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id="toc-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Question from T24boo (21:57, 30 September 2024)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>A cookie for your Teahouse tea.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li 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Sections older than <b>180 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span>.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)-20240521203600"><span id="Question_from_ScienceOcean_.2820:36.2C_21_May_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)-20240521203600"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> (20:36, 21 May 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)-20240521203600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Question from ScienceOcean (20:36, 21 May 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScienceOcean-20240521203600-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)"></span>Hello, when editing STEM-based articles, what are common mistakes you look for? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScienceOcean" title="User talk:ScienceOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-ScienceOcean-20240521203600-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScienceOcean-20240521203600-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScienceOcean-20240521203600-Question_from_ScienceOcean_(20:36,_21_May_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900-ScienceOcean-20240521203600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> Wow, that's a difficult question! My work falls into several parts but is typically limited to chemistry, so not all of STEM. I don't focus on fixing "mistakes", although I'll correct obvious ones if I see them. Rather, I look for stuff that's missing and for my area of interest this tends to be information on the synthesis of drugs and agrochemicals. As a result, I have drawn dozens of reaction diagrams (see <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Michael_D._Turnbull&ilshowall=1">my Commons contributions</a>) and added sections to many articles to add these, including some such as <a href="/wiki/Nirmatrelvir" title="Nirmatrelvir">nirmatrelvir</a> and <a href="/wiki/Tirzepatide" title="Tirzepatide">tirzepatide</a> which get lots of views. In terms of fixing actual mistakes, my "best" contribution was probably to <a href="/wiki/Naftalan_oil" title="Naftalan oil">Naftalan oil</a>: take a look at the Talk Page of that article at the point I was called in by another editor to sort out what "reliable sources" had got wrong! You are a new editor, so my main advice when you contribute to STEM articles or draft new ones would be to focus on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">secondary</a> sources, i.e. reviews. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">primary</a> literature on STEM is overwhelming and Wikipedia's role has to be to provide an accessible account that will stand for the long term, not to leap on the latest just-published paper that might or might not be consequential. If you haven't yet done so, please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EXPERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EXPERT">WP:EXPERT</a> for more background. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900-ScienceOcean-20240521203600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900-ScienceOcean-20240521203600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900-ScienceOcean-20240521203600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> I found <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter/So,_you%27ve_decided_to_write_about_physics_and/or_mathematics_on_Wikipedia" title="User:XOR'easter/So, you've decided to write about physics and/or mathematics on Wikipedia">this essay</a> today, which gives an excellent introduction to contributing in maths or physics. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240522114900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScienceOcean-20240527204900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300"></span>Thank you so much Michael!</dd> <dd>This helps a lot! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScienceOcean" title="User talk:ScienceOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-ScienceOcean-20240527204900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScienceOcean-20240527204900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScienceOcean-20240527204900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240524215300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears-20240530171000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears-20240530171000"></span>The things you stumble on when you start writing about teddy bears<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears-20240530171000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: The things you stumble on when you start writing about teddy bears"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://wjactv.com/news/local/attorneys-demand-new-trial-state-college-man-convicted-decades-old-murder-centre-pennsylvania-court-gun-shooting-slaying-roommate-prison-appeal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears"></span>[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000-The_things_you_stumble_on_when_you_start_writing_about_teddy_bears"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000"></span>So that's the person now suspected of killing Kinser's son? I can see another draft "Murder of ..... " coming soon! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530171000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530181300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500"></span>The person jailed for the murder for 40 years. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530181300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530181300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240530181300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500"></span>Have not had any more comments from Maggiehohle, perhaps she was disappointed with the article. Oh well. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240530173500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100"></span>I don't know what she expected, given the limitations of the sources. I was also disappointed she has not uploaded any photos either of her mother or of the toys, given that I mentioned on her talkpage she could do that as a useful further contribution. It will be interesting to have her reaction to the DYK.... <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610082100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500"></span>Ah yes, <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works#I_know_that_I_can't_upload_photos_of_copyrighted_art_(like_paintings_and_statues),_but_what_about_toys?_Toys_are_not_art!">COM:TOYS</a>, no problems there, just prove to VRT that she owns the copyright of the toys, assuming she does. To be fair, some people are not comfortable with the "giving it to the world" aspect of donating pictures, and she might have a commercial interest. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240610144500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500"></span>Interesting. I hadn't realised that my teddy was copyrighted and hence could not be included in a photo with me! That doesn't explain the lack of a decent photo of Kinser, although the one you found is good as it shows her with her creations and the "fair use" extends to the toys shown. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240610152500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000"></span>Yeah, I think they can be considered "incidental" or something.</dd> <dd>Off-topic, but <a href="/wiki/File:Independence_Monument_(27506800337).jpg" title="File:Independence Monument (27506800337).jpg">File:Independence Monument (27506800337).jpg</a> is an amusing example of bonkers copyright rules, see the licensing. From it follows <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2023_January_24#File:Independence_Monument_(27506800337),_cropped,_%C3%84rtogrul.jpg">[2]</a> that it's <i>not</i> ok to make croppings of the statues on en-WP, those are "art", not "architecture". Apparently South Africa has similar FOP-laws. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611090000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400"></span>Actually, I'm very aware of the lack of FOP in South Africa. I collect <a href="/wiki/Shona_sculpture" class="mw-redirect" title="Shona sculpture">Shona sculpture</a> and wanted to upload some of my photos to Commons: you can find lots of permanent displays of the sculpture in places like <a href="/wiki/Kirstenbosch_National_Botanical_Garden" title="Kirstenbosch National Botanical Garden">Kirstenbosch National Botanical Garden</a>. If SA had the same rules as the UK, such uploads would have been fine but, sadly, they don't.... <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611091400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611094200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600"></span>That is sad. I don't suppose there's a helpful en-WP loop-hole? <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Somalia#Treaty_status">COM:SOMALIA</a> is somewhat easier to deal with. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611094200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611094200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240611094200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240611092600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)-20240609054100"><span id="Question_from_Kasirson_.2805:40.2C_9_June_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)-20240609054100"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kasirson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kasirson (page does not exist)">Kasirson</a> (05:40, 9 June 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)-20240609054100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Question from Kasirson (05:40, 9 June 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kasirson-20240609054100-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)"></span>Hello sir, can you please guide me with your knowledge i am fast learner i have a question , how can i add new information about marketing most used and unknown for a lot of individuals? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kasirson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kasirson (page does not exist)">Kasirson</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kasirson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Kasirson (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Kasirson-20240609054100-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kasirson-20240609054100-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kasirson-20240609054100-Question_from_Kasirson_(05:40,_9_June_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240609122700-Kasirson-20240609054100"></span>Hello @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kasirson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kasirson (page does not exist)">Kasirson</a> and welcome to Wikipedia. This is not a marketing platform, unlike social media or websites for individual companies. Under the Terms and Conditions here, you must declare anyone who <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">pays you</a> to contribute to articles. Please read that linked page and also the one about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">promotion</a>. If you have further questions after doing that, you can ask me here in this thread. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240609122700-Kasirson-20240609054100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240609122700-Kasirson-20240609054100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240609122700-Kasirson-20240609054100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_kitten_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_kitten_for_you!-20240618153200"><span id="A_kitten_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_kitten_for_you!-20240618153200"></span>A kitten for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_kitten_for_you!-20240618153200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: A kitten for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnKnownrNone-20240618153200-A_kitten_for_you!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Iris_cat.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Iris_cat.jpg/150px-Iris_cat.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="104" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Iris_cat.jpg/225px-Iris_cat.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Iris_cat.jpg/300px-Iris_cat.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1155" data-file-height="797"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>You are a Good Wikipedian and for that i reward you a cute cat, enjoy sir! </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:UnKnownrNone" title="User:UnKnownrNone">UnKnownrNone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnKnownrNone" title="User talk:UnKnownrNone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-UnKnownrNone-20240618153200-A_kitten_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnKnownrNone-20240618153200-A_kitten_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnKnownrNone-20240618153200-A_kitten_for_you!"></span> <br style="clear: both;"/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)-20240619104200"><span id="Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_.28app.29_.2810:42.2C_19_June_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)-20240619104200"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tecla_Pharise&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tecla Pharise (page does not exist)">Tecla Pharise</a> on <a href="/wiki/Hinge_(app)" title="Hinge (app)">Hinge (app)</a> (10:42, 19 June 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)-20240619104200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Question from Tecla Pharise on Hinge (app) (10:42, 19 June 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)"></span>Hello How do I edit? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tecla_Pharise&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tecla Pharise (page does not exist)">Tecla Pharise</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tecla_Pharise" title="User talk:Tecla Pharise">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200-Question_from_Tecla_Pharise_on_Hinge_(app)_(10:42,_19_June_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240619105100-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tecla_Pharise&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tecla Pharise (page does not exist)">Tecla Pharise</a> and welcome to Wikipedia. You have just made your first edit here on my Talk Page and editing the Hinge article will be done in a similar way. We have two lots of editing software, so-called "source" and "visual". General guidance on editing is given at <a href="/wiki/H:EDIT" class="mw-redirect" title="H:EDIT">this linked page</a> and more specific details about the "visual" editor which newcomers usually prefer are <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_editing_with_VisualEditor/1" title="Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor/1">at this page</a>.In a moment, I'll add a set of other links to your own Talk Page, so you'll have them handy as you find your way around. It is worth saying that whenever you add content to an article, you should <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">cite</a> the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">source</a> from which you have paraphrased the information. Good luck. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240619105100-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240619105100-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240619105100-Tecla_Pharise-20240619104200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)-20240623213300"><span id="Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_.2821:33.2C_23_June_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)-20240623213300"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Mustafa_fryad" title="User:Mustafa fryad">Mustafa fryad</a> (21:33, 23 June 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)-20240623213300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Question from Mustafa fryad (21:33, 23 June 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213300-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)"></span>How to crate web --<a href="/wiki/User:Mustafa_fryad" title="User:Mustafa fryad">Mustafa fryad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mustafa_fryad" title="User talk:Mustafa fryad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213300-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213300-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213300-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:33,_23_June_2024)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)-20240623213700"><span id="Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_.2821:37.2C_23_June_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)-20240623213700"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Mustafa_fryad" title="User:Mustafa fryad">Mustafa fryad</a> (21:37, 23 June 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)-20240623213700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Question from Mustafa fryad (21:37, 23 June 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)"></span>How to do a website --<a href="/wiki/User:Mustafa_fryad" title="User:Mustafa fryad">Mustafa fryad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mustafa_fryad" title="User talk:Mustafa fryad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700-Question_from_Mustafa_fryad_(21:37,_23_June_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240624100500-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mustafa_fryad" title="User:Mustafa fryad">Mustafa fryad</a> I'm not sure from your questions what it is you wish to do. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia where people like you and me can contribute to its articles in English or in many other languages. It is not a type of <a href="/wiki/Social_media" title="Social media">social media</a> and contributors are expected to restrict themselves to providing information relevant to building the content. That includes, if you wish, describing on your own userpage what your interests are and how you intend to contribute (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UPYES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UPYES">this page for more details</a>). In a moment, I'll add some links to your Talk Page that should help you understand how things work here. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240624100500-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240624100500-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240624100500-Mustafa_fryad-20240623213700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser-20240630000200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser-20240630000200"></span>DYK for Charleen Kinser<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser-20240630000200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: DYK for Charleen Kinser"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20240630000200-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2024/June#30_June_2024" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June">30 June 2024</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Charleen_Kinser" title="Charleen Kinser">Charleen Kinser</a></b></i>, which you recently nominated. The fact was <i>... that a mail-order catalogue offered a "Rocking Ram" toy, designed by <b><a href="/wiki/Charleen_Kinser" title="Charleen Kinser">Charleen Kinser</a></b>, for <span style="white-space: nowrap">US$1,600</span> in 1985?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Charleen_Kinser" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Charleen Kinser">Template:Did you know nominations/Charleen Kinser</a>. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2024-06-20&end=2024-07-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Charleen_Kinser">Charleen Kinser</a>)</small>, and the hook may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics/Monthly_DYK_pageview_leaders" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders">the statistics page</a> after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Z1720-20240630000200-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20240630000200-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20240630000200-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300-Z1720-20240630000200"></span>Good job! My new project is <a href="/wiki/Draft:Earl_Bailly" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Earl Bailly">Draft:Earl Bailly</a>, which I found on Commons helpdesk. I was a little surprised when the proposer/creator said <i>"The Lunenburg Art Gallery Society are the stewards of the Earl Bailly collection and legacy and have been offered funding for an educational space, but the donors expect a wikipedia page to exist before funding can be granted."</i>, but thought "Screw that, I'll do it anyway." <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300-Z1720-20240630000200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300-Z1720-20240630000200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300-Z1720-20240630000200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300"></span>You seem to have good sources for that draft: I added a couple more on its Talk Page. It would be great if you could find a source for the Wiki-blackmail and name-and-shame the donors in the article! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630110300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200"></span>Please misunderstand me correctly! I put a cc-template at <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Earl_Bailly" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft talk:Earl Bailly">Draft talk:Earl Bailly</a>, but there was no WP-blackmail <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Nova_Scotia/Members&oldid=1231124234">[3]</a>, just newbie-ness. And unusual that a technically PAID new arrival suggests a subject that should OBVIOUSLY (imo) be on WP. I feel no particular need to name and shame potential donors to an art gallery in Nova Scotia. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630112200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">... but the donors expect...</q> sounds pretty close to me ;-) Let me know if you want me to nominate again at DYK when you are finished, assuming you don't fancy the QPQ. Meanwhile I'm deep into sorting <a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks#2.101.54.127" title="User talk:DMacks"> this mess</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240630113400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100"></span>TBH, I'm a little disappointed neither Maggiehohle or Artstoronto could be arsed to make an after-publishing response. Oh well. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240630124100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400"></span>Yup, there are a couple of essays about that, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DNER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DNER">WP:DNER</a>. Mystifies me, too. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712200400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700"></span>Changing topic, I found another recurring "error" to pick at: If you autofill a source like <i>Vogue</i>, it will often fill the company name <a href="/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast" title="Condé Nast">Condé Nast</a> as author name, which looks quite plausible, but it's wrong, and the articles often has actual author names. See <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22last%3DNast%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1">[4]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600"></span>I've never used autofill like that: my main go-to is the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander" title="Wikipedia:Citation expander">WP:Citation expander</a> working from doi or isbn, which is usually excellent. I'm not sure who else might be interested in Wikignoming the <i>Vogue</i> one. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712205600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712210500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200"></span>I might get onto it. In other news, a dog I started a WP-article about met a king:<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@dailymailroyals/video/7387093066445802784">[5]</a>. Second time I know that he (the dog) has been mentioned in <i>The Times</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712210500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712210500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240712210500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712210200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700"></span>Seems I whined a little too early. Apparently some people don't look at WP-talkpages for weeks at a time. Very odd and possibly illegal. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mamadancer&diff=prev&oldid=1235400698">This</a> is the norm in the global population, surely. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712201700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100"></span>As <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">DJT</a> would say: ".... so sad". <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719095100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900"></span>As <a href="/wiki/Judith_Newman" title="Judith Newman">Judith Newman</a> said, "Wikipedia may be a haven for cranks and pedants, but it is also amazing." <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719101900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800"></span>Indeed. I chanced across <a href="/wiki/July_2024_global_cyber_outages" class="mw-redirect" title="July 2024 global cyber outages">July 2024 global cyber outages</a> this morning and it gives a much better account than my local news, with a global overview. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719103800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000"></span>And on the other foot, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_July_14#File:Shooting_of_Donald_Trump.webp">[6]</a>. Like you said, it keeps us off thee streets. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400"></span>I saw the discussion about that image, and considered it a clear "delete" based on policy. However, I didn't bother to comment as I am pretty sure that will be the outcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719104400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719110000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700"></span>I was skimming it and was prepared to say <b>delete</b>, but at that point there was an article about the photo which had been <b>kept</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719110000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719110000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719110000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719105700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719105800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000"></span>And thanks for pointing me to that scary story, I haven't checked news in hours. Apparently my laptop doesn't have crowdstrike software, I checked my folders per the WP-article. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719105800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719105800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20240719105800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240719104000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241104075800-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser"></span>I don't look at the DYK-section very often (unless I'm in it), but today I saw "that the Puck Building has two gilded Pucks?" and to my surprise I realized that I actually <i>did know that!</i> From editing <a href="/wiki/Puck_(A_Midsummer_Night%27s_Dream)" title="Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream)">Puck</a>, I think. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241104075800-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241104075800-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241104075800-DYK_for_Charleen_Kinser"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)-20240709140700"><span id="Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_.2814:07.2C_9_July_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)-20240709140700"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimo_wrytes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimo wrytes (page does not exist)">Nimo wrytes</a> (14:07, 9 July 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)-20240709140700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Question from Nimo wrytes (14:07, 9 July 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)"></span>Hello Michael, </p><p>i wanted to know how i will start with the writing of articles, would i have to write it on A word doc and upload it here or there is an option for me to do all my work here? </p><p>thank you for reading --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimo_wrytes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimo wrytes (page does not exist)">Nimo wrytes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nimo_wrytes" title="User talk:Nimo wrytes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700-Question_from_Nimo_wrytes_(14:07,_9_July_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimo_wrytes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimo wrytes (page does not exist)">Nimo wrytes</a> and welcome to Wikipedia! There are two pieces of software that allow editing here. They are called the "source" editor and the "visual" editor. Both are explained in a tutorial you can find at the link <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Help:Introduction</a>. Neither works quite like <a href="/wiki/Microsoft_Word" title="Microsoft Word">Microsoft Word</a> but the visual editor is nearest to that and is usually what beginners choose. Long-standing contributors like me often to migrate to the source editor because it provides more control. Wikipedia editing in source has a "Preview" feature where you can see what the output will look like before you save it. My advice would be to start slowly by making small edits to existing articles (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TASKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TASKS">WP:TASKS</a> or your homepage tab for suggestions). In a moment I'll add a set of links to your Talk Page which you should read if you are serious about writing for the encyclopaedia. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500-Nimo_wrytes-20240709140700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500"></span>hello Mr. Michael</dd> <dd>thank you for your advice and the tutorial links. and i apologies for the late reply. thank you again <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimo_wrytes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimo wrytes (page does not exist)">Nimo wrytes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nimo_wrytes" title="User talk:Nimo wrytes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240710105500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712152900-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimo_wrytes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimo wrytes (page does not exist)">Nimo wrytes</a> No apology necessary. As you will learn <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TIND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TIND">there is no deadline here</a>. We are mostly volunteers, doing stuff as and when we can. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712152900-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712152900-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240712152900-Nimo_wrytes-20240712133700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)-20240717213400"><span id="Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_.2821:34.2C_17_July_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)-20240717213400"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rfhu3u3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rfhu3u3 (page does not exist)">Rfhu3u3</a> on <a href="/wiki/Target_Canada" title="Target Canada">Target Canada</a> (21:34, 17 July 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)-20240717213400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Question from Rfhu3u3 on Target Canada (21:34, 17 July 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)"></span>I can't post --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rfhu3u3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rfhu3u3 (page does not exist)">Rfhu3u3</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rfhu3u3" title="User talk:Rfhu3u3">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400-Question_from_Rfhu3u3_on_Target_Canada_(21:34,_17_July_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240718100000-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rfhu3u3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rfhu3u3 (page does not exist)">Rfhu3u3</a> You are currently indefinitely blocked. The <b>only</b> way to proceed now if you wish to continue contributing to en:Wikipedia is to use the process described at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:APPEAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:APPEAL">WP:APPEAL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240718100000-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240718100000-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240718100000-Rfhu3u3-20240717213400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)-20240726153900"><span id="Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_.2815:39.2C_26_July_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)-20240726153900"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RageAgainstDarkness&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RageAgainstDarkness (page does not exist)">RageAgainstDarkness</a> (15:39, 26 July 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)-20240726153900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Question from RageAgainstDarkness (15:39, 26 July 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)"></span>Hello👋 how do I add a footnote that an acronym is unclear? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RageAgainstDarkness&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RageAgainstDarkness (page does not exist)">RageAgainstDarkness</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RageAgainstDarkness&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:RageAgainstDarkness (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900-Question_from_RageAgainstDarkness_(15:39,_26_July_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240726160800-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RageAgainstDarkness&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RageAgainstDarkness (page does not exist)">RageAgainstDarkness</a> I assume this relates to your recent comment on <a href="/wiki/Talk:International_Atomic_Energy_Agency" title="Talk:International Atomic Energy Agency">Talk:International Atomic Energy Agency</a>. You are doing the right thing: there are hundreds of editors who have that article and its Talk Page on their <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WATCHLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WATCHLIST">WP:WATCHLIST</a>. Give it a couple of days and you should get replies. We do have templates that can be added to articles to indicate missing information (e.g. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cn" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cn">cn</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for "citation needed"). My own way to deal with this sort of thing is to put the acronym into the Wikipedia search bar which takes me to <a href="/wiki/INES" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="INES">INES</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISAMBIGUATION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISAMBIGUATION">WP:DISAMBIGUATION</a> page from which I infer the correct meaning in this context is <a href="/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale" title="International Nuclear Event Scale">International Nuclear Event Scale</a>. I would then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIKILINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIKILINK">WP:WIKILINK</a> the acronym where it occurs in the IEAE article. That's much better than tagging the acronym as being unclear and leaving it to others to clean up. Wikilinks are perfect for this. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240726160800-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240726160800-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240726160800-RageAgainstDarkness-20240726153900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)-20240812002800"><span id="Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_.2800:28.2C_12_August_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)-20240812002800"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verified.heartbreakerz (page does not exist)">Verified.heartbreakerz</a> (00:28, 12 August 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)-20240812002800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Question from Verified.heartbreakerz (00:28, 12 August 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)"></span>I'm looking to create a Wikipedia article for 'The Heartbreakerz,' a vocal group I'm part of as the songwriter. I want to make sure I structure the article properly and use reliable sources. Could you guide me on how to present the group's background and our work to meet Wikipedia's standards please? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verified.heartbreakerz (page does not exist)">Verified.heartbreakerz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verified.heartbreakerz" title="User talk:Verified.heartbreakerz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800-Question_from_Verified.heartbreakerz_(00:28,_12_August_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verified.heartbreakerz (page does not exist)">Verified.heartbreakerz</a> I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I would judge based on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&oldid=1239858298">your brief draft</a> that there is essentially zero chance of an article about your group meeting Wikipedia's policy of only describing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NMUSIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NMUSIC">notable musical groups</a>. We even have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GARAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GARAGE">humorous take on the situation you are in</a> which you should read. Articles here are based on finding and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">neutrally summarizing</a> sources meeting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">these criteria</a>, which simply don't exist currently. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240812002800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700"></span>Apologies i did remove it all, i will restore it and you can tell me what u think of it i thought I put too much information. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verified.heartbreakerz (page does not exist)">Verified.heartbreakerz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verified.heartbreakerz" title="User talk:Verified.heartbreakerz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240812115700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verified.heartbreakerz (page does not exist)">Verified.heartbreakerz</a> Please <i>don't</i> restore the draft on your userpage. That's not the correct place for drafts and if you put it there an admin is likely to have it speedily deleted. Instead, you can follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">WP:AfC</a> process (click that link for details). My strong advice is that should first work on existing articles on Wikipedia, so you learn a bit about our standards. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813120800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813121900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200"></span>Yes but i did it yesterday i didnt need to restore it, i saved it yesterday on a word document i just written it out exactly from there on my laptop within Wikipedia standards. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verified.heartbreakerz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verified.heartbreakerz (page does not exist)">Verified.heartbreakerz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verified.heartbreakerz" title="User talk:Verified.heartbreakerz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813121900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813121900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Verified.heartbreakerz-20240813121900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813121200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Review_help_for_potential_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Review_help_for_potential_article-20240812215300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Review_help_for_potential_article-20240812215300"></span>Review help for potential article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Review_help_for_potential_article-20240812215300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Review help for potential article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScienceOcean-20240812215300-Review_help_for_potential_article"></span>Hey Michael! I'm not sure if you can see my sandbox, but I've been trying my hand at drafting an article. </p><p>I have been trying to comply with the wikipedia guidelines for drafting, and was wondering if you or anyone else could take a quick look and provide feedback? </p><p>Thank you! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScienceOcean" title="User talk:ScienceOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-ScienceOcean-20240812215300-Review_help_for_potential_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScienceOcean-20240812215300-Review_help_for_potential_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScienceOcean-20240812215300-Review_help_for_potential_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400-ScienceOcean-20240812215300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> We have the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">WP:AfC</a> process (see that link) which is designed to help new editors by providing feedback on draft articles. I'm not a reviewer there but can comment on your sandbox, which anyone can look at if they wish. Like many new authors, you have written the draft <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARD">backwards</a>: that is, you've written what you know and then tried to find sources to back up what you say. Read the link and you'll see why it is much easier to write the other way round. You have also failed the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">neutrality</a> policy by saying things like <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">[Dr. Chen has] a passion for community well-being</q>. I don't understand why the draft has so much about Chen and relatively little about the May 9th day(s) since its inception. I would have expected more press coverage from Taiwan either commenting that people had taken part or explaining why they had not. One of the sources you have not yet used is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOG">blog</a>, which is no use for Wikipedia. You need about three decent sources meeting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">these criteria</a>: reliable, independent and with significant coverage. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400-ScienceOcean-20240812215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400-ScienceOcean-20240812215300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400-ScienceOcean-20240812215300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScienceOcean-20240814184700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400"></span>I see! Thank you so much for your comments and feedback! This was extremely helpful. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScienceOcean" title="User talk:ScienceOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-ScienceOcean-20240814184700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScienceOcean-20240814184700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScienceOcean-20240814184700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240813103400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScienceOcean-20240814185300-ScienceOcean-20240814184700"></span>Quick follow up question...there is actually a lot more press coverage regarding Taiwan No-Alcohol day, but it's Taiwanese press and the articles are in Mandarin. Would these still be useful to use as citations, or would I have to translate them? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScienceOcean" title="User talk:ScienceOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-ScienceOcean-20240814185300-ScienceOcean-20240814184700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScienceOcean-20240814185300-ScienceOcean-20240814184700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScienceOcean-20240814185300-ScienceOcean-20240814184700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240815120900-ScienceOcean-20240814185300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceOcean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScienceOcean (page does not exist)">ScienceOcean</a> No you don't have to translate them, other than for yourself to confirm what they say, of course! See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONENG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONENG">WP:NONENG</a> for details. Best practice is to include translations for the titles and any quotes. See <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_news" title="Template:Cite news">cite news</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for example, which has parameters that allow for translations, using <code>|trans-quote=</code> etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240815120900-ScienceOcean-20240814185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240815120900-ScienceOcean-20240814185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240815120900-ScienceOcean-20240814185300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)-20240813183000"><span id="Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_.2818:30.2C_13_August_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)-20240813183000"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:TheCloudGuy44" title="User:TheCloudGuy44">TheCloudGuy44</a> (18:30, 13 August 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)-20240813183000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Question from TheCloudGuy44 (18:30, 13 August 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)"></span>Hello there, </p><p>I drafted a finalised Wikipedia page on my father, Brigadier General Al Faroque Siddiquee. I don't know how to upload it; could you please help me with that? --<a href="/wiki/User:TheCloudGuy44" title="User:TheCloudGuy44">TheCloudGuy44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheCloudGuy44" title="User talk:TheCloudGuy44">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000-Question_from_TheCloudGuy44_(18:30,_13_August_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240814111400-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheCloudGuy44" title="User:TheCloudGuy44">TheCloudGuy44</a> I can see the draft at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Al_Faroque_Siddiquee" title="Draft:Al Faroque Siddiquee">Draft:Al Faroque Siddiquee</a> and you have followed the correct process by using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">articles for creation</a>. However, this draft has been "declined" by one of the reviewers who specialize in looking at drafts. I can see why they did that. The main reason is that you have not adhered to our policy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">explained here</a>. All articles on living people must have full inline citations so that every single fact is backed up by a source, so that readers can <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verify</a> the content is correct. To take one trivial example, how are readers to confirm his DOB? You may know this to be true but Wikipedia doesn't base articles on what its authors know, it bases everything on reliable published sources. In a biography, if you can't find a published source, it can't be included. We have an essay about this: we call it the problem of writing drafts <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARDS">WP:BACKWARDS</a>.</dd> <dd>All this will be bad news for you but I suspect that, with considerable further work, you can create an acceptable draft. Your father is likely to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBIO">wikinotable</a> owing to his rank and service, which I assume will have meant that he will have been written about <b>at length</b> in <b>reliable sources</b> that are <b>independent of him</b> such as mainstream newspapers. If that isn't the case, then forget about developing the draft. Note that anything written by colleges etc. he has been associated with fails the independence test and can only be used for limited information in the way <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF">described here</a>. That can include backing up information such as DOB. Get back to me here in this thread if you have further questions. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240814111400-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240814111400-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240814111400-TheCloudGuy44-20240813183000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)-20240815175100"><span id="Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_.2817:51.2C_15_August_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)-20240815175100"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Samuel_Malasa_Banda&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Samuel Malasa Banda (page does not exist)">Samuel Malasa Banda</a> (17:51, 15 August 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)-20240815175100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Question from Samuel Malasa Banda (17:51, 15 August 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)"></span>Hello, I am trying to publish an entry on Wikipedia. Can you help me review it? Thank you --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Samuel_Malasa_Banda&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Samuel Malasa Banda (page does not exist)">Samuel Malasa Banda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuel_Malasa_Banda" title="User talk:Samuel Malasa Banda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100-Question_from_Samuel_Malasa_Banda_(17:51,_15_August_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240816103500-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Samuel_Malasa_Banda&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Samuel Malasa Banda (page does not exist)">Samuel Malasa Banda</a> I assume this is about <a href="/wiki/User:Samuel_Malasa_Banda/sandbox" title="User:Samuel Malasa Banda/sandbox">User:Samuel Malasa Banda/sandbox</a>. This can never become an article in the encyclopaedia because it has no cited sources. Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTSOCIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTSOCIAL">not a social media site</a>. It has strict <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">policies about biographies of living people</a> and you need to read that link to see why your draft is unacceptable. If you wish to continue writing about Kachale, then see the advice at <a href="/wiki/H:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="H:YFA">this page</a>. However, I would strongly advise you to forget about creating a new article until you have made contributions to existing articles and have learned about Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:P%26G" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:P&G">policies and guidelines</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240816103500-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240816103500-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240816103500-Samuel_Malasa_Banda-20240815175100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)-20240820155100"><span id="Question_from_ElielKwesi_.2815:51.2C_20_August_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)-20240820155100"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ElielKwesi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ElielKwesi (page does not exist)">ElielKwesi</a> (15:51, 20 August 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)-20240820155100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Question from ElielKwesi (15:51, 20 August 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ElielKwesi-20240820155100-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)"></span>I also prefer technology, engineering and science related topics cus that's my niche so how do I go about them here --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ElielKwesi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ElielKwesi (page does not exist)">ElielKwesi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElielKwesi" title="User talk:ElielKwesi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-ElielKwesi-20240820155100-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ElielKwesi-20240820155100-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ElielKwesi-20240820155100-Question_from_ElielKwesi_(15:51,_20_August_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900-ElielKwesi-20240820155100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ElielKwesi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ElielKwesi (page does not exist)">ElielKwesi</a> Welcome to Wikipedia! There are many ways to contribute and for science topics we have a number of Projects that specialise in working collaboratively. For example, I'm a retired organic chemist, so I joined the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHEM">WP:CHEM</a> group: see that link for details. All our projects are listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROJDIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROJDIR">WP:PROJDIR</a>, so you should find something to interest you. Not all Projects are very active, however. My strong advice is to start by contributing to existing articles before you try to write one of your own. That's much more difficult than it may appear before you get to know your way around. In a moment, I'll add some useful links to your own Talk Page. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900-ElielKwesi-20240820155100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900-ElielKwesi-20240820155100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900-ElielKwesi-20240820155100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-102.176.94.154-20240820174800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900"></span>Is there any tech community available id like to start there <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.176.94.154" title="Special:Contributions/102.176.94.154">102.176.94.154</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:102.176.94.154" title="User talk:102.176.94.154">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-102.176.94.154-20240820174800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-102.176.94.154-20240820174800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-102.176.94.154-20240820174800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240821100100-102.176.94.154-20240820174800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ElielKwesi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ElielKwesi (page does not exist)">ElielKwesi</a> Don't forget to log in before editing! I've already pointed you to the various communities. Technology is at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Science#Technology" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science">WP:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science#Technology</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240821100100-102.176.94.154-20240820174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240821100100-102.176.94.154-20240820174800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240821100100-102.176.94.154-20240820174800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Porphyrinogen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Porphyrinogen-20240820170000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Porphyrinogen-20240820170000"></span>Porphyrinogen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Porphyrinogen-20240820170000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Porphyrinogen"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smokefoot-20240820170000-Porphyrinogen"></span>These tetrahydroporphyrins are precursors to porphyrins. Oxidative dehydrogenation, I am pretty sure. Not only synthetically but in PPIX biosynthesis. But maybe my info is wrong? </p><p>PS sorry about trying to get your advice on borane business, I was looking for some outside advice from organic perspective. --<a href="/wiki/User:Smokefoot" title="User:Smokefoot">Smokefoot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smokefoot" title="User talk:Smokefoot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Smokefoot-20240820170000-Porphyrinogen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smokefoot-20240820170000-Porphyrinogen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smokefoot-20240820170000-Porphyrinogen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100-Smokefoot-20240820170000"></span>Yes, you are correct in general. However, in the case of <a href="/wiki/Meso-octamethylporphyrinogen" class="mw-redirect" title="Meso-octamethylporphyrinogen"><i>meso</i>-octamethyporphyrinogen</a> all the methylene groups which link the pyrrole rings are fully substituted, hence there is no H atom which can be removed to allow the oxidation. Of course, these ketone-derived types are entirely synthetic: all natural porphyrinogens have CH<sub>2</sub> linkages between the pyrroles. No problem about pinging me on the boranes; I'm happy to add my 2p-worth on any chemistry topic but in that case I really know close to nothing! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100-Smokefoot-20240820170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100-Smokefoot-20240820170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100-Smokefoot-20240820170000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smokefoot-20240820172700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100"></span>Ok, thanks. Yes, Me8 derivative is a rock, apparently. --<a href="/wiki/User:Smokefoot" title="User:Smokefoot">Smokefoot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smokefoot" title="User talk:Smokefoot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Smokefoot-20240820172700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smokefoot-20240820172700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smokefoot-20240820172700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240820171100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Substructure_search" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Substructure_search-20240829000300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Substructure_search-20240829000300"></span>DYK for Substructure search<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Substructure_search-20240829000300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: DYK for Substructure search"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BorgQueen-20240829000300-DYK_for_Substructure_search"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2024/August#29_August_2024" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/August">29 August 2024</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Substructure_search" title="Substructure search">Substructure search</a></b></i>, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was <i>... that you can search Wikipedia or <a href="/wiki/ZINC_database" title="ZINC database">a database</a> of more than 37 billion <a href="/wiki/Chemical_compound" title="Chemical compound">compounds</a> <b><a href="/wiki/Substructure_search" title="Substructure search">by substructure</a></b>?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Substructure_search" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Substructure search">Template:Did you know nominations/Substructure search</a>. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2024-08-19&end=2024-09-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Substructure_search">Substructure search</a>)</small>, and the hook may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics/Monthly_DYK_pageview_leaders" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders">the statistics page</a> after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:BorgQueen" title="User:BorgQueen">BorgQueen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BorgQueen" title="User talk:BorgQueen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-BorgQueen-20240829000300-DYK_for_Substructure_search" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BorgQueen-20240829000300-DYK_for_Substructure_search"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BorgQueen-20240829000300-DYK_for_Substructure_search"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)-20240829194500"><span id="Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_.2819:45.2C_29_August_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)-20240829194500"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:McDee_Pit" title="User:McDee Pit">McDee Pit</a> on <a href="/wiki/Kemin_Industries" title="Kemin Industries">Kemin Industries</a> (19:45, 29 August 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)-20240829194500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Question from McDee Pit on Kemin Industries (19:45, 29 August 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McDee_Pit-20240829194500-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)"></span>Hello, how do I edit someone's article without removing efficient information? --<a href="/wiki/User:McDee_Pit" title="User:McDee Pit">McDee Pit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McDee_Pit" title="User talk:McDee Pit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-McDee_Pit-20240829194500-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McDee_Pit-20240829194500-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McDee_Pit-20240829194500-Question_from_McDee_Pit_on_Kemin_Industries_(19:45,_29_August_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200-McDee_Pit-20240829194500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:McDee_Pit" title="User:McDee Pit">McDee Pit</a> Welcome to Wikipedia. The <a href="/wiki/Kemin_Industries" title="Kemin Industries">Kemin Industries</a> article, as it is today, is truly terrible. Its only sources are the company's own writings, which tends to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">promotional</a>. Proper encyclopaedia articles are meant to be base on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">sources like these</a>. If you can find such sources, then please do paraphrase them in your own words and add the information, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">citing them as you go</a>. In a moment I'll add some links to your Talk Page which you should find helpful but for now, please read the pages I've linked here. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200-McDee_Pit-20240829194500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200-McDee_Pit-20240829194500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200-McDee_Pit-20240829194500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McDee_Pit-20240830202500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200"></span>Thank you, I will do so. <a href="/wiki/User:McDee_Pit" title="User:McDee Pit">McDee Pit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McDee_Pit" title="User talk:McDee Pit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-McDee_Pit-20240830202500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McDee_Pit-20240830202500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McDee_Pit-20240830202500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240830100200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_query" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_query-20240902074000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_query-20240902074000"></span>DYK query<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_query-20240902074000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: DYK query"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Balance_person-20240902074000-DYK_query"></span>Hello! A long time ago you very kindly helped me to begin to understand how to do the DYK process, (it was for my first bio and was for Carol Van Strum.) I have done it very rarely since but am trying with a nomination for Mary Jane Patterson at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mary_Jane_Patterson" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Jane Patterson">Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Jane Patterson</a>. It is about to be timed out and is stuck! Some editors whose queries have been responded to now seem to have delayed or disappeared. I am unsure if I can do anything about it? Would you mind having a peep and letting me know if I should/can do anything? Thanks if you can. I am, as you may remember (!) pretty inexperienced at anything except from actually editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Balance_person" title="User:Balance person">Balance person</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Balance_person" title="User talk:Balance person">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Balance_person-20240902074000-DYK_query" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Balance_person-20240902074000-DYK_query"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Balance_person-20240902074000-DYK_query"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700-Balance_person-20240902074000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Balance_person" title="User:Balance person">Balance person</a> It seems clear to me that your hook <b>alt0b</b> is fine: I wouldn't have been happy with the others, for the obvious reason that Patterson is a slave's daughter, not usually a relationship described as a "descendant". It looks as though Sionk was the person who first reviewed the DYK and I don't understand why they haven't approved it given <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know_nominations%2FMary_Jane_Patterson&diff=1243239130&oldid=1243054565">their comment on 31 August</a>. I'll ask them on their Talk Page in a moment. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700-Balance_person-20240902074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700-Balance_person-20240902074000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700-Balance_person-20240902074000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902110400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700"></span>See Sionk's Talk page. <s>You assumed the DYK wasn't approved but it already had been and now awaits the next steps in the process. It will go from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKNA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKNA">WP:DYKNA</a> to one of the prep areas when one of the people who specialize in DYK move it forward. There is no deadline now, so you can relax and don't need to make further comment on the template page unless someone pings you there</s>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902110400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902110400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902110400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Balance_person-20240902111900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700"></span>Oh I see! I thought from <a href="/wiki/User:Narutolovehinata5" title="User:Narutolovehinata5"><b>Narutolovehinata5</b></a> comment on 30 August that something else had to happen. Sorry to have caused you extra work! Thanks so much for helping. <a href="/wiki/User:Balance_person" title="User:Balance person">Balance person</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Balance_person" title="User talk:Balance person">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Balance_person-20240902111900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Balance_person-20240902111900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Balance_person-20240902111900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902103700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100-Balance_person-20240902111900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Balance_person" title="User:Balance person">Balance person</a> Actually, it may be me who isn't understanding the issue, since I haven't run into it before. According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKTIMEOUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKTIMEOUT">WP:DYKTIMEOUT</a> the two months refers to the hook being promoted from the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKNA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKNA">WP:DYKNA</a> page to one of the preparation areas. There are details about this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKPBR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKPBR">WP:DYKPBR</a> and the 2-month rule is "at the discretion of reviewers and promoters". I guess I could promote the hook myself, after making checks it is properly sourced in the article. However, I've never done that and am a bit hazy as to the process. Your nomination is currently the first one to be seen on the DYKNA page, so I imagine it will get attention from the experts who do most promotions fairly soon. If I were you, I would politely ask on BorgQueen's Talk Page if she would do the promotion. She is very active admin and works a lot at DYK (she promoted my latest one: see above here on my Talk Page). <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100-Balance_person-20240902111900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100-Balance_person-20240902111900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100-Balance_person-20240902111900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Balance_person-20240902155200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100"></span>Thanks for the idea, Mike. I have popped a message on her talk page. Fingers crossed! <a href="/wiki/User:Balance_person" title="User:Balance person">Balance person</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Balance_person" title="User talk:Balance person">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Balance_person-20240902155200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Balance_person-20240902155200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Balance_person-20240902155200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Balance_person-20240903080900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100"></span>Thanks again. It has now been promoted! <a href="/wiki/User:Balance_person" title="User:Balance person">Balance person</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Balance_person" title="User talk:Balance person">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Balance_person-20240903080900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Balance_person-20240903080900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Balance_person-20240903080900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240902114100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ok_sounds_excellent" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ok_sounds_excellent-20240904170900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ok_sounds_excellent-20240904170900"></span>Ok sounds excellent<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ok_sounds_excellent-20240904170900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Ok sounds excellent"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240904170900-Ok_sounds_excellent"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240904170900-Ok_sounds_excellent" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240904170900-Ok_sounds_excellent"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240904170900-Ok_sounds_excellent"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500-T24boo-20240904170900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> You're welcome. The homepage tab you can see when looking at your userpage should now have my name associated with it. If it doesn't, please let me know. Incidentally, I am unlikely to respond if you ask <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AT24boo&diff=1243890439&oldid=1241376238">in this sort of language</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500-T24boo-20240904170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500-T24boo-20240904170900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500-T24boo-20240904170900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240904202800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500"></span>Ok I’ll start by saying I didn’t know how to do things in my talkpage fair enough. I didn’t even realize that because my mentor went mia and I’ve been trying so hard to edit and so I did teach myself so I got me a few bots, did my manuals and here we are today. <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240904202800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240904202800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240904202800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240904171500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)-20240905223800"><span id="Question_from_T24boo_.2822:38.2C_5_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)-20240905223800"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> (22:38, 5 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)-20240905223800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Question from T24boo (22:38, 5 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240905223800-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)"></span>Good day, If I see a revert rollback war going on what are the steps to take. I just did one for the first time and I hope I did it correctly. Can you check if you have time. Ty --<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240905223800-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240905223800-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240905223800-Question_from_T24boo_(22:38,_5_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200-T24boo-20240905223800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> I assume this is about <a href="/wiki/Flag_of_Tennessee" title="Flag of Tennessee">Flag of Tennessee</a>, which I see has now been semi-protected by an admin. As far as I can tell, you and Nemov did all the right things: calling in your edit summaries for discussion (by the IP) on the Talk Page and warning them on their Talk Page. I haven't tracked down how the page protection happened but I assume it was via <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>. A couple of learning points. The IP was removing content and providing reasons in edit summaries (however dubious) for doing so. Hence that's not strictly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VANDALISM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VANDALISM">WP:VANDALISM</a>, since the IP just disagreed about the content and we have a policy explained at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a>, which says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.</q> So, strictly speaking, it was for you and Nemov to justify why the material should be in the article, rather than for the IP to justify why it should not be. Also, in these circumstances (content dispute, not vandalism) you must be very careful not to break the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">the three-revert rule</a> or you may end up being blocked. It is always important to keep a cool head in these circumstances! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200-T24boo-20240905223800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200-T24boo-20240905223800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200-T24boo-20240905223800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240906133600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200"></span>Ok good and thank you for explaining it in detail so I can learn for the future. Have a good day. <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240906133600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240906133600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240906133600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240906101200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Helping_Hand_Barnstar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Helping_Hand_Barnstar-20240906223800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Helping_Hand_Barnstar-20240906223800"></span>Helping Hand Barnstar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Helping_Hand_Barnstar-20240906223800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Helping Hand Barnstar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20240906223800-Helping_Hand_Barnstar"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Barnstar-abc.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Barnstar-abc.png/100px-Barnstar-abc.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="86" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Barnstar-abc.png 1.5x" data-file-width="126" data-file-height="108"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Helping Hand Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;"><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG/115px-BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG" decoding="async" width="115" height="86" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG/173px-BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG/230px-BoneChinaTassemitgr%C3%BCnemTee.JPG 2x" data-file-width="3072" data-file-height="2304"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>This Helping Hand Barnstar is awarded to Michael D. Turnbull, for his mentoring and helping new users, and devotion to responding to user questions at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tea_house" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Tea house">Tea house</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">Help desk</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject">WikiProjects</a>. Your efforts do not go unnoticed; keep up the good work! (And here's some refreshment while you're busy helping!) <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Mathglot-20240906223800-Helping_Hand_Barnstar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20240906223800-Helping_Hand_Barnstar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20240906223800-Helping_Hand_Barnstar"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20-20240908124600"><span id="Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_.2812:46.2C_8_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20-20240908124600"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Starfire_Royaltin" title="User:Starfire Royaltin">Starfire Royaltin</a> on <a href="/wiki/User:Starfire_Royaltin" title="User:Starfire Royaltin">User:Starfire Royaltin</a> (12:46, 8 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20-20240908124600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Question from Starfire Royaltin on User:Starfire Royaltin (12:46, 8 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20"></span>How to make a article about myself --<a href="/wiki/User:Starfire_Royaltin" title="User:Starfire Royaltin">Starfire Royaltin</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Starfire_Royaltin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Starfire Royaltin (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600-Question_from_Starfire_Royaltin_on_User:Starfire_Royaltin_(12:46,_8_September_20"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908132000-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Starfire_Royaltin" title="User:Starfire Royaltin">Starfire Royaltin</a> Welcome to Wikipedia. Starting out on Wikipedia for the purpose of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">promoting yourself</a> by means of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAPHY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAPHY">autobiography</a> is a <i>really bad idea</i>, for the reasons explained at those links. Your userpage says that your claim to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBIO">wikinotability</a> (the main criterion we use to determine if an article here is worthwhile) is that you are a YouTuber. We have a few articles on <a href="/wiki/Category:American_YouTubers" title="Category:American YouTubers">American YouTubers</a> but they were mainly written by someone other than the subject. If you <i>insist</i> on trying to write about yourself, then you must use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">WP:AfC</a> process, after declaring your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">conflict of interest</a>. Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">this advice</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARDS">this essay</a> and prepare to be disappointed. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908132000-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908132000-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908132000-Starfire_Royaltin-20240908124600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)-20240908144400"><span id="Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_.2814:44.2C_8_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)-20240908144400"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> on <a href="/wiki/Volume_Gallery" title="Volume Gallery">Volume Gallery</a> (14:44, 8 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)-20240908144400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Question from T24boo on Volume Gallery (14:44, 8 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240908144400-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)"></span>Volume Gallery - how do I get the template to allow me to enter citations. It just turns blue in visual mode. If that makes sense. --<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240908144400-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240908144400-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240908144400-Question_from_T24boo_on_Volume_Gallery_(14:44,_8_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400-T24boo-20240908144400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> I rarely use the visual editor but there is a tutorial about it at <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Help:Introduction</a>. As I understand it, for citations, you have to click the cursor at the point you wish to place a citation and then click the "Cite" part of the toolbar, which should create a tiny blue square where your cursor is. Then you click into the menu, which offers a "Manual" tab at first, with options including Website, Book etc. Obviously, you have to have in mind the citation you are going to use and be able to follow through the options as you go. An alternative method that some people use is to develop the citation in your sandbox and then copy/paste it into the article (using the source editor). <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400-T24boo-20240908144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400-T24boo-20240908144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400-T24boo-20240908144400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240908150000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400"></span>Ok I tried it but it’s like the template won’t allow me to place the link where I need it to go. I’d probably have to practice in my sandbox yes I’m thinking too. I had them ready to go last night than I had to end because I got stuck on that but thank you again! <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240908150000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240908150000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240908150000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240908145400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)-20240911152700"><span id="Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_.28Nashville.29_.2815:27.2C_11_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)-20240911152700"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johnny Rosen (Nashville) (page does not exist)">Johnny Rosen (Nashville)</a> (15:27, 11 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)-20240911152700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Question from Johnny Rosen (Nashville) (15:27, 11 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)"></span>Want to start a page about me and my career in the entertainment industry --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johnny Rosen (Nashville) (page does not exist)">Johnny Rosen (Nashville)</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Johnny Rosen (Nashville) (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700-Question_from_Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)_(15:27,_11_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johnny Rosen (Nashville) (page does not exist)">Johnny Rosen (Nashville)</a> Welcome to Wikipedia. Starting out on Wikipedia for the purpose of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">promoting yourself</a> by means of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAPHY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAPHY">autobiography</a> is a <i>really bad idea</i>, for the reasons explained at those links. If you are an entertainer then you would need to meet the relevant <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NARTIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NARTIST">wikinotability</a> guidelines. If you <i>insist</i> on trying to write about yourself, then you must use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">WP:AfC</a> process, after declaring your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">conflict of interest</a>. Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">this advice</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARDS">this essay</a> and prepare to be disappointed. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400-Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)-20240911152700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.89.9.217-20240911171600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400"></span>thanks</dd> <dd>I have no idea how this works</dd> <dd>. Not self promotion only documented info. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.89.9.217" title="Special:Contributions/68.89.9.217">68.89.9.217</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.89.9.217&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.89.9.217 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-68.89.9.217-20240911171600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.89.9.217-20240911171600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.89.9.217-20240911171600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911171400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911173000-68.89.9.217-20240911171600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johnny_Rosen_(Nashville)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johnny Rosen (Nashville) (page does not exist)">Johnny Rosen (Nashville)</a> Please ensure you log in before commenting or your edits will be assigned to your IP address, not your username. If you have sources that are <b>independent</b> of you (so not based on interviews), and <b>cover you in some detail</b> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources such as mainstream newspapers</a>, then there is a chance you could draft an autobiography but we experienced editors know that such ventures almost always fail. I can't stop you trying! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911173000-68.89.9.217-20240911171600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911173000-68.89.9.217-20240911171600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240911173000-68.89.9.217-20240911171600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)-20240912170000"><span id="Question_from_JusticeForChester_.2817:00.2C_12_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)-20240912170000"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JusticeForChester&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JusticeForChester (page does not exist)">JusticeForChester</a> (17:00, 12 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)-20240912170000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Question from JusticeForChester (17:00, 12 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JusticeForChester-20240912170000-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)"></span>Hello. How may I best edit Mike Shinodas page to express him being a rape apologist and a supporter of scientology? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JusticeForChester&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JusticeForChester (page does not exist)">JusticeForChester</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JusticeForChester" title="User talk:JusticeForChester">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-JusticeForChester-20240912170000-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JusticeForChester-20240912170000-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JusticeForChester-20240912170000-Question_from_JusticeForChester_(17:00,_12_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240912173600-JusticeForChester-20240912170000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JusticeForChester&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JusticeForChester (page does not exist)">JusticeForChester</a> Short answer: very, very carefully and with solid backup from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. You are a new editor and I see that your suggestion has already been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVERT">reverted</a> by another editor. We have a process <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">described at this link</a> which explains how to proceed (via discussion on the article's Talk Page). Note that at every stage you need to abide by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">policy for biographies of living people</a>. Please read all the pages I have linked before you make further edits. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240912173600-JusticeForChester-20240912170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240912173600-JusticeForChester-20240912170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240912173600-JusticeForChester-20240912170000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)-20240926212800"><span id="Question_from_Cubichedetampa_.2821:28.2C_26_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)-20240926212800"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Cubichedetampa" title="User:Cubichedetampa">Cubichedetampa</a> (21:28, 26 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)-20240926212800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Question from Cubichedetampa (21:28, 26 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)"></span>Found an artist during the Cuban revolution that is not mentioned on Wikipedia. Although there isn't much about her online. Any suggestions? --<a href="/wiki/User:Cubichedetampa" title="User:Cubichedetampa">Cubichedetampa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cubichedetampa" title="User talk:Cubichedetampa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800-Question_from_Cubichedetampa_(21:28,_26_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240927100800-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cubichedetampa" title="User:Cubichedetampa">Cubichedetampa</a> Sources do not have to be online provided they are published (e.g. books). See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OFFLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OFFLINE">WP:OFFLINE</a>. My main concern would be that you are a newcomer here and won't understand yet the requirements for a new article, especially on what we call <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NARTIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NARTIST">notability</a>. I suggest you gain some experience editing existing articles, e.g. on other topics that interest you and after a while read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">the detailed advice</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240927100800-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240927100800-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20240927100800-Cubichedetampa-20240926212800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)-20240930215700"><span id="Question_from_T24boo_.2821:57.2C_30_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)-20240930215700"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> (21:57, 30 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)-20240930215700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Question from T24boo (21:57, 30 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T24boo-20240930215700-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)"></span>Hello, I have a question about expanding an article I’m working on that has controversial elements. Ive researched and its validity is confirmed. --<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-T24boo-20240930215700-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T24boo-20240930215700-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T24boo-20240930215700-Question_from_T24boo_(21:57,_30_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241001094000-T24boo-20240930215700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:T24boo" title="User:T24boo">T24boo</a> Go ahead and ask the question but don't expect me to guess which article! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241001094000-T24boo-20240930215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241001094000-T24boo-20240930215700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241001094000-T24boo-20240930215700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea." data-mw-thread-id="h-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea.-20241007174400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea.-20241007174400"></span>A cookie for your Teahouse tea.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea.-20241007174400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: A cookie for your Teahouse tea."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matticusmadness-20241007174400-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea."></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Choco_chip_cookie.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/150px-Choco_chip_cookie.png" decoding="async" width="150" height="104" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/225px-Choco_chip_cookie.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/300px-Choco_chip_cookie.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="557"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>I completely forgot to mention how folks with COI should look into getting edits done. Thanks for covering the gap. Maybe I don’t have the policy knowledge for the Teahouse yet, huh? <br/> By the way, <a class="external text" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Cashin&diff=prev&oldid=1249939056">Paddy did the edit anyway</a>… <a href="/wiki/User:Matticusmadness" title="User:Matticusmadness">MM</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matticusmadness" title="User talk:Matticusmadness"><span style="color: brown">(Give me info.)</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matticusmadness" title="Special:Contributions/Matticusmadness"><sup style="color: Orange">(Victories)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Matticusmadness-20241007174400-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matticusmadness-20241007174400-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matticusmadness-20241007174400-A_cookie_for_your_Teahouse_tea."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections-20241017142700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections-20241017142700"></span>Question about Draft:Northeastern University Archives and Special Collections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections-20241017142700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Question about Draft:Northeastern University Archives and Special Collections"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gmecagni-20241017142700-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections"></span>Hello! I followed you here from the Teahouse. I included your suggestions and added a whole bunch of additional research projects that University Archives and Special Collections has contributed to. Would it be possible for you to take a look again? TIA! </p><p><a href="/wiki/Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections" title="Draft:Northeastern University Archives and Special Collections">Draft:Northeastern University Archives and Special Collections</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gmecagni" title="User:Gmecagni">Gmecagni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gmecagni" title="User talk:Gmecagni">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gmecagni-20241017142700-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gmecagni-20241017142700-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gmecagni-20241017142700-Question_about_Draft:Northeastern_University_Archives_and_Special_Collections"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300-Gmecagni-20241017142700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gmecagni" title="User:Gmecagni">Gmecagni</a> The main hurdle in getting a draft accepted is usually to show <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>, which is what our Teahouse discussion was about. Listing individual collections, all cited to the archive, doesn't help with that. If you like, I'll happily chop away at the draft to reduce it to what I think the reviewers will be looking for. Among other things, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEAD">lead part of the article</a> should be summarizing the rest and not be the only place where you mention the subject strengths, for example. Indicate here in this thread if you would like me to work on the draft (probably mainly on Sunday next owing to other commitments) and I'll do so. Expect to see large parts cut but bear in mind that these can be added back later as they remain in the edit history. The idea is to make it obvious to the reviewer what confirms the notability. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300-Gmecagni-20241017142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300-Gmecagni-20241017142700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300-Gmecagni-20241017142700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gmecagni-20241017145700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300"></span>I welcome your assistance with chopping the article down to size if you think that would help. I will try to add more descriptive language about subject stregnths in additional sections as well. Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Gmecagni" title="User:Gmecagni">Gmecagni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gmecagni" title="User talk:Gmecagni">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gmecagni-20241017145700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gmecagni-20241017145700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gmecagni-20241017145700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017144300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000-Gmecagni-20241017145700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gmecagni" title="User:Gmecagni">Gmecagni</a> OK, I'll give it a go on Sunday. One problem is that your academic sources (all the doi numbers) are written by staff at the library, as far as I can tell. That makes them not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. Incidentally, we have a gadget called the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander" title="Wikipedia:Citation expander">WP:Citation expander</a> that can format citations correctly given just the doi, or you can use <a class="external text" href="https://citer.toolforge.org/">citer.toolforge</a> which can take a wide range of inputs. That saves a lot of time! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000-Gmecagni-20241017145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000-Gmecagni-20241017145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000-Gmecagni-20241017145700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gmecagni" title="User:Gmecagni">Gmecagni</a> I've re-jigged the article and explained what I've done in edit summaries and a comment at the top of the draft. If you are happy with my version, or after you have made further tweaks, I suggest you re-submit it. I think it should pass the review now. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241017152000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gmecagni-20241021112900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900"></span>Thank you so much! I truly appreciate your help navigating the Wikisphere's notability requirement. I've resubmitted the article and fingers crossed it will pass muster this time. <a href="/wiki/User:Gmecagni" title="User:Gmecagni">Gmecagni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gmecagni" title="User talk:Gmecagni">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Gmecagni-20241021112900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gmecagni-20241021112900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gmecagni-20241021112900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241020165900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192700"></span>Invitation to participate in a research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Invitation to participate in a research"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241023192700-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. 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As my edit summary said, my trusty old Pesticide Manual says Zytron was a Dow trade name for <a href="/w/index.php?title=O-(2,4-dichlorophenyl)_O-methyl_N-(propan-2-yl)phosphoramidothioate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="O-(2,4-dichlorophenyl) O-methyl N-(propan-2-yl)phosphoramidothioate (page does not exist)">DMPA</a><span class="noprint" style="font-size:85%; font-style: normal;"> [<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q27280764#sitelinks-wikipedia" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/Q27280764"><span title=""O-(2,4-dichlorophenyl) O-methyl N-(propan-2-yl)phosphoramidothioate" in other languages">Wikidata</span></a>]</span>, which is already listed and exists in Wikidata, although there's no article for it. Similarly, penoxalin is a WSSA former name for <a href="/wiki/Pendimethalin" title="Pendimethalin">pendimethalin</a>, which we already have. I don't think we should be adding multiple names for the same thing but maybe you believe there are other chemicals which now get called these names, in which case I'd like to know what they are. BTW I meant to thank you for adding the new herbicide articles you recently created. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400-RustyOldShip-20241104141500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400-RustyOldShip-20241104141500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400-RustyOldShip-20241104141500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104143100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400"></span>For penoxalin, see top of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://sitem.herts.ac.uk/aeru/ppdb/en/Reports/511.htm">PPDB</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104143100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104143100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104143100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RustyOldShip-20241104143500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400"></span>My apologies. I knew DMPA was another name for Zytron, but I thought Zytron was a common name as I saw it in scientific papers. Likewise penoxalin, (With an X?) though I had was not aware of any other names and thought it was also a common name.</dd> <dd>I have been somewhat surprised that wikipedia editors rarely add textual content to the articles I make, it seems they mostly nitpick at formatting or sources (though in fairness they are usually correct and their edits are usually improvements) when from my perspective it is so easy to write text, I look up scientific articles and add anything that seems interesting. I note that your name often appears after edits adding chembox identifiers and other properties. <a href="/wiki/User:RustyOldShip" title="User:RustyOldShip">RustyOldShip</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RustyOldShip" title="User talk:RustyOldShip">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-RustyOldShip-20241104143500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RustyOldShip-20241104143500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RustyOldShip-20241104143500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104142400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104145000-RustyOldShip-20241104143500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RustyOldShip" title="User:RustyOldShip">RustyOldShip</a> Yes, penoxalin with an "x": I had a typo here which I corrected just as you were preparing your reply! The list of herbicides was created by me using the common names listed by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bcpcpesticidecompendium.org/class_herbicides.html">BCPC mainly</a> (who use DMPA) but interestingly <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/9299">pubchem</a> have Zytron. I tend to rely on BCPC and PPDB as being the specialists in current pesticide ISO Common Names, with the Pesticide Manual as backup. I have a long history in pesticide research at ICI / Zeneca Ag and Syngenta, and have contributed to or started many articles here. My userpage lists some of them. I hope you'll be happy to self-revert on penoxalin, especially as I see you edited recently at <a href="/wiki/Pendimethalin" title="Pendimethalin">pendimethalin</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104145000-RustyOldShip-20241104143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104145000-RustyOldShip-20241104143500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241104145000-RustyOldShip-20241104143500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation" data-mw-thread-id="h-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation-20241105004200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation-20241105004200"></span>From Augnablik: disappeared conversation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation-20241105004200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: From Augnablik: disappeared conversation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241105004200-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation"></span>It seems that our conversation at my Talk page has evaporated — hopefully just temporarily. What I see as the most recent activity is a lot of new notifications that threads I originated in the Teahouse have been archived. </p><p>😮 <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241105004200-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241105004200-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241105004200-From_Augnablik:_disappeared_conversation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100-Augnablik-20241105004200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> That would indeed have been unusual, if not unprecedented! I can still see them at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik#Search-and-replace" title="User talk:Augnablik">User talk:Augnablik#Search-and-replace</a> and in <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions" title="Special:Contributions">Special:Contributions</a>. As usual, new notifications on your Talk Page have gone in below the old ones, just as this thread is now at the bottom of my Talk Page and earlier threads are in time sequence starting with the oldest at the top. I have auto-archiving set up here, which you may need at some point. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100-Augnablik-20241105004200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100-Augnablik-20241105004200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100-Augnablik-20241105004200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241105120900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100"></span>Sorry, I see that you're right … I so rarely engage in conversation on my Talk page that what I was doing was looking for a message thread under your name, not the one I used when I posted in the Teahouse (Search-and-replace).</dd> <dd>Okay, back to my User page, chastened.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241105120900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241105120900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241105120900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105113100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400-Augnablik-20241105120900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> On any standard browser, <code>Ctrl-F</code> can be used for search and if you had searched for "Mike" on your Talk Page, you would have found the thread. That sort of search is often useful on long pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400-Augnablik-20241105120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400-Augnablik-20241105120900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400-Augnablik-20241105120900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241105124800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400"></span>Thanks, good to know. I'm beginning to see that many standard word processing tricks — like Ctrl F — also work in Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241105124800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241105124800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241105124800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241105124400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nice_work" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nice_work-20241112153700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nice_work-20241112153700"></span>Nice work<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nice_work-20241112153700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Nice work"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joyous!-20241112153700-Nice_work"></span>I'm impressed with all you've done with <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pandaman23" title="User talk:Pandaman23">this new editor</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!">Joyous!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joyous!" title="User talk:Joyous!">Noise!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Joyous!-20241112153700-Nice_work" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joyous!-20241112153700-Nice_work"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joyous!-20241112153700-Nice_work"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241112155800-Joyous!-20241112153700"></span>I'm glad you approve. It was good to get a positive response from them, although that's yet to be translated into their editing of the articles in question. Many of the newcomers who ask mentoring questions here on my Talk Page end up abandoning Wikipedia, which is disappointing. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241112155800-Joyous!-20241112153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241112155800-Joyous!-20241112153700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241112155800-Joyous!-20241112153700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113004000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113004000"></span>Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113004000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113004000-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>I recently invited you to take a survey about administration on Wikipedia. If you haven’t yet had a chance, there is still time to participate– we’d truly appreciate your feedback. The survey is anonymous and should take about 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia_Administrator_Recruitment,_Retention,_and_Attrition" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition">Meta page</a> and view its <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator_Experiences_2024_Survey_Privacy_Statement" class="extiw" title="wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement">privacy statement</a>. </p><p>Take the survey <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/962595?lang=en">here</a></b>. </p><p>Kind Regards, </p><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Research" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research">WMF Research Team</a> </p><p><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User:BGerdemann (WMF)">BGerdemann (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User talk:BGerdemann (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113004000-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a> </bdi><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113004000-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113004000-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Did_you_receive_…" data-mw-thread-id="h-Did_you_receive_…-20241115135000"><span id="Did_you_receive_.E2.80.A6"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Did_you_receive_…-20241115135000"></span>Did you receive …<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Did_you_receive_…-20241115135000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Did you receive …"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241115135000-Did_you_receive_…"></span>Hi, Mike. I’m not sure you received what I sent yesterday because I got confused where to send it: your talk page or mine, as we hadn't connected in awhile since you agreed to take a look at my "knotty problem." During that time, I was writing it up for you. </p><p>I think the message might be only on my own user page, though I did start off with an "@" for you. </p><p>In addition to my question of whether you got it, here's another. I'd expected to send you an attachment of my word-processed write-up but found I couldn't. Then I realised this was probably a security protection, but I wasn't at all happy with how it looked when just pasted into a message. It wouldn't be easy for you to read. Is there any way around this so you can see it formatted as in the original? <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241115135000-Did_you_receive_…" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241115135000-Did_you_receive_…"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241115135000-Did_you_receive_…"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700-Augnablik-20241115135000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> I've been busy but was just about to take a look at your userpage in detail after the ping. There is no way to format a Word document into Wikipedia but you could send it to me via email. To start, there's a link on the right-hand "tools" menu on user pages and user talk page. My userpage also includes a specific userbox with the relevant link. The only downside from your point of view is that your own email address will be included the first message you send me. Initially, you won't be able to attach the Word document but when I reply from my personal email then we can exchange standard messages that do include attachments. Go ahead now if you want to do this. Otherwise, I'll reply on your Talk pge, which is the best place for the conversation since most of what you have written is already there. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700-Augnablik-20241115135000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700-Augnablik-20241115135000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700-Augnablik-20241115135000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241115154600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700"></span>Glad to know that the message reached you yesterday — it verifies for me that writing "@" with a user name works, apparently no matter what the source page is.</dd> <dd>If you can really read the squished-up message, fine. Otherwise, I'd be happy to go the e-mail route, as you suggested with the addition of one additional step to make the attachment possible. I knew my e-address would be visible. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241115154600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241115154600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241115154600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115142700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115155400-Augnablik-20241115154600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> You should just now have an alert saying I sent you an email! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115155400-Augnablik-20241115154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115155400-Augnablik-20241115154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241115155400-Augnablik-20241115154600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)-20241118192500"><span id="Question_from_Augnablik_.2819:25.2C_18_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)-20241118192500"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (19:25, 18 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)-20241118192500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Question from Augnablik (19:25, 18 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241118192500-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)"></span>It was a joy to find myself adopted by you! We've already had many back-and-forths elsewhere, so this won't be my first question to you, just in our new roles. Nor will it be a practical one. But now that I know you and other assigned mentors often have 600 mentees at the same time, I can't resist asking you this: </p><p>Although I understand that not all assigned mentees continue the relationship with their mentors, how do mentors keep up with even those who do stay involved? What a balancing act you and your colleagues must engage in ... especially someone like you who's admitted to enjoying problem solving! :0 --<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241118192500-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241118192500-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241118192500-Question_from_Augnablik_(19:25,_18_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241119123400-Augnablik-20241118192500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> I don't find it difficult to keep in contact with the 1% or so of editors who I become engaged with. 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119004000-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119004000-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119004000-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)-20241120145700"><span id="Protected_article_editing_.28originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)-20241120145700"></span>Protected article editing (originally brought up at the Help Desk)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)-20241120145700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Protected article editing (originally brought up at the Help Desk)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241120145700-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)"></span>Hi, "Dad." After getting the suggestion you made at the Help Desk about how I could use a template to edit the doner kebab article, I went back to it to see if I could succeed with what you said. Frankly, I was confused by the directions, just as I had been by what another editor had suggested a little earlier. At any rate, when I re-read the alert message at the top of the article about its protected status, it turned out that autoconfirmed editors <i>could</i> edit after all — and so I was able to edit as usual. </p><p>This afternoon's adventure reinforced for me what a long way I have to go in using templates. Maybe the use of templates is one of Wiki's special tools for which there's a video (I hope). </p><p>It occurred to me to mention to you (perhaps needlessly) that even though you've adopted me, if I have a question like the one on editing a protected article that seems of more general interest for many other editors besides just me, it would make more sense for me to post at the Help Desk or even the Teahouse. That way I can save more individual questions I might have to ask you on your Talk page at another time. </p><p>And (spoiler alert): there is indeed another knotty problem plea for help coming up. But probably not for several weeks, as it will take awhile to get it written up for you. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241120145700-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241120145700-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241120145700-Protected_article_editing_(originally_brought_up_at_the_Help_Desk)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500-Augnablik-20241120145700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> Yes, in general the Teahouse and Help desk will not only be faster but is where people can search archives to find the Q&A long-term. I'm still waiting for you to begin working on the biography article related to your previous knotty problems, where I've suggested the way forward! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500-Augnablik-20241120145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500-Augnablik-20241120145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500-Augnablik-20241120145700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241120154000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500"></span>I'd like to go back over what I've already done with Ramendra's article and work on it some more in light of some of the things you brought up before I share it with you. The reason I put it aside for some months was not only because I felt I'd hit a wall on it but also because I was involved in a major move — which is just winding down. Also I have several other ongoing responsibilities to keep on top of and at the moment, I'm recuperating from a week of flu. Back in the saddle soon on Ramendra.ms article.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241120154000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241120154000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241120154000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120150500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)-20241120225000"><span id="Question_from_AAkurya_.2822:50.2C_20_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)-20241120225000"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:AAkurya" title="User:AAkurya">AAkurya</a> (22:50, 20 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)-20241120225000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Question from AAkurya (22:50, 20 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AAkurya-20241120225000-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)"></span>An haife ni a garin kurya Madaro cikin iyalin (Idris abdullahi kurya) Abubakar Idris Kurya da Hauwa’u Suleiman. Sunka haifeni sun mini tarbiyya da nunamani ƙauna, sun kuma koya mani darajar gaskiya, haƙuri, da kuma taimakon juna. Mun yi girma a cikin al’adun Hausawa, inda aka koya mana mu girmama manya, mu yi aiki tukuru, kuma mu riƙe addininmu. Waɗannan dabi’u sun zama ginshiƙi na rayuwata. Na gode wa Allah da ya ba ni damar samun irin wannan tarbiyya da kuma dama ta samun ilimi. Ina kuma gode wa iyayena da dangina da suka yi min goyon baya. Zan ci gaba da kokari na domin na yi wa al’ummata da ƙasata hidima.” --<a href="/wiki/User:AAkurya" title="User:AAkurya">AAkurya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AAkurya" title="User talk:AAkurya">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-AAkurya-20241120225000-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AAkurya-20241120225000-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AAkurya-20241120225000-Question_from_AAkurya_(22:50,_20_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121114200-AAkurya-20241120225000"></span>(Google translate): I was born in the town of Kurya Madaro in the family of (Idris Abdullahi Kurya) Abubakar Idris Kurya and Hauwa'u Suleiman. They gave birth to me and showed me love, they also taught me the value of honesty, patience, and helping each other. We grew up in the Hausa culture, where we were taught to respect elders, work hard, and keep our religion. These values have become the foundation of my life. I thank God for giving me the opportunity to have this kind of upbringing and the opportunity to get education. I also thank my parents and family for supporting me. I will continue my efforts because I have served my community and my country.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AAkurya" title="User:AAkurya">AAkurya</a> This is the English Wikipedia. I think you want the Hausa Wikipedia <a class="external text" href="https://ha.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page">at this link</a>. Wannan shine Wikipedia na Ingilishi. Ina tsammanin kuna son Wikipedia <a class="external text" href="https://ha.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page">ta Hausa a wannan mahadar</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121114200-AAkurya-20241120225000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121114200-AAkurya-20241120225000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121114200-AAkurya-20241120225000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)-20241121181900"><span id="Question_from_Augnablik_.2818:19.2C_21_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)-20241121181900"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (18:19, 21 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)-20241121181900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Question from Augnablik (18:19, 21 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241121181900-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)"></span>When we signed up as editors, did we answer a question about our sex? I ask because I don't see that information at my User page, but someone recently referred to me with the correct personal pronoun and I wondered how he would know which to use. --<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241121181900-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241121181900-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241121181900-Question_from_Augnablik_(18:19,_21_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWikiToby-20241121204500-Augnablik-20241121181900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> Random passerby here. When registering, you have the optional choice of setting your preferred gender. I don't really know how the system works either, but I personally have a user script that tells me the pronouns of everyone I see based on that setting, so that editor could have a similar tool. <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikiToby" title="User:TheWikiToby">TheWikiToby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikiToby" title="User talk:TheWikiToby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-TheWikiToby-20241121204500-Augnablik-20241121181900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWikiToby-20241121204500-Augnablik-20241121181900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWikiToby-20241121204500-Augnablik-20241121181900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600-TheWikiToby-20241121204500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> These preferences are usually set globally for your accounts right across Wikipedia, at <a href="/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences" title="Special:GlobalPreferences">Special:GlobalPreferences</a>. Many long-term editors use the gadget <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POP">navigation popups</a> set at <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets</a>. Once activated, that gadget does lots of useful things, including giving the gender and number of edits etc of users when you hover the cursor over their name. Hence I readily see that <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikiToby" title="User:TheWikiToby">TheWikiToby</a> uses male pronouns and has 4517 edits to date. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600-TheWikiToby-20241121204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600-TheWikiToby-20241121204500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600-TheWikiToby-20241121204500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241122102600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600"></span>Well, I just don't recall ever answering a M-F question … that's why I wondered how that other editor knew (other than divine wisdom). <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Augnablik-20241122102600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241122102600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241122102600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122101600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I now understand a bit more about this as of today, <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikiToby" title="User:TheWikiToby">TheWikiToby</a>. There's a global preceded setting we can use to display information about ourselves. No extra tool needed. I'm a little shaky on how to get to those settings and I'd have to go back and try to get to the same command one more time before I could claim full confidence. But at least I have the general idea. UPDATE:Found it again. Here's the simple way: you can just click on your icon top right and when you see a menu, click on Preferences. Then just look down for the one that has GENDER in its title and go to work.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241123121800"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241123121800"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241123121800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:top;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perfectodefecto-20241123121800-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:GoodHeartBarnstar.png" class="mw-file-description" title="The Good Heart Barnstar"><img alt="The Good Heart Barnstar" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/GoodHeartBarnstar.png/100px-GoodHeartBarnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/GoodHeartBarnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="120" data-file-height="115"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Good Heart Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;">You're so kind and supportive. —<a href="/wiki/User:Perfectodefecto" title="User:Perfectodefecto"><span style="color: black">𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perfectodefecto" title="User talk:Perfectodefecto">𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#c-Perfectodefecto-20241123121800-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perfectodefecto-20241123121800-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perfectodefecto-20241123121800-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&oldid=1259110432">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull&oldid=1259110432</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 November 2024, at 12:18<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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