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class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Recumbent_trail-a-bike" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Recumbent_trail-a-bike"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Recumbent trail-a-bike</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Who_is_the_doctor?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Who_is_the_doctor?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Who is the doctor?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Who_is_the_doctor?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Recumbent bicycle with drive shaft powertrain.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Open_frame" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Open_frame"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Open frame</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Open_frame-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-About_Bicycle_wheel_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#About_Bicycle_wheel_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>About Bicycle wheel article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Question about your BikeLean picture.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>DYK for Baisikeli Ugunduzi</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ross_(bicycles)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ross_(bicycles)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Ross (bicycles)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ross_(bicycles)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Working_Bikes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Working_Bikes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Working Bikes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Working_Bikes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Undo on my manufacturer entry</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-sram_dual_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#sram_dual_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>sram dual drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-sram_dual_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Articles not yet on Wikipedia.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-unicycling_taskforce" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#unicycling_taskforce"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>unicycling taskforce</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-unicycling_taskforce-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_automated_file_description_generation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_automated_file_description_generation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Notification of automated file description generation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_automated_file_description_generation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Revert_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Revert_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Revert article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Revert_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-File:Euler's_disk.png" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#File:Euler's_disk.png"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>File:Euler's_disk.png</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-File:Euler's_disk.png-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Happy_that_I_have_found_you" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Happy_that_I_have_found_you"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Happy that I have found you</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Definition of Saddle is incorrect.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Flying_Eggs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Flying_Eggs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Flying Eggs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Flying_Eggs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Countersteering" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Countersteering"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Countersteering</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Countersteering-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-and_dennnnn?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#and_dennnnn?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>and dennnnn?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-and_dennnnn?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Two-mass-skate_bicycle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Two-mass-skate_bicycle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Two-mass-skate bicycle</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Interview_for_The_Signpost" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Interview_for_The_Signpost"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Interview for <i>The Signpost</i></span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Interview_for_The_Signpost-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unicycle_Links" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unicycle_Links"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Unicycle Links</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Unicycle_Links-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Edit warrring on wheel truing stand</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ownership_issues,_much?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ownership_issues,_much?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Ownership issues, much?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ownership_issues,_much?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-fat_bike_entry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#fat_bike_entry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>fat bike entry</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-fat_bike_entry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Humber_(bicycle)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Humber_(bicycle)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Humber (bicycle)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Humber_(bicycle)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#an_article_you_might_be_interested_in"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>an article you might be interested in</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Eugène_Meyer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Eugène_Meyer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Eugène Meyer</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Eugène_Meyer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unassisted_Bike_Animation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unassisted_Bike_Animation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Unassisted Bike Animation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Link in German / English for Gearbox bicycle / Tretlagerschaltung</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit-a-thon_in_Madison"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Edit-a-thon in Madison</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Treadmill" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Treadmill"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Treadmill</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Treadmill-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Dini's_Surface" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Dini's_Surface"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Dini's Surface</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Dini's_Surface-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Popular_Science" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Popular_Science"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Popular Science</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Popular_Science-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>File:Tilting ball variator.jpg to Commons?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thomas_Humber" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thomas_Humber"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Thomas Humber</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thomas_Humber-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Merger_discussion_for_Bixi_(company)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Merger_discussion_for_Bixi_(company)"> <div 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Such help makes a better place for everyone. Thank you. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt" title="User:MichaelQSchmidt"><span style="color:blue;">Schmidt,</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelQSchmidt" title="User talk:MichaelQSchmidt"><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-MichaelQSchmidt-2011-04-18T06:03:00.000Z-Award_of_Good_Fellowship" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MichaelQSchmidt-2011-04-18T06:03:00.000Z-Award_of_Good_Fellowship"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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id="h-Cardboard_bicycle_frame-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z"></span>Cardboard bicycle frame<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cardboard_bicycle_frame-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Cardboard bicycle frame"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Cardboard_bicycle_frame-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z-Cardboard_bicycle_frame"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-01-19T14:44:00.000Z-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-01-19T14:44:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Cardboard_bicycle_frame-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z-Cardboard_bicycle_frame"],"text":"Cardboard bicycle frame","linkableTitle":"Cardboard bicycle frame"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z-Cardboard_bicycle_frame"></span>You said that anyone can edit, and someone told me this information that was posted was untrue, so i changed it. that's all. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.79.242.104" title="Special:Contributions/66.79.242.104">66.79.242.104</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:66.79.242.104" title="User talk:66.79.242.104">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z-Cardboard_bicycle_frame" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z-Cardboard_bicycle_frame"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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Your edit failed to meet that criteria in several areas: <ol><li>Encyclopedias are not written in the first person. Sentences should not begin with "I have". How is the reader supposed to know who the writer is?</li> <li>Encyclopedias contain verifiable information that conforms with the provided references. In this case, the reference already provided confirms the inventors name and makes no mention of wet cardboard.</li></ol></dd> <dd>If you believe that the current text is incorrect, you must either show how it does not match the current provided reference, or provide a new reliable reference to support your claim. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-01-19T14:44:00.000Z-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-01-19T14:44:00.000Z-66.79.242.104-2013-01-19T14:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli","c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"],"text":"ANI notice: Cantaloupe2, assuming_bad_faith., Wikistalking, _misinterpreting_policies","linkableTitle":"ANI notice: Cantaloupe2, assuming bad faith., Wikistalking, misinterpreting policies"}--><h2 id="ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_policies" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z"><span id="ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2.2C_assuming_bad_faith..2C_Wikistalking.2C_misinterpreting_policies"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z"></span>ANI notice: Cantaloupe2, assuming_bad_faith., Wikistalking, _misinterpreting_policies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: ANI notice: Cantaloupe2, assuming_bad_faith., Wikistalking, _misinterpreting_policies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli","c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-14T19:58:00.000Z-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-07-14T19:58:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__4__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli","c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"],"text":"ANI notice: Cantaloupe2, assuming_bad_faith., Wikistalking, _misinterpreting_policies","linkableTitle":"ANI notice: Cantaloupe2, assuming bad faith., Wikistalking, misinterpreting policies"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"></span>Your edits were mentioned <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Cantaloupe2.2C_hits_nail_squarely.2C_on.2C_its_head%7C">here</a> as an example in this ANI discussion. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.118.142.187" title="Special:Contributions/174.118.142.187">174.118.142.187</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.118.142.187" title="User talk:174.118.142.187">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z","author":"174.118.142.187","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.118.142.187-2013-01-21T22:05:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"></span>Hi AndrewDressel, are you interested in participating in the related RfCU drafting process (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dreamyshade/RFCU&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dreamyshade/RFCU (page does not exist)">User:Dreamyshade/RFCU</a>)? <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dreamyshade/RFCU&diff=534731382&oldid=534631854">YuMaNuMa made a good-faith addition of your username</a> due to involvement at AN/I, but I don't know if you're explicitly interested in being included. If you'd prefer not to be listed, feel free to remove yourself (or let me know and I'll remove you). Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Dreamyshade" title="User:Dreamyshade">Dreamyshade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dreamyshade" title="User talk:Dreamyshade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z","author":"Dreamyshade","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli","replies":["c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z","c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z-ANI_notice:_Cantaloupe2,_assuming_bad_faith.,_Wikistalking,_misinterpreting_poli"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"></span>This is not Andrew Dressels [<i><a href="/wiki/Sic" title="Sic">sic</a></i>] own CV advertising blog. This is Wikipedia</dd> <dd>How dare you put your own pic up as bike mechanic when all you've done is work in a bike shop for 17 months. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.22.42.194" title="Special:Contributions/92.22.42.194">92.22.42.194</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:92.22.42.194" title="User talk:92.22.42.194">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z","author":"92.22.42.194","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:19:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"></span>We hav [<i><a href="/wiki/Sic" title="Sic">sic</a></i>] a class one nutter attempting to lay claim to all the cycling entries.</dd> <dd>Rewriting articles to put your name to. adding a picture of yourself working(allegedly) on a bicycle.</dd> <dd>how can you claim to be a mechanic with a mere 17 months experience ?. Those like myself who pick up on this are then personally attacked. Walter Mitty without a doubt. Clearly the foundation should go the special extra mile and in a change of policy ban the likes of you and your opinions. Much of then [<i><a href="/wiki/Sic" title="Sic">sic</a></i>] are only that. Wiki is to be factual and you know little. I bet you haven't even got a bike you fraud <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.22.42.194" title="Special:Contributions/92.22.42.194">92.22.42.194</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:92.22.42.194" title="User talk:92.22.42.194">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z","author":"92.22.42.194","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-14T19:58:00.000Z-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2013-01-28T02:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-14T19:58:00.000Z-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z"></span>These comments must be from the person that used to edit under <a href="/wiki/User:Cantaloupe2" title="User:Cantaloupe2">user:Cantaloupe2</a>, right? Why else would they be inserted in this ANI notification section, be so full of typographical errors, and be so bitter? The <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAndrewDressel&type=revision&diff=671047059&oldid=668307568">change in the link to the old Administrators Notice Board discussion</a> from "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Cantaloupe2.2C_assuming_bad_faith.2C_Wikistalking.2C_misinterpreting_policies" to "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Cantaloupe2.2C_hits_nail_squarely.2C_on.2C_its_head" is particularly hilarious.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Anyway, as to your "points":</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>Do you know what is the required time for a person to work as a bicycle mechanic before they may be referred to as a bicycle mechanic? I haven't seen that spec. I suspect, however, that working full-time at a bike shop, drawing a paycheck from a bike shop, and lasting more than a season at a bike shop, would be sufficient.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>Do you know where it is stated in the wikipedia policies or guidelines that uploaded images should not contain the likeness of the uploader? I haven't seen that either. I do know, however, that the easiest way to have the necessary rights to an image, which seems to be the main thing wikipedia cares about, is to create it yourself, as by taking a photograph.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>How on earth do you construe "working on articles in which I have an interest" as "attempting to lay claim to all the cycling entries?" How do you think I have laid claim? By having my userID appear in the edit history? You realize that happens automatically, right? And if an editor edited many articles, in an attempt to improve them, for example, their userID would appear in the edit history of many articles. Is that what you mean by "lay claim?"</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>I know enough. I know I need to find reliable sources to support the assertions I make, and I know I need to be civil and avoid edit wars with other users. I know it is not a good idea to edit under an anonymous IP address to evade a block and make baseless accusations against another editor in good standing on their own talk page. What more do I need?</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>And now, the best for last: do I even have a bike? You'll love this part. Several of them are pictured in the appropriate wikipedia articles, because there isn't even a rule preventing editors from taking pictures of their own bicycles and uploading them. Can you imagine?</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Cheers, enjoy your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive810#Proposed_ban_of_Cantaloupe2.C2.A0.28talk.C2.A0.C2.B7_contribs.29">indefinite block</a>, and be careful to avoid <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Inappropriate_uses_of_alternative_accounts">sock puppetry</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-14T19:58:00.000Z-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-14T19:58:00.000Z-92.22.42.194-2015-07-12T01:40:00.000Z"><span 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id="Xtracycle_pictures" data-mw-thread-id="h-Xtracycle_pictures-2013-01-31T18:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Xtracycle_pictures-2013-01-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span>Xtracycle pictures<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Xtracycle_pictures-2013-01-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Xtracycle pictures"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Degen_Earthfast-2013-01-31T18:32:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Xtracycle_pictures-2013-01-31T18:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Degen_Earthfast-2013-01-31T18:32:00.000Z-Xtracycle_pictures"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div 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bicycle","linkableTitle":"DYK for Cardboard bicycle"}--></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Cardboard_bicycle"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="notice"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Updated DYK query"><img alt="Updated DYK query" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/15px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/23px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/30px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions#4_February_2013" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions">4 February 2013</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know?</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Cardboard_bicycle" title="Cardboard bicycle">Cardboard bicycle</a></b></i>, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was <i>... that a <b><a href="/wiki/Cardboard_bicycle" title="Cardboard bicycle">cardboard bicycle</a></b> has been made that weighs just 20 pounds (9.1 kg) and can support up to 220 kilograms (490 lb)?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cardboard_bicycle" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cardboard bicycle">Template:Did you know nominations/Cardboard bicycle</a>. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201302/Cardboard_bicycle">quick check</a>)</small> and it will be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKSTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKSTATS">DYKSTATS</a> if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know? talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b><a href="/wiki/User:Lord_Roem" title="User:Lord Roem">Lord Roem</a></b> ~ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lord_Roem" title="User talk:Lord Roem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Cardboard_bicycle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 4 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Cardboard_bicycle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Lord Roem","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Cardboard_bicycle","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Cardboard_bicycle"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z"></span>Final numbers where <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201302/Cardboard_bicycle">23,245</a> views on February 3, 2013 during the 8 hours it appeared on the main page: 2906 views per hour. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-06T16:05:00.000Z-Lord_Roem-2013-02-04T00:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Rolling_resistance-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance"],"text":"Rolling resistance","linkableTitle":"Rolling resistance"}--><h2 id="Rolling_resistance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rolling_resistance-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rolling_resistance-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"></span>Rolling resistance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rolling_resistance-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Rolling resistance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Rolling_resistance-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Rolling_resistance-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance"],"text":"Rolling resistance","linkableTitle":"Rolling resistance"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance"></span>OK, I just edited the first paragraph of the article on rolling resistance and corrected a major error in the statement. The added references support my claim and therefore constitute undeniably a valuable contribution to this article on Wikipedia. I see no conflict of interest anymore... <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GPZ76&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GPZ76 (page does not exist)">GPZ76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPZ76" title="User talk:GPZ76">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GPZ76" title="Special:Contributions/GPZ76">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","author":"GPZ76","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z-Rolling_resistance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"></span>I have moved your excellent addition from the lede paragraph to a section specifically about applied torque. Since you do not provide links to online versions of the references, I will accept on good faith that they support your not-unreasonable claim. It could be argued that a reliable online source for the same detail would be more valuable, but I'll leave that for another day. As for conflict of interest, I agree now that your references meet the guidelines spelled out in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Coi#Citing_yourself" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Coi">Wikipedia:Coi#Citing_yourself</a>: specifically <i>Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work.</i> Thank you for your contribution. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z"></span>OK, thank you for having managed this contribution. The references correspond to publications in the International Journal of Solids and Structures (which is a reliable online source). Additional links are provided to online pages where authors' versions (of the same material) may be downloaded by the reader. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GPZ76&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GPZ76 (page does not exist)">GPZ76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPZ76" title="User talk:GPZ76">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GPZ76" title="Special:Contributions/GPZ76">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z","author":"GPZ76","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GPZ76-2013-02-07T19:55:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-02-07T19:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires"],"text":"Measuring characteristics of bicycle tires","linkableTitle":"Measuring characteristics of bicycle tires"}--><h2 id="Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires" data-mw-thread-id="h-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z"></span>Measuring characteristics of bicycle tires<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Measuring characteristics of bicycle tires"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires","timestamp":"2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires"],"text":"Measuring characteristics of bicycle tires","linkableTitle":"Measuring characteristics of bicycle tires"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires"></span>Mr. Dressel, </p><p>I recently began studying tire properties to study their effect on bicycle dynamics at University of California, Davis. A former lab member recommended I look up your work, and indeed I found your paper titled 'Measuring sideslip and camber characteristics of bicycle tyres'. I was wondering if I could speak with you sometime about what you have done. </p><p>Thank you, </p><p>Elliot Marshall <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marshall2389&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marshall2389 (page does not exist)">Marshall2389</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshall2389" title="User talk:Marshall2389">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Marshall2389" title="Special:Contributions/Marshall2389">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Marshall2389","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshall2389-2013-02-08T22:27:00.000Z-Measuring_characteristics_of_bicycle_tires"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike"],"text":"Recumbent trail-a-bike","linkableTitle":"Recumbent trail-a-bike"}--><h2 id="Recumbent_trail-a-bike" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z"></span>Recumbent trail-a-bike<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Recumbent trail-a-bike"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-26T18:44:00.000Z-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-02-26T18:44:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recumbent_trail-a-bike-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike"],"text":"Recumbent trail-a-bike","linkableTitle":"Recumbent trail-a-bike"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike"></span>I noticed you posted a photo with recumbent trail-a-bike (trail-a-trike?), and I was wondering if you might able to point me to where I might acquire one. I'd like to do some bike touring with my sons, and a recumbent trailer seems to be the right option for us. </p><p>Thanks, Russ <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/204.154.121.30" title="Special:Contributions/204.154.121.30">204.154.121.30</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:204.154.121.30" title="User talk:204.154.121.30">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z","author":"204.154.121.30","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-26T18:44:00.000Z-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z-Recumbent_trail-a-bike"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-26T18:44:00.000Z-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z"></span>I took that picture in the Netherlands, and don't know what brand or model it is. <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.rideweehoo.com/">Weehoo</a> has single-wheel recumbent.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ihpva.org/projects/tstrike/rectrailer.htm">This guy</a> made is own.</li> <li>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://hasebikes.com/87-1-Trets.html">Hase Trets</a> from Denmark might be what you are after.</li></ul></dd> <dd>I hope some of this helps. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-26T18:44:00.000Z-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-02-26T18:44:00.000Z-204.154.121.30-2013-02-26T17:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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id="h-Who_is_the_doctor?-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z"></span>Who is the doctor?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Who_is_the_doctor?-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Who is the doctor?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-81.35.231.173-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Who_is_the_doctor?-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-81.35.231.173-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z-Who_is_the_doctor?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div 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that question. The proper formulation is "<a href="/wiki/The_Bells_of_Saint_John" title="The Bells of Saint John">Doctor Who?</a>". <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.35.231.173" title="Special:Contributions/81.35.231.173">81.35.231.173</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:81.35.231.173&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:81.35.231.173 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-81.35.231.173-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z-Who_is_the_doctor?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.35.231.173-2013-04-01T10:34:00.000Z-Who_is_the_doctor?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.","c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-1"],"text":"Recumbent bicycle with drive shaft powertrain.","linkableTitle":"Recumbent bicycle with drive shaft powertrain."}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.115.133.104" title="Special:Contributions/88.115.133.104"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain."></span>88.115.133.104</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.115.133.104&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:88.115.133.104 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a> Hi Andrew,<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z","author":"88.115.133.104","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain."></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-1"></span>I just wanted to point for your consideration that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.miragebikes.com/">Miragebikes</a> has designed a novel type of recumbent bicycle with drive shaft powertrain replacing chain drive. This alternative is good for urban commuting and easy maintenance. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.115.133.104" title="Special:Contributions/88.115.133.104">88.115.133.104</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.115.133.104&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:88.115.133.104 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z","author":"88.115.133.104","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.115.133.104-2013-04-01T17:32:00.000Z-Recumbent_bicycle_with_drive_shaft_powertrain.-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd>I noticed that you have contributed to article about shaft driven bicycles. I am working with shaft driven bicycles and I have noticed that number of such bike models are on the increase. The improvements in hub-gears has made drive shaft more tempting option, and lately drive shaft has been adopted in many electric hybrid bicycles (Biomega, Wayel for example) In my company we have created first commercial recumbent bicycle with drive shaft. There are at least two commercialy used drive shaft systems in the market place. The other one is coming from the company Sussex (used by us, Dynamic Bicycles, Rugged Bicycles, etc.) and Chinese system from company whose name I do not remember now (Biomega and Wayel are using that one). Feel free to contact me if you want to continued discussion about the topic.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Best regards</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Tatu Lund</dd> <dd>tatu.lund@miragebikes.com</dd> <dd>www.miragebikes.com</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Open_frame-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame"],"text":"Open frame","linkableTitle":"Open frame"}--><h2 id="Open_frame" data-mw-thread-id="h-Open_frame-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Open_frame-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"></span>Open frame<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Open_frame-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Open frame"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Open_frame-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Open_frame-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame"],"text":"Open frame","linkableTitle":"Open frame"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame"></span>My contributions to the bicycle frame page were both constructive and argumented. Please restore the changes to make Wikipedia useful to its readers. </p><p>As I stated, Open frame is the accepted term, both on commercial websites and colloquially. People searching should be able to find it. Here is also an old reference for its use, <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.blackbirdsf.org/taylor/unk14.html">"Nimrod road tests the Jack Taylor touring bicycle"</a>. Cycling. March 16, 1960<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2013-04-02</span></span>. <q>their range of seventeen models includes a woman's open frame bicycle</q></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=unknown&rft.btitle=Nimrod+road+tests+the+Jack+Taylor+touring+bicycle&rft.pub=Cycling&rft.date=1960-03-16&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackbirdsf.org%2Ftaylor%2Funk14.html&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AAndrewDressel" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.38.132.97" title="Special:Contributions/90.38.132.97">90.38.132.97</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:90.38.132.97" title="User talk:90.38.132.97">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","author":"90.38.132.97","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z-Open_frame"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"></span>Funny thing about that reference you cite: I found it and inserted it. Thus, I have a pretty good idea how hard it was to find. As things stand now, Wikipedia readers will have no trouble finding "open frame bicycle". Any further insertions of that synonym will simply be giving it undue weight. Further discussion of this topic belongs on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_frame#Open_frame" title="Talk:Bicycle frame">Talk:Bicycle_frame#Open_frame</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T17:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z"></span>I am wondering why commercial advertisements are not a good reference source, as that's where most people would come across the terms. At the same time, I see your point that there is enough reference to open frame (where there wasn't before), so people who look for it will find it. Thanks for finding the old reference, since it gives it some legitimacy in non-commercial circles as well. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.38.132.97" title="Special:Contributions/90.38.132.97">90.38.132.97</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:90.38.132.97" title="User talk:90.38.132.97">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z","author":"90.38.132.97","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T18:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z"></span>In the past, I have also wondered about and chaffed under the lack of respect shown to commercial sites, especially for the accepted name of things. Now I'm used to it. Thanks for getting this new name added to the articles, and I'm glad we seem to have come to an agreement about it. I hope this experience hasn't discouraged you from making future contributions. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z"></span>No, no. I appreciate it. It's often jarring at first when something is changed without a person understanding why. But I see there is not only a good reason, but people like you who care enough to find the reference for the common term they don't want to see overused. I am a big fan of Wikipedia and this is an experience in reaching reasoned consensus, that makes me appreciate it even more. As you mention, the lack of respect shown to commercial sites may be part of a philosophy. & as long as it doesn't ignore accepted names or otherwise interfere with reasonable usefulness of search, it's probably ok. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.38.132.97" title="Special:Contributions/90.38.132.97">90.38.132.97</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:90.38.132.97" title="User talk:90.38.132.97">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z","author":"90.38.132.97","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.38.132.97-2013-04-02T21:35:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-04-02T21:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article"],"text":"About Bicycle wheel article","linkableTitle":"About Bicycle wheel article"}--><h2 id="About_Bicycle_wheel_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z"></span>About <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_wheel" title="Bicycle wheel">Bicycle wheel</a> article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: About Bicycle wheel article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-About_Bicycle_wheel_article-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article"],"text":"About Bicycle wheel article","linkableTitle":"About Bicycle wheel article"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article"></span>So <b>Andrew Dressel</b>, you’ve <b>turned down</b> some of my edits because <a href="/wiki/Sheldon_Brown_(bicycle_mechanic)" title="Sheldon Brown (bicycle mechanic)">Sheldon Brown’s</a> references where not good enough for you, hmmm, data was <b>thoroughly researched</b>, beginning to have doubts about reject, should have given some time to discuss matters with other Wikipedians, at least given me a buzz in my talk page about matter, but you were <i>too quick</i>, plus other constructive edits where <i>blown away</i>. Let’s keep Wikipedia neutral dude!, let us not fall into promotional gimmicks, history has already been written, let us be real, that’s how Wikipedia strengthens! Cheers — <a href="/wiki/User:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User:Moebiusuibeom-en">Moebiusuibeom-en</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 11 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z","author":"Moebiusuibeom-en","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-11T01:50:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z-About_Bicycle_wheel_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-11T01:50:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z"></span>Yup. I checked the references, including Sheldon Brown, who is perfectly good enough for me, and none of them confirm that 650B is equivalent to 27.5", as you repeatedly asserted. In fact, neither reference even mentions 27.5" once. I don't know what there is to discuss. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-11T01:50:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 11 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-11T01:50:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T01:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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knows what his talking about, ...and i am very neutral, there's plenty of confusion about bicycle wheels and tires, let's not confuse even more, i've researched data thoroughly, so if you don't mind, i'll revert reverted version, peace brother — <a href="/wiki/User:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User:Moebiusuibeom-en">Moebiusuibeom-en</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T02:38:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-11T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T02:38:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-11T01:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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(584 mm rim) with ~26 x 1 1/2 / ISO 38-584 tyres, which sums up to ~26.0", or ~650 mm — <a href="/wiki/User:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User:Moebiusuibeom-en">Moebiusuibeom-en</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T03:22:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T02:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T03:22:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T02:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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I just misunderstood what you wrote. I have restored your changes and added a few of my own in the hopes of making things clearer. I apologize for the hasty revert. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T03:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 12 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T03:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T03:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-11T03:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z"></span>OK, looks good, got to get things straight, <b>we will not get fooled</b>, but it is still 10 to 1, 10 being current misconceptions and 1 being the facts! — <a href="/wiki/User:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User:Moebiusuibeom-en">Moebiusuibeom-en</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moebiusuibeom-en" title="User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z","author":"Moebiusuibeom-en","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moebiusuibeom-en-2013-05-14T01:48:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-12T14:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."],"text":"Question about your BikeLean picture.","linkableTitle":"Question about your BikeLean picture."}--><h2 id="Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture." data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Question about your BikeLean picture.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Question about your BikeLean picture."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."],"text":"Question about your BikeLean picture.","linkableTitle":"Question about your BikeLean picture."}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."></span>In this picture, <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BikeLeanForces3.PNG">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BikeLeanForces3.PNG</a>, I want to understand the term (mv^2)/r at center of mass. Why is this term at center of mass? Wouldn't this term negate friction force and make centripetal force zero? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SkonMatayatana&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SkonMatayatana (page does not exist)">SkonMatayatana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SkonMatayatana" title="User talk:SkonMatayatana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","author":"SkonMatayatana","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture.","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z-Question_about_your_BikeLean_picture."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"></span>As the caption under the picture in the <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics" title="Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics">bicycle and motorcycle dynamics</a> article attempts to explain, (mv^2)/r is an <a href="/wiki/Inertial" class="mw-redirect" title="Inertial">inertial</a> force that appears in the <a href="/wiki/Non-inertial_reference_frame" title="Non-inertial reference frame">non-inertial reference frame</a> that is accelerating with the bike. It acts at the center of mass because it is an inertial force caused by the acceleration of the center of mass. In this non-inertial reference frame, the bike is at equilibrium in a steady-state turn, so yes, (mv^2)/r is equal and opposite to the friction force. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-18T17:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SkonMatayatana&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SkonMatayatana (page does not exist)">SkonMatayatana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SkonMatayatana" title="User talk:SkonMatayatana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z","author":"SkonMatayatana","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SkonMatayatana-2013-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-05-20T00:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi"></span>DYK for Baisikeli Ugunduzi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: DYK for Baisikeli Ugunduzi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-DYK_for_Baisikeli_Ugunduzi","replies":[]}}--></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="notice"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Updated DYK query"><img alt="Updated DYK query" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/15px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/23px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/30px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions#30_May_2013" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions">30 May 2013</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know?</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Baisikeli_Ugunduzi" title="Baisikeli Ugunduzi">Baisikeli Ugunduzi</a></b></i>, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was <i>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Baisikeli_Ugunduzi" title="Baisikeli Ugunduzi">Baisikeli Ugunduzi</a></b> has developed a replacement for <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_tire#Tubed" title="Bicycle tire">bicycle tire inner tubes</a> specifically for <a href="/wiki/Sub-Saharan_Africa" title="Sub-Saharan Africa">Sub-Saharan Africa</a> that cannot <a href="/wiki/Flat_tire" title="Flat tire">go flat</a>?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Baisikeli_Ugunduzi" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Baisikeli Ugunduzi">Template:Did you know nominations/Baisikeli Ugunduzi</a>. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201305/Baisikeli_Ugunduzi">quick check</a>)</small> and it will be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKSTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKSTATS">DYKSTATS</a> if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know? talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">The DYK project</a> (<a href="/wiki/T:TDYK" class="mw-redirect" title="T:TDYK">nominate</a>) 08:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC) </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ross_(bicycles)-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)"],"text":"Ross (bicycles)","linkableTitle":"Ross (bicycles)"}--><h2 id="Ross_(bicycles)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ross_(bicycles)-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z"><span id="Ross_.28bicycles.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ross_(bicycles)-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z"></span>Ross (bicycles)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ross_(bicycles)-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Ross (bicycles)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ross_(bicycles)-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)","timestamp":"2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ross_(bicycles)-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)"],"text":"Ross (bicycles)","linkableTitle":"Ross (bicycles)"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)"></span>Terrific work rescuing an article I proposed for speedy as a copyright violation. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.149.85.229" title="Special:Contributions/99.149.85.229">99.149.85.229</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:99.149.85.229" title="User talk:99.149.85.229">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z","author":"99.149.85.229","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.149.85.229-2013-06-05T15:02:00.000Z-Ross_(bicycles)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Working_Bikes-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes"],"text":"Working Bikes","linkableTitle":"Working Bikes"}--><h2 id="Working_Bikes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Working_Bikes-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Working_Bikes-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z"></span>Working Bikes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Working_Bikes-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Working Bikes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Working_Bikes-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes","timestamp":"2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Working_Bikes-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes"],"text":"Working Bikes","linkableTitle":"Working Bikes"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes"></span>Thanks so much, as a novice wiki guy your input is much much appreciated. Thank you very very much. haddon <a href="/wiki/User:Dhaddonpearson" title="User:Dhaddonpearson">Dhaddonpearson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dhaddonpearson" title="User talk:Dhaddonpearson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z","author":"Dhaddonpearson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhaddonpearson-2013-06-09T06:36:00.000Z-Working_Bikes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"],"text":"Undo on my manufacturer entry","linkableTitle":"Undo on my manufacturer entry"}--><h2 id="Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Undo on my manufacturer entry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Undo on my manufacturer entry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"],"text":"Undo on my manufacturer entry","linkableTitle":"Undo on my manufacturer entry"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"></span>Hi, why did you canceled my entry on the manufacturer list? Mbm (www.ciclimbm.it) was established in 1974 and is a well known italian bicycle manufacturer. Why would you want to cancel it from the list?? </p><p>Regards, Andrei Dandes <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dawgkernel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dawgkernel (page does not exist)">Dawgkernel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dawgkernel" title="User talk:Dawgkernel">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dawgkernel" title="Special:Contributions/Dawgkernel">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","author":"Dawgkernel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z-Undo_on_my_manufacturer_entry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"></span>The simple answer is that entries in the list must be notable, and that notability is indicated the be presence of a Wikipedia article about the brand or manufacturer. No article? No entry in the list. If you believe the brand or manufacturer would pass Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notability</a> criteria, by all means, create the article and add it to the list. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T11:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z"></span>So the page should be named Bicycle Manufacturers that you like ..... You give readers only the information you like and not complete . Please note that I've sent you as reference that company official website and only a simple search would show that is a real manufacturer missing from the list. Waist of time trying to do something good .... <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dawgkernel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dawgkernel (page does not exist)">Dawgkernel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dawgkernel" title="User talk:Dawgkernel">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dawgkernel" title="Special:Contributions/Dawgkernel">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z","author":"Dawgkernel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T12:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z"]}}--></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z"></span>It certainly is not a list of only manufacturers that I like, but I do my best to keep it a list of only manufacturers that meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, and the first paragraph of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability guidelines</a> explains exactly why that is necessary. The article specifically states that "this is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries." If you feel strongly that some manufacturer should be on the list, then write the article about it, and there will be no problem. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-01T14:44:00.000Z-Dawgkernel-2013-08-01T14:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-sram_dual_drive-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive"],"text":"sram dual drive","linkableTitle":"sram dual drive"}--><h2 id="sram_dual_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-sram_dual_drive-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-sram_dual_drive-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"></span>sram dual drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-sram_dual_drive-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: sram dual drive"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-sram_dual_drive-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-sram_dual_drive-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive"],"text":"sram dual drive","linkableTitle":"sram dual drive"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive"></span>It is a Sram dual drive hub with 3 internal gears and a 9 sprocket cassette and disc brake assembly. The first internal gear, that's the high torque low speed for climbing steep slopes does not engage. The other two positions for level and downhill work OK when shifting. The Click Box is properly aligned at the 2nd middle gear position as per instructions. Understand that the 9 sprocket cassette coupled with the three internal gears of the dual drive will result in 27 separate speed combinations. In this case, the low internal gear not engaging, freewheels the entire cassette, resulting in only 18 operational speeds, not the 27 nominal that it has been designed to do. I need your advice to correct it. I have to walk the bike for steep hills... Thank you. </p><p>Alfredo Morales Miami, Florida, U.S.A. alfredomorales2573@gmail.com <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Felo2573&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Felo2573 (page does not exist)">Felo2573</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Felo2573" title="User talk:Felo2573">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Felo2573" title="Special:Contributions/Felo2573">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","author":"Felo2573","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z-sram_dual_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"></span>The first thing I would suggest is that it is out of adjustment, but since you say that "the Click Box is properly aligned at the 2nd middle gear position as per instructions," it seems you have already checked that. I don't have any more knowledge about the system than that. It sounds like you will have to bring it to a dealer. Before I did, though, I would separate the drive from the shifter to try manipulating each manually and isolate the problem into one or the other. Sorry I can't help more. Best of luck. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-08-09T12:43:00.000Z-Felo2573-2013-08-09T08:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."],"text":"Articles not yet on Wikipedia.","linkableTitle":"Articles not yet on Wikipedia."}--><h2 id="Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia." data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"></span>Articles not yet on Wikipedia.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Articles not yet on Wikipedia."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."],"text":"Articles not yet on Wikipedia.","linkableTitle":"Articles not yet on Wikipedia."}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."></span>I was looking for the definition of a Power Lock on Wikipedia and couldn't find it. From the <a href="/wiki/Keyed_joint#Parallel_keys" class="mw-redirect" title="Keyed joint">Keyed joint</a> page the <a href="/wiki/Hirth_joint" title="Hirth joint">Hirth joint</a> seemed the closest match, but definitely the wrong category. I was hoping someone might see the referenced PDFs, know something about these devices, and create a page, but after you deleted it I figured I might as well start it. I've added <a href="/wiki/Power_Lock" class="mw-redirect" title="Power Lock">Power Lock</a> to <a href="/wiki/Coupling#Others" title="Coupling">Coupling#Others</a> in the hopes that someone will see it and fill it in. I now know from the manufacturers data sheets how it works and what it does but not much more so that's all I've added to the new page. <a href="/wiki/User:Uno_b4" title="User:Uno b4">Uno b4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uno_b4" title="User talk:Uno b4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","author":"Uno b4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia.","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z-Articles_not_yet_on_Wikipedia."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"></span>Congratulations on creating the new page, but as you can see by checking it, there are some remaining issues. First and foremost is the lack of reliable 3rd-party sources. Does anyone other than the manufacturer write about Power Lock's anywhere? If not, then it just might not be a topic suitable for an encyclopedia. I appreciate that you are trying to get the word about about a product that you find important, but a key aspect to Wikipedia, and arguably one of the keys to its success as an information resource, is that everything in it needs to pass a minimal notability criteria, and all facts have to be verifiable. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 9 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-10-09T15:10:00.000Z-Uno_b4-2013-10-09T08:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-unicycling_taskforce-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce"],"text":"unicycling taskforce","linkableTitle":"unicycling taskforce"}--><h2 id="unicycling_taskforce" data-mw-thread-id="h-unicycling_taskforce-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unicycling_taskforce-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"></span>unicycling taskforce<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unicycling_taskforce-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: unicycling taskforce"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-unicycling_taskforce-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-unicycling_taskforce-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce"],"text":"unicycling taskforce","linkableTitle":"unicycling taskforce"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce"></span>I wondered if you got anywhere with that in the end, and if it might be better to just crack on with labeling unicycle articles as both wikiproject cycling and wikiproject circus? <a href="/wiki/User:EdwardLane" title="User:EdwardLane">EdwardLane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EdwardLane" title="User talk:EdwardLane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","author":"EdwardLane","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z-unicycling_taskforce"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Nope. Got nowhere. Your plan sounds good. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-06T15:38:00.000Z-EdwardLane-2013-12-06T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments"],"text":"Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments","linkableTitle":"Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments"}--><h2 id="Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z"></span>Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2013-12-14T16:01:00.000Z-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-12-14T16:01:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments"],"text":"Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments","linkableTitle":"Bicycle and motorcycle geometry comments"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments"></span>The terminology used throughout the Bicycle and motorcycle geometry page is confusing. This seems to be in large part due to the different way that "rake" is used on bicycles and motorcycles. I suspect that multiple authors were at work and they failed to seamlessly merge their contributions. What follows is mainly an attempt to straighten this out. I don't have a Wikipedia account and am new enough to editing Wikipedia pages that I thought it best to run this by you, who I gather is the biggest contributor to the page. There are two images below that I couldn't insert, apparently because of my not having an account, so I've uploaded them to Tinypic and included links in the text. -Bill Vyn <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/184.187.191.197" title="Special:Contributions/184.187.191.197">184.187.191.197</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:184.187.191.197" title="User talk:184.187.191.197">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 12 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-184.187.191.197-2013-12-12T21:39:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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I saw text of "non-notable". Spot Brand belt drive bikes do not seem non-notable to me. Thx. -(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ronpage80&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ronpage80 (page does not exist)">Ronpage80</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ronpage80" title="User talk:Ronpage80">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z-Revert_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)</a> Ron<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z-Revert_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z","author":"Ronpage80","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z-Revert_article","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z-Revert_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z"></span>I am using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia's notability criteria</a>, and there is not yet an article on Wikipedia about the company you added. If you feel that Spot Brand is notable, please create an article about it. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2014-02-15T13:45:00.000Z-Ronpage80-2014-02-14T15:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-File:Euler's_disk.png-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png"],"text":"File:Euler's_disk.png","linkableTitle":"File:Euler's disk.png"}--><h2 id="File:Euler's_disk.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Euler's_disk.png-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z"><span id="File:Euler.27s_disk.png"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Euler's_disk.png-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/File:Euler%27s_disk.png" title="File:Euler's disk.png">File:Euler's_disk.png</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Euler's_disk.png-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: File:Euler's_disk.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-File:Euler's_disk.png-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png","timestamp":"2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-File:Euler's_disk.png-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png"],"text":"File:Euler's_disk.png","linkableTitle":"File:Euler's disk.png"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png"></span>Hi, AndrewDressel! Thanks for uploading your illustration of <a href="/wiki/Euler%27s_Disk" title="Euler's Disk">Euler's Disk</a>. I just uploaded it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Commons" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a>, since it is potentially suitable for inclusion on multiple wikimedia projects. In the future, you may consider uploading it there yourself, instead of uploading it here, where only English Wikipedia can use it. Cheers, and thanks again for the illustration! <a href="/wiki/User:Storkk" title="User:Storkk">Storkk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Storkk" title="User talk:Storkk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 21 March 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z","author":"Storkk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Storkk-2014-03-21T15:26:00.000Z-File:Euler's_disk.png"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you"],"text":"Happy that I have found you","linkableTitle":"Happy that I have found you"}--><h2 id="Happy_that_I_have_found_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Happy that I have found you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Happy that I have found you"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you","timestamp":"2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Happy_that_I_have_found_you-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you"],"text":"Happy that I have found you","linkableTitle":"Happy that I have found you"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you"></span>Hello Andy, hope you remember the Sheremet family from Kiew. I am Anna the sister of Vitali and I life in Germany now. Mom is in Rome Italy an Vitali still in Kiew. Would be proud to hear from you. You can contact me anytime you want dides@gmx.de It is the email addy of my husband. Many greetings Anna Vitali and Raisa and now Eva and Oskar (they are the new memners of the family) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.9.146.243" title="Special:Contributions/91.9.146.243">91.9.146.243</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:91.9.146.243&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:91.9.146.243 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z","author":"91.9.146.243","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.9.146.243-2014-03-26T16:15:00.000Z-Happy_that_I_have_found_you"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."],"text":"Definition of Saddle is incorrect.","linkableTitle":"Definition of Saddle is incorrect."}--><h2 id="Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect." data-mw-thread-id="h-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z"></span>Definition of Saddle is incorrect.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Definition of Saddle is incorrect."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.","timestamp":"2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."],"text":"Definition of Saddle is incorrect.","linkableTitle":"Definition of Saddle is incorrect."}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."></span>Stop trying to back up absurd lying with made up definitions. Oxford English Dictionary </p> <dl><dd>1) Saddle: n. A seat for a rider, typically made of leather, which is raised at the front and rear, and which may be secured to the back of a horse or other animal.</dd> <dd>2) Saddle: n. A type of chair or seat: a bench, a settle. Chiefly as the second element in compounds</dd> <dd>3) Saddle: v. transitive : to put a saddle upon (a horse or other animal).</dd></dl> <p>What you are trying to do here, is uphold the incorrect definition of an item, for the sole purpose of having a more elitist name over the common and correct word of Bicycle Seat. As the seat is affixed to the Seat Post, not the Saddle Post. This does not need an entry by itself, but should be a subsection of the proper term bicycle seat. The example of the word bicycle seat is absurd at most. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.190.89.88" title="Special:Contributions/24.190.89.88">24.190.89.88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.190.89.88" title="User talk:24.190.89.88">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 26 July 2014 (UTC)</a> Mike<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z","author":"24.190.89.88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect.","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.190.89.88-2014-07-26T20:03:00.000Z-Definition_of_Saddle_is_incorrect."></span> </p> <dl><dd>I have made up no definitions, and I advise you to refrain from make such baseless accusations. Instead, I cut and pasted the definition I cite directly and verbatim from the <i>Oxford English Dictionary</i> online. Here it is again along with all the historical examples upon which it is based: <dl><dd><i> 4. A fixed seat for the rider of a bicycle, motorcycle, etc.</i> <dl><dd>1819 <i>Belles-lettres Repositor</i>y May 31/2 The Velocipede, or Swift-walker... consists of two wheels, one behind the other, connected by a perch, on which a saddle is placed for the seat of the traveller... The saddle may be raised or lowered..at pleasure, and thus suited to the height of various persons.</dd> <dd>1869 <i>Times</i> 5 June 1/5 Velocipedes.—The best bicycle yet introduced. Wrought ironwork, with brass bearings, best tempered steel springs, leather saddle, [etc.].</dd> <dd>1887 Visct. Bury & G. L. Hillier <i>Cycling</i> (Badm. Libr.) 340 A suitable saddle is a necessity for the comfort of the cyclist.</dd> <dd>1916 <i>Motor Cyclists'</i> A.B.C. 107 A kick starter is fitted to a machine for the purpose of allowing the engine to be started whilst the rider is in the saddle.</dd> <dd>1923 H. L. Wilson <i>Oh, Doctor!</i> xxiv. 333 [He] threw a confident leg across the saddle and worshipfully grasped the spreading handle bars.</dd> <dd>2003 S. Mawer <i>Fall</i> (2004) x. 146 He wiped the saddle of the bike and climbed astride it... ‘Hop on.’<i></i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>If you do not have access to it, I suggest you try consulting your local library. In the meantime, let us move the discussion to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_saddle" title="Talk:Bicycle saddle">Talk:Bicycle saddle</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Flying_Eggs-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs"],"text":"Flying Eggs","linkableTitle":"Flying Eggs"}--><h2 id="Flying_Eggs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Flying_Eggs-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Flying_Eggs-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z"></span>Flying Eggs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Flying_Eggs-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Flying Eggs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Flying_Eggs-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs","timestamp":"2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Flying_Eggs-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs"],"text":"Flying Eggs","linkableTitle":"Flying Eggs"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs"></span>I did a school project on flying eggs. They are mentioned in a few historical sources. Do you know where a english translation of the relevent passage in the Huainanzi could be found. Do you think they are noteworthy for a Wikipedia article, or a passage in Hot Air Ballon, with a redirect to the passage? <a href="/wiki/User:Naytz" title="User:Naytz">Naytz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naytz" title="User talk:Naytz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z","author":"Naytz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naytz-2014-08-08T20:58:00.000Z-Flying_Eggs"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Countersteering-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering"],"text":"Countersteering","linkableTitle":"Countersteering"}--><h2 id="Countersteering" data-mw-thread-id="h-Countersteering-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Countersteering-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z"></span>Countersteering<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Countersteering-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Countersteering"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Countersteering-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering","timestamp":"2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Countersteering-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering"],"text":"Countersteering","linkableTitle":"Countersteering"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering"></span>I see you previously have been active on the article on <a href="/wiki/Countersteering" title="Countersteering">countersteering</a>, so I'll bugger you a bit now. I've done some huge amounts of editing on it now: </p> <ul><li>Reorganizing paragraphs</li> <li>Move related contents together</li> <li>Create a flow from top to bottom</li> <li>Remove duplicate text</li> <li>Remove stuff not related to countersteering</li> <li>Countersteering is performed by the driver, it is not a physical phenomena (referenced). The physics of what happens <b>when the driver countersteers</b> is still explained in great detail.</li></ul> <p>On the talk page there are some older discussions about "bikes vs. automobiles". I was bold and removed the whole thing (cars aren't bikes), and this did not relate to countersteering, only steering/turning. I removed the definition section, only one paragraph here was about definition and that one is moved to the top. This gymnast swing stuff was also rather hard to find related to countersteering... </p><p>Maybe you can have a look an see if I removed too much or if the article is fine now. </p><p>Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Atlesn" title="User:Atlesn">Atlesn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atlesn" title="User talk:Atlesn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z","author":"Atlesn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atlesn-2014-08-28T22:29:00.000Z-Countersteering"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"],"text":"My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law","linkableTitle":"My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law"}--><h2 id="My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"><span id="My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton.27s_Second_Law"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"></span>My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","timestamp":"2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"],"text":"My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law","linkableTitle":"My edit about SI units on Newton's Second Law"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"></span>Hey Andrew, </p><p>You reverted my edit: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newton%27s_laws_of_motion&oldid=629291389&diff=prev">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newton%27s_laws_of_motion&oldid=629291389&diff=prev</a> </p><p>I am not sure I agree with your reasoning as of yet, for three reasons. The reasoning you gave was, "It is true in any consistent system of units. No need to mention a favorite here." </p><p>1) The units I mentioned are the standard SI units. SI units are the ones used around the world. It is not that the units are my favorites but that they are the ones universally accepted. </p><p>2) The second law is not true if the units are changed. For instance if the second law is given in terms of Newtons, meters per second squared, and grams, it is no longer true. Units give physical meaning to a law and insight into what the law is saying. </p><p>3) In practice calculations involving the second law always involve units. It seems appropriate to mention units in a section about the second law because the second law is always used with units. </p><p>I would be interested in hearing what you have to say. </p><p><br/> P.S. This point may not be worth mentioning. I mean, it's not my main argument, but that we would leave this statement, "Thus, the net force applied to a body produces a proportional acceleration. In other words, if a body is accelerating, then there is a force on it," which was adjacent to the statement I made about units, which you removed, but then remove a statement about units, really boggles my mind. It seems much more relevant to me to mention that there are units in which the force, mass and acceleration are mentioned than the restate the law in a sentence when it has already been stated as a formula. Just making the point that it is not like we're in dire need to save space. Units are so inherent in any calculations or understanding involving the second law that it seems strange to mention the law without mentioning units, and since SI units are the universally accepted system of units, those are the ones to go with. <a href="/wiki/User:Makeswell" title="User:Makeswell">makeswell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Makeswell" title="User talk:Makeswell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","author":"Makeswell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z-My_edit_about_SI_units_on_Newton's_Second_Law"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"></span>The truth of Newton's second law is independent of any system of units, and can just as easily be calculated correctly in <a href="/wiki/US_customary_units" class="mw-redirect" title="US customary units">US customary units</a>, where force is in <a href="/wiki/Pound_(force)" title="Pound (force)">pounds</a>, mass is in <a href="/wiki/Slug_(mass)" class="mw-redirect" title="Slug (mass)">slugs</a>, and acceleration is in <a href="/wiki/Foot_per_second_squared" title="Foot per second squared">ft/s^2</a>. As your example in item 2 demonstrates, simply using SI units is not sufficient to be successful. It is always necessary to be aware of the units going into a formula in order to know what units come out of a formula and to make conversions when necessary. My objection was not specifically with providing an example calculation with units, but to the implied assertion that the law is only true if the correct units, or SI units, or even N, m, and kg, are chosen. Finally, the second law is not always used with units. Plenty of analyses are performed that incorporate the second law and many other laws to produce algebraic or unit-less results. After all, Newton published his laws in 1687, and the forerunner to SI units wasn't implemented until the 1790s. Let's continue this conversation on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Newton%27s_laws_of_motion" title="Talk:Newton's laws of motion">article talk page</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2014-10-13T21:31:00.000Z-Makeswell-2014-10-13T03:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-and_dennnnn?-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?"],"text":"and dennnnn?","linkableTitle":"and dennnnn?"}--><h2 id="and_dennnnn?" data-mw-thread-id="h-and_dennnnn?-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z"><span id="and_dennnnn.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-and_dennnnn?-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z"></span>and dennnnn?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-and_dennnnn?-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: and dennnnn?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-and_dennnnn?-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?","timestamp":"2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-and_dennnnn?-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?"],"text":"and dennnnn?","linkableTitle":"and dennnnn?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?"></span>Hey Andrew, You would probably know the answer to this- what could be the next step with the SI units in the article on Newton's Laws? <a href="/wiki/User:Makeswell" title="User:Makeswell">makeswell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Makeswell" title="User talk:Makeswell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 21 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Makeswell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Makeswell-2014-10-21T23:52:00.000Z-and_dennnnn?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"],"text":"Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle","linkableTitle":"Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle"}--><h2 id="Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"></span>Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","timestamp":"2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"],"text":"Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle","linkableTitle":"Motorcycle cornering when out of the saddle"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"></span>Hi Andrew You are clearly well versed on the subject. I am interested in your comments on the following: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle" title="Talk:Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics">Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle</a>. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Mike163" title="User:Mike163">Mike163</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike163" title="User talk:Mike163">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","author":"Mike163","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z-Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"></span>Mike, thanks for the reminder. I've replied to your question <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Motorcycle_cornering_when_out_of_the_saddle" title="Talk:Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics">there</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 15 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2014-11-15T15:00:00.000Z-Mike163-2014-11-13T21:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle"],"text":"Two-mass-skate bicycle","linkableTitle":"Two-mass-skate bicycle"}--><h2 id="Two-mass-skate_bicycle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Two-mass-skate_bicycle" title="Two-mass-skate bicycle">Two-mass-skate bicycle</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Two-mass-skate bicycle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle","timestamp":"2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Two-mass-skate_bicycle-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle"],"text":"Two-mass-skate bicycle","linkableTitle":"Two-mass-skate bicycle"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle"></span>I felt confused about the need for "positive trail" when reading the article on the two-mass-skate bicycle. The history section seemed to be contradicted by other sections, until I read the entire article several times, and realized that the last sentence in the history section is in the past tense. I thought I could improve the article, by making it clear that the "presumption" mentioned there is no longer true. </p><p>Apparently, I also implied something else, which is not true, but I am not sure what it is. I would like the history section bring the reader up to the current state-of-the art, without the need to read the following paragraph. Otherwise, I suggest changing the history section to "Background." </p><p>You are obviously more knowledgeable about this subject than I, so I must leave it to you to decide what is true and what is not. I hope you can find a better way to improve the article, so it is less confusing. </p><p>Thanks for reviewing my change to two-mass-skate bicycle, and for your many other contributions to Wikipedia. </p><p>I will watch this spot, if you wish to comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Comfr" title="User:Comfr">Comfr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Comfr" title="User talk:Comfr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z","author":"Comfr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Comfr-2014-12-22T20:34:00.000Z-Two-mass-skate_bicycle"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Interview_for_The_Signpost-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost"],"text":"Interview for The Signpost","linkableTitle":"Interview for The Signpost"}--><h2 id="Interview_for_The_Signpost" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interview_for_The_Signpost-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interview_for_The_Signpost-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Interview for <i>The Signpost</i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interview_for_The_Signpost-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Interview for The Signpost"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Interview_for_The_Signpost-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost","timestamp":"2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Interview_for_The_Signpost-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost"],"text":"Interview for The Signpost","linkableTitle":"Interview for The Signpost"}--></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost"></span>This is being sent to you as a member of WikiProject Articles for creation</i> </p><p>The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Articles for creation for a <i>Signpost</i> article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject_desk/Interviews" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews">here are the questions for the interview</a></b>. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Thanks, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Rcsprinter123" title="User:Rcsprinter123"><span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:10pt; color:#DC143C">Rcsprinter<sub>123</sub></span></a> </b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rcsprinter123" title="User talk:Rcsprinter123"><span style="font-family:century gothic; font-size:9.5pt; color:#488AC7">(babble)</span></a> <small>@</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 4 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Rcsprinter123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rcsprinter123-2015-01-04T20:35:00.000Z-Interview_for_The_Signpost"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Unicycle_Links-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links"],"text":"Unicycle Links","linkableTitle":"Unicycle Links"}--><h2 id="Unicycle_Links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unicycle_Links-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unicycle_Links-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Unicycle Links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unicycle_Links-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Unicycle Links"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Unicycle_Links-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Unicycle_Links-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links"],"text":"Unicycle Links","linkableTitle":"Unicycle Links"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links"></span>Yes you are right. No limits on Wikilinks. Was doing a clear out on various articles of external links which were dead, incorrect or promotional and I was too keen. However a list a manufacturers is not very informative without a link at all. Maybe those that aren't Wikilinked should go -<a href="/wiki/User:Robynthehode" title="User:Robynthehode">Robynthehode</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robynthehode" title="User talk:Robynthehode">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 23 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Robynthehode","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z-Unicycle_Links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I agree with you about the list items that do not link to a separate article. That is the criteria in the <a href="/wiki/List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies" title="List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies">List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies</a> and <a href="/wiki/Tandem_bicycle" title="Tandem bicycle">Tandem bicycle</a> articles. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2015-01-23T19:31:00.000Z-Robynthehode-2015-01-23T17:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"],"text":"Edit warrring on wheel truing stand","linkableTitle":"Edit warrring on wheel truing stand"}--><h2 id="Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"></span>Edit warrring on wheel truing stand<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Edit warrring on wheel truing stand"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"],"text":"Edit warrring on wheel truing stand","linkableTitle":"Edit warrring on wheel truing stand"}--></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Stop icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/45px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/60px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit war</a>. 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Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—<b>even if you don't violate the three-revert rule</b>—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wuerzele" title="User:Wuerzele">Wuerzele</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wuerzele" title="User talk:Wuerzele">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","author":"Wuerzele","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand","replies":["c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z-Edit_warrring_on_wheel_truing_stand"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"></span>P.S. Before I ever accuse someone as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandal" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Vandal">WP:vandal</a>, as you did on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Wheel_truing_stand" title="Talk:Wheel truing stand">Talk:wheel truing stand</a>, I look at their editing history, their user page. I first rule out an honest error, before insulting someone.( You didnt and shot from the hip)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Your userpage <i>very</i> proudly claims that you are one of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBE">5,000 most active wikipedians</a> of "all time" (which is idiotic hybris if you think about it - how can anyone claim into the future? ) I honestly cannot find you as such and not even as one of the 10,000. Looks like this decor is a shot in the foot. Have you ever thought about removing your unsourced (maybe outdated?) claim, before someone -equally martially as yourself- accuses/shoots <i>you</i> of misconduct? Live and let live, man--<a href="/wiki/User:Wuerzele" title="User:Wuerzele">Wuerzele</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wuerzele" title="User talk:Wuerzele">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z","author":"Wuerzele","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T06:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z"></span>Let's see... <ol><li>The link you inserted in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wheel_truing_stand&oldid=645834743">this edit</a> is to <a href="/wiki/Howard_Hawkins" class="mw-disambig" title="Howard Hawkins">Howard Hawkins</a>, "an American politician and activist with the Green Party of the United States."</li> <li>I checked the link you inserted, and even though I reside in Milwaukee, as my user page indicates, and ride a bicycle to work every day, I did not find any indication that the linked article mentioned truing stands, so I removed it with the edit summary "No mention of truing stand in linked article."</li> <li>You reinserted the link with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wheel_truing_stand&direction=next&oldid=645840558">this edit</a> to an article about "an American politician" without addressing the issue of there being no mention of truing stands that article. Your edit summary simply asserted that it was "sourced" material,</li> <li>I once again checked all the sources provide in the article, read the linked article, and found no mention of a connection between truing stands and the subject of the linked article. I even checked your user page, but I found no mention of bicycles or cycling, so I removed it again with the edit summary "No source provided. No mention of truing stand in linked article. Stop adding link spam."</li> <li>I came to this talk page and itemized the reasons for removing the link.</li> <li>You went to my talk page, accused me of edit warring, and began making personal attacks:</li></ol> <dl><dd><dl><dd>a. I display idiotic hubris by having some little box on my user page.</dd> <dd>b. I display unsourced and maybe outdated claims on my user page. Simply following the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits#4001.E2.80.935000" title="Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits">provided link</a> would lead you to the list which indicates that I have made 14,489 and which lists me as the 4628th active editor.</dd> <dd>c. I "shot from the hip" when I did no such thing.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>7. You came to this talk page and began making more, uninformed personal attacks: <dl><dd>a. I don't ride the right type of bike to edit this article correctly.</dd> <dd>b. I don't live in the right location to edit this article correctly.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>8. You finally discovered your mistake and inserted a link to the correct article with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wheel_truing_stand&direction=next&oldid=645844543">this edit</a> and falsely suggested that you were reverting my edit with the edit summary "Undid revision 645844543 by AndrewDressel".</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Obviously there is no reason to revert your third attempt to insert the correct link, because you finally inserted the correct link. If you had instead, continued to insert the incorrect link, I believe that my previous assessment would have been correct. It would have been spam at best, and more-likely persistent vandalism. I stand by every edit I make, and I sign my real name. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2015-02-06T12:16:00.000Z-Wuerzele-2015-02-06T07:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ownership_issues,_much?-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?"],"text":"Ownership issues, much?","linkableTitle":"Ownership issues, much?"}--><h2 id="Ownership_issues,_much?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ownership_issues,_much?-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"><span id="Ownership_issues.2C_much.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ownership_issues,_much?-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Tubeless_tire" title="Tubeless tire">Ownership issues, much?</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ownership_issues,_much?-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Ownership issues, much?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ownership_issues,_much?-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ownership_issues,_much?-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?"],"text":"Ownership issues, much?","linkableTitle":"Ownership issues, much?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?"></span>I'm not going to edit war with you over something so pedantic, but I think you should probably acknowledge that it appears you are not being NPOV on this issue based on your biases as a bike wrench. - <a href="/wiki/User:CompliantDrone" title="User:CompliantDrone">CompliantDrone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CompliantDrone" title="User talk:CompliantDrone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","author":"CompliantDrone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z-Ownership_issues,_much?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"></span>You have made some hilarious accusations, but let's examine each of them in turn, just in case you were serious. To be clear, we are talking about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tubeless_tire&diff=654944165&oldid=654924927">this edit of mine</a>, right? <ul><li>You seem to suggest that I am somehow being <a href="/wiki/Pedantic" class="mw-redirect" title="Pedantic">pedantic</a>, that is excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, and precision, or making an ostentatious and arrogant show of learning.</li></ul> <dl><dd>I didn't add the odd detail suggesting that traditional pneumatic tire designs, which required a separate inner tube, are somehow specific to automobiles. I simply removed it with the edit summary "inner tubes not specific to automobiles." I cannot see how my actions can be construed as excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, and precision, or how I might have made an ostentatious or arrogant show. Perhaps you are thinking of another meaning of the word "pedantic".</dd></dl> <ul><li>You appear to feel that I am somehow not editing with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">neutral point of view</a>.</li></ul> <dl><dd>What point of view exactly are you suggesting I am exhibiting? If anything, by removing the limitation that separate inner tubes are somehow specific to automobiles, I am actually demonstrating the most neutral point of view. I fail to see what my experience as a bicycle mechanic could possible have anything to do with allowing the description of tubed tires to include motorcycle tires, truck tires, tractor tires, etc.</dd></dl> <ul><li>You question whether I am <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWNBEHAVIOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWNBEHAVIOR">exhibiting ownership behavior</a> of the article.</li></ul> <dl><dd>I have made five edits to that article in the past year, out of 23 total edits, and none in the two years before that. You have made nine edits over the same three years. How anyone could construe that as me exhibiting ownership of this article is a mystery to me. On the other hand, I have done some research on tires, I have created several tire-related articles, and continually work to improve them. If you mean to accuse me of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STEWARDSHIP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STEWARDSHIP">stewardship</a>, then I take that as a compliment.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>After careful consideration, I am afraid that your comments just sound like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GRAPES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GRAPES">sour grapes</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 5 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-04T19:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z"></span>So you won't mind that I rolled back your removal of material. - <a href="/wiki/User:CompliantDrone" title="User:CompliantDrone">CompliantDrone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CompliantDrone#top" title="User talk:CompliantDrone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z","author":"CompliantDrone","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2015-04-05T23:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z"></span>No. In fact I thought I had restored that NYT reference. That's why I wrote "NYT is a good source" in my edit summary. Thank you for correcting my mistake. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 6 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2015-04-06T01:24:00.000Z-CompliantDrone-2015-04-06T00:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-fat_bike_entry-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry"],"text":"fat bike entry","linkableTitle":"fat bike entry"}--><h2 id="fat_bike_entry" data-mw-thread-id="h-fat_bike_entry-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-fat_bike_entry-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z"></span>fat bike entry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-fat_bike_entry-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: fat bike entry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-fat_bike_entry-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry","timestamp":"2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-fat_bike_entry-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry"],"text":"fat bike entry","linkableTitle":"fat bike entry"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry"></span>Hello Andrew, I was trying to edit and add to the fat bike entry to get the facts straight and to give pioneers in fat bike making like Mark Gronewald from Palmer credit for what he did. He created the first fat bike. Mark named it a fat bike and gets no credit for that. He met Ray Molina at Interbike in Lad Vegas in '99 when Ray brought a prototype with him from New Nexico. Mark Gronewald, created a bike with the help of welder John Evingson from Anchorage and built a bike that could accommodate the 80 mm Remolino rims and Remolino tires that Ray Molina had produced in Mexico. Thanks Kathi Merchant Iditarod Trail Invitational race director my email:katharinamerchant@yahoo.com or info@alaskaultrasport.com (formerly known as Iditasport) The bike event on the Iditarod Trail was actually the driver of the development of fat bikes for the race. Both Ray Molina and Mark Gronewald have done the race in 2000 and 2001. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Alaskaultra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alaskaultra (page does not exist)">Alaskaultra</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alaskaultra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Alaskaultra (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alaskaultra" title="Special:Contributions/Alaskaultra">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Alaskaultra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaskaultra-2015-04-06T18:30:00.000Z-fat_bike_entry"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Humber_(bicycle)-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)","c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"],"text":"Humber (bicycle)","linkableTitle":"Humber (bicycle)"}--><h2 id="Humber_(bicycle)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Humber_(bicycle)-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z"><span id="Humber_.28bicycle.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Humber_(bicycle)-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Humber_(bicycle)" class="mw-redirect" title="Humber (bicycle)">Humber (bicycle)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Humber_(bicycle)-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Humber (bicycle)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Humber_(bicycle)-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)","c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Humber_(bicycle)-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)","c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"],"text":"Humber (bicycle)","linkableTitle":"Humber (bicycle)"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"></span>There must be a misunderstanding, please can you explain better than in edit summary? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Eddaido" title="User:Eddaido">Eddaido</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eddaido" title="User talk:Eddaido">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 4 May 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z","author":"Eddaido","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eddaido-2015-05-04T03:14:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"></span>Andrew, you are very quiet. The article named above seems to be an accumulation of sundry, possibly related facts. One of the stranger ones is this: "One model is the Humber Sport 3-speed pictured on this page." Where is this picture?<br/> </p><p>I have plans to re-cast this page with better info. I feel sure you are able to contribute a great deal more. <br/>Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Eddaido" title="User:Eddaido">Eddaido</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eddaido" title="User talk:Eddaido">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z","author":"Eddaido","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z-Humber_(bicycle)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z"></span>The picture is in the gallery at the bottom of the page. See what you can do. I do not have the time right now to work on it. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2015-07-31T13:25:00.000Z-Eddaido-2015-07-31T05:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies"],"text":"List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies","linkableTitle":"List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies"}--><h2 id="List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies" title="List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies">List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-05-14T13:59:00.000Z-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-05-14T13:59:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies"],"text":"List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies","linkableTitle":"List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies"></span>Hi, </p><p>I added a couple of bicycle brands on your page which were missing, but I just found out that you delete them. I would like to know what was wrong with the addition on the page. </p><p>Thanks, Ank001. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ankz001&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ankz001 (page does not exist)">Ankz001</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ankz001" title="User talk:Ankz001">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ankz001" title="Special:Contributions/Ankz001">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ankz001-2015-05-14T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies"><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in"],"text":"an article you might be interested in","linkableTitle":"an article you might be interested in"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in"></span>I'm getting into a disagreement over on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_cooperative" title="Talk:Bicycle cooperative">Bicycle cooperative talk</a> page, with an editor who insists that Bicycle cooperatives are not cooperatives. Maybe I'm being too pedantic, (or maybe the article is just too much of a mess to be worth trying to fix) but I'd like your point of view if you have a moment. --<a href="/wiki/User:Keithonearth" title="User:Keithonearth">Keithonearth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Keithonearth" title="User talk:Keithonearth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z","author":"Keithonearth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Keithonearth-2015-06-15T08:13:00.000Z-an_article_you_might_be_interested_in"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer"],"text":"Eug\u00e8ne Meyer","linkableTitle":"Eug\u00e8ne Meyer"}--><h2 id="Eugène_Meyer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eugène_Meyer-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"><span id="Eug.C3.A8ne_Meyer"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eugène_Meyer-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Eugène Meyer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eugène_Meyer-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Eugène Meyer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer"],"text":"Eug\u00e8ne Meyer","linkableTitle":"Eug\u00e8ne Meyer"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eugène_Meyer"></span>You have to now go back and change all the links for incoming articles for "Eugene Meyer" to "Eugene Meyer (financier)". See <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Eugene_Meyer&limit=500">here</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eugène_Meyer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eugène_Meyer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","author":"Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eug\u00e8ne_Meyer","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z-Eugène_Meyer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Good point. I did a search for what to do in this situation, and couldn't find anything, so did the best I could. Not so great, obviously. Is there a better solution? You seem to be familiar with biographical articles. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-2015-06-23T16:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I am trying to find his birth and death years, do you have any clues, other than his age at death? Some of the Alsatian birth records are online.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation"],"text":"Unassisted Bike Animation","linkableTitle":"Unassisted Bike Animation"}--><h2 id="Unassisted_Bike_Animation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z"></span>Unassisted Bike Animation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Unassisted Bike Animation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-03T20:54:00.000Z-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-11-03T20:54:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Unassisted_Bike_Animation-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation"],"text":"Unassisted Bike Animation","linkableTitle":"Unassisted Bike Animation"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation"></span>Nice piece of work sir, enjoyed! </p><p>I authored a free piece of software available on the www.recumbents.com homepage (2nd thing under the world record bike article). I am a retired software engineer and an upright cyclist (bronze medalist in the US Senior Nationals in the triathlon in 2007). </p><p>As a software engineer I designed and authored the first PC based flight simulator with shading over 30 years ago (boy 3D programming was tough back then!). </p><p>At any rate, I was considering adding a "frame simulator" to the shell builder software. I can do the physics of turn rate and momentum, center of gravity and the force angle applied to the frame but didn't have an approach to produce turn angle based off front geometry and lean. Can you point me in the right direction? Probably could gather some empirical info off my uprights that do nothing but hang from the ceiling these days! </p><p>Thanks for any consideration you feel like giving. If you don't feel proprietary about the loop you used to generate the data for the graphics, I could reverse engineer the mechanical behavior out of it unless it was just a "hey it looks like this thing w/o the real physics behind it" sort of animation. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shooky56&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shooky56 (page does not exist)">Shooky56</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shooky56" title="User talk:Shooky56">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z","author":"Shooky56","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-03T20:54:00.000Z-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z-Unassisted_Bike_Animation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-03T20:54:00.000Z-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I can point you in a good direction. The correct linearized equations along with the MATLAB program to specify values and calculate responses are available for free download at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ruina.tam.cornell.edu/research/topics/bicycle_mechanics/JBike6_web_folder/">http://ruina.tam.cornell.edu/research/topics/bicycle_mechanics/JBike6_web_folder/</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>They were validated in this paper: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/royprsa/463/2084/1955.full.pdf">http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/royprsa/463/2084/1955.full.pdf</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>The little animation I posted are from the non-linear equations I implemented from Schwab's class notes. I confirmed that they agree with the benchmarked linearized equations in this paper: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/adressel/www/publications/DETC2011-47344.pdf">https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/adressel/www/publications/DETC2011-47344.pdf</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Good luck. Let me know if I can help further, and I look forward to hearing about your progress. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-03T20:54:00.000Z-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-03T20:54:00.000Z-Shooky56-2015-11-03T19:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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Tretlagerschaltung"}--><h2 id="Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung" data-mw-thread-id="h-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z"><span id="Link_in_German_.2F_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_.2F_Tretlagerschaltung"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z"></span>Link in German / English for Gearbox bicycle / Tretlagerschaltung<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Link in German / English for Gearbox bicycle / Tretlagerschaltung"><span>edit</span></a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AndrewDressel-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Link_in_German_\/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_\/_Tretlagerschaltung-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z-Link_in_German_\/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_\/_Tretlagerschaltung"],"text":"Link in German \/ English for Gearbox bicycle \/ Tretlagerschaltung","linkableTitle":"Link in German \/ English for Gearbox bicycle \/ Tretlagerschaltung"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung"></span>Greetings, </p><p>I would like to propose to add a refference between the Articles written in German and English. </p><p>Tretlagerschaltung <a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretlagerschaltung">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretlagerschaltung</a> </p><p>Gearbox bicycle <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gearbox_bicycle">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gearbox_bicycle</a> </p><p>Best regards </p> <dl><dd>Done. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 30 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2015-11-30T02:53:00.000Z-Link_in_German_/_English_for_Gearbox_bicycle_/_Tretlagerschaltung"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison","timestamp":"2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison"],"text":"Edit-a-thon in Madison","linkableTitle":"Edit-a-thon in Madison"}--></div></div></div> <table align="right"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Art-and-feminism.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="inline"><img alt="inline" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Art-and-feminism.svg/100px-Art-and-feminism.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Art-and-feminism.svg/150px-Art-and-feminism.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Art-and-feminism.svg/199px-Art-and-feminism.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="612" data-file-height="768"/></a><figcaption>inline</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Madison_Public_Library_interior_(9913742865).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="inline"><img alt="inline" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Madison_Public_Library_interior_%289913742865%29.jpg/223px-Madison_Public_Library_interior_%289913742865%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="223" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Madison_Public_Library_interior_%289913742865%29.jpg/335px-Madison_Public_Library_interior_%289913742865%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Madison_Public_Library_interior_%289913742865%29.jpg/445px-Madison_Public_Library_interior_%289913742865%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5184" data-file-height="2916"/></a><figcaption>inline</figcaption></figure> </td></tr></tbody></table><p> AndrewDressel, I'd like to invite you to an upcoming edit-a-thon: </p><blockquote style="background-color:#FFE5B8; border-left:3px solid #FFA200; padding:0 .8em; margin:0;"> <dl><dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Madison/ArtAndFeminism_2016" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Madison/ArtAndFeminism 2016">ART+FEMINISM EDIT-A-THON</a></b></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Saturday, March 5th</b>, 9:30 a.m. – noon</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Madison_Public_Library_(Madison,_Wisconsin)" title="Madison Public Library (Madison, Wisconsin)">Madison Public Library (Madison, Wisconsin)</a></li> <li>Bring a laptop! There will be snacks and daycare</li></ul> </blockquote> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Madison/ArtAndFeminism_2016#Register" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Madison/ArtAndFeminism 2016">RSVP on the event page</a></b> if you plan to attend or have any suggestions. <span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Czar" title="User talk:Czar"><span style="font:bold small-caps 1.2em Avenir;color:#B048B5">czar</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Czar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Czar-2016-02-01T00:53:00.000Z-Edit-a-thon_in_Madison"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small>You received this message because you are a member of <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Wisconsin" title="Category:Wikipedians in Wisconsin">Category:Wikipedians in Wisconsin</a>. To opt-in to future Madison event messages, add yourself to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Madison/invite" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Madison/invite">the mailing list</a>.</small></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Treadmill-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill"],"text":"Treadmill","linkableTitle":"Treadmill"}--><h2 id="Treadmill" data-mw-thread-id="h-Treadmill-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Treadmill-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z"></span>Treadmill<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Treadmill-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Treadmill"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Treadmill-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill","timestamp":"2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Treadmill-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill"],"text":"Treadmill","linkableTitle":"Treadmill"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill"></span>Hi AndrewDressel, </p><p>Regarding the article "Treadmill" I wonder why was my edition deleted with "linkspam with poor translation". Don't you find my contribution significant? Have you found such a complete guide somewhere? Please check the link again if you like. </p><p>I wonder what was wrong with it. Please let me know, thanks --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikidomainer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikidomainer (page does not exist)">Wikidomainer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikidomainer" title="User talk:Wikidomainer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z","author":"Wikidomainer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikidomainer-2016-03-20T12:04:00.000Z-Treadmill"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Dini's_Surface-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface"],"text":"Dini's Surface","linkableTitle":"Dini's Surface"}--><h2 id="Dini's_Surface" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dini's_Surface-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"><span id="Dini.27s_Surface"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dini's_Surface-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"></span>Dini's Surface<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dini's_Surface-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Dini's Surface"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Dini's_Surface-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z","timestamp":"2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Dini's_Surface-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface"],"text":"Dini's Surface","linkableTitle":"Dini's Surface"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface"></span>Old external link does not work so i have changed your dini's surface page with my own. Then You don't accept my change - please remove. --<a href="/wiki/User:A.kotlorz" title="User:A.kotlorz">A.kotlorz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.kotlorz" title="User talk:A.kotlorz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","author":"A.kotlorz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z-Dini's_Surface"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"></span>If you checked the edit history, you would see that some other editor removed you external link. Not me. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 13 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z-A.kotlorz-2016-04-13T04:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z"></span>I am very satisfied with your current dini's surface page without external links, (although Melcous has my change so trivial understood :-) (or misunderstood?). btw I am a theoretical physicist and privately I also love road bikes so thanks for your wiki information on bicycles! -<a href="/wiki/User:A.kotlorz" title="User:A.kotlorz">A.kotlorz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.kotlorz" title="User talk:A.kotlorz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z","author":"A.kotlorz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.kotlorz-2016-04-14T03:44:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2016-04-13T11:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Popular_Science-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science"],"text":"Popular Science","linkableTitle":"Popular Science"}--><h2 id="Popular_Science" data-mw-thread-id="h-Popular_Science-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Popular_Science-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z"></span>Popular Science<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Popular_Science-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Popular Science"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Popular_Science-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science","timestamp":"2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Popular_Science-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science"],"text":"Popular Science","linkableTitle":"Popular Science"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science"></span>Sure it's "Popular" Science but you'd hope they would know the difference between rubber and polyurethane. Thanks for tracking this down. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kendall-K1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kendall-K1 (page does not exist)">Kendall-K1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kendall-K1" title="User talk:Kendall-K1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z","author":"Kendall-K1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kendall-K1-2016-06-02T17:21:00.000Z-Popular_Science"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"],"text":"File:Tilting ball variator.jpg to Commons?","linkableTitle":"File:Tilting ball variator.jpg to Commons?"}--><h2 id="File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z"><span id="File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg" title="File:Tilting ball variator.jpg">File:Tilting ball variator.jpg</a> to Commons?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: File:Tilting ball variator.jpg to Commons?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?","timestamp":"2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"],"text":"File:Tilting ball variator.jpg to Commons?","linkableTitle":"File:Tilting ball variator.jpg to Commons?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"></span>Hi Andrew, do you object transferring it to Commons? If not, wouldn't you like to do it yourself? Ohterwise I could. --<a href="/wiki/User:Schmarrnintelligenz" title="User:Schmarrnintelligenz">S</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schmarrnintelligenz" title="User talk:Schmarrnintelligenz">I</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z","author":"Schmarrnintelligenz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?","replies":[],"displayName":"S"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schmarrnintelligenz-2016-06-08T10:50:00.000Z-File:Tilting_ball_variator.jpg_to_Commons?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Thomas_Humber-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber","c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"],"text":"Thomas Humber","linkableTitle":"Thomas Humber"}--><h2 id="Thomas_Humber" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thomas_Humber-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thomas_Humber-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Thomas_Humber" title="Thomas Humber">Thomas Humber</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thomas_Humber-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Thomas Humber"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Thomas_Humber-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber","c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber","timestamp":"2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Thomas_Humber-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber","c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"],"text":"Thomas Humber","linkableTitle":"Thomas Humber"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"></span>Someone has disputed statements on this page leaving a comment within the text in capital letters. </p><p>I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort this out. Are you able to do that? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Eddaido" title="User:Eddaido">Eddaido</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eddaido" title="User talk:Eddaido">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","author":"Eddaido","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. I tried to clean it up. We'll see if it sticks. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2016-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Eddaido-2016-11-15T02:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"></span>Hi Andrew, </p><p>Thanks for letting me know about my mistake. Actually the before youtube video was deleted by youtube so to provide generic information i replaced it with another link which implies actual information on bikes as well as modified the anchor as it will help other readers to know what kind of external link it is. </p><p>Sorry for the inconvenience caused by me. Hoping you would revert it back </p><p>Regards, Raj Hirvate. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Raj4770&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Raj4770 (page does not exist)">Raj4770</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raj4770#top" title="User talk:Raj4770">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Raj4770" title="Special:Contributions/Raj4770">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 17 November 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raj4770-2016-11-17T13:18:00.000Z-Thomas_Humber"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Merge-arrows.svg/100px-Merge-arrows.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="50" data-file-height="20"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> An article that you have been involved in editing—<a href="/wiki/Bixi_(company)" class="mw-redirect" title="Bixi (company)">Bixi (company) </a>—has been <b>proposed for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">merging</a></b> with <a href="/wiki/PBSC_Urban_Solutions" class="mw-redirect" title="PBSC Urban Solutions">PBSC Urban Solutions</a>. If you are interested, please participate in <a href="/wiki/Talk:PBSC_Urban_Solutions#Merger_Proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:PBSC Urban Solutions">the merger discussion</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Mindfrieze" title="User:Mindfrieze">Mindfrieze</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mindfrieze" title="User talk:Mindfrieze">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Mindfrieze-2017-02-08T22:45:00.000Z-Merger_discussion_for_Bixi_(company)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mindfrieze-2017-02-08T22:45:00.000Z-Merger_discussion_for_Bixi_(company)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-08T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Mindfrieze","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mindfrieze-2017-02-08T22:45:00.000Z-Merger_discussion_for_Bixi_(company)","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mindfrieze-2017-02-08T22:45:00.000Z-Merger_discussion_for_Bixi_(company)"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merger_discussion_for_City_bicycle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merger_discussion_for_City_bicycle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merger_discussion_for_City_bicycle"></span>Merger discussion for <a href="/wiki/City_bicycle" class="mw-redirect" title="City bicycle">City bicycle</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merger_discussion_for_City_bicycle"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Merger discussion for City bicycle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merger_discussion_for_City_bicycle","replies":[]}}--></div> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Merge-arrows.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Merge-arrows.svg/50px-Merge-arrows.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Merge-arrows.svg/75px-Merge-arrows.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Merge-arrows.svg/100px-Merge-arrows.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="50" data-file-height="20"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> An article that you have been involved in editing—<a href="/wiki/City_bicycle" class="mw-redirect" title="City bicycle">City bicycle</a>—has been <b>proposed for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">merging</a></b> with another article. If you are interested, please participate in <a href="/wiki/City_bicycle#Merger_proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="City bicycle">the merger discussion</a>. Thank you. João Pimentel Ferreira 22:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Joao.pimentel.ferreira" title="User:Joao.pimentel.ferreira">Joao.pimentel.ferreira</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joao.pimentel.ferreira#top" title="User talk:Joao.pimentel.ferreira">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Joao.pimentel.ferreira" title="Special:Contributions/Joao.pimentel.ferreira">contribs</a>) </small> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Gear_Inches_Edit-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit"],"text":"Gear Inches Edit","linkableTitle":"Gear Inches Edit"}--><h2 id="Gear_Inches_Edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gear_Inches_Edit-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gear_Inches_Edit-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z"></span>Gear Inches Edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gear_Inches_Edit-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Gear Inches Edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Gear_Inches_Edit-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit","timestamp":"2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Gear_Inches_Edit-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit"],"text":"Gear Inches Edit","linkableTitle":"Gear Inches Edit"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit"></span>Hi Andrew Just wanted to apologise regarding the edit I made associated with the calculation of a 700C wheel with tyre and its size conversion from mm to inches. I took me a few minutes to understand why I made the incorrect amendment. Essentially I took the 622mm wheel + 2 x 23mm tyre totalling 668mm and divided that by 25.4 However I jumbled the 668mm and calculated 688mm/25.4 resulting in my incorrect answer I remember checking it 3 or times before making amendment - just a bad day I think, nothing malicious </p><p>Thanks for rolling back the edit - I will be very sure in the future to ensure that I don't make these types of silly mistakes again!! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cotters07&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cotters07 (page does not exist)">Cotters07</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cotters07&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Cotters07 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Cotters07","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cotters07-2017-04-03T21:10:00.000Z-Gear_Inches_Edit"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_trail_calculation-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation"],"text":"Bicycle trail calculation","linkableTitle":"Bicycle trail calculation"}--><h2 id="Bicycle_trail_calculation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bicycle_trail_calculation-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bicycle_trail_calculation-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Bicycle trail calculation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bicycle_trail_calculation-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Bicycle trail calculation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_trail_calculation-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z","timestamp":"2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_trail_calculation-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation"],"text":"Bicycle trail calculation","linkableTitle":"Bicycle trail calculation"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation"></span>Shouldn't the bicycle trail be ( RsubW x Cos(AsubH) / Sin(AsubH) ) - (OsubF x sin(AsubH) ) ? </p><p>That is, the offset is a distance, OsubF, along a perpendicular to the steering axis. </p><p>The steering axis is at a head angle, AsubH, to the horizontal. </p><p>The projection of the offset to the horizontal = Osubf x sin(AsubH). </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/104.59.204.68" title="Special:Contributions/104.59.204.68">104.59.204.68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:104.59.204.68" title="User talk:104.59.204.68">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","author":"104.59.204.68","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z-Bicycle_trail_calculation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Yes, and that is equivalent to how it is presented in the <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry" title="Bicycle and motorcycle geometry">bicycle and motorcycle geometry</a> article. The only difference is the two fractions you describe are combined into one. Is it presented differently elsewhere? -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z"></span>Putting both parts over the same denominator results in <dl><dd>( (RsubW x Cos(AsubH)) - (OsubF x sin^2(AsubH) ) / Sin(AsubH) <dl><dd>NOT</dd></dl></dd> <dd>( (RsubW x Cos(AsubH)) - OsubF ) / Sin(AsubH) , right?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>That is, ( RsubW x Cos(AsubH) / Sin(AsubH) ) - (OsubF x sin(AsubH) ) <dl><dd>= ( RsubW x Cos(AsubH) / Sin(AsubH) ) - (Sin(AsubH)/ Sin(AsubH)) x (OsubF x sin(AsubH) )</dd> <dd>= ( (RsubW x Cos(AsubH)) - (OsubF x sin^2(AsubH) ) / Sin(AsubH)</dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/104.59.204.68" title="Special:Contributions/104.59.204.68">104.59.204.68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:104.59.204.68" title="User talk:104.59.204.68">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z","author":"104.59.204.68","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-07-12T14:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I see now that I misread your message. I apologize. With closer scrutiny, I believe I see your mistake: the projection of the offset onto the ground must along the steering axis, not along the vertical, and so must be must be Osubf / sin(AsubH), not OsubF x sin(AsubH).</dd> <dd>See the images and derivations pasted below for details. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2017-07-13T17:45:00.000Z-104.59.204.68-2017-07-13T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf" class="mw-file-description" title="A derivation of the expressions for calculating bicycle and motorcycle trail from wheel radius, steering axis angle, and fork offset"><img alt="A derivation of the expressions for calculating bicycle and motorcycle trail from wheel radius, steering axis angle, and fork offset" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf/page1-1275px-Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf.jpg" decoding="async" width="1275" height="1650" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf/page1-1913px-Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf/page1-2550px-Bicycle_and_Motorcycle_Trail.pdf.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1275" data-file-height="1650"/></a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-removal_of_soundfile-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile"],"text":"removal of soundfile","linkableTitle":"removal of soundfile"}--><h2 id="removal_of_soundfile" data-mw-thread-id="h-removal_of_soundfile-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-removal_of_soundfile-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"></span>removal of soundfile<span data-mw-comment-end="h-removal_of_soundfile-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: removal of soundfile"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-removal_of_soundfile-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","timestamp":"2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-removal_of_soundfile-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile"],"text":"removal of soundfile","linkableTitle":"removal of soundfile"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile"></span>hi andrew, i noticed you removed my contributed and CC usable sound file of a bicycle i've recorded. is it because i add that i recorded it? i could have removed that, if that was a problem? </p><p>hope to hear from you! <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ArnoudTraa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ArnoudTraa (page does not exist)">ArnoudTraa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoudTraa#top" title="User talk:ArnoudTraa">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ArnoudTraa" title="Special:Contributions/ArnoudTraa">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 4 August 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","author":"ArnoudTraa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z-removal_of_soundfile"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"></span>Nope. I removed it because, after listening to it, I didn't think it added anything useful to the article. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 4 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-04T12:54:00.000Z-ArnoudTraa-2017-08-04T11:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Uppadine_bicycles-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles"],"text":"Uppadine bicycles","linkableTitle":"Uppadine bicycles"}--><h2 id="Uppadine_bicycles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uppadine_bicycles-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uppadine_bicycles-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Uppadine bicycles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uppadine_bicycles-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Uppadine bicycles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Uppadine_bicycles-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","timestamp":"2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Uppadine_bicycles-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles"],"text":"Uppadine bicycles","linkableTitle":"Uppadine bicycles"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles"></span>Henry Uppadine was one of the very first people to manufacture racing bicycles for the tour to France… But he is omitted from your list of bicycle manufacturers... although the company is no longer in business it was pretty famous and there is a rumor that he did invent the Rams style handlebars.. I can't confirm that it's just from family folklore .. thank you <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17">2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","author":"2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z-Uppadine_bicycles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Well, I created the article: <a href="/wiki/Uppadine_Cycles" title="Uppadine Cycles">Uppadine Cycles</a>. There is not much source material available online. Feel free to add what you can. A picture would be great. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 8 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2017-08-08T13:48:00.000Z-2600:1:B04F:617C:F4F8:CA1:8CB8:F17-2017-08-08T01:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\"-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\""],"text":"\"seriously, a cite for the conversion but hot the fine?\"","linkableTitle":"\"seriously, a cite for the conversion but hot the fine?\""}--><h2 id=""seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?"-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"><span id=".22seriously.2C_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine.3F.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?"-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"></span>"seriously, a cite for the conversion but hot the fine?"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?"-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: "seriously, a cite for the conversion but hot the fine?""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\"-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\""]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Trekphiler-2017-11-07T06:56:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z","timestamp":"2017-11-07T06:56:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\"-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\""],"text":"\"seriously, a cite for the conversion but hot the fine?\"","linkableTitle":"\"seriously, a cite for the conversion but hot the fine?\""}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?""></span>I do not understand what you mean by this edit summary for your removal of the content I added. Is your objection with: </p> <ul><li>the conversion of 2 pounds in 1818 to $170 in 2017 for readers who have no idea how much 2 pounds might be worth in 1818,</li> <li>the source I provided for the conversion, or</li> <li>the lack of a source for the 2 pound fine?</li></ul> <p>You realize that the fact that the 2 pound fine is not yet sourced is no reason for there not to be a conversion and no reason for such a conversion not to be sourced, right? -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-\"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?\"","replies":["c-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z-"seriously,_a_cite_for_the_conversion_but_hot_the_fine?""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"></span>Which bothers me? All of them. The endless addition of conversions to modern values with no context at all is a plague; how much was ₤2 <i>worth</i> at the time? Because $170 today buys a lot more, in real terms, inflation adjusted or not, than ₤2 then. Yes, the conversion should be cited; no argument. Yes, the fine should be cited; no argument. Adding the conversion alone? I'm not seeing how it's worthwhile. <a href="/wiki/User:Trekphiler" title="User:Trekphiler"><span style="font-family:cursive; color:#1DACD6;">TREKphiler</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trekphiler" title="User talk:Trekphiler"><sup style="font-family:cursive; color:#880085;">any time you're ready, Uhura</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Trekphiler","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z"></span>Okay, that is information I can work with. Is there some other way to give the reader some idea of the value of 2 pounds in 1818? By itself, 2 pounds sounds trivial and would not seem like a reasonable explanation for the decline of the fad. On the other hand, $170 sounds like a lot and would seem like a reasonable explanation for the decline of the fad. Is there some better way to handle this other than just not handling it? -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 6 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z-Trekphiler-2017-11-06T16:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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color:#1DACD6;">TREKphiler</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trekphiler" title="User talk:Trekphiler"><sup style="font-family:cursive; color:#880085;">any time you're ready, Uhura</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Trekphiler-2017-11-07T06:56:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trekphiler-2017-11-07T06:56:00.000Z-AndrewDressel-2017-11-06T16:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z-Hybrid_Bicycle"></span>Hi Andrew, Thank you on behalf of those of us out here, who value and rely on the information contributed to information sites, Wikipedia in particular as the most widely known and valued. a quick note on a hybrid bicycle as being in the cycling industry for an extended period of time, hybrids in particular my main volume of sales. the hybrid as you put it far better than I could “blend characteristics from more specialized road bikes, touring bikes and mountain bikes.[1] The resulting "hybrid" is a general-purpose bike that can tolerate a wide range of riding conditions and applications.” </p><p>I can’t imagine the amount of messages you get from people, this my first response to anything as I was looking for more explanation for a hybrid, I could forward and will be using yours. The hybrid yes does borrow the flat style of a mountain bike, the mountain bike does not have an upright riding style, actually the complete opposite, as when riding a mountain bike your weight is positioned more forward as this provides for better handling when off-road, per a front wheel drive car on a slippery surface. -t <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ecobone&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ecobone (page does not exist)">Ecobone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ecobone#top" title="User talk:Ecobone">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ecobone" title="Special:Contributions/Ecobone">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z-Hybrid_Bicycle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z-Hybrid_Bicycle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z","author":"Ecobone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z-Hybrid_Bicycle","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z-Hybrid_Bicycle"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z"></span>I agree with your suggestion that the mountain bike does not inherently have an "upright riding style", but I question your argument for why it does not. I have not heard before your explanation that "when riding a mountain bike your weight is positioned more forward as this provides for better handling when off-road, per a front wheel drive car on a slippery surface," and I question the link between better front wheel traction and better handling.</dd> <dd>In any case, I will take a look at correcting the <a href="/wiki/Hybrid_bicycle" title="Hybrid bicycle">hybrid bicycle</a> article to no longer assert that mountain bikes have an upright riding style. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2017-11-29T14:07:00.000Z-Ecobone-2017-11-29T04:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pope_Manufacturing_Company-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company"],"text":"Pope Manufacturing Company","linkableTitle":"Pope Manufacturing Company"}--><h2 id="Pope_Manufacturing_Company" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pope_Manufacturing_Company-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pope_Manufacturing_Company-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Pope_Manufacturing_Company" title="Pope Manufacturing Company">Pope Manufacturing Company</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pope_Manufacturing_Company-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Pope Manufacturing Company"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pope_Manufacturing_Company-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company","timestamp":"2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pope_Manufacturing_Company-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company"],"text":"Pope Manufacturing Company","linkableTitle":"Pope Manufacturing Company"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company"></span>Hi Andrew: </p><p>It's good to see some interest in this article. </p><p>I made some edits to Pope Manufacturing Company and <a href="/wiki/Albert_A._Pope" class="mw-redirect" title="Albert A. Pope">Albert A. Pope</a> about three years ago. I have made some minor changes recently, but I have yet to do a careful reassessment. The motorized vehicles theme needs much more material. I am also interested in hearing from other editors about the bicycle part of the article. The secondary sources provide enough information. How well has the article summarized the material? cheers, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oldsanfelipe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oldsanfelipe (page does not exist)">Oldsanfelipe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oldsanfelipe" title="User talk:Oldsanfelipe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 5 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Oldsanfelipe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oldsanfelipe-2017-12-05T20:21:00.000Z-Pope_Manufacturing_Company"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-question_of_\"citation_spam\"-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_\"citation_spam\""],"text":"question of \"citation spam\"","linkableTitle":"question of \"citation spam\""}--><h2 id="question_of_"citation_spam"" data-mw-thread-id="h-question_of_"citation_spam"-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z"><span id="question_of_.22citation_spam.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-question_of_"citation_spam"-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z"></span>question of "citation spam"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-question_of_"citation_spam"-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: question of "citation spam""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-question_of_\"citation_spam\"-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_\"citation_spam\""]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_\"citation_spam\"","timestamp":"2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-question_of_\"citation_spam\"-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_\"citation_spam\""],"text":"question of \"citation spam\"","linkableTitle":"question of \"citation spam\""}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JH_Kirsch&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JH Kirsch (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_"citation_spam""></span>JH Kirsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JH_Kirsch" title="User talk:JH Kirsch">talk</a>) 17:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)This topic was already discussed in the German Wikipedia, please see <a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JH_Kirsch#Zusammenfassung">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JH_Kirsch#Zusammenfassung</a> - I am an editor of the journal Zeithistorische Forschungen/Studies in Contemporary History, but our articles are no "citation spam" and no advertisements, but valuable content available online (Open Access journal, peer-reviewed).<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JH_Kirsch&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JH Kirsch (page does not exist)">JH Kirsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JH_Kirsch" title="User talk:JH Kirsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_"citation_spam"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_"citation_spam""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z","author":"JH Kirsch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_\"citation_spam\"","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JH_Kirsch-2017-12-17T17:21:00.000Z-question_of_"citation_spam""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?"],"text":"Pneumatic trail diagram as SVG?","linkableTitle":"Pneumatic trail diagram as SVG?"}--><h2 id="Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"><span id="Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"></span>Pneumatic trail diagram as SVG?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Pneumatic trail diagram as SVG?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","timestamp":"2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?"],"text":"Pneumatic trail diagram as SVG?","linkableTitle":"Pneumatic trail diagram as SVG?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?"></span>Andrew, I am helping out with a new edition of the book Bicycling Science. I'd like to use your drawing <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tire_pneumatic_trail.png">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tire_pneumatic_trail.png</a>. However the resolution isn't high enough. Would you be willing to supply it as a SVG or at least higher-resolution PNG? <a href="/wiki/User:Theosch" title="User:Theosch">Theosch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theosch" title="User talk:Theosch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 8 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","author":"Theosch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z-Pneumatic_trail_diagram_as_SVG?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"></span>Theo, sure. Let's switch to email for the details. Can you find me at UWM without me posting my email address here? -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-08T12:53:00.000Z-Theosch-2018-03-08T07:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mountain_bike_article-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article"],"text":"Mountain bike article","linkableTitle":"Mountain bike article"}--><h2 id="Mountain_bike_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mountain_bike_article-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mountain_bike_article-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Mountain bike article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mountain_bike_article-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Mountain bike article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mountain_bike_article-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","timestamp":"2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mountain_bike_article-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article"],"text":"Mountain bike article","linkableTitle":"Mountain bike article"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article"></span>Please enlighten me. What is a Stumpjumper bike? I have never heard of it before. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456" title="Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456">2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456" title="User talk:2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","author":"2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z-Mountain_bike_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Ha! That's a good one. Someone editing Wikipedia who doesn't know how to use Wikipedia, and someone editing the mountain bike article who doesn't know about the Stumpjumper.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Well, let's suppose you're not joking and try to help you out. <ul><li>If you searched for "stumpjumper" on google, the first hit says "Mountain biking's come a long way since the Stumpjumper first debuted in '81."</li> <li>The second hit is for the wikipedia article, which opens with "The Specialized Stumpjumper is a mountain bike produced by Specialized Bicycle Components. When it was first produced in 1981, the Stumpjumper was the first mass-production mountain bike."</li> <li>If you clicked on the second reference provided to support the 1980s decade in the gears section of the mountain bike article, you would see the USA Today article which explains "this year marks the 25th anniversary of the first mass-produced mountain bike, the Specialized Stumpjumper. Since the introduction of the "Stumpy" in 1981."</li></ul></dd> <dd>I hope this helps, and next time, I'll do my best to include a wikilink in my edit summary. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewDressel-2018-03-17T14:04:00.000Z-2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:6C33:2CD9:8311:B456-2018-03-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_eigenvalues-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues"],"text":"Bicycle eigenvalues","linkableTitle":"Bicycle eigenvalues"}--><h2 id="Bicycle_eigenvalues" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bicycle_eigenvalues-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bicycle_eigenvalues-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Bicycle eigenvalues<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bicycle_eigenvalues-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Bicycle eigenvalues"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_eigenvalues-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2019-02-06T19:31:00.000Z-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","timestamp":"2019-02-06T19:31:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_eigenvalues-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues"],"text":"Bicycle eigenvalues","linkableTitle":"Bicycle eigenvalues"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues"></span>Hello, I am a Mechanical Engineering student and my project is to design a self stable bicycle. The bicycle will be run by a brushless dc motor and I want to get the eigenvalues as a function of forward speed to determine the range of speeds the bicycle is self stable. My question is when all of the terms of the linearized equation of motion of the bicycle are calculated , how can the eigenvalues of the equation be calculated? </p><p>Thank you for your time, Christofors Miltiadous <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.205.38.184" title="Special:Contributions/31.205.38.184">31.205.38.184</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:31.205.38.184#top" title="User talk:31.205.38.184">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 6 February 2019 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z","author":"31.205.38.184","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2019-02-06T19:31:00.000Z-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z-Bicycle_eigenvalues"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2019-02-06T19:31:00.000Z-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z"></span>First, in case you haven't already done this, you need to rewrite the equations in matrix form: <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle M\mathbf {\ddot {q}} +C\mathbf {\dot {q}} +K\mathbf {q} =\mathbf {f} }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>M</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mover> <mi mathvariant="bold">q</mi> <mo mathvariant="bold">¨<!-- ¨ --></mo> </mover> </mrow> </mrow> <mo>+</mo> <mi>C</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mover> <mi mathvariant="bold">q</mi> <mo mathvariant="bold">˙<!-- ˙ --></mo> </mover> </mrow> </mrow> <mo>+</mo> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">q</mi> </mrow> <mo>=</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">f</mi> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle M\mathbf {\ddot {q}} +C\mathbf {\dot {q}} +K\mathbf {q} =\mathbf {f} }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/fb3a4eca14d8eeb79804d51def73cc472289bc5c" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:20.354ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle M\mathbf {\ddot {q}} +C\mathbf {\dot {q}} +K\mathbf {q} =\mathbf {f} }"/></span> where where M = M0, C = C1*v, and K = K0 + K2*v^2</dd> <dd>Then there are at least four different methods of calculating eigenvalues in MATLAB directly from the matrix coefficients, similar to the ones provided in the Benchmark Paper: <ol><li>eig(A,B), to calculate the generalized eigenvalues λ such that Ax = λBx where A = [-C -K; eye(2) zeros(2)] and B = [M zeros(2); zeros(2) eye(2)];</li> <li>eig(C), to calculate the eigenvalues λ such that Cx = λx where C = [-M0^-1*C1*v, -M0^-1*(g*K0+v2*K2); eye(2), zeros(2)]</li> <li>roots(D) of the characteristic equation; and</li> <li>polyeig().</li></ol></dd> <dd>The first three methods produce eigenvalues that differ from those published in the Benchmark Paper by 1e-13 to 1e-16, usually 1e-14, depending on the particular method, the particular eigenmode, and the forward speed. The fourth, polyeig(), merely considers the first two methods as special cases.</dd> <dd>I provide more details in a 2011 ASME paper titled "Benchmarking Bicycle and Motorcycle Equations of Motion"</dd> <dd>Alternatively, you could just use JBike6, which calculates the eigenvalues for you.</dd> <dd>If none of this helps, look me up at UWM and email me at uwm.edu -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2019-02-06T19:31:00.000Z-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 6 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2019-02-06T19:31:00.000Z-31.205.38.184-2019-02-06T17:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:HopsonRoad" title="User:HopsonRoad">HopsonRoad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HopsonRoad" title="User talk:HopsonRoad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-HopsonRoad-2019-04-30T21:00:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Talk:Tire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 30 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HopsonRoad-2019-04-30T21:00:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Talk:Tire"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-30T21:00:00.000Z","author":"HopsonRoad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HopsonRoad-2019-04-30T21:00:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Talk:Tire","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HopsonRoad-2019-04-30T21:00:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Talk:Tire"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_Day-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day"],"text":"Bicycle Day","linkableTitle":"Bicycle Day"}--><h2 id="Bicycle_Day" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bicycle_Day-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bicycle_Day-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z"></span>Bicycle Day<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bicycle_Day-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: Bicycle Day"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_Day-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","timestamp":"2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bicycle_Day-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day"],"text":"Bicycle Day","linkableTitle":"Bicycle Day"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day"></span>Hi AndrewDressel, why did you revert my edits to <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_Day" class="mw-disambig" title="Bicycle Day">Bicycle Day</a>? Your edit summary says 'Remove image spam ', but I had already done that. And in reverting you also removed the other changes that I had made. all according to <a href="/wiki/MOS:DAB" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DAB">MOS:DAB</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Leschnei" title="User:Leschnei">Leschnei</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leschnei" title="User talk:Leschnei">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","author":"Leschnei","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z-Bicycle_Day"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z"></span>It must have been a mistake. I'm sorry, and I've undone it. -<a href="/wiki/User:AndrewDressel" title="User:AndrewDressel">AndrewDressel</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-AndrewDressel-2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewDressel-2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z","author":"AndrewDressel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AndrewDressel-2019-05-14T12:57:00.000Z-Leschnei-2019-05-14T02:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span 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The hits are mainly pages promoting these self-published books. Way down the list you get some academic work, but no signs that he's widely cited as an expert. Can you show me evidence that these self-published books, specifically, are considered to be authoritative? He has access to academic publishers (he has a normal amount of publications for an academic). I am deeply suspicious of any "reference" published via the world's most notorious vanity press: plenty of small craft presses exist that would publish niche work like this. <b><a href="/wiki/User:JzG" title="User:JzG">Guy</a></b> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JzG" title="User talk:JzG">help!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-JzG-2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z-Vittore_Cossalter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 27 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JzG-2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z-Vittore_Cossalter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z","author":"JzG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JzG-2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z-Vittore_Cossalter","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-2020-02-27T22:54:00.000Z-JzG-2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Guy"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JzG-2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z-Vittore_Cossalter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-2020-02-27T22:54:00.000Z-JzG-2020-02-27T22:06:00.000Z"></span>What google returns in a search is not a good indication of someone's stature in a field.</dd> <dd>Cossalter: <ol><li>founded the Motorcycle Dynamics Research Group at Padova in 1986.</li> <li>has 1251 citations on ResearchGate.</li> <li>has 548 citations on Google Scholar just for "Motorcycle Dynamics" alone, including in "Advances in the Modelling of Motorcycle Dynamics" by Sharp, Evangelou, and Limbeer, which also refers to him by name: "but Cossalter et al have pioneered the inclusion of tyre width in their descriptions." That is the same Sharp who coined the terms "weave", "wobbe", and "capsize" for the three main modes of a motorcycle in his 1971 paper, "The Stability and Control of Motorcycles", which itself has 568 citations on Google Scholar.</li></ol></dd> <dd>That's about as widely cited as you can get in the field of bike dynamics. 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Please see: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Claims_relating_to_locked_steering,_and_starting_things_from_rest,_etc" title="Talk:Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics">Talk:Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Claims_relating_to_locked_steering,_and_starting_things_from_rest,_etc</a> . <a href="/wiki/User:FrankSier" title="User:FrankSier">FrankSier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrankSier" title="User talk:FrankSier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-FrankSier-2020-07-18T13:56:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Balance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrankSier-2020-07-18T13:56:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Balance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-07-18T13:56:00.000Z","author":"FrankSier","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FrankSier-2020-07-18T13:56:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Balance","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrankSier-2020-07-18T13:56:00.000Z-Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Balance"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"],"text":"ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message","linkableTitle":"ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message"}--><h2 id="ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndrewDressel&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message","timestamp":"2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"],"text":"ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message","linkableTitle":"ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message"}--></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:33:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></td><td>Hello! 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And I don't mean a niche page, like a video game article that says something like "this game allows the player to use a hang off technique" - I mean a page on something like bike physics, racing, etc.<br/>Apparently Japan refers to it as a "hang-on" technique? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UltimateKuriboh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UltimateKuriboh (page does not exist)">UltimateKuriboh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UltimateKuriboh" title="User talk:UltimateKuriboh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-UltimateKuriboh-2021-11-17T20:10:00.000Z-Hang_On_/_Hang_Off" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2021-11-17T20:10:00.000Z-Hang_On_/_Hang_Off"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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color:black; background-color:#F0FFFF;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-01-01T16:35:00.000Z-The_WikiEagle_-_January_2022"></span><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikiwings2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Wikiwings2.png/200px-Wikiwings2.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="60" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Wikiwings2.png/300px-Wikiwings2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Wikiwings2.png/400px-Wikiwings2.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="150"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0px 2em; font-size:42px; text-align:center; font-family:Times New Roman;">The WikiEagle </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation"><span style="color:#008080;">WikiProject Aviation</span></a> Newsletter </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" border="1" width="100%" style="border:2px solid SkyBlue; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#white;"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="2" style="color:black; background-color:#87CEEB; padding:5px;">Volume I — Issue 1 </th></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:5px;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation">Aviation Project</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation">Project discussion</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Members" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Members">Members</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment">Assessment</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Outreach" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Outreach">Outreach</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/WikiEagle" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/WikiEagle"><i>The WikiEagle</i></a> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><span style="font-size:22px;"><i><b>Announcements</b></i></span> <hr/> <ul><li>After over a decade of silence, the WikiProject Aviation newsletter is making a comeback under the name <i>The WikiEagle</i>. This first issue was sent to all active members of the project and its <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation#Sub-projects" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation">sub-projects</a>. If you wish to continue receiving <i>The WikiEagle</i>, you can add your username to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/WikiEagle/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/WikiEagle/Subscribe">mailing list</a>. For now the newsletter only covers general project news and is run by only one editor. If you wish to help or to become a columnist, please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/WikiEagle" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/WikiEagle">let us know</a>. If you have an idea which you believe would improve the newsletter, please share it; suggestions are welcome and encouraged.</li> <li>On 16 December, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_361#RfC:_Reliability_of_theaerodrome.com" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 361">an RfC was closed</a> which determined <i>theaerodrome.com</i> to be an unreliable source. The website, which is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22theaerodrome.com%22&ns0=1">cited over 1,500 articles</a>, mainly on WWI aviation, as of the publishing of this issue.</li> <li><i>Luft46.com</i> has been added to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Resources#Problematic_sources" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Resources">list of problematic sources</a> after <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Resources#Luft'46_and_The_Aerodrome" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Resources">this discussion</a>.</li> <li>The <a href="/wiki/Jim_Lovell" title="Jim Lovell">Jim Lovell</a> article was <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jim_Lovell/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jim Lovell/archive1">promoted</a></b> to <i>Featured Article</i> status on 26 December after being nominated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hawkeye7">Hawkeye7</a></span>.</li> <li>The <a href="/wiki/Raymond_Hesselyn" title="Raymond Hesselyn">Raymond Hesselyn</a> article was <b><a href="/wiki/Talk:Raymond_Hesselyn/GA1" title="Talk:Raymond Hesselyn/GA1">promoted</a></b> to <i>Good Article</i> status on 4 December after being nominated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zawed">Zawed</a></span>.</li> <li>The <a href="/wiki/Supermarine_Sea_King" title="Supermarine Sea King">Supermarine Sea King</a> article was <b><a href="/wiki/Talk:Supermarine_Sea_King/GA1" title="Talk:Supermarine Sea King/GA1">promoted</a></b> to <i>Good Article</i> status on 22 December after being nominated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amitchell125">Amitchell125</a></span>.</li> <li>The <a href="/wiki/William_Hodgson_(RAF_officer)" title="William Hodgson (RAF officer)">William Hodgson (RAF officer)</a> article was <b><a href="/wiki/Talk:William_Hodgson_(RAF_officer)/GA1" title="Talk:William Hodgson (RAF officer)/GA1">promoted</a></b> to <i>Good Article</i> status on 26 December after being nominated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zawed">Zawed</a></span>.</li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><span style="font-size:22px;"><b>Members</b></span> <hr/> <p><b>New Members</b> </p> <ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KingAviationKid">KingAviationKid</a></span> (Joined on 17 December)</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PatrickChiao">PatrickChiao</a></span> (Joined on 22 December)</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wp9097">Wp9097</a></span> (Joined on 16 December)</li></ul> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1184024115">.mw-parser-output .div-col{margin-top:0.3em;column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .div-col-small{font-size:90%}.mw-parser-output .div-col-rules{column-rule:1px solid #aaa}.mw-parser-output .div-col dl,.mw-parser-output .div-col ol,.mw-parser-output .div-col ul{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .div-col li,.mw-parser-output .div-col dd{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}</style><div class="div-col" style="column-width: 15em;">Number of active members: 386. Total number of members: 921.</div> <hr/> <p><span style="font-size:22px;"><b>Closed Discussions</b></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Cscr-featured.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/20px-Cscr-featured.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/30px-Cscr-featured.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/40px-Cscr-featured.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="466" data-file-height="443"/></a></span> <b>Featured Article assessment</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Jim_Lovell" title="Jim Lovell">Jim Lovell</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jim_Lovell/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jim Lovell/archive1">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>promoted</b> on 26 December 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Good Article assessment</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/HAL_Tejas" title="HAL Tejas">HAL Tejas</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:HAL_Tejas/GA3" title="Talk:HAL Tejas/GA3">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>not promoted</b> on 30 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/William_Hodgson_(RAF_officer)" title="William Hodgson (RAF officer)">William Hodgson (RAF officer)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:William_Hodgson_(RAF_officer)/GA1" title="Talk:William Hodgson (RAF officer)/GA1">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>promoted</b> on 26 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Supermarine_Sea_King" title="Supermarine Sea King">Supermarine Sea King</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Supermarine_Sea_King/GA1" title="Talk:Supermarine Sea King/GA1">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>promoted</b> on 22 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Raymond_Hesselyn" title="Raymond Hesselyn">Raymond Hesselyn</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Raymond_Hesselyn/GA1" title="Talk:Raymond Hesselyn/GA1">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>promoted</b> on 4 December 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_delete_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Deletion</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Timeline_of_Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport%27s_construction" class="mw-redirect" title="Timeline of Berlin Brandenburg Airport's construction">Timeline of Berlin Brandenburg Airport's construction</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Timeline_of_Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport%27s_construction" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Berlin Brandenburg Airport's construction">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>delete and redirect</b> on 30 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17" title="Evergreen International Airlines Flight 17">Evergreen International Airlines Flight 17</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evergreen International Airlines Flight 17">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>keep</b> on 25 December 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_move_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Requested moves</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Akbarpur_(Ambedkar_Nagar)_Airstrip" class="mw-redirect" title="Akbarpur (Ambedkar Nagar) Airstrip">Akbarpur (Ambedkar Nagar) Airstrip</a> → <a href="/wiki/Akbarpur_Airstrip" title="Akbarpur Airstrip">Akbarpur Airstrip</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Akbarpur_Airstrip#Requested_move_23_December_2021" title="Talk:Akbarpur Airstrip">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>moved</b> on 30 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/1983_Avensa_Douglas_DC-9_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="1983 Avensa Douglas DC-9 crash">1983 Avensa Douglas DC-9 crash</a> → <a href="/wiki/Avensa_Flight_007" title="Avensa Flight 007">Avensa Flight 007</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Avensa_Flight_007#Requested_move_5_December_2021" title="Talk:Avensa Flight 007">discussion</a>) – Closed as <b>moved</b> on 30 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">Garuda Indonesia Flight 035</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_035&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 035 (page does not exist)">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 035</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#Requested_move_28_December_2021" title="Talk:Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">discussion</a>) – <b>Withdrawn</b> on 28 December 2021</li></ul> </td> <td width="50%" style="padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><span style="font-size:22px;"><b>Article Statistics</b></span><br/><span style="font-size:12px;">This data reflects values from DMY.</span> <hr/> <table class="ratingstable wikitable plainlinks" style="text-align: right;"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="3" class="ratingstabletitle">Aviation pages by quality </th></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: bottom"><b>Quality</b> </th></tr> <tr> <th style="text-align: center;"><b>Total</b> </th></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-fa" style="color:inherit; background: #9cbdff; text-align: center;"><span title="Featured article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Featured_article_star.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Featured article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:FA-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:FA-Class aviation articles">FA</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=FA-Class">142</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-fl" style="color:inherit; background: #9cbdff; text-align: center;"><span title="Featured list"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Featured_article_star.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Featured list"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:FL-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:FL-Class aviation articles">FL</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=FL-Class">15</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-a" style="color:inherit; background: #66ffff; text-align:center;"><span title="A-Class article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_a_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="A-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/16px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/24px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/32px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:A-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:A-Class aviation articles">A</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=A-Class">56</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-ga" style="color:inherit; background: #66ff66; text-align: center;"><span title="Good article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:GA-Class aviation articles">GA</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=GA-Class">505</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-b" style="color:inherit; background: #b2ff66; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:B-Class aviation articles">B</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=B-Class">4,573</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-c" style="color:inherit; background: #ffff66; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:C-Class aviation articles">C</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=C-Class">11,878</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-start" style="color:inherit; background: #ffaa66; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Start-Class aviation articles">Start</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Start-Class">15,082</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-stub" style="color:inherit; background: #ffa4a4; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class aviation articles">Stub</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Stub-Class">18,754</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-list" style="color:inherit; background: #c7b1ff; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:List-Class aviation articles">List</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=List-Class">2,539</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-category" style="color:inherit; background: #ffdb58; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Category-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Category-Class aviation articles">Category</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Category-Class">11,638</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-disambig" style="color:inherit; background: #00fa9a; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Disambig-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Disambig-Class aviation articles">Disambig</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Disambig-Class">653</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-File" style="color:inherit; background: #ddccff; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:File-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:File-Class aviation articles">File</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=File-Class">2,713</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-portal" style="color:inherit; background: #ddb1bc; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Portal-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Portal-Class aviation articles">Portal</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Portal-Class">629</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-project" style="color:inherit; background: #c0c090; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Project-Class aviation articles">Project</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Project-Class">89</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-redirect" style="color:inherit; background: #c0c0c0; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Redirect-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Redirect-Class aviation articles">Redirect</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Redirect-Class">1,518</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-template" style="color:inherit; background: #fbceb1; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:Template-Class aviation articles">Template</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Template-Class">2,489</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-na" style="color:inherit; background: #f5f5f5; text-align: center;"><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-Class_aviation_articles" title="Category:NA-Class aviation articles">NA</a> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=NA-Class">66</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center"><b>Assessed</b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Assessed-Class">73,339</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-unassessed" style="color:inherit; background: #dcdcdc; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_aviation_articles" title="Category:Unassessed aviation articles">Unassessed</a></b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles?quality=Unassessed-Class">1</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;"><b>Total</b> </td> <td><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Aviation/articles">73,340</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;" colspan="2"><b>WikiWork factors</b> (<a href="/wiki/User:WP_1.0_bot/WikiWork/faq" title="User:WP 1.0 bot/WikiWork/faq"><span style="color:blue">?</span></a>) </td> <td style="text-align: center;" colspan="3">ω = <b> <span data-sort-value="7005251846000000000♠">251,846</span></b> </td> <td style="text-align: center;" colspan="3">Ω = <b> 4.91</b> </td></tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><span style="font-size:22px;"><b>New/Ongoing Discussions</b></span> <hr/> <style 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Cscr-candidate.svg/20px-Cscr-candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Cscr-candidate.svg/30px-Cscr-candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Cscr-candidate.svg/40px-Cscr-candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="522" data-file-height="438"/></a></span> <b>Featured Article review</b> </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/D._B._Cooper" title="D. B. Cooper">D. B. Cooper</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/D._B._Cooper/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article review/D. B. Cooper/archive1">discussion</a>) – Since 14 December 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_a_class.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/20px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/30px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/40px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>A-class Article assessment</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Granville_Gee_Bee_Model_A" title="Granville Gee Bee Model A">Granville Gee Bee Model A</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Assessment/Granville_Gee_Bee_Model_A" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Granville Gee Bee Model A">discussion</a>) – Since 21 April 2020</li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Iraq_War" title="List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War">List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Assessment/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Iraq_War" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War">discussion</a>) – Since 22 February 2010</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Good Article assessment</b> </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Romanian_Air_Corps" title="Romanian Air Corps">Romanian Air Corps</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Romanian_Air_Corps/GA1" title="Talk:Romanian Air Corps/GA1">discussion</a>) – Since 25 December 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Jean_Batten" title="Jean Batten">Jean Batten</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Jean_Batten/GA1" title="Talk:Jean Batten/GA1">discussion</a>) – Since 2 October 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_merge_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Symbol_merge_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_merge_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Symbol_merge_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_merge_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Symbol_merge_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_merge_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Merger proposals</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name" title="List of astronauts by name">List of astronauts by name</a> → <a href="/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_year_of_selection" title="List of astronauts by year of selection">List of astronauts by year of selection</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_astronauts_by_year_of_selection#Merge_from_List_of_astronauts_by_name" title="Talk:List of astronauts by year of selection">discussion</a>) – Since 10 August 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_cosmonauts" title="List of cosmonauts">List of cosmonauts</a> → <a href="/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality" title="List of space travelers by nationality">List of space travelers by nationality</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality#Merge_from_List_of_cosmonauts" title="Talk:List of space travelers by nationality">discussion</a>) – Since 10 August 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_name" class="mw-redirect" title="List of space travelers by name">List of space travelers by name</a> → <a href="/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality" title="List of space travelers by nationality">List of space travelers by nationality</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality#Merge_from_List_of_space_travelers_by_name" title="Talk:List of space travelers by nationality">discussion</a>) – Since 10 August 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Holidays_Czech_Airlines" class="mw-redirect" title="Holidays Czech Airlines">Holidays Czech Airlines</a> → <a href="/wiki/Czech_Airlines" title="Czech Airlines">Czech Airlines</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Czech_Airlines#Proposed_merge_of_Holidays_Czech_Airlines_into_Czech_Airlines" title="Talk:Czech Airlines">discussion</a>) – Since 23 June 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Bendix_Aviation" class="mw-redirect" title="Bendix Aviation">Bendix Aviation</a> → <a href="/wiki/Bendix_Corporation" title="Bendix Corporation">Bendix Corporation</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Bendix_Corporation#Merger_Proposal" title="Talk:Bendix Corporation">discussion</a>) – Since 30 May 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Airport_Movement_Area_Safety_System" class="mw-redirect" title="Airport Movement Area Safety System">Airport Movement Area Safety System</a> → <a href="/wiki/Airport_Surface_Surveillance_Capability" class="mw-redirect" title="Airport Surface Surveillance Capability">Airport Surface Surveillance Capability</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Airport_Surface_Surveillance_Capability#Merger_Proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Airport Surface Surveillance Capability">discussion</a>) – Since 29 May 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/ASDE-X" class="mw-redirect" title="ASDE-X">ASDE-X</a> → <a href="/wiki/Airport_Surface_Surveillance_Capability" class="mw-redirect" title="Airport Surface Surveillance Capability">Airport Surface Surveillance Capability</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Airport_Surface_Surveillance_Capability#Merger_Proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Airport Surface Surveillance Capability">discussion</a>) – Since 28 May 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_split_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Symbol_split_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_split_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Symbol_split_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_split_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Symbol_split_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_split_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Splitting proposals</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Family_Airlines" title="Family Airlines">Family Airlines</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Family_Airlines#Proposed_article_split_for_Avatar_Airlines_content" title="Talk:Family Airlines">discussion</a>) – Since 23 November 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2021_Kabul_airport_attack" title="2021 Kabul airport attack">2021 Kabul airport attack</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:2021_Kabul_airport_attack#Splitting_proposal" title="Talk:2021 Kabul airport attack">discussion</a>) – Since 24 September 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_United_States" class="mw-redirect" title="List of military aircraft of the United States">List of military aircraft of the United States</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_United_States#Splitting_proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:List of military aircraft of the United States">discussion</a>) – Since 16 August 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways" title="Braniff International Airways">Braniff International Airways</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Braniff_International_Airways#History_of_Braniff_International_Airways" title="Talk:Braniff International Airways">discussion</a>) – Since 8 September 2019</li></ul> <p><br/> </p> </td> <td class="col-break col-break-2"> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_delete_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Deletion</b> </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_maiden_voyages&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of maiden voyages (page does not exist)">List of maiden voyages</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_maiden_voyages_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maiden voyages (2nd nomination)">discussion</a>) – Since 29 December 2021</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_move_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Requested moves</b> </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Hot-air_balloon" class="mw-redirect" title="Hot-air balloon">Hot-air balloon</a> → <a href="/wiki/Hot_air_balloon" title="Hot air balloon">Hot air balloon</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Hot-air_balloon#Requested_move_30_December_2021" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Hot-air balloon">discussion</a>) – Since 30 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Aeropostal_Alas_de_Venezuela_Flight_108" title="Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela Flight 108">Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela Flight 108</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Aeropostal_Alas_de_Venezuela_Flight_109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela Flight 109 (page does not exist)">Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela Flight 109</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Aeropostal_Alas_de_Venezuela_Flight_108#Requested_move_28_December_2021" title="Talk:Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela Flight 108">discussion</a>) – Since 28 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_150" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 150">Garuda Indonesia Flight 150</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_150" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 150">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 150</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#Requested_move_28_December_2021" title="Talk:Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">discussion</a>) – Since 28 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_206" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 206">Garuda Indonesia Flight 206</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_206" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 206">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 206</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#Requested_move_28_December_2021" title="Talk:Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">discussion</a>) – Since 28 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_708" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 708">Garuda Indonesia Flight 708</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_708" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 708">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 708</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#Requested_move_28_December_2021" title="Talk:Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">discussion</a>) – Since 28 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_892" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 892">Garuda Indonesia Flight 892</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_892" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 892">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 892</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#Requested_move_28_December_2021" title="Talk:Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">discussion</a>) – Since 28 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/TWA_Flight_800" title="TWA Flight 800">TWA Flight 800</a> → <a href="/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_(1996)" class="mw-redirect" title="TWA Flight 800 (1996)">TWA Flight 800 (1996)</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:TWA_Flight_800#Requested_move_27_December_2021" title="Talk:TWA Flight 800">discussion</a>) – Since 27 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Dynamic_Airways_Flight_405" title="Dynamic Airways Flight 405">Dynamic Airways Flight 405</a> → <a href="/wiki/Dynamic_International_Airways_Flight_405" class="mw-redirect" title="Dynamic International Airways Flight 405">Dynamic International Airways Flight 405</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Dynamic_Airways_Flight_405#Requested_move_26_December_2021" title="Talk:Dynamic Airways Flight 405">discussion</a>) – Since 26 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/CommutAir_Flight_4281" class="mw-redirect" title="CommutAir Flight 4281">CommutAir Flight 4281</a> → <a href="/wiki/CommutAir_Flight_4821" title="CommutAir Flight 4821">CommutAir Flight 4821</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:CommutAir_Flight_4281#Requested_move_25_December_2021" title="Talk:CommutAir Flight 4281">discussion</a>) – Since 25 December 2021</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Thai_Airways" class="mw-redirect" title="Thai Airways">Thai Airways</a> → <a href="/wiki/Thai_Airways_International" title="Thai Airways 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Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Minorax" title="User:Minorax"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax</span></a><sup>«¦<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Minorax" title="User talk:Minorax"><b>talk</b></a>¦»</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndrewDressel#c-Minorax-20220906041000-Image_source_problem_with_File:Top_fuel_dragster_with_air_drag.pdf.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Minorax-20220906041000-Image_source_problem_with_File:Top_fuel_dragster_with_air_drag.pdf.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220906041000","author":"Minorax","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Minorax-20220906041000-Image_source_problem_with_File:Top_fuel_dragster_with_air_drag.pdf.png","replies":["c-AndrewDressel-20220906065700-Minorax-20220906041000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Minorax-20220906041000-Image_source_problem_with_File:Top_fuel_dragster_with_air_drag.pdf.png"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndrewDressel-20220906065700-Minorax-20220906041000"></span>I can't find any information on how to correct the issue you raise, nor can I see a way to delete the original, offending image, so I just uploaded a new copy with information about who created the original work. 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