Lord Frost interview: ‘I was a Labour member in my teens until they gave up on ordinary voters’

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</picture> </div> <figcaption class="e-caption u-meta e-caption--has-separator e-caption--hide-small-screens " data-js="caption"> <span data-test="caption"> Lord Frost first got involved in the Labour Party during his student days at the University of Oxford </span> <span class="e-caption__credit" data-test="credit"> <span class="e-caption__credit-description">Credit</span>: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph </span> </figcaption> </figure> </div> <div class="grid-col grid-col-12 tpl-article__layout tpl-article__layout--content "> <div class=" " data-js="article-body" data-test="tpl-article-body-recipe"> <div class="tpl-layout__mobile"> <div class="tpl-layout__mobile-byline"> <span class="e-byline e-byline--multi" data-test="byline"> <span class="e-byline__meta"> <span class="e-byline__details"> <a href="/authors/a/ak-ao/amy-gibbons/" class="e-byline__link" data-test="byline-link" rel="author"> <span class="e-byline__author" data-test="author-name">Amy Gibbons</span> </a> <span class="e-byline__job-title" data-test="author-job-title"> Political Correspondent </span> <div class="tpl-date__mobile outsideByline">  <time class="e-published-date u-meta " datetime="2023-07-12T21:00+0100" data-test="time"> 12 July 2023 9:00pm BST </time> </div> </span> </span> </span> </div> </div> <div class="articleBodyText section"> <div class="component article-body-text " data-test="article-body-text"> <p>Lord Frost has revealed that he used to be <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/06/27/tories-same-tax-net-zero-policies-labour-lord-frost/">a Labour member</a> because he thought the party “stood up for ordinary voters”.</p><p><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/15/lord-frost-to-tell-rishi-sunak-to-reject-socialist-solution/">The Tory peer</a> and arch-Brexiteer said that he backed the party in his teens and early 20s, but switched camps when he realised he was more at home with the Conservatives.</p><p>He said that a “big part” of his change of heart was down to him “becoming quite Eurosceptic” over what he “saw in Brussels” in the Nineties, as well as his experience working in <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2023/04/21/the-public-is-failed-by-a-broken-civil-service/">the Civil Service</a>.</p><p>“But I think more importantly,” he said, “I began to realise, and I believe very strongly now, that the Labour Party is not the party of ordinary voters. It’s the party of the public sector, classes, the people who like to decide how the country is run and like telling other people what to do.</p><p>“And those were the classes that were defeated in the 2016 referendum. That was a vote for change and doing things differently. And I think that’s what the Conservative Party now stands for.”</p><p>In 1983, the year <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/22/my-ten-policies-to-save-rishi-sunak-from-oblivion/">Lord Frost</a> turned 18, Neil Kinnock was elected Labour leader, taking over from Michael Foot, and went on to serve in the post until 1992.</p><p>Lord Kinnock, who was made a peer in 2005, used his tenure to rebrand the party, dropping the red flag and replacing it with today’s rose as he fought to neutralise Labour’s hard-Left factions.</p> </div> </div> <figure data-js="article-body-image" data-test="article-body-image" class="article-body-image section"> <div class="article-body-image__container"> <picture class="article-body-image__source "> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000276004362_16891871824580_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=960" media="( min-width: 1280px )"/> <source 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e-caption--has-separator " data-js="caption"> <span data-test="caption"> Lord Frost, left, on the negotiating table with EU officials in 2021 </span> <span class="e-caption__credit" data-test="credit"> <span class="e-caption__credit-description">Credit</span>: Dan Kitwood/PA Wire </span> </figcaption> </figure> <div class="articleBodyText section"> <div class="component article-body-text " data-test="article-body-text"> <p><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/23/lord-frost-hits-labour-fiction-scrapping-eu-laws-will-lead-rights/">Lord Frost</a> rose to fame as <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/30/dont-scrap-powers-overrule-eu-northern-ireland-quick-brexit/">the UK’s chief Brexit negotiator</a> in 2019, leading the talks that resulted in Boris Johnson’s revised EU withdrawal agreement.</p><p>Following the deal, he led Britain into trade negotiations with the bloc before being nominated for a peerage and entering Cabinet <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/01/boris-johnson-scraps-brexit-bonfire-eu-red-tape-favour-net-zero/">as Brexit minister</a>.</p><p>He is considered to be on the Right of the Conservative Party and was formerly an ally of Mr Johnson, having <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/18/lord-frost-quits-cabinet-boris-johnson-considers-christmas-covid/">resigned from his administration</a> in December 2021.</p><p>Speaking to GB News, <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/britain-needs-political-revolution-even-greater-brexit/">Lord Frost</a> said he still considered <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/12/lord-frost-boris-johnson-must-face-eu-threats-rip-northern-ireland/">Mr Johnson a “friend”</a> and described him as a “<a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/14/lord-frost-boris-johnsons-instincts-strong-hasnt-well-served/">very decent guy</a> who’s been much maligned”.</p><p>The former minister is now in contention <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/13/lord-david-frost-to-give-up-seat-among-peers-mp/">for a safe Tory seat</a> at the <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/06/20/mortgage-crisis-backlash-tory-mps-general-election/">next general election</a>, having said he was ready to give up his role as a peer and run as an MP.</p><p>If successful, he would be required to sacrifice his Lords seat in exchange for a place in the Commons – the first person to do so since a rule change to allow such a move in 2014.</p> </div> </div> <figure data-js="article-body-image" data-test="article-body-image" class="article-body-image section"> <div class="article-body-image__container"> <picture class="article-body-image__source "> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000277502960_16891872213510_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=960" media="( min-width: 1280px )"/> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000277502960_16891872213510_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=680" media="( min-width: 768px )"/> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000277502960_16891872213510_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=480&imdensity=2" media="( min-width: 350px ) and ( -webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2 )"/> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000277502960_16891872213510_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=480" media="( min-width: 350px )"/> <img src="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000277502960_16891872213510_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=350" loading="lazy" alt="Lord Frost Conservative Party Brexit negotiator politics European Union Boris Johnson" width="2500" height="1563"/> </picture> </div> <figcaption class="e-caption u-meta e-caption--has-separator " data-js="caption"> <span data-test="caption"> Lord Frost overseeing Boris Johnson signing the 2020 Brexit trade deal </span> <span class="e-caption__credit" data-test="credit"> <span class="e-caption__credit-description">Credit</span>: Leon Neal/Pool via Reuters/File </span> </figcaption> </figure> <div class="articleBodyText section"> <div class="component article-body-text " data-test="article-body-text"> <p><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/05/lord-frost-wont-first-liz-truss-cabinet-rejecting-two-roles/">Lord Frost</a> said that he got involved in the Labour Party at the University of Oxford, and “for a little bit afterwards”.</p><p>“It was a bit of a family thing as well. My parents were both Labour Party voters at the time,” he added.</p><p>He said he thought at the time that Labour was the party that “stood up for ordinary voters” – those who wanted to “get on in life”, and make themselves and their families “better off”.</p><p>However, he said he has since “changed his mind” and now believed “very strongly” that the party does not fit that description.</p><p>“I’m not sure it was even true in the Eighties and early Nineties when I was involved, but I certainly think it’s not true now,” he said.</p><p>He also said that “proper politics had to stop” for him when he went into the Civil Service.</p><p>Speaking about the prospect of standing as an MP at the election, he said: “That’s in the hands of the electorate, ultimately. And also in the hands of the Conservative Party to select me for a seat. So I am on the candidates list now. I haven’t applied for any seats yet. But I might in the year to come. We’ll see.</p><p>“Although the House of Lords is great in its own way, real politics happens in the Commons. That’s where the crucible of national life is. And I think if you want to be in politics, that’s where you’ve got to be.”</p> </div> </div> <figure data-js="article-body-image" data-test="article-body-image" class="article-body-image section"> <div class="article-body-image__container"> <picture class="article-body-image__source "> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000307518913_16891872414530_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpDxAx4VROAKJZW71FmV512NcdzBGBpJngUeKJG-b3KI.jpeg?imwidth=960" media="( min-width: 1280px )"/> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000307518913_16891872414530_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpDxAx4VROAKJZW71FmV512NcdzBGBpJngUeKJG-b3KI.jpeg?imwidth=680" media="( min-width: 768px )"/> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000307518913_16891872414530_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpDxAx4VROAKJZW71FmV512NcdzBGBpJngUeKJG-b3KI.jpeg?imwidth=480&imdensity=2" media="( min-width: 350px ) and ( -webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2 )"/> <source srcset="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000307518913_16891872414530_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpDxAx4VROAKJZW71FmV512NcdzBGBpJngUeKJG-b3KI.jpeg?imwidth=480" media="( min-width: 350px )"/> <img src="/content/dam/politics/2023/07/12/TELEMMGLPICT000307518913_16891872414530_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpDxAx4VROAKJZW71FmV512NcdzBGBpJngUeKJG-b3KI.jpeg?imwidth=350" loading="lazy" alt="Lord Frost Conservative Party Brexit negotiator politics European Union" width="1667" height="1042"/> </picture> </div> <figcaption class="e-caption u-meta e-caption--has-separator " data-js="caption"> <span data-test="caption"> Lord Frost has kept alive his hopes of running at the next election – at the cost of his Lords seat </span> <span class="e-caption__credit" data-test="credit"> <span class="e-caption__credit-description">Credit</span>: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph </span> </figcaption> </figure> <div class="articleBodyText section"> <div class="component article-body-text " data-test="article-body-text"> <p>Hinting that he would join Tory colleagues piling pressure on <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/26/jeremy-hunt-raise-interest-rates-uk-recession/">Jeremy Hunt, the Chancellor</a>, to cut taxes, he said: “To the extent that I do strike a chord in what I say… I think I speak for what a lot of Conservative members think.</p><p>“They do want the country to be different. They do want it to be a more free market. They do want taxes to be lower. They want us to stand up for certain things. </p><p>“So maybe they’re not hearing that as much they would like from many of the leading Conservative politicians at the moment. And I guess I speak to that.”</p><p>He added: “I think many Cabinet ministers are doing good things. What worries me is that there’s a sense of drift, a sense that the country’s got a lot of problems and they’re a bit too big to be tackled and so we’re just going to carry along in a kind of ‘steady as she goes’ way.</p><p>“I think the genius of the Conservative Party historically has been not to give in to that, but to be able to face up to the challenges the country has and to grip them and deal with them.</p><p>“We’re going to have to do that again because this country’s got a lot of problems and we’ve got to deal with them.”</p> </div> </div> <div id="recipe-enabled" data-recipe-enabled="true"></div> </div> <div class="u-separator-top--loose u-separator--branded">  <aside id="comment" class="comment" data-comment-config="{"authorMode":false,"articleCommentingConfig":true,"convConfig":{"articleId":"A1GhRP3WnsKC","viafouraEnvironmentId":"00000000-0000-4000-8000-010fdf3f0a45"}}" data-js="comment" aria-label="Commenting" data-test="join-conversation-section"> <div class="comment__header-container" data-js="comment-header-container" data-test="comment-header-container"> <h2 class="comment__header">Join the conversation</h2>  <div class="comments__social">  <button class="comments__button comment__show-button e-button e-button--large e-button--centered-text" data-js="comment-load" data-label-loading="Loading..." data-test="comment-load" data-event="showComments"> <div class="comment__show-text">Show <span class="e-comment-count__number" data-js="comment-count"> </span> comments <svg class="e-button__icon comment__toggle-icon e-button__icon--right e-button__icon--large" viewBox="0 0 13 7" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> <path id="Vector 356" d="M1 0.749911L6.49999 6.25L12 0.749912" stroke="white" stroke-width="1.17857" stroke-linejoin="bevel"/> </svg> </div> </button> <div class="comment__policy-container comment__policy-mobile"> <div class="comment__policy" data-test="comment-policy"> The Telegraph values your comments but kindly requests all posts are on topic, constructive and respectful. 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