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RPE65 is an isomerhydrolase. Meaning that it acts as an isomerase, and a hydrolase. The way the arrow directs in this diagram makes it seem like it converts 11-cis-retinol to all-trans retinyl ester. Thus the molecules are on the wrong sides. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DeuceIt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DeuceIt (page does not exist)">DeuceIt</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">undated</a> comment was added at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-DeuceIt-2008-09-23T21:20:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)</a>.</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DeuceIt-2008-09-23T21:20:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DeuceIt-2008-09-23T21:20:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benji64-2006-04-10T02:10:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>I was wondering if anyone had a good diagram of phototransduction, or a way of turning a .pdf file into a jpg, as I drew a quite nice diagram but my scanner only scans into pdf format for some reason. thanks a lot. <a href="/wiki/User:Benji64" title="User:Benji64">Benji64</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Benji64-2006-04-10T02:10:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benji64-2006-04-10T02:10:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benji64-2006-04-10T02:10:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolprof-2015-09-26T21:43:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>GIMP is an image editor which can convert between pdf and jpg files. It can also be used to convert between many different document and image formats. If you want something less lightweight than GIMP [<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.gimp.org/">[1]</a>], you could also download ImageMagick [<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.imagemagick.org/">[2]</a>] and use its convert utility (I think GIMP actually uses ImageMagick as its backend, but I'm not sure). These tools are available as free software for Windows, Linux and Mac OS. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Serotonin_deficient:Serotonin_deficient&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Serotonin deficient:Serotonin deficient (page does not exist)">User:Serotonin_deficient:Serotonin_deficient</a> </p><p>In the diagram adapted from Leskov (2000), the activated alpha subunit of the G protein (G*) should have GTP attached, not GDP. It is correct in the paper. Perhaps the paper's figure could be used, with his permission. </p><p>Lots of good citations available if someone has time. A good starting place is the open source text book, Webvision <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://webvision.org.es">[3]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Biolprof" title="User:Biolprof">Biolprof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolprof" title="User talk:Biolprof">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Biolprof-2015-09-26T21:43:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 26 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolprof-2015-09-26T21:43:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolprof-2015-09-26T21:43:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Too_difficult_to_understand" data-mw-thread-id="h-Too_difficult_to_understand-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Too_difficult_to_understand-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z"></span>Too difficult to understand<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Too_difficult_to_understand-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Visual_phototransduction&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Too difficult to understand"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waqqashanafi-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z-Too_difficult_to_understand"></span>This article is too scientific and too difficult to understand for a layman. --<a href="/wiki/User:Waqqashanafi" title="User:Waqqashanafi">Waqqashanafi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waqqashanafi" title="User talk:Waqqashanafi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Waqqashanafi-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z-Too_difficult_to_understand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waqqashanafi-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z-Too_difficult_to_understand"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waqqashanafi-2016-05-02T13:58:00.000Z-Too_difficult_to_understand"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors" data-mw-thread-id="h-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z"></span>Specific to vertebrate photoreceptors<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Visual_phototransduction&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Specific to vertebrate photoreceptors"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-130.235.244.96-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors"></span>This article contains information about vetebrate photoreceptor. Invertebrate receptors (e.g. in insects and crustaceans), which are the most common ones in the animal kingdom, differ in many aspects (e.g. they depolarise, not hyperpolarise, in response to light). The article should be renamed to "Vertebrate phototransduction" or be more general. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/130.235.244.96" title="Special:Contributions/130.235.244.96">130.235.244.96</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:130.235.244.96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:130.235.244.96 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-130.235.244.96-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-130.235.244.96-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-130.235.244.96-2016-05-25T10:33:00.000Z-Specific_to_vertebrate_photoreceptors"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Split_'Visual_Cycle'" data-mw-thread-id="h-Split_'Visual_Cycle'-20221007211900"><span id="Split_.27Visual_Cycle.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Split_'Visual_Cycle'-20221007211900"></span>Split 'Visual Cycle'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Split_'Visual_Cycle'-20221007211900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Visual_phototransduction&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Split 'Visual Cycle'"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate discussion-archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-progressive-subtle, #f5f3ef); color: var(--color-base, inherit); overflow:auto; margin: 1em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-subtle, #aaa)"> <div class="boilerplate-header"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221013202100-Split_'Visual_Cycle'"></span>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red)"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i> <i>A summary of the conclusions reached follows.</i> <dl><dd>Effectively, <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">bleach and recycle</a> was renamed <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curran919" title="User talk:Curran919">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Curran919-20221013202100-Split_'Visual_Cycle'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221013202100-Split_'Visual_Cycle'"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221013202100-Split_'Visual_Cycle'"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> </div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221007211900-Split_'Visual_Cycle'"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MadeOfAtoms" title="User:MadeOfAtoms">MadeOfAtoms</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Revanchist317" title="User:Revanchist317">Revanchist317</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Vitreology" title="User:Vitreology">Vitreology</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a> was boldly merged to <a href="/wiki/Visual_phototransduction" title="Visual phototransduction">visual phototransduction</a> in 2008. This is nonsense as the two topics are very different elements of vision, where the former follows the flow of retinal and the latter follows the visual signal cascade. They have very little overlap, as can be see from the very little overlap the concepts have in this article. I would propose the split of <a href="#visual_cycle">#visual cycle</a> back to its own article... but... there is also the article <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">bleach and recycle</a> that gets mentioned once in <a href="/wiki/Visual_phototransduction" title="Visual phototransduction">visual phototransduction</a>, but is otherwise very much an orphan. "bleach and recycle" gets zero hits on google scholar, but the article is really just a misnomer for the visual cycle. </p><p>So I propose either moving the visual cycle info from this page and <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">bleach and recycle</a> back to <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a>, or we can kill the redirect, then rename <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">bleach and recycle</a> to "visual cycle". Thoughts please! <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curran919" title="User talk:Curran919">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Curran919-20221007211900-Split_'Visual_Cycle'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 7 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221007211900-Split_'Visual_Cycle'"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221007211900-Split_'Visual_Cycle'"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000-Curran919-20221007211900"></span>Curran919</a>: Thanks for taking the initiative to improve this. I support your idea of having an article called <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a> as the main article on the retinal's voyage. It would contain the contents of the current <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">Bleach and recycle</a> and anything more from <a href="/wiki/Visual_phototransduction" title="Visual phototransduction">Visual phototransduction</a> that can benefit it. Maybe there's a more "correct" method, but the following suggestion would retain all the edit history in a sensible place:</dd></dl> <ol><li>Rename the article <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a>, presently a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Visual_phototransduction" title="Visual phototransduction">Visual phototransduction</a>, to the new title "<a href="/wiki/Retinoid_cycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Retinoid cycle">Retinoid cycle</a>", which is a title that should exist in any case.</li> <li>Rename <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">Bleach and recycle</a> to be <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a> as you proposed.</li> <li>Edit the redirect at <a href="/wiki/Retinoid_cycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Retinoid cycle">Retinoid cycle</a> to point to <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a>.</li> <li>Create <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">Bleach and recycle</a> as a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a>.</li> <li>Update <a href="/wiki/Visual_phototransduction#Visual_cycle" title="Visual phototransduction">Visual phototransduction § Visual cycle</a> to have a {{main|Visual cycle}} hatnote, and keep about the level of detail that is already there as useful perspective, since the visual cycle is an important part of that process.</li></ol> <dl><dd>–<a href="/wiki/User:MadeOfAtoms" title="User:MadeOfAtoms">MadeOfAtoms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MadeOfAtoms#top" title="User talk:MadeOfAtoms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000-Curran919-20221007211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000-Curran919-20221007211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000-Curran919-20221007211900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:MadeOfAtoms" title="User:MadeOfAtoms"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221013065100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000"></span>@MadeOfAtoms</a> thanks! Sounds like a plan. I'll take care of that. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curran919" title="User talk:Curran919">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Curran919-20221013065100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221013065100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221013065100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013062000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700-Curran919-20221013065100"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a>. I'm not sure that <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">Bleach and recycle</a> as an article title even needs to be retained...whatever you think. –<a href="/wiki/User:MadeOfAtoms" title="User:MadeOfAtoms">MadeOfAtoms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MadeOfAtoms#top" title="User talk:MadeOfAtoms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700-Curran919-20221013065100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700-Curran919-20221013065100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700-Curran919-20221013065100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:MadeOfAtoms" title="User:MadeOfAtoms"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221013101100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700"></span>MadeOfAtoms</a>, I may have done something wrong. I renamed visual cycle, which duplicated <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">visual cycle</a> as a double-redirect page to <a href="/wiki/Retinoid_cycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Retinoid cycle">retinoid cycle</a> > <a href="/wiki/Visual_phototransduction" title="Visual phototransduction">Visual phototransduction</a>. I couldn't rename <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">Bleach and recycle</a> to visual cycle without first deleting <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a>. I've nominated it for speedy deletion with a link to this discussion, but would there have been a better way of doing this? <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curran919" title="User talk:Curran919">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Curran919-20221013101100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221013101100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221013101100-MadeOfAtoms-20221013083700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221013201900-Curran919-20221013101100"></span>All done. gave <a href="/wiki/Visual_cycle" title="Visual cycle">Visual cycle</a> a new lead, but it still needs more attention. The article gets a bit too chemistry-y for my abilities. Will close this discussion now. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curran919" title="User talk:Curran919">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Curran919-20221013201900-Curran919-20221013101100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221013201900-Curran919-20221013101100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221013201900-Curran919-20221013101100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Revanchist317-20221013185200-Curran919-20221007211900"></span>Yes, I agree it would be for the best to merge them. I wasn't even aware of the <a href="/wiki/Bleach_and_recycle" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleach and recycle">bleach and recycle</a> page to be quite honest. <a href="/wiki/User:Revanchist317" title="User:Revanchist317">Revan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Revanchist317" title="User talk:Revanchist317">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_phototransduction#c-Revanchist317-20221013185200-Curran919-20221007211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Revanchist317-20221013185200-Curran919-20221007211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Revanchist317-20221013185200-Curran919-20221007211900"></span></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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