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20">Archive 20</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="box-Notice plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/40px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="text-align: left;">This is an archive of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink">Food & Drink WikiProject talk page</a> for September-December 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.banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}</style><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Foods.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Foods.jpg/17px-Foods.jpg" decoding="async" width="17" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Foods.jpg/25px-Foods.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Foods.jpg/33px-Foods.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1793" data-file-height="2685"></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink">Food and drink</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Foods.jpg" 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data-file-width="146" data-file-height="106"></a></span></span><span class="portalbox-link"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Food" title="Portal:Food">Food portal</a></span></li></ul>This redirect is within the scope of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink">WikiProject Food and drink</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of <a href="/wiki/Food" title="Food">food</a> and <a href="/wiki/Drink" title="Drink">drink</a> related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Food and drink</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Food and drink</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Food and drink</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" style="padding:0"><table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="background:transparent;width:100%"><tbody><tr><th style="text-align:left;padding:0.2em 2px 0.2em 0">Food and Drink task list:</th></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left;padding:5px;background-color:white;border:1px solid #c0c090;margin-top:5px"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1129693374">.mw-parser-output .hlist dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul{margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt,.mw-parser-output .hlist li{margin:0;display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ul{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist .mw-empty-li{display:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dt::after{content:": "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li::after{content:" · ";font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li:last-child::after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:first-child::before{content:" (";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:last-child::after{content:")";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol{counter-reset:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li{counter-increment:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li::before{content:" "counter(listitem)"\a0 "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li ol>li:first-child::before{content:" ("counter(listitem)"\a0 "}</style><div class="hlist plainlinks" style="text-align:center;font-size:90%;"><ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Food_and_drink%2FOpen_tasks%2Ftasks&action=edit">edit</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Food_and_drink%2FOpen_tasks%2Ftasks&action=history">history</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Food_and_drink%2FOpen_tasks%2Ftasks&action=watch">watch</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Food_and_drink%2FOpen_tasks%2Ftasks&action=purge">purge</a></li></ul> </div> <dl><dd>To edit this page, select <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Open_tasks/tasks" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Open tasks/tasks">here</a></b></dd></dl> <table style="background:transparent; color:inherit;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align:top;"><div style="width:65px; vertical-align:top; padding-top:15px;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png/50px-Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png/75px-Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png/100px-Nuvola_apps_package_editors.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"></a></span></div><br> </td> <td>Here are some tasks you can do for <i><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink">WikiProject Food and drink</a></b></i>: <div style="font-size:90%; vertical-align:top;"> <ul><li>Help bring these <i>Top Importance</i> articles currently <b>B</b> Status or below up to <b>GA</b> status: <i><a href="/wiki/Agaricus_bisporus" title="Agaricus bisporus">Agaricus bisporus</a></i> (i.e. mushroom), <a href="/wiki/Beef" title="Beef">Beef</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bread" title="Bread">Bread</a>, <a href="/wiki/Curry" title="Curry">Curry</a>, <a href="/wiki/Drink" title="Drink">Drink</a>, <a href="/wiki/Food" title="Food">Food</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ham_and_eggs" title="Ham and eggs">Ham and eggs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Soy_sauce" title="Soy sauce">Soy sauce</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sushi" title="Sushi">Sushi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Yogurt" title="Yogurt">Yogurt</a></li> <li>Bring these <i>Top Importance</i> articles currently at <b>GA</b> status up to <b>FA</b> status: <a href="/wiki/Beer" title="Beer">Beer</a>, <a href="/wiki/French_cuisine" title="French cuisine">French cuisine</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sugar" title="Sugar">Sugar</a></li> <li>Bring these <i>High Importance</i> articles currently at <b>GA</b> status up to <b>FA</b> status: <a href="/wiki/Apple" title="Apple">Apple</a>, <a href="/wiki/Burger_King" title="Burger King">Burger King</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fish" title="Fish">Fish</a></li> <li>Participate in project-related <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Food_and_drink" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Food and drink">deletion discussions</a>.</li> <li>Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Trivia" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Trivia">WP:Trivia</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Handling_trivia" title="Wikipedia:Handling trivia">WP:Handling trivia</a> to learn how to do this.</li> <li>Add the <b>{{WikiProject Food and drink}}</b> project banner to food and drink related articles and content to help bring them to the attention of members. For a complete list of banners for WikiProject Food and drink and its child projects, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Banners" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Banners">select here</a>.</li> <li>Provide photographs and images for <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_images_of_food" title="Category:Wikipedia requested images of food">Category:Wikipedia requested images of food</a></li> <li>Consider joining this project's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Members/assessors" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Members/assessors">Assessment task force</a>. List any <b>project ideas</b> in this section</li></ul> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span style="font-size:85%;">Note: These lists are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Transclusion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Transclusion">transcluded</a> from the project's tasks pages.</span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Solanum_ovigerum"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Solanum ovigerum</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Cuisine of New England and Cuisine of the Northeastern United States</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Dove_(brand)"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Dove (brand)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Proper pronunciation of Tzimmes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#New_article:_Organic_Milk"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">New article: Organic Milk</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">colby longhorn cheese or just colby</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Doughnut_Drive_2009"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Doughnut Drive 2009</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#High_importance_article_review_please!"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">High importance article review please!</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Recipes_in_External_Links"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Recipes in External Links</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Copyright Issues related to Recipe Links</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Requested_moves"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Requested moves</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Cider"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">Cider</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Dry Rubs and Tri-Tip</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Queso_flameado/fundido"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Queso flameado/fundido</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Yeast_bread"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">Yeast bread</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">shelf life of chocolate coverture</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#Snuggle_Fabric_Softener"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">Snuggle Fabric Softener</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Great_News!!!"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">Great News!!!</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Cheddar_cheese"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Cheddar cheese</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Restaurants_and_foods"><span class="tocnumber">20</span> <span class="toctext">Restaurants and foods</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese"><span class="tocnumber">21</span> <span class="toctext">Kraft Macaroni and Cheese</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#New_Member"><span class="tocnumber">22</span> <span class="toctext">New Member</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Inter-project_collaboration"><span class="tocnumber">23</span> <span class="toctext">Inter-project collaboration</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Solanum_ovigerum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Solanum_ovigerum-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Solanum_ovigerum-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Solanum_ovigerum" class="mw-redirect" title="Solanum ovigerum">Solanum ovigerum</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Solanum_ovigerum-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Anneyh-2009-10-11T07:44:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z-Solanum_ovigerum"></span>The above article is tagged as a fruit stub <i>and</i> as a vegetable stub. I am neither botanist nor chef so I have no idea which is correct. Could someone clarify by removing one of the tags? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Jubileeclipman" title="User:Jubileeclipman">Jubilee♫</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jubileeclipman" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jubileeclipman"><span style="color:darkorange;">clipman</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z-Solanum_ovigerum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z-Solanum_ovigerum"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z-Solanum_ovigerum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:12:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span>Botanically I think it's a fruit, but in common parlance I think it's a vegetable. This is just my original research. :) <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:12:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:12:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:12:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anneyh-2009-10-11T07:44:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span>There is an explanation on [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable">[1]</a>], but it lacks references and is rather vague, as for Solanum ovigerum, the article is under merge discussion so... I'll look into reinforcing the vegetable article, but I don't min if somebody does it before me! --<a href="/wiki/User:Anneyh" title="User:Anneyh">Anneyh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anneyh" title="User talk:Anneyh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Anneyh-2009-10-11T07:44:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anneyh-2009-10-11T07:44:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anneyh-2009-10-11T07:44:00.000Z-Jubileeclipman-2009-10-03T23:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Cuisine_of_New_England" title="Cuisine of New England">Cuisine of New England</a> and <a href="/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States" class="mw-redirect" title="Cuisine of the Northeastern United States">Cuisine of the Northeastern United States</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:15:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States"></span>What's the plan? <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z-Cuisine_of_New_England_and_Cuisine_of_the_Northeastern_United_States"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:15:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z"></span>My solution would be to break the Cuisine of Northeastern United States sections into individual articles. The Cuisine of New England looks like a better article format as it is. Then I would redirect/merge one of the original two titles to the other one. <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:15:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:15:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:15:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-10-10T23:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Dove_(brand)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dove_(brand)-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z"><span id="Dove_.28brand.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dove_(brand)-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z"></span>Dove (brand)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dove_(brand)-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jerem43-2009-10-13T01:17:00.000Z-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z-Dove_(brand)"></span>Dove (brand) is listed as a Food and Beverage category. Dove (brand) is a personal care product.I believe a bot read Dove as Dove Chocolates. (Same as a bot probably read Saffron (color) as Saffron (spice)). Can a bot be programmed to ignore Dove (brand) as a Food and Beverage category? Can a bot be programmed to ignore Saffron (color) as a Food and Beverage category? I am here to edit and I do hope someone can do something with this. I do my best editing by clicking on Random articles and edit them from bottom to top because more errors occur near the end of an article. </p><p>Respectfully, </p><p>Tiyang 23:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC) </p><p>My apologies to everyone if this is in the wrong place. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Tiyang" title="User:Tiyang">Tiyang</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tiyang" title="User talk:Tiyang">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tiyang" title="Special:Contributions/Tiyang">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z-Dove_(brand)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z-Dove_(brand)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z-Dove_(brand)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-10-13T01:17:00.000Z-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z"></span>The problem is that <a href="/wiki/Category:Unilever_brands" title="Category:Unilever brands">category:Unilever brands</a> is also tagged with a food category, thus the overlap and problem with the tagging. This is an issue from last year and this was a straggler that was not corrected. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-10-13T01:17:00.000Z-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-10-13T01:17:00.000Z-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-10-13T01:17:00.000Z-Tiyang-2009-10-12T23:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Proper pronunciation of Tzimmes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JohnnyB256-2009-10-15T23:06:00.000Z-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes"></span>I would like to have the proper pronunciation of "Tzimmes" added to its page. I have been looking for this information and it would be very useful if you would add it. (I'm sure there are other subjects that would benefit from this information as well.) Thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Drpepin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Drpepin (page does not exist)">Drpepin</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drpepin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Drpepin (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z-Proper_pronunciation_of_Tzimmes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-10-15T23:06:00.000Z-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Isn't it pronounced as spelled?--<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-10-15T23:06:00.000Z-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-10-15T23:06:00.000Z-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-10-15T23:06:00.000Z-Drpepin-2009-10-15T18:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="New_article:_Organic_Milk" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_article:_Organic_Milk-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_article:_Organic_Milk-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z"></span>New article: Organic Milk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_article:_Organic_Milk-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:08:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z-New_article:_Organic_Milk"></span>Came across <a href="/wiki/Organic_milk" title="Organic milk">Organic milk</a> while patrolling the new articles. As you can see, the article needs some improvement - partly due to the style of the article (it's a bit essay-like, but the author keeps removing the tags), partly because it may be a bit POV. Unfortunately, I'm not that experienced in these type of articles, so I thought I would post it here in case any members of this Wikiproject want to take a look. <a href="/wiki/User:Singularity42" title="User:Singularity42">Singularity42</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Singularity42" title="User talk:Singularity42">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z-New_article:_Organic_Milk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z-New_article:_Organic_Milk"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z-New_article:_Organic_Milk"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z"></span>I did some work on it, as well as another contributor. I left a note ion the creator's talk page to let him know what was done and why. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z-Singularity42-2009-10-18T20:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:08:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z"></span>I removed the POV problems and unsubstantiated claims; I think it's pretty balanced now. I also removed most of the "see also's", which sent people to various pages about sustainable lifestyles (and even a scholarly journal not published since the 1950s) and were completely unrelated to milk. The article is fairly bare bones now, so if anyone wants to add to it, that would be great. Let's just make sure it's not a soapbox for the organic food industry. <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">Pdcook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:08:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:08:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:08:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-10-19T05:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby" data-mw-thread-id="h-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z"></span>colby longhorn cheese or just colby<span data-mw-comment-end="h-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pyrope-2009-11-08T19:55:00.000Z-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby"></span>I was told by a butcher at my local grocery that Colby cheese and Colby longhorn are the same cheese, does anyone out there know? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.111.151.249" title="Special:Contributions/75.111.151.249">75.111.151.249</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.111.151.249&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:75.111.151.249 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z-colby_longhorn_cheese_or_just_colby"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-08T19:55:00.000Z-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z"></span>From what I can see a "longhorn" cheese is just a cheese made in a tall cylinder rather than a more common round or squat cylindrical shape. I could be wrong as the sources are scanty. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Pyrope" title="User:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#92000a">Pyrop</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrope" title="User talk:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#CE2029">e</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pyrope-2009-11-08T19:55:00.000Z-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-08T19:55:00.000Z-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrope-2009-11-08T19:55:00.000Z-75.111.151.249-2009-10-28T01:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Doughnut_Drive_2009" data-mw-thread-id="h-Doughnut_Drive_2009-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Doughnut_Drive_2009-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Grundle2600/Doughnut_Drive_2009&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Grundle2600/Doughnut Drive 2009 (page does not exist)">Doughnut Drive 2009</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Doughnut_Drive_2009-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-11T02:31:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z-Doughnut_Drive_2009"></span>This important event is just getting under way. Everyone is welcome to participate. <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z-Doughnut_Drive_2009" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z-Doughnut_Drive_2009"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z-Doughnut_Drive_2009"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z"></span>Do we need articles for each flavor of doughnut or is that overcoverage? <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">Pdcook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-09T00:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Only the notable ones. But there are regional and national variations that need to be included somewhere in order for coverage to be comprehensive. I think the <a href="/wiki/Potato_doughnut" title="Potato doughnut">potato doughnut</a> article is interesting and ripe for expansion. The <a href="/wiki/Jelly_doughnut" title="Jelly doughnut">jelly doughnut</a> and <a href="/wiki/Boston_cream_doughnut" class="mw-redirect" title="Boston cream doughnut">boston cream doughnut</a> also need expansion, and there are lots of interesting varieties that need articles, redirects, mergers etc. <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T03:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z"></span>I guess my question is where do we draw the line? Who determines what a notable doughnut is? This could depend heavily on personal opinion and it could spiral into a great many articles, and perhaps set a precedence for other food types as well. In other words, why are coconut and potato doughnuts noteworthy, but maple nut, plain, powdered, sprinkled, etc. not noteworthy? Too bad there isn't a WP:Notability (doughnut)! That's why personally I would draw the line at a list of doughnut types (and a brief description perhaps) common in a given country or area. <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">Pdcook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-10T22:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-11T02:31:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Coconut is borderline. No question about it. But there was at least one article about it. Some other types are just flavors. I am finding a distinction between "cake doughnuts" and risen (I think) doughnuts. I'll have to look to see whether that's covered in the main article. Some types are quite distinct and notable. So I don't see why it's bad to have articles on them. It would be hard to do them justice in the main article. <a href="/wiki/Potato_doughnut" title="Potato doughnut">Potato doughnut</a> for example has a very long and interesting history. <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-11T02:31:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-11T02:31:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-11T02:31:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T22:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="High_importance_article_review_please!" data-mw-thread-id="h-High_importance_article_review_please!-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z"><span id="High_importance_article_review_please.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-High_importance_article_review_please!-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z"></span>High importance article review please!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-High_importance_article_review_please!-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-09T21:17:00.000Z-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z-High_importance_article_review_please!"></span>Hi all, I've recently posted a proposed thorough overhaul of the Soil Association page to more accurately reflect the organisation's activities and history. Can those with an interest in this fascinating organisation please comment / approve. I'm a new contributer to Wikipedia, so not entirely sure of the edit / approval process. The page is rated grade C, high importance by WikiProject Food and drink. <br><br> Best wishes, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jackhunter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jackhunter (page does not exist)">Jackhunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jackhunter" title="User talk:Jackhunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z-High_importance_article_review_please!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z-High_importance_article_review_please!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z-High_importance_article_review_please!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-09T21:17:00.000Z-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z"></span>Editors should <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">boldly</a> make whatever changes you believe improve the encyclopedia. Changes are easily undone if there are disagreements later, but efforts that introduce <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a> facts, improve the writing style, or make the content <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">fair and balanced</a> are very welcome. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-09T21:17:00.000Z-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-09T21:17:00.000Z-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-09T21:17:00.000Z-Jackhunter-2009-11-09T16:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Recipes_in_External_Links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recipes_in_External_Links-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recipes_in_External_Links-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Recipes in External Links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recipes_in_External_Links-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-13T12:53:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z-Recipes_in_External_Links"></span>Does WikiProject Food and drink have a general guideline on whether it's okay to include links to specific recipes in an article's External links? It seems to me that this would very rapidly proliferate as everyone adds their own "secret family recipe", etc.<br>I've taken a quick look around pages of this project and didn't see an answer to this question. Thanks. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Writtenonsand" title="User:Writtenonsand">Writtenonsand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Writtenonsand" title="User talk:Writtenonsand">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z-Recipes_in_External_Links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z-Recipes_in_External_Links"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z-Recipes_in_External_Links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T19:37:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span>I don't think so. I've always taken the view that recipes should reflect the general character of the dish, and should be sourced in the same way as other external links (i.e. from reputable, stable sites, not food blogs etc.). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Pyrope" title="User:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#92000a">Pyrop</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrope" title="User talk:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#CE2029">e</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T19:37:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T19:37:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T19:37:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span>p.s. Don't forget that "External links" are just as much a part of the article as anything else. They aren't just a dump for "other stuff on the interweb", but should be used to illustrate the article with other examples and provide links to more detailed information that isn't suitable for a general interest encyclopedia like Wikipedia. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Pyrope" title="User:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#92000a">Pyrop</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrope" title="User talk:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#CE2029">e</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z-Writtenonsand-2009-11-09T17:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z"></span>I'm not so sure that recipes should be in the external links unless it's a more comprehensive website with a bit of research on the facts behind the dish. Otherwise, I think you're right that we'll get a lot of links to Joe Nobody's recipes posted on blogspot! <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">Pdcook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-09T20:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z"></span>Check out the guidance: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links" title="Wikipedia:External links">Wikipedia:External links</a>. If someone added cruft to the main article text you would revert it; the same goes for inappropriate links. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Pyrope" title="User:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#92000a">Pyrop</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrope" title="User talk:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#CE2029">e</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-10T14:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z"></span>The issue with including recipes in the external links is that people eventually start adding links to all of their favorite versions and the section gets crowded. That is what happened with the <a href="/wiki/Chocolate_chip_cookie" title="Chocolate chip cookie">chocolate chip cookie</a> page, I had to prune a dozen or more out to get it looking manageable. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T15:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-13T12:53:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z"></span>Thanks to all for replies. I'm going to go ahead and start deleting such "crufty" external links when I see them, and trust to normal Wikipedia process to replace the actually valuable ones. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Writtenonsand" title="User:Writtenonsand">Writtenonsand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Writtenonsand" title="User talk:Writtenonsand">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-13T12:53:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-13T12:53:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Writtenonsand-2009-11-13T12:53:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-10T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span>Copyright Issues related to Recipe Links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T22:53:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links"></span>How do I evaluate whether a website recipe link is a copyright infringement? </p><p>Often recipes are excerpted from cookbooks. If the source is indicated, is that regarded as "fair use"? If there is no source, am I obliged to contact the website to gather more info? As for original recipes on blogs, is it possible that the recipe has been copyrighted? <a href="/wiki/User:NinetyNineFennelSeeds" title="User:NinetyNineFennelSeeds">NinetyNineFennelSeeds</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NinetyNineFennelSeeds" title="User talk:NinetyNineFennelSeeds">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z-Copyright_Issues_related_to_Recipe_Links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span>There are no issues with linking to the copyright holder's own website. You aren't reproducing the recipe here just providing a link to a site where, presumably, the copyright holder actively wants people to visit! In fact this is a good way of showing the diversity of a recipe's construction without clogging the Wikipedia article with all the possible permutations. What you will need to be careful about is linking to a site that pirates recipes without giving due copyright consideration. As with most things on here, if you are unsure about the copyright status of a link then leave it out. This link sensitivity stems from concerns about contributory copyright infringement. In other words, if you provide a link to a site that you know to be in breach of copyright then you can, in some jurisdictions, be held liable for at least a proportion of the views (and hence the instances of infringement) that the site creates. Generally, if a site carries a copyright notice you should be fine, as they are making a claim to copyright which you should take in good faith. Some sites obviously abuse this, but Wikipedia doesn't ask editors to become copyright sleuths! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Pyrope" title="User:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#92000a">Pyrop</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrope" title="User talk:Pyrope"><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#CE2029">e</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T22:53:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, Pyrope. I'm sure that I'll have more questions about copyright in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:NinetyNineFennelSeeds" title="User:NinetyNineFennelSeeds">NinetyNineFennelSeeds</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NinetyNineFennelSeeds" title="User talk:NinetyNineFennelSeeds">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T22:53:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T22:53:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NinetyNineFennelSeeds-2009-11-10T22:53:00.000Z-Pyrope-2009-11-10T21:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Requested_moves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_moves-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_moves-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span>Requested moves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_moves-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jerem43-2009-12-04T05:14:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z-Requested_moves"></span>Up for discussion: requested moves involving <a href="/wiki/Amaretto" title="Amaretto">Amaretto</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bizcocho" title="Bizcocho">Bizcocho</a> and their respective disambiguation pages. See <a href="/wiki/Talk:Amaretto#Requested_move" title="Talk:Amaretto">Talk:Amaretto#Requested move</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Bizcocho#Requested_move" title="Talk:Bizcocho">Talk:Bizcocho#Requested move</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Una_Smith" title="User:Una Smith">Una Smith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_Smith" title="User talk:Una Smith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z-Requested_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z-Requested_moves"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z-Requested_moves"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-04T05:14:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span>Both were kept as is. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-12-04T05:14:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-04T05:14:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-12-04T05:14:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Cider" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cider-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cider-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Cider" title="Cider">Cider</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cider-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T01:30:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z-Cider"></span>This aritcle says it's an alcoholic beverage. What's up with that? In the U.S. we call that hard cider. Should they be disambiguated? Also, I started a <a href="/wiki/Cider_mill" title="Cider mill">cider mill</a> article that needs oodles of work. <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z-Cider" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z-Cider"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z-Cider"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T01:30:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z"></span>I see now there is an <a href="/wiki/Apple_cider" title="Apple cider">apple cider</a> article on the non-alcoholic version. I tried to clarify. If someone else wants to follow-up, have at it. But an article on cider can't be just about an alcoholic beverage unless it's made clear why up front (and it still seems underhanded :) to me). I also messed with the human consumption section of apple. Can someone with more knowledge than I have clarify which ones are fermented, which ones are distilled, etc.? Gracias. <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T01:30:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T01:30:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T01:30:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-11-19T00:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span>Dry Rubs and Tri-Tip<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:16:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip"></span>As an avid bar-b-quer I would say the best method of preparing tri-tip steak is by using a dry rub. Usually a seasoning salt such as garlic salt works best and ground pepper adds a bit of spice to the meat. Be liberal with the salt and pepper! It is a very thick cut of meat and much seasoning is lost in the process of turning it over. I found that when bar-b-qing tri-tip an open flame bar-b-que that can have the height adjusted works wonders. Especially if using a high heat flame produced from say mesquite. When I first started with tri-tip I was bent on using nothing but oak as a fire source. As oak affords a rich smokey flavor to the meat, but experimented with other wood types and discovered the smokey aroma left by a good mesquite is bar none the best route to take. Most prefer to cut the fat side before cooking, I would warn against this when using mesquite as it is a very hot, intense burning wood. Also, I would add that placing the meat fat-side down first is the best approach. Be careful though, as a lot of you know this will only add to the intensity of the heat and flame (due to the "raining" effect of the fat). No worry though, simply keep a water bucket close by to subdue the flame. Depending on your taste you can play with the level of flame. I prefer medium to medium-high heat, and low flame. After about 35-45 minutes of hitting it with heat turn that sucker over, adjusting for pockets of lower heat by putting those pieces that were in a more intense heat area there. Here is the trick, spank the burnt fat off the now top side then add spices, more or less to your liking, but I go a little less due to the absorbing factor of the fatty side. 35-40 minutes later you got a tri-tip worthy of a king! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FreddogT&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FreddogT (page does not exist)">FreddogT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FreddogT" title="User talk:FreddogT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z-Dry_Rubs_and_Tri-Tip"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span>I understand what you want to say, however this is not the place to say it. The discussion page is to discuss ways to improve food and drink article on Wikipedia, not post cooking tips. If you would like, I would suggest visiting the cookbook section of <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_page" class="extiw" title="b:Main page">Wikibooks</a> and contributing there. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-11-29T14:43:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z"></span>True, but it was informative. FreddogT can also post his tips on his user page, where I think it would be OK. --<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-11-29T14:43:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-11-29T14:43:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-11-29T14:43:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-11-26T08:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:16:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span>Yes it is. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:16:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:16:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:16:00.000Z-FreddogT-2009-11-26T06:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(14)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Queso_flameado/fundido" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queso_flameado/fundido-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z"><span id="Queso_flameado.2Ffundido"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queso_flameado/fundido-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z"></span>Queso flameado/fundido<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queso_flameado/fundido-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:19:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z-Queso_flameado/fundido"></span>Related to <a href="/wiki/Chili_con_queso" class="mw-redirect" title="Chili con queso">Chili con queso</a>, I have started a spin-off article about queso flameado aka queso fundido, <a href="/wiki/User:Una_Smith/Queso_flameado" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Una Smith/Queso flameado">here</a>. The new article would be much improved by a photo. Does anyone have one? Please post it to Wikimedia Commons and drop a note on my talk page. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Una_Smith" title="User:Una Smith">Una Smith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_Smith" title="User talk:Una Smith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z-Queso_flameado/fundido" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z-Queso_flameado/fundido"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z-Queso_flameado/fundido"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:19:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z"></span>I took a quick look and it reads fine. Well cited with good prose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:19:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:19:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-11-30T06:19:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-11-29T04:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Yeast_bread" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yeast_bread-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yeast_bread-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z"></span>Yeast bread<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yeast_bread-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-04T03:51:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> <p><a href="/wiki/Yeast_bread" class="mw-redirect" title="Yeast bread"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z-Yeast_bread"></span>Yeast bread</a> is a red link. Is there at least some place we could redirect it to? <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z-Yeast_bread" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z-Yeast_bread"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z-Yeast_bread"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z"></span>Is that a particular variety of bread, or does it simply mean bread that is leavened with yeast? If the latter case is true, then it could be redirected to <a href="/wiki/Bread#Yeast_leavening" title="Bread">Bread#Yeast_leavening</a>. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">PDCook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-11-30T20:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Based on the context in the article <a href="/wiki/Filone" title="Filone">Filone</a> (which I think is what brought you here), I assume it's the latter case. I didn't redirect, but rather piped the link to <a href="/wiki/Bread#Yeast_leavening" title="Bread">Bread#Yeast_leavening</a>. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">PDCook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T20:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-04T03:51:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z"></span>Actually, it was the existence of <a href="/wiki/Quick_bread" title="Quick bread">quick bread</a> that made me look for <a href="/wiki/Yeast_bread" class="mw-redirect" title="Yeast bread">yeast bread</a>. We have detailed articles like <a href="/wiki/Proofing_(baking_technique)" title="Proofing (baking technique)">Proofing (baking technique)</a>, but nothing about the enormous class of breads that use these techniques. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-04T03:51:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-04T03:51:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-04T03:51:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-11-30T21:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture" data-mw-thread-id="h-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z"></span>shelf life of chocolate coverture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pdcook-2009-12-03T14:25:00.000Z-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture"></span>Dear all, </p><p>please assist me in identifying how long does this have a shelf life?? When used how do we manage the balance?? </p><p>I have been asked if the balance was mixed with fresh stocks will there be a contamination? </p><p>If yes then how do we manage the coverture in a manner where the shelf life can be expanded to it's maximum? </p><p>Please send your replies to gkumar@klccconventioncentre.com </p><p><br> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/202.179.97.113" title="Special:Contributions/202.179.97.113">202.179.97.113</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:202.179.97.113" title="User talk:202.179.97.113">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z-shelf_life_of_chocolate_coverture"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-12-03T14:25:00.000Z-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z"></span>I really don't know that much about <a href="/wiki/Couverture_chocolate" title="Couverture chocolate">Couverture chocolate</a>, other than it has a higher fat content than typical chocolate. For that reason, I would suspect its shelf life is a little shorter. However, if it is tightly sealed in a cool place I don't see why it shouldn't last several months. That being said, I have no references for that so don't include that in the article, if that's why you're asking! Maybe someone else knows more? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">PDCook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-12-03T14:25:00.000Z-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-12-03T14:25:00.000Z-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-12-03T14:25:00.000Z-202.179.97.113-2009-12-01T04:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Snuggle_Fabric_Softener" data-mw-thread-id="h-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Snuggle" title="Snuggle">Snuggle</a> Fabric Softener<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-DavidOaks-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidOaks-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener"></span>I think it's mis-tagged. <a href="/wiki/User:DavidOaks" title="User:DavidOaks">DavidOaks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidOaks" title="User talk:DavidOaks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-DavidOaks-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidOaks-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidOaks-2009-12-04T03:48:00.000Z-Snuggle_Fabric_Softener"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Great_News!!!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Great_News!!!-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z"><span id="Great_News.21.21.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Great_News!!!-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z"></span>Great News!!!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Great_News!!!-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z-Great_News!!!">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z-Great_News!!!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Bacon_materializer.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Bacon_materializer.jpg/200px-Bacon_materializer.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="480"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 200px;height: 150px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Bacon_materializer.jpg/200px-Bacon_materializer.jpg" data-width="200" data-height="150" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Bacon_materializer.jpg/300px-Bacon_materializer.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Bacon_materializer.jpg/400px-Bacon_materializer.jpg 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption>Bacon materializer</figcaption></figure> <p>Unable to resist bacon's temptations, rogue editors have kicked off the <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight/Bacon_Challenge_2010" title="User:ChildofMidnight/Bacon Challenge 2010">Bacon Challenge 2010</a> event even before the New Year starts! This is a fun and collegial event and all are welcome. There are many non-pork articles for editors who object to or don't like messing with pig products and this year's event includes a <a href="/wiki/User:Sky_Attacker/Bacon_WikiCup_2010" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sky Attacker/Bacon WikiCup 2010">Bacon WikiCup 2010</a> for those who may want to keep score and enjoy engaging in friendly competition. Given the critical importance of this subject matter, I know you will want to participate, so remember to sign up today and get started <a href="/wiki/A.S.A.P." class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="A.S.A.P.">A.S.A.P.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight" title="User:ChildofMidnight">ChildofMidnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChildofMidnight" title="User talk:ChildofMidnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-ChildofMidnight-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z-Great_News!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z-Great_News!!!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChildofMidnight-2009-12-05T04:38:00.000Z-Great_News!!!"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Cheddar_cheese" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cheddar_cheese-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cheddar_cheese-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z"></span>Cheddar cheese<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cheddar_cheese-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jerem43-2009-12-07T00:54:00.000Z-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z-Cheddar_cheese"></span>Is this kind of cheese always capitalised? I recently ran across someone who says that it's named for a place, and should thus always be capitalised; i.e., "Cheddar cheese" is correct, and "cheddar cheese" is wrong. I've never before come across a claim like this, and the other person dismissed as irrelevant my statement that "cheddar" was common usage and that therefore (in the spirit of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USEENGLISH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USEENGLISH">WP:USEENGLISH</a>) we shouldn't require "Cheddar". <a href="/wiki/User:Nyttend" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z-Cheddar_cheese" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z-Cheddar_cheese"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z-Cheddar_cheese"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-07T00:54:00.000Z-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z"></span>This has been under discussion at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Cheese&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia talk:Cheese (page does not exist)">WT:Cheese</a>, it has been decided that we should capitalize cheeses that are named after places. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-12-07T00:54:00.000Z-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-07T00:54:00.000Z-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-12-07T00:54:00.000Z-Nyttend-2009-12-06T23:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Restaurants_and_foods" data-mw-thread-id="h-Restaurants_and_foods-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Restaurants_and_foods-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span>Restaurants and foods<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Restaurants_and_foods-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T03:11:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z-Restaurants_and_foods"></span>In articles about restaurants, does anyone think it's a good idea to add images of foods and dishes related to them? I'm asking this because an image I added for <a href="/wiki/Greenwich_Pizza" title="Greenwich Pizza">Greenwich Pizza</a> has been nominated for deletion. Upon contacting the one who nominated it, I figure his reason for listing is rather absurd. <a href="/wiki/User:FoxLad" title="User:FoxLad">FoxLad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FoxLad" title="User talk:FoxLad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z-Restaurants_and_foods" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z-Restaurants_and_foods"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z-Restaurants_and_foods"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:56:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span>Good question. In this case I'm really not too sure. But my personal feeling is you took the picture, it does no harm, so keep it<s>, assuming that it is a signature dish.</s> There is no copyright issue. By the way, it should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, not Wikipedia. It won't be deleted there.--<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:56:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:56:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:56:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T03:11:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span>Just to revise my opinion slightly: no good reason was given for deleting it, so I voted to keep. It's a fine photo, and we should have more good editor-generated photos. --<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T03:11:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T03:11:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T03:11:00.000Z-FoxLad-2009-12-12T12:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z"></span>Kraft Macaroni and Cheese<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T19:09:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>9 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese"></span>I was surprised to learn that Kraft Macaroni and Cheese is named <a href="/wiki/Kraft_Dinner" title="Kraft Dinner">Kraft Dinner</a>, its Canadian name, on Wikipedia. This is absurd. Nothing in the article points to this being a primarily Canadian product, but the article has a strongly Canadian slant. It's fine that Canada is well represented in this article, but shouldn't it be moved to <a href="/wiki/Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese" class="mw-redirect" title="Kraft Macaroni and Cheese">Kraft Macaroni and Cheese</a>? This has been proposed, amazingly, as far back as <i>2006</i>, at which time there was opposition, but it was proposed again in June and there seems to be a consensus to move it. I'd appreciate it if some of us could look into this on the Talk page and move it if appropriate. --<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z-Kraft_Macaroni_and_Cheese"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z"></span>You're right, and seeing as there seems to be consensus that the article be moved, I think you should go ahead and move it. <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">PDCook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-14T23:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z"></span>John, I just reformatted the discussion as a proper requested move, lets wait the seven days to see if consensus stays with move. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that's a good idea. Gosh I haven't had Kraft Macaroni and Cheese in a while. I used to add tuna to it in college for a passable casserole. --<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T00:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:57:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z"></span>Although I think being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bold" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Bold">bold</a> is a good thing, I guess we had better be safe than sorry. Tuna? ...groan... Well, I guess we all did things in college we're not proud of! <a href="/wiki/User:Pdcook" title="User:Pdcook">PDCook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdcook" title="User talk:Pdcook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:57:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:57:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:57:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T00:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z"></span>My wife eats it mixed into scrambled eggs. I wont eat it unless I add some good Cheddar. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerem43" title="User:Jerem43">Jeremy</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerem43" title="User talk:Jerem43">blah blah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jerem43" title="Special:Contributions/Jerem43">I did it!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z-Pdcook-2009-12-15T00:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z"></span>That's really not a bad idea. I hope that all these variations and permutations are in the article. It's really not bad with tuna, I assure you.--<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z-Jerem43-2009-12-15T01:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z"></span>The variations shouldn't be included unless they are both <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Verifiable">WP:Verifiable</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUE">WP:DUE</a>.</dd> <dd>Wikipedia does not need to always use the US name for things. Editors may benefit from careful consideration of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ENGVAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ENGVAR">WP:ENGVAR</a>. In particular, if the article was originally written using the Canadian name, then it should almost certainly be kept there. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T01:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T19:09:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z"></span>Noted. I was half-jesting about the "variations," though come to think of it there may be sourcing on that. Food articles tend to sometimes not have the greatest sourcing. --<a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyB256" title="User:JohnnyB256">JohnnyB256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyB256" title="User talk:JohnnyB256">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T19:09:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T19:09:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyB256-2009-12-15T19:09:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2009-12-15T18:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="New_Member" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Member-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Member-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z"></span>New Member<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Member-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sean-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z-New_Member">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z-New_Member"></span>I'm new to the project, and just thought I would introduce myself. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sean" title="User:Sean">Sean</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean" title="User talk:Sean">talk</a> || <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sean" title="Special:Contributions/Sean">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Sean-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z-New_Member" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z-New_Member"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean-2009-12-25T14:35:00.000Z-New_Member"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(23)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Inter-project_collaboration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inter-project_collaboration-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inter-project_collaboration-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z"></span>Inter-project collaboration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inter-project_collaboration-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Mm40-2009-12-29T02:39:00.000Z-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-23 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-23"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z-Inter-project_collaboration"></span>Hi there from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAT">the FA Team</a> (ironically also known as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAT">WP:FAT</a>). The FA Team, normally geared at helping new editors with great knowledge in a subject area but no experience with FAC and other similar areas, has been inactive for a while. To restart the project, I <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Featured_articles/FA-Team#Revival?" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Featured articles/FA-Team">proposed</a> a new mission, centered around food. I picked food because there very few top-quality article of specific dishes and a model might lead to more being written on the neglected subject. While I originally planned for the mission to be experienced editors with little knowledge of the subject, I figured it would be smoother if some food-folk join in. If you're interested, feel free to comment or keep track of the FA-Team talk page. In order to keep discussion centralized, please don't make comments here. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Mm40" title="User:Mm40">Mm40</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mm40" title="User talk:Mm40">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z-Inter-project_collaboration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z-Inter-project_collaboration"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z-Inter-project_collaboration"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mm40-2009-12-29T02:39:00.000Z-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z"></span>Just an update, we have commenced the mission. You can see more info <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Featured_articles/FA-Team/Mission_7" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Featured articles/FA-Team/Mission 7">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mm40" title="User:Mm40">Mm40</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mm40" title="User talk:Mm40">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Archive_14#c-Mm40-2009-12-29T02:39:00.000Z-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mm40-2009-12-29T02:39:00.000Z-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mm40-2009-12-29T02:39:00.000Z-Mm40-2009-12-27T12:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </section></div> <noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=mobile&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: 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