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dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for de-adminship">Wikipedia:Requests for de-adminship</a></bdi></div></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><span data-mw-thread-id="h--2009-10-01T03:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--2009-10-01T03:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h--2009-10-01T03:23:00.000Z"></span></span><div class="boilerplate metadata rfa" style="background-color: #fff5f5; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Djsasso-2009-10-01T03:23:00.000Z"></span>The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">request for adminship</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship">request for bureaucratship</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkusership" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkusership">request for checkusership</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_oversightship" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for oversightship">request for oversightship</a> that <b>did not succeed</b>. <strong style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</strong></i></dd></dl> <p><br/> <b>Withdrawn</b> by nominator. -<a href="/wiki/User:Djsasso" title="User:Djsasso">DJSasso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Djsasso" title="User talk:Djsasso">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Djsasso-2009-10-01T03:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Djsasso-2009-10-01T03:23:00.000Z"><span 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href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:38:00.000Z-Juliancolton"></span>Juliancolton</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Juliancolton" title="Special:Contributions/Juliancolton">changes</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Juliancolton" title="Special:EmailUser/Juliancolton">e-mail</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&user=Juliancolton">blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/protect&user=Juliancolton">protections</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&user=Juliancolton">deletions</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/move&user=Juliancolton">moves</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/rights&user=Juliancolton">right changes</a>)</small></span> </p><p><i>End date: October 21, 2009</i> </p><p>Though I admire Julian's dedication to anti-vandalism, I do not believe him qualified to be an administrator. My reasoning? A blatant disregard for standards as written. He has admitted on his talk page that he "frankly doesn't care what the criteria say" <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton#You_do_not_apply_the_correct_standards_for_GA" title="User talk:Juliancolton">here</a> and also in a GA article. His talk page could be construed as indicating he believes his own standards to be superior. Therefore, he violates consensus. This is not the first time that people have complained about his misuse of the standards. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:38:00.000Z-Juliancolton" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:38:00.000Z-Juliancolton"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:38:00.000Z-Juliancolton"></span> </p><p><i>Candidate's acceptance:</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Support" data-mw-thread-id="h-Support-Juliancolton"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Support-Juliancolton"></span>Support<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Support-Juliancolton"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section's source code: Support"><span>change source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Support</b> as nom <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Oppose" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oppose-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oppose-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z"></span>Oppose<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oppose-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section's source code: Oppose"><span>change source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z-Oppose"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Oppose</b> From everything I've seen he has been a good admin both here and elsewhere. Just using policies from simple I'd point to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules" title="Wikipedia:Ignore all rules">WP:Ignore all rules</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bold" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Bold">WP:Bold</a> and if you'd like a selection of some of my favorite essays/policies from EnWiki which I think can correlate cross wiki I'd be happy to. If you hang around long at least half of all conversations about policies seem to be about whether you should be following the policy at all and if some of THE most linked policies are the ones above telling you to IGNORE the polices. So saying that he doesn't care what the policy is isn't actually going against the general consensus at all. Juliancolton has been a dedicated member of the Wikimedia community for years (almost 100k edits at EnWiki?) and I have never seen a legitimate complain about the use of his administrative powers (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Juliancolton">over quite a few projects</a>) and he has been an En admin for at least a year... possibly a bit more and to be honest as a very long term lurker I assumed he was an Admin long before he became one because he has always acted as one should Fair, Honest and actively interested in the betterment of the projects he works on and Wikimedia as a whole. <a href="/wiki/User:Jamesofur" title="User:Jamesofur">Jamesofur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jamesofur" title="User talk:Jamesofur">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z-Oppose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z-Oppose"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T00:50:00.000Z-Oppose"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z-Oppose"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Oppose</b> Yes, I'm retired, but I still stalk. I frankly couldn't believe this when I saw it on Recent Changes. This has got to be the most fucking ridiculous request that I have ever seen. And I've seen a lot of crazy stuff. Also, what James said. Regards, <font style="color:#4682b4"><b>Javért</b></font> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Javert" title="User talk:Javert"><font style="color:#50C878"><b>☆</b></font></a></sup> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z-Oppose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z-Oppose"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z-Oppose"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z"></span>He blatently disregards guidelines, and made up a comprehensive test for GA that has no basis whatsoever in anything. At the least, he should retract his repeated comment that he doesn't care what standards are, and maybe be banned from PGA for six months. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T00:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z"></span>lol. "This page is a guideline on Wikipedia. Many editors agree with the ideas on this page. <b>It is a good idea to follow it, but it is not policy.</b>" There's a difference between a guideline and a policy. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your silliness. PGA banned for six months? Epic lulz. <font style="color:#4682b4"><b>Javért</b></font> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Javert" title="User talk:Javert"><font style="color:#50C878"><b>☆</b></font></a></sup> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bsadowski1-2009-10-01T01:01:00.000Z-Oppose"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Oppose</b> Juliancolton is a very good admin as well as the others. He is also a good Wikifriend. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bsadowski1" title="User:Bsadowski1">Bsa</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bsadowski1" title="User talk:Bsadowski1">dow</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bsadowski1" title="Special:Contributions/Bsadowski1">ski1</a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Bsadowski1-2009-10-01T01:01:00.000Z-Oppose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bsadowski1-2009-10-01T01:01:00.000Z-Oppose"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bsadowski1-2009-10-01T01:01:00.000Z-Oppose"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z-Oppose"></span>Oppose</b> - I've reviewed this incident as well as JC's recent contributions. I see no reason to demote him. <b>Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy.</b> Just because an article meets the criteria doesn't mean it must be promoted. Similarly, even if most people oppose this deadminship, if their reasoning is faulty, JC could be demoted. However, based on my experiences with this admin and reviewing what went on, I don't see any reason to deadmin JC. I pose this question: "If PGA is merely about determining if an article meets the promotion requirements, why is it a discussion?" If the article either meets or doesn't meet certain numerical/binary criteria, a bot could promote GAs. The point is that there are non-quantifiable properties that a good article must have to be considered "good". <small>(Sorry, my opinion got less "simple" as I wrote it. I'm willing to repost if needed.)</small><b><a href="/wiki/User:EhJJ" title="User:EhJJ">EhJJ</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EhJJ" title="User talk:EhJJ">TALK</a></sup></b> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z-Oppose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z-Oppose"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z-Oppose"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z"></span>Don't you find it bad that he admits to disregarding criteria? And also that he has applied a test that has no basis whatsover in any of the criteria ever? <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <dl><dd>No. I think you're upset because he won't lower standards to pass your GA nom(s); so you decided to get back at him with this silly request. <font style="color:#4682b4"><b>Javért</b></font> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Javert" title="User talk:Javert"><font style="color:#50C878"><b>☆</b></font></a></sup> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z-EhJJ-2009-10-01T01:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z"></span>Wait? <b>His</b> standards. The only standards we should be using are the ones on PGA, not some made-up, never-discussed, never-defined ones by a single user. Especially if he doesn't care what the standards are, and bad-mouths articles that exceed all nine pillars <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z"></span>Where the hell do you see the pronoun "his" in my statement? <font style="color:#4682b4"><b>Javért</b></font> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Javert" title="User talk:Javert"><font style="color:#50C878"><b>☆</b></font></a></sup> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T01:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z"></span>Look, the point is that he disregards standards and applies a test that has no basis. What has repeatedly happened is that he opposes articles that others have had no problems at all with based on some "comprehensive" test that is a VGA requirement, not a GA requirement. This guy blatently doesn't follow standards, and thinks there's nothing wrong with that. Why does nobody find this as abominable as I do, and instead accuses me of a personal attack? <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z-Javert-2009-10-01T01:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:04:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z"></span>I'd appreciate not being referred to as "this guy". –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:04:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:04:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:04:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z-Oppose"></span>Bad-faith de-adminship requests should be summarily closed.</b> This is axe grinding, pure and simple, and doesn't even deserve the amount of attention it's already been given. Julian's one of our best. <a href="/wiki/User:EVula" title="User:EVula">EVula</a> <span style="color: #999;">// <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EVula" title="User talk:EVula">talk</a> // <a href="/wiki/User:EVula/admin" title="User:EVula/admin"><span style="color: #366;">☯</span></a> //</span> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z-Oppose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z-Oppose"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z-Oppose"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T02:12:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. Someone please kill and bury this horse. <font style="color:#4682b4"><b>Javért</b></font> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Javert" title="User talk:Javert"><font style="color:#50C878"><b>☆</b></font></a></sup> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Javert-2009-10-01T02:12:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Javert-2009-10-01T02:12:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Javert-2009-10-01T02:12:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z"></span>He's not if he admits to frankly not caring about guidelines. This isn't about his vandalism work, it's about his disregard for stands <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z"></span>You've provided no evidence that his attitude is detrimental to the encyclopedia. Furthermore, that you'd jump from "I dislike your attitude about GAs" to "you should be removed as an administrator", especially when the sysop flag has no bearing in the GA process whatsoever (the argument could be made that this de-adminship request is bogus on those grounds alone), is astounding in its audacity. <a href="/wiki/User:EVula" title="User:EVula">EVula</a> <span style="color: #999;">// <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EVula" title="User talk:EVula">talk</a> // <a href="/wiki/User:EVula/admin" title="User:EVula/admin"><span style="color: #366;">☯</span></a> //</span> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z"></span>The fact is that the guy applies the standards considerably more strict than anybody else. He basically applies the VGA standards to GAs, and his standards have created a veto on GAs. In hindsight, I probably should've aired out my points a different way, but he does need to loosen his standards a little, and actually review articles that he criticize. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z-EVula-2009-10-01T02:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:39:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z"></span>The fact that you used "probably" instead of "absolutely" suggests that you still don't understand that you are grossly out of line with the de-adminship request. <a href="/wiki/User:EVula" title="User:EVula">EVula</a> <span style="color: #999;">// <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EVula" title="User talk:EVula">talk</a> // <a href="/wiki/User:EVula/admin" title="User:EVula/admin"><span style="color: #366;">☯</span></a> //</span> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:39:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:39:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EVula-2009-10-01T02:39:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S3CR3T-2009-10-01T02:47:00.000Z-Oppose"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Oppose</b>. LOL, wth? Nah, he's been too good an admin to be thrown overboard for something like this. --<a href="/wiki/User:S3CR3T" class="mw-redirect" title="User:S3CR3T"><font color="#DE3163"><font=Comic Sans MS><i><b>S3C</b></i></font></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S3CR3T" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:S3CR3T"><font color="pink"><i><b>R3T</b></i></font></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-S3CR3T-2009-10-01T02:47:00.000Z-Oppose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S3CR3T-2009-10-01T02:47:00.000Z-Oppose"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S3CR3T-2009-10-01T02:47:00.000Z-Oppose"></span></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z"></span>Comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section's source code: Comments"><span>change source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z-Comments"></span>I'm not sure what to say. Is this in regards to our disagreement over the GA criteria? –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:48:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Specifically, when you said that you frankly don't care what the standards say. In good faith, I cannot support someone who admitted to disregarding standards as a sysop. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z-Comments"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z"></span>The GA criteria are not policy. They are merely guidelines, and thus it is often appropriate to disregard them if necessary. Common sense overrules all policies if applied correctly. –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-09-30T23:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z"></span>What you said is still unacceptable, and I cannot support your adminship. Also, you continue to believe that your own "standards" (which as far as I can tell, have never been delineated anywhere) are superior to consensus. If you don't like the guidelines, you should propose changes to them, not ignore them. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-09-30T23:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z"></span>Guidelines don't need to be changed if they're to be ignored occasionally. I don't believe my standards are superior to consensus; how you've determined this, I am unsure. –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z"></span>I feel that you have ignored them more than occasionally, especially when you admittede that they don't care what they say. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:15:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I'm the first to admin that I'm more than happy to ignore certain guidelines where appropriate. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a>. I follow policies where necessary, but as I said, the GA criteria are nothing more than a series of recommendations. If you can find one instance where I have inappropriately and deliberately ignored policy, I will support your argument. –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:15:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:15:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T00:15:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T00:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-Comments"></span>My point is basically that Julian and his hoyty-toyty standards have somewhat granted him an '<i>unfair veto</i> on GA. He has had tests like a comprehensive test and others, and if they aren't met, even if the article exceeds all guidelines. He has succeeded in blocking numerous articles from GA. This might be OK for one or two, but he has applied it to dozens of articles. My point is that it's completely unfair for one guy to hold up GA as Julian clearly does. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z"></span>If an article is not "good", I'm going to object to its promotion to <i>"good" article</i> status. I don't mean to ruffle any feathers and step on any toes, but it seems fairly simple. –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z"></span>You define good far, far, far too strictly...stricter than any other editor on Wikipedia and with absolutely no basis whatsoever in standards you don't care about, but everybody agreed on. Just because you don't think it's good doesn't mean it's not good. You need to get more in line with the standards, or you have no business whatsoever editing PGA and PVGA. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span>It seems you're saying I need to have the same opinion as all other editors. I happen to have strict standards, this is true. We're an encyclopedia and we need to keep professional standards, and to that I try my best to ensure that our recognized content is as good as reasonable possible. –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z"></span>The point is that <b>your standards are too tough and a veto on other users</b> If you want GA to be tougher, you should change the guidelines, not ignore them every single time you edit. The problem is you're not even close to everyone else. Not by a long shot. You need to get closer to them, not necessarily the same thing, but closer. Right now, you <b>essentially apply the VGA standards for GA</b>, and that ain't right. Also, you rarely comment on talk pages or review articles you vote no on, and you often say "incomplete", but don't point to a single missing fact. This ain't right. Not at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:33:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z"></span>The thing is, the GA criteria aren't strict requirements. They're recommendations for reviewers and article writers to follow. Therefore, each editor interprets them differently. If disagreement arises, the proper course of action is to have a discussion amongst the community. If consensus does not support your view, then you have to accept it and try to bring your article up to standard. –<strong><a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span></a></strong> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray"><i>Talk</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:33:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:33:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliancolton-2009-10-01T02:33:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T03:01:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z"></span>You keep saying this Purplebackpack, how is him going against an article a "veto" (bolded of course)<a href="/wiki/User:Jamesofur" title="User:Jamesofur">Jamesofur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jamesofur" title="User talk:Jamesofur">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T03:01:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T03:01:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T03:01:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T02:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Ok, I'm sorry this entire proposal and the responses to it do not show merit regardless of my own opinion (that Julian is a great, interwiki, admin). Your problems with him at GA and VGA not only appear to be blatant ax grinding they also don't appear to have anything to back them up in the first place even after I've gone looking for the evidence myself. If you read the top of the guidelines for GA and VGA you will see a little box that explains what a guideline is, and it is specifically NOT a policy. One person who disagrees with something does not block anything, even on a smaller wiki and if you disagree with his thoughts on an article you can either 1. take what he says and try to fix the article or 2. ignore it and talk to other articles, unless others agree with him his opinion is meh.</li></ul> <dl><dd>That being said I also don't see why this is a reason to deadmin him? Has he abused his admin powers? I can't even see something that says he has done anything that wrong as an editor let alone something bad enough to strip admin rights away. Admin rights are not special powers that make you "above" others they are tools to help you help the community, and Julian continues to use them well for that.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Because you seem to be around at the moment I'll say this: If you do not provide clear reasoning and evidence behind the request, or at least the beginning of it, I will close this request (As a NON admin) per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Snow" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Snow">WP:Snow</a> as it just appears to be a bad faith request. <a href="/wiki/User:Jamesofur" title="User:Jamesofur">Jamesofur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jamesofur" title="User talk:Jamesofur">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z-Comments"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T03:09:00.000Z-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z"></span>OK, forget the request, but keep in mind that here's what happened when I was "grinding an ax". I proposed an article. All concerns in all other reviews. Julian claims the article is not comprehensive (a VGA test, not a GA test) and incomplete, but can't name one single thing that is missing. He never edited the article, and had one comment on the talk page, after the close. The article ended in no consensus. My argument is that Julian needs to at least take a modicum of the standards into account, not frankly not care and go off on a completely different tangent than all other editors. If he doesn't like the standards, he ought to request changes instead of pertually ignoring them. Agreed? <a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89">Purplebackpack89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">talk</a>) <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton#c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T03:09:00.000Z-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a>, who had popped over to the drugstore to get some aspirin<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T03:09:00.000Z-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-2009-10-01T03:09:00.000Z-Jamesofur-2009-10-01T02:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><i>The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_de-adminship/Juliancolton&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for de-adminship/Juliancolton (not yet started)">this nomination</a> or the nominated user). 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