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data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p>See also: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Encyclopaedia_Britannica" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Encyclopaedia Britannica">Wikipedia:WikiProject Encyclopaedia Britannica</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica" class="extiw" title="wikisource:Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica">Wikisource:Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:1911_Britannica_templates" title="Category:1911 Britannica templates">Category:1911 Britannica templates</a></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica" data-mw-thread-id="h-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Referencing protocols and citing the Encyclopaedia Britannica<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span 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class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2010-08-28T06:57:00.000Z-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z">14 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica"></span>An observation for any interested editors, on the citing of Encyclopaedia Britannica, and a suggestion to resolve a burgeoning issue. </p><p>From my experiences of Wikipedia to date, I note that a number of articles have Encyclopaedia Britannica as their basis. For some articles this comprises the bulk of the text or even the entire article. For such articles, I typically see the following statment: </p> <dl><dd><span class="noprint"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:PD-icon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="Public Domain" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/PD-icon.svg/12px-PD-icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="196" data-file-height="196"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 12px;height: 12px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/PD-icon.svg/12px-PD-icon.svg.png" data-alt="Public Domain" data-width="12" data-height="12" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/PD-icon.svg/18px-PD-icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/PD-icon.svg/24px-PD-icon.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a></span> </span>This article incorporates text from a publication now in the <a href="/wiki/Public_domain" title="Public domain">public domain</a>: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFChisholm1911" class="citation encyclopaedia cs1"><a href="/wiki/Hugh_Chisholm" title="Hugh Chisholm">Chisholm, Hugh</a>, ed. (1911). <i><a href="/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition" title="Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition">Encyclopædia Britannica</a></i> (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.edition=11th&rft.pub=Cambridge+University+Press&rft.date=1911&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia+Britannica+Eleventh+Edition" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_encyclopedia" title="Template:Cite encyclopedia">cite encyclopedia</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Missing or empty <code class="cs1-code">|title=</code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#citation_missing_title" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span></dd></dl> <p>Which arises from the following template: </p> <pre>{{1911}}</pre> <p>The statement alone is fine enough when the entire content of the article comes from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, for clearly, 100% is attributable. But it is a statement of attribution, and once the article becomes less than 100% attributable to the EB, it is not a citation in any useful sense. At that point it starts to become a vague attribution, and moreso the more the article is developed away from the EB. Some - perhaps many - of you will already see where I'm going with this. </p><p>As we all know, the Encyclopaedia Britannica is often an excellent basis, especially for the static, historical component of articles, some of which is in need not of supplanting, but merely updating and supplementing, if that. However, as we also all know, with the exception of information for which we can do no better (especially, as far as I can tell, of historical nature for which facts haven't changed much if at all), it is not generally desirable to leave the article at that. Rather, especially for dynamic phenomena, meaning things which inevitably change in some fashion (even if it's primarily the understanding of underlying principles), or historical phenomena for which we have the benefit of new information, or better access to old information (or both), it is considered desirable to update the articles which were based originally on the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Hence the following type of templates found in some articles: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1251242444">.mw-parser-output .ambox{border:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-left:10px solid #36c;background-color:#fbfbfb;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+style+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+style+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+link+.ambox{margin-top:-1px}html body.mediawiki .mw-parser-output .ambox.mbox-small-left{margin:4px 1em 4px 0;overflow:hidden;width:238px;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .ambox-speedy{border-left:10px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .ambox-delete{border-left:10px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .ambox-content{border-left:10px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .ambox-style{border-left:10px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .ambox-move{border-left:10px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .ambox-protection{border-left:10px solid #a2a9b1}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.5em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.5em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.5em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-image-div{width:52px}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .ambox{margin:0 10%}}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .ambox{display:none!important}}</style><table class="box-Update-EB plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><div class="mbox-image-div"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Ambox_outdated_content.svg/40px-Ambox_outdated_content.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 40px;height: 40px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Ambox_outdated_content.svg/40px-Ambox_outdated_content.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="40" data-height="40" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Ambox_outdated_content.svg/60px-Ambox_outdated_content.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Ambox_outdated_content.svg/80px-Ambox_outdated_content.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></div></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mbox-text-span">This article <b>is largely based on an article in the out-of-copyright <a href="/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition" title="Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition"><i>Encyclopædia Britannica</i> Eleventh Edition</a>, which was produced in 1911.</b><span class="hide-when-compact"> It should be brought up to date to reflect subsequent history or scholarship (including the references, if any). When you have completed the review, replace this notice with a simple note on this article's talk page.</span> <span class="date-container"><i>(<span class="date">March 2011</span>)</i></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>However, at this point, the problem of citation, or more accurately, lack of citation, arises. For as soon as we insert new text, and otherwise break up the text that originally came from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, we should commence using inline citations for the text that was from the EB. The reasons should be obvious, because they are the same as the need for any citation, from any source. So I'll not labour the point, other than to note that if we do not start using inline citations, we end up with articles containing orphaned sentences and paragraphs, for which the original source is not known. So we end up with a common-or-garden citation problem. </p><p>This is a potentially massive task, but I see that as no excuse for not chipping away at the problem. As far as I can tell, the easiest way to deal with this in the first instance is to create a reference to the volume from which the article, or the bulk of the article, came. The <a href="/wiki/Balneotherapy" title="Balneotherapy">Balneotherapy</a> article does this. It contains a link to an editable version of the EB, and I have added a link to a non-editable version, from the table helpfully placed in the EB article. The reason for that should be self-evident of course: a reader, or editor, should be able to check a version that is unambiguously the original. </p><p>Ideally, there should be a link to the exact page dealing with the topic of the article. I have been able to do this in the <a href="/wiki/Hydrotherapy" title="Hydrotherapy">Hydrotherapy</a> article, using the Internet Archive listings. But I find those listings currently difficult and time-consuming to search for the exact volume of a multi-volume work such as EB, so this is probably not going to be practical on a large scale in the short term. This brings us back to the task of simply citing the volume from which the text of a given article came. </p><p>This is a simple enough task, but tedious if left to one or two dedicated editors. But if each editor who cares something about these things makes a point of adding a citation to a mere few articles, the task should get done. So that is my suggestion, for what it's worth.<a href="/wiki/User:Wotnow" title="User:Wotnow">Wotnow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wotnow" title="User talk:Wotnow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 6 December 2009 (UTC)</a>Wotnow<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z-Referencing_protocols_and_citing_the_Encyclopaedia_Britannica"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2010-08-28T06:57:00.000Z-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z"></span>I have proposed substantial changes to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1911" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:1911">1911</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template, although its handling of the current parameters will remain the same there will be new ones and there will be changes to the layout. Comment and opinions welcome at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:EB1911/Archive_1#Proposal_to_replace_code_with_a_wrapper_around_cite_encyclopedia" title="Template talk:EB1911/Archive 1">Template talk:EB1911/Archive 1#Proposal to replace code with a wrapper around cite encyclopedia</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Philip_Baird_Shearer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Philip Baird Shearer">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Philip_Baird_Shearer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Philip Baird Shearer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2010-08-28T06:57:00.000Z-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2010-08-28T06:57:00.000Z-Wotnow-2009-12-06T01:50:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CreedShandor-2010-03-30T01:16:00.000Z-What_was_the_original_sale_price?"></span>What was the original price for the 11th edition (or any other editions, for that matter) <a href="/wiki/User:CreedShandor" title="User:CreedShandor">CreedShandor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CreedShandor" title="User talk:CreedShandor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-CreedShandor-2010-03-30T01:16:00.000Z-What_was_the_original_sale_price?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CreedShandor-2010-03-30T01:16:00.000Z-What_was_the_original_sale_price?"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CreedShandor-2010-03-30T01:16:00.000Z-What_was_the_original_sale_price?"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Women_contributors_not_unprecedented" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z"></span>Women contributors not unprecedented<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Women contributors not unprecedented" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-23' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Florian_Blaschke-2012-10-28T11:06:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z">12 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"></span>I have found one woman author, Flora Masson (1857-1837), who contributed the article on E.T.A. Hoffmann for the 9th edition. She is the daughter of <a href="/wiki/David_Masson" title="David Masson">David Masson</a> and the sister of <a href="/wiki/David_Orme_Masson" title="David Orme Masson">David Orme Masson</a>. I have not inspected very many articles, and perhaps there are more women contributors. <a href="/wiki/User:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User:Bob Burkhardt">Bob Burkhardt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User talk:Bob Burkhardt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-16T01:26:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-22T13:15:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"></span>I also find <a href="/wiki/Agnes_Mary_Clerke" title="Agnes Mary Clerke">Agnes Mary Clerke</a> is listed as the author for the article on <a href="/wiki/Alexander_von_Humboldt" title="Alexander von Humboldt">Alexander von Humboldt</a> in the 9th edition as she was in the 11th edition. I have turned up about a half dozen women with a very brief and scattered perusal of the List of Contributors in v. 25. Well it seems something got garbled somewhere with this article's statement that “The 1911 edition for the first time included a number of female contributors . . .” Perhaps it was the 9th edition that took the first step. <a href="/wiki/User:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User:Bob Burkhardt">Bob Burkhardt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User talk:Bob Burkhardt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-22T13:15:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 22 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-22T13:15:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2011-10-22T13:15:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica" title="History of the Encyclopædia Britannica">History of the Encyclopædia Britannica</a> seems to have a more sensible discussion of this issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User:Bob Burkhardt">Bob Burkhardt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User talk:Bob Burkhardt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z-Women_contributors_not_unprecedented"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z"></span>As none seems to have reverted any edits you have made to this article, why not make a bold edit? If anyone objects by reverting the edit then discuss it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T17:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z"></span>I may if no one else gets around to it. I have my attention on other things at the moment, and I am not familiar with the sources in question. Was the hiring of women for unsigned articles new with the 11th edition? It may be the sources contradict each other, and the conflicting views of the various editions may be of interest. Perhaps the earlier editions were more progressive than given credit for. Perhaps the real contrast is in the number of articles written about women rather in the number written by them. I am not interested in copying over something that is not quite to the point and only less misleading, but I do think it is important to note the contradiction for now. <a href="/wiki/User:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User:Bob Burkhardt">Bob Burkhardt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bob_Burkhardt" title="User talk:Bob Burkhardt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-23T18:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z"></span>But it is best not done with a large banner at the start of the article. Articles are meant to be about a subject not editor to editor comments -- that is why we have talk pages. Why not place a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:OR">OR</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">citation needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> next to the paragraph you are concerned about? -- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z-Bob_Burkhardt-2012-07-23T18:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2012-10-28T11:06:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z"></span>I have now been bold and converted the banner to an inline template. In view of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=42503787">this</a></span>, I have to wonder if the ref was not originally purely for the number of female contributors, not the unprecedentedness of female contributors, in which case "for the first time" would indeed be in need of a separate citation and I would add OR and citation needed tags. Anyone have access to the source, to check what it really says? --<a href="/wiki/User:Florian_Blaschke" title="User:Florian Blaschke">Florian Blaschke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Florian_Blaschke" title="User talk:Florian Blaschke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Florian_Blaschke-2012-10-28T11:06:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2012-10-28T11:06:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Florian_Blaschke-2012-10-28T11:06:00.000Z-PBS-2012-07-25T14:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="External_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z"></span>External links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: External links" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-24' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PBS-2013-11-21T14:17:00.000Z-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z">11 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z-External_links"></span>From the edit history "why link to non-free/ad-supported/anything else when we have wikisource, archive, and gutenberg"? </p> <dl><dd>Because the Internet archive has OCR problems (If it did not then the Wikisource 1911 porting project would have competed long ago) Gutenberg is not completed, when it is the argument will carry more weight. -- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z-External_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 12 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z-External_links"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z-External_links"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2013-11-12T21:31:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z"></span>None of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition&diff=581353331&oldid=581254157">these edits</a> are particularly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">bold</a>, so why the wholesale dismissal? <ul><li>WikiSource in external links is pretty standard as far as I've seen</li> <li>the two external links between archive and gutenberg get lost (hence moving to the end)</li> <li>collapsing is not to save bytes it's so that the two tables don't take up most of the article visually (readability)</li> <li>you're saying the imperfections in the archive and incompleteness of gutenberg mean we need: <ul><li>"<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg/12px-Wikisource-logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="13" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="410" data-file-height="430"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 12px;height: 13px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg/12px-Wikisource-logo.svg.png" data-width="12" data-height="13" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg/18px-Wikisource-logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg/24px-Wikisource-logo.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Tim_Starling" class="extiw" title="s:User:Tim Starling">Full-page scans</a> in <a href="/wiki/TIFF" title="TIFF">TIFF</a> format.," <b>and</b></li> <li>"<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://eb11.nrbook.com/index.html">Flash reader (Empanel)</a> with full-page scans," <b>and</b></li> <li>"The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/">JRank "Online Encyclopedia"</a> includes original and contributed articles; the originals may have been edited and the collection is subject to a claimed copyright," <b>and</b></li> <li>"<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.theodora.com/encyclopedia/">Encyclopædia Britannica 1911</a> unedited, html version, from scan/ocr of the original text, with interactive alphabetical index, and Google translation into Spanish, Chinese, French, German, Russian, Hindi, Arabic and Portuguese," <b>and</b></li> <li>"<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation cs2"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.studylight.org/enc/bri/"><i>1911 Encyclopedia Britannica</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.studylight.org/info/about.html">StudyLight.org</a></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=1911+Encyclopedia+Britannica&rft.pub=%5Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.studylight.org%2Finfo%2Fabout.html+StudyLight.org%5D&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.studylight.org%2Fenc%2Fbri%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia+Britannica+Eleventh+Edition" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Citation" title="Template:Citation">citation</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">External link in <code class="cs1-code"><code class="cs1-code">|publisher=</code></code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#param_has_ext_link" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> "Containing 35,820 entries cross-referenced and cross-linked to other resources on StudyLight.org". "Copyright Statement[:] these [EB 1911] files are public domain"" ......??</li></ul></li></ul></dd> <dd>These range from redundant copies to ad-supported redundant copies to even <i>copyrighted</i> work. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-Rhododendrites-2013-11-12T21:31:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2013-11-12T21:31:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2013-11-12T21:31:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-12T17:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z-External_links"></span>You did not take <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition&diff=581358533&oldid=581353331">both my edits</a> into consideration so some of what you are asking has already been answered with my second edit. But to answer some of your comments about the other issues. </p> <ul><li>We are looking at the bottom of a page the external links section, so the point about collapsing not relevant as the text does not come between sections in the body of the article.</li> <li>copyright is no reasons to exclude books from external links.</li> <li>I do not know how often you participate in the clean up of Wikipedia articles in the <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_incorporating_a_citation_from_the_1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica" title="Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica">Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica</a> particularly the <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_incorporating_a_citation_from_the_1911_Encyclopaedia_Britannica_with_no_article_parameter" title="Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with no article parameter">category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with no article parameter‎</a> of which there are currently just under 10,000 Wikipedia articles, but trying to find the EB1911 article name from the text in the Wikipedia article can be difficult. This is particularly true for articles which have not been covered by Gutenberg because of OCR errors in other copies. It is convenient to list the different sources here so that they are in a central place. I see no benefits in deleting them and benefits for keeping them.</li></ul> <p>-- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z-External_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z-External_links"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z-External_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z"></span>I took a look at <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_incorporating_a_citation_from_the_1911_Encyclopaedia_Britannica_with_no_article_parameter" title="Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with no article parameter">category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with no article parameter‎</a> and did some edits (mainly while bored). Two questions: <ul><li>Shouldn't the category be "...with no <i>title</i> parameter"? I made the comment on the talk page, but thought I'd repeat it here where it might get read.</li> <li>Now I see a duplicative link in some cases. What's the preference: include both a Wikisource1911enc template and a wstitle parameter on the 1911 template (see <a href="/wiki/Abbas_I_of_Egypt" title="Abbas I of Egypt">Abbas I of Egypt</a>), or remove the Wikisource1911enc? If you're OK with both (I am), then the other pages I edited didn't have the former; shouldn't we add one for completeness? <a href="/wiki/User:DavidBrooks" title="User:DavidBrooks">David Brooks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidBrooks" title="User talk:DavidBrooks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z-PBS-2013-11-13T11:07:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PBS-2013-11-21T14:17:00.000Z-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z"></span>No do not include a link to wikisource article in the external links if it is used elsewhere in the article (this is standard advise for all external links), so if <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_EB1911" title="Template:Cite EB1911">cite EB1911</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:EB1911" title="Template:EB1911">EB1911</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> appear elsewhere in a Wikipedia article do not place <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:EB1911_poster" title="Template:EB1911 poster">EB1911 poster</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in the external links section. NB Wikisource1911enc redirects to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:EB1911_poster" title="Template:EB1911 poster">EB1911 poster</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</dd> <dd>I think now it exists this type of question is better addressed to the new WikiProject talk page: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Encyclopaedia_Britannica" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Encyclopaedia Britannica">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Encyclopaedia Britannica</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition#c-PBS-2013-11-21T14:17:00.000Z-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PBS-2013-11-21T14:17:00.000Z-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PBS-2013-11-21T14:17:00.000Z-DavidBrooks-2013-11-13T22:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2015-08-28T23:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2015-08-28T23:20:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2015-08-28T23:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: External links modified" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-25' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cyberbot_II-2015-08-28T23:20:00.000Z-External_links_modified">9 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberbot_II-2015-08-28T23:20:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just added archive links to 4 external links on <a href="/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Eleventh_Edition" title="Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition">Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition</a>. Please take a moment to review <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=678366339">my edit</a>. If necessary, add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cbignore" title="Template:Cbignore">cbignore</a>}}</code> after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Nobots" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Nobots">nobots</a>|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}</code> to keep me off the page altogether. 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