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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T21:25:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria"></span>The page should reference <a href="/wiki/2009_Workington_floods" title="2009 Workington floods">2009 Workington floods</a>, <a href="/wiki/2009_Great_Britain_and_Ireland_floods" title="2009 Great Britain and Ireland floods">2009 Great Britain and Ireland floods</a> and probably <a href="/wiki/Carmen_(storm)" class="mw-redirect" title="Carmen (storm)">Carmen (storm)</a> but I think those pages need some major cleaning.<a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T21:25:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T21:25:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T21:25:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T07:57:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria"></span>I added them to the See also section. <a href="/wiki/User:Proxima_Centauri" title="User:Proxima Centauri">Proxima Centauri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri" title="User talk:Proxima Centauri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T07:57:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T07:57:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T07:57:00.000Z-Referencing_previous_flood_events_in_Cumbria"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Further_reaction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Further_reaction-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Further_reaction-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z"></span>Further reaction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Further_reaction-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Storm_Desmond&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Further reaction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span>The next edition of <i><a href="/wiki/New_Scientist" title="New Scientist">New Scientist</a></i> will likely have something on Storm Desmond but it may be behind a pay wall. <a href="/wiki/User:Proxima_Centauri" title="User:Proxima Centauri">Proxima Centauri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri" title="User talk:Proxima Centauri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z-Further_reaction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z-Further_reaction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:00:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28630-is-climate-change-behind-the-storm-that-flooded-parts-of-the-uk/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span>Is climate change behind the storm that flooded parts of the UK?</a> It's accessible. <a href="/wiki/User:Proxima_Centauri" title="User:Proxima Centauri">Proxima Centauri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri" title="User talk:Proxima Centauri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z-Further_reaction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z-Further_reaction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-08T08:17:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z"></span>I don't understand why you put these reactions in the article? There's nothing special about the quotes, as many of them just happened to coincide with Desmond rather than being about the storm itself plus there is a climate conference going on at the moment. It seems quite <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Undue" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Undue">undue</a> and would be much better placed on major articles such as <a href="/wiki/Climate_of_the_united_kingdom" class="mw-redirect" title="Climate of the united kingdom">climate of the united kingdom</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-08T08:17:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-08T08:17:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-08T08:17:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T08:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span>The sources for the 'Reaction' section mostly refer to Storm Desmond. I cut out and summarised the quotes apart from that by <a href="/wiki/Julia_Slingo" title="Julia Slingo">Julia Slingo</a> as she is notable enough for her own Wikipedia article. I added a short quote from <a href="/wiki/Liz_Truss" title="Liz Truss">Liz Truss</a> as she also merits a Wikipedia article. I hope that satisfies objections. <a href="/wiki/User:Proxima_Centauri" title="User:Proxima Centauri">Proxima Centauri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri" title="User talk:Proxima Centauri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z-Further_reaction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z-Further_reaction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T21:59:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Jolly Janner, I think were there a parliamentary debate or parliamentary committee hearing on this, or an academic paper presented on this issue, then it would be appropriate to add. I think so far it is too early, and while Julia Slingo is a notable meteorologist, it is just an opinion so far. She actually said “It’s too early to say definitively whether climate change has made a contribution to the exceptional rainfall." which I don't think matches up with what we have in the article -<i>For example Julia Slingo of the Met Office agrees climate change has not been proved definitively yet as a cause but notes that weather records dating back to the 1800's were broken</i>. which to me can be read with an altered meaning, especially regarding the word cause.<a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) 21:59, 8 December 2015 (UTC) The <a href="/wiki/Centre_for_Ecology_and_Hydrology" class="mw-redirect" title="Centre for Ecology and Hydrology">Centre for Ecology and Hydrology</a> state "However, it is not clear to what extent the recent cluster of floods in the north-west is associated with climate change, natural variability or a combination of both. Much of the research in the UK using very long records points to pronounced variability between decades, leading to ‘flood rich’ and ‘flood poor’ periods driven by the NAO and other factors. We simply don’t yet know whether the clustering of recent floods is due to anthropogenic warming or a result of such variability. It is, therefore, hard to attribute any event or cluster of events to anthropogenic climate change using observational records alone." -<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.ceh.ac.uk/news-and-media/blogs/north-west-floods-hydrological-update">http://www.ceh.ac.uk/news-and-media/blogs/north-west-floods-hydrological-update</a> so I think the consensus is "we don't know".<a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T21:59:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T21:59:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T21:59:00.000Z-Proxima_Centauri-2015-12-08T15:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span>If the section is to be tried again, I would advise definitely not using the New Statesman source.<a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z-Further_reaction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z-Further_reaction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z-Further_reaction"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-09T07:19:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for removing Lacunae. Even after a couple of rewrites, I still got the feeling some quotes were being taken out of context to push a POV. Forgive me if I am wrong Proxima, but that's just how it read to me. I'm not opposed to a reactions section (or even one which discusses climate change decisions), but it will take time for substantial reactions to be documented. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-09T07:19:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 9 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-09T07:19:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-09T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:02:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer unresolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved from <a href="/wiki/Talk:2015%E2%80%9316_UK_and_Ireland_windstorm_season" title="Talk:2015–16 UK and Ireland windstorm season">Talk:2015–16 UK and Ireland windstorm season</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:02:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:02:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:02:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"></span>It seems likely that Desmond is notable enough for its own article, I'd like editors to consider whether that article should be something along the lines of <a href="/wiki/2015_Cumbria_floods" class="mw-redirect" title="2015 Cumbria floods">2015 Cumbria floods</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=2015_UK_and_Ireland_floods&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2015 UK and Ireland floods (page does not exist)">2015 UK and Ireland floods</a> to include the antecedent conditions (include ex Tropical cyclone Kate).<a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z"></span>I'd go with <a href="/wiki/Storm_Desmond" title="Storm Desmond">Storm Desmond</a>; it affects more than just Cumbria, and flooding is only one aspect of the weather event. 'Desmond' is also the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> for this subject ("the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources"). Click <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Storm%20Desmond&action=edit">here</a> to edit the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Firebrace" title="User:Firebrace">Firebrace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firebrace" title="User talk:Firebrace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z-Lacunae-2015-12-05T17:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z"></span>I would stay with Storm Desmond for now. If there is continued flooding until the next storm, then perhaps then I'd suggest a name change. I don't get why the article has been created, as it is currently much shorter than the supposed "summary" offered on this page. I'll wait to see how much it expands by the time it blows over. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T18:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z"></span>I'm afraid this article—like so many on Wikipedia—is a lost cause. As they say on <i><a href="/wiki/Dragons%27_Den" title="Dragons' Den">Dragons' Den</a></i>, "I'm out". If you want to have four-paragraph "summaries" and put internal links in the <i>external links</i> section, go ahead... <a href="/wiki/User:Firebrace" title="User:Firebrace">Firebrace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firebrace" title="User talk:Firebrace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T19:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/2013_Atlantic_hurricane_season" title="2013 Atlantic hurricane season"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T23:06:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z"></span>2013 Atlantic hurricane season</a> is an example of a featured article. It contains summaries, which are much longer than the ones in this page (although it uses two large paragraphs rather than four small ones). You may also refer to the comment I left in the article history, which related to policy stating summaries are usually a couple of paragraphs. A single sentence is definitely not a summary. Also, if you are referring to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2015%E2%80%9316_UK_and_Ireland_windstorm_season&type=revision&diff=693926993&oldid=693926419">this</a> edit then I think it's pretty well established for navigation boxes to be at the bottom of articles. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T23:06:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T23:06:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2015-12-05T23:06:00.000Z-Firebrace-2015-12-05T22:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:04:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"></span>"PERILS said that while so far it has not decided whether to classify Desmond as officially under investigation, if it does so it is currently more likely to be as a UK flood event, rather than wind."</i><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.artemis.bm/blog/2015/12/07/perils-looks-into-storm-desmond-investigates-windstorm-nils-clodagh/">http://www.artemis.bm/blog/2015/12/07/perils-looks-into-storm-desmond-investigates-windstorm-nils-clodagh/</a> (even if they do incorrectly equate Helga and Desmond/Ted).<a href="/wiki/User:Lacunae" title="User:Lacunae">Lacunae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lacunae" title="User talk:Lacunae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:04:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:04:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lacunae-2015-12-08T15:04:00.000Z-Moving_Desmond_to_own_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Met_Office_weather_warnings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Met_Office_weather_warnings-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Met_Office_weather_warnings-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z"></span>Met Office weather warnings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Met_Office_weather_warnings-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Storm_Desmond&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Met Office weather warnings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michaelfromtheuk-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z-Met_Office_weather_warnings"></span>Aren't UK weather warnings, as issued by the Met Office, Red, Amber, and Yellow? This article has 'orange' in place of amber? See <a href="/wiki/National_Severe_Weather_Warning_Service" title="National Severe Weather Warning Service">National Severe Weather Warning Service</a>--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Michaelfromtheuk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Michaelfromtheuk (page does not exist)">Michaelfromtheuk</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michaelfromtheuk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Michaelfromtheuk (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Storm_Desmond#c-Michaelfromtheuk-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z-Met_Office_weather_warnings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michaelfromtheuk-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z-Met_Office_weather_warnings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michaelfromtheuk-2022-02-16T13:04:00.000Z-Met_Office_weather_warnings"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Storm_Desmond&oldid=1209586826">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Storm_Desmond&oldid=1209586826</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Weather_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Weather articles">Start-Class Weather articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Weather_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Weather articles">Mid-importance Weather articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Non-tropical_storm_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Non-tropical storm articles">Start-Class Non-tropical storm articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Non-tropical_storm_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Non-tropical storm articles">Mid-importance Non-tropical storm articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Non-tropical_storms_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Non-tropical storms articles">WikiProject Non-tropical storms articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Weather_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Weather articles">WikiProject Weather articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_United_Kingdom_articles" title="Category:Start-Class United Kingdom articles">Start-Class United Kingdom articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_United_Kingdom_articles" title="Category:Low-importance United Kingdom articles">Low-importance United Kingdom articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_United_Kingdom_articles" title="Category:WikiProject United Kingdom articles">WikiProject United Kingdom articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Ireland_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Ireland articles">Start-Class Ireland articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Ireland_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Ireland articles">Low-importance Ireland articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Ireland_articles_of_Low-importance" title="Category:Start-Class Ireland articles of Low-importance">Start-Class Ireland articles of Low-importance</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Ireland_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Ireland pages">All WikiProject Ireland pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 22 February 2024, at 16:51<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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