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the Portland Trail Blazers in the 2007 NBA Draft. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140511065854/http://grantland.com/features/greg-oden-miami-heat-nba-playoffs-how-to-be-a-benchwarmer" target="_blank">Oden says he has come to grips with his fate</a>, and is now focused on making the best of his opportunity in the L. Per <em>Grantland</em>:</p> <blockquote><p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Given what Greg has been through physically, mentally, and emotionally since he entered the league, and because his default facial expression for as long as I’ve known him has been somewhere between “annoyed” and “depressed,” I’ve conditioned myself to expect him to look miserable every time I see him. Last week in Charlotte, the opposite was true. Having a positive attitude about your situation is vital to being a great benchwarmer, and Greg surprisingly had that covered. When I asked him if he was bummed that he wasn’t playing more, this was his response:</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>“Are you kidding? I was a professional rehab/workout guy for four years. I wasn’t even a basketball player — just a guy who got paid to exercise. I spent four years trying to get back on an NBA court. Now that I’ve done that, it’s not fair to myself to complain about minutes. I knew coming into this that I wasn’t going to be the player I once was. I just wanted to get healthy and then help out any way I could.”</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>“It’s not that I don’t want to play or even that I get nervous,” Greg told me after the game. “I’d love to play meaningful minutes. It’s just that my body is at a point where it takes a process for me to get physically ready to play and a process for me to recover. It’s just not worth going through all of that to play a minute or two in a blowout.”</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>As he has gradually worked his way back into game shape (a process he admits is more frustrating and difficult than he thought it would be), Miami has proven it doesn’t really need him to win. Throw in the way (Roy) Hibbert dominated Greg in the beginning of that late-March game and it’s easy to see Erik Spoelstra’s thought process: We don’t need Greg to win, he wasn’t very effective in the exact situation where we thought we’d need him, and he has chronic pain from his history of knee injuries (not to mention his recent back spasms). With that, is there any reason why I SHOULD play him?</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>I asked him straight-up: “If this is the final chapter of the Greg Oden story — if you’re destined to be a benchwarmer for the rest of your career — are you OK with that? Will you be satisfied with your legacy?”</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>“I’m over all of that,” Greg told me. “I know I’m one of the biggest busts in NBA history and I know that it’ll only get worse as Kevin Durant continues doing big things … It’s frustrating that my body can’t do what my mind wants it to do sometimes. But worrying or complaining about it isn’t going to fix anything … I wish the circumstances would let me play more, but I certainly don’t regret coming back, and I don’t regret signing with the Heat.”</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>But, as Greg mentioned when we met, despite all the differences between NBA reserves like Greg and D.J. White and the walk-ons at UConn and Grambling State, and even Division III guys who ride the bench and the high school JV players who dress for varsity games, the Benchwarmer Mantra unites us all:</em></p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>“It doesn’t say how much you played on your championship ring.”</em></p> </blockquote> <div id="tools"> <ul> <li class="comment"><a href="#comment">Add a Comment</a></li> <li class="email">  <script type="text/javascript">var staf_confirmtext = 'Mail sent'</script> <script type="text/javascript" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20140511065854js_/http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/plugins/sendtoafriend/js.php"></script> <style type="text/css"> #stafBlock { position: absolute !important; z-index: 100000; display: none; width: 200px; } #stafForm { background-color:#f60; border: 2px solid #000; padding: 5px; margin:0; } #stafForm h2 { margin:0 0 4px;color:#fff;font-size:12px !important;} #stafForm input,label, h2 {font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; 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Besides, if he loves basketball, there are plenty of avenues for him to contribute.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841525"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841525" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841525"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841525">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841525" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841525" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Greg Oden is being too hard on himself. How can he be a bust if his body won’t let him play? When he was healthy, he showed what he could do. He’s not a bust in my book, just a guy could play and wanted to play but whose body didn’t hold up. It sucks but it happens.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841531"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841531" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841531"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841531">shockexchange</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841531" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841531" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Being able to walk and chew gum at the same time is a skill. If dude can’t run and jump without hurting himself then he shouldn’t be on a basketball court. That’s why it’s called “athletics.”</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841532"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841532" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841532"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841532">bike</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841532" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841532" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Injury free, Greg would have been the premier defensive center in the league. He has nothing to be ashamed of.<br/> I can’t imagine how disheartening four continuous years of rehab would be with minimal progress. That would be pure hell.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841534"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841534" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841534"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841534">David</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841534" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841534" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Adam Morrison is grinning his ass off somewhere right now.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841535"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841535" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841535"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841535">Doug</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841535" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841535" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Oden fans: “I like big busts and I cannot lie…”</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841545"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841545" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841545"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841545">The GOAT VI</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841545" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841545" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>LeBron is a bust</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841546"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841546" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841546"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841546">Doug</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841546" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841546" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Good point except that he’s obviously a huge bust lol.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841549"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841549" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841549"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841549">vtrobot</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841549" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841549" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Man, 2007. Time flies. Definitely being too hard on himself. A bust is someone who failed to live up to expectations due to being unmotivated, was unable to make near the same impact in the pros that they made in the college game, or was just unable to reach those levels that many thought their perceived skill set would allow them to. Career “ending” injuries that you can’t control mean you can’t be labeled a bust. Although, it doesn’t help the argument when you have someone like KD get picked at #2 behind you. I’d say Darko is the biggest bust of the last decade, considering how high he was picked and who else the Pistons could have picked.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841563"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841563" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841563"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841563">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841563" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841563" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Bust = a player that doesn’t live up to expectations (high expectations mostly)……don’t sugar coat it….. Take your feelings out of it…. I feel bad for him too, but he’s a bust.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841568"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841568" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841568"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841568">bubba</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841568" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841568" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Cold Guy;)</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841581"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841581" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841581"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841581">SilkyJ0hnson</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841581" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841581" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Greg Oden is the Christina Hendricks of busts</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841583"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841583" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841583"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841583">SilkyJ0hnson</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841583" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841583" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>So he’s a bust…ok glad we got that cleared up</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841590"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841590" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841590"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841590">Max</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841590" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841590" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>You other drafters can’t deny,<br/> when a tall guy walks in with a bad pair of knees and you have the first pick,<br/> you take him….</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841594"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841594" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841594"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841594">Max</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841594" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841594" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Len Bias is still a bust imo.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841595"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841595" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841595"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841595">BlackGuy4260</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841595" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841595" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>He never got a chance to play. RIP</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841598"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841598" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841598"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841598">Prince da Ruler</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841598" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841598" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>naw…..Juan Dixon is the biggest bust in the NBA!!!!!!!</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841606"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841606" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841606"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841606">shockexchange</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841606" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841606" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Oden was waiting for someone to say, “No. That’s not true. You’re way too hard on yourself Greg.”</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841608"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841608" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841608"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841608">robb</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841608" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841608" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>I respect Greg so much, to my eyes he’s no bust either. The guy is so tough and determined. 99% of the players would’ve retired if they had to go through the same situation, but Greg never gave up, he kept fighting and after four years he made came back, after enduring pain and frustration. Nobody should say he’s a bust, ever. </p> <p>This guy should receive the Grant Hill award to the most resilient player in the league. Respect!</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841615"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841615" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841615"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841615">i_ball</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841615" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841615" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>I don’t think Morrison can be classified as bust either, after all he has diabetes. It’s one thing playing 30 games in college when you are sick it’s a totally different challenge to go through 82 games. He also had that knee injury.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841616"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841616" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841616"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841616">Shlomo</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841616" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841616" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Great interview with an awful ending by the author.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841617"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841617" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841617"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841617">pposse</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841617" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841617" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>jay cutler plays nfl football with type 1 diabetes and he’s a starting qb</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841634"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841634" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841634"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841634">Thomas Dease</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841634" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841634" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>NEVER GIVE UP N – - – -!!!</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841639"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841639" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841639"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841639">Ryan Cole</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841639" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841639" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>LOL @ the Len Bias and Royce White shots.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841648"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841648" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841648"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841648">Alex</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841648" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841648" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>You can’t talk about Oden being a bust or not being a bust until you had to watch for 5 years while Portland lost, and lost and lost, and he sat on the bench, while Brandon Roy’s knees finally broke down from carrying the weight that ODEN should have carried. And all the hopes of finally have a team worthy of being Proud of while the blazers failed to reach the second round for 14 years, all the while Kevin Durant becomes the Lebron of the western conference and you sit and wonder why this guy you are paying millions of dollars is going to nigh clubs and doing drugs and gets hurt every time he attempts to come play again. And to add insult to injury he blames the city or Portland and the staff of the blazers for his own short commings. He may be the worlds nicest guy, but hes still a bust. End of story</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841649"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841649" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841649"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841649">Raymond</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841649" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841649" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Vin Baker….</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841654"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841654" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841654"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841654">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841654" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841654" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>So, as long as the player has a “good heart, determined, stand up guy” , he won’t be a BUST? OH.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841655"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841655" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841655"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841655">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841655" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841655" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>SO, if Jadaveon Clowney (The #1 pick in the NFL and assumed to be franchise defensive player) plays only 1 game this year and sits the rest of the season due to injuries, and the next several years is off and on the field due to random injuries, HE’s NOT A BUST because its just injuries?<br/> A guy has been picked #1 overall to be a franchise-changing defensive player and doesn’t come anywhere close to being that. That’s called a BUST. A team spent their #1 draft pick on you AND you did not produce anywhere close to what was expected.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841660"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841660" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841660"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841660">Cortez Mack</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841660" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841660" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>“O, if Jadaveon Clowney (The #1 pick in the NFL and assumed to be franchise defensive player) plays only 1 game this year and sits the rest of the season due to injuries, and the next several years is off and on the field due to random injuries, HE’s NOT A BUST because its just injuries? ”</p> <p>Very good, I see you can read, MY PERSONAL OPINION! Which is why I initially said….</p> <p>“Depends on your definition or criteria for “bust”.”</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841663"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841663" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841663"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841663">David</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841663" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841663" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Adam didn’t use his aliments as a crutch, you shouldn’t also.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841667"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841667" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841667"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841667">Doug</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841667" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841667" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>They aren’t really intended to be “shots” I’m just trying to make the point that there are many ways in which a player can be a bust.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841678"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841678" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841678"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841678">robb</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841678" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841678" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>I mean, I usually call bust a player like Milicic or Kwame Brown. You know? players that simply didn’t translate well to the NBA and played like sh*t. Greg Oden’s injuries are not his fault, maybe you’re right but I don’t like calling a fighter a bust.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841689"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841689" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841689"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841689">518greg</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841689" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841689" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Not even close to a bust ….if he’s a bust then grant hill was a bust….a real bust is a guy like darko milic or kwame brown (over hyped bums lol)</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841691"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841691" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841691"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841691">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841691" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841691" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Yea, not a smart opinion when the Man is openly calling himself a bust tho…its your opinion, but you’ve made it public so its open to contradiction.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841693"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841693" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841693"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841693">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841693" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841693" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Yea, But Oden is more of a bust than Kwame. Kwame actually has 10+ seasons in the league where he put up #’s. NOT great stats, but I think anybody would prefer to have Kwame’s career over Oden’s…..Its all sad, but I call it like I see it….Both are “busts” tho.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841694"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841694" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841694"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841694">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841694" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841694" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Not a matter of being nice or not, please do not put words into my mouth.<br/> It’s the concept of “force majeure”. Basically, it’s “an event beyond the control of the parties which prevents one or both parties from fulfilling a contractual obligation.” </p> <p>Being injured and not being able to play sounds a lot like “force majeure” to me. And if you think somebody is a bust because of “force majeure”, (it ain’t like the guy is on the court and playing like s..t), then so be it.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841696"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841696" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841696"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841696">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841696" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841696" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Gotta be on the court PLAYING to fail to live up to expectations. If you are not even in the game, how can you expected to produce?</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841697"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841697" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841697"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841697">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841697" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841697" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Grant Hill is nowhere near a bust…..Grant won Rookie of the Year, several all star teams, playoff runs, Olympic champ (or World champ), NCAA champ, averaged 21, 8 rebs, and 6 dimes in all his 6 years w/ Detroit (wiki)…He met Detroits expectations AND MORE……Oden has nothing close to that, don’t do Grant Like this….</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841698"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841698" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841698"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841698">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841698" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841698" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Sounds like you are blaming him for his poor health. He has no control over that. And again, it’s not about being nice, don’t put words into my mouth, for chrissake.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841701"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841701" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841701"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841701">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841701" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841701" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Not what my post is saying but if I am glad you got something out of it.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841702"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841702" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841702"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841702">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841702" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841702" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Well said. Interesting that this thread sounds as if the guy had control over his health. Do anybody really believe that he was happy not being able to play for FOUR of his prime years?</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841720"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841720" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841720"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841720">Cortez Mack</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841720" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841720" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Donald Sterling is openly saying he is not a racist.</p> <p>I happen to think he is wrong also.</p> <p>“but you’ve made it public so its open to contradiction.”</p> <p>Who said is was not? In fact, I already said…</p> <p>“Depends on your definition or criteria for “bust”.</p> <p>The funny thing is that you are not really contradicting my opinion on if he is a bust or not. You are disputing my very definition definition of the word bust itself.</p> <p>By the definition I (and others) have provided, he is not a “bust”.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841734"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841734" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841734"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841734">RipCity</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841734" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841734" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>you didn’t understand his post then. He is saying busts shouldn’t be measured by if they can stay on the court but rather on their talent. Oden had all the talent to be worthy of that #1 pick but he couldn’t stay on the court because of his knees. He was a difference maker on the defensive end and had a nice post game. Without the injuries there is no doubt in my mind that he would be the #1 center in the league right now. It’s a shame that we’ve been robbed of so many great performances from so many players that have gone down due to injury. Brandon Roy, Elton Brand, Greg Oden, Shaun Livingston, A’mare Stoudemire and I’m sure many more guys I’m forgetting at the moment.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841738"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841738" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841738"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841738">RipCity</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841738" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841738" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>I’m surprised you didn’t get after him for falling to alcoholism too. I suffered through the same 5 years and it sucked but we came through it. Greg didn’t ask for his knees to go to hell</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841745"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841745" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841745"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841745">playa</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841745" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841745" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Good man knows his own limitations- Clint Eastwood/Magnum Force.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841762"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841762" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841762"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841762">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841762" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841762" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Oden never suited up for Portland?</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841779"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841779" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841779"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841779">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841779" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841779" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Your sterling analogy makes no sense, because sterling is going AGAINST audio tapes , popular opinion, and a decade+ of racist behavior to say “no im not a racist”…….. Oden is agreeing with what we all know: he failed to live up to high expectations and he is a BUST…….he is the KNOWN posterchild for being a bust. It’s about as nondebatable a topic there is. </p> <p>All of u are making this too subjective. The BUST label doesnt care if youre injured, drug addict, mom died, unskilled, etc etc….its clear cut: Are we expecting years of production? Yes. Did you produce? No. Ok, bust. Literally the only exception is if you died before or during play.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841783"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841783" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841783"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841783">robb</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841783" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841783" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Technically a bust is a player who, for whatever reason, underachieved and didn’t become the star everybody thought he would be. I understand that, but to me there’s a difference between a guy who sucks as a pro and a guy like Greg whose body didn’t allow him to play. That’s what I respect about Oden, he kept trying to come back until he finally came back he never quit. I understand why he’s called a bust, but I just don’t feel comfortable calling a guy who has worked so hard a bust.<br/> That’s why I agree with you.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841786"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841786" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841786"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841786">Doug</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841786" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841786" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>We’re not talking about whether or not a contract can be legally voided lol…we’re talking about whether or not a player is a bust. “Force Majeure” doesn’t even apply here…this wasn’t a “freak accident” this is an instance where a particular individuals body simply isn’t able to handle the very demanding rigors of the NBA schedule. He was supposed to be great, his body couldn’t handle the NBA, he never came close to living up to the hype. Sometimes a player’s mind can’t handle the NBA and this results in him being a bust, sometimes a players body can’t handle the NBA and this results in him being a bust…Oden is the latter type of bust.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841787"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841787" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841787"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841787">The Seed</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841787" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841787" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Oden is the biggest bust ever. Darko played well for Timberwolves-, Kwame Brown could play defense and people wanted him for defense. Oden does/did nothing.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841797"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841797" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841797"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841797">Cortez Mack</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841797" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841797" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>“Your sterling analogy makes no sense”</p> <p>Let’s say that is true (it’s not), so what?</p> <p>That does not change the fact that you are not arguing with my opinion, you are arguing with my definition.</p> <p>“All of u are making this too subjective. ”</p> <p>That is because, IT IS SUBJECTIVE!</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841802"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841802" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841802"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841802">meatcupfries</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841802" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841802" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>I have actually seen Oden play live, not many people can say that.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841811"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841811" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841811"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841811">The Fury</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841811" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841811" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>He was an All-Star</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841821"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841821" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841821"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841821">Adwrvwv</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841821" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841821" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>“And I’m fine with that,” is the problem with this guy..</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841829"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841829" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841829"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841829">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841829" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841829" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Missing the point entirely. Fulfilling a contractual obligation………let me make it easier for you: basically the question is: are you physically able to to the work? Are you physically able to play? Can you deliver a performance that will be evaluated? </p> <p>If there is no performance, I don’t see what you are evaluating. Let’s make this really absurd. Suppose two teams have to play a game and then the game is cancelled. What is the result of that game? What is the score? How do you know all that stuff is no game was played? Is the game a “bust”? ROFL. </p> <p>A guy is a bust if he’s actually out there performing and is not cutting it. If the guy is not EVEN in the game, I fail to see how he can be a bust. Anyway, your opinion and you are entitled to it.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841830"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841830" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841830"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841830">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841830" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841830" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>He did. He never missed a game when he was up there. Don’t you remember?</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841838"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841838" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841838"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841838">grgeblck</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841838" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841838" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>so what exactly are you proud of?</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841840"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841840" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841840"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841840">Doug</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841840" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841840" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Well to me that makes him the ULTIMATE bust lol. Clearly this argument comes down to semantics; you are defining “bust” in a way that I am not. If I buy a car that I think is gonna be awesome and then it falls apart as soon as the dealer hands me the keys, I think that is a “bust”, I don’t think I need to drive it around for a couple of years and have it suck the whole time to call it a “bust”. I think your definition of bust is too narrow and presumably you think my definition is too broad, but ultimately that’s what this comes down to: semantics.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841844"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841844" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841844"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841844">Kellz</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841844" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841844" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Greg Oden just give it 100% as you always have that’s all anybody can ask of you </p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841849"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841849" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841849"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841849">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841849" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841849" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>You have misinterpreted the definition of the word BUST. AND its leading you to error. Even a guy below says “Adam Morrison is not a bust because he had diabetes”. Really? I rest my case.<br/> Ive literally never heard anyone say Oden was not a bust until this sympathetic article was written. </p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841850"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841850" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841850"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841850">LP @ThisisEther</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841850" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841850" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Actually the definition of bust is widely known. ITs not my personal opinion, its a fact. I’m telling you is your definition is wrong. Please ask around for the meaning of BUST. You can’t just go in and change the definition of a word.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> <li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="dsq-comment-2841859"> <div id="dsq-comment-header-2841859" class="dsq-comment-header"> <cite id="dsq-cite-2841859"> <span id="dsq-author-user-2841859">berkamore</span> </cite> </div> <div id="dsq-comment-body-2841859" class="dsq-comment-body"> <div id="dsq-comment-message-2841859" class="dsq-comment-message"><p>Fair enough. But you car comparison is not quite on point. You would need to have a car that you have to fix many times and it still never quite works correctly, not a car that falls apart right away. </p> <p>A car that falls apart right away (can’t believe I am comparing human beings to cars) would be a player that is not even able to play a single game in the League or gets injured after his first few games and stays injured. (Oden was injured a lot but that is not quite what happened to him). </p> <p>Anyway, you have your opinion and are entitled to it.</p> </div> </div> </li> </li> </ul> </div> </div> <script type="text/javascript"> /* <![CDATA[ */ var disqus_url = 'https://web.archive.org/web/20140511065854/http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2014/05/greg-oden-know-im-one-biggest-busts-nba-history/'; var disqus_identifier = '322316 http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=322316'; var disqus_container_id = 'disqus_thread'; var disqus_domain = 'disqus.com'; var disqus_shortname = 'slamonline'; var disqus_title = "Greg Oden: ‘I Know I’m One of the Biggest Busts in NBA History’"; var disqus_config = function () { var config = this; // Access to the config object /* All currently supported events: * preData — fires just before we request for initial data * preInit - fires after we get initial data but before we load any dependencies * onInit - fires when all dependencies are resolved but before dtpl template is 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