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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Neuroscience" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Neuroscience">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Neuroscience</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Neuroscience</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Neuroscience</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">neuroscience articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_neuroscience_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance neuroscience articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Neuroscience/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Neuroscience/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep." data-mw-thread-id="h-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep.-20220824183700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep.-20220824183700"></span>Vestibular system is very important for controlling breathing during sleep.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep.-20220824183700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Vestibular system is very important for controlling breathing during sleep."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.124.246.188-20220824183700-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep."></span>Reubens et all have shown that the hair cells of the inner ear are chemoreceptors that are sensitive to carbon dioxide. As such I have edited the article to include this information, as the function of the ear is not only for hearing and balance, but also for breathing. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.124.246.188" title="Special:Contributions/31.124.246.188">31.124.246.188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:31.124.246.188#top" title="User talk:31.124.246.188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-31.124.246.188-20220824183700-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.124.246.188-20220824183700-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.124.246.188-20220824183700-Vestibular_system_is_very_important_for_controlling_breathing_during_sleep."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DDGAll139-20231030165300-31.124.246.188-20220824183700"></span>This is my first comment to a Wikipedia article so I apologize if I am not following normal rules.</dd> <dd>I tried to find the Rubens article in footnote 10 about the Vestibular system being important for breathing control.</dd> <dd>The article in the footnote is in a family information website, not a journal. The article says"</dd> <dd>"The Seattle study, which was published in the July 2007 edition of Early Human Development."</dd> <dd>I looked in the July 2007 issue of Early Human Development and could not find any article by Dr. Rubens, or about the Vestibular system.</dd> <dd>I also can't find any other sources which tall about the vestibular system being involved in measurement of CO2 nte the blood stream. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DDGAll139&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DDGAll139 (page does not exist)">DDGAll139</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DDGAll139&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:DDGAll139 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-DDGAll139-20231030165300-31.124.246.188-20220824183700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 30 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DDGAll139-20231030165300-31.124.246.188-20220824183700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DDGAll139-20231030165300-31.124.246.188-20220824183700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disease_or_Inability?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disease_or_Inability?"><span id="Disease_or_Inability.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disease_or_Inability?"></span>Disease or Inability?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disease_or_Inability?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Disease or Inability?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>When an organism, like a human mammal, lacks an ability, it is simply an inability and cannot be considered a disease. The term 'disease' always suggests the presence of a malfunction that should be removed, fixed, made out of existence, or rehabilitated. It also suggests its existence ought to be made non-existent. If one has not the ability for something since birth or losing its ability early in childhood due to genetic factors, how could it be considered a DISEASE? Why is it, does the condition mandates to be cured? It is simply a variety of mankind! What is wrong with the word 'inability', 'variation'? Why must the word 'disease' be used, which itself shows the author to have a disease of the the mind, called "mindset", "attitude", "prejudice", etc. that are injurious to a segment of society. They fall into "audism" and "ableism" categories of asocial practices. Just think, what is wrong being deaf! Does not deafness enhances humankind? What would it be like, if mankind is completely devoid of deaf people? ~~Hartmut Teuber, 19 August 2021. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Humancentric?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Humancentric?-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"><span id="Humancentric.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Humancentric?-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Humancentric?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Humancentric?-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Humancentric?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z-Humancentric?"></span>Feel the term 'our' in relation to the human species is not appropriate. The vestibular system is used by many species of animal, not just humans. I think this should read something like 'the vestibular system is used by all mammalisn species for balance... etc etc. As it is now could mislead someody into thinking this system is human only. Also a encyclopedia is suppose is supposed to be neutral in all respects, meaning we shouldn't use terms like 'our' when reffering to something owned by a human. For example a aticle on the heart should read 'The human heart pumps blood... etc etc' and NOT 'Our heart pumps blood etc etc' - hope thats cool. Maybe someone who knows more on this subjec can edit. It would increase the qualiy of this already very good article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/139.184.30.132" title="Special:Contributions/139.184.30.132">139.184.30.132</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:139.184.30.132" title="User talk:139.184.30.132">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z-Humancentric?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z-Humancentric?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z-Humancentric?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-46.116.93.103-2010-12-30T16:30:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"></span>I agree, i was about to say the same thing. Do you happen to know which animals possess that sense too, BTW?<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.116.93.103" title="Special:Contributions/46.116.93.103">46.116.93.103</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:46.116.93.103&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:46.116.93.103 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-46.116.93.103-2010-12-30T16:30:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-46.116.93.103-2010-12-30T16:30:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-46.116.93.103-2010-12-30T16:30:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Now it's just mammal-centric. The vestibular system was already present in the first vertebrates. Hagfish have something so similar that it's essentially a variant. <a href="/wiki/User:Zyxwv99" title="User:Zyxwv99">Zyxwv99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zyxwv99" title="User talk:Zyxwv99">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z-139.184.30.132-2010-02-11T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TomS_TDotO-2019-07-29T13:43:00.000Z-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z"></span>This doesn't even define or describe what a vestibular system is, except in mammals. I couldn't fnd anything, anywhere in Wikipedia, about what a vestibular system in fish is like, even why it is called "vestibular". Is "vestibular" a descripton of a function, or of an organ? Are there vestibular systems in invertebrates? After nine years, nothing! <a href="/wiki/User:TomS_TDotO" title="User:TomS TDotO">TomS TDotO</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomS_TDotO" title="User talk:TomS TDotO">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-TomS_TDotO-2019-07-29T13:43:00.000Z-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TomS_TDotO-2019-07-29T13:43:00.000Z-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TomS_TDotO-2019-07-29T13:43:00.000Z-Zyxwv99-2015-07-09T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex" data-mw-thread-id="h-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z"></span>Testing by temperature-induced reflex<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Testing by temperature-induced reflex"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex"></span>Apparently the reflex can be used to measure the function of the system by putting cold or warm water in the ear and seeing which way the eyes move. Can we get some more information about this? — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z-Testing_by_temperature-induced_reflex"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Hokkaido_Crow-2006-03-03T14:45:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z"></span>This is a diagnosis of vestibular system problems. See <a href="/wiki/Nystagmus#Diagnosis_and_therapy" title="Nystagmus">Nystagmus#Diagnosis and therapy</a>, it has what you are looking for. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Hokkaido_Crow" title="User:The Hokkaido Crow">The Crow</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-The_Hokkaido_Crow-2006-03-03T14:45:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Hokkaido_Crow-2006-03-03T14:45:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Hokkaido_Crow-2006-03-03T14:45:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-03-03T14:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li>the test where they measure eye motion is called <a href="/wiki/Electronystagmography" title="Electronystagmography">Electronystagmography</a>. The eye motion is produced by putting warm or cold water in the ears. This is know as Caloric testing.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Otolith_picture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Otolith_picture-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Otolith_picture-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z"></span>Otolith picture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Otolith_picture-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Otolith picture"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-67.185.20.109-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span>What happened to Figure 4C? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:67.185.20.109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:67.185.20.109 (page does not exist)">67.185.20.109</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-67.185.20.109-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z-Otolith_picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-67.185.20.109-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-67.185.20.109-2006-08-04T14:28:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.135.223.87-2008-03-27T13:12:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span>The whole discussion around Figure 4 suggests that this text may be pulled from another source -- the citation doesn't seem to be adequately indicating this. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.135.223.87" title="Special:Contributions/70.135.223.87">70.135.223.87</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.135.223.87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:70.135.223.87 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-70.135.223.87-2008-03-27T13:12:00.000Z-Otolith_picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.135.223.87-2008-03-27T13:12:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.135.223.87-2008-03-27T13:12:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HairyDan-2008-08-10T17:52:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span>The text says "Figure 4C shows a cross section through an otolithic organ" but there is no figure 4, let alone 4C </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HairyDan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HairyDan (page does not exist)">HairyDan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HairyDan" title="User talk:HairyDan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-HairyDan-2008-08-10T17:52:00.000Z-Otolith_picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HairyDan-2008-08-10T17:52:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HairyDan-2008-08-10T17:52:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.23.193.127-2008-11-01T23:39:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span>The whole figure 4 seems to be missing. Is it deleted intentionally? If yes, the text should be adapted. suvidu (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.23.193.127" title="Special:Contributions/91.23.193.127">91.23.193.127</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:91.23.193.127&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:91.23.193.127 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-91.23.193.127-2008-11-01T23:39:00.000Z-Otolith_picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.23.193.127-2008-11-01T23:39:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.23.193.127-2008-11-01T23:39:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dtgriscom-2009-02-11T12:17:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span>The image was apparently removed due to an unknown provenance. I've removed all references to it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Dtgriscom" title="User:Dtgriscom">Dan Griscom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dtgriscom" title="User talk:Dtgriscom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Dtgriscom-2009-02-11T12:17:00.000Z-Otolith_picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dtgriscom-2009-02-11T12:17:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dtgriscom-2009-02-11T12:17:00.000Z-Otolith_picture"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_from_Equilibrium" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_from_Equilibrium-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_from_Equilibrium-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Merge from Equilibrium<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_from_Equilibrium-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Merge from Equilibrium"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selket-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z-Merge_from_Equilibrium"></span>As nominator I <b>Support</b> the merge. The other article is a glorified stub and its content should be moved here. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Selket" title="User:Selket">Selket</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selket" title="User talk:Selket">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Selket-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z-Merge_from_Equilibrium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selket-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z-Merge_from_Equilibrium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selket-2007-02-14T18:08:00.000Z-Merge_from_Equilibrium"></span> </p><p>keep the name as vestibular system. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Re: Merge from Equilibrium<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Re: Merge from Equilibrium"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium"></span>"equilibrium" could redirect here<br/>also, I found some things that weren't on "vestibular system" that were on "equilibrium" so merging them should be fine <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.170.240.32" title="Special:Contributions/67.170.240.32">67.170.240.32</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:67.170.240.32&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:67.170.240.32 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z-Re:_Merge_from_Equilibrium"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z"></span>I assume you mean merge from <a href="/wiki/Equilibrioception" class="mw-redirect" title="Equilibrioception">Equilibrioception</a> or has there been some page renaming going on? I <b>oppose</b> the merger, there is more to the sense of balance than the vestibular system in the ear. Vision also plays a part in humans, the <a href="/wiki/Statocyst" title="Statocyst">statocyst</a> (which is already mentioned in equilibrioception) in some animals etc, none of these really have a place in the <a href="/wiki/Vestibular_system" title="Vestibular system">Vestibular system</a> article. Equilibrioception could also contain topics like the effect of alcohol or other drugs on the sense of balance. <a href="/wiki/User:JMiall" title="User:JMiall">JMiall</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z-67.170.240.32-2007-03-13T04:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z"></span>I oppose the merge as well, the Equilibrioception article is about a sense while the Vestibular system article is about the anatomy of a part of the human body. If you do not understand the different, see: <a href="/wiki/Visual_perception" title="Visual perception">Visual perception</a> and <a href="/wiki/Visual_system" title="Visual system">Visual system</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dyingdreams" title="User:Dyingdreams">Dyingdreams</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z-JMiall-2007-04-17T17:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z"></span>I oppose the merge too. Balance does not depend solely on the vestibular system. Visual input and proprioception also feature heavily, as well as their integration in the cerebellum. Each should have its own article illustrating their respective anatomy and function, but there should be a single article (e.g. "equilibrium" discussing how they all come together). --<a href="/wiki/User:Nehwyn" title="User:Nehwyn">Nehwyn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z-Dyingdreams-2007-04-24T00:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.247.192.110-2007-08-09T08:23:00.000Z-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z"></span>I <b>oppose</b> the merge. I discovered what I needed to know from the equilibrioception article. The sense of balance is a universal sense that almost all creatures have, whether or not they have a vestibular system as in humans. I would like to see the equilibrioception article expanded, not merged into this (more limited and specific) article.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:70.247.192.110&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:70.247.192.110 (page does not exist)">70.247.192.110</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-70.247.192.110-2007-08-09T08:23:00.000Z-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.247.192.110-2007-08-09T08:23:00.000Z-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.247.192.110-2007-08-09T08:23:00.000Z-Nehwyn-2007-06-23T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi"></span>Hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Hi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I agree.I support the merge. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_or_not" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_or_not-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_or_not-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z"></span>Merge or not<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_or_not-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Merge or not"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juliabm-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z-Merge_or_not"></span>I think the merge may be indicated for medical specialists, preoccupied with dysfunction and healing, and contra-indicated for neuro-scientists and non-specialists, who look at the sensori-neural systems as a whole. Convergent/divergent: the model is unimportant, so long as one can access the data. The push must be to understanding the hierarchy - since the concept of hierarchy in a branching system seems to me to be crucial. 'Balance' includes all sources of proprioception - auditory, visual, spatial, kinaesthetic - as well as more general physiological feedback in terms of a person's physical entity (muscular tone, age, state of physiological/psychological health, etc.). I don't think anyone can claim that these systems are separate. It strikes me, as a language specialist, that the auditory-vestibular system develops so early in gestation that we should regard it as radical, from which other perceptual and cognitive systems grow. Merge or don't merge - but please do cross-refer! - Signed Juliabm<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Juliabm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Juliabm (page does not exist)">Juliabm</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Juliabm-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z-Merge_or_not" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juliabm-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z-Merge_or_not"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juliabm-2007-08-22T15:25:00.000Z-Merge_or_not"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z"></span>Merging - expansion needed not consolidation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Merging - expansion needed not consolidation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangoette-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation"></span>Hi I think the pages should be kept separate and enlarged. For example there isn't enough information on motion sickness, which is the reason I accessed this page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangoette&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangoette (page does not exist)">Tangoette</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Tangoette-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangoette-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangoette-2007-09-12T12:05:00.000Z-Merging_-_expansion_needed_not_consolidation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_merge_them?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_merge_them?-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z"><span id="Why_merge_them.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_merge_them?-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z"></span>Why merge them?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_merge_them?-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Why merge them?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-35.11.241.133-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z-Why_merge_them?"></span>These two articles are on related but not similiar topics, and trying to lump them into one is not a satisfactory answer. There is sufficient reason to maintain both articles independently. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/35.11.241.133" title="Special:Contributions/35.11.241.133">35.11.241.133</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:35.11.241.133&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:35.11.241.133 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-35.11.241.133-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z-Why_merge_them?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-35.11.241.133-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z-Why_merge_them?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-35.11.241.133-2007-10-16T04:04:00.000Z-Why_merge_them?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Illusions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Illusions-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Illusions-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z"></span>Illusions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Illusions-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Illusions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z-Illusions"></span>I'm removing this from the article: </p> <blockquote><p>Of more importance are illusions of the vestibular system. <i>For example, a person in a descending elevator does not feel it is descending once its initial acceleration has ceased.</i></p></blockquote> <p>So what is the illusion? If the acceleration has ceased, what is there to sense? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.163.17.46" title="Special:Contributions/80.163.17.46">80.163.17.46</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.163.17.46&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.163.17.46 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z-Illusions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z-Illusions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z-Illusions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z"></span>I think that what the author is trying to say here is that it seems as if the elevator has stopped. Although this is indeed an illusion, there really is, as you have said, nothing to sense. The vestibular system is only able to detect accelerations (used in the sense which includes deceleration). The situation is something like inertia.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bosredsox24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bosredsox24 (page does not exist)">Bosredsox24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bosredsox24" title="User talk:Bosredsox24">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 3 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z-80.163.17.46-2009-03-11T16:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bosredsox24-2011-08-23T00:55:00.000Z-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z"></span>The elevator still moves without acceleration - remember, an <a href="/wiki/Acceleration" title="Acceleration">acceleration</a> is a change in speed. The elevator is moving at a nearly constant speed. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bosredsox24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bosredsox24 (page does not exist)">Bosredsox24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bosredsox24" title="User talk:Bosredsox24">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Bosredsox24-2011-08-23T00:55:00.000Z-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bosredsox24-2011-08-23T00:55:00.000Z-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bosredsox24-2011-08-23T00:55:00.000Z-Bosredsox24-2011-04-03T23:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Did_somebody_say_"inept"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z"><span id="Did_somebody_say_.22inept.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z"></span>Did somebody say "inept"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Did somebody say "inept"?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shustov-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?"></span>On 06:41, 14 June 2009, <a href="/wiki/User:Mac_Davis" title="User:Mac Davis">Mac Davis</a> removed the image File:UPSTREAM FITNESS.jpg from <a href="/wiki/Vestibular_system#Experience_from_the_vestibular_system" title="Vestibular system">Vestibular_system#Experience_from_the_vestibular_system</a> saying the following: "… this image has nothing to do with the vestibular system. I thought it was vandalism until I saw how inept the user who added it was." The "Inept" is, apparently, me, user <a href="/wiki/User:Shustov" title="User:Shustov">Shustov</a>. </p><p>Are there any other opinions? In the meantime, I restore the image. <a href="/wiki/User:Shustov" title="User:Shustov">Shustov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shustov" title="User talk:Shustov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Shustov-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shustov-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shustov-2009-06-28T07:35:00.000Z-Did_somebody_say_"inept"?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Otoconia_mass" data-mw-thread-id="h-Otoconia_mass-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Otoconia_mass-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z"></span>Otoconia mass<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Otoconia_mass-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Otoconia mass"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suma_rongi-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z-Otoconia_mass"></span>In section 2, otolithic organ, it says '~ since they are heavier than their surroundings ...'; That perhaps should refer to the <b>density</b>, not the weight. If there is no differential density, there will be no differential movement.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Suma_rongi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Suma rongi (page does not exist)">Suma rongi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suma_rongi" title="User talk:Suma rongi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-Suma_rongi-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z-Otoconia_mass" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suma_rongi-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z-Otoconia_mass"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suma_rongi-2011-06-23T10:05:00.000Z-Otoconia_mass"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Post-traumatic_camel-related_benign_paroxysmal_positional_vertigo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Post-traumatic_camel-related_benign_paroxysmal_positional_vertigo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Post-traumatic_camel-related_benign_paroxysmal_positional_vertigo"></span>Post-traumatic camel-related benign paroxysmal positional vertigo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Post-traumatic_camel-related_benign_paroxysmal_positional_vertigo"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Post-traumatic camel-related benign paroxysmal positional vertigo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I just wanted to point out, for your amusement, that this condition exists. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893910001031">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893910001031</a> It is just one instance of camel-related injuries, according to the authors. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="minor_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-minor_vandalism-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-minor_vandalism-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z"></span>minor vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-minor_vandalism-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: minor vandalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.134.246.219-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z-minor_vandalism"></span>Someone put the Citation Needed tag after "since the world is three-dimensional." 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I removed the change, because, sky is blue thing. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.134.246.219" title="Special:Contributions/74.134.246.219">74.134.246.219</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:74.134.246.219&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:74.134.246.219 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-74.134.246.219-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z-minor_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.134.246.219-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z-minor_vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.134.246.219-2013-06-10T16:26:00.000Z-minor_vandalism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2016-07-20T22:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2016-07-20T22:17:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2016-07-20T22:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2016-07-20T22:17:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/Vestibular_system" title="Vestibular system">Vestibular system</a>. 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The vestibular system detects CO2 in the air and in the blood and without it, life threatening breathing dysfunctions arise. This article was previously very out dated and I think this warrants editing of the article since this is something I'd consider to be very important. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2.29.87.48" title="Special:Contributions/2.29.87.48">2.29.87.48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2.29.87.48#top" title="User talk:2.29.87.48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-2.29.87.48-2018-05-11T07:54:00.000Z-The_vestibular_system_is_critical_to_the_respiratory_system_and_without_it_mamma" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2.29.87.48-2018-05-11T07:54:00.000Z-The_vestibular_system_is_critical_to_the_respiratory_system_and_without_it_mamma"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2.29.87.48-2018-05-11T07:54:00.000Z-The_vestibular_system_is_critical_to_the_respiratory_system_and_without_it_mamma"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z"><span id="Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z"></span>Why no mention of how the vestibular system is essential for respiration?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Why no mention of how the vestibular system is essential for respiration?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-95.149.11.14-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?"></span>The vestibular system plays an essential role in normal respiration in mammals. A study conducted by Allen et al in 2011 showed that bilateral loss of vestibular function caused a significant decrease in ventilatory response to hypercapnia, or increased CO2. People with inner ear dysfunction typically exhibit signs of acidosis due to breathing irregularities due to damage to this vital chemosensing organ, which plays a larger role than the medulla in this function. </i> - I edited the article. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/95.149.11.14" title="Special:Contributions/95.149.11.14">95.149.11.14</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:95.149.11.14&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:95.149.11.14 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vestibular_system#c-95.149.11.14-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-95.149.11.14-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-95.149.11.14-2019-10-06T21:53:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_how_the_vestibular_system_is_essential_for_respiration?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jargon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jargon-20230610185500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jargon-20230610185500"></span>Jargon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jargon-20230610185500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vestibular_system&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Jargon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Humphrey_Tribble-20230610185500-Jargon"></span>This article has excessive jargon. It is too difficult for readers to understand unless they have a background in the field. 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