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Tulisa vs The Fake Sheikh</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">How Tulisa fell into a career-faltering trap set by a notorious journalist.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 34 mins">34 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div 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288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0k2f9r2.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0k2f9r2.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0k2f9r2.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0k2f9r2.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0k2f9r2.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0k2f9r2.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0k2f9r2.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0k2f9r2.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid 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sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">In Love: How do the partners and families of politicians impact their public profile?</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 26 mins">26 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 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224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0k16fvk.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0k16fvk.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0k16fvk.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0k16fvk.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0k16fvk.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0k16fvk.jpg 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motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">On Trial: Goop vs California</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">What does the lawsuit around Goop’s jade eggs tell us about celebs and wellness?</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 28 mins">28 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" 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srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jxpjn1.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jxpjn1.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jxpjn1.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jxpjn1.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jxpjn1.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jxpjn1.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jxpjn1.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jxpjn1.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jxpjn1.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jxpjn1.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jxpjn1.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jxpjn1.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 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160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jv9s90.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jv9s90.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jv9s90.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jv9s90.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jv9s90.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jv9s90.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jv9s90.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jv9s90.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jv9s90.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jv9s90.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jv9s90.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 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group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">On Trial: Reality TV Stars vs Reality TV</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Stacey Dooley and Larry Dean ask: "Are reality TV stars being mistreated and exploited?"</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 29 mins">29 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jwm61f" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark On Trial: Reality TV Stars vs Reality TV"><span class="sw-flex"><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 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srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jwm54k.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jwm54k.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jwm54k.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jwm54k.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jwm54k.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jwm54k.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jwm54k.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jwm54k.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jwm54k.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jwm54k.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jwm54k.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jwm54k.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jwm54k.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 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What does success on a TV dating show look like?</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Jack and Sarel discuss how TV dating shows can lead to fame.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 35 mins">35 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jw5jss" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark In Love: What does success on a TV dating show look like?"><span class="sw-flex"><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><svg width="1em" 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class="sw-border-b sw-border-divider sw-py-4"><div class="sw-grow sw--ml-2 m:sw--ml-4 sw-relative" data-testid="playableListCard"><a href="/sounds/play/p0jv5gx3" aria-label="On Trial: Celebs vs Cooking, Who are the worst celeb chefs, and whose dinner party do we want an invite to?, duration: 26 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"13"}" data-bbc-result="p0jv5gx3" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jv9s90.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jv9s90.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jv9s90.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jv9s90.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jv9s90.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jv9s90.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jv9s90.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jv9s90.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jv9s90.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jv9s90.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jv9s90.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jv9s90.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jv9s90.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">On Trial: Celebs vs Cooking</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Who are the worst celeb chefs, and whose dinner party do we want an invite to?</p><div 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448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jtrlt3.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jtrlt3.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jtrlt3.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jtrlt3.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jtrlt3.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jtrlt3.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jtrlt3.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jtrlt3.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jtrlt3.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jtrlt3.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jtrlt3.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jtrlt3.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jtrlt3.jpg 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data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"16"}" data-bbc-result="p0js94dk" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jsnc7d.jpg.webp 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624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jsnc7d.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 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576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jrrx42.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jrrx42.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jrrx42.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jrrx42.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jrrx42.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jrrx42.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrx42.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jrrx42.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jrrx42.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jrrx42.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jrrx42.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jrrx42.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img 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class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">On Trial: Kylie Jenner vs Hustle Culture</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Are the likes of Kylie Jenner and Molly-Mae Hague working harder than the rest of us?</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 29 mins">29 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 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sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jrrwz5.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jrrwz5.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jrrwz5.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jrrwz5.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jrrwz5.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jrrwz5.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrwz5.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jrrwz5.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jrrwz5.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jrrwz5.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jrrwz5.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jrrwz5.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrwz5.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full 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motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">In Love: Do relationships always make good material for pop stars?</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Jack and Sarel look at why pop stars use their relationships when writing hit songs.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 34 mins">34 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" 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sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jrrwqc.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jrrwqc.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jrrwqc.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jrrwqc.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jrrwqc.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jrrwqc.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrwqc.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jrrwqc.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jrrwqc.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jrrwqc.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jrrwqc.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jrrwqc.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jrrwqc.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 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group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">On Trial: Sugababes vs The Music Industry</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">How did the girl group find themselves in a legal battle to get their name back?</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 29 mins">29 mins</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" 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srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jpjvf2.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jpjvf2.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jpjvf2.jpg 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group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">In Love: 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Winona, Winona: 6. The Upside Down, Maisie Williams follows Winona Ryder on her long journey back to the top., release date: 28 Aug 2024, duration: 35 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"21"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlstqf" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: 6. The Upside Down</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Maisie Williams follows Winona Ryder on her long journey back to the top.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 35 mins">35 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 28 Aug 2024">28 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlstqf" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... Winona"><span class="sw-flex"><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-block pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-block" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><span class="sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-primary l:sw-text-primary pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden">Bookmark</span><span class="sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-inline pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-inline sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-accent sw-underline" aria-hidden="true">Bookmark</span></span></button><span class="sw-sr-only" aria-live="polite"></span></span></div></div></div></li><li class="sw-border-b sw-border-divider sw-py-4"><div class="sw-grow sw--ml-2 m:sw--ml-4 sw-relative" data-testid="playableListCard"><a href="/sounds/play/p0jlsshk" aria-label="Famously... Winona, Winona: 5. Free Winona, Maisie Williams explores the fallout from Winona’s notorious shoplifting scandal., release date: 28 Aug 2024, duration: 31 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"22"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsshk" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: 5. Free Winona</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Maisie Williams explores the fallout from Winona’s notorious shoplifting scandal.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 31 mins">31 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 28 Aug 2024">28 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsshk" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... Winona"><span class="sw-flex"><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-block pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-block" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><span class="sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-primary l:sw-text-primary pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden">Bookmark</span><span class="sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-inline pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-inline sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-accent sw-underline" aria-hidden="true">Bookmark</span></span></button><span class="sw-sr-only" aria-live="polite"></span></span></div></div></div></li><li class="sw-border-b sw-border-divider sw-py-4"><div class="sw-grow sw--ml-2 m:sw--ml-4 sw-relative" data-testid="playableListCard"><a href="/sounds/play/p0jlsrqp" aria-label="Famously... Winona, Winona: 4. Life, Interrupted, Winona Ryder is on a creative high in the run up to a career-threatening scandal., release date: 28 Aug 2024, duration: 26 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"23"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsrqp" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: 4. Life, Interrupted</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Winona Ryder is on a creative high in the run up to a career-threatening scandal.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 26 mins">26 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 28 Aug 2024">28 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsrqp" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... Winona"><span class="sw-flex"><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-block pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-block" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><span class="sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-primary l:sw-text-primary pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden">Bookmark</span><span class="sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-inline pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-inline sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-accent sw-underline" aria-hidden="true">Bookmark</span></span></button><span class="sw-sr-only" aria-live="polite"></span></span></div></div></div></li><li class="sw-border-b sw-border-divider sw-py-4"><div class="sw-grow sw--ml-2 m:sw--ml-4 sw-relative" data-testid="playableListCard"><a href="/sounds/play/p0jlsp6p" aria-label="Famously... Winona, Winona: 3. Feeling 22, Maisie Williams follows a turbulent era in the Winona Ryder story., release date: 28 Aug 2024, duration: 29 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"24"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsp6p" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: 3. Feeling 22</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Maisie Williams follows a turbulent era in the Winona Ryder story.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 29 mins">29 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 28 Aug 2024">28 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsp6p" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... Winona"><span class="sw-flex"><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><svg width="1em" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-0 sw-mr-2 sw-fill-accent sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-block pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-block" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M31.999 13.42h-13.42V0h-5.16v13.42H0v5.16h13.418V32h5.161V18.58H32z"></path></svg><span class="sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-primary l:sw-text-primary pointerFine:group-hover:sw-hidden pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-hidden">Bookmark</span><span class="sw-hidden pointerFine:group-hover:sw-visible pointerFine:group-hover:sw-inline pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-visible pointerFine:group-focus-visible:sw-inline sw-text-brevier sw-font-bold sw-text-accent sw-underline" aria-hidden="true">Bookmark</span></span></button><span class="sw-sr-only" aria-live="polite"></span></span></div></div></div></li><li class="sw-border-b sw-border-divider sw-py-4"><div class="sw-grow sw--ml-2 m:sw--ml-4 sw-relative" data-testid="playableListCard"><a href="/sounds/play/p0jlsnsq" aria-label="Famously... Winona, Winona: 2. Boy Trouble, Maisie Williams follows Winona Ryder as she grows up in the glare of the tabloid press., release date: 28 Aug 2024, duration: 26 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"25"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsnsq" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: 2. Boy Trouble</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Maisie Williams follows Winona Ryder as she grows up in the glare of the tabloid press.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 26 mins">26 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 28 Aug 2024">28 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jlsnsq" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... 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Winona, Winona: 1. The Strangest Things, Maisie Williams on the origins of one of Hollywood’s most iconic talents., release date: 28 Aug 2024, duration: 29 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"26"}" data-bbc-result="p0jl8yz1" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: 1. The Strangest Things</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Maisie Williams on the origins of one of Hollywood’s most iconic talents.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 29 mins">29 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 28 Aug 2024">28 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jl8yz1" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... 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Winona, Winona: Prologue, Maisie Williams explores the extraordinary life and career of Winona Ryder., release date: 27 Aug 2024, duration: 4 mins" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"27"}" data-bbc-result="p0jltg27" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jl5rht.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jl5rht.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jl5rht.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jl5rht.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jl5rht.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jl5rht.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jl5rht.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jl5rht.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jl5rht.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jl5rht.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jl5rht.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously... Winona</span><p class="sw-text-long-primer sw-mt-1">Winona: Prologue</p><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Maisie Williams explores the extraordinary life and career of Winona Ryder.</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 4 mins">4 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 27 Aug 2024">27 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv"}" data-bbc-result="p0jltg27" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" aria-label="Bookmark Famously... 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class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">Famously: A message from Sarel...</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">While the four hosts are on their holidays, a new Famously boxset drops tomorrow</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 1 min">1 min</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 27 Aug 2024">27 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden 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(max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jpjxhq.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-full sw-inline-block sw-align-top sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 m:sw-w-8/12 sw-mb-7 l:sw-w-6/12"><div class="sw-flex sw-flex-col"><div class="sw-text-primary"><span class="sw-text-primary sw-font-bold sw-transition sw-ease sw-transition-colors sw-duration-350 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none group-active:sw-text-accent group-active:sw-underline group-focus:sw-text-accent group-focus:sw-underline group-hover:sw-text-accent group-hover:sw-underline sw-text-pica sw-antialiased sw-text-primary">On Trial: Nepo Babies vs the Internet</span><p class="sw-text-secondary sw-text-brevier sw-mt-1">Are we too harsh on “nepo babies,” or is the judgement deserved?</p><div class="sw-text-brevier sw-text-secondary"><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="duration: 28 mins">28 mins</span><span class="sw-inline-block sw-mt-1 sw-pr-2 sw-mr-2 sw-border-r first:sw-ml-0 last:sw-border-r-0 last:sw-pr-0 last:sw-mr-0 l:sw-ml-2 l:sw-mr-0" aria-label="release date: 22 Aug 2024">22 Aug 2024</span></div></div></div></div><div class="sw-w-1/4 m:sw-hidden sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-end sw-grow sw-mr-2"><div class="sw-flex sw-items-center sw-justify-center sw-rounded-full sw-fill-grey-1 sw-bg-sounds-core sw-size-6 group-hover:sw-bg-sounds-dark"><svg width="10px" height="10px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-fill-grey-1 sw-ml-0.5" aria-hidden="true" focusable="false"><path d="M3 32l26-16L3 0z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4 sw-hidden"></div><div class="sw-pl-2 m:sw-pl-4 sw-w-9/12 m:sw-w-8/12 l:sw-w-6/12 sw--mt-[36px]"><span><button class="sw-group sw-text-brevier sw-flex no-js:sw-hidden sw--ml-2 sw-mt-2 sw-min-w-[6.5rem] sw-p-2" data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="bookmark" data-bbc-event-type="add" 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data-bbc-container="list-tleo" data-bbc-content-label="content" data-bbc-event-type="select" data-bbc-metadata="{"APP":"responsive::sounds","BID":"p0j3pnxv","POS":"30"}" data-bbc-result="p0jkc28x" data-bbc-source="bbc_sounds_podcasts" class="sw-group sw-grow"><div class="sw-flex sw-w-full"><div class="sw-hidden m:sw-block m:sw-w-1/5 l:sw-w-1/6 xl:sw-w-1/8 sw-pl-4"><div class="sw-relative"><div class="sw-bg-grey-6"><div class="sw-aspect-w-1 sw-aspect-h-1"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jkcnyt.jpg.webp 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><source type="image/jpg" srcSet="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/160x160/p0jkcnyt.jpg 160w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/192x192/p0jkcnyt.jpg 192w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/224x224/p0jkcnyt.jpg 224w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/288x288/p0jkcnyt.jpg 288w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x368/p0jkcnyt.jpg 368w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jkcnyt.jpg 400w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/448x448/p0jkcnyt.jpg 448w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496x496/p0jkcnyt.jpg 496w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x512/p0jkcnyt.jpg 512w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/576x576/p0jkcnyt.jpg 576w,https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/624x624/p0jkcnyt.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 599px) 50vw, (max-width: 899px) 33vw, (max-width: 1279px) 17vw, 194.66px"/><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400x400/p0jkcnyt.jpg" width="100" alt="" loading="lazy" class="sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-object-cover"/></picture></div></div><div class="sw-absolute sw-w-full sw-h-full sw-top-0 sw-opacity-0 sw-bg-grey-10/[.85] sw-duration-350 sw-transition-opacity group-active:sw-opacity-100 group-focus:sw-opacity-100 group-hover:sw-opacity-100 motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-border-2 sw-border-[transparent] sw-border-solid xl:sw-border-4"><svg width="32px" height="32px" viewBox="0 0 32 32" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="sw-ease sw-transition motion-reduce:sw-transition-none sw-duration-350 sw-absolute sw-ml-0.5 sw-left-1/2 sw-top-1/2 -sw-translate-x-1/2 -sw-translate-y-1/2 sw-fill-grey-1" aria-hidden="true" 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