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Again, welcome! <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:23:00.000Z-Welcome!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:23:00.000Z-Welcome!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:23:00.000Z-Welcome!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Concerns" data-mw-thread-id="h-Concerns-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Concerns-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z"></span>Concerns<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Concerns-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Concerns"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z-Concerns"></span>I came across one of Brogo's edits while patrolling for vandalism, and saw all these vandalism warnings on this user talk page. I nearly reported Brogo to AIV, but when I examined the edits more closely, they were not vandalism. Changing <code>&nbsp;</code> to <code><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Nbsp" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Nbsp">nbsp</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></code> or a double space into a single space might be unnecessary, but it's not vandalism. It's intended as an improvement to the article, and regardless of whether it is or isn't an improvement, it falls under multiple sections of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTV">WP:NOTV</a>, like "bold editing" and possibly "incorrect markup". And while those examples might be questionable, adding a non-breaking space <i>in accordance with</i> the MOS (like between the number and month in a date, or prior to an ellipses, see <a href="/wiki/MOS:NBSP" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:NBSP">MOS:NBSP</a>) is <i>definitely</i> not vandalism or a test edit. Those are improvements. I don't understand why such edits are being reverted, or would merit a vandalism or test warning. But hey, I'm not an admin or anything, so I'm pinging <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">an admin who patrols AIV</a> to see if she wants to chime in, because I don't think it's productive for final-warning templates to keep being posted here without some clarity one way or the other. Maybe we can resolve this before it gets to ANI? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Leviv</a><span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">ich</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Levivich-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z-Concerns" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z-Concerns"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T19:41:00.000Z-Concerns"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z-Concerns"></span>Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Levivich - I agree. I scanned the edits Brogo13 has made, and although I haven't looked at every single one, I have seen exactly zero edits that are vandalism. Do any of the people pasting warnings here have a dif of a vandalistic edit? Plesae paste below, thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z-Concerns" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z-Concerns"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z-Concerns"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z"></span>I have been bold and removed all the Warnspam. Until and unless I see a dif of vandalism, I'm going to say it's best those remain gone. Editors are free to warn in the future, of course - but it does appear to me that this is a Newbie Wikignome, who could be an awful lot of help if people would help show him the ropes. One puppy's opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T19:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z"></span>I disagree with your opinion, and have restored the warnings. Brogo13 has been prickly towards constructive criticism, has not adequately explained edits, and has not slowed down their rapid editing pace despite the warnings. I wouldn't call Brogo's edits vandalism, though they often make unnecessary changes that are not supported by either the MOS or standard English grammar. Such changes are sometimes a net neutral, as the article is no worse after the change, but some of Brogo's edits are a net negative, reducing the clarity and quality of the article. I am not sure how many articles you looked at, but if you find any edit that changes wording, it is usually not for the better. If the user wants to improve, that is great. If they challenge legitimate criticism and do not change their behavior or attitude, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a> may apply.<a href="/wiki/User:Dialectric" title="User:Dialectric">Dialectric</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dialectric" title="User talk:Dialectric">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:29:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z"></span>Have you a dif of a vandalistic, as opposed to a well-intentioned (but possibly unhelpful) edit? Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:29:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:29:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:29:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z"></span>Oh and so far as him not being terribly responsive, I'm thinking <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BITE">WP:BITE</a> is the page to read - can you really blame him? No one tried to help or explain anything. <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z"></span>Several users tried to explain the issues to him and did not receive any form of reply. Donner60's first post, in July, linked the Manual of Style, and said that "edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason". I also suggested in August that Brogo13 “stick with WP:MOS related improvements, and not reword sentences unless they are seriously flawed.” I would characterise this as 'editors trying to help and explain'. As I said above, I see unconstructive edits rather than vandalism; certainly Brogo13's leaving the edit summary ‘rm cranio-rectal inversion', which was mentioned in the sections you archived, is poor form.<a href="/wiki/User:Dialectric" title="User:Dialectric">Dialectric</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dialectric" title="User talk:Dialectric">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:49:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Agreed, agreed, and agreed. Still not vandalism; <i>has</i> he vandalized at all? thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:49:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:49:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:49:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z"></span>About <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13/Archive_1#August_2019_-_copyedits" title="User talk:Brogo13/Archive 1">/Archive 1#August 2019 - copyedits</a>, where this edit by Brogo was quoted:</dd> <dd></dd> <dd>From:</dd> <dd></dd> <dd><span style="color:blue">It conducted 3 and 5 day seminars (often labelled as "retreats") and used high pressure tactics to sell these to its customers.</span></dd> <dd></dd> <dd>To:</dd> <dd></dd> <dd><span style="color:blue">It conducted <u>three-</u> and <u>five-day</u> seminars (often labelled "retreats") and used high pressure tactics to sell <u>courses</u>.</span></dd> <dd></dd> <dd>Changing "3 and 5" to "three- and five-" is per <a href="/wiki/MOS:NUMERAL" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:NUMERAL">MOS:NUMERAL</a>. Yet, Dialectric, you wrote, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">I suggest you stick with WP:MOS related improvements ...</q> I don't understand? As for "these to its customers" → "courses", isn't that the sort of thing we discuss on article talk pages and come to consensus about? I don't see how that, in any way, merits a warning? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Leviv</a><span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">ich</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T20:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z"></span>If you review <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_University&diff=prev&oldid=912569795">the relevant edit to Trump University</a>, you will see that Brogo13 made extensive changes that are not covered by the MOS, described the edit as minor, and as with many of his problematic edits, left only the edit summary 'ce'. If the change was limited to numbering, I would have no issue, and that woud fall under 'sticking with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">WP:MOS</a>'.<a href="/wiki/User:Dialectric" title="User:Dialectric">Dialectric</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dialectric" title="User talk:Dialectric">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z-Levivich-2019-09-18T20:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T21:08:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the diff! I'm still not really understanding your perspective. For example, you describe it as a "problematic edit" – what's problematic about it? I'd agree that it should not have been flagged minor, but that is something we could have told Brogo, yet you did not mention that at all in your post. In fact, the word "minor" does not seem to appear in their archive at all. How is Brogo supposed to know about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MINOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MINOR">WP:MINOR</a> if no one tells them? Next, "extensive changes that are not covered by the MOS" sounds like every edit I've ever made. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> is still our way, isn't it? What's the problem with "extensive" changes? <i>Why</i> should Brogo "stick with the MOS"? Reading over that diff, I think I agree with each and every copyedit that was made–in each case, improving readability of the prose. But if there were some edits you disagreed with, why not just raise that on the article talk page, as we normally do, instead of treating it like Brogo's edits are somehow disruptive or against consensus or policy? Finally, I think "ce" was the correct edit summary, because all of those were copyedits. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Leviv</a><span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">ich</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Levivich-2019-09-18T21:08:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T21:08:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2019-09-18T21:08:00.000Z-Dialectric-2019-09-18T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Archives,_page_blanking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Archives,_page_blanking-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z"><span id="Archives.2C_page_blanking"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Archives,_page_blanking-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z"></span>Archives, page blanking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Archives,_page_blanking-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Archives, page blanking"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z-Archives,_page_blanking"></span>Brogo13, I've archived your talk page, I hope you don't mind. Please be aware you are completely within your rights to remove any or all of the content on that page, or on this page - you don't have to leave talk page messages if you don't want them. The only exceptions are if you are blocked, and you request unblock and you're declined, you have to leave that. More information can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REMOVED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REMOVED">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z-Archives,_page_blanking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z-Archives,_page_blanking"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z-Archives,_page_blanking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-19T01:30:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z"></span>I've received your email, and am glad you approve of the archiving.</dd> <dd>I'm having email issues right now and cannot reply in that venue. I'd be happy to discuss here if you like - or we can let it slide pending my getting a working email for Wikipedia communications. <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">Killer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua"><span style="color: #415651;">Chihuahua</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-19T01:30:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 19 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-19T01:30:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-19T01:30:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2019-09-18T20:32:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd>Let it slide, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Introduction&diff=next&oldid=911735817">absolutely.</a> <b>8</b><big>r'</big> --02:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spacing_in_infoboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spacing_in_infoboxes-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spacing_in_infoboxes-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z"></span>Spacing in infoboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spacing_in_infoboxes-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Spacing in infoboxes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z-Spacing_in_infoboxes"></span>Usually we have spaces to keep the text aligned. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z-Spacing_in_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 25 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z-Spacing_in_infoboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z-Spacing_in_infoboxes"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyjsmith-2019-09-25T07:12:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z"></span>This user has a thing about spaces and has been warned for it recently - see the archived talk page <a href="/wiki/User:Andyjsmith" title="User:Andyjsmith">Andyjsmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyjsmith" title="User talk:Andyjsmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Andyjsmith-2019-09-25T07:12:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyjsmith-2019-09-25T07:12:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyjsmith-2019-09-25T07:12:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-09-25T04:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reversions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reversions"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reversions"></span>Reversions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reversions"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Reversions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akane_Yamaguchi&diff=prev&oldid=918756170">FYI</a> <b>8</b><big>r'</big> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blank_lines_in_source" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blank_lines_in_source-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blank_lines_in_source-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"></span>Blank lines in source<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blank_lines_in_source-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Blank lines in source"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z-Blank_lines_in_source"></span>Please do not squeeze out single blank lines before paragraphs as you did <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apollo_program&diff=prev&oldid=919642280">here</a>. They are very useful to help editors navigate the source text. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon" title="User talk:Dicklyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z-Blank_lines_in_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 5 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z-Blank_lines_in_source"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z-Blank_lines_in_source"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apollo_program&type=revision&diff=919660448&oldid=919642280"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2019-10-05T20:24:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"></span>Got it</a>. Thanks again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2019-10-05T20:24:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 5 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2019-10-05T20:24:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2019-10-05T20:24:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2019-10-06T15:03:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"></span>And <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=919903592&oldid=919845822">again</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2019-10-06T15:03:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2019-10-06T15:03:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2019-10-06T15:03:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2019-10-05T20:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trump_Ukraine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trump_Ukraine-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trump_Ukraine-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z"></span>Trump Ukraine<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trump_Ukraine-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Trump Ukraine"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SPECIFICO-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z-Trump_Ukraine"></span>Your edit summary said "copy edit" but you changed the meaning of the article text by removing valid well-sourced content. You should restore that content. Also, please note the Discretionary Sanctions notice on the top of the article talk page. I'm not sure you should have repeated your revert there in less than 24 hours and without seeking talk paged discussion/consensus. Please consider. <a href="/wiki/User:SPECIFICO" title="User:SPECIFICO"><b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SPECIFICO" title="User talk:SPECIFICO"> <i>talk</i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-SPECIFICO-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z-Trump_Ukraine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SPECIFICO-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z-Trump_Ukraine"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SPECIFICO-2019-11-11T20:42:00.000Z-Trump_Ukraine"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice-2019-11-11T20:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice-2019-11-11T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Notice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice-2019-11-11T20:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Notice"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SPECIFICO-2019-11-11T20:44:00.000Z-Notice"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style="background-color: #E5F8FF;"> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 50px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Commons-emblem-notice.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/50px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/75px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/100px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. <i>It does <b>not</b> imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.</i> </p><p>You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. 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In case you are not aware, <a href="/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal" title="Trump–Ukraine scandal">Trump–Ukraine scandal</a> and several other American politics articles are under strict editing restrictions. You violated the restrictions on Trump–Ukraine scandal, which conspicuously warn: </p><p><b>*You must not make more than one revert per 24 hours to this article.</b> </p><p><b>*You must not reinstate any challenged (via reversion) edits without obtaining consensus on the talk page of this article</b> </p><p>If you want to continue to edit controversial subjects, you should be very careful. 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Regarding your recent edits at <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a>, please be aware that templates, nbsp, etc, should not be used within <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|title=</code> values, per <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_news#COinS" title="Template:Cite news">Template:Cite news#COinS</a>. The same goes for a number of other cite parameters, listed there. The list does not include <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|quote=</code>, for example, but I find it easier to simply omit templates, nbsp, etc from all cite parameters.</p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>You can fix that in the Trump article, or I'll fix it some time today. ―<a href="/wiki/User:Mandruss" title="User:Mandruss"><span style="color:#775C57;"><i><b>Mandruss</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss" title="User talk:Mandruss"><span style="color:#888;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z-COinS" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z-COinS"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z-COinS"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2019-11-22T16:57:00.000Z-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z"></span>Please do "fix it", likewise <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Impeachment_inquiry_against_Donald_Trump&diff=prev&oldid=927456107">this</a>, before somebody simply reverts them. (I hit Publish, then immediately saw your message.) <a href="/wiki/Mad_Gab" title="Mad Gab">Preachy ate chew!</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2019-11-22T16:57:00.000Z-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 22 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2019-11-22T16:57:00.000Z-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2019-11-22T16:57:00.000Z-Mandruss-2019-11-22T16:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia.27s_default_spacings_around_headings"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia's default spacings around headings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Wikipedia's default spacings around headings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BullRangifer-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings"></span>This is just a courtesy notification. See <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier&diff=927386122&oldid=927385062">this edit and the edit summary there.</a> </p><p>Also look at my test section <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BullRangifer#Test_of_spacings_around_headings" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BullRangifer">here</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BullRangifer">BullRangifer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BullRangifer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-BullRangifer-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BullRangifer-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BullRangifer-2019-11-22T18:11:00.000Z-Wikipedia's_default_spacings_around_headings"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Curious..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Curious...-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Curious...-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Curious...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Curious...-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Curious..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z-Curious..."></span>I'm curious about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier&diff=next&oldid=928880612">this edit</a>, more specifically this part: </p> <ul><li>Previous: for at least 5 years</li></ul> <dl><dd>Appearance: for at least 5 years</dd></dl> <ul><li>Changed: for at least 5{{nbsp}}years</li></ul> <dl><dd>Appearance: for at least 5<span class="nowrap"> </span>years</dd></dl> <p>What difference does that edit make? Wiki markup doesn't need the {{nbsp}}, AFAIK. A single space functions as.....a single space. <abbr title="Winking face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/18px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/27px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/36px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> </p><p>The same applies here: </p> <ul><li>buh. ...buh</li> <li>buh.{{nbsp}}...buh</li></ul> <p>The appearance is the same, with or without the {{nbsp}}, so there doesn't seem to be any need for it in such cases. -- <a href="/wiki/User:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BullRangifer">BullRangifer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BullRangifer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z-Curious..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z-Curious..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z-Curious..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2019-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"></span>5 years is five years, however you spell or say or paraphrase or quote it – until <i>years</i> gets <a href="/wiki/Line_wrap_and_word_wrap" title="Line wrap and word wrap">broken</a> off that two-word concept onto the next line, e.g. an "orphaned" 5. (Words slip right past your consciousness; numbers, especially on either margin, not so much.) Similarly, an ellipsis should either drag the preceeding word with it or be dragged by adjacent punctuation. Consider also World War II, Apollo 17, and screens far wider or narrower than yours. Meanwhile, I've run afoul of the "reverting a reversion without discussion" thing, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Typographic_conformity" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">MOS notwithstanding</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2019-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2019-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2019-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2019-12-03T04:35:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> <a href="/wiki/MOS:NBSP" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:NBSP">MOS:NBSP</a> <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Leviv</a><span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">ich</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Levivich-2019-12-03T04:35:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2019-12-03T04:35:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2019-12-03T04:35:00.000Z-BullRangifer-2019-12-02T23:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Ah! 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2020-02-22T13:18:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_February_22"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2020-02-22T13:18:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_February_22"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_summaries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_summaries-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_summaries-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z"></span>Edit summaries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_summaries-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Edit summaries"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickneil-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z-Edit_summaries"></span>Hi, can I ask you to use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_summary" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit summary">Edit Summary</a> field to leave information about every edit to pages here on Wikipedia. I see you've just been entering the letters "ce" in that place, and don't think those are adequate or describe the changes being made. If you find yourself moving too fast to write accurate edit summaries, consider slowing down. Thanks.-- <a href="/wiki/User:Patrickneil" title="User:Patrickneil">Patrick</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickneil" title="User talk:Patrickneil"><sub>o</sub><small>Ѻ</small><sup>∞</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Patrickneil-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z-Edit_summaries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickneil-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z-Edit_summaries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickneil-2020-03-02T18:15:00.000Z-Edit_summaries"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z"></span>Correcting punctuation in source titles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Correcting punctuation in source titles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"></span>First, you are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">edit warring</a>. When someone reverts your edit, you take it to the talk page or drop it. From the nutshell at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> (my emphasis): "If your edit gets reverted, <b>do not revert again.</b> Instead, begin a discussion with the person who reverted your change to establish consensus." You reverted again. </p><p>Also, the guideline you cited in your edit warring revert is about quotations, and in fact the <b>second word</b> at that link is "quotation". We are not talking about a quotation, but about the title of a source, which needs to match the original except for straightening curly quotemarks and apostrophes. Otherwise altering punctuation can make it more difficult to locate the source at an alternate location if the original becomes a deadlink. ―<a href="/wiki/User:Mandruss" title="User:Mandruss"><span style="color:#775C57;"><i><b>Mandruss</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss" title="User talk:Mandruss"><span style="color:#888;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:41:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"></span>I didn't have to ping you in my edit summary, by the way. I did so as a courtesy to you, not as an invitation to edit war. Had I not done so, you very well might never have known you had been partially reverted. ―<a href="/wiki/User:Mandruss" title="User:Mandruss"><span style="color:#775C57;"><i><b>Mandruss</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss" title="User talk:Mandruss"><span style="color:#888;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z"></span>Just <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&diff=prev&oldid=949322436">... don't.</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-04-05T20:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T21:36:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z"></span>What does that mean? ―<a href="/wiki/User:Mandruss" title="User:Mandruss"><span style="color:#775C57;"><i><b>Mandruss</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss" title="User talk:Mandruss"><span style="color:#888;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T21:36:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T21:36:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mandruss-2020-04-05T21:36:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-05T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"></span>Brogo, Mandruss is correct. We cite the titles of sources exactly the way the source used them - even if their usage is "wrong" or doesn't match our style, or even if it contains misspellings or errors. The title used by the source is the title we cite, period. Mandruss is also correct that you must not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">edit war</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:MelanieN" title="User:MelanieN">MelanieN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MelanieN" title="User talk:MelanieN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z-Correcting_punctuation_in_source_titles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Politrukki-2020-06-09T16:18:00.000Z-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z"></span>I don't get it. Why revert instead of discussing this on the article talk page? Shouldn't you support your assertion with a relevant policy or guideline?<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Brogo13 linked MOS:CONFORM in the second edit summary. It seems they were more correct than not. A quotation is a quotation. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Typographic_conformity" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Typographic conformity</a> links to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Typographic_conformity" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles">Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles § Typographic conformity</a> (and vice versa), which says: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Generally, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Typographic_conformity" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">guidelines on typographic conformity in quoted material</a> also apply to titles of works, including normalization of dashes and quotation marks, conversion of various emphasis techniques, cleanup of punctuation, and use of italics for things like scientific names of species.</p></blockquote> Perhaps the best title would actually be <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"Trump 2020 Sues <i>Washington Post</i>, Days After <i>N.Y. Times</i> Defamation Suit"</q>, i.e. with italicised text, per the example about newspaper titles. Correct? <a href="/wiki/User:Politrukki" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Politrukki">Politrukki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Politrukki" title="User talk:Politrukki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Politrukki-2020-06-09T16:18:00.000Z-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Politrukki-2020-06-09T16:18:00.000Z-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Politrukki-2020-06-09T16:18:00.000Z-MelanieN-2020-04-05T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"></span>Spaced en dash as item separator<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Spaced en dash as item separator"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator"></span>Brogo, in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic&diff=950723640&oldid=950720008">this edit</a> you put unspaced em dash where WP style is to use spaced en dash as item separator, per <a href="/wiki/MOS:DASH#To_separate_parts_of_an_item_in_a_list" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DASH">MOS:DASH#To separate parts of an item in a list</a>. Can you undo that? <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon" title="User talk:Dicklyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z-Spaced_en_dash_as_item_separator"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"></span>The title in question</a> has only one dash. (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pinterest.com/pin/318489004893613895/">WTF</a>, as it were.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T22:05:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z"></span>Not sure what you're saying. Maybe something related to the previous discussion section above this one? <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon" title="User talk:Dicklyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T22:05:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T22:05:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T22:05:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T17:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"></span>No, I <i>can't</i> "undo that". --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2020-04-13T16:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-14T00:13:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z"></span>No prob, I'll take care of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon" title="User talk:Dicklyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dicklyon-2020-04-14T00:13:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-14T00:13:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-2020-04-14T00:13:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-13T22:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RE:_No_reason?" data-mw-thread-id="h-RE:_No_reason?-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z"><span id="RE:_No_reason.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RE:_No_reason?-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z"></span>RE: No reason?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RE:_No_reason?-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: RE: No reason?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mungo_Kitsch-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z-RE:_No_reason?"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256396942">.mw-parser-output .umbox{background-color:var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff);border:1px solid var(--border-color-progressive,#36c);padding:0.5em 1em;margin:2em 0 1em;font-weight:bold;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle}</style> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mungo_Kitsch#No_reason?" title="User talk:Mungo Kitsch"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Brogo13. You have new messages at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mungo_Kitsch#No_reason?" title="User talk:Mungo Kitsch">Mungo Kitsch's talk page</a>.<br/><span style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> You can <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/User_talk:Brogo13" title="Special:EditPage/User talk:Brogo13">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.</span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Mungo_Kitsch" title="User:Mungo Kitsch">Mungo Kitsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mungo_Kitsch" title="User talk:Mungo Kitsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Mungo_Kitsch-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z-RE:_No_reason?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mungo_Kitsch-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z-RE:_No_reason?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mungo_Kitsch-2020-04-16T03:15:00.000Z-RE:_No_reason?"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="National_varieties_of_English" data-mw-thread-id="h-National_varieties_of_English-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-National_varieties_of_English-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z"></span>National varieties of English<span data-mw-comment-end="h-National_varieties_of_English-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: National varieties of English"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello. In a recent edit to the page <a href="/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019" class="mw-redirect" title="Coronavirus disease 2019">Coronavirus disease 2019</a>, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">respect national varieties of English</a> in Wikipedia articles. </p><p>For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use <a href="/wiki/British_English" title="British English">British English</a>. For something related to the United States in the same way, use <a href="/wiki/American_English" title="American English">American English</a>. For something related to another <a href="/wiki/List_of_territorial_entities_where_English_is_an_official_language" class="mw-redirect" title="List of territorial entities where English is an official language">English-speaking country</a>, such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, India, or Pakistan use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the <i>original</i> author of the article used. </p><p>In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Manual of Style</a>. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">my talk page</a> or visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">help desk</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RexxS-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-04-18T19:50:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English"></span>If you're unsure, the first place to look is at the top of the article in edit mode. For <a href="/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019" class="mw-redirect" title="Coronavirus disease 2019">Coronavirus disease 2019</a>, you'll see the template <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Use_Commonwealth_English&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Use Commonwealth English (page does not exist)">Use Commonwealth English</a>}}</code>, the documentation of which should give you the means to determine which spelling of diarrhoea you should use in that article. On the other hand, some articles like <a href="/wiki/Daria_Morgendorffer" title="Daria Morgendorffer">Daria Morgendorffer</a> don't have that template, and don't need it because the character is clearly an American invention and so the article will use en-us spelling as described in <a href="/wiki/MOS:TIES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:TIES">MOS:TIES</a>. Incidentally, if you remove the spaces between the '==' wiki-markup and the heading text, you simply make life more difficult for editors to select just the heading text when in edit mode, for no benefit other than your personal idiosyncrasy. Many browsers allow a double-click-drag to select whole words in an edit box, but some of those will automatically select the "==" markup as part of the text unless a space separates them. Try to be kind to others. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z-National_varieties_of_English"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z"></span>Incidentally "== text ==" and "==text==" (like  and ) render the same and MOS permits either. My <i>personal</i> idiosyncrasy is consistency—and a Logitech marble <a href="/wiki/Trackball" title="Trackball">mouse</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-04-18T21:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:27:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z"></span>They might render the same to the reader, but in some browsers I use, attempting to double-click-drag to select the words in the heading in wiki-text also selects the == if it's not separated by spaces. If you take out the spaces, you simply inconvenience some editors for absolutely no gain to anybody whatsoever. So why do it? --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:27:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:27:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:27:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z"></span>Some editors prefer to always move a word (or <a href="/wiki/Triple-click" title="Triple-click">more</a>, never mind copying) that way, but <i>all</i> un-spaced punctuation—== including == === this=== ===defecation ===which occurs all too often—can be inconvenient. Meanwhile I absolutely love Ctrl+f. <a href="/wiki/Bless_your_heart" title="Bless your heart">Whatsoever.</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-04-18T23:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-05-08T01:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z"></span>It's not for moving, it's for copying a lengthy heading to use as a target in a section link <a href="/w/index.php?title=Article_name&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Article name (page does not exist)">Article name #The name of the sometimes rather long heading</a>, which has to be exact case and I find myself doing all too regularly, if you see what I mean. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RexxS-2020-05-08T01:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-05-08T01:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-05-08T01:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-08T01:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic" data-mw-thread-id="h-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"></span>nbsp in <a href="/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic" title="COVID-19 pandemic">COVID-19 pandemic</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: nbsp in COVID-19 pandemic"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic"></span>Why did you remove all the non-breaking spaces from numbers in <a href="/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic" title="COVID-19 pandemic">COVID-19 pandemic</a>? Is there a Manual of Style clause I'm missing? -- <i><a href="/wiki/User:Pingumeister" title="User:Pingumeister">Pingumeister</a></i><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pingumeister" title="User talk:Pingumeister">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z-nbsp_in_COVID-19_pandemic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"></span>I didn't [remove <i>all</i> of them]. Check out my "see also" in the edit summary. (Meanwhile, I agree it does help the reader, if only subliminally, to avoid orphan <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Curious...">digits</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T16:33:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z"></span>Okay, so your "<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#COinS">see also</a>" advises not to use nbsp, etc. within cite parameters... but you removed them from the body text, not from any parameters. Having numeric values orphaned from units is rare, but it's annoying when it happens. I don't see a reason to remove them. -- <i><a href="/wiki/User:Pingumeister" title="User:Pingumeister">Pingumeister</a></i><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pingumeister" title="User talk:Pingumeister">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T16:33:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T16:33:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T16:33:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T15:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic&diff=prev&oldid=955408893"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Smile,</a> dammit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z-Pingumeister-2020-05-07T14:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Pingumeister" title="User:Pingumeister">Pingumeister</a>:</span> There are two effects of line-breaks to consider. One is starting a line with a non-word, which typographers have avoided over the ages. So we have advice at at <a href="/wiki/MOS:UNITSYMBOLS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:UNITSYMBOLS">MOS:UNITSYMBOLS</a> that says <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Use a non-breaking space (<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Nbsp" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Nbsp">nbsp</a>}}</code> or <code>&nbsp;</code>) between a number and a unit <em>symbol</em>, or use <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Nowrap" title="Template:Nowrap">nowrap</a>}}</code><span class="nowrap"> </span>... </p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p> ... and a normal space is used between a number and a unit <em>name</em>.</p></blockquote> We normally don't care whether a line breaks up a phrase unless the next line would start with a unit symbol, for example. We don't allow this to happen:</dd> <dd><span class="example deprecated-content example-bad" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">... a distance of 20<br/>km</span></dd> <dd>so we write <code>20&nbsp;km</code> but we don't worry about:</dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">... a distance of 20<br/>kilometers</span></dd> <dd>Similarly, there's no bar to seeing:</dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">... a distance of 20<br/>thousand kilometres</span></dd> <dd>The second place where you can justify keeping a quantity from splitting across lines is when there is a momentary ambiguity as the reader's eye moves back to the beginning of the next line:</dd> <dd><span class="example deprecated-content example-bad" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);"> ... the fee was $85<br/>thousand</span></dd> <dd>That would be a reasonable candidate for writing as <code>$85&nbsp;thousand</code> to prevent the cognitive disjoint between reading "$85" and "$85 thousand".</dd> <dd>As for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic&diff=prev&oldid=955381459">this edit</a>, once you start putting non-breaking spaces between 1.7 and billion, it's the thin end of the wedge. I recently found something like "2&nbsp;dukes, 14&nbsp;earls and 22&nbsp;barons". If you can keep your preferred phrases together because you like it that way, everybody can. Where does it end? --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-05-07T17:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-25T20:44:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z"></span>I <a href="/wiki/Talk:COVID-19_pandemic/Archive_32#Is_it_really_helpful?" title="Talk:COVID-19 pandemic/Archive 32">noticed</a> changes to the nbsp at the time and am just coming across this now. Brogo13, your behavior comes across as really juvenile. Please communicate clearly with other editors. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Sdkb-2020-05-25T20:44:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-25T20:44:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-05-25T20:44:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-25T21:28:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z"></span>Juvenile? <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alabama&diff=prev&oldid=958600595">A'solutely!</a> (<i>Ahem</i><sup><small><a href="/wiki/Throat-clear" class="mw-redirect" title="Throat-clear">shut up, Beavis</a></small></sup> on purpose.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-05-25T21:28:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-05-25T21:28:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-05-25T21:28:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-07T23:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Broke_file_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broke_file_name-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Broke_file_name-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z"></span>Broke file name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Broke_file_name-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Broke file name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josve05a-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z-Broke_file_name"></span>I just wanted to draw your attention to your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Flynn&diff=prev&oldid=955676104">edit here</a>. You made typographical changes to a file name, which caused the image to be turned into a redlink. I fixed it with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Flynn&diff=955699613&oldid=955699291">this edit</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josve05a" title="User talk:Josve05a">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Josve05a-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z-Broke_file_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josve05a-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z-Broke_file_name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josve05a-2020-05-09T08:21:00.000Z-Broke_file_name"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Riverside_Church" data-mw-thread-id="h-Riverside_Church-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Riverside_Church-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Riverside_Church" title="Riverside Church">Riverside Church</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Riverside_Church-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Riverside Church"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z-Riverside_Church"></span>Hi Brogo13, I've noticed you made some minor changes to the article above whilst I was doing my requested GOCE copy-edit <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riverside_Church&diff=961479750&oldid=961416038">here</a>. Some of your changes were fine but others changed the meanings of the text. For example, you changed "not including Einstein" to "excluding Einstein" -- there's a subtle difference; was Einstein deliberately omitted or was he simply not considered for inclusion? You also changed "a two-story-high coffered ceiling" to "a two-story coffered ceiling"; the first means the ceiling is two stories above the floor but the other could mean the ceiling is two stories tall. Thanks for the corrections but please be careful not to alter meanings when you make minor edits to complex articles. Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baffle_gab1978" title="User talk:Baffle gab1978"><span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿<i>gab</i></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z-Riverside_Church" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z-Riverside_Church"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z-Riverside_Church"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-09T06:40:00.000Z-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z"></span>Einstein was undisputably – <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">undisputedly?</a> – excluded. The ceiling's <a href="/wiki/Blivet" class="mw-redirect" title="Blivet">another</a> <a href="/wiki/Tall_tale" title="Tall tale">story</a>. (<a href="/wiki/Stile" title="Stile">Get over it.</a>) --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-06-09T06:40:00.000Z-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-09T06:40:00.000Z-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-06-09T06:40:00.000Z-Baffle_gab1978-2020-06-09T03:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Useless_Drive-by_Edits—" data-mw-thread-id="h-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z"><span id="Useless_Drive-by_Edits.E2.80.94"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z"></span>Useless Drive-by Edits—<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Useless Drive-by Edits—"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—"></span>Your useless drive by edits to articles like <a href="/wiki/Orangutan" title="Orangutan">Orangutan</a> and <a href="/wiki/Riverside_Church" title="Riverside Church">Riverside Church</a> just waste people's time. It would be helpful if you would stop. I explained the use of "that" is preferable in formal writing. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia—an example of formal writing. There was no reason for you to revert the original text. Your personal preference does not warrant a change. <a href="/wiki/User:Twofingered_Typist" title="User:Twofingered Typist">Twofingered Typist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twofingered_Typist" title="User talk:Twofingered Typist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 16 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z-Useless_Drive-by_Edits—"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-17T02:29:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z"></span>I routinely remove <i>that</i>s – and <i>of</i>s – <a href="/wiki/English_relative_clauses#That_or_which" title="English relative clauses">which</a>, in my opinion, are there for only <a href="/wiki/Stilts" title="Stilts">one purpose</a>. ("Is preferable" explains precisely squat.) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.writewithjean.com/usage-and-grammar/use-that-carefully/">Meh.</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-06-17T02:29:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-17T02:29:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-06-17T02:29:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-16T20:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Donald_Trump" data-mw-thread-id="h-Donald_Trump-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Donald_Trump-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Donald_Trump-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Donald Trump"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Urgal-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z-Donald_Trump"></span>regarding this edit: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&diff=963898146&oldid=963886021&diffmode=source">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&diff=963898146&oldid=963886021&diffmode=source</a> , the page you linked says "Except on pages updated regularly" in literally the first sentence <a href="/wiki/User:Urgal" title="User:Urgal">Urgal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Urgal" title="User talk:Urgal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Urgal-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z-Donald_Trump" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Urgal-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z-Donald_Trump"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Urgal-2020-06-22T13:00:00.000Z-Donald_Trump"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Meghan_Trainor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Meghan_Trainor-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Meghan_Trainor-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Meghan_Trainor" title="Meghan Trainor">Meghan Trainor</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Meghan_Trainor-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Meghan Trainor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z-Meghan_Trainor"></span>Hi Brogo, in your recent edit to the article I noticed that you changed several instances of numbers smaller than 10 from being spelled out to numerals, which seems to be directly discouraged by <a href="/wiki/MOS:NUMERAL" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:NUMERAL">MOS:NUMERAL</a>.—<i><a href="/wiki/User:MaranoFan" title="User:MaranoFan"><b style="color:purple">N</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MaranoFan" title="User talk:MaranoFan"><b style="color:teal">Ø</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z-Meghan_Trainor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z-Meghan_Trainor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z-Meghan_Trainor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-22T23:52:00.000Z-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z"></span>Oh, please</a> ... I <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Donald_Trump">think</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-06-22T23:52:00.000Z-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-22T23:52:00.000Z-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-06-22T23:52:00.000Z-MaranoFan-2020-06-22T23:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z"><span id="Agatha_Christie_edits_.E2.80.93_thanks.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z"></span>Agatha Christie edits – thanks!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Agatha Christie edits – thanks!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!"></span>Hi Brogo13, thanks for your recent copy edits of the Christie article, much appreciated! Quick question: I would like to re-link the World Wars, is there a reason not to wikilink them? Cheers<span style="font-family:Georgia"> ~ <b><a href="/wiki/User:RLO1729" title="User:RLO1729">RLO1729</a></b><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:RLO1729#top" title="User talk:RLO1729">💬</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie_edits_–_thanks!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T07:11:00.000Z-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for re-linking the "World Wars" Brogo13. I would also value your thoughts on "more than" vs "over" at the Christie <a href="/wiki/Talk:Agatha_Christie#Minor_point_for_discussion:_"more_than"_vs_"over"_in_article" title="Talk:Agatha Christie">Talk page</a> please (very minor point but the article has gone back and forth between these options over time). :) <span style="font-family:Georgia"> ~ <b><a href="/wiki/User:RLO1729" title="User:RLO1729">RLO1729</a></b><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:RLO1729#top" title="User talk:RLO1729">💬</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T07:11:00.000Z-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLO1729-2020-06-27T07:11:00.000Z-RLO1729-2020-06-27T05:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z-Edit_Summaries_2"></span>Hello: </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_summary">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_summary</a> "It is considered good practice to provide a summary for every edit". </p><p>Thank you. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Twofingered_Typist" title="User:Twofingered Typist">Twofingered Typist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twofingered_Typist" title="User talk:Twofingered Typist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z-Edit_Summaries_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z-Edit_Summaries_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z-Edit_Summaries_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-27T16:12:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z"></span>"<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Ce" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Ce">You're welcome</a>". and "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Punctuation_inside_or_outside" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">You're welcome</a>." <a href="/wiki/Sentence_(linguistics)" title="Sentence (linguistics)">meh</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-06-27T16:12:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-06-27T16:12:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-06-27T16:12:00.000Z-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-27T12:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Agatha_Christie" data-mw-thread-id="h-Agatha_Christie-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Agatha_Christie-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z"></span>Agatha Christie<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Agatha_Christie-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Agatha Christie"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie"></span>PLEASE have the courtesy to leave this article alone when the GOCE tag is displayed. Also, you cannot change punctuation in quoted material. If you do not have the cited material you must assume the person quoting it did so accurately. An ellipsis requires a non-breaking space before they are used and using them to ensure the number in a date is not separated from the month is useful to readers using smaller screens. <a href="/wiki/User:Twofingered_Typist" title="User:Twofingered Typist">Twofingered Typist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twofingered_Typist" title="User talk:Twofingered Typist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twofingered_Typist-2020-06-29T21:09:00.000Z-Agatha_Christie"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unnecessary_changes_(again)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unnecessary_changes_(again)-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z"><span id="Unnecessary_changes_.28again.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unnecessary_changes_(again)-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z"></span>Unnecessary changes (again)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unnecessary_changes_(again)-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Unnecessary changes (again)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"></span>This is not the first time I have had to ask you not to make unnecessary changes to articles. Changing the spacing after a sub-section title, or adding or removing line breaks around an image is a pain in the backside. Just stop. And when you are reverted, don't accuse people of ownership, as you did <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Little_Tich&diff=967290744&oldid=962875396">here</a> – it's uncivil and will only lead to a rather blunt response in return. It's not ownership, it's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stewardship" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Stewardship">Stewardship</a>. Read, learn and inwardly digest that section, paying particular note to the section <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAOWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAOWN">WP:FAOWN</a>, which should make you pause and think next time you want to bugger around with FAs. </p><p>I also note you seem to have followed round several FAs which a single user has taken to FA. That particular behaviour is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding" title="Wikipedia:Harassment">hounding</a>. It's deeply frowned on, and if you continue down that same line, ANI is the next logical step. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z"></span>I also noticed you adding spaces after headings. This is not helpful and makes edit screens harder to read. Please do not do this. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ssilvers" title="User:Ssilvers">Ssilvers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssilvers" title="User talk:Ssilvers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z-SchroCat-2020-07-13T07:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z"></span>How exactly a blank line can possibly make anything "harder to read" <a href="/wiki/Talk:Alabama#You're_welcome" title="Talk:Alabama">escapes me</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikipedia_is_not_about_whining&type=revision&diff=969602232&oldid=942673884">p.s.</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-Ssilvers-2020-07-13T08:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEWLINE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2020-07-13T16:38:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span>WP:NEWLINE</a> does a pretty good job of presenting the pros and cons. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HEADINGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HEADINGS">WP:HEADINGS</a> says spaces after headings are optional. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">dubious</a> – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">discuss</a></i>]</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Levivich-2020-07-13T16:38:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2020-07-13T16:38:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2020-07-13T16:38:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T16:43:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small> If the stewards of an article are asking you not to do things because it makes it more awkard for them, just accept that you may not be improving things. Many of the edits I've seen you undertake seem to be change for change's sake, with no improvements associated with them. Perhaps you should confine your changes to things that actually improve articles, rather than just tinkering with the coding for the hell of it? - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T16:43:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T16:43:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-2020-07-13T16:43:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"></span>I will echo the above comments. Your changes are things that don't matter. That would be fine if you were a key editor of an article, but are just meaningless distractions to swoop into random articles with. It's certainly not "copyediting", which implies things like adjusting grammar or flow. None of these changes appear to actually be helpful to the project. Please stop. <a href="/wiki/User:SnowFire" title="User:SnowFire">SnowFire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SnowFire" title="User talk:SnowFire">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SnowFire-2020-07-22T03:48:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z"></span>Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ELCITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ELCITE">WP:ELCITE</a> . In an "External links" section, a bulleted list is used, even if there is only a single entry. <a href="/wiki/User:SnowFire" title="User:SnowFire">SnowFire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SnowFire" title="User talk:SnowFire">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-SnowFire-2020-07-22T03:48:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SnowFire-2020-07-22T03:48:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SnowFire-2020-07-22T03:48:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-07-24T15:44:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z"></span>[quote] The heading should be "External links" (plural) even if only a single link is listed. [unquote] (The word – in the heading – is always plural.) <i><a href="/wiki/Asterisk#Ungrammaticality" title="Asterisk">touche</a></i> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-07-24T15:44:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-07-24T15:44:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-07-24T15:44:00.000Z-SnowFire-2020-07-21T23:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"></span>Can I echo <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:SnowFire" title="User:SnowFire">SnowFire</a>'s comments. In addition, making significant changes to Featured Articles, which are ones where a particularly strong consensus has been reached regarding their present form, goes well beyond copy editing. Please stop. If you wish to copy edit, visit <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors">GoCE</a>. Please do not remove information from a Featured Article again. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Gog_the_Mild" title="User:Gog the Mild">Gog the Mild</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gog_the_Mild" title="User talk:Gog the Mild">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z-Unnecessary_changes_(again)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-17T15:11:00.000Z-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z"></span>They slipped away <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Lagos&type=revision&diff=973486473&oldid=973484700">into the Atlantic during the night.</a> <i><a href="/wiki/Prose" title="Prose">Pretty</a></i> please. --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-08-17T15:11:00.000Z-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-17T15:11:00.000Z-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-08-17T15:11:00.000Z-Gog_the_Mild-2020-08-17T14:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z"></span>Edit summaries for MOS edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Edit summaries for MOS edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits"></span>It's not a huge deal, but edit summaries like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&diff=969005127&oldid=968998248">this</a> are not helpful. I just link to the relevant guideline and move on. We all have strengths and weaknesses and that includes attention to details like straight quotes. If everybody was good at things like that, you and I would have less to contribute to the project. I let others do what they're good at and I'm not (which is plenty), I do what I'm good at and they're not, and between us we make a more perfect encyclopedia. Cheers. ―<a href="/wiki/User:Mandruss" title="User:Mandruss"><span style="color:#775C57;"><i><b>Mandruss</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss" title="User talk:Mandruss"><span style="color:#888;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z-Edit_summaries_for_MOS_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Gabriel_Iglesias#Influences_and_style" title="Gabriel Iglesias"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-07-22T21:26:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z"></span>But it was funny, huh?</a> I had gone all the way through my usual routine (nbsp, dashes, blank lines, <i>that</i>s ad nauseam); <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&action=history">kudos</a> to all y'all. (<a href="/wiki/Mad_Gab" title="Mad Gab">Preach ate chew</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-07-22T21:26:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-07-22T21:26:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-07-22T21:26:00.000Z-Mandruss-2020-07-22T20:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Robin_Williams" data-mw-thread-id="h-Robin_Williams-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Robin_Williams-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z"></span>Robin Williams<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Robin_Williams-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Robin Williams"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z-Robin_Williams"></span>Hi! Great cleanup on the Robin Williams article! That was a lot of work, but it really improves consistency, so thanks! </p><p>Just a heads-up: I reinserted the caption on the <i>Time</i> magazine cover. If the pic showed the full cover as it appeared on a newsstand, a caption would not be necessary; since it doesn't, I think the caption gives the reader a little more useful information. </p><p>But that's just a minor change. Your cleanup was great (and I love that you and I agree that <i>that</i> tends to be overused). Cheers! — <a href="/wiki/User:UncleBubba" title="User:UncleBubba"><b style="color:black">Uncle</b><b style="color:darkred">Bubba</b></a> <b><sup>( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UncleBubba" title="User talk:UncleBubba">T</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/UncleBubba" title="Special:EmailUser/UncleBubba">@</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UncleBubba" title="Special:Contributions/UncleBubba">C</a> )</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z-Robin_Williams" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 24 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z-Robin_Williams"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z-Robin_Williams"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T11:05:00.000Z-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z"></span>Nope; on second thought, the pic is well explained in the adjacent paragraph. So... "never mind". ;-) — <a href="/wiki/User:UncleBubba" title="User:UncleBubba"><b style="color:black">Uncle</b><b style="color:darkred">Bubba</b></a> <b><sup>( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UncleBubba" title="User talk:UncleBubba">T</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/UncleBubba" title="Special:EmailUser/UncleBubba">@</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UncleBubba" title="Special:Contributions/UncleBubba">C</a> )</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T11:05:00.000Z-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 24 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T11:05:00.000Z-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T11:05:00.000Z-UncleBubba-2020-07-24T10:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Style_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Style_edits-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Style_edits-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z"></span>Style edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Style_edits-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Style edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z-Style_edits"></span>Hey, thanks for your work adding non-breaking spaces to <a href="/wiki/Second_Silesian_War" title="Second Silesian War">Second Silesian War</a>; it'd be great if you could make the time to do the same stuff to the other articles in the series (<a href="/wiki/First_Silesian_War" title="First Silesian War">First Silesian War</a>, <a href="/wiki/Third_Silesian_War" title="Third Silesian War">Third Silesian War</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Silesian_Wars" title="Silesian Wars">Silesian Wars</a>). Also, just as a note, calling a work of visual art a "portrait painting" isn't redundant, since "portrait" describes the <i>content</i> of the work, whereas "painting" describes the <i>medium</i> (a portrait could also be a pencil sketch, a photograph, etc.). Thanks for your wikignome work! -<a href="/wiki/User:Bryanrutherford0" title="User:Bryanrutherford0">Bryan Rutherford</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bryanrutherford0" title="User talk:Bryanrutherford0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z-Style_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z-Style_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z-Style_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Procedure_word" title="Procedure word"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-05T02:22:00.000Z-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z"></span>Wilco</a>. Meanwhile, <i>our</i> medium is a computer—desktop, laptop, phone, what have you—and those are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Alternative_text_for_images" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images">esoteric</a> descriptions of <a href="/wiki/JPEG" title="JPEG">files</a>. <a href="/wiki/Whatever_(slang)" title="Whatever (slang)">meh</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-08-05T02:22:00.000Z-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-05T02:22:00.000Z-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-08-05T02:22:00.000Z-Bryanrutherford0-2020-08-04T20:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RE:_Emails" data-mw-thread-id="h-RE:_Emails-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RE:_Emails-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z"></span>RE: Emails<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RE:_Emails-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: RE: Emails"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"></span>Hi. I got your emails, which are not very clear about what you're trying to put across. Please do not make extensive changes like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Love_for_Sale_%28Bilal_album%29&type=revision&diff=973928583&oldid=973889590">this</a>, because your implementation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LQ">WP:LQ</a> isn't consistent. In some areas of the article, you placed punctuation for quoted sentence fragments inside the quotation marks, and elsewhere you placed it outside when part of the quoted material could constitute a complete sentence. As you know, the guideline says to <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">"include terminal punctuation within the quotation marks only if it was present in the original material, and otherwise place it after the closing quotation mark."</span> Perhaps instead of making these changes all in one fell swoop, it would be easier to sort through what you did correctly and incorrectly if you changed one quotation at a time, edit by edit. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isento&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isento (page does not exist)">isento</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isento" title="User talk:Isento">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z-RE:_Emails" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:42:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z"></span>Also, it would be easier to communicate with you if you typed in a clear, conventional style of English, considering your email headline and your talk page. It would serve you better to get yourself across to others, unless the point is to be obscure and inaccessible? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isento&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isento (page does not exist)">isento</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isento" title="User talk:Isento">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:42:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:42:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isento-2020-08-20T05:42:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T05:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"></span>Here is an example. <a href="/wiki/Love_for_Sale_(Bilal_album)#cite_ref-FOOTNOTELindsey2013b_42-2" title="Love for Sale (Bilal album)">This sentence</a> at the <i>Love for Sale</i> article places the terminal punctuation <i>outside</i> the quoted material, because in the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.villagevoice.com/2013/02/25/bilals-new-a-love-surreal-was-inspired-by-salvador-dali/">source material</a> cited, that section of the quote -- <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">"ironic twist to my life"</span> -- does not end with a period. Meaning your edit placing the period <i>inside</i> the quotation was incorrect. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isento&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isento (page does not exist)">isento</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isento" title="User talk:Isento">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z-RE:_Emails" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Love_for_Sale_%28Bilal_album%29&type=revision&diff=973955639&oldid=973939833"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-20T06:50:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z"></span>Aight?</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-08-20T06:50:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-20T06:50:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-08-20T06:50:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T06:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/MOS:ELLIPSIS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ELLIPSIS"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"></span>MOS:ELLIPSIS</a>: <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">"...if material is omitted <i>in the course of</i> a quotation"</span>. The <i>course of</i> quoting the material ended after <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">"ironic twist to my life"</span>, so we are no longer <i>in the course of</i> quoting. Placing ellipsis in such cases otherwise would make the text unwieldy and awkward all throughout an article with many quotes. This sentiment is echoed by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2015/05/punctuation-junction-quotation-marks-and-ellipses.html#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20it%20is%20not,begins%20or%20ends%20in%20midsentence.">APA guidenace</a> and our own Wikipedians' discussion of MOS: <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">"Ellipses at the end have been replaced by putting the period outside of the quotation mark. ... The 'ellipses' became silly when you would end your sentence with a quote that was a fragment, thus making all sorts of weird grammar. It also was unwieldy for publishers. Grammar is about representation."</span> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_111#Quotations" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 111">Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_111#Quotations</a>) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isento&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isento (page does not exist)">isento</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isento" title="User talk:Isento">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z-RE:_Emails" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z-RE:_Emails"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:26:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z"></span>Now, please. If you are this insistent on these particular changes, try communicating your concerns at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style">Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isento&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isento (page does not exist)">isento</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isento" title="User talk:Isento">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:26:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:26:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isento-2020-08-20T07:26:00.000Z-Isento-2020-08-20T07:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Changing_others'_comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Changing_others'_comments-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z"><span id="Changing_others.27_comments"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Changing_others'_comments-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z"></span>Changing others' comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Changing_others'_comments-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Changing others' comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z-Changing_others'_comments"></span>May I ask what you thought you were doing here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=974740774">[1]</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:EEng#s" title="User:EEng"><b style="color: red;">E</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EEng#s" title="User talk:EEng"><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z-Changing_others'_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z-Changing_others'_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z-Changing_others'_comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z"></span>You may <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette#How_to_avoid_abuse_of_talk_pages" title="Wikipedia:Etiquette">indeed</a>. (I hereby acknowledge any and every "general frown" and duly apologize.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z-EEng-2020-08-25T11:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EEng-2020-08-25T13:55:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z"></span>I only just now noticed that you reverted yourself -- I had mistakenly thought someone else did that -- so it's not a big deal. Still I'd be interested to know what you had in mind. <a href="/wiki/User:EEng#s" title="User:EEng"><b style="color: red;">E</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EEng#s" title="User talk:EEng"><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-EEng-2020-08-25T13:55:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EEng-2020-08-25T13:55:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EEng-2020-08-25T13:55:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=974740774"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z"></span>There</a> I [successfully] questioned your unquestionability, and someone else did revert that. (My word <i>curtsy</i> was a link, and still is; I moved the target.) <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AHumour_police&type=revision&diff=974868236&oldid=359746188">Meanwhile<span class="nowrap"> </span>...</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Brogo13" title="User:Brogo13">Brogo13</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T13:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z"></span>Brogo13 made this change, and did not revert it. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kamala_Harris&diff=prev&oldid=974741536">Nomad Sky made the revert</a>. Brogo13's repeated use of incomprehensible wordplay in response to other editors' questions about their edits, seen in many examples on this talk page, strongly suggest that this user is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Dialectric" title="User:Dialectric">Dialectric</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dialectric" title="User talk:Dialectric">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z-Brogo13-2020-08-25T14:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tartan357-2020-08-27T06:36:00.000Z-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z"></span>Agreed, I was just the subject of some of this incomprehensible wordplay myself: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tartan357&diff=next&oldid=975178274&diffmode=source">[2]</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Tartan357" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tartan357"><span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:17px;color:#990000"><i><b>Tartan357</b></i></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tartan357" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tartan357"><span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:14px;color:#224434"><b>Talk</b></span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Tartan357-2020-08-27T06:36:00.000Z-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tartan357-2020-08-27T06:36:00.000Z-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tartan357-2020-08-27T06:36:00.000Z-Dialectric-2020-08-25T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="September_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2020-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2020-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z"></span>September 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2020-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: September 2020"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivanvector-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z-September_2020"></span>Please stop adding plural and possessive guidance to articles. You have been reverted by multiple editors on <a href="/wiki/Kamala_Harris" title="Kamala Harris">Kamala Harris</a> but keep re-adding your guide footnote. I have removed it from that article again, as well as from many others you have added it to. There is no need to instruct readers on a concept that is standard English, and your latest attempt appears to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POINT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINT">disrupting Wikipedia to make a point</a>. </p><p>Furthermore, please stop using edit summaries which do not actually describe your edit. Nearly all of these that I removed were marked "ce", shorthand for "copy edit", which describes improvements to the prose of an article, and which did not describe what you were actually doing in your edit. Descriptive edit summaries are preferred, but an empty summary is preferred to a false one. </p><p>Lastly, when someone asks a question or leaves you a note, do not respond in riddles. I see you have been advised of this on this page several times already; you are now being warned. Respond and communicate in plain, comprehensible English, or you will be blocked from editing. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Competence_is_required" title="Wikipedia:Competence is required">Wikipedia:Competence is required</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-Ivanvector-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z-September_2020" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivanvector-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z-September_2020"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivanvector-2020-09-23T18:57:00.000Z-September_2020"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Important_Notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Important_Notice-September_2020-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Important_Notice-September_2020-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z"></span>Important Notice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Important_Notice-September_2020-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brogo13&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Important Notice"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z-Important_Notice"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style="background-color: #E5F8FF;"> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 50px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Commons-emblem-notice.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/50px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/75px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/100px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. <i>It does <b>not</b> imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.</i> </p><p>You have shown interest in the English Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Manual of Style</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles" title="Wikipedia:Article titles">article titles policy</a>. 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But what I'm about to say does so imply: stop fucking around or you'll likely be blocked, quite possibly indefinitely. Everyone's tired of your random churning and breaking of things and incomprehensible edit summaries. And I personally am tired of cleaning up your messes. <a href="/wiki/User:EEng#s" title="User:EEng"><b style="color: red;">E</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EEng#s" title="User talk:EEng"><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brogo13#c-EEng-2020-09-25T23:28:00.000Z-Izno-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EEng-2020-09-25T23:28:00.000Z-Izno-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EEng-2020-09-25T23:28:00.000Z-Izno-2020-09-25T21:50:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" 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