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According to the Oxford University website (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/news/our-world-in-data-new-funding">https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/news/our-world-in-data-new-funding</a>) Our World in Data has received a substantial donation from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which may call into question their independence - or at least is worth mentionning here. Any input on this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lvarnet" title="User:Lvarnet">Lvarnet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lvarnet" title="User talk:Lvarnet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z-Source_of_funding" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z-Source_of_funding"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z","author":"Lvarnet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z-Source_of_funding","replies":["c-TSventon-2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z","c-Lvarnet-2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z-Source_of_funding"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TSventon-2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lvarnet" title="User:Lvarnet">Lvarnet</a>:</span> The article was updated on 12 May 2019 to mention Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation funding. I have removed the sentence you queried as it seems to be out of date. <a href="/wiki/User:TSventon" title="User:TSventon">TSventon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TSventon" title="User talk:TSventon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-TSventon-2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TSventon-2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z","author":"TSventon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TSventon-2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TSventon-2019-06-03T13:33:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lvarnet-2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TSventon" title="User:TSventon">TSventon</a>:</span> Perfect, thanks a lot! <a href="/wiki/User:Lvarnet" title="User:Lvarnet">Lvarnet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lvarnet" title="User talk:Lvarnet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-Lvarnet-2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lvarnet-2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z","author":"Lvarnet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lvarnet-2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lvarnet-2019-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Lvarnet-2019-05-31T12:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..."],"text":"Tagged with the advertisement template, I'm not seeing its validity...","linkableTitle":"Tagged with the advertisement template, I'm not seeing its validity..."}--><h2 id="Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z"><span id="Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template.2C_I.27m_not_seeing_its_validity..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z"></span>Tagged with the advertisement template, I'm not seeing its validity...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Our_World_in_Data&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Tagged with the advertisement template, I'm not seeing its validity..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..."]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...","timestamp":"2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..."],"text":"Tagged with the advertisement template, I'm not seeing its validity...","linkableTitle":"Tagged with the advertisement template, I'm not seeing its validity..."}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..."></span>Is it like an advertisement? I certainly see some reliance on primary sources, so maybe that template would be better. But it looks neutral to me, the user who added this could just find sources for a criticism section instead, as he/she hasn't discussed this on the talk page per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WTRMT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WTRMT">WP:WTRMT</a>...<a href="/wiki/User:Donkey_Hot-day" title="User:Donkey Hot-day">Donkey Hot-day</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Donkey_Hot-day" title="User talk:Donkey Hot-day">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z","author":"Donkey Hot-day","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity...","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Donkey_Hot-day-2020-10-29T03:33:00.000Z-Tagged_with_the_advertisement_template,_I'm_not_seeing_its_validity..."></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tagged,_again-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again"],"text":"Tagged, again","linkableTitle":"Tagged, again"}--><h2 id="Tagged,_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tagged,_again-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"><span id="Tagged.2C_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tagged,_again-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Tagged, again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tagged,_again-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Our_World_in_Data&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Tagged, again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tagged,_again-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tweedledumb2-20220824162300-Youblend2-20220721004000","timestamp":"20220824162300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__4__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tagged,_again-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again"],"text":"Tagged, again","linkableTitle":"Tagged, again"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again"></span>Greetings, all. The text is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">biased</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PEACOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PEACOCK">excessive</a> in its praise for the subject. It contains excessive quotes from awards (e.g. "In 2019, Our World in Data won the Lovie Award, the European web award, in recognition of their outstanding use of data and the internet to supply the general public with understandable data-driven research – the kind necessary to invoke social, economic, and environmental change"). The claim that it's "one of the leading organizations publishing global data and research on the COVID-19 pandemic" is referred to sources such as these: The career-advice firm <a href="/wiki/80,000_Hours" title="80,000 Hours">80,000 Hours</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/max-roser-our-world-in-data/">here</a>, with sample quote: "The world’s first great source" - really? And what, for instance, is <a href="/wiki/Johns_Hopkins" title="Johns Hopkins">Johns Hopkins</a>? Chopped liver?; an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01505-x">article</a> in the good periodical <i><a href="/wiki/Nature_(magazine)" class="mw-redirect" title="Nature (magazine)">Nature</a></i>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/01/06/most-governments-are-not-yet-on-track-to-hit-their-vaccine-roll-out-targets">another</a> in <i><a href="/wiki/The_Economist" title="The Economist">The Economist</a></i>, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/">one more</a> from the <a href="/wiki/CNN" title="CNN">CNN</a> website which simply contain graphs taken from OWID (there are certainly more), but where no cush claim is made; an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/pensamiento/espejos-de-hoy/our-world-in-data-el-mundo-va-mejor-peor_510594_102.html">interview</a> by OWID founder to the <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish language</a> newspaper <i>Crónica Global</i>, where he doesn't claim anything of the sort; an <a href="/wiki/Advertorial" title="Advertorial">advertorial</a> in <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.xataka.com/investigacion/our-world-in-data-web-imprescindible-para-entender-que-ha-pasado-esta-pasando-2020-2021">Xataca</a></i>; a [ link] to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYCARE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYCARE">OWID's own website</a>; and so on. </p><p>The effort to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIAS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIAS">promote</a> the subject website is palpable. And, though I'm also an occasional user of OWID's data, I find the slant to be just too much. We must have a marked improvement here, which renders the lemma <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">appopriate for Wikipedia</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:The_Gnome" title="User:The Gnome">The Gnome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Gnome" title="User talk:The Gnome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","author":"The Gnome","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again","replies":["c-HaeB-20220715083300-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","c-Youblend2-20220721001900-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z-Tagged,_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HaeB-20220715083300-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"></span>I just cleaned up various things (also per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MISSION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MISSION">WP:MISSION</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PEACOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PEACOCK">WP:PEACOCK</a>), and removed several citations that were not actually supporting the claim they were cited for, e.g. that <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"In 2019, <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> and <a href="/wiki/Patrick_Collison" title="Patrick Collison">Patrick Collison</a> called for a new academic discipline of 'Progress Studies' that institutionalizes the mission of Our World in Data"</q> (a highly dubious claim, OWID is not even mentioned in various overviews of Progress Studies such as <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/2/11/22923756/to-make-progress-we-needo-study-it">[1]</a>).</dd> <dd>I think the article is looking better now, and some positive quotes about the article's subject are OK if they are not cherry-picked and reflect notable views (I'm unfamiliar with that particular award).</dd> <dd>However, it still seems worthwhile to check whether other citations might be similarly misleading (the Crónica Global one mentioned above remains in the article for now).</dd> <dd>Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:HaeB" title="User:HaeB">HaeB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HaeB" title="User talk:HaeB">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-HaeB-20220715083300-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HaeB-20220715083300-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220715083300","author":"HaeB","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-HaeB-20220715083300-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HaeB-20220715083300-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Youblend2-20220721001900-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Towards reducing the "advertising" feel... the History section seems excessively detailed in comparison to the Content section which describes what Our World in Data is. I am drafting changes to tighten History up. If others have suggestions for adding to the Content section that may be helpful as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Youblend2" title="User:Youblend2">Youblend2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Youblend2" title="User talk:Youblend2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-Youblend2-20220721001900-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Youblend2-20220721001900-The_Gnome-2022-01-10T11:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Youblend2-20220721004000-Youblend2-20220721001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220721004000","author":"Youblend2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Youblend2-20220721004000-Youblend2-20220721001900","replies":["c-Tweedledumb2-20220824162300-Youblend2-20220721004000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Youblend2-20220721004000-Youblend2-20220721001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tweedledumb2-20220824162300-Youblend2-20220721004000"></span>As there has been very little changes since your edits @<a href="/wiki/User:Youblend2" title="User:Youblend2">Youblend2</a> I will go ahead and remove it, if anyone disputes however feel free to revert. <a href="/wiki/User:Tweedledumb2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tweedledumb2">Tweedle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tweedledumb2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tweedledumb2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Our_World_in_Data#c-Tweedledumb2-20220824162300-Youblend2-20220721004000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 24 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tweedledumb2-20220824162300-Youblend2-20220721004000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220824162300","author":"Tweedledumb2","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tweedledumb2-20220824162300-Youblend2-20220721004000","replies":[],"displayName":"Tweedle"}}--></span><span 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