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src='https://mediaproxy.tvtropes.org/width/1200/https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000010293_2.png' class='embeddedimage' border='0' alt='Nice Job Breaking It, Herod (trope)' width=1200 height=2072></div></a></div> <div class="acaptionright" style="width:350px;" >Correction; make that seventy-<em>one</em>.</div>     <div class='indent'><em>"Dorian forgot the first rule of killing innocents: one always escapes."</em> <div class='indent'>— <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheNightAngelTrilogy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheNightAngelTrilogy' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9UaGVOaWdodEFuZ2VsVHJpbG9neQ=='>The Night Angel Trilogy</a></em> </div></div></p><p>The <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> (often an <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlord' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlord' data-format='RXZpbE92ZXJsb3Jk'>Evil Overlord</a>) has just learned that a child that can defeat them has been or soon will be born. The obvious solution to this problem is to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewDestiny' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewDestiny' data-format='U2NyZXdEZXN0aW55'>Screw Destiny</a>. Nip this danger in the bud and kill the infant Hero before they can become any kind of threat. This is the stage where the problems crop up. Either the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> has no idea who this child actually <em>is</em> or other characters who are also aware of this destiny have taken the initiative to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MosesInTheBulrushes' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MosesInTheBulrushes' data-format='W1tNb3Nlc0luVGhlQnVscnVzaGVzIGhpZGUgYW5kIHByb3RlY3QgdGhlIGNoaWxkXV0='>hide and protect the child</a> before the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> can actually reach them. Or the would-be killer <em>thinks</em> they've done the deed, but unbeknownst to them, some force or benevolent person intervenes and the child is actually <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotQuiteDead' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotQuiteDead' data-format='Tm90UXVpdGVEZWFk'>Not Quite Dead</a>. Or the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> sent a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mooks' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mooks' data-format='e3ttb29rfHN9fQ=='>mook</a> to do it, but the mook either can't go through with it or botches the whole thing through incompetence. Whatever the mechanism, the upshot is that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouCantFightFate' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouCantFightFate' data-format='WW91Q2FudEZpZ2h0RmF0ZQ=='>You Can't Fight Fate</a>. </p><p>Often the only thing to do in cases where they can't identify the child is to attempt to track down the newborn hero, baby-by-baby if necessary. The <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> will investigate or, if impatient, simply kill any child in the proper age range to attempt to secure their safety — this may result in a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChildlessDystopia' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChildlessDystopia' data-format='Q2hpbGRsZXNzRHlzdG9waWE='>Childless Dystopia</a> if he's thorough enough. Inevitably, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableInfantSurvival' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableInfantSurvival' data-format='W1tJbXByb2JhYmxlSW5mYW50U3Vydml2YWwgaXQgbmV2ZXIgd29ya3NdXQ=='>it never works</a>, and if <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChildrenAreInnocent' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChildrenAreInnocent' data-format='W1tDaGlsZHJlbkFyZUlubm9jZW50IGlubm9jZW50IGNoaWxkcmVuXV0='>innocent children</a> <em>are</em> killed, the resultant crossing of the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon' data-format='TW9yYWxFdmVudEhvcml6b24='>Moral Event Horizon</a> makes clear just how bad the villain is — and of course <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LaserGuidedKarma' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LaserGuidedKarma' data-format='W1tMYXNlckd1aWRlZEthcm1hIGthcm1pY2FsbHkgc2VhbHMgdGhlaXIgZmF0ZV1d'>karmically seals their fate</a>. Worse yet, this act often directly <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenocideBackfire' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenocideBackfire' data-format='W1tHZW5vY2lkZUJhY2tmaXJlIGJhY2tmaXJlc11d'>backfires</a></em>, giving the hunted newborn <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheUnchosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheUnchosenOne' data-format='W1tUaGVVbmNob3Nlbk9uZSBhIHJlYXNvbiBiZXlvbmQgbWVyZSBwcm9waGVjeV1d'>a reason beyond mere prophecy</a> to go after the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> after he's grown up enough to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreateYourOwnHero' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreateYourOwnHero' data-format='W1tDcmVhdGVZb3VyT3duSGVybyB0YWtlIGhpbSBvbl1d'>take him on</a>; this is a common <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' data-format='U2VsZkZ1bGZpbGxpbmdQcm9waGVjeQ=='>Self-Fulfilling Prophecy</a>. </p><p>This being a form of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainBall' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainBall' data-format='VmlsbGFpbkJhbGw='>Villain Ball</a>, it almost <em>never</em> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreBlindness' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreBlindness' data-format='W1tHZW5yZUJsaW5kbmVzcyBvY2N1cnMgdG8gYW55b25lIHRoYXQgYSB3aXNlciB0aG91Z2h0IG1pZ2h0IGJlIHRvIHRyeSB0byBmaW5kIGFuZCByYWlzZSB0aGUgY2hpbGQgaGltc2VsZl1d'>occurs to anyone that a wiser thought might be to try to find and raise the child himself</a>. Though you might occasionally see it among smarter villains, who take the view that the kid might love him too much to finish him or, in the worst-case scenario, will be close at hand if he <em>does</em> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn' data-format='SGVlbEZhY2VUdXJu'>Heel–Face Turn</a>. This often doesn't work either, though, and is irrelevant if the prophecy is that the child <em>will</em> defeat him. Then again, all that's needed <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist' data-format='W1tQcm9waGVjeVR3aXN0IGZvciB0aGUgcHJvcGhlY3kgdG8gYmUgZnVsZmlsbGVkXV0='>for the prophecy to be fulfilled</a> is for the would-be slayer turned protegé to become <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStarscream' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStarscream' data-format='VGhlU3RhcnNjcmVhbQ=='>The Starscream</a> (and be successful). A third option, rarely-seen, is that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveRedeems' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveRedeems' data-format='TG92ZVJlZGVlbXM='>Love Redeems</a> could kick in. If the villain is no longer evil due to growing to love their new baby they're no longer a threat, are they? </p><p><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SisterTrope' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SisterTrope' data-format='U2lzdGVyVHJvcGU='>Sister Trope</a> to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenocideBackfire' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenocideBackfire' data-format='R2Vub2NpZGVCYWNrZmlyZQ=='>Genocide Backfire</a>, with which it can and does overlap. The primary difference is that this trope is specific to a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> trying to find a newborn Hero before they can be a threat. No more, no less. Genocide need not be a part of the method. The main factor for whether or not such a situation is this trope is if the genocide is merely a means to an end (Kill Tribe A to prevent the rise of Child B) or an end in itself (Kill Tribe A to stop any rising, period). </p><p>Also compare <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffingTheOffspring' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffingTheOffspring' data-format='T2ZmaW5nVGhlT2Zmc3ByaW5n'>Offing the Offspring</a> for those occasions when the child is the son or daughter of the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a>. See also <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableInfantSurvival' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableInfantSurvival' data-format='SW1wcm9iYWJsZUluZmFudFN1cnZpdmFs'>Improbable Infant Survival</a>, which is, in writing terms, one of the primary reasons this rarely succeeds. If <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeTravel' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeTravel' data-format='VGltZVRyYXZlbA=='>Time Travel</a> is involved, see <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight' data-format='TWFrZVdyb25nV2hhdE9uY2VXZW50UmlnaHQ='>Make Wrong What Once Went Right</a>. </p><p><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/PunnyTropeNames' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/PunnyTropeNames' data-format='W1tKdXN0Rm9yRnVuL1B1bm55VHJvcGVOYW1lcyBOb3QgdG8gYmUgY29uZnVzZWRdXQ=='>Not to be confused</a> with <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero' data-format='TmljZUpvYkJyZWFraW5nSXRIZXJv'>Nice Job Breaking It, Hero</a>, or the trope's inversion, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreateYourOwnVillain' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreateYourOwnVillain' data-format='Q3JlYXRlWW91ck93blZpbGxhaW4='>Create Your Own Villain</a>. However, it <em>can</em> be related to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobFixingItVillain' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobFixingItVillain' data-format='TmljZUpvYkZpeGluZ0l0VmlsbGFpbg=='>Nice Job Fixing It, Villain</a>. </p><p><hr data-format='——' /> <h2>Examples:</h2> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="toggleAllFolders();">    open/close all folders  </div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder0');">    Anime and Manga </div><div id="folder0" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> Both versions of Broly suffer this in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/DragonBall' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/DragonBall' data-format='TWFuZ2EvRHJhZ29uQmFsbA=='>Dragon Ball</a></em>: <ul ><li> In <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan' data-format='W1tBbmltZS9EcmFnb25CYWxsWkJyb2x5VGhlTGVnZW5kYXJ5U3VwZXJTYWl5YW4gWl1d'>Z</a>, King Vegeta saw Broly's power-level of 10,000 at birth as a significant threat to his throne. <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParanoiaFuel' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParanoiaFuel' data-format='W1tQYXJhbm9pYUZ1ZWwgRmVhcmluZyB0aGF0IGhlJiMwMzk7bGwgZ3JvdyB1cCB0byBiZWNvbWUgc3Ryb25nIGVub3VnaCB0byBvdmVydGhyb3cgaGlzIGZhbWlseSBhbmQgcnVsZSBvdmVyIHRoZSBzYWl5YW5zIGluc3RlYWRdXQ=='>Fearing that he'll grow up to become strong enough to overthrow his family and rule over the saiyans instead</a>, he saw to it to have Broly and his father executed. Needless to say, he failed and Broly would eventually grow up and seek revenge, but not against Vegeta or his family, but against <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllLovingHero' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllLovingHero' data-format='W1tBbGxMb3ZpbmdIZXJvIEdva3VdXQ=='>Goku</a>, for a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScreamingPlaneBaby' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScreamingPlaneBaby' data-format='W1tTY3JlYW1pbmdQbGFuZUJhYnkgY29tcGxldGVseV1d'>completely</a> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnnoyinglyRepetitiveChild' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnnoyinglyRepetitiveChild' data-format='W1tBbm5veWluZ2x5UmVwZXRpdGl2ZUNoaWxkIGRpZmZlcmVudF1d'>different</a> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SanitySlippage' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SanitySlippage' data-format='W1tTYW5pdHlTbGlwcGFnZSByZWFzb25dXQ=='>reason</a>... </li><li> In <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly' data-format='W1tBbmltZS9EcmFnb25CYWxsU3VwZXJCcm9seSBTdXBlcl1d'>Super</a>, Broly suffers a similar fate. Instead of being executed though, King Vegeta has him sent to Planet Vampa, in the hopes that the hostile wildlife there will kill him, all fueled by the king's pettiness in believing Broly would surpass his own son if he stayed on Planet Vegeta. Paragus was spared in this version, but still went to seek out his son. After reuniting with him, Paragus groomed Broly to seek revenge against the royal family, to which Broly followed out of fear and confusion. </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/ElfenLied' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/ElfenLied' data-format='TWFuZ2EvRWxmZW5MaWVk'>Elfen Lied</a></em>: An interesting variant, the antagonists actively seek out and imprison <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PersonOfMassDestruction' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PersonOfMassDestruction' data-format='W1tQZXJzb25PZk1hc3NEZXN0cnVjdGlvbiBkaWNsb25paV1d'>diclonii</a> as they're born. Their primary approach is to visit hospitals daily and inspect the nurseries, looking for horns. If one is found, they then make every effort to persuade the unlucky parents into giving up the infant, and if that fails, they take it by force <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParanoiaFuel' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParanoiaFuel' data-format='W1tQYXJhbm9pYUZ1ZWwgd2l0aCB0aGUgYXNzaXN0YW5jZSBvZiBob3NwaXRhbCBzZWN1cml0eV1d'>with the assistance of hospital security</a>. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Then they go on to enslave and torture the children and, down the line, are surprised when they turn out twisted and angry. However, this is not actually the case. It turns out that the horned children murder their families after they get their powers, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid' data-format='W1tQcm9wZXJseVBhcmFub2lkIHNvIHRoZSBhbnRhZ29uaXN0cyBhcmUgYWN0dWFsbHkgc2F2aW5nIHRoZSBwYXJlbnRzIGZyb20gZGVhdGhdXQ=='>so the antagonists are actually saving the parents from death</a>.</span> </li><li> <em>Mugen Densetsu Takamagahara Dream Saga</em>: The main villain actually does think of raising the kid himself. He just picked up all the kids it could have been and killed them when they proved not to be the one. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/NegimaMagisterNegiMagi' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/NegimaMagisterNegiMagi' data-format='TWFuZ2EvTmVnaW1hTWFnaXN0ZXJOZWdpTWFnaQ=='>Negima! Magister Negi Magi</a></em> has some traits of this, since it has been explicitly stated that the demon attack on <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedHometown' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedHometown' data-format='W1tEb29tZWRIb21ldG93biBOZWdpJiMwMzk7cyB2aWxsYWdlXV0='>Negi's village</a> targeted him. He was one of the two<span class="notelabel" onclick="togglenote('note069ee');"><sup>note </sup></span><span id="note069ee" class="inlinefolder" isnote="true" onclick="togglenote('note069ee');" style="cursor:pointer;font-size:smaller;display:none;">three if you count Anya, who was studying abroad at the time</span> survivors and is <em>really</em> pissed. <ul ><li> Well, in Negi's case it was more of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinsOfOurFathers' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinsOfOurFathers' data-format='U2luc09mT3VyRmF0aGVycw=='>Sins of Our Fathers</a>... er... <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinsOfOurFathers' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinsOfOurFathers' data-format='W1tTaW5zT2ZPdXJGYXRoZXJzIFNpbnMgb2YgT3VyIE1vdGhlcnNdXQ=='>Sins of Our Mothers</a>. Since the ones responsible were going after Negi because they couldn't go after his mother, in revenge for crimes... they framed her for. </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/OnePiece' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/OnePiece' data-format='TWFuZ2EvT25lUGllY2U='>One Piece</a></em> revealed that the World Government went on a newborn hunt trying to find the unborn baby of <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Gold Roger</span>. The baby's <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MamaBear' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MamaBear' data-format='TWFtYUJlYXI='>Mama Bear</a> protected her child <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LongestPregnancyEver' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LongestPregnancyEver' data-format='W1tMb25nZXN0UHJlZ25hbmN5RXZlciBieSBzdGF5aW5nIHByZWduYW50IGZvciB0d2VudHkgbW9udGhzXV0='>by staying pregnant for twenty months</a></em> so the child could not be associated with his father. That child? <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Portgas D. Ace.</span> The child himself ended up being relatively benign towards the government. He did grow up to be a pirate but he was no threat to the government itself. It was only when they finally caught and executed him for his relation to <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Roger</span> that things went off the rails, causing a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisasterDominoes' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisasterDominoes' data-format='RGlzYXN0ZXJEb21pbm9lcw=='>Disaster Dominoes</a> effect resulting in <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Blackbeard's rise to power, the death of one of the only benevolent pirate Emperors, the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAlcatraz' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAlcatraz' data-format='W1tUaGVBbGNhdHJheiBJbXBlbCBEb3duXV0='>Impel Down</a> mass breakouts, and several <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResignInProtest' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResignInProtest' data-format='W1tSZXNpZ25JblByb3Rlc3QgcmVzaWduYXRpb25zXV0='>resignations</a> amongst the Marines' strongest (and <a class='createlink' rel='nofollow' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TokenGoodTeamate' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TokenGoodTeamate' data-format='W1tUb2tlbkdvb2RUZWFtYXRlIG1vcmUgbm9ibGVyXV0='>more nobler</a>) members</span>. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/SaintSeiya' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/SaintSeiya' data-format='QW5pbWUvU2FpbnRTZWl5YQ=='>Saint Seiya</a></em> also has an example of this, though the infant is well identified. Renegade Gemini Saint Saga murdered the rightful ruler of Sanctuary, and tried to assassinate Athena's reincarnation which was still an infant. She was saved in the nick of time thanks to the sacrifice of Sagittarius Aiolos, Saga somewhat convinced himself that he had succeeded in getting rid of her, and had his comeuppance and a lot of cold sweating when he found out she was well alive, and had founded her own guard of Saints. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ScrappedPrincess' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ScrappedPrincess' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9TY3JhcHBlZFByaW5jZXNz'>Scrapped Princess</a></em>. Legends speak of a royal princess who will destroy the world. When she is born, the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrystalDragonJesus' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrystalDragonJesus' data-format='W1tDcnlzdGFsRHJhZ29uSmVzdXMgQ2h1cmNoIG9mIE1hdXNlcl1d'>Church of Mauser</a> throws her off a cliff. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >The queen arranges for someone to catch her.</span> </li><li> <em><a class='createlink' rel='nofollow' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manhua/TheStormRiders' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manhua/TheStormRiders' data-format='TWFuaHVhL1RoZVN0b3JtUmlkZXJz'>The Storm Riders</a></em> has a bit of a variation of this. Lord Conquer was given a prophecy for the first half of his life, which led to him slaughtering the families of the two heroes and adopting them to secure his reign, but isn't given the second part, in which they will bring him down, until they're grown. However, his attempt to stop this from happening cause it anyway. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder1');">    Comic Books </div><div id="folder1" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Apocalypse' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Apocalypse' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL3t7QXBvY2FseXBzZX19'>Apocalypse</a> attempted to kill <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Cable' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Cable' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL3t7Q2FibGV9fQ=='>Cable</a> while he was an infant, knowing that the latter is a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Tykebomb' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Tykebomb' data-format='e3tUeWtlYm9tYn19'>Tyke-Bomb</a> bred specifically to kill the immortal mutant warlord one day. Cable survived being infected with a "techno-organic virus" and went on to become Apocalypse's <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArchEnemy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArchEnemy' data-format='QXJjaEVuZW15'>Arch-Enemy</a>. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Camelot3000' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Camelot3000' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL0NhbWVsb3QzMDAw'>Camelot 3000</a></em>, the reincarnation of Mordred experiences a flashback in which King Arthur attempts to drown him as an infant, apparently having learned that his bastard child will one day destroy Camelot. This naturally pisses off his new incarnation enough to instantly turn him from a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CorruptCorporateExecutive' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CorruptCorporateExecutive' data-format='Q29ycnVwdENvcnBvcmF0ZUV4ZWN1dGl2ZQ=='>Corrupt Corporate Executive</a>-type to the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a>'s new Dragon. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Possibly a subversion, as the flashback is induced by Morgan le Fay, who has her own reasons to manipulate him and might've <em>faked</em> the vision to inflame his hatred.</span> </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Infinity' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Infinity' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL3t7SW5maW5pdHl9fQ=='>Infinity</a></em>, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Thanos' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Thanos' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL3t7VGhhbm9zfX0='>Thanos</a> aims to kill all of his children in fear of one of them overthrowing him, with his last target being on Earth. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >At the end of the event, that son, Thane, traps Thanos in a "state of living death", and swears to become even worse than Thanos would ever be.</span> </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/PrinceOfPersiaTheGraphicNovel' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/PrinceOfPersiaTheGraphicNovel' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL1ByaW5jZU9mUGVyc2lhVGhlR3JhcGhpY05vdmVs'>Prince of Persia: The Graphic Novel</a></em>, an old prophecy of the invisible prophet of Marv proclaims that, on a certain night in a certain year, there will be born a boy destined to kill all the rulers and the ruled. The rulers of Marv accordingly kill every boy born on that date, except for one who escapes and seventeen years later leads <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LaResistance' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LaResistance' data-format='TGFSZXNpc3RhbmNl'>La Résistance</a> to overthrow the rulers. In a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist' data-format='UHJvcGhlY3lUd2lzdA=='>Prophecy Twist</a>, the foretold destruction <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >is accomplished by the coincidentally invading Mongols, whose Khan was born at the prophesied time</span>. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/XMen' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/XMen' data-format='Q29taWNCb29rL1hNZW4='>X-Men</a></em>: <ul ><li> The "Messiah compleX" arc was about numerous different factions (for their own reasons) trying to find a new-born baby who happens to be the first mutant to have been born since Decimation (another Marvel event in which 99% of all mutants lost their powers). And yes, one of these factions (the rabid anti-mutant fanatic one) <em>did</em> attempt to 'locate' the child in question by killing all the babies in the infant's home town. </li></ul></li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder2');">    Fairy Tales </div><div id="folder2" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> In "<a class='urllink' href='http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/authors/jacobs/english/fishring.html'>The Fish and the Ring<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a>", "<a class='urllink' href='http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/russian/russianwondertales/vasiliiunlucky.html'>Vasilii the Unlucky<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a>", "<a class='urllink' href='http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/authors/grimms/29devilgoldhairs.html'>The Devil With the Three Golden Hairs<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a>", "<a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheKingWhoWouldBeStrongerThanFate' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheKingWhoWouldBeStrongerThanFate' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9UaGVLaW5nV2hvV291bGRCZVN0cm9uZ2VyVGhhbkZhdGU='>The King Who Would Be Stronger Than Fate</a>", and many other fairy tales, a man who finds his child <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecies' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecies' data-format='W1tTZWxmRnVsZmlsbGluZ1Byb3BoZWNpZXMgZG9vbWVkXV0='>doomed</a> to marry a poor child starts by trying to kill the infant. When he learns that the child has grown up, he tries to kill them with <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpossibleTask' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpossibleTask' data-format='e3tJbXBvc3NpYmxlIFRhc2t9fXM='>Impossible Tasks</a>, before and after the wedding; in the end, he fails. </li><li> The Queen in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/SnowWhite' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/SnowWhite' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9Tbm93V2hpdGU='>Snow White</a></em> may be the most memorable example of this trope. She had little trouble finding the infant Snow White in the first place, but the kindly huntsman who spares Snow White's life and the Queen's ultimate downfall fully adhere to the trope. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder3');">    Fan Works </div><div id="folder3" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> In the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9QZXJjeUphY2tzb25BbmRUaGVPbHltcGlhbnM='>Percy Jackson and the Olympians</a></em> fan fic <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/Aska' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/Aska' data-format='RmFuZmljL3t7QXNrYX19'>Aska</a></em>, the Olympians attempt to <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >kill any offspring of the Norse. They are successful until Ayra and her twin brother are born. Thinking that there is only one child, they kill him and stop looking</span>. <em>Big</em> mistake. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos' data-format='RmFuZmljL1NvbmljWERhcmtDaGFvcw=='>Sonic X: Dark Chaos</a></em>: <ul ><li> During the Demon-Seedrian War, Venus attempted to kill (pre-android) Tsali in order to prevent him from becoming the Ultimate Weapon. However, she's stopped by Hertia and Luke, who loved him as their adopted son. <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StartOfDarkness' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StartOfDarkness' data-format='W1tTdGFydE9mRGFya25lc3MgR3Vlc3Mgd2hhdCBoYXBwZW5lZF1d'>Guess what happened</a>. </li><li> Maledict tried to euthanize <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Sonic, Shadow, and Eric</span> after he created them and discovered their severe flaws. Not only did all three of them survive, but all three of them end up destroying his conspiracy. </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/VowOfNudity' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/VowOfNudity' data-format='RmFuZmljL1Zvd09mTnVkaXR5'>Vow of Nudity</a></em>: While Haara is a hero, this is the main struggle she grapples with in one story when she encounters an imperial couple whose newborn child is destined to bring victory to the tyrannical Genasi Empire in their ongoing war. Haara (who has spent her life opposing the empire in every way) feels she has no choice but to kill the kid before they can grow up, but is repeatedly stymied by her <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverHurtAnInnocent' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverHurtAnInnocent' data-format='W1tOZXZlckh1cnRBbklubm9jZW50IG93biBkaXN0YXN0ZSBmb3IgdGhlIGFjdF1d'>own distaste for the act</a> and the laws of reality <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableInfantSurvival' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableInfantSurvival' data-format='W1tJbXByb2JhYmxlSW5mYW50U3Vydml2YWwgc2VlbWluZ2x5IGNvbnNwaXJpbmddXQ=='>seemingly conspiring</a> to keep the baby alive. The author <a class='urllink' href='https://archiveofourown.org/comments/770991787'>mentioned<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> this trope is the primary theme she was exploring in the story. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder4');">    Films — Animated </div><div id="folder4" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> In Polish animated movie <em>Film pod strasznym tytułem</em> (<em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Animation/DreadfullyTitledMovie' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Animation/DreadfullyTitledMovie' data-format='QW5pbWF0aW9uL0RyZWFkZnVsbHlUaXRsZWRNb3ZpZQ=='>Dreadfully Titled Movie</a></em>), the cruel leader of the Marbati <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlord' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlord' data-format='W1tFdmlsT3ZlcmxvcmQgTWFyYmFzXV0='>Marbas</a> hears a prophecy about a child that is very small but older than his own parents and is going to defeat him, and starts to imprison children. Finally, he is defeated by <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" ><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shapeshifting' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shapeshifting' data-format='e3tzaGFwZXNoaWZ0aW5nfX0='>shapeshifting</a> Wił masked as a smaller version of a boy</span>. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Hercules1997' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Hercules1997' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9IZXJjdWxlczE5OTc='>Hercules (1997)</a></em>: Hades sends his minions Pain and Panic to turn Hercules mortal and then kill him, so that the child can't foil his plot to conquer Olympus in eighteen years. Unfortunately for Hades, Pain and Panic are interrupted before the task is complete, so Hercules is still alive and has <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperStrength' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperStrength' data-format='U3VwZXJTdHJlbmd0aA=='>Super-Strength</a>, even though he is indeed mortal. Guess what happens. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9LdW5nRnVQYW5kYTI='>Kung Fu Panda 2</a></em>: After the Soothsayer predicted that "a warrior of black and white" would stop Shen's <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmbitionIsEvil' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmbitionIsEvil' data-format='W1tBbWJpdGlvbklzRXZpbCBhbWJpdGlvbnNdXQ=='>ambitions</a>, he <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >led the wolves to massacre the pandas, guessing that one of them was the subject of the prophecy</span>. He then triumphantly returned home, expecting his parents to be proud of him for <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewDestiny' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewDestiny' data-format='W1tTY3Jld0Rlc3RpbnkgYXZlcnRpbmcgaGlzIHN1cHBvc2VkIGRlc3RpbnldXQ=='>averting his supposed destiny</a>. Instead, they were <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneHasStandards' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneHasStandards' data-format='W1tFdmVyeW9uZUhhc1N0YW5kYXJkcyBob3JyaWZpZWRdXQ=='>horrified</a></em> and <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheExile' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheExile' data-format='W1tUaGVFeGlsZSBiYW5pc2hlZCBoaW1dXQ=='>banished him</a>. Years later, it goes as well as you'd expect. <ul ><li> At first, subverted, in that everyone including Shen believes Po will be seeking revenge for this act; in truth he's repressed the memory and is in complete ignorance of Shen's deed. </li><li> It would later be played straight—twice. The <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >massacre of the pandas</span> lets Po end up in the right place and the right time to become the Dragon Warrior and receive the training he will need for his eventual fight with Shen (well, he was training to fight Tai Lung, but still). Also, Po remembering <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >his mother's sacrifice during the massacre and coming to terms with it</span> allows him to master the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsSkill' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsSkill' data-format='Q2hla2hvdnNTa2lsbA=='>Chekhov's Skill</a> that he uses to overcome Shen's weapons. </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9UaGVQcmluY2VPZkVneXB0'>The Prince of Egypt</a></em> shows this scenario through an Egyptian-hieroglyphic animation dream sequence, followed by a final confrontation between the Prince Moses and Seti I, his adoptive father: "Sometimes," Seti says, with a look of utter horror on his face at the memory (or is it fear of divine judgment?), "sacrifices must be made...." Then he tries to comfort his son with the worst words possible: <em>"They were only slaves..."</em> </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder5');">    Films — Live-Action </div><div id="folder5" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheBeastmaster' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheBeastmaster' data-format='RmlsbS9UaGVCZWFzdG1hc3Rlcg=='>The Beastmaster</a></em>, a prophecy states that Maax, an evil high priest, will die confronting King Zed's son. Maax has his cult of witches kidnap Zed's unborn child, conjuring the prince-to-be from the queen's womb to a cow's. The baby is branded and slated for death when the cow gives birth, but is rescued in the nick of time and raised by a villager. Probably because he was born to a beast, young Dar grows up with the power to communicate with animals, and eventually uses this gift to battle and defeat Maax. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheChroniclesOfRiddick' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheChroniclesOfRiddick' data-format='RmlsbS9UaGVDaHJvbmljbGVzT2ZSaWRkaWNr'>The Chronicles of Riddick</a></em> (the film) reveals this is the back story of the titular character. The antagonist heard a prophecy that he would be killed by a native of a certain planet, and so wiped them all out. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Riddick was found with his umbilical cord wrapped around his neck, tossed in a dumpster.</span> That will mess you up for life, which would go a ways to explaining Riddick's borderline sociopathic behavior. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes' data-format='RmlsbS9Fc2NhcGVGcm9tVGhlUGxhbmV0T2ZUaGVBcGVz'>Escape from the Planet of the Apes</a>,</em> Dr. Otto Hasselien has learned of the fall of humanity, the rise of the apes, and the destruction of Earth, and fears that Zira's baby will bring about those events. His initial attempt to humanely abort the pregnancy fail and, when he resorts to illegally using sodium penethal to get the truth out, he persuades the President to have the pregnancy aborted. When Zira gives birth, he defies Presidential orders to have both Cornelius and Zira taken alive by killing Zira and her baby after a long chase before being killed by Cornelius. Unknown to Hasselien, Zira managed to use his obsession to swap babies with a primitive ape and, to ensure no one knew the truth, she threw the infant into the sea. Hasselien therefore set in motion the events that marked the downfall of humanity. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheGodfatherPartII' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheGodfatherPartII' data-format='RmlsbS9UaGVHb2RmYXRoZXJQYXJ0SUk='>The Godfather Part II</a></em>, the mob boss of the Sicilian town of Corleone kills little Vito Andolini's father over a debt. Vito's older brother swears revenge, so the boss has him killed too. Then he realizes that Vito will inevitably come for revenge and tries to kill him young, but his mother sacrifices herself. Vito escapes to America, becomes Don Corleone, and returns to Sicily to take his revenge. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/KungPowEnterTheFist' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/KungPowEnterTheFist' data-format='RmlsbS9LdW5nUG93RW50ZXJUaGVGaXN0'>Kung Pow! Enter the Fist</a></em>, Master Pain (later called Betty) tries to kill The Chosen One when he is a baby, but gets his ass slaughtered. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Looper' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Looper' data-format='RmlsbS97e0xvb3Blcn19'>Looper</a></em>, <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Old Joe finds the addresses of all 3 of the children who share a birthday with <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='W1tCaWdCYWQgVGhlIFJhaW5tYWtlcl1d'>The Rainmaker</a>, and intends to kill all of them. He successfully kills one, but is caught before he can kill the second one. He escapes and manages to find Cid, who becomes the Rainmaker, but his attempted murder will inadvertently cause Cid to become the Rainmaker.</span> </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/OmenIIITheFinalConflict' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/OmenIIITheFinalConflict' data-format='RmlsbS9PbWVuSUlJVGhlRmluYWxDb25mbGljdA=='>Omen III: The Final Conflict</a></em>. Damien Thorn (the son of Satan A.K.A. <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAntichrist' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAntichrist' data-format='VGhlQW50aWNocmlzdA=='>The Antichrist</a>) tries to kill all babies born on a certain date in an attempt to prevent the Second Coming of Jesus. Seeing as this is the movie <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >where Damien is finally defeated and killed, it wasn't a good idea</span>. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/StarWars' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/StarWars' data-format='RnJhbmNoaXNlL1N0YXJXYXJz'>Star Wars</a></em>: The Prequel Trilogy subverts this. There is a prophecy about the Chosen One bringing balance to the Force; while some interpret this to mean that they'll decimate the Jedi who are more numerous than the Sith, the Jedi view, and the one espoused by <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod' data-format='V29yZE9mR29k'>Word of God</a>, is that they will root out and destroy the Sith Lord lurking in the shadows (i.e. the Force isn't unbalanced between light and dark side, the dark side <em>is</em> the imbalance). Palpatine knows about this prophecy, and when the Chosen One is discovered he doesn't kill him. He spends quite some time befriending and grooming the boy until he could cause a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FaceHeelTurn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FaceHeelTurn' data-format='RmFjZUhlZWxUdXJu'>Face–Heel Turn</a> and use him against the Jedi. However, the Original Trilogy then has the son of the Chosen One <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveRedeems' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveRedeems' data-format='W1tMb3ZlUmVkZWVtcyByZWRlZW0gaGltXV0='>redeem him</a> and cause a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn' data-format='SGVlbEZhY2VUdXJu'>Heel–Face Turn</a>. Palpatine tries to kill the son, and the Chosen One kills him, finally fulfilling the prophecy. <ul ><li> The Sith have their own prophecy, of the Sith'ari, who will both destroy their order and bring it its greatest height of power (the order in which this will happen not being explicitly specified). While <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod' data-format='V29yZE9mR29k'>Word of God</a> holds that prophecy had already been fulfilled 1000 years earlier, many fans find it more appealing for Anakin/Vader to be the fulfillment of <em>both</em> prophecies, by destroying the Jedi <em>and</em> the Sith. </li><li> Played straight in the opening moments of <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/RogueOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/RogueOne' data-format='RmlsbS9Sb2d1ZU9uZQ=='>Rogue One</a></em>. Director Orson Krennic, responsible for overseeing the construction of the Galactic Empire's Death Star, personally travels to the planet Lahmu with a detachment of Death Troopers to hunt down Galen Erso and his family, not long after <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/StarWarsCatalyst' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/StarWarsCatalyst' data-format='W1tMaXRlcmF0dXJlL1N0YXJXYXJzQ2F0YWx5c3QgaGUgZGVmZWN0ZWQgZnJvbSB0aGUgRW1waXJlIGFuZCBkZXNpZ25lZCBhIGZsYXcgaW4gdGhlIGJhdHRsZSBzdGF0aW9uJiMwMzk7cyBkZXNpZ25dXQ=='>he defected from the Empire and designed a flaw in the battle station's design</a>. After a vain effort to convince him to come back to the Empire, Krennic then kills Galen's wife and then finds out that he has a daughter who Galen was planning to send away and entrust to rebel Saw Gerrera, who would train her to fight against the Empire someday. Realizing that she would pose a threat, he orders the troopers to hunt her down. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >They fail to catch her and she goes on to accomplish a suicide mission to steal the plans for the Death Star and get them to the Rebellion.</span> </li></ul></li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheTenCommandments1956' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheTenCommandments1956' data-format='RmlsbS9UaGVUZW5Db21tYW5kbWVudHMxOTU2'>The Ten Commandments (1956)</a></em>, Pharoah Rameses I, on advice of his High Priest Jannes, orders the massacre of all male babies among the Hebrew nation in order to prevent the prophecy of a future Deliverer born during that generation from coming to pass. It does not work, as the one surviving male baby Moses is secretly adopted by his own daughter, and grows up to make the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' data-format='W1tTZWxmRnVsZmlsbGluZ1Byb3BoZWN5IGFjdHVhbCBwcm9waGVjeSBjb21lIHRydWVdXQ=='>actual prophecy come true</a>. </li><li> The <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/Terminator' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/Terminator' data-format='RnJhbmNoaXNlL3t7VGVybWluYXRvcn19'>Terminator</a></em> movies are all Skynet's attempts at doing this. Further, in the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheTerminator' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheTerminator' data-format='W1tGaWxtL1RoZVRlcm1pbmF0b3IgZmlyc3QgZmlsbV1d'>first film</a>, the Terminator hunts down everyone it can find named Sarah Connor. Ultimately, John Connor wouldn't have even been <em>born</em> if it weren't for Skynet's attempts to kill his not-yet-mother, as the Resistance sent back the man who would be his father to protect her from. Whether it was a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop' data-format='U3RhYmxlVGltZUxvb3A='>Stable Time Loop</a> all along or the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeyWimeyBall' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeyWimeyBall' data-format='VGltZXlXaW1leUJhbGw='>Timey-Wimey Ball</a> is at play is iffy. </li><li> Queen Bavmorda did something like this in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Willow' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Willow' data-format='RmlsbS97e1dpbGxvd319'>Willow</a></em>, rounding up all the pregnant women in her domain and checking each of their children for the mark of the one prophesied to bring about her downfall. The fact that she's directly defeated not by the the prophesied baby<span class="notelabel" onclick="togglenote('note1ya24');"><sup>note </sup></span><span id="note1ya24" class="inlinefolder" isnote="true" onclick="togglenote('note1ya24');" style="cursor:pointer;font-size:smaller;display:none;">Elora's hair was use in the ritual that opened the portal so, technically, she did have part in defeating the Queen.</span>, but by the people trying to keep her safe from her constant attacks makes this a particularly overt <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' data-format='U2VsZkZ1bGZpbGxpbmdQcm9waGVjeQ=='>Self-Fulfilling Prophecy</a>. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder6');">    Literature </div><div id="folder6" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Defied' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Defied' data-format='e3tEZWZpZWR9fQ=='>Defied</a> <em>spectacularly</em> by <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlord' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlord' data-format='RXZpbE92ZXJsb3Jk'>Evil Overlord</a> Morgrash in the short story "<a class='createlink' rel='nofollow' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/AnotherEndOfTheEmpire' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/AnotherEndOfTheEmpire' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9Bbm90aGVyRW5kT2ZUaGVFbXBpcmU='>Another End Of The Empire</a>" by Tim Pratt. The ancient sibyl prophesies that a child has been born in a certain village, and "If allowed to grow to manhood, he will take over your empire, overthrow your ways and means, and send you from the halls of your palace forever." <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreSavvy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreSavvy' data-format='W1tHZW5yZVNhdnZ5IEZ1bGx5IGF3YXJlXV0='>Fully aware</a> that razing the village where <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' data-format='W1tUaGVDaG9zZW5PbmUgdGhlIGJveSBmYXRlZCB0byBvdmVydGhyb3cgaGltXV0='>the boy fated to overthrow him</a> lives would inevitably backfire, he instead decides to be a much nicer ruler, and averts the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreBlindness' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreBlindness' data-format='R2VucmVCbGluZG5lc3M='>Genre Blindness</a> inherent in this trope by raising the boys who would be future threats as his own sons, looking out all the while for a loophole in the prophecy. In the end, though, it turns into a happy ending: one of his sons, Khalil, does take over the empire, because Morgrash appoints him as his Prime Minister. He does overthrow Morgrash's ways, because Khalil's ways are more profitable. And he does send Morgrash from the halls of his palace forever, because there's nothing more that Morgrash can contribute to the kingdom, so he decides to retire to a remote island with the sibyl. </li><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/DavidEddings' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/DavidEddings' data-format='Q3JlYXRvci9EYXZpZEVkZGluZ3M='>David Eddings</a>: <ul ><li> A large part of the prequels to <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Belgariad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Belgariad' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS97e0JlbGdhcmlhZH19'>Belgariad</a></em> deals with Polgara's task of safeguarding the line of young Rivan kings from Torak's assassins. In the main story, Asharak gets the full treatment, as Garion enacts a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathByIrony' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathByIrony' data-format='W1tEZWF0aEJ5SXJvbnkgdmVyeSBzcGVjaWZpYyBmb3JtIG9mIHJldmVuZ2VdXQ=='>very specific form of revenge</a> upon him for the deaths of his parents. </li><li> This is touched off by an earlier "Nice Job Breaking It, Herod" when Torak sent assassins to eliminate the Rivan royal family. Polgara's charges are the descendants of the one son who inevitably escaped the slaughter. </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia' data-format='W1tMaXRlcmF0dXJlL1RoZUNocm9uaWNsZXNPZk5hcm5pYSBUaGUgSG9yc2UgYW5kIGhpcyBCb3ldXQ=='>The Horse and his Boy</a></em>: The corrupt official Lord Bar in King Lune's court in Archenland learned of the prophecy that one of the twin newborn princes would someday save Archenland from the greatest danger that would ever threaten it. Even though Bar had no idea what this danger would be, on the off-chance it would be something he would cause, he decided to try to get the prince out of the way just to be on the safe side. Too bad for him Aslan was watching over things... </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/CurseOfTheWolfgirl' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/CurseOfTheWolfgirl' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9DdXJzZU9mVGhlV29sZmdpcmw='>Curse of the Wolfgirl</a></em>, it is revealed that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RetiredMonster' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RetiredMonster' data-format='UmV0aXJlZE1vbnN0ZXI='>Retired Monster</a> Malveria pulled this one out of the playbook back before the "retired" part. Since then, she's become part of the heroes' group of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrueCompanions' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrueCompanions' data-format='VHJ1ZUNvbXBhbmlvbnM='>True Companions</a>, and when the obligatory survivor turns up, it is as the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> of the book. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Dune' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Dune' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS97e0R1bmV9fQ=='>Dune</a></em>, Emperor Corrino was told by the Spacing Guild to kill Paul Atreides to ensure his control over Arrakis. But Baron Harkonnen only killed his father Leto Atreides, while he left Paul and his mother in the desert. This backfires spectacularly, as Paul soon becomes the leader of the Fremen, and leads them in an all-out war against the Harkonnens and successfully overthrows the Emperor. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Earthsea' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Earthsea' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS97e0VhcnRoc2VhfX0='>Earthsea</a></em>: A <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodEmperor' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodEmperor' data-format='W1tHb2RFbXBlcm9yIEdvZGtpbmddXQ=='>Godking</a> of the Kargad Lands received a prophecy his empire would fall because of a member of the former royal house. By then, there were only two children left; a boy and a girl. Since they had <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoyalBlood' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoyalBlood' data-format='Um95YWxCbG9vZA=='>Royal Blood</a>, killing them outright would be sacrilege, so he had them stranded on a desolate island. They survived until old age. Then, one day, Ged was shipwrecked on their island. The girl gave him an old family keepsake . . . </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheGraveyardBook' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheGraveyardBook' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9UaGVHcmF2ZXlhcmRCb29r'>The Graveyard Book</a></em>, the Jacks of all trades hear a prophecy that some toddler is going to be their doom. They send in an assassin, who kills his whole family but fails to get the baby. You can guess where this is going. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Gwenhwyfar' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Gwenhwyfar' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS97e0d3ZW5od3lmYXJ9fQ=='>Gwenhwyfar</a></em> by <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/MercedesLackey' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/MercedesLackey' data-format='Q3JlYXRvci9NZXJjZWRlc0xhY2tleQ=='>Mercedes Lackey</a>, which is based on Arthurian Legend, the protagonist hears of how Arthur, under the advice of the Merlin, killed all newborn babies in the kingdom (it's even implied that this is the reason why <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > Gwen's mother dies while giving birth to her baby brother, who also dies</span>). Toward the end of the book, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='W1tCaWdCYWQgTWVkcmF1dF1d'>Medraut</a> reveals that <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > Arthur was trying to kill his illegitimate (and incestuous) son, but Morganna and Anna Morgause foresaw it and worked a spell that caused Medraut to be born a few months early, saving him from Arthur's wrath</span>. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/HarryPotter' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/HarryPotter' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9IYXJyeVBvdHRlcg=='>Harry Potter</a></em>: Lord Voldemort knew it had been prophesied that a child "born as the seventh month dies" would have the power to destroy him, and acted accordingly. Unfortunately for him, incomplete knowledge of the prophecy on his part coupled with his own obsession with thwarting it rendered it <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' data-format='W1tTZWxmRnVsZmlsbGluZ1Byb3BoZWN5IHNlbGYtZnVsZmlsbGluZy5dXQ=='>self-fulfilling.</a> Dumbledore even says that the prophecy coming true wasn't inevitable; not all prophecies are fulfilled, and if Voldemort had ignored this one, it would have come to nothing, because a key part was "the Dark Lord shall mark him as his equal", which Voldemort did by choosing to go after Harry instead of Neville. </li><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/JohnMoore' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/JohnMoore' data-format='Q3JlYXRvci9Kb2huTW9vcmU='>John Moore</a>'s <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/HeroicsForBeginners' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/HeroicsForBeginners' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9IZXJvaWNzRm9yQmVnaW5uZXJz'>Heroics for Beginners</a></em> mentions a villain who succeeded to the throne of a kingdom by slaughtering the rightful ruler, his wife, their children, and so on. The catch was he couldn't get all of the children — even though he'd been wise enough to schedule an assault on <em>every potential heir and his or her family</em>. Amazingly, the villain was savvy enough to <strong>not</strong> attempt to break it; not because he didn't want the successors dead, but because if he did kill everyone in the necessary age groups — teenagers and under — he'd cripple the country's economy down the road. Instead, he went <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid' data-format='W1tQcm9wZXJseVBhcmFub2lkIHBzeWNob3RpY2FsbHkgcGFyYW5vaWQgYW5kIGVuZGVkIHVwIGxvY2tpbmcgaGltc2VsZiBpbiBhIG5pZ2gtaW5hY2Nlc3NpYmxlIHJvb20uXV0='>psychotically paranoid and ended up locking himself in a nigh-inaccessible room.</a> </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/IAmMordred' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/IAmMordred' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9JQW1Nb3JkcmVk'>I Am Mordred</a></em>: Arthur tries to avert the prophecy that his son will kill him by, as King Herod did in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheBible' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheBible' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9UaGVCaWJsZQ=='>The Bible</a></em>, having all newborn boys killed. This doesn't work—his son survives (a fisherman rescues him from the boat they're put out to sea in), and does indeed grow up to do this, despite trying not to. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheIdhunsMemories' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheIdhunsMemories' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9UaGVJZGh1bnNNZW1vcmllcw=='>The Idhún's Memories</a></em>, a trilogy by the Spanish writer Laura Gallego, in the world Idhún, Ashran the Necromancer uses an astral conjunction to wipe out all dragons and unicorns after hearing one of each will destroy him. Eventually, one baby dragon and unicorn are rescued and sent to the Earth through magic, which will end up killing him. </li><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BizarreAlienBiology' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BizarreAlienBiology' data-format='Qml6YXJyZUFsaWVuQmlvbG9neQ=='>Bizarre Alien Biology</a> example: The Pak protectors, from the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/KnownSpace' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/KnownSpace' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9Lbm93blNwYWNl'>Known Space</a></em> novels of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/LarryNiven' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/LarryNiven' data-format='Q3JlYXRvci9MYXJyeU5pdmVu'>Larry Niven</a>, are compelled to destroy even infant Pak that aren't related to them because they don't "smell right", thus eliminating their own offspring's competitors. The fact that their inter-bloodline feuds tend to leave their planets devastated and every combatant's bloodline extinct, qualifies their <em>entire species</em> for this trope. Also a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArtisticLicenseBiology' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArtisticLicenseBiology' data-format='W1tBcnRpc3RpY0xpY2Vuc2VCaW9sb2d5IGNvbXBsZXRlIGZhaWx1cmUgb2YgYmlvbG9neV1d'>complete failure of biology</a>, as any Pak that successfully exterminated all rival genetic lines would then watch its own bloodline expire from inbreeding depletion. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Kringle' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Kringle' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS97e0tyaW5nbGV9fQ=='>Kringle</a></em>: Morgo has his goblin underlings abduct as many children as they can due to overhearing a prophecy that a child would rid the world of goblins. The goblins attempting to kidnap Kringle ends up setting off the series of events that leads to Kringle opposing the goblins. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/NightWatchSeries' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/NightWatchSeries' data-format='W1tMaXRlcmF0dXJlL05pZ2h0V2F0Y2hTZXJpZXMgVGhlIExhc3QgV2F0Y2hdXQ=='>The Last Watch</a></em> by Sergei Lukyanenko, it's revealed that Merlin's <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon' data-format='W1tNb3JhbEV2ZW50SG9yaXpvbiBleGFtcGxlXV0='>example</a> (yes, <em>that</em> Merlin) is what caused <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >his <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FaceHeelTurn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FaceHeelTurn' data-format='W1tGYWNlSGVlbFR1cm4gc3dpdGNoIGZyb20gTGlnaHQgT25lIHRvIERhcmsgT25lLl1d'>switch from Light One to Dark One.</a></span> </li><li> The <em>No Man of Woman Born</em> anthology by <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/AnaMardoll' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/AnaMardoll' data-format='Q3JlYXRvci9BbmFNYXJkb2xs'>Ana Mardoll</a> features this in one of the short stories. A warlord learns that a certain man's son is prophesied to kill him, and actually succeeds in killing all the boys he set out to kill. Unfortunately for him, the man's surviving child grows up, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn' data-format='W1tOb01hbk9mV29tYW5Cb3JuIGlzIHJldmVhbGVkIHRvIGJlIGEgdHJhbnMgbWFuXV0='>is revealed to be a trans man</a>, and kills him in revenge for his brothers. </li><li> In Fiona <span class='esc-seq' title='non-wikiword'>McIntosh's</span> <em>Royal Exile</em>, this happens twice: the first is at the very beginning <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >when King Brennus has another baby killed in order to protect his newborn baby daughter, and even the mother doesn't know what's up</span>, and later on when the warlord orders all boys around the prince's age to be killed throughout all the kingdoms. </li><li> Inverted in <em>Sarum</em>, where a Neolithic chieftain is so obsessed with a prophecy that he'll never sire an heir of his own unless it's by a "woman crowned in gold", that he raids other tribes, forcibly marries their highborn women, and then has them executed when they fail to conceive within a month. By the time a blonde woman arrives in the area, he's made enemies of all his tribe's neighbors and killed most of his advisors for trying to discourage this bloody practice. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9BU29uZ09mSWNlQW5kRmlyZQ=='>A Song of Ice and Fire</a></em>: <ul ><li> Subverted when the maegi Mirri Maz Duur magically kills Daenarys Stormborn's unborn son in utero, both for revenge against the father and because the unborn child is prophesied to be the Stallion That Mounts the World, an unstoppable city-smashing warlord. While it doesn't exactly turn out well for Mirri in the end, she <em>does</em> successfully prevent the boy from being born and (supposedly) averting fulfilling whatever the prophecy was supposed to be. However, this leads to a rather more straightforward <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist' data-format='UHJvcGhlY3lUd2lzdA=='>Prophecy Twist</a>; in revenge, Daenerys had Mirri Maz Duur burned alive and her death by fire hatches the three dragon eggs Daenerys had been given as a wedding gift. A single dragon can destroy a city or an army within seconds... and Daenerys considers them her sons. There have been multiple hints that it is <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Drogon</span> in particular who was named by the prophecy. </li><li> When King Robert Baratheon also discovers from his spies that Daenerys is pregnant, he orders her killed too, much to the consternation of his right hand man, Ned Stark. After he is fatally injured, Robert calls off the hit on his deathbed. Unfortunately, it's too late as the assassination carried out but ultimately botched. Daenerys and her husband decide that she will never be safe, so long as they don't reclaim the Iron Throne for themselves and they are set up on her journey to do so. <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SarcasmMode' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SarcasmMode' data-format='W1tTYXJjYXNtTW9kZSBOaWNlIGpvYiwgUm9iZXJ0XV0='>Nice job, Robert</a>. </li></ul></li><li> <em>The Tamír Triad</em>: King Erius in <em>The Bone Doll's Twin</em> kills off female relatives who can challenge him for the throne (traditionally held by a queen due to divine mandate). He spares his baby sister Ariani, but has no intention of doing the same for her daughter — except that the daughter is passed off as stillborn and then raised in the guise of her dead twin brother. </li><li> Mad Emperor Yuri of Barrayar from the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/VorkosiganSaga' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/VorkosiganSaga' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9Wb3Jrb3NpZ2FuU2FnYQ=='>Vorkosigan Saga</a></em> attempted to kill off everyone else who might have a claim to the Imperium, his goons only missing Aral Vorkosigan by dumb luck (they did get Aral's mother, sister, and older brother, though... which left an impression long term) He also didn't bother trying to kill Aral's father, Piotr Vorkosigan, who wasn't in the line of succession (Since Piotr was the premier general of his generation and just saw his wife and two of his kids murdered at his dinner table, this is further evidence of just how mad he was.) Piotr threw his support behind Yuri's cousin<span class='esc-seq' title='non-wikiword'>/</span>brother-in-law, who was also missed, and started the civil war that took Yuri down. Two years later, Aral, aged thirteen, got to take the first cut in the long drawn out execution of the ex-emperor (which furthered the aforementioned impression) and decades later was the triggerman in a plot to murder Yuri's nephew (selected mainly because of that impression). </li><li> An example of this occurred in the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheWheelOfTime' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheWheelOfTime' data-format='W1tMaXRlcmF0dXJlL1RoZVdoZWVsT2ZUaW1lIFdoZWVsIG9mIFRpbWVdXQ=='>Wheel of Time</a></em> series, where the prequel novel <em>New Spring</em> described attempts by the forces of the Dark to find and kill Rand right from the day he was born. Since they weren't entirely sure how old he was at the time, they went around killing every young male who showed signs of being a channeler. An interesting little <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod' data-format='V29yZE9mR29k'>Word of God</a> statement mentions that this royally pissed off <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> Ishamael badly enough that he messily killed the head of the Black Ajah at the time. </li><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SubvertedTrope' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SubvertedTrope' data-format='W1tTdWJ2ZXJ0ZWRUcm9wZSBTdWJ2ZXJ0ZWRdXQ=='>Subverted</a> in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/WingsOfFire' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/WingsOfFire' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9XaW5nc09mRmlyZQ=='>Wings of Fire</a></em>: Burn succeeds in killing the <span class='esc-seq' title='non-wikiword'>SkyWing</span> egg who was supposed to hatch into one of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenMany' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenMany' data-format='VGhlQ2hvc2VuTWFueQ=='>The Chosen Many</a>, foiling the prophecy and forcing the guardians raising the prophecies dragonets to use a substitute that doesn't fit the prophecy at all, <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >because the prophecy was made up in the first place.</span> </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder7');">    Live-Action TV </div><div id="folder7" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/BabylonFive' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/BabylonFive' data-format='W1tTZXJpZXMvQmFieWxvbkZpdmUgQmFieWxvbiA1XV0='>Babylon 5</a>: The Lost Tales</em>, John Sheridan is warned by Galen the Technomage that a young Centauri prince (and the grandson of <em>B5</em>'s <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCaligula' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCaligula' data-format='W1tUaGVDYWxpZ3VsYSBDYWxpZ3VsYS1leHB5XV0='>Caligula-expy</a>) will one day inherit the throne, become a megalomaniac and invade the Earth — obviously, he must be killed to protect innocent lives. However, the trope is subverted when Sheridan decides to raise the prince himself and teach him a better way. Furthermore, Sherdian gets Galen to all but confess that was his true plan all along. </li><li> A variation occurs in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Charmed1998' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Charmed1998' data-format='U2VyaWVzL0NoYXJtZWQxOTk4'>Charmed (1998)</a></em> Season 6. Piper and Leo's son Wyatt is destined to grow up to become the most evil male witch in history, so Gideon, headmaster of the Magic Academy, plots to kill Wyatt to prevent that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadFuture' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadFuture' data-format='QmFkRnV0dXJl'>Bad Future</a> from coming to pass. Leo intervenes and kills Gideon in response, and as it turns out, it was the mental trauma of surviving Gideon's murder attempts that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' data-format='W1tTZWxmRnVsZmlsbGluZ1Byb3BoZWN5IHR1cm5lZCBXeWF0dCBldmlsIGFuZCBjYXVzZWQgdGhhdCBmdXR1cmUgdG8gYmVnaW4gd2l0aF1d'>turned Wyatt evil and caused that future to begin with</a>. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/GameOfThrones' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/GameOfThrones' data-format='U2VyaWVzL0dhbWVPZlRocm9uZXM='>Game of Thrones</a></em>, <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > either Cersei or Joffrey (it's ambiguous which one of them) orders the slaughter of every single bastard child Robert Baratheon fathered. Such children may have posed a threat to Joffrey's rule. Of course, one escapes.</span> <ul ><li> Robert himself wanted every Targaryen child dead. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > The only assassination attempt of his that succeeded was the one targeting the two recently illegitimized ones. The true Targaryen heir had been a ward of Robert's best friend the whole time.</span> </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys' data-format='U2VyaWVzL0hlcmN1bGVzVGhlTGVnZW5kYXJ5Sm91cm5leXM='>Hercules: The Legendary Journeys</a></em>: <ul ><li> In the episode "A Star To Guide Them", Queen Maliphone and King Polonius of Bathos, after conceiving a child, are told that a child not of their line will become the new ruler. Maliphone, to keep her power, thus has every baby kidnapped and plots to kill them all. Naturally, Hercules shows up and teams with a local, Uris, to save the day, eventually leading to Uris killing Polonius. And if the king dies with no living heir, the people get to elect one, and since her child is not born yet (ie, not living), Maliphone cannot hold on to the throne, and is exiled. </li><li> Also, the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/XenaWarriorPrincess' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/XenaWarriorPrincess' data-format='U2VyaWVzL1hlbmFXYXJyaW9yUHJpbmNlc3M='>Xena: Warrior Princess</a></em> episode "Cradle of Hope" featured a baby prophesied to be the next king. In that case, Xena heads off the infanticide by convincing the king to adopt the child and make him his lawful successor. </li><li> There's also the complete reversal in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/XenaWarriorPrincess' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/XenaWarriorPrincess' data-format='U2VyaWVzL1hlbmFXYXJyaW9yUHJpbmNlc3M='>Xena: Warrior Princess</a></em> where someone sends a baby floating down the river to save her life... from the hero, because the baby is prophesied to bring about DOOM. While it's never entirely clear, there are hints within the narrative that perhaps the ensuing destruction could have been avoided if the baby had been brought up by a loving mother instead of having people try to murder it all the time. </li><li> Not a baby, but the Archangel Michael says that as long as Xena's daughter is alive, Xena has the power to kill the Greek gods. What do the gods do? Attack Eve. What does that cause Xena to do? Kill the gods. Xena was never particularly fond of the gods in the series, but would she have gone on a killing spree if they hadn't endangered her daughter? </li></ul></li><li> Again, <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/JesusOfNazareth' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/JesusOfNazareth' data-format='U2VyaWVzL0plc3VzT2ZOYXphcmV0aA=='>Jesus of Nazareth</a></em> (the TV series from the 1970s) has an AWESOME Peter Ustinov play the trope-name scenario perfectly. First seen as an <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil' data-format='QWZmYWJseUV2aWw='>Affably Evil</a> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdiposeRex' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdiposeRex' data-format='QWRpcG9zZVJleA=='>Adipose Rex</a> feasting and cynically chatting with Roman envoys about destroying newborn Messiahs 'like a new born scorpion, underfoot', he steadily degenerates over the course of the first two hours of the series as he fears the coming rival King of the Jews, finally falling into a gibbering near fugue state when he at last horrifies his court with the order to 'Kill! Kill! Kill them all! Kill! KILL THEM ALL!' <ul ><li> Things don't work <em>quite</em> as he wants them to.... </li></ul></li><li> This happens in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/LegendOfTheSeeker' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/LegendOfTheSeeker' data-format='U2VyaWVzL0xlZ2VuZE9mVGhlU2Vla2Vy'>Legend of the Seeker</a></em>, where Darken Rahl finds out about Richard and attempts to find and kill him while still an infant, by slaughtering every first-born son in his hometown.<span class="notelabel" onclick="togglenote('note2o9p7');"><sup>note </sup></span><span id="note2o9p7" class="inlinefolder" isnote="true" onclick="togglenote('note2o9p7');" style="cursor:pointer;font-size:smaller;display:none;">The Rahl family in the books has this as a general policy for their own children who are ungifted. In the case of those that just can't use magic, it's because they're useless as an heir. For the ones who're <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiMagic' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiMagic' data-format='W1tBbnRpTWFnaWMgcHJpc3RpbmVseSB1bmdpZnRlZF1d'>pristinely ungifted</a>, it's because their immunity to magic can make them a threat.</span> </li><li> Played with twice on <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Merlin2008' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Merlin2008' data-format='U2VyaWVzL3t7TWVybGlufDIwMDh9fQ=='>Merlin</a></em>. Uther is so desperate to rid magic from the land that he drowns all the children who may have inherited magic. One baby escaped, the half-sister of <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > his illegitimate daughter</span> Morgana, who would later turn Morgana against him and start the chain reaction to break his spirit. The other example is his genocide of the dragonlords. One does escape, and winds up fathering <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' data-format='W1tUaGVDaG9zZW5PbmUgTWVybGluXV0='>Merlin</a>, who is destined to bring magic back to Camelot. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TheStoryteller' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TheStoryteller' data-format='U2VyaWVzL1RoZVN0b3J5dGVsbGVy'>The Storyteller</a></em>: A straightforward example where the wicked king hears a prophecy of a Luck Child, a peasant boy blessed with luck and prophesied to one day become king. He takes the child from his family with relative ease and then casts him off a cliff. But as luck would have it, his blanket snags on a branch and unravels, depositing the child safely onto the soft sand where he's found by a couple of millers. It's seventeen years before the king learns that the child survived. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/AvataroSentaiDonbrothers' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/AvataroSentaiDonbrothers' data-format='U2VyaWVzL0F2YXRhcm9TZW50YWlEb25icm90aGVycw=='>Avataro Sentai Donbrothers</a></em>: The Nōto Council, the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GreaterScopeVillain' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GreaterScopeVillain' data-format='e3tHcmVhdGVyIFNjb3BlIFZpbGxhaW59fXM='>Greater Scope Villains</a> of the show, decide to eliminate the Don Clan due to differences in ideology over ruling their shared realm Ideon. However, they fail to stop not one, but two infant members of the Clan from escaping to Earth, and the two end up leading the charge in discrediting the Nōto's extremist ideology and even turning a trio of their agents to their side. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder8');">    Myths & Religion </div><div id="folder8" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> From <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheBible' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheBible' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9UaGVCaWJsZQ=='>The Bible</a></em>: <ul ><li> King Herod's "Massacre of the Innocents" in <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheFourGospels' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheFourGospels' data-format='W1tMaXRlcmF0dXJlL1RoZUZvdXJHb3NwZWxzIHRoZSBHb3NwZWwgb2YgTWF0dGhld11d'>the Gospel of Matthew</a> is the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeNamer' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeNamer' data-format='VHJvcGVOYW1lcg=='>Trope Namer</a>. Also, a bit of an <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnbuiltTrope' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnbuiltTrope' data-format='VW5idWlsdFRyb3Bl'>Unbuilt Trope</a>, in that Jesus never takes revenge on Herod for this crime, and Herod lives to the end of his days before passing on power to his son. But his death was far from peaceful or painless [[<a class='urllink' href='http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/conditions/01/25/king.herod/index.html'>http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/conditions/01/25/king.herod/index.html<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a>. In fact, it was gruesomely agonizing]]. </li><li> King Jehoash (usually rendered in the short form "Joash" in translations) of Judah escapes the blade when his aunt protects him as an infant from his grandmother Athaliah, who seeks to kill all heirs to the throne so that she could stay queen after her son Ahaziah died. </li><li> Even before that, the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/BookOfExodus' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/BookOfExodus' data-format='TGl0ZXJhdHVyZS9Cb29rT2ZFeG9kdXM='>Book of Exodus</a></em> describes the Pharaoh ordering the elimination of every newborn son, to cut down on the Israelite growth (rather than taking out a specific individual.) However, his own daughter winds up rescuing one of them, Moses, who grows up and is <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissionFromGod' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissionFromGod' data-format='W1tNaXNzaW9uRnJvbUdvZCBjYWxsZWQgYnkgR29kXV0='>called by God</a> to free his people. </li></ul></li><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/PersianMythology' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/PersianMythology' data-format='TXl0aC9QZXJzaWFuTXl0aG9sb2d5'>Persian Mythology</a>: Tyrant Zahhak was a wee bit paranoid. The first time he heard the prophecy about his inevitable doom he invaded India and massacred enough innocent people to fill up a pool with their <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodMagic' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodMagic' data-format='W1tCbG9vZE1hZ2ljIGJsb29kXV0='>blood</a> and <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodBath' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodBath' data-format='W1tCbG9vZEJhdGggYmF0aGUgaW4gaXRdXQ=='>bathe in it</a> because he believed that would at least postpone the doom to a time when he felt like actually dealing with it. It worked. He ruled for <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReallySevenHundredYearsOld' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReallySevenHundredYearsOld' data-format='W1tSZWFsbHlTZXZlbkh1bmRyZWRZZWFyc09sZCA5MDArIHllYXJzIGFmdGVyIHRoYXRdXQ=='>900+ years after that</a>, unthreatened for the most part. Then he had a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DreamingOfThingsToCome' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DreamingOfThingsToCome' data-format='W1tEcmVhbWluZ09mVGhpbmdzVG9Db21lIHByb3BoZXRpYyBkcmVhbV1d'>prophetic dream</a> where he was subdued by three men in armor, one of whom was about to smash his head in with a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CarryABigStick' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CarryABigStick' data-format='W1tDYXJyeUFCaWdTdGljayBtYWNlXV0='>mace</a> in the shape of a bull's head when he woke up. He had the Priests and Astronomers and Magi analyze his dream, and they told him that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChosenOne' data-format='W1tDaG9zZW5PbmUgdGhlIGhlcm8gZGVzdGluZWQgdG8gYnJpbmcgaGltIGRvd25dXQ=='>the hero destined to bring him down</a> would be born soon. Naturally, he had all the babies in the empire killed while his people were tracking down the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChosenOne' data-format='Q2hvc2VuT25l'>Chosen One</a>, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainBall' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainBall' data-format='W1tWaWxsYWluQmFsbCB3aG9zZSBuYW1lIGFuZCBsaW5lYWdlIHRoZXkgaGFkIGFscmVhZHkgZmlndXJlZCBvdXRdXQ=='>whose name and lineage they had already figured out</a>. So, all the babies in the empire are killed save the actual target of the infanticide. <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChosenOne' data-format='W1tDaG9zZW5PbmUgRnJleWR1bl1d'>Freydun</a> was left by his mother Faranak in a cave to be nursed by a talking cow while Zahhak moved so far past the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon' data-format='TW9yYWxFdmVudEhvcml6b24='>Moral Event Horizon</a> he couldn't ever see it again (Zahhak had already <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfMadeOrphan' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfMadeOrphan' data-format='W1tTZWxmTWFkZU9ycGhhbiBraWxsZWQgaGlzIG93biBmYXRoZXJdXQ=='>killed his own father</a>, hijacked a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized' data-format='W1tUaGVSZXZvbHV0aW9uV2lsbE5vdEJlQ2l2aWxpemVkIHJldm9sdXRpb25dXQ=='>revolution</a> so he could take the throne for himself, sawed the former Emperor in half, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil' data-format='W1tSYXBlSXNBU3BlY2lhbEtpbmRPZkV2aWwgcmFwZWRdXQ=='>raped</a> and brainwashed said Emperor's two <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WouldHurtAChild' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WouldHurtAChild' data-format='W1tXb3VsZEh1cnRBQ2hpbGQgdmVyeSB5b3VuZ11d'>very young</a> daughters, burned several cities to the ground for no reason other than his own amusement, released the Divs and had two innocent young people killed every day so their <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainFood' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainFood' data-format='W1tCcmFpbkZvb2QgYnJhaW5zXV0='>brains</a> could be <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IAmAHumanitarian' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IAmAHumanitarian' data-format='W1tJQW1BSHVtYW5pdGFyaWFuIGZlZF1d'>fed</a> to the two snakes growing out of his shoulders but the baby massacre was the last straw where <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZeroPercentApprovalRating' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZeroPercentApprovalRating' data-format='W1taZXJvUGVyY2VudEFwcHJvdmFsUmF0aW5nIGhpcyBwdWJsaWNpdHkgd2FzIGNvbmNlcm5lZF1d'>his publicity was concerned</a>). He then found out where Freydun had been hidden so he ordered a purge of all the animals too, but little Freydun had been moved to another distant place, this time even farther from the big cities but with some human companionship. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/ClassicalMythology' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/ClassicalMythology' data-format='TXl0aC9DbGFzc2ljYWxNeXRob2xvZ3k='>Classical Mythology</a></em>: <ul ><li> One of the things oracles tended to predict was someone's child killing the one asking. Usually, trying to kill the child is what caused the prophecy to be fulfilled in the first place, at least in the long run. Perseus was such an example. </li><li> Cronus and Zeus. Cronus was told that one of his sons would overthrow him, so he swallowed each of his children after they were born. However, the sixth child, Zeus, was hidden from him, and Cronus was tricked into swallowing a stone instead. Zeus was raised in secret and later overthrew his father as predicted. </li><li> In another version of the story, Cronus was just paranoid. He thought that since he had overthrown his own father, his children would overthrow him. His attempt at preventing this gave Zeus the motivation to overthrow him. </li><li> Zeus himself was worried about being overthrown by his children. When it was predicted that if his lover Metis bore a son he would be overthrown, Zeus tricked Metis into transforming into a fly and swallowed her. Metis took up residence in Zeus' head, hammering armor for her future child, giving Zeus terrible headaches. Metis' child eventually was born, emerging full-grown and clad in armor <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BodyHorror' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BodyHorror' data-format='W1tCb2R5SG9ycm9yIGZyb20gWmV1cyYjMDM5OyBoZWFkXV0='>from Zeus' head</a>, not a god but the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn' data-format='W1tOb01hbk9mV29tYW5Cb3JuIGdvZGRlc3NdXQ=='>goddess</a> Athena. </li><li> Oedipus' parents tried to kill him as an infant due to the Oracle's prophecy that he would murder his father and bed his mother. Unfortunately for them, he got rescued by royals of a neighboring city-state. And so we have the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex' data-format='VXNlZnVsTm90ZXMvT2VkaXB1c0NvbXBsZXg='>Oedipus Complex</a>... </li><li> Paris was also prophesied to cause the downfall of the kingdom and the death of his father. They pulled the same "we couldn't bear to kill him, let's just leave him to die/be found and brought up by a poor shepherd" that they did with Oedipus. By the time he returned to the kingdom as an adult, the original oracle who'd interpreted Paris' mother's dream was dead, and Cassandra<span class="notelabel" onclick="togglenote('note33thx');"><sup>note </sup></span><span id="note33thx" class="inlinefolder" isnote="true" onclick="togglenote('note33thx');" style="cursor:pointer;font-size:smaller;display:none;">Priam's daughter</span> was... <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeNamer' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeNamer' data-format='W1tUcm9wZU5hbWVyIHdlbGwsXV0='>well,</a> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCassandra' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCassandra' data-format='VGhlQ2Fzc2FuZHJh'>The Cassandra</a>, cursed to have everyone disbelieve her predictions. So the king and queen now disregarded the prophecy and welcomed Paris back with open arms, which led to him causing their destruction <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds' data-format='W1tNaWtlTmVsc29uRGVzdHJveWVyT2ZXb3JsZHMgKGFsYmVpdCB1bmludGVudGlvbmFsbHkpXV0='>(albeit unintentionally)</a>. </li><li> In some versions of the story, Zeus <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChessmaster' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChessmaster' data-format='W1tUaGVDaGVzc21hc3RlciBlbmdpbmVlcmVkIHRoZSBlbnRpcmUgVHJvamFuIFdhcl1d'>engineered the entire Trojan War</a> solely to thin out the ranks of his demigod children so that none of them would overthrow him. </li><li> A frustrated <a class='urllink' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrisius'>King Acrisius<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> goes to the Oracle for want of a son only to be told that his grandson would kill him. When locking his daughter, <a class='urllink' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danae'>Danaë<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> in a tower fails, and <a class='urllink' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus'>Perseus<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> is born, Acrisius throws them both in a box and sends them adrift at sea. In the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkerAndEdgier' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkerAndEdgier' data-format='W1tEYXJrZXJBbmRFZGdpZXIgZGFya2VyXV0='>darker</a> versions of the story, Perseus comes back for <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge' data-format='W1tSb2FyaW5nUmFtcGFnZU9mUmV2ZW5nZSByZXZlbmdlXV0='>revenge</a> and subjects Acrisius' entire court to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakenForGranite' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakenForGranite' data-format='W1tUYWtlbkZvckdyYW5pdGUgdGhlIGhlYWQgb2YgTWVkdXNhXV0='>the head of Medusa</a>. In nicer versions of the tale, grandpa and hero make amends, Acrisius is proud of the hero Perseus has become and makes him his heir... only to get killed by Perseus in a gaming accident. Sometimes <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouCantFightFate' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouCantFightFate' data-format='W1tZb3VDYW50RmlnaHRGYXRlIGRlc3RpbnkgaXMganVzdCBhIHJlYWwgYml0Y2guXV0='>destiny is just a real bitch.</a> </li><li> In a subversion, Zeus manages to avert this fate by learning that a certain goddess's (Thetis) child will become more powerful than his father, and proceeds to very carefully <em>not</em> sleep with her. He wound up arranging her marriage to a mortal, Peleus. The son? Achilles, who as a demigod with a divine mother, is more powerful than his father by very definition. </li><li> Yet another time when Zeus was enough of a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard' data-format='TWFnbmlmaWNlbnRCYXN0YXJk'>Magnificent Bastard</a> to actually be successful in pulling off this maneuver was the case of Typhon. Gaia had supported Cronus in his uprising against his father Uranus, and then Cronus had proceeded to treat his own sons and daughters just as badly — so that Zeus had had to rebel against Cronus the same way. To Gaia, it seemed as if this was just another turn in the cycle of revenge and patricide, so she decided to give birth to a creature who was supposed to defeat Zeus in just the same way as Zeus had done for Cronus and Cronus had done for Uranus. This was the dragon Typhon, and it appeared to be a brutal creature with no redeeming qualities, much like the giants and cyclopes of Uranus's day. But Zeus was able to win his battle against Typhon, thus allowing himself to break the cycle of one tyrant replacing another — for in this case, Typhon would surely have been worse than the god it replaced, not better. </li><li> Typhon wasn't the last time. Gaia later attempted the same trick by giving birth to the Giants, snake-legged creatures which could not be defeated by gods. Fortunately, Zeus and the others had enough of a warning to start getting hot and heavy with mortal women. By the time the Giants got born, they managed to breed Heracles, who was powerful enough to turn the tide. </li><li> Averted at the end of the Trojan War. Astyanax, the infant son of Hector, is thrown from the walls of Troy so that he won't live to avenge his father's death. <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheExtremistWasRight' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheExtremistWasRight' data-format='W1tUaGVFeHRyZW1pc3RXYXNSaWdodCBJdCB3b3JrZWRdXQ=='>It worked</a>. Of course, there was no prophecy involved, but the Greeks probably figured they couldn't be too careful. ...on the other hand, while Troy never rises again, the Greek chieftains who make this decision almost all come to unhappy ends. </li><li> In short, Greek Mythology is full of this kind of stuff, although few times do the would-be destiny-screwers explicitly try to <em>kill</em> the child (or its mother) with a weapon or anything, preferring to leave them to die in the wilderness. This was because in Ancient Greek times, killing a blood member of your family was the worst sin imaginable, and doomed you to living the rest of your life hounded by the Furies. If you "expose" your baby or cast someone into the wilderness, though, you're leaving their fates in the hands of the gods, and, nominally, giving them a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MillionToOneChance' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MillionToOneChance' data-format='TWlsbGlvblRvT25lQ2hhbmNl'>Million to One Chance</a> of survival. </li></ul></li><li> Following this format to the letter is the Greek historian Herodotus's version of the birth of Cyrus the Great. According to him, Astyages, king of the Medes, had a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DreamingOfThingsToCome' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DreamingOfThingsToCome' data-format='W1tEcmVhbWluZ09mVGhpbmdzVG9Db21lIFByb3BoZXRpYyBEcmVhbV1d'>Prophetic Dream</a> that his daughter Mandane would give birth to a son who would destroy his empire. First he tried simply marrying her off to an unambitious vassal prince whom he didn't consider a threat, but when she got pregnant, the dreams resumed. When Cyrus was born, Astyages arranged for one of his generals, Harpagus, to kill the baby while Mandane would be told that her child was stillborn. Instead (for the reasons described above, and also out of fear of Mandane should she ever find out), Harpagus entrusted the job to a herdsman. But the herdsman's wife really had just had a stillbirth, and they left their own dead baby on the appointed hillside and kept Cyrus. When Harpagus's deception emerged years later, Astyages punished him by <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisproportionateRetribution' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisproportionateRetribution' data-format='W1tEaXNwcm9wb3J0aW9uYXRlUmV0cmlidXRpb24ga2lsbGluZyBoaXMgc29uXV0='>killing his son</a> and <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FamilialCannibalismSurprise' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FamilialCannibalismSurprise' data-format='W1tGYW1pbGlhbENhbm5pYmFsaXNtU3VycHJpc2UgZmVlZGluZyBoaW0gdG8gSGFycGFndXMgYXQgYSBiYW5xdWV0XV0='>feeding him to Harpagus at a banquet</a>. This caused Harpagus to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDogBitesBack' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDogBitesBack' data-format='W1tUaGVEb2dCaXRlc0JhY2sgc2lkZSB3aXRoIEN5cnVzIGluIGhpcyByZWJlbGxpb24gYWdhaW5zdCBBc3R5YWdlcyBhbmQgaGVscCBoaW0gY29ucXVlciBNZWRpYV1d'>side with Cyrus in his rebellion against Astyages and help him conquer Media</a>, making this another of your good old <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy' data-format='W1tTZWxmRnVsZmlsbGluZ1Byb3BoZWN5IFNlbGYtRnVsZmlsbGxpbmcgUHJvcGhlY2llc11d'>Self-Fulfillling Prophecies</a>. </li><li> In <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/HinduMythology' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/HinduMythology' data-format='TXl0aC9IaW5kdU15dGhvbG9neQ=='>Hindu Mythology</a>, the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodInHumanForm' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodInHumanForm' data-format='W1tHb2RJbkh1bWFuRm9ybSBBdmF0YXJdXQ=='>Avatar</a> Krishna's uncle, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> Kamsa, hears a prophecy that his nephew will kill him. So he imprisons his sister and kills her children one after another as soon as they are born. Krishna, the eighth child, escapes at birth thanks to divine intervention (the seventh child did as well, but far more subtly), and when Kamsa finds out he orders the death of all the newborn children in the area. It does not end well for him. </li><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/ArthurianLegend' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/ArthurianLegend' data-format='TXl0aC9BcnRodXJpYW5MZWdlbmQ='>Arthurian Legend</a>: After hearing a prophecy that a child born on May Day, as Mordred was, will destroy him and his kingdom, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/KingArthur' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/KingArthur' data-format='TXl0aC9LaW5nQXJ0aHVy'>King Arthur</a> reacts in different ways, depending on the story: <ul ><li> He rounds up all the noble May Babies and sends them away on a rickety ship. The ship sinks, and the only child to survive is Mordred, who is rescued and eventually returned to his parents. </li><li> Arthur decides to actually take all the boys to be trained under him. It just so happens that Mordred was the <em>only</em> one of his pages to betray him. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace' data-format='V2ViY29taWMvQXJ0aHVyS2luZ09mVGltZUFuZFNwYWNl'>Arthur, King of Time and Space</a></em>, Arthur knows the prophecy, but takes the position that the mass murder of babies is wrong, and Merlin points out that the prophesied baby would escape anyway. Unfortunately, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LordErrorProne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LordErrorProne' data-format='W1tMb3JkRXJyb3JQcm9uZSBTaXIgQmFsaW5dXQ=='>Sir Balin</a> overhears the wrong part of the conversation and tells a scribe to issue a proclamation that all babies born on May Day are to be killed. </li></ul></li><li> In <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/NorseMythology' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Myth/NorseMythology' data-format='TXl0aC9Ob3JzZU15dGhvbG9neQ=='>Norse Mythology</a> Odin had prophetic dreams regarding Ragnarok and the children of Loki, namely Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel, which were a wolf, a snake and a corpselike woman. So the gods captured the three of them and attempted to dispose of them. Jormungandr was thrown into the sea, where it was able to grow so large it became strong enough to encircle the earth. Hel was thrown into Niflheim, where she manages the unworthy dead in a region named for her. Fenrir, meanwhile, is already too strong to be dealt with so easily and growing only stronger with time, so he actually lives with the gods for a time and is fine being friends with them, particularly Tyr. Odin eventually tricks him into allowing himself to be bound at the cost of Tyr's hand, causing him to swear vengeance. Come Ragnarok, a less than happy Loki brings his three abused and betrayed children to the battlefield where Jormungandr and Thor kill each other, Fenrir kills Odin and Hel brings her army of the dead. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder9');">    Theatre </div><div id="folder9" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> Let's not forget <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/Macbeth' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/Macbeth' data-format='VGhlYXRyZS97e01hY2JldGh9fQ=='>Macbeth</a></em> (the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamShakespeare' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamShakespeare' data-format='W1tDcmVhdG9yL1dpbGxpYW1TaGFrZXNwZWFyZSBTaGFrZXNwZWFyZV1d'>Shakespeare</a> version): Because the witches have told him that the offspring of Banquo will be kings, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/Macbeth' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/Macbeth' data-format='VGhlYXRyZS97e01hY2JldGh9fQ=='>Macbeth</a> decides it's a good idea to have Banquo and son murdered. The murderers kill Banquo, but naturally screw up the <em>important</em> part of the job. It's a <em>variation</em> on the trope, because <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/Macbeth' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/Macbeth' data-format='VGhlYXRyZS97e01hY2JldGh9fQ=='>Macbeth</a> is not killed or overcome by Fleance, but his descendants later fulfilled the prophecy (at least according to the erroneous genealogies of Shakespeare's time). <ul ><li> The witches' first apparition warns Macbeth to beware of Macduff, the Thane of Fife, who had previously rejected Macbeth's invitation to the royal banquet. Macbeth sends the murderers to kill his wife and children, while Macduff is gathering English soldiers to storm the castle. The murder of Macduff's family further infuriates him, as he is ultimately revealed to be the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn' data-format='W1tOb01hbk9mV29tYW5Cb3JuIG9uZSBwcm9waGVzaWVkIGJ5IHRoZSB3aXRjaGVzXV0='>one prophesied by the witches</a> that can defeat Macbeth. Macduff confronts Macbeth for murdering his wife and children in a climactic battle <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > which Macduff wins</span>, and Malcolm takes his place as the rightful king of Scotland. </li></ul></li><li> This is the premise for the Sophocles play <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/OedipusRex' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/OedipusRex' data-format='VGhlYXRyZS9PZWRpcHVzUmV4'>Oedipus Rex</a></em>, the story itself derived from Greek myths. However, the old king should not be called the Big Bad because, although he doesn't realize it himself until the end, Oedipus is the big bad of the play. Perhaps his father should have been the big bad in another play. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder10');">    Video Games </div><div id="folder10" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/BloodWillTell' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/BloodWillTell' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0Jsb29kV2lsbFRlbGw='>Blood Will Tell</a></em>, a game based in the <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/Dororo' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/Dororo' data-format='TWFuZ2Eve3tEb3Jvcm99fQ=='>Dororo</a></em> manga, offers the next example: The demons offer Kagemitsu Daigo a deal for power because they know his son is destined to defeat them. Hyakkimaru's role as the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MessianicArchetype' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MessianicArchetype' data-format='TWVzc2lhbmljQXJjaGV0eXBl'>Messianic Archetype</a> goes a long way toward explaining how he can survive with most of his vital organs missing. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CultOfTheLamb' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CultOfTheLamb' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0N1bHRPZlRoZUxhbWI='>Cult of the Lamb</a></em>: At the start, your enemies tell you they committed genocide on the sheep to prevent a prophecy from coming to fruition. It only hastened the inevitable. <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Especially absurd once you learn The One Who Waits was a Bishop once, and the Bishop of Death at that; it's a wonder they thought <em>killing</em> a sheep would <em>stop</em> it from reaching him</span>. <div class='indent'><strong>Bishop Heket:</strong> Before us stands the last of its kind. All others we have hunted down and put to the blade.<br data-format="\\" /><strong>Bishop Kallamar:</strong> With this final sacrifice, the "prophecy" will be <em>impossible</em> to fulfill.<br data-format="\\" />(...)<br data-format="\\" /><strong>The One Who Waits:</strong> Those foolish Bishops thought they could keep you from me in death. But instead they sent you <em>straight to me</em>. </div></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/DragonQuest' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/DragonQuest' data-format='RnJhbmNoaXNlL0RyYWdvblF1ZXN0'>Dragon Quest</a></em>: <ul ><li> Variation in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonQuestIV' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonQuestIV' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0RyYWdvblF1ZXN0SVY='>Dragon Quest IV</a></em>: Aware that <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' data-format='VGhlQ2hvc2VuT25l'>The Chosen One</a> is currently growing up <em>somewhere</em> in the world, the monsters attempt various plans to track down and destroy that child. One of these plans gets the attention of Ragnar, who learns of the prophecy while thwarting the plot and leads him to set out in search of the chosen one. Later, it's revealed that Ragnar is one of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHero' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHero' data-format='VGhlSGVybw=='>The Hero</a>'s Chosen Companions. Later, the monsters find the hidden village where the Hero is being raised. They attempt <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedHometown' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedHometown' data-format='W1tEb29tZWRIb21ldG93biB0aGUgb2J2aW91cyBzb2x1dGlvbl1d'>the obvious solution</a>, which naturally doesn't work. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonQuestV' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonQuestV' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0RyYWdvblF1ZXN0Vg=='>Dragon Quest V</a></em>: <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Grandmaster Nimzo and Bishop Ladja</span> try to kill the "Legendary Hero" because they believe that one of the Hero's children (preferrably the son) would grow up to be the true Chosen One. Since the children have been well-hidden by the residents of Gotha Castle, Ladja has to <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" ><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakenForGranite' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakenForGranite' data-format='W1tUYWtlbkZvckdyYW5pdGUgcGV0cmlmeSBib3RoIHRoZSBIZXJvIGFuZCBoaXMgd2lmZV1d'>petrify both the Hero and his wife</a></span> and wait until the child grows up. As a statue, <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >the Hero is sold to the Porgie family, and is <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AndIMustScream' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AndIMustScream' data-format='W1tBbmRJTXVzdFNjcmVhbSBmb3JjZWQgdG8gd2F0Y2hdXQ=='>forced to watch</a> as their child, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunnyNames' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunnyNames' data-format='W1tQdW5ueU5hbWVzIEdlb3JnaWVdXQ=='>Georgie</a>, grows up... and then gets mistaken for <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne' data-format='VGhlQ2hvc2VuT25l'>The Chosen One</a> and kidnapped by monsters... all the while the twins are growing up sheltered until they find their father and restore him to flesh and blood, and they would soon save the day... with help from the Hero's son, of course</span>. </li></ul></li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/FableII' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/FableII' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0ZhYmxlSUk='>Fable II</a></em> begins with Lucian murdering your sister and attempting to do the same to you because you have hero's blood and have the potential to unravel his plan. It would've been a very short game if he'd managed it. </li><li> Zeus in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/GodOfWar' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/GodOfWar' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0dvZE9mV2Fy'>God of War</a></em> is told of a marked warrior who will bring about his downfall. Naturally, he kidnaps the nearest birthmarked kid and imprisons him in Death's Domain. Unfortunately for Zeus, the kidnapped kid's brother is Kratos, who gets a tattoo in the image of his lost brother's mark. It's all downhill from there. </li><li> The backstory of <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/JadeEmpire' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/JadeEmpire' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0phZGVFbXBpcmU='>Jade Empire</a></em> showcases the Emperor wiping out the Spirit Monks to the last, so that none will remain to protect the Water Dragon, allowing him to enslave her for great power. However, he missed you, the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayerCharacter' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayerCharacter' data-format='UGxheWVyQ2hhcmFjdGVy'>Player Character</a>, who was hidden away and raised by the Emperor's brother. This trope then turns out to be <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > invoked and subverted; the only reason the Emperor's brother saved you was so that <em>you</em> would have the motivation and drive necessary to overthrow the Emperor, at which point his brother steps in, bumps you off, and sits his ass on the throne</span>. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TheLegendOfDragoon' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TheLegendOfDragoon' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL1RoZUxlZ2VuZE9mRHJhZ29vbg=='>The Legend of Dragoon</a></em>, the Black Monster, <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Rose</span>, kills the Moon Child every 108 years <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" > to prevent the birth of the world-ending <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EldritchAbomination' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EldritchAbomination' data-format='W1tFbGRyaXRjaEFib21pbmF0aW9uIFZpcmFnZSBFbWJyeW9dXQ=='>Virage Embryo</a></span>. Dart's hometown Neet <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedHometown' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedHometown' data-format='W1tEb29tZWRIb21ldG93biB3YXMgcmF6ZWQgYXMgYSByZXN1bHRdXQ=='>was razed as a result</a>, seeing as how the Moon Child, Princess Louvia, resided there. The only problem? <span class="spoiler" title="you can set spoilers visible by default on your profile" >Louvia had a twin, Shana, who actually turns out to be the Moon Child.</span> Oops. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/NiNoKuni' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/NiNoKuni' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL05pTm9LdW5p'>Ni no Kuni</a></em>, Oliver is targeted with a curse when the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> learns it is Oliver's destiny to interfere in their plans, but the curse ends up killing Oliver's mother instead. Oliver learning that he has the chance to bring his mother back from the dead is what gives him the resolve to become a hero. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TrinitySoulsOfZillOll' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TrinitySoulsOfZillOll' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL1RyaW5pdHlTb3Vsc09mWmlsbE9sbA=='>Trinity: Souls of Zill O'll</a></em> King Balor received a prophecy from his advisor that he would be killed by one of his own children. Thus king Balor has all of his children slain. Areus <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHero' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHero' data-format='VGhlSGVybw=='>The Hero</a> escaped as a child and because of this event now seeks revenge on Balor. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YoshisIsland' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YoshisIsland' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL1lvc2hpc0lzbGFuZA=='>Yoshi's Island</a></em>: <ul ><li> In <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld2YoshisIsland' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld2YoshisIsland' data-format='W1tWaWRlb0dhbWUvU3VwZXJNYXJpb1dvcmxkMllvc2hpc0lzbGFuZCB0aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgZ2FtZV1d'>the original game</a> and <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YoshisNewIsland' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YoshisNewIsland' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL1lvc2hpc05ld0lzbGFuZA=='>Yoshi's New Island</a></em>, Kamek's scheme is to prevent the conflict between Mario and Bowser from ever starting by getting rid of Mario and Luigi while both are still infants. If anything, he only accomplished the <em>opposite</em>; in effect, he <em>began</em> the conflict by getting the ball rolling, if only because he only nabbed one of them. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YoshisIslandDS' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YoshisIslandDS' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL1lvc2hpc0lzbGFuZERT'>Yoshi's Island DS</a></em>, Bowser and Kamek (the second still not having learned his lesson) kidnap all of the Mushroom Kingdom's babies in hopes of finding the seven Star Children (funny story: Bowser is actually one of them). </li></ul></li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder11');">    Web Original </div><div id="folder11" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> Referenced in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog' data-format='V2ViVmlkZW8vRG9jdG9ySG9ycmlibGVzU2luZ0Fsb25nQmxvZw=='>Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog</a></em> when the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment' data-format='W1tEZXBhcnRtZW50T2ZSZWR1bmRhbmN5RGVwYXJ0bWVudCBFdmlsIExlYWd1ZSBvZiBFdmlsXV0='>Evil League of Evil</a> demand Doctor Horrible commit a murder to be admitted to the League: <div class='indent'><strong>Moist</strong>: There's a kid in Iowa grows up to become President. That'd be big.<br data-format="\\" /><strong>Billy</strong>: I'm not gonna kill a little kid. </div></li><li> Like the original series, <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged' data-format='V2ViVmlkZW8vRHJhZ29uQmFsbFpBYnJpZGdlZA=='>Dragon Ball Z Abridged</a></em> also carries over Broly's fate (albeit <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayedForLaughs' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayedForLaughs' data-format='UGxheWVkRm9yTGF1Z2hz'>Played for Laughs</a>). In King Vegeta's defense, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards' data-format='W1tFdmVuRXZpbEhhc1N0YW5kYXJkcyBldmVuIGhlIGlzIGRpc3R1cmJlZF1d'>even he is disturbed</a> (<a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossingTheLineTwice' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossingTheLineTwice' data-format='W1tDcm9zc2luZ1RoZUxpbmVUd2ljZSB0aG91Z2ggbm90IGRpc3VhZGVkXV0='>though not disuaded</a>) by the suggestion Nappa makes. <div class='indent'><strong>King Vegeta</strong>: Grand Vizier Nappa. I require your treasured guidance once more.<br data-format="\\" /><strong>Nappa</strong>: <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MurderIsTheBestSolution' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MurderIsTheBestSolution' data-format='W1tNdXJkZXJJc1RoZUJlc3RTb2x1dGlvbiBTdGFiIHRoZSBiYWJ5Ll1d'>Stab the baby.</a><br data-format="\\" /><strong>King Vegeta</strong>: Are...you sure?<br data-format="\\" /><strong>Nappa</strong>: Look, we've got a meeting with Freeza in one hour. So either stab the baby, or we have to cancel your 6:00. </div></li><li> The <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/TVTropesAdditionalEvilOverlordVowsCellblockG' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/TVTropesAdditionalEvilOverlordVowsCellblockG' data-format='SnVzdEZvckZ1bi9UVlRyb3Blc0FkZGl0aW9uYWxFdmlsT3ZlcmxvcmRWb3dzQ2VsbGJsb2NrRw=='>TV Tropes Additional Evil Overlord Vows Cellblock G</a> has some advice to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='e3tCaWcgQmFkfX1z'>Big Bads</a> on how to deal with such prophecies. <div class='indent'><em>If I hear about a prophecy or prophecies that state that a child will be born in a certain place with a birthmark or some other sign who will bring about my downfall, I will not immediately send troops to kill the child and its entire family. Instead, I will wait until the child is about five, while keeping it under surveillance, and then have it kidnapped and killed. Once this is done, I will bury the body in a careful location so the body does not get eaten by wild beasts, resurrected by the good guys or wash up on some foreign shore. And for everyone's sake, I will make sure that the child is actually dead, instead of just stabbing it once or suffocating it. Bullets are very helpful, especially fifty-fold.</em> </div></li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder12');">    Western Animation </div><div id="folder12" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9BdmF0YXJUaGVMYXN0QWlyYmVuZGVy'>Avatar: The Last Airbender</a></em> — After Avatar Roku died, Sozin knew the next one would be an Airbender, so he had them wiped out... and <em>still</em> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind' data-format='W1tMYXN0T2ZIaXNLaW5kIGZhaWxlZCB0byBraWxsIHRoZSByaWdodCBvbmVdXQ=='>failed to kill the right one</a>. The Fire Nation realized fairly quickly they missed Aang, and spent a century trying to track him down. (Most of them got much less concerned as the years went by and the Avatar never showed up.) </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9TaGVSYVByaW5jZXNzT2ZQb3dlcg=='>She-Ra: Princess of Power</a></em>: Hordak kidnaps Princess Adora and trains her as a general, until <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983' data-format='W1tXZXN0ZXJuQW5pbWF0aW9uL0hlTWFuQW5kVGhlTWFzdGVyc09mVGhlVW5pdmVyc2UxOTgzIEhlLU1hbl1d'>He-Man</a> shows up and touches off her <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn' data-format='SGVlbEZhY2VUdXJu'>Heel–Face Turn</a> into She-Ra. It might have worked better if Hordak and Shadow-Weaver had not allowed Adora to be raised to have a fully-functioning sense of justice and morality, which required them to deceive and magically control her to retain her loyalty; for whatever reason, Hordak (after trying to kidnap <em>both</em> babies) and Shadow Weaver left most of Adora's early upbringing to <a class='urllink' href='http://www.he-man.org/cartoon/episode.php?id=50&ep=297'>Shakra<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> ("The Caregiver", <span class='esc-seq' title='non-wikiword'>PP077</span>). Shakra is a kind, loving person, and instilled much of her own sense of morality in Adora, regardless of Shadow Weaver's spellcasting. Goes to show what happens when the bad guys don't pay attention to what's going on under their noses. </li><li> <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9Tb25pY1VuZGVyZ3JvdW5k'>Sonic Underground</a></em> featured Sonic the Hedgehog and two siblings being hidden from Dr. Robotnik by their mother the queen. </li><li> Brainiac (or rather, the one from the distant future) tries this in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries' data-format='V2VzdGVybkFuaW1hdGlvbi9TdXBlcm1hblRoZUFuaW1hdGVkU2VyaWVz'>Superman: The Animated Series</a></em>, using <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeTravel' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeTravel' data-format='VGltZVRyYXZlbA=='>Time Travel</a> to attempt to kill Clark while he's still a teenager. The villain seems to have the upper hand, but doesn't count on one thing - how gutsy Ma and Pa Kent are. Sure, their shotguns can't exactly hurt him, but it gives Clark a second to recover, and the villain's true folly comes when Clark rips his arms off and <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HurlItIntoTheSun' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HurlItIntoTheSun' data-format='W1tIdXJsSXRJbnRvVGhlU3VuIGh1cmxzIGhpbSBpbnRvIHRoZSBzdW5dXQ=='>hurls him into the sun</a>. </li></ul></div> </p><p><div class="folderlabel" onclick="togglefolder('folder13');">    Other </div><div id="folder13" class="folder" isfolder="true" style="display:block;"> <ul ><li> The <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlordListCellblockA' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlordListCellblockA' data-format='RXZpbE92ZXJsb3JkTGlzdENlbGxibG9ja0E='>Evil Overlord List Cellblock A</a> gives a <em>partial</em> solution to this problem with resolution #101: <div class='indent'>I will not order my trusted lieutenant to kill the infant who is destined to overthrow me — I'll do it myself. </div></li><li> This is a core idea behind bacteria acquiring anti-biotic resistance: Taking an anti-biotic medicine recklessly (without a proper prescription) will usually kill MOST of the bacteria infecting a person, but there will be a few survivors with a resistance to the medicine that will then repopulate, with the new generation of pathogens being more resilient and resistant than the previous one. </li></ul></div> <hr data-format='——' /> </p></div> <div class="lazy-video-script"> <a id="VideoExamples"></a> <div> </div> <div class="video-examples has-thumbnails"> <div class="video-examples-header"> <a href="#feedback" class="font-s float-right text-blue" data-modal-target="login" >Feedback</a> <h3 class="bold">Video Example(s):</h3> </div> <div class="video-examples-featured"> <div class="example_video_box"> <a href="#video-link" data-video-id="9rlvxf" data-video-descrip="Moses survives the slaughter of newborn Hebrew boys" data-video-title="They didn't get Moses" data-video-url="https://d1w6li7s85ibls.cloudfront.net/qvbr/9rlvxf_640x360p_qvbr.mp4" data-mpd-url="https://d1w6li7s85ibls.cloudfront.net/dash/9rlvxf.mpd" data-hls-url="https://d1w6li7s85ibls.cloudfront.net/hls/9rlvxf.m3u8" data-video-thumbnail="https://static.tvtropes.org/trope_videos_transcoded/images/sd/9rlvxf.jpg" data-video-trope="Main/NiceJobBreakingItHerod" data-video-tropename="Nice Job Breaking It, Herod" data-video-approval="APPROVED" data-video-troper-rating="" data-video-average-rating="4.86" data-video-rating-count="7" data-video-media-sources="Film/TheTenCommandments1956" class="video-launch-link video-overlay-link featured-widget-vid"> <div class="featured-widget-vid-iframe"> <div id="tvtropes_no_volume_player" data-video-image="https://static.tvtropes.org/trope_videos_transcoded/images/sd/9rlvxf.jpg" data-video-url="https://d1w6li7s85ibls.cloudfront.net/qvbr/9rlvxf_640x360p_qvbr.mp4" data-mpd-url="https://d1w6li7s85ibls.cloudfront.net/dash/9rlvxf.mpd" data-hls-url="https://d1w6li7s85ibls.cloudfront.net/hls/9rlvxf.m3u8" data-controls="0" data-muted="1"> <script> tropes_videos_commands.push(function(){ new_video_project.load_video("tvtropes_no_volume_player", false); }); </script> </div> </div> </a> </div> <h2 class="bold font-l">They didn't get Moses</h2> <p class="_pmvv-vidbox-descTxt"> Moses survives the slaughter of newborn Hebrew boys </p> </div> </div> </div> <div class="alt-titles section section-fact"> <h3> <strong>Alternative Title(s):</strong> <span>Infanticide Backfire</span> </h3> </div> <div class="section-links" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/SiteNavigationElement"> <div class="titles"> <div><h3 class="text-center text-uppercase">Previous</h3></div> <div><h3 class="text-center text-uppercase">Index</h3></div> <div><h3 class="text-center text-uppercase">Next</h3></div> </div> <div class="links"> <ul> <li> <a href="/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisfortuneCookie">Misfortune Cookie</a> </li> <li> <a href="/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FateAndProphecyTropes">Fate and Prophecy Tropes</a> </li> <li> <a href="/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoManOfWomanBorn">No Man of Woman Born</a> </li> </ul> <ul> <li> <a href="/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TreacheryIsASpecialKindOfEvil">Treachery Is a Special Kind of Evil</a> </li> <li> <a href="/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Snowclones">Snowclones</a> </li> <li> <a href="/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoBadgeNoProblem">No Badge? 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