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No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the proposal was <b>move</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:JPG-GR" title="User:JPG-GR">JPG-GR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPG-GR" title="User talk:JPG-GR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-JPG-GR-2008-10-15T18:03:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPG-GR-2008-10-15T18:03:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-15T18:03:00.000Z","author":"JPG-GR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JPG-GR-2008-10-15T18:03:00.000Z-Requested_move","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPG-GR-2008-10-15T18:03:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/American_Association_of_Blood_Banks" class="mw-redirect" title="American Association of Blood Banks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rogerb67-2008-10-10T01:43:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>American Association of Blood Banks</a> → <a href="/wiki/AABB" title="AABB">AABB</a> — article was moved inappropriately to expand an acronym, but the name is no longer an acronym as explicitly cited in the article from the organization's own web page. It is now just a four letter name in capitals. The current location should obviously redirect to the correct location instead of being a disambiguation page. The article was formerly hatnoted for the other definition, which is an acronym. — <a href="/wiki/User:Rogerb67" title="User:Rogerb67">Rogerb67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rogerb67" title="User talk:Rogerb67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-Rogerb67-2008-10-10T01:43:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rogerb67-2008-10-10T01:43:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-10T01:43:00.000Z","author":"Rogerb67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rogerb67-2008-10-10T01:43:00.000Z-Requested_move","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rogerb67-2008-10-10T01:43:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survey-Requested_move"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survey-Requested_move"></span>Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survey-Requested_move"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:AABB&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Survey"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><i>Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with</i> <code>*'''Support'''</code> <i>or</i> <code>*'''Oppose'''</code><i>, then sign your comment with</i> <code>~~~~</code><i>. Since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Polling_is_not_a_substitute_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion">polling is not a substitute for discussion</a>, please explain your reasons, taking into account <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions">Wikipedia's naming conventions</a>.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion-Requested_move-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion-Requested_move-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion-Requested_move-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:AABB&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: Discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z-Discussion"></span>Any additional comments:</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>There is now something else called <a href="/wiki/AABB" title="AABB">AABB</a>, so the original AABB would have to be called <a href="/w/index.php?title=AABB_(blood_handling)&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="AABB (blood handling) (page does not exist)">AABB (blood handling)</a> or similar, or leave it as the full name, which is clearer than yet another acronym. <a href="/wiki/User:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User:Anthony Appleyard">Anthony Appleyard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User talk:Anthony Appleyard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z-Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z-Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z","author":"Anthony Appleyard","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z-Discussion","replies":["c-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z-Discussion"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"></span>Since <a href="/wiki/AABB" title="AABB">AABB</a> is a two-item dab and the other thing is not officially named "AABB", would not the best solution be to move this article to its correct name and add a hat note? <a href="/wiki/User:Otto4711" title="User:Otto4711">Otto4711</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Otto4711" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Otto4711">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z","author":"Otto4711","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z-Anthony_Appleyard-2008-10-09T04:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z"></span>That's what it was until just recently. The key thing that isn't that obvious is that AABB (the organization) is just a wacky name, it's not an acronym anymore, and putting it at the expansion doesn't comply with naming requirements. A little bit of poking around reveals that AABB is also an acronym for a Brazilian football club and a structure for musical composition (first theme, repeat, second theme, repeat, also not an acronym), so maybe AABB (foo) is a more appropriate location if and when those articles are written. <a href="/wiki/User:Somedumbyankee" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Somedumbyankee">SDY</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Somedumbyankee" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Somedumbyankee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z","author":"Somedumbyankee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"SDY"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-09T09:09:00.000Z-Otto4711-2008-10-09T05:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z-Discussion"></span>Support</b> as nominator. Note that pretty much every other use of AABB is an acronym, where this is the proper name of an organization. AABB (professional society) would be a good backup since AABB (organization) could nominally mean the Brazilian football club. (blood handling) is inappropriate, since blood is not the entirety of the organization (hence the name change). <a href="/wiki/User:Somedumbyankee" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Somedumbyankee">SDY</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Somedumbyankee" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Somedumbyankee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z-Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z-Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Somedumbyankee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z-Discussion","replies":["c-Rogerb67-2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"SDY"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z-Discussion"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rogerb67-2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z"></span>I don't think that the very fact it isn't an acronym means it should have the AABB name – such a rule could be open to abuse, changing the name of an existing, marginally notable organisation to <i>CIA</i> (not an acronym) for example. As there are no other articles with a similarly strong claim, it should in this case however. Incidentally, the Brazilian AABB I could find looks more like a bank's health club than a football club, but it's all in Portuguese, and i don't understand a word of it, so who knows. Either way there is no wiki article, so no naming conflict. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rogerb67" title="User:Rogerb67">Rogerb67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rogerb67" title="User talk:Rogerb67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AABB#c-Rogerb67-2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rogerb67-2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z","author":"Rogerb67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rogerb67-2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rogerb67-2008-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Somedumbyankee-2008-10-10T14:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. 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