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Tak, to bardzo istotne - budżet na pompę to maks. 10 tyś. Monoblock ponieważ nie mam F-gazów ale mam zaplecze techniczne, które pozwoli mi spokojnie dokonać montażu we własnym zakresie. Uprawnienia SEP są. </p> <p>Przeznaczenie to ogrzewanie podstawowe C.O. oraz CWU 200L (rodzina 2+2). Rezerwa to kominek.</p> <p>Budynek: nowy dom parter + poddasze łącznie 134 m2, ogrzewanie 100% podłogówka co 10 cm + 2x drabinka w łazienkach. Ocieplenie grafit 20 cm, spód 15 cm, czapka wełna 0,031 25 cm. Docelowa temperatura w pomieszczeniach 23 st. C. </p> <p>Pytanie, która z tych pomp będzie lepsza i bardziej efektywna? Trwałość to loteria także na chwilę obecną pomijamy ten fakt. Jak popracuje 5 lat to będę zadowolony.</p> <p>Poproszę o opinie użytkowników i osoby, które miały styczność z tymi urządzeniami. 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Zrób OZC dla swojego budynku, ew. oszacuj na apce "ciepło właściwie".</p> <p>Z Kaisaiem nie miałem do czynienia, Haiera montowałem i wszystko działa jak należy, więc polecić mogę tego ostatniego.</p><span class="ipsType_reset ipsType_medium ipsType_light" data-excludequote> <strong>Edytowane <time datetime="2024-11-27T16:23:51Z" title="27.11.2024 16:23" data-short="20 godz "> 20 godzin temu</time> przez Ratpaw</strong> </span> </div> <div class="ipsItemControls"> <div data-controller="core.front.core.reaction" class="ipsItemControls_right ipsClearfix "> <div class="ipsReact ipsPos_right"> <div class="ipsReact_blurb ipsHide" data-role="reactionBlurb"> </div> </div> </div> <ul class="ipsComment_controls ipsClearfix ipsItemControls_left" data-role="commentControls"> <li data-ipsquote-editor="topic_comment" data-ipsquote-target="#comment-9144493" class="ipsJS_show"><button class="ipsButton ipsButton_light ipsButton_verySmall ipsButton_narrow cMultiQuote ipsHide" 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Tak, to bardzo istotne - budżet na pompę to maks. 10 tyś. Monoblock ponieważ nie mam F-gazów ale mam zaplecze techniczne, które pozwoli mi spokojnie dokonać montażu we własnym zakresie. Uprawnienia SEP są. </p> <p>Przeznaczenie to ogrzewanie podstawowe C.O. oraz CWU 200L (rodzina 2+2). Rezerwa to kominek.</p> <p>Budynek: nowy dom parter + poddasze łącznie 134 m2, ogrzewanie 100% podłogówka co 10 cm + 2x drabinka w łazienkach. Ocieplenie grafit 20 cm, spód 15 cm, czapka wełna 0,031 25 cm. Docelowa temperatura w pomieszczeniach 23 st. C. </p> <p>Pytanie, która z tych pomp będzie lepsza i bardziej efektywna? Trwałość to loteria także na chwilę obecną pomijamy ten fakt. Jak popracuje 5 lat to będę zadowolony.</p> <p>Poproszę o opinie użytkowników i osoby, które miały styczność z tymi urządzeniami. Jeśli macie inne propozycje w tym budżecie to również poproszę ale najlepiej z uzasadnieniem. <span><img alt=":)" data-emoticon="" height="20" src="https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/emoticons/smile-2.gif.e4c029939a37d656f72c42ad1cd10a9b.gif" title=":)" width="20"></span></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>To współczuję ci wyboru nie z powodu jakości pomp bo np haiera miałem to pewniak da radę na bank (patrz na 5kw) natomiast kaisaia już kupiłem ale polecać nie mogę bo to leżak i czeka na swoją kolej , w kaisaiu więcej opcji lepszy sterownik itp to klon takich pomp jak sevra czy rotenso aquami i kilku jeszcze innych więc z ustawieniami czy coś masz do wyboru kilka pomp bo te same ustawienia mają , haier nie ma grzałek ale jak ustawisz np temp zasilania raz na powiedzmy 28 stopni to tak całą zimę poleci a mocy bez grzałek mu nie zabraknie to pewne ,miałem to wiem w domu starszym i przy minus poniżej 15 spokojnie szedł bez ceregieli.</p> </div> <div class="ipsItemControls"> <div 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Czy zatem warto patrzeć na PC 5kW? Zdaję sobie sprawę, że grzanie CO i CWU może nie odbywać się jednocześnie tylko czy po uwzględnieniu spadków wydajności przy niskich temperaturach, urządzenie dostarczy odpowiednio dużo ciepła?</p> <p><a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" data-fileid="347017" data-fullurl="https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_11/Screenshot_2024-11-27-19-57-26-96_cbf47468f7ecfbd8ebcc46bf9cc626da.jpg.d696d6ed9dfc7794b21603f22dac269b.jpg" href="https://forum-murator-pl.translate.goog/uploads/monthly_2024_11/Screenshot_2024-11-27-19-57-26-96_cbf47468f7ecfbd8ebcc46bf9cc626da.jpg.d696d6ed9dfc7794b21603f22dac269b.jpg?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=lv&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" data-fileext="jpg" rel=""><img alt="Screenshot_2024-11-27-19-57-26-96_cbf47468f7ecfbd8ebcc46bf9cc626da.jpg" class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="347017" data-ratio="202.7" style="height: auto;" width="370" 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Czy zatem warto patrzeć na PC 5kW? 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Oczywiście do tego potrzeba jeszcze tanich stref w wybranej taryfie, a z tym nic nie wiadomo w przyszłości.</li> <li>z CW:<br> "wymagana moc pompy ciepła w trybie biwalentnym jest mniejsza: przy -5°C pompa ciepła ma osiągać 4,4kW (dla wymaganej wówczas temperatury zasilania instalacji grzewczej)."<br> Z tabeli mocy pompy Heier 8 kW:<br><a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://forum-murator-pl.translate.goog/uploads/monthly_2024_11/image.png.6c7c2c62f2b24955f03fd0597883d93b.png?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=lv&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" data-fileid="347023" data-fileext="png" rel=""><img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="347023" data-ratio="62.10" data-unique="9ic7wvrmt" width="1000" alt="image.png" data-src="https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_11/image.thumb.png.a48637f7e7bb3dedf87120acb38be2af.png" src="https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></a></li> </ol> <p>5 KW będzie jednak za mała i może pracować na grzałkach zbyt często, a 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Docelowa temperatura w pomieszczeniach 23 st. C.\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tPytanie, kt\u00f3ra z tych pomp b\u0119dzie lepsza i bardziej efektywna? Trwa\u0142o\u015b\u0107 to loteria tak\u017ce na chwil\u0119 obecn\u0105 pomijamy ten fakt. Jak popracuje 5 lat to b\u0119d\u0119 zadowolony.\n \n\n\n\tPoprosz\u0119 o opinie u\u017cytkownik\u00f3w i osoby, kt\u00f3re mia\u0142y styczno\u015b\u0107 z tymi urz\u0105dzeniami. Je\u015bli macie inne propozycje w tym bud\u017cecie to r\u00f3wnie\u017c poprosz\u0119 ale najlepiej z uzasadnieniem. \n \n", "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T15:48:02+0000", "datePublished": "2024-11-27T15:48:02+0000", "dateModified": "2024-11-28T09:09:11+0000", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prezzess", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/294556-prezzess/" }, "interactionStatistic": [ { "@type": "InteractionCounter", "interactionType": "http://schema.org/ViewAction", "userInteractionCount": 126 }, { "@type": "InteractionCounter", "interactionType": "http://schema.org/CommentAction", "userInteractionCount": 12 }, { "@type": "InteractionCounter", "interactionType": "http://schema.org/FollowAction", "userInteractionCount": 2 } ], "@context": "http://schema.org", "@type": "DiscussionForumPosting", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/", "isPartOf": { "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/#website" }, "publisher": { "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/#organization", "member": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prezzess", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/294556-prezzess/" } }, "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/", "discussionUrl": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/", "mainEntityOfPage": { "@type": "WebPage", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/" }, "pageStart": 1, "pageEnd": 1, "comment": [ { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144493", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144493", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Ratpaw", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_07/avatar244432_1.thumb.gif.a78d1f1dfbfa7eb1d2b4e7edbf214cd6.gif", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/243371-ratpaw/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T16:10:40+0000", "text": "Raczej Super Aqua 5 kW + grza\u0142ka. Zr\u00f3b OZC dla swojego budynku, ew. oszacuj na apce \"ciep\u0142o w\u0142a\u015bciwie\".\n \n\n\n\tZ Kaisaiem nie mia\u0142em do czynienia, Haiera montowa\u0142em i wszystko dzia\u0142a jak nale\u017cy, wi\u0119c poleci\u0107 mog\u0119 tego ostatniego.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144496", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144496", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prokurator", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/293361-prokurator/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T16:45:19+0000", "text": "To wsp\u00f3\u0142czuj\u0119 ci wyboru nie z powodu jako\u015bci pomp bo np haiera mia\u0142em to pewniak da rad\u0119 na bank (patrz na 5kw) natomiast kaisaia ju\u017c kupi\u0142em ale poleca\u0107 nie mog\u0119 bo to le\u017cak i czeka na swoj\u0105 kolej , w kaisaiu wi\u0119cej opcji lepszy sterownik itp to klon takich pomp jak sevra czy rotenso aquami i kilku jeszcze innych wi\u0119c z ustawieniami czy co\u015b masz do wyboru kilka pomp bo te same ustawienia maj\u0105 , haier nie ma grza\u0142ek ale jak ustawisz np temp zasilania raz na powiedzmy 28 stopni to tak ca\u0142\u0105 zim\u0119 poleci a mocy bez grza\u0142ek mu nie zabraknie to pewne ,mia\u0142em to wiem w domu starszym i przy minus poni\u017cej 15 spokojnie szed\u0142 bez ceregieli.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144500", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144500", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prezzess", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/294556-prezzess/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T19:13:20+0000", "text": "Podsumowanie z cieplowlasciwie jak wida\u0107 przewiduje zapotrzebowanie na energi\u0119 ciepln\u0105 na poziomie 6,4 kW z CWU. Czy zatem warto patrze\u0107 na PC 5kW? Zdaj\u0119 sobie spraw\u0119, \u017ce grzanie CO i CWU mo\u017ce nie odbywa\u0107 si\u0119 jednocze\u015bnie tylko czy po uwzgl\u0119dnieniu spadk\u00f3w wydajno\u015bci przy niskich temperaturach, urz\u0105dzenie dostarczy odpowiednio du\u017co ciep\u0142a?\n \n\n ", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144509", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144509", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prokurator", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/293361-prokurator/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T20:08:23+0000", "text": "Znam t\u0119 pomp\u0119 tzn 8kw u mnie by\u0142a za mocna teraz m\u0142ody j\u0105 ma w nowym domu o pow 140 m2 czyli podobny do twojego docieplenie podobne bo te\u017c 20 cm na \u015bcianach z ytonga , pod dachem pianka ale nie wiem czy 15 czy wi\u0119cej i ta pompa wi\u0119cej stoi ni\u017c idzie dodam \u017ce pierwsz\u0105 zim\u0105 mia\u0142 tylko 5cm styro i po zimie posz\u0142o drugie 15cm a pompa nawet pod 20 stopni mrozu dawa\u0142a rad\u0119 bze jakich\u015b grza\u0142em ale pr\u0105d ju\u017c by\u0142 du\u017cy bo i 40 kw czasem wi\u0119cej dobowo sz\u0142o a teraz po dociepleniu nawet 1/3 tego nie zjada , wg mnie 5kw powinno by\u0107 ok cho\u0107 ja pewnie bym bra\u0142 8 kw bo mniej defrost\u00f3w .\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144512", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144512", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "d7d", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_07/avatar206162_30.thumb.gif.fc476351cb1c102e2ce7bef0b8835308.gif", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/205171-d7d/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T20:13:43+0000", "text": "Ciekawe czy obliczeniowo, po dociepleniu \u015bcian z 5 cm styropianu na 20 cm (5+15=20), te\u017c wychodzi 1/3 poprzedniego zapotrzebowania ciep\u0142a na ogrzewanie (i te\u017c na c.w.u.).\n \n\n\n\tSpad\u0142o z 40kWh dobowo (i wi\u0119cej) na mniej ni\u017c 1/3 x 40 kWh = 13,33 kWh dobowo.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144514", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144514", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prokurator", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/293361-prokurator/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T20:19:06+0000", "text": "Widzia\u0142es ten dom masz poj\u0119cie jakies o nim ? no nie masz a ja mam , wyobra\u017a sobie \u017ce ten dom w \u015bcianie kolankowej ma 9 s\u0142up\u00f3w a na drugiej 11 s\u0142up\u00f3w betonowych oraz s\u0142upy w naro\u017cnikach itp ,ten dom stoi na tzw szkodach g\u00f3rniczych nie pami\u0119tam chyba 3 kategori czy jak to si\u0119 nazywa w ka\u017cdym razie najnormalniej para od \u015brodka by\u0142a tam gdzie te s\u0142upy betonowe , projektant chyba przedawkowa\u0142 kre\u015bl\u0105c ten dom w malin\u00f3wkach 4 .\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144518", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144518", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "d7d", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_07/avatar206162_30.thumb.gif.fc476351cb1c102e2ce7bef0b8835308.gif", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/205171-d7d/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T20:22:36+0000", "text": "Nie znam bo sk\u0105d mam zna\u0107. Mo\u017ce dodanie ocieplenie 15 cm do istniej\u0105cego 5 cm daje takie znacz\u0105ce zmniejszenie zapotrzebowania ciep\u0142a. Trzeba by to policzy\u0107 i por\u00f3wna\u0107 wynik oblicze\u0144 z praktyk\u0105.\n \n\n\n\tZmiana z 40 kWh na 14 kWh jest to znacz\u0105ce zmniejszenie zapotrzebowania energii cieplnej.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144528", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144528", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Ratpaw", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_07/avatar244432_1.thumb.gif.a78d1f1dfbfa7eb1d2b4e7edbf214cd6.gif", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/243371-ratpaw/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T21:48:26+0000", "text": "Wrzu\u0107 link do tego wyliczenia, przecie\u017c to chyba nie tajemnica?\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144530", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144530", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prezzess", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/294556-prezzess/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T22:30:15+0000", "text": "Podsumowanie\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144536", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144536", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Ratpaw", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_07/avatar244432_1.thumb.gif.a78d1f1dfbfa7eb1d2b4e7edbf214cd6.gif", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/243371-ratpaw/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T23:38:46+0000", "text": "Nie masz\u00a0 rekuperacji?\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144547", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144547", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "prezzess", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/294556-prezzess/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-28T07:04:03+0000", "text": "Nie mam.\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144557", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/topic/285198-kt%C3%B3r%C4%85-pomp%C4%99-ciep%C5%82a-wybra%C4%87-haier-super-aqua-78-kw-czy-kaisai-arctic-khc-08ry3-b-8-kw/#comment-9144557", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Ratpaw", "image": "https://forum.murator.pl/uploads/monthly_2024_07/avatar244432_1.thumb.gif.a78d1f1dfbfa7eb1d2b4e7edbf214cd6.gif", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/profile/243371-ratpaw/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-28T09:09:11+0000", "text": "Ja bym jednak wzi\u0105\u0142 model 8 kW, poniewa\u017c:\n \n\n\n\t\n\t\tdu\u017co szybciej nagrzeje cwu, co jest wa\u017cne przy dzieciakach k\u0105panych w wannie\n\t \n\t\n\t\tb\u0119dziesz w stanie grza\u0107 dom w interwa\u0142ach, na co potrzeba dodatkowej mocy w PC. Oczywi\u015bcie do tego potrzeba jeszcze tanich stref w wybranej taryfie, a z tym nic nie wiadomo w przysz\u0142o\u015bci.\n\t \n\t\n\t\tz CW: \n\t\t\"wymagana moc pompy ciep\u0142a w trybie biwalentnym jest mniejsza: przy -5\u00b0C pompa ciep\u0142a ma osi\u0105ga\u0107 4,4kW (dla wymaganej w\u00f3wczas temperatury zasilania instalacji grzewczej).\" \n\t\tZ tabeli mocy pompy Heier 8 kW: \n\t\t\n\t \n\n\n\n\t5 KW b\u0119dzie jednak za ma\u0142a i mo\u017ce pracowa\u0107 na grza\u0142kach zbyt cz\u0119sto, a kosztuje tyle samo co 8 kW.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 } ] } </script> <script type="application/ld+json"> { "@context": "http://www.schema.org", "publisher": "https://forum.murator.pl/#organization", "@type": "WebSite", "@id": "https://forum.murator.pl/#website", "mainEntityOfPage": "https://forum.murator.pl/", "name": "Forum Murator", "url": "https://forum.murator.pl/", "potentialAction": { "type": "SearchAction", "query-input": "required name=query", "target": 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