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class="mw-talkpageheader"> </div><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ChristianKl-20240430110000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)-20240430110000","replies":["c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)"],"text":"Wrong uses of nomenclatural type of (Q116044186)","linkableTitle":"Wrong uses of nomenclatural type of (Q116044186)"}--><h2 id="Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)-20240430110000"><span id="Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_.28Q116044186.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)-20240430110000"></span>Wrong uses of <a href="/wiki/Q116044186" title="Q116044186">nomenclatural type of <small>(Q116044186)</small></a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)-20240430110000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UtherSRG&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Wrong uses of nomenclatural type of (Q116044186)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ChristianKl-20240430110000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)-20240430110000","replies":["c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000","timestamp":"20240501110100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ChristianKl-20240430110000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)-20240430110000","replies":["c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)"],"text":"Wrong uses of nomenclatural type of (Q116044186)","linkableTitle":"Wrong uses of nomenclatural type of (Q116044186)"}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Q116044186" title="Q116044186"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)"></span>nomenclatural type of <small>(Q116044186)</small></a> is a Wikidata internal item to provide label names for the relatedItems gadget. It does not have the same meaning as <a href="/wiki/Q116538381" title="Q116538381">nomenclatural type <small>(Q116538381)</small></a>. It seems like you added a few dozen examples of it being used wrongly, can you switch them to a more correct item? <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG#c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430110000","author":"ChristianKl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)","replies":["c-UtherSRG-20240430110500-ChristianKl-20240430110000","c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20240430110000-Wrong_uses_of_nomenclatural_type_of_(Q116044186)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UtherSRG-20240430110500-ChristianKl-20240430110000"></span>I used it appropriately as the "inverse property label for P427"... where the parent taxon has P427, the child has Q116044186. Can you point out a place where I've used it incorrectly? - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG#c-UtherSRG-20240430110500-ChristianKl-20240430110000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UtherSRG-20240430110500-ChristianKl-20240430110000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430110500","author":"UtherSRG","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-UtherSRG-20240430110500-ChristianKl-20240430110000","replies":["c-ChristianKl-20240430112400-UtherSRG-20240430110500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UtherSRG-20240430110500-ChristianKl-20240430110000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20240430112400-UtherSRG-20240430110500"></span>There's a difference between an apple and the label "apple". You can eat an actual apple but you can't eat the label "apple". We have inverse property label for the relatedItems gadget to show the right labels by linking the items about the labels with <a href="/wiki/Property:P7087" title="Property:P7087">inverse label item <small dir="ltr">(P7087)</small></a>.</dd> <dd>Wikidata has by design no inverse property for <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type <small dir="ltr">(P427)</small></a>. Users can look at that data by using the relatedItems gadget. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG#c-ChristianKl-20240430112400-UtherSRG-20240430110500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20240430112400-UtherSRG-20240430110500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430112400","author":"ChristianKl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ChristianKl-20240430112400-UtherSRG-20240430110500","replies":["c-UtherSRG-20240430113400-ChristianKl-20240430112400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20240430112400-UtherSRG-20240430110500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UtherSRG-20240430113400-ChristianKl-20240430112400"></span>That doesn't answer my question, nor is it helpful. Wikipedia's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:taxonbar" class="extiw" title="en:template:taxonbar">en:template:taxonbar</a> uses Wikidata fields programatically. It is currently looking at parent/child relationships for monotypic taxons, with P427 on the parent and Q116044186 on the child to validate the monotypic relationship. If this is incorrect, then all of the places I (and others) have Q116044186 are incorrect, and we will have to change the taxonbar. @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jts1882&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jts1882 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Jts1882</bdi></a>: Please jump in here... - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG#c-UtherSRG-20240430113400-ChristianKl-20240430112400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UtherSRG-20240430113400-ChristianKl-20240430112400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430113400","author":"UtherSRG","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-UtherSRG-20240430113400-ChristianKl-20240430112400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UtherSRG-20240430113400-ChristianKl-20240430112400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><bdi>ChristianKl</bdi></a>: Didn't mean to leave you hanging, but we are discussing on en-wiki how to come up with a better solution for our taxonbar. If you want to peek in or help out, it's at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Taxonbar#"nomenclatural_type_of"_usage_being_frowned_upon" class="extiw" title="en:Template talk:Taxonbar">en:Template talk:Taxonbar#"nomenclatural type of" usage being frowned upon</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG#c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240501110100","author":"UtherSRG","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UtherSRG-20240501110100-ChristianKl-20240430110000"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐f69cdc8f6‐chdqs Cached time: 20241124092535 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.011 seconds CPU time usage: 0.055 seconds Real time usage: 0.083 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 268/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 1426/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 217/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 7/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 0/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.009/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 734805/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/500 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 49.244 1 -total 57.17% 28.151 5 Template:Label 52.02% 25.616 3 Template:Q 24.53% 12.078 2 Template:P 17.48% 8.608 1 Template:Yo 4.24% 2.086 1 Template:Ping 3.62% 1.784 2 Template:Str_left --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key wikidatawiki:pcache:idhash:119811692-0!canonical and timestamp 20241124092535 and revision id 2265455857. 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