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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_International_relations" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject International relations">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">International relations</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject International relations</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">International relations</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Title" data-mw-thread-id="h-Title-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Title-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"></span>Title<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Title-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Title"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z-Title"></span>When I first saw that title, it suggested the <a href="/wiki/British_Empire" title="British Empire">British Empire</a>. Is there any way of letting the title indicate "Japan"? Also, why not a link to an article showing what the Japanese took out of Korea by way of technology a few hundred years ago? It has parallels with the Thais' cultural drawing on the Cambodians, through taking people who had skills etc. PML. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:203.202.5.75&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:203.202.5.75 (page does not exist)">203.202.5.75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.202.5.75" title="User talk:203.202.5.75">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75" title="Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z-Title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z-Title"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z-Title"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"></span>But imperial doesn't mean British Empire while it might sound like so. In wikipedia, we basically don't put a country name, if the title is unique enough or famous enough. For example, <a href="/wiki/War_on_Terrorism" class="mw-redirect" title="War on Terrorism">War on Terrorism</a> doesn't have US in the title but it is fine. There are some articles whose title is simply translated from Japanese. For example, <a href="/wiki/Abolition_of_the_han_system" title="Abolition of the han system">Abolition of the han system</a>. This again doesn't have Japan in the title. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">TakuyaMurata</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TakuyaMurata" title="User talk:TakuyaMurata">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TakuyaMurata" title="Special:Contributions/TakuyaMurata">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:14:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span>It wasn't the word "imperial" on its own that suggested the <a href="/wiki/British_Empire" title="British Empire">British Empire</a>. It was the fact that it was the only empire I could think of that sent missions to China, unless maybe you count <a href="/wiki/Napoleon_III" title="Napoleon III">Napoleon III</a>'s <a href="/wiki/Second_Empire" class="mw-disambig" title="Second Empire">Second Empire</a>. To us, "imperial" in connection with Japan is either an internal thing or a <a href="/wiki/World_War_II" title="World War II">World War II</a> thing, but we don't often think of it in a context of Japan's external connections. Sure, that may be our mistake - but the title doesn't instruct us on the matter. PML. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:203.202.5.75&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:203.202.5.75 (page does not exist)">203.202.5.75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.202.5.75" title="User talk:203.202.5.75">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75" title="Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:14:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:14:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:14:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span>This reminds me arguments in Emperor of Japan, that is the title is not educational enough. It may be controversial but I don't think we need to make the title educational enough. I know the title seems misleading and actually it is for most of people. But if we start to think in such a way, the title of a lot of article can be misleading. Unless we started to cover such embassies to china from other than Japan, we don't need to disambiguate. <a href="/wiki/Abolition_of_the_han_system" title="Abolition of the han system">Abolition of the han system</a> might sound an article related to Han Chinese in China but then do we want to put of Japan because the title might be vague? -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> 04:24 May 15, 2003 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It's Japanese? So the answer is yes. See? PML. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:203.202.5.75&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:203.202.5.75 (page does not exist)">203.202.5.75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.202.5.75" title="User talk:203.202.5.75">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75" title="Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2003-05-15T03:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z"></span>errrr, well I am indecisive on this one. "Han" represents transliteration of several different Chinese and Japanese characters. Reserving "Han" only for Han Chinese sugguests a prejudice against Japanese but "Han" has been extensively used for China-related topics in Wiki. <a href="/wiki/User:Kt2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Kt2">User:kt2</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The title needs clarifications for Japanese Imperial embassies to China. First I doubt the title is the official academic name of 遣唐使 though I don't know the right name. Second Japanese Imperial embassies to China or similar titles clearly distinguish the article for Japanese embassies. I recommand using the Japanese transliteration as title, i.e. <a href="/wiki/Kentoshi" class="mw-redirect" title="Kentoshi">kentoshi</a>. Then we surely know those embassies to China was from Japan because British embassies would never use Japanese language referring to their diplomats. And for the sake of replying, several European coounties sent embassies to China, not just the British. Check <a href="/wiki/Fernao_Pires_de_Andrade" class="mw-redirect" title="Fernao Pires de Andrade">Fernao Pires de Andrade</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kt2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Kt2">User:kt2</a> 04:25 May 15, 2003</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>No, we don't need to clarify the title if there is no need of disambiguation. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> 16:52 May 15, 2003 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Sure - only, they aren't generally thought of as empires in the same way as the <a href="/wiki/British_Empire" title="British Empire">British Empire</a>. Yes, I know their overseas possessions were called empires - I just mean that they don't spring to mind in the same way, because it wasn't the empire part that sent the missions. PML. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:203.202.5.75&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:203.202.5.75 (page does not exist)">203.202.5.75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.202.5.75" title="User talk:203.202.5.75">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75" title="Special:Contributions/203.202.5.75">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T04:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:49:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"></span>Yes, the article much need more works. Only the reason I made is because some people might change the link to this article, not knowning about this is an important historical topic in Japanese history.</dd></dl> <p>-- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> 03:45 15 May 2003 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>But this title doesn't say <i><b>what</b></i> Empire the embassies are from. Unless you're planning on including ambassadors from every Empire who ever sent embassies to China, this needs to be disambiguated. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zoe" title="User:Zoe">Zoe</a> <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Zoe" title="User:Zoe">Zoe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoe" title="User talk:Zoe">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zoe" title="Special:Contributions/Zoe">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:49:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:49:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:49:00.000Z-203.202.5.75-2003-05-15T03:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:54:00.000Z-Title"></span>But will we cover the embassies from others? Then we just go to disambig page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> 03:51 15 May 2003 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Then call this <a href="/w/index.php?title=Japanese_Imperial_embassies_to_China&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Japanese Imperial embassies to China (page does not exist)">Japanese Imperial embassies to China</a>. Or <a href="/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China" class="mw-redirect" title="Imperial Japanese embassies to China">Imperial Japanese embassies to China</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zoe" title="User:Zoe">Zoe</a> <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Zoe" title="User:Zoe">Zoe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoe" title="User talk:Zoe">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zoe" title="Special:Contributions/Zoe">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Japanese_embassies_to_China#c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:54:00.000Z-Title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 15 May 2003 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:54:00.000Z-Title"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zoe-2003-05-15T03:54:00.000Z-Title"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <p>But will we cover the embassies from others? 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