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deprecation</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Category_issue"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Category issue</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Marking in translation and magic word int</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_to_translate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_to_translate-20221021104100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_to_translate-20221021104100"></span>Page to translate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_to_translate-20221021104100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aafi&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Page to translate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100-Page_to_translate"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi">TheAafi</a>, as admin translator as you are, I would like to ask you please to mark <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Wikiproject_Lieder" title="Wikidata:Wikiproject Lieder">Wikidata:Wikiproject Lieder</a> as translatable. This is a Wikiproject I coordinate and would like to have it also in Catalan, my mother language. Thank you very much. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100-Page_to_translate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100-Page_to_translate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100-Page_to_translate"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20221021140200-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a>, I'd be glad to help you. The page you mentioned has got two huge tables and it would be time consuming for me to prepare them for translatiom. Please allow me sometime and I'll prepare this. Best, ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20221021140200-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20221021140200-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20221021140200-Robertgarrigos-20221021104100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20221021141800-TheAafi-20221021140200"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a>, although I have prepared and marked it for translation, we are sadly facing a bug <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320220" class="extiw" title="phab:T320220">phab:T320220</a>. ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20221021141800-TheAafi-20221021140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20221021141800-TheAafi-20221021140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20221021141800-TheAafi-20221021140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161100-TheAafi-20221021141800"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161100-TheAafi-20221021141800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161100-TheAafi-20221021141800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161100-TheAafi-20221021141800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162300-TheAafi-20221021141800"></span>It seems is working, is it? <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162300-TheAafi-20221021141800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162300-TheAafi-20221021141800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162300-TheAafi-20221021141800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162900-TheAafi-20221021141800"></span>Yes, indeed, is working. I just translated into Catalan. Thanks again. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162900-TheAafi-20221021141800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162900-TheAafi-20221021141800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021162900-TheAafi-20221021141800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000-TheAafi-20221021140200"></span>I actually don't care about the tables, as they are properties which in fact get already translated, and thus it wouldn't be necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000-TheAafi-20221021140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000-TheAafi-20221021140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000-TheAafi-20221021140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20221021161400-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a>, alright, once the bug gets sorted out, I'll see if there is anything left. Please let me know if you need my help elsewhere. Thanks, ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20221021161400-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 21 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20221021161400-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20221021161400-Robertgarrigos-20221021161000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="changed_source_on_translatable_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-changed_source_on_translatable_page-20221022180100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-changed_source_on_translatable_page-20221022180100"></span>changed source on translatable page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-changed_source_on_translatable_page-20221022180100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aafi&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: changed source on translatable page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100-changed_source_on_translatable_page"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi">TheAafi</a>, I changed the source of <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Wikiproject_Lieder" title="Wikidata:Wikiproject Lieder">Wikidata:Wikiproject Lieder</a>, and now I realize that the new text is not available to translate. Do you have to do something to the page every time I change anything on it? In that case, wouldn't it be better if I have permissions to do so myself? Otherwise, this would refrain me to do further adjustments in the future. Do you agree? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100-changed_source_on_translatable_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100-changed_source_on_translatable_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100-changed_source_on_translatable_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100"></span>Dear <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a>, everytime you make any change to the page, it needs to be marked for translation by an admin. I'll be back on my system very soon and help you with this. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:AafiOnMobile" title="User:AafiOnMobile">AafiOnMobile</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AafiOnMobile" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AafiOnMobile"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 22 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400-Robertgarrigos-20221022180100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20221022183600-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400"></span>I'm a bit confused on this. I'd seek help from my dear master translator @<a href="/wiki/User:Ameisenigel" title="User:Ameisenigel">Ameisenigel</a> from whom I've learnt several things. ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20221022183600-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 22 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20221022183600-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20221022183600-AafiOnMobile-20221022180400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ameisenigel-20221022212400-TheAafi-20221022183600"></span>Everything is up for translation again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ameisenigel" title="User:Ameisenigel">Ameisenigel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ameisenigel" title="User talk:Ameisenigel"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Ameisenigel-20221022212400-TheAafi-20221022183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ameisenigel-20221022212400-TheAafi-20221022183600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ameisenigel-20221022212400-TheAafi-20221022183600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900-changed_source_on_translatable_page"></span>I'm facing some network problems on my system. Not able to fix this. <a href="/wiki/User:AafiOnMobile" title="User:AafiOnMobile">AafiOnMobile</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AafiOnMobile" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AafiOnMobile"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900-changed_source_on_translatable_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 22 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900-changed_source_on_translatable_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900-changed_source_on_translatable_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221022201300-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi">TheAafi</a>, but in this case, I'd rather not use the translation system. Would you mind to unmark the page for translation, please? <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgarrigos" title="User:Robertgarrigos">Robertgarrigos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgarrigos" title="User talk:Robertgarrigos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Robertgarrigos-20221022201300-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgarrigos-20221022201300-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgarrigos-20221022201300-AafiOnMobile-20221022183900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="P642_deprecation" data-mw-thread-id="h-P642_deprecation-20230127075300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-P642_deprecation-20230127075300"></span>P642 deprecation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-P642_deprecation-20230127075300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aafi&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: P642 deprecation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SM5POR-20230127075300-P642_deprecation"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi">TheAafi</a>: Hi, I saw that you recently updated the <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small dir="ltr">(P642)</small></a> description in Urdu, indicating that you are aware of the ongoing deprecation effort. I found a category <a href="/wiki/Q35489153" title="Q35489153">Category:Pages using Wikidata property P642 <small>(Q35489153)</small></a> with a link to a page <a href="https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B2%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%81:%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D9%85%D8%B9_%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5%DB%8C%D8%AA_P642" class="extiw" title="ur:زمرہ:صفحات مع خاصیت P642">ur:زمرہ:صفحات مع خاصیت P642</a> in Urdu, among others. I'm right now unable to obtain any help from Google Translate, but I recall that when I looked at it earlier, I concluded that it contained links to Wikipedia articles (in Urdu) somehow involving the P642 qualifier. </p><p>I hope to avoid breaking things that worked in the past in Wikipedia, and would therefore like to know in what way those Urdu articles relate to P642. </p><p>Would you be able to look into one or two of those articles and see what the P642 references are about? If you can explain the context and whether there is something in them that will have to be changed, we may want to facilitate a migration process for those pages, preferably coordinated with Urdu Wikipedia editors. <a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-SM5POR-20230127075300-P642_deprecation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SM5POR-20230127075300-P642_deprecation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SM5POR-20230127075300-P642_deprecation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20230127111300-SM5POR-20230127075300"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a>, a little look on the articles shows that these pages have infoboxes fetched from Wikidata. I am personally not aware of P642 and for what it is used. If you tell me more, I can perhaps dig out more from urwiki. Best, ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20230127111300-SM5POR-20230127075300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20230127111300-SM5POR-20230127075300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20230127111300-SM5POR-20230127075300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SM5POR-20230127205000-TheAafi-20230127111300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi">TheAafi</a>: I see, thanks for the explanation! Nearly two years ago Lucas Werkmeister wrote <a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister/P642_considered_harmful" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister/P642 considered harmful">an essay</a> arguing that the Wikidata property <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small dir="ltr">(P642)</small></a> suffers from merely being an English preposition with no single meaning that can be unambiguously translated into other language, and he recommended that it be phased out and replaced by other properties.</dd> <dd>Discussion of his proposal eventually led to a decision to follow this recommendation, and a project <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Data_Quality/Issues/P642" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642">Wikidata:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642</a> was launched a year ago. During 2022, some 10 million (!) instances of <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small dir="ltr">(P642)</small></a> were found to be due to an astronomical database indicating proper motion of stars and could be eliminated by defining two new properties for that purpose. Now we have fewer than a million instances left, and they are used with several different main properties, meaning that the remaining ones will take considerably more work to deal with.</dd> <dd>I initially wasn't aware of the discussion, nor did I take part in the decision to deprecate <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small dir="ltr">(P642)</small></a>, but I agree very much with the need for doing so, and I'm helping out with the inventory of current use cases. For one thing, I have set up a page <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Data_Quality/Issues/P642/Property_labels" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642/Property labels">Wikidata:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642/Property labels</a> specifically about translating the labels of any new properties into a number of languages to make sure they won't suffer from the same translation problems as <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small dir="ltr">(P642)</small></a> has done.</dd> <dd>As for myself, I only speak Swedish and English plus a little German and Spanish, but the project will have to rely on feedback from editors knowledgeable in other languages such as Russian, Arabic, Japanese and Chinese. Out of curiosity, I had Google translate the Urdu label بہ into English and got the response "by" which I find just as unclear as "of". The Arabic and Japanese labels both re-translate to "about", and the Chinese one to "belong".</dd> <dd>Anyway, we will have to look at the individual uses of P642 to understand how it should be rewritten. I tried to access the infobox for <a href="https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D9%86%DB%8C_%D9%84%D9%88%D9%88%D9%81" class="extiw" title="ur:https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/آنی لووف">ur:https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/آنی_لووف</a> (a Swedish politician I recognize) but couldn't find its source; what I want to know is which statement or query mentions "P642" so that I can compare it with our other use cases and determine how it should be dealt with.</dd> <dd>Looking at her Wikidata item <a href="/wiki/Q439393" title="Q439393">Annie Lööf <small>(Q439393)</small></a> I find exactly one use of <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small dir="ltr">(P642)</small></a> and that is <span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q439393" title="Q439393">Annie Lööf <small>(Q439393)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held <small>(P39)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1553195" title="Q1553195">party leader <small>(Q1553195)</small></a></span><wbr/><span class="qualifier"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of <small>(P642)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q110832" title="Q110832">Centre Party <small>(Q110832)</small></a></span></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style>; Annie Lööf is the leader "of" the Centre Party. The property <a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held <small dir="ltr">(P39)</small></a> is actually one of the use cases I'm working on, and my current idea is to create a new property "in service of" or similar, to be used with positions like this one (leadership roles, public administrative or private management roles): Party leader, president, prime minister, attorney general, ambassador, CEO, treasurer, auditor etc who perform a task "in service of" a country, a government agency, a corporate organization, an NGO and so on.</dd> <dd>Can you tell me, does the Urdu infobox in this article make any mention of properties P39 or P642? If both are present somewhere in the code, that's where we will need to change "P642" into something else whenever we have decided if "in service of" will be the replacement qualifier. If you can find out what URL those properties are found on, that would be very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-SM5POR-20230127205000-TheAafi-20230127111300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SM5POR-20230127205000-TheAafi-20230127111300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SM5POR-20230127205000-TheAafi-20230127111300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20230128055100-SM5POR-20230127205000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a>: In that article I was able to find an alternate word in place of "بہ" - the actual label in the translation. I am not sure what this label means but its alternate "در" could be easily located on the article of Loof. The one is that of party leader and the other one is "Member of Riksdag" to which she entered through <a href="/wiki/Q18332247" title="Q18332247">2018 Swedish general election <small>(Q18332247)</small></a> ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20230128055100-SM5POR-20230127205000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20230128055100-SM5POR-20230127205000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20230128055100-SM5POR-20230127205000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20230128055400-TheAafi-20230128055100"></span>Earlier people on Urdu Wikipedia and still so many among admins do not exactly know English and they took a lot from Arabic language and these infoboxes are part of that. <a href="https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%DB%81:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%81_%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A8_%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%A8/%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%DB%8C" class="extiw" title="ur:سانچہ:خانہ معلومات صاحب منصب/عربی">ur:سانچہ:خانہ معلومات صاحب منصب/عربی</a> is used on the article about Loof. ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20230128055400-TheAafi-20230128055100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20230128055400-TheAafi-20230128055100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20230128055400-TheAafi-20230128055100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category_issue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_issue-20230604112300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category_issue-20230604112300"></span>Category issue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category_issue-20230604112300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aafi&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Category issue"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vis_M-20230604112300-Category_issue"></span>I made that edit (which you reverted just now <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Discord&diff=prev&oldid=1907952439">[1]</a>) because currently that page was adding translation subpages to non-existing categories <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikidata/fr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Wikidata/fr (page does not exist)">Category:Wikidata/fr</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikidata/es&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Wikidata/es (page does not exist)">Category:Wikidata/es</a>, etc. I was fixing that actually. Thanks —<a href="/wiki/User:Vis_M" title="User:Vis M">Vis M</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vis_M" title="User talk:Vis M"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Vis_M-20230604112300-Category_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vis_M-20230604112300-Category_issue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vis_M-20230604112300-Category_issue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20230604122900-Vis_M-20230604112300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vis_M" title="User:Vis M">Vis M</a>, this is the anatomy of pages in translation. Not having the category marked for translation would add all of the translation subpages to base category at <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikidata" title="Category:Wikidata">Category:Wikidata</a>. Your edit was half-okay, and if there existed <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikidata:Discord" title="Category:Wikidata:Discord">Category:Wikidata:Discord</a>, I would not have reverted your edit. See for instance, <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikidata:Introduction" title="Category:Wikidata:Introduction">Category:Wikidata:Introduction</a>. There is no other way afaics. Best, ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20230604122900-Vis_M-20230604112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20230604122900-Vis_M-20230604112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20230604122900-Vis_M-20230604112300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vis_M-20230604152700-TheAafi-20230604122900"></span>Ok, I was thinking to create it after the edit gets approved. I have created <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikidata:Discord" title="Category:Wikidata:Discord">Category:Wikidata:Discord</a> now. Will that suffice? Regards —<a href="/wiki/User:Vis_M" title="User:Vis M">Vis M</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vis_M" title="User talk:Vis M"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Vis_M-20230604152700-TheAafi-20230604122900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vis_M-20230604152700-TheAafi-20230604122900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vis_M-20230604152700-TheAafi-20230604122900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAafi-20230604153000-Vis_M-20230604152700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vis_M" title="User:Vis M">Vis M</a>. <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b>. ─ <a href="/wiki/User:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheAafi"><span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAafi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheAafi"><span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-TheAafi-20230604153000-Vis_M-20230604152700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAafi-20230604153000-Vis_M-20230604152700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAafi-20230604153000-Vis_M-20230604152700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vis_M-20230604153400-TheAafi-20230604153000"></span>Thank you very much! :) Regards —<a href="/wiki/User:Vis_M" title="User:Vis M">Vis M</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vis_M" title="User talk:Vis M"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Vis_M-20230604153400-TheAafi-20230604153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vis_M-20230604153400-TheAafi-20230604153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vis_M-20230604153400-TheAafi-20230604153000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int" data-mw-thread-id="h-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int-20240229132100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int-20240229132100"></span>Marking in translation and magic word int<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int-20240229132100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aafi&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Marking in translation and magic word int"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eihel-20240229132100-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int"></span>Hello TheAafi, </p><p>Messages contained in i18n are common or widely used in Wikimedia projects: Monday, edit, year, etc. “Motivation” is not one of these terms. These messages are gathered in "MediaWiki (most important messages)" in Translatewiki. To add another message that can be used by the magic word int, you would need to put a patch in gerrit. Unthinkable. </p><p>So you should not mark to translate when you see this kind of modification, like <b><a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=TheAafi&page=Wikidata%3AProperty+proposal%2FProposal+preload&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist">here</a></b>. </p><p>I will write to the person requesting translations and who made the change on this page. </p><p>Cordially. <a href="/wiki/User:Eihel" title="User:Eihel">Eihel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eihel" title="User talk:Eihel"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Aafi#c-Eihel-20240229132100-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eihel-20240229132100-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eihel-20240229132100-Marking_in_translation_and_magic_word_int"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AafiOnMobile-20240229132400-Eihel-20240229132100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Eihel" title="User:Eihel">Eihel</a>: Thanks for looking into this and the note. MediaWiki is not my expertise and that's why I might have made an error. I need to be more cautious in future. 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