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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:28:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:28:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:28:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_Level_set" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_Level_set-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regarding_Level_set-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"></span>Regarding <a href="/wiki/Level_set" title="Level set">Level set</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regarding_Level_set-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PatrickR2&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Regarding Level set"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z-Regarding_Level_set"></span>The only reason I'm changing formatting is because using : to indent creates an incomplete list messing with markup and screen readers. Template block indent can be used, but the cuts off images on narrow screens. See <a href="/wiki/MOS:INDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:INDENT">MOS:INDENT</a> for details <a href="/wiki/User:Hellacioussatyr" title="User:Hellacioussatyr">Hellacioussatyr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hellacioussatyr" title="User talk:Hellacioussatyr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z-Regarding_Level_set" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 17 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z-Regarding_Level_set"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z-Regarding_Level_set"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:55:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"></span>Hmm, I did not know that. The result does not look as good sometimes, but ok. <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:55:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:55:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:55:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"></span>Just curious, what do you mean by "screen reader"? What's an example of screen reader where things would be messed up? (I am usually looking at it from a laptop.) <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T05:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Screen readers as in ease of access devices for the visually impaired or otherwise handicapped. <a href="/wiki/User:Hellacioussatyr" title="User:Hellacioussatyr">Hellacioussatyr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hellacioussatyr" title="User talk:Hellacioussatyr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z-PatrickR2-2022-06-17T22:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-18T00:27:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Have you actually used a screen reader and seen that the formatting is incorrect, or is it just a theoretical concern that the formatting on such a device could be messed up? <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-2022-06-18T00:27:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-18T00:27:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-2022-06-18T00:27:00.000Z-Hellacioussatyr-2022-06-17T23:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Asking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Asking-20220816121400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Asking-20220816121400"></span>Asking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Asking-20220816121400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PatrickR2&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Asking"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400-Asking"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a>. Can I ask something before editing Wikipedia? I want to discuss with folks, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2022/May#Need_to_rephrase_Commutative_property" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2022/May">as you worded</a> that my English is not grammatical and suggest to serious improvement, it is restricted me and therefore I cannot discuss something I don't understand. In this case, can I talk with others again but this time I would like to use grammar tools to aid me? My apologies for this silly question. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400-Asking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 16 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400-Asking"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400-Asking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20220817064600-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400"></span>Dedhert.Jr</a> Hi. Not sure what you are asking me here. Can you clarify? <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-20220817064600-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-20220817064600-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-20220817064600-Dedhert.Jr-20220816121400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400-PatrickR2-20220817064600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> If you remember the last time I talk in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WPM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WPM">WT:WPM</a>, especially <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2022/May#Need_to_rephrase_Commutative_property" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2022/May">this one</a>, you told me this one:</dd> <dd></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="cquote pullquote" role="presentation" style="margin:auto; border-collapse: collapse; border: none; width: auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“ </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">...but I would like to suggest a serious improvement of your English capability before editing anything yourself in Wikipedia. Your English is just not grammatical. In a Talk comment we can figure out what you mean, but it would not be acceptable in a wikipedia article itself. </td> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">” </td></tr> </tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I am not sure if I cannot talk with other folks just because of abysmal grammar. It has bothered me every single time when I want to talk in English Wikipedia after you mentioned above. Can I have a suggestion from you so I can talk with others again? <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400-PatrickR2-20220817064600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400-PatrickR2-20220817064600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400-PatrickR2-20220817064600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20220817081700-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400"></span>If by "talk" you mean leave messages on other people's Talk page, there is no problem with that. You can discuss anything on a Talk page, even if the grammar is bad or the sentences sometimes are hard to understand. People can try to make sense of it, guessing if needed. The Talk pages don't need to be polished, except to convey opinions and discussions. It still helps if the message is understandable though. I realize I may not have been clear before. When I said "editing" Wikipedia, I meant editing articles themselves, as the articles are always held to a high standard of correctness.</dd> <dd>You definitely have a basis of English and are able to convey ideas, but your writing does not flow naturally, it is sometimes really hard to understand and bothersome to read. In <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2022/May#Need_to_rephrase_Commutative_property" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2022/May">the link you gave at the top</a>, nearly every sentence has some problems. (examples: "this article needs to rephrase" should be "needs to be rephrased", as rephrase is a transitive verb; "made the reader, probably, confused to read what it means" --> "probably made the reader ..." flows better; "to read what it means" does not make sense. Did you mean "to understand what it means"? (one reads a book, but one does not read a meaning; etc, etc for each of the rest of the sentences). Not sure what your native language is. But I think spending a substantial amount of time (months) to improve your command of English, especially written English, would be very beneficial in your future professional life. If it were me, a formal course would probably not be the way to go. But there are tons of resources out there on the internet, youtube, maybe ask a native speaker friend or hire a tutor to give you pointers. I think there may be "writing exchange sites" out there that could be useful (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://languagetool.org/">https://languagetool.org/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.onlinecorrection.com/">https://www.onlinecorrection.com/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.grammarly.com/">https://www.grammarly.com/</a> maybe) Personally I like <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.lingq.com">https://www.lingq.com</a> for learning languages. The main thing is to spend time paying attention and analyzing things. Hope that helps. <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-20220817081700-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-20220817081700-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-20220817081700-Dedhert.Jr-20220817073400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900-PatrickR2-20220817081700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> Thanks. Hope this will helps me a lot. But there is one question left that I need to ask, so I probably make a new section on a random talk page. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900-PatrickR2-20220817081700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900-PatrickR2-20220817081700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900-PatrickR2-20220817081700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20220817203400-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900"></span>"this will helps me" --> "this will help me" :-) <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-20220817203400-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-20220817203400-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-20220817203400-Dedhert.Jr-20220817083900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220818052500-PatrickR2-20220817203400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> Ahahaha... thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-Dedhert.Jr-20220818052500-PatrickR2-20220817203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220818052500-PatrickR2-20220817203400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20220818052500-PatrickR2-20220817203400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Compactly_generated_space" data-mw-thread-id="h-Compactly_generated_space-20230603104400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Compactly_generated_space-20230603104400"></span><a href="/wiki/Compactly_generated_space" title="Compactly generated space">Compactly generated space</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Compactly_generated_space-20230603104400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PatrickR2&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Compactly generated space"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400-Compactly_generated_space"></span>Hi PatrickR2. You've added some references for "Rezk 2018" to Compactly generated space, but no such work is defined in the article. Could you add the required cite to the "References" section, or let me know what work this refers to? Separately I've had to remove your references using stackexchange in the same article, it isn't considered a reliable source for referencing. It has an entry on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a> where you can read past discussions on the matter. -- LCU <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a></b> <small><i>∆<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">transmissions</a>∆</i> °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">co-ords</a>°</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400-Compactly_generated_space" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400-Compactly_generated_space"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400-Compactly_generated_space"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20230603184400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400"></span>Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll add Rezk as appropriate. Regarding the use of stackexchange, specifically Mathematics StackExchange, I'll bring the topic for discussion with a wider audience on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics</a>. It may have been discussed there before, but we'll need to rehash the topic. But I need to ask you, because it will be relevant to this wider discussion, specifically about the "nature of proof" in mathematics: are you a mathematician? Or what is your background in mathematics? <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-20230603184400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-20230603184400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-20230603184400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603104400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600-PatrickR2-20230603184400"></span>No I'm not a mathematician, I've just seen some previous discussions around stackexchange. The appropriate place for any discussion would be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSN">WP:RSN</a>, as that's the place for discussing the reliability of sources. Without going back over those discussions the issue is likely going to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UGC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UGC">WP:UGC</a>. -- LCU <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a></b> <small><i>∆<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">transmissions</a>∆</i> °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">co-ords</a>°</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600-PatrickR2-20230603184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600-PatrickR2-20230603184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600-PatrickR2-20230603184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20230603190400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600"></span>OK. Like it says on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a>, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Context matters tremendously, and some sources may or may not be suitable for certain uses depending on the situation.</q> We'll discuss this specifically for mathematics first on Wikiproject Mathematics and get back to you. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-PatrickR2-20230603190400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-20230603190400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-20230603190400-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603190900-PatrickR2-20230603190400"></span>Ok but I very much doubt you'll have much luck at RSN and projects do not have the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LOCALCON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LOCALCON">consensus level</a> to overrule project wide decisions. -- LCU <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a></b> <small><i>∆<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">transmissions</a>∆</i> °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">co-ords</a>°</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603190900-PatrickR2-20230603190400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603190900-PatrickR2-20230603190400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230603190900-PatrickR2-20230603190400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hello_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello_again-20230605214200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hello_again-20230605214200"></span>Hello again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hello_again-20230605214200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PatrickR2&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Hello again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230605214200-Hello_again"></span>We got off on the wrong foot, and I just wanted to apologise. My comments might not have been uncivil, but they were hardly friendly. -- LCU <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a></b> <small><i>∆<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">transmissions</a>∆</i> °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">co-ords</a>°</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230605214200-Hello_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230605214200-Hello_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20230605214200-Hello_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20230605220800-ActivelyDisinterested-20230605214200"></span>No problem at all. We were both trying to do the best thing for Wikipedia. Although I think there is a loss here, the discussion was informative. The main thing is what I was advocating was just not practical, so I understand better why there is a blanket prohibition on MO/MSE references. 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