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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Louis_Jourdain_arrested"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Louis Jourdain arrested</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Louis_Jourdain_arrested-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Extraneous_bits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Extraneous_bits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Extraneous bits</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Extraneous_bits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CCHR_link_removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CCHR_link_removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>CCHR link removed</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-CCHR_link_removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_little_dramatic,_huh?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_little_dramatic,_huh?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>A little dramatic, huh?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_little_dramatic,_huh?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Link_Removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Link_Removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Link Removed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Link_Removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NPOV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NPOV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>NPOV</span> </div> </a> <span 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For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeff_Weise&action=history&date-range-to=2024-02-04">its history</a></span>; for the discussion at that location, see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Jeff_Weise" title="Talk:Jeff Weise">its talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Internet_Postings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Internet_Postings-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Internet_Postings-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z"></span>Internet Postings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Internet_Postings-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Internet Postings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-76.112.204.109-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z-Internet_Postings"></span>Do we have any actual proof that (1) Those postings were made on the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party forum. (2) The names alleged to have made those postings were in fact HIM. His page says that he is "believed to have made" postings. ====--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.112.204.109" title="Special:Contributions/76.112.204.109">76.112.204.109</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:76.112.204.109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:76.112.204.109 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-76.112.204.109-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z-Internet_Postings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-76.112.204.109-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z-Internet_Postings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-76.112.204.109-2010-10-17T05:24:00.000Z-Internet_Postings"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z"><span id="Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z"></span>Why no mention of the killers flash animation?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Why no mention of the killers flash animation?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-134.117.158.83-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?"></span>The one where a character goes around killing people then commiting suicide? It was big news. </p><p>-G <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/134.117.158.83" title="Special:Contributions/134.117.158.83">134.117.158.83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:134.117.158.83" title="User talk:134.117.158.83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-134.117.158.83-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-134.117.158.83-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-134.117.158.83-2007-09-21T04:40:00.000Z-Why_no_mention_of_the_killers_flash_animation?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Move?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move?-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z"><span id="Move.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move?-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z"></span>Move?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move?-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Move?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z-Move?"></span>Why was this moved? The person is separate from the act, Hitler does not redirect to World War 2, Jeff's page should remain seperate from the 'Red Lake High School Massacre'. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:195.7.55.146&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:195.7.55.146 (page does not exist)">195.7.55.146</a> 14:32, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>There is not enough content to warrant two pages and they should be combined until such a stage as they can be split. For now the content should not be copy/pasted back to the other page because that violates the GFDL. <a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 15:07, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yes there is. That Jeff's Dad committed suicide warrants mention, but not in <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_massacre" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School massacre">Red Lake High School massacre</a>. it's relevent to <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a>. That His mother is brain damaged, likewise. His delve into Neo-Nazi'ism, his previous fights within the school. His Grandfathers apparent new Romance..</dd> <dd>These are this which are not relevent to the <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_massacre" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School massacre">Red Lake High School massacre</a>, but are very relevent to <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a>. I'm not goning to Break the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">3RR</a> though. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Irishpunktom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Irishpunktom (page does not exist)">Irishpunktom</a>\<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Irishpunktom" title="User talk:Irishpunktom">talk</a></sup> 15:19, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Where's the point in having many different pages about the same incident? Neither Jeff Weise nor the school are/were itself notable if not for the massacre, so it seems logical to me that we create an article about the massacre and put every information there. --<a href="/wiki/User:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ContiE">Conti</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ContiE">✉</a> 15:23, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I concur. There's no point in having separate articles for the incident and the perpetrator. It is far more efficient to dedicate a subsection of this article to Weise (and in it mention the troubles of his life, without mixing it with the account of the shootings themselves). <a href="/wiki/User:Redux" title="User:Redux">Redux</a> 17:17, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I also concur. <a href="/wiki/Gary_Ridgway" title="Gary Ridgway">Gary Ridgway</a> and the Green River Killings are on the same page, buy Gary Ridgway would not be otherwise notable. I think in the name of consistency, if Jeff Weise is not otherwise notable, he should remain on the same page as the massacre. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jwinters" title="User:Jwinters">Jwinters</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jwinters" title="User talk:Jwinters">Talk</a> 17:23, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The same thing also applies for the school, which was again made an article. Maybe we should hold a vote on this? Attempts to merge the articles were reverted so far. --<a href="/wiki/User:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ContiE">Conti</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ContiE">✉</a> 17:29, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>An article for the school? Not again. The school is not notable unless in connection with this incident. As for articles about schools (high schools, middle schools, etc.), it's been discussed to the death: they are not notable enough. Should we decide to hold a vote for this particular instance, mine is to <b>merge</b> everything we have into this article. I wonder if this talk page would be the appropriate forum though, since other articles would be concerned. We don't want people complaining that they didn't get a chance to vote because they were unaware of it. We could hold the vote here, however, provided we post a notice on the talk pages of all the other articles that would be affected by the outcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Redux" title="User:Redux">Redux</a> 18:41, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>And it will continue to be debated until the deletionists give up. The number of school articles must be well into four figures now and most half decent articles survive deletionist attacks. <a href="/wiki/User:Pcpcpc" title="User:Pcpcpc">Wincoote</a> 23:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In this particular case, no one is talking about deleting the information, just centralizing it in one article. I see this topic has raised some passions. Now I really must support Conti's idea of puting the subject to a vote. <i>If</i> the vote takes place and (if) a consensus is reached to merge the articles, they will have to be merged. It looks like that's the best way to settle this. <a href="/wiki/User:Redux" title="User:Redux">Redux</a> 03:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>I agree with the people that say the items should be separate. The school and the shooter(and his background) dont go in the same page. If there's a vote I vote to separate them. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Quickkid1992&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Quickkid1992 (page does not exist)">Quickkid1992</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quickkid1992&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Quickkid1992 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z-Move?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)</a> Cite sources?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:195.7.55.146&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:195.7.55.146 (page does not exist)">195.7.55.146</a> 12:26, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z-Move?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:02:00.000Z-Move?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wiese_or_Weise" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wiese_or_Weise"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wiese_or_Weise"></span>Wiese or Weise<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wiese_or_Weise"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Wiese or Weise"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I've seen several spellings of Weise, rather than Wiese, the most noteable on his posting to the nationalist messageboards[<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:Dlr86foA5hcJ:www.nazi.org/current/forum/YaBB.cgi%3Fboard%3Dnativeamerican%3Baction%3Dprint%3Bnum%3D1079672948+%22Jeff+Weise%22+socialist&hl=en">[1]</a>]. Does anyone know which is correct?--<a href="/wiki/User:Brendanfox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Brendanfox">Brendanfox</a> 13:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I just came here to say the same thing as you. Unless he deliberately misspelled it on that forum its unlikely that it is actually Wiese. I would favor changing it. — <a href="/wiki/User:Trilobite" title="User:Trilobite">Trilobite</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trilobite" title="User talk:Trilobite">(Talk)</a> 14:44, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p><br /> the least someone could do is actually spell his name consistently throughout this article. I mean jumping from Weise to Weiss?? That's professional. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shooter's_age" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shooter's_age"><span id="Shooter.27s_age"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shooter's_age"></span>Shooter's age<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shooter's_age"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Shooter's age"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>AP news reports age as 17 not 15. Changed on Page --<a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 19:57, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Local news media in Minnesota and Yahoo.com <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting">[2]</a> have reported that Jeff Weise was 17 years of age, not 15. --<a href="/wiki/User:EisenKnoechel" title="User:EisenKnoechel">EisenKnoechel</a> 14:27, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Yahoo.com <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting_30">[3]</a> is now reporting that Jeff Weise was anywhere between 15 and 17 years of age. --<a href="/wiki/User:EisenKnoechel" title="User:EisenKnoechel">EisenKnoechel</a> 14:55, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p><p>The Christian Science Monitor <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0323/p01s01-ussc.html">[4]</a> is reporting that Jeff Weise was 16 years old of age. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pjv_b&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pjv b (page does not exist)">pjv_b</a> 23:12, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apparently_a_Goth" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apparently_a_Goth"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apparently_a_Goth"></span>Apparently a Goth<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apparently_a_Goth"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Apparently a Goth"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Is it certain that he was a Goth? It's just that the same thing got said about <a href="/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold" title="Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold">Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold</a> and it turned out they weren't. </p> <dl><dd>If he's a Goth, where was he when they sacked Rome?</dd></dl> <p>I think the media applies the "Goth" label more widely than would the people they label. We really shouldn't assert that he was a Goth unless we have a quote where he self-identifies, or perhaps from someone close to him. Until then, let's make it clear who is calling him a Goth. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cprompt" title="User:Cprompt">cprompt</a> 16:42, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I'm tired of the media singling out people.</dd></dl> <p>First off, it seems like the media likes to make it appear that every outsider who ends out shooting up the school is a goth kid. Having an unpleasant high school experience myself, the accusations that Goth culture was the motive behind every random act of violence by a white middle-class suburbia teenager are missleading and bias. It is like blaming an Arab person for terrorism. Soon it will be revealed that yes this kid was just another scumbag.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bushido_Hacks" title="User:Bushido Hacks">Bushido Hacks</a> 17:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Really? I don't remember any of the Minnesota News agencies reporting him as a goth. It's probably the students at the school who named him a goth. Maybe you should look at the profile of a school shooter, I'll bold the ones that Jeff Weise and this crime have exihibited so far: </p> <ul><li><b>AGE - 6-18 years-old. (Most are between 14 and 15-years-old.)</b></li> <li><b>GENDER - Male.</b></li> <li>RACE - Almost always White.</li> <li>IQ - Above average.</li> <li><b>SOCIAL - Isolated--a loner with few friends.</b></li> <li><b>MOTIVE - To punish those who bullied, tautned, rejected or shamed.</b></li> <li><b>PRECUSOR - Threat of violence-all said what they were going to do prior to act.</b></li> <li><b>PERSONALITY - Angry, full of hate, depressed, nerd, weird sense of humor.</b></li> <li><b>SPECIAL INTEREST - Guns, violent themes (movies, video games, websites, music)</b></li> <li><b>HISTORY - Cruelty to animals. Slight interest in gangs, occult & white supremacy groups.</b></li> <li>CRIMINAL HISTORY - Usually none.</li> <li>FAMILY HISTORY - 55% parents intact, 45% divorced.</li> <li>TRIGGER EVENT - Romantic rejection, fear of poor grades.</li> <li><b>LOCATION - Rural or suburban schools.</b></li> <li><b>AFFILIATION - Enrolled student, not a stranger at the school</b></li> <li><b>PREDICATABILITY - High (leaves many clues).</b></li> <li><b>WEAPONS - Semi-automatc handguns</b></li> <li>LOCATION - Where students gather.</li> <li>PLANNING - Always planned.</li> <li>VICTIMS - Victims always targeted (females common).</li> <li><b>TIME - Over half happened in the middle of the day.</b></li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:EisenKnoechel" title="User:EisenKnoechel">EisenKnoechel</a> 18:10, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Move Weise from Victims to Suspect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Move Weise from Victims to Suspect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect"></span>Issue: move Weise from the Victims List to the Suspect List.</li> <li>Reason(s): make the outline more like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre">"Columbine"</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>not actually a victim (society doesn't count)</dd></dl> <ul><li>Additional Thoughts: Renaming of Suspect to Shooter as more information is confirmed.</li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 20:02, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p> <ul><li><b>Support</b>:Weise should be deleted from Victims/Killed list. He is already listed in Perpetrator section and he committed suicide. <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleBlue" title="User:DoubleBlue">DoubleBlue</a> 16:26, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>Support. He is no victim. --<a href="/wiki/User:Golbez" title="User:Golbez">Golbez</a> 22:23, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)</li></ul> <p>Non-support!-He was a victim. Almost all shooters in school shootings like this are mentally unstable and not really aware of what is taking place. Meaning he isn't right in the head. He should stay on the victims list because he was also a victim of himself. He still died which is another life lost no matter what he did! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Quickkid1992&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Quickkid1992 (page does not exist)">Quickkid1992</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quickkid1992&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Quickkid1992 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quickkid1992-2009-04-27T00:08:00.000Z-Move_Weise_from_Victims_to_Suspect"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Grandmother_or_Grandfathers_wife" data-mw-thread-id="h-Grandmother_or_Grandfathers_wife"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Grandmother_or_Grandfathers_wife"></span>Grandmother or Grandfathers wife<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Grandmother_or_Grandfathers_wife"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Grandmother or Grandfathers wife"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Is the victim Weise's Grandmother or his Grandfather's Wife? --<a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 20:06, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>Both, I think. And that makes it only one...silly joke about morbid stuff ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:OleMaster" title="User:OleMaster">OleMurder</a> 15:04, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>Michelle Sigana was the girlfriend (common-law wife?) of Daryl Lussier. She is not Weise's birth grandmother.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_use" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_use-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_use-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z"></span>Article use<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_use-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Article use"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p>There are three related articles that have seen edit wars, moves and duplications: <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School">Red Lake High School</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a> and <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_massacre" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School massacre">Red Lake High School massacre</a>. There are currently two main opinions: </p> <ol><li>Information about the shooter (Jeff Weise) should be in his article, details of the shooting at this one and information about the school at the Red Lake High School article.</li> <li>The massacre is the only thing that makes Jeff Weise and the school notable and they would be deleted had this tragedy not happened - all the details should be in this article (with the others redirecting here) to avoid duplication and spreading the information out too thinly.</li></ol> <p><s>Please vote for which of the articles you think should exist in their own right:</s> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Red_Lake_High_School" data-mw-thread-id="h-Red_Lake_High_School-Article_use"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Red_Lake_High_School-Article_use"></span><a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School">Red Lake High School</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Red_Lake_High_School-Article_use"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Red Lake High School"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i><b>Poll closed</b></i> </p><p><b>Should exist:</b> </p> <ol><li>--<a href="/wiki/User:EisenKnoechel" title="User:EisenKnoechel">EisenKnoechel</a> 21:08, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Saopaulo1" title="User:Saopaulo1">Saopaulo1</a> 22:28, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pjv_b&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pjv b (page does not exist)">pjv_b</a> 23:12, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Pcpcpc" title="User:Pcpcpc">Wincoote</a> 23:51, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) Like any other school article, it needs a chance to develop.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Seth_Ilys" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Seth Ilys">Seth Ilys</a> 13:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC). Like all high schools, it should merit its own article without any dramatic events or major news coverage.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Lochaber" title="User:Lochaber">Lochaber</a> 13:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Rmhermen" title="User:Rmhermen">Rmhermen</a> 15:52, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC) as with Columbine</li></ol> <p><b>Details should be merged to this page:</b> </p> <ol><li><a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 20:37, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Nickptar" title="User:Nickptar">Nickptar</a> 21:08, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Preisler" title="User:Preisler">Preisler</a> 21:26, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Dcoetzee" title="User:Dcoetzee">Deco</a> 21:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Ghepeu" title="User:Ghepeu">GhePeU</a> 21:33, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Specialkay985" title="User:Specialkay985">Special Kay</a> 21:39, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Edcolins" title="User:Edcolins">Edcolins</a> 22:04, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>—<a href="/wiki/User:Korath" title="User:Korath">Korath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Korath" title="User talk:Korath">Talk</a>) 22:17, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 22:51, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Zellin" title="User:Zellin">Zellin</a> 00:58, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Redux" title="User:Redux">Redux</a> 03:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ContiE">Conti</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ContiE">✉</a> 12:10, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Jeff_Weise" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jeff_Weise-Article_use"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jeff_Weise-Article_use"></span><a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jeff_Weise-Article_use"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Jeff Weise"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i><b>Poll closed</b></i> </p><p><b>Should exist:</b> </p> <ol><li>--<a href="/wiki/User:EisenKnoechel" title="User:EisenKnoechel">EisenKnoechel</a> 21:08, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Ghepeu" title="User:Ghepeu">GhePeU</a> 21:30, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Specialkay985" title="User:Specialkay985">Special Kay</a> 21:38, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Saopaulo1" title="User:Saopaulo1">Saopaulo1</a> 22:28, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pjv_b&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pjv b (page does not exist)">pjv_b</a> 23:12, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Pcpcpc" title="User:Pcpcpc">Wincoote</a> 23:52, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Tydaj" title="User:Tydaj">Tydaj</a> 00:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Zellin" title="User:Zellin">Zellin</a> 00:59, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Irishpunktom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Irishpunktom (page does not exist)">Irishpunktom</a>\<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Irishpunktom" title="User talk:Irishpunktom">talk</a></sup> 10:55, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Seth_Ilys" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Seth Ilys">Seth Ilys</a> 13:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>--<a href="/wiki/User:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ContiE">Conti</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ContiE">✉</a> 12:10, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Lochaber" title="User:Lochaber">Lochaber</a> 13:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Rmhermen" title="User:Rmhermen">Rmhermen</a> 15:52, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li></ol> <p><b>Details should be merged to this page:</b> </p> <ol><li><a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 20:37, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Nickptar" title="User:Nickptar">Nickptar</a> 21:08, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Preisler" title="User:Preisler">Preisler</a> 21:26, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Dcoetzee" title="User:Dcoetzee">Deco</a> 21:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Edcolins" title="User:Edcolins">Edcolins</a> 22:04, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 22:49, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Redux" title="User:Redux">Redux</a> 03:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>Noticing that <a href="/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold" title="Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold">Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold</a> exists, I'm fine with both. --<a href="/wiki/User:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ContiE">Conti</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ContiE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ContiE">✉</a> 12:10, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-Article_use"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments-Article_use"></span>Comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments-Article_use"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I concur with the comments above. Neither the person nor the school is currently sufficiently notable outside of this incident, or we might have actually heard of them the day before yesterday. The school is somewhat unusual, being on an Indian reservation, but isn't sufficiently more important than the many other reservation high schools — how many of those are there? <a href="/wiki/User:Dcoetzee" title="User:Dcoetzee">Deco</a> 21:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p><p>There is <a href="/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold" title="Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold">Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold</a> so I think that keeping <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a> isn't a problem. I agree on removing <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School">Red Lake High School</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghepeu" title="User:Ghepeu">GhePeU</a> 21:32, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold" title="Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold">Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold</a> has significantly more information than <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a>. While there is a case for leaving <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a> in its present state and allowing expansion, and I'm on the fence here, I think it would be better to merge and redirect, and move the info on Jeff back out if it's significantly added to.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Nickptar" title="User:Nickptar">Nickptar</a> 22:46, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 23:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) unless this develops into a super-event or as the basis for Federal/State Programs (example <a href="/wiki/AMBER_Alert" class="mw-redirect" title="AMBER Alert">AMBER Alert</a> ->requires-> <a href="/wiki/Amber_Hagerman" class="mw-redirect" title="Amber Hagerman">Amber Hagerman</a> ) I see no reason for seperate items.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>In which case, time will tell. As we find out more about his background, a seperate article about his background will probably become more warrented.--<a href="/wiki/User:Tydaj" title="User:Tydaj">Tydaj</a> 00:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pjv_b&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pjv b (page does not exist)">pjv_b</a> 19:12, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) If we delete Red Lake High School we, as wikipedian, should eliminate Columbine High School article. They are both schools, and in both happened practically the same thing, they should stay like that. The next option, would be, make an article like <a href="/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre" title="Columbine High School massacre">Columbine High School massacre</a>, but it would be called <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_massacre" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School massacre">Red Lake High School massacre</a>. We can`t eliminate Jeff Weise article, because he was the killer, as <a href="/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold" title="Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold">Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold</a> did. Or, at least, we can combine Jeff Weise article with the Red Lake High School, but the same would happen with Columbine High School article. </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 00:01, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) Not all events are equal. Likewise all events do not require the same division of entires. <a href="/wiki/Columbine" class="mw-disambig" title="Columbine">Columbine</a> was a major event that had resounding consquences through out the nation (Divisions: <a href="/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre" title="Columbine High School massacre">Columbine High School massacre</a>,<a href="/wiki/Columbine_High_School" title="Columbine High School">Columbine High School</a>,<a href="/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold" title="Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold">Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold</a>). The <a href="/wiki/Kent_State_shootings" title="Kent State shootings">Kent State shootings</a> had a similar impact (Divisions: <a href="/wiki/Kent_State" class="mw-redirect" title="Kent State">Kent State</a> , <a href="/wiki/Kent_State_shootings" title="Kent State shootings">Kent State shootings</a>). The <a href="/w/index.php?title=Jackson_State_University_shooting&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Jackson State University shooting (page does not exist)">Jackson State University shooting</a> (a similar event that occured around the same time) was not and does not even have an entry(Divisions: <a href="/wiki/Jackson_State_University" title="Jackson State University">Jackson State University</a> , <a href="/w/index.php?title=Jackson_State_University_Shootings&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Jackson State University Shootings (page does not exist)">Jackson State University Shootings</a>). If the <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_massacre" class="mw-redirect" title="Red Lake High School massacre">Red Lake High School massacre</a> does not become a lasting event there is not a good reason for the division of entries.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Would it not, then, be more prudent to wait and see what develops before merging articles? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tydaj" title="User:Tydaj">Tydaj</a> 00:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Maybe we should wait a few days, but if there is substantially more information after the merge it'd be easy to pull the merged information back out. <a href="/wiki/User:Nickptar" title="User:Nickptar">Nickptar</a> 03:32, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It would've been prudent to wait before <i>splitting</i> the articles, but that was done. <a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 08:34, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>You have a good point there MitreBox --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pjv_b&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pjv b (page does not exist)">pjv_b</a> 01:50, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p><p>It is far too early to delete or merge these articles. Besides maybe <a href="/w/index.php?title=Jackson_State_University_Shooting&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Jackson State University Shooting (page does not exist)">Jackson State University Shooting</a> should have an article, it may not be in the national psyche but it sounds like it was a pretty notable event. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/1660/Killings_at_Jackson_State_University">see external article</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Lochaber" title="User:Lochaber">Lochaber</a> 13:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Decision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Decision-Article_use-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Decision-Article_use-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z"></span>Decision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Decision-Article_use-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Decision"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AcademyAnna-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z-Decision"></span>I think the current organisation of the articles is working out well. We should try to minimise duplication between this and <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Weise" class="mw-redirect" title="Jeff Weise">Jeff Weise</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 18:55, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Adding and changing some facts in the victim(s)/perpetrator section because making some things the same, like having all of the individuals' middle names and some of the ages are off. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AcademyAnna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AcademyAnna (page does not exist)">AcademyAnna</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AcademyAnna" title="User talk:AcademyAnna">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-AcademyAnna-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z-Decision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 13 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AcademyAnna-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z-Decision"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AcademyAnna-2017-05-13T08:29:00.000Z-Decision"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Angel_of_Death" data-mw-thread-id="h-Angel_of_Death"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Angel_of_Death"></span>Angel of Death<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Angel_of_Death"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Angel of Death"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Perhaps he had an idea of <a href="/wiki/Josef_Mengele" title="Josef Mengele">Josef Mengele</a> AKA "<i>Angel of Death</i>" when he gave himself a name, "Angel of Death" anyone verify that? hard to prove though <a href="/wiki/User:Water_Bottle" title="User:Water Bottle">WB</a> 01:17, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC) </p><p>He used "Angel of Death" as a nickname in a forum on the website www.Nazi.org --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pjv_b&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pjv b (page does not exist)">pjv_b</a> 01:12, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I know, so maybe a mention that it might have came from <a href="/wiki/Josef_Mengele" title="Josef Mengele">Josef Mengele</a>'s name. Maybe his killings? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Water_Bottle" title="User:Water Bottle">WB</a> 02:35, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Probably from the Slayer song, or some other song. Black Sabbath in "Psycho Man" is less likely. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Related?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Related?"><span id="Related.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Related?"></span>Related?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Related?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Related?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Is one of the slain students related to the shooter? There's a fifteen-year-old on the list with the same last name as the shooter's grandfather (Lussier). So the options would be: they are related; it's a coincidence (I doubt it); our information is wrong. In any case, something should be done. If they are related or if that's just a coincidence, we should make a note of either case. If the article is wrong, we obviously need to get the right name for that victim. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Redux" title="User:Redux">Redux</a> 03:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Well, I have found that names of people on Indian Reservations are normally used for different families. </p><p>Whether or not it should have it's on part, is another questions. --insertusernamehere-- </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="capitalize_the_"M"" data-mw-thread-id="h-capitalize_the_"M""><span id="capitalize_the_.22M.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-capitalize_the_"M""></span>capitalize the "M"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-capitalize_the_"M""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: capitalize the "M""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>this must be done, at all costs! </p><p>Actually, I find the use of the term rather ironic, given US history </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="On_the_topic_of_"Goth"" data-mw-thread-id="h-On_the_topic_of_"Goth""><span id="On_the_topic_of_.22Goth.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-On_the_topic_of_"Goth""></span>On the topic of "Goth"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-On_the_topic_of_"Goth""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: On the topic of "Goth""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>You may want to read this... <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/11198353.htm">http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/11198353.htm</a> Says he was indeed goth... </p> <dl><dd><i>"...Weise liked heavy metal music and dressed <b>like a "goth,"</b> with black clothes, chains on his pants and black spiky hair."</i></dd> <dd>Yeah. So, because he wore black clothes and chains, and listened to heavy metal, he's a Goth. Wrong. This is guilt-by-association. The fact that a professional reporter can't distinguish this is a sad commentary on the state of journalism, but doesn't make it a fact. In the mid 80's, when I was a real Goth, the media called these kids "Punks". And there was much todo about them killing themselves because they listened to Metalica. In the late 60's they were "Radicals". Goth is a <a href="/wiki/Code_word_(figure_of_speech)" title="Code word (figure of speech)">code word (figure of speech)</a> to describe today's disaffected youth. Not Jeff Weise.--<a href="/wiki/User:A_ghost" title="User:A ghost">ghost</a> 30 June 2005 13:30 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Miscellany: was <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=7976616">wearing bullet-proof vest</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_083075538.html">taking Prozac</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kwantus" title="User:Kwantus">Kwantus</a> 16:37, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Capital_M..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Capital_M..."><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Capital_M..."></span>Capital M...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Capital_M..."></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Capital M..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I took a long time capitalizing to capital "M", why was it reverted? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Water_Bottle" title="User:Water Bottle">WB</a> 23:25, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Two reasons: <ol><li>You should never copy and paste moves because it ruins the edit history of an article (which is very important to keep)</li> <li>There is no reason for it to be capitalised</li></ol></dd> <dd>HTH <a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 23:27, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>Since the redirect page was pre-existing, I could not move... anyway, now I know. I thought it was important to capitalize such events. I guess it doesn't matter so much -- -- <a href="/wiki/User:Water_Bottle" title="User:Water Bottle">WB</a> 00:20, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Wikipedia:Manual of Style</a> is that only <a href="/wiki/Proper_noun" title="Proper noun">proper nouns</a> are capitalised - the school name is therefore in capitals but "massacre" is not. For moves that cannot be done using the normal method you can contact an admin to do it for you - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves</a> is the best place for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> 00:28, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Louis_Jourdain_arrested" data-mw-thread-id="h-Louis_Jourdain_arrested"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Louis_Jourdain_arrested"></span>Louis Jourdain arrested<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Louis_Jourdain_arrested"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Louis Jourdain arrested"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=2&u=/ap/20050329/ap_on_re_us/school_shootings_9">[5]</a>Should this information be included into this article at this time? --<a href="/wiki/User:EisenKnoechel" title="User:EisenKnoechel">EisenKnoechel</a> 17:48, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC) </p> <ul><li>Yes - even if the charges are never filed or later dropped its a relevent development --<a href="/wiki/User:Mitrebox" title="User:Mitrebox">Mitrebox</a> 06:48, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Extraneous_bits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Extraneous_bits"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Extraneous_bits"></span>Extraneous bits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Extraneous_bits"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Extraneous bits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I don't see what Bush or Schiavo has to do with this article. I'm taking out the paragraph.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AllanBz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AllanBz (page does not exist)">AllanBz</a> 21:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Text removed: </p> <dl><dd><i><a href="/wiki/President_of_the_United_States" title="President of the United States">President</a> <a href="/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush">George W. Bush</a> was criticized for not providing an immediate reaction to the shootings as <a href="/wiki/Bill_Clinton" title="Bill Clinton">Bill Clinton</a> had done earlier for the Columbine slayings. Some were particularly disgruntled because earlier the same day, Bush had returned from his <a href="/wiki/Crawford,_Texas" title="Crawford, Texas">Crawford, Texas</a> ranch to the <a href="/wiki/White_House" title="White House">White House</a> to sign legislation aimed at keeping <a href="/wiki/Terri_Schiavo" class="mw-redirect" title="Terri Schiavo">Terri Schiavo</a> alive.</i></dd></dl> <p>I disagree with that the administration's respose was irrelevant to the article. However, reinserting it as is seems to interrupt the flow of the article. So I added the a <a href="/wiki/Washington_Post" class="mw-redirect" title="Washington Post">Washington Post</a> article discussing the issue in References. Some relevant quotes: </p> <dl><dd><i>"The fact that Bush preempted his vacation to say something about Ms. Schiavo and here you have 10 native people gunned down and he can't take time to speak is very telling," said David Wilkins, interim chairman of the Department of American Indian Studies at the University of Minnesota and a member of the North Carolina-based Lumbee tribe.</i><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64317-2005Mar24.html">[6]</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><i>Mr. Bush talked to Floyd Jourdain Jr., chairman of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa, for five minutes Friday morning, offering his sympathy for the victims of a teen-ager's shooting rampage and the entire Red Lake community and pledging to provide federal assistance, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.</i><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/25/politics/main683224.shtml">[7]</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><i>Mr (Clyde) Bellecourt pointed out that Mr. Bush broke off his holiday to sign emergency legislation on Monday concerning the case of a brain-damaged woman, but did not comment then on the Minnesota deaths.</i><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4386653.stm">[8]</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CCHR_link_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-CCHR_link_removed"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CCHR_link_removed"></span>CCHR link removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CCHR_link_removed"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: CCHR link removed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I removed the following from references: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cchr.org/press/2005/050323.htm">(CCHR) RED LAKE MINNESOTA - Psychiatric Terror: Another school shooter on psychiatric drugs resulting in 29 dead and 62 wounded...</a></li></ul> <p>CCHR is a front group for Scientology and I don't think their contention that flies cause garbage is germane to this article. Also the contributor, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.248.150.251" title="Special:Contributions/83.248.150.251">83.248.150.251</a>, made the same edit to several other pages in a way that was clearly vandalism. For example, he added it to the top of the article on psychiatry. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bgeer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bgeer (page does not exist)">Bgeer</a> 5 July 2005 23:46 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>We really need a statement in the article that he was taking the drugs, though. If that's all we can find, then that should be put in there, Scientologists or not. --<a href="/wiki/User:Golbez" title="User:Golbez">Golbez</a> July 6, 2005 00:09 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_little_dramatic,_huh?" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_little_dramatic,_huh?-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z"><span id="A_little_dramatic.2C_huh.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_little_dramatic,_huh?-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z"></span>A little dramatic, huh?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_little_dramatic,_huh?-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: A little dramatic, huh?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <blockquote> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z-A_little_dramatic,_huh?"></span>The friend ducked and then, as the article states "felt something warm and wet coating her jeans." It was Lussier's blood.</i> </p> </blockquote> <p>Seems a little dramatic t'me -- not taking it out, just saying, MHO. --Jack (<a href="/wiki/User:Cuervo" title="User:Cuervo">Cuervo</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z-A_little_dramatic,_huh?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 18 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z-A_little_dramatic,_huh?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z-A_little_dramatic,_huh?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Heather-2006-02-23T17:40:00.000Z-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z"></span>I thought the same thing when I read it. I'll go edit it slightly now, just enough so that it doesn't read like something out of an adventure story. <a href="/wiki/User:Heather" title="User:Heather">Heather</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Heather-2006-02-23T17:40:00.000Z-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Heather-2006-02-23T17:40:00.000Z-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Heather-2006-02-23T17:40:00.000Z-Cuervo-2005-09-18T03:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Link_Removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Link_Removed-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Link_Removed-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z"></span>Link Removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Link_Removed-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Link Removed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.240.197.234-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z-Link_Removed"></span>Just as a note, the link to the forum pages is gone. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:70.240.197.234&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:70.240.197.234 (page does not exist)">70.240.197.234</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-70.240.197.234-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z-Link_Removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.240.197.234-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z-Link_Removed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.240.197.234-2006-02-17T14:19:00.000Z-Link_Removed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPOV" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPOV-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPOV-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z"></span>NPOV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPOV-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: NPOV"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mealstrom-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z-NPOV"></span>I'm changing the Chase Lussier paragraph. The phrase "foolishly wasted himself for this girl" is nowhere near NPOV.(And it's pretty damn insulting too.)<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mealstrom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mealstrom (page does not exist)">Mealstrom</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Mealstrom-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z-NPOV" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mealstrom-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z-NPOV"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mealstrom-2006-06-24T08:14:00.000Z-NPOV"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trivia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trivia?"><span id="Trivia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trivia?"></span>Trivia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trivia?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Trivia?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Should the article really group aftermath and trivia together? Furthermore, I think that the word "trivia" is too glib or upbeat for an article about a tragedy. It seems disrespectful, although perhaps Wikipedia's regulations state that trivia is the proper title. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prozac" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prozac"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prozac"></span>Prozac<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prozac"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Prozac"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>What is common regarding people who use SSRI drugs like prozac is that no blood or tissue levels are taken. There is a wide range of elimination rates for these drugs, so the fact that most people are not violent while taking them does not address the variance in blood levels that exists in the population. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z"></span>Fair use rationale for Image:Red Lake High School-aerial color.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Fair use rationale for Image:Red Lake High School-aerial color.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BetacommandBot-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/70px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="70" height="58" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/105px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/140px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Red Lake High School-aerial color.jpg (page does not exist)">Image:Red Lake High School-aerial color.jpg</a></b> is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use">fair use</a> but there is no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use_rationale_guideline" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline">explanation or rationale</a> as to why its use in <b>this</b> Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. 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Thank you. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:BetacommandBot" title="User:BetacommandBot">BetacommandBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BetacommandBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BetacommandBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-BetacommandBot-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BetacommandBot-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BetacommandBot-2008-01-21T08:41:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Red_Lake_High_School-aerial_color.jpg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure" data-mw-thread-id="h-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z"></span>incorrect tense use and awkward sentence structure<span data-mw-comment-end="h-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: incorrect tense use and awkward sentence structure"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure"></span>typo had occurred in the sentence that cites article one. The student was not asked whether he believed in god after being shot but rather before. Or at least that's what it states in the cited article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mawzsr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mawzsr (page does not exist)">Mawzsr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mawzsr" title="User talk:Mawzsr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)</a>mawzsr<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T08:55:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T09:06:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure"></span>Brief shoot-out with police </p><p>FBI special agent Paul McCabe stated that at some point, Weise returned to the entrance where he had opened fire and engaged in a brief shoot-out with the police, which ended when he retreated to the classroom having been wounded in the hip and leg by at least two bullets.[2] None of the officers were hit.[1] </p><p>These two sentaces are very awkward perhaps this would run better. </p><p>Brief shoot-out with police </p><p>FBI special agent Paul McCabe stated that at some point, Weise returned to the entrance where he had opened fire and engaged in a brief shoot-out with the police. He retreated to the classroom having been wounded in the hip and leg by at least two bullets.[2] None of the officers were hit.[1] </p><p>Is the previous better than the current form or are we going to leave it be... <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mawzsr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mawzsr (page does not exist)">Mawzsr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mawzsr" title="User talk:Mawzsr">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mawzsr" title="Special:Contributions/Mawzsr">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T09:06:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T09:06:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mawzsr-2008-10-05T09:06:00.000Z-incorrect_tense_use_and_awkward_sentence_structure"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reloading" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reloading-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reloading-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z"></span>Reloading<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reloading-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Reloading"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpartanLegends-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z-Reloading"></span>I ascertained through second-hand information, that is from an associate of one of the teachers in the mentioned English classroom, that when a student attempted to disarm/take down the perpetrator it had been after he was reloading. According to the information I was given, when asked the question relating to a belief in God, the teacher's answer resulted in the perpetrator pulling the trigger, however the firearm was out of ammunition. I was also informed that this teacher was used at the morgue to identify students before the families and has since not worked in a classroom out of distress. Also, this teacher has since appeared on a nightly news show, perhaps 20/20, and discussed this information. </p><p>Can anyone track this down? I forgot the name of the teacher in question and have not been able to track down any nightly news show reports on this shooting, and I believe the information is factually relevant to the incident. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SpartanLegends&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SpartanLegends (page does not exist)">SpartanLegends</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpartanLegends&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:SpartanLegends (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-SpartanLegends-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z-Reloading" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpartanLegends-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z-Reloading"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpartanLegends-2011-09-28T21:23:00.000Z-Reloading"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Background" data-mw-thread-id="h-Background-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Background-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z"></span>Background<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Background-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Background"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parkwells-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z-Background"></span>It seems odd that this article has so little content about the living conditions at the reservation: the poverty, high rate of unemployment, limited jobs, high rate of suicide and violence, and other factors that were part of the world for all children. Needs to be added. Weise did not live in isolation but, by his father's suicide and loss of his mother, carried a higher risk of committing suicide.<a href="/wiki/User:Parkwells" title="User:Parkwells">Parkwells</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parkwells" title="User talk:Parkwells">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Parkwells-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z-Background" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parkwells-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z-Background"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parkwells-2012-12-19T15:43:00.000Z-Background"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chippewa_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chippewa_language-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chippewa_language-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z"></span>Chippewa language<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chippewa_language-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Chippewa language"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhisperToMe-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z-Chippewa_language"></span>If/when Wikipedia gets a Chippewa language edition (Chippewa is spoken in Red Lake), make sure it has an article on this massacre. <a href="/wiki/User:WhisperToMe" title="User:WhisperToMe">WhisperToMe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhisperToMe" title="User talk:WhisperToMe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-WhisperToMe-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z-Chippewa_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhisperToMe-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z-Chippewa_language"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhisperToMe-2012-12-26T03:17:00.000Z-Chippewa_language"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-14T22:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-14T22:10:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-14T22:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-14T22:10:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/Red_Lake_shootings" title="Red Lake shootings">Red Lake shootings</a>. 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Peer reviewers: <a href="/wiki/User:Sawadoky" title="User:Sawadoky">Sawadoky</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ucblueashmorgan" title="User:Ucblueashmorgan">Ucblueashmorgan</a>. </p><p><span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by <a href="/wiki/User:RuthBenander" title="User:RuthBenander">RuthBenander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RuthBenander" title="User talk:RuthBenander">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-RuthBenander-20230928124600-Wiki_Education_assignment:_First_Year_English_Composition_1001" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RuthBenander-20230928124600-Wiki_Education_assignment:_First_Year_English_Composition_1001"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RuthBenander-20230928124600-Wiki_Education_assignment:_First_Year_English_Composition_1001"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_proposal-20240130235600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_proposal-20240130235600"></span>Merge proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_proposal-20240130235600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Merge proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600-Merge_proposal"></span>As was raised on the talk page of <a href="/wiki/Talk:Jeff_Weise" title="Talk:Jeff Weise">Talk:Jeff Weise</a>. Neither article is of a high enough quality or length to warrant a size or content split to keep this article from getting overbearing, Weise's personal life is of direct note to this attack (making this article worse off for not having the content in it) and it is a relatively obscure shooting with little public interest in the modern day. </p><p>This was the subject of an apparently massive 2005 edit war (see above discussion under 'Article use'), however this was nearly 20 years ago. Hypothetically if this ever gets to FA status maybe it will be warranted to split again, but in the state these pages are in now it is a benefit. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600-Merge_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600-Merge_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600-Merge_proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elizzaflanagan221-20240131141200-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"></span>Support</b> - Notable shooting but unnotable shooter. article isnt long and should be merged.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Elizzaflanagan221" title="User:Elizzaflanagan221">Elizzaflanagan221</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elizzaflanagan221" title="User talk:Elizzaflanagan221">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Elizzaflanagan221-20240131141200-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elizzaflanagan221-20240131141200-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elizzaflanagan221-20240131141200-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240131212600-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"></span>Unrelated but I should also add later sources, because basically all the ones in this article are from 2005, when there <i>are</i> way more. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240131212600-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240131212600-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240131212600-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240205014000-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"></span>did the merge <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240205014000-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240205014000-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240205014000-PARAKANYAA-20240130235600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_additions" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_additions-20240302162500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_additions-20240302162500"></span>New additions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_additions-20240302162500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: New additions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500-New_additions"></span>These additions are massively overdetailed, and possibly a copyvio issue (the phone call transcript belongs to the state/reservation, we cannot just include it wholesale). Also we can't firmly state his motive because the sources do not state his motive. <i>Also</i>, they revert several past changes to this page. Calling it an "anti-Christian" shooting would require far better sourcing, and it's sourced to nothing. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500-New_additions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500-New_additions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500-New_additions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302163600-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500"></span>Oops, just noticed you fixed the motive before I reverted. That's better sorry. Still don't think there's enough sourcing to call it revenge, either, plus the above issues. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240302163600-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302163600-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302163600-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-History406-20240302164200-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500"></span>Sorry for the confusion! :) I didn't know that the 911 calls were property of the Minnesota/Red Lake Indian Reservation. I just saw them stated in the FBI report and thought that they would provide helpful information to the article. I can remove them. I do think that the other information on the page that I changed did make the article more accurate. For example, the original form stated that two students were killed near the main entrance, when the FBI report clearly states that all victims were in Missy Dodd's study all, excluding the security officer. I did also want to include the fact that religious people did seem to be targeted, though that was not really Weise's motive, rather he was just mimicking what allegedly happened at Columbine. We do know that those who answered "no" to the "Do you believe in God?" question escaped without injury.</dd> <dd>I will remove the 911 calls from the article.</dd> <dd>~ <a href="/wiki/User:History406" title="User:History406">History406</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:History406" title="User talk:History406">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-History406-20240302164200-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-History406-20240302164200-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-History406-20240302164200-PARAKANYAA-20240302162500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302172400-History406-20240302164200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:History406" title="User:History406">History406</a> That's better than before (though I had to re-add the citation changes I made). The other changes you added were improvements, largely. So that's fine. I did remove the sort of listing of the worst ones in the lead because there are non-American high school shootings that are deadlier (<a href="/wiki/Kerch_Polytechnic_College_massacre" title="Kerch Polytechnic College massacre">Kerch</a>, to name one) and also not sure if that's relevant-to-lead material. Generally, wounded victims are not listed (adding victim lists at all is already contentious). <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240302172400-History406-20240302164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302172400-History406-20240302164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302172400-History406-20240302164200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302173000-History406-20240302164200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:History406" title="User:History406">History406</a> also going forward, when you're citing the FBI report, could you cite page numbers, using the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rp" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Rp">rp</a>}}</code> template? makes it easier to verify <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240302173000-History406-20240302164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302173000-History406-20240302164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240302173000-History406-20240302164200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Horrorcore/rap" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Horrorcore/rap-20240519220800"><span id="Re:_Horrorcore.2Frap"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Horrorcore/rap-20240519220800"></span>Re: Horrorcore/rap<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Horrorcore/rap-20240519220800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Re: Horrorcore/rap"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240519220800-Re:_Horrorcore/rap"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Second_Skin" title="User:Second Skin">Second Skin</a> that is a decent source to warrant its removal so that's fine. I do think it's notable that the media <i>said</i> he was into it, and attempted to cast blame on the genre, so maybe it should be added back as a "the media said it but it probably wasn't true" type thing, at some point? There may be other sources that address this. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240519220800-Re:_Horrorcore/rap" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240519220800-Re:_Horrorcore/rap"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240519220800-Re:_Horrorcore/rap"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up-20240519221100"><span id=".22Horrorcore_controversy.22_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up-20240519221100"></span>"Horrorcore controversy" seems to be entirely made up<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up-20240519221100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: "Horrorcore controversy" seems to be entirely made up"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Second_Skin-20240519221100-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up"></span>I have removed all mentions of Jeff liking horrorcore rap music cuz it seems to be media propaganda that was done entirely to stir up a moral panic. Jeff hated rap music. I really recommend watching 56:56 of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eycpOaW9QPw&t=1s">this YouTube video</a> if you want it nutshelled. But basically here is the evidence: </p> <ol><li>One of his confirmed emails is "fukrap666@hotmail.com"</li> <li>He had made countless posts online condemning those that listen to rap. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/03/22_ap_redlakesuspect/">Source here</a></li> <li>There is not a single shed of evidence thus far he has ever said he liked Mars or Jimmy Donn or whatever, but rather he said he listened to nu metal bands like <a href="/wiki/Korn" title="Korn">Korn</a> or gothic extreme metal stuff like <a href="/wiki/Cradle_of_Filth" title="Cradle of Filth">Cradle of Filth</a> (e.g. he mentioned his favorite music numerous times in his online posts and never once did he mention a rap artist of any kind let alone horrorcore)</li></ol> <p>I would love to see one shed of evidence he ever liked this music besides the media speaking for him that he did, cuz all signs tell that he clearly didn't. The "horrorcore controversy" stuff seems to just be mid-2000s media propaganda. <a href="/wiki/User:Second_Skin" title="User:Second Skin">Second Skin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Second_Skin" title="User talk:Second Skin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Second_Skin-20240519221100-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Second_Skin-20240519221100-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Second_Skin-20240519221100-"Horrorcore_controversy"_seems_to_be_entirely_made_up"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400-Second_Skin-20240519221100"></span>The media says a lot of things, so it very well could be nonsense, I think it should be <i>addressed</i> that they said that whether it's treated as fact or not as it was widely reported. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400-Second_Skin-20240519221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400-Second_Skin-20240519221100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400-Second_Skin-20240519221100"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Second_Skin-20240519222100-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400"></span>I mean yeah maybe it can say "They said this but evidence suggests otherwise" kind of thing, but really the media <i>does</i> definitely lie. This was especially a big problem in the pre-social media days such as when this shooting happened and people didnt have a voice as much as they do now to question whatever Channel 5 says. <a href="/wiki/User:Second_Skin" title="User:Second Skin">Second Skin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Second_Skin" title="User talk:Second Skin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Second_Skin-20240519222100-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Second_Skin-20240519222100-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Second_Skin-20240519222100-PARAKANYAA-20240519221400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reference_to_Columbine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reference_to_Columbine-20240702191200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reference_to_Columbine-20240702191200"></span>Reference to Columbine<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reference_to_Columbine-20240702191200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Reference to Columbine"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wackim59-20240702191200-Reference_to_Columbine"></span>This article reports that the killer was inspired by an exchange between Eric Harris at Columbine and Rachel Scott. This is incorrect, the exchange actually occurred between Dylan Klebold and Valeen Schnurr. COLUMBINE MIRACLE: A MATTER OF BELIEF. (n.d.). <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-10/14/026r-101499-idx.html">https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-10/14/026r-101499-idx.html</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wackim59&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wackim59 (page does not exist)">Wackim59</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wackim59&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Wackim59 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Wackim59-20240702191200-Reference_to_Columbine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wackim59-20240702191200-Reference_to_Columbine"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wackim59-20240702191200-Reference_to_Columbine"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?-20240908010800"><span id="Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?-20240908010800"></span>Should a list of wounded victims be added?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?-20240908010800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Should a list of wounded victims be added?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BadMombo1660-20240908010800-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?"></span>Every once and a while, someone adds a list of wounded victims, and it always gets taken away. I would argue that a list of wounded victims should be added because sources disagree on total number of wounded(ranging from 5 to 9) so a list would be helpful to give a more accurate number. What do y'all think? <a href="/wiki/User:BadMombo1660" title="User:BadMombo1660">BadMombo1660</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BadMombo1660" title="User talk:BadMombo1660">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-BadMombo1660-20240908010800-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BadMombo1660-20240908010800-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BadMombo1660-20240908010800-Should_a_list_of_wounded_victims_be_added?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800-BadMombo1660-20240908010800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BadMombo1660" title="User:BadMombo1660">BadMombo1660</a> I disagree on the grounds of privacy: the wounded people are alive and living their own lives, and unless they have sought to be interviewed long after it occurred they should perhaps not be mentioned, at least in a list like this. Early sources always disagree, I will see if I can find a more definitive total. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800-BadMombo1660-20240908010800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800-BadMombo1660-20240908010800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800-BadMombo1660-20240908010800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BadMombo1660-20240909141300-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800"></span>but if the wounded victims have already been mentioned by name in reports, has their privacy not already been breached? <a href="/wiki/User:BadMombo1660" title="User:BadMombo1660">BadMombo1660</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BadMombo1660" title="User talk:BadMombo1660">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-BadMombo1660-20240909141300-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BadMombo1660-20240909141300-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BadMombo1660-20240909141300-PARAKANYAA-20240908013800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rachel_Scott" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rachel_Scott-20250224213900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rachel_Scott-20250224213900"></span>Rachel Scott<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rachel_Scott-20250224213900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Rachel Scott"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editor3125-20250224213900-Rachel_Scott"></span>The recent edit regarding the alleged "Do you believe in God?" exchange between Eric Harris and Rachel Scott at Columbine High School claimed that the conversation was "debunked." This is untrue. The exchange with Cassie Bernall is the story that was "debunked." Richard Castaldo, the closest living witness to Rachel Scott, initially stated that the one of the gunman (later identified as Eric Harris) asked her if she believed in God. He did not hear her answer, but assumed that she answered in the affirmative, as she was shot in the head following the conversation. Later, Castaldo said that he could not remember the exchange, which led to skepticism as to whether the exchange ever happened, as Cassie's exchange had been disproved. However, it <i>cannot</i> be disproven. Unlike with the Cassie Bernall case, the police never released a statement doubting Eric Harris' "Do you believe in God?" question. In addition, Castaldo was never interviewed by the FBI (he was in critical condition) and as a result, no "life or death question" was included in the official report. We know that Harris said <i>something</i> to Scott before he killed her, as reported by the Denver Post and survivor Mark Taylor, who saw Rachel's death, and it seems that Castaldo's story is the most likely. Early testimonies are also considered more reliable that later, revised editions, so I think it's safe to include this in the article. We'll never know what Scott's answer was, but we cannot say that it was "debunked." It never was. <a href="/wiki/User:Editor3125" title="User:Editor3125">Editor3125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Editor3125" title="User talk:Editor3125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Lake_shootings#c-Editor3125-20250224213900-Rachel_Scott" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editor3125-20250224213900-Rachel_Scott"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editor3125-20250224213900-Rachel_Scott"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&oldid=1277476633">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Lake_shootings&oldid=1277476633</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Crime-related_articles" title="Category:C-Class Crime-related articles">C-Class Crime-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Crime-related_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Crime-related articles">Mid-importance Crime-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Serial_killer-related_articles" title="Category:C-Class Serial killer-related articles">C-Class Serial killer-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Serial_killer-related_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Serial killer-related articles">Mid-importance Serial killer-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Serial_Killer_task_force" title="Category:Serial Killer task force">Serial Killer task force</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Crime_and_Criminal_Biography_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography articles">WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Death_articles" title="Category:C-Class Death articles">C-Class Death articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Death_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Death articles">Mid-importance Death articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America_articles" title="Category:C-Class Indigenous peoples of North America articles">C-Class Indigenous peoples of North America articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Indigenous peoples of North America articles">Low-importance Indigenous peoples of North America articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Anishinaabe_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Anishinaabe articles">WikiProject Anishinaabe articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America articles">WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_school_articles" title="Category:C-Class school articles">C-Class school articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_school_articles" title="Category:High-importance school articles">High-importance school articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Minnesota_articles" title="Category:C-Class Minnesota articles">C-Class Minnesota articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Minnesota_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Minnesota articles">Mid-importance Minnesota articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 February 2025, at 21:39<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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