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min-width:80px;"><span style="display:none;"> </span></td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll\/Part2&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll\/Part2&quot;}--><h2 id="Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll.2FPart2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2" title="Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2">Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2","timestamp":"2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll\/Part2&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll\/Part2&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2"></span>This state's highway naming convention is up for debate above. Feel free to participate. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) </b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z","author":"Rschen7754","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll\/Part2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2006-09-04T05:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-List_format-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format&quot;,&quot;c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format&quot;,&quot;c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;List format&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;List format&quot;}--><h2 id="List_format" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_format-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_format-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"></span>List format<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_format-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: List format"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-List_format-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format","c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format","c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z","timestamp":"2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__9__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__6__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-List_format-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format&quot;,&quot;c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format&quot;,&quot;c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;List format&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;List format&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format"></span>I see you reverted changes I had made to <a href="/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona" title="List of state routes in Arizona">List of state routes in Arizona</a>. I don't quite understand the rationale behind your reversion. With the template, it's both readable and organized, so I reverted back to my version. I am trying to avoid making lists of routes look like <a href="/wiki/List_of_Interstate_and_U.S._Highways_in_Washington#Primary_Interstate_Highways" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Interstate and U.S. Highways in Washington">List of Interstate and U.S. Highways in Washington</a>, which I think is ugly and unreadable. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Road_list&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Road list (page does not exist)">Road list</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> can take the same information found in the Washington example and lay it out differently so it's readable. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie">Fredddie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fredddie" title="User talk:Fredddie">™</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z","author":"Fredddie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format","replies":["c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z-List_format"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"></span>I disagree with the notion that it is organized, unless you mean organized by number. The original format of the list makes it clear, at a glance, which routes are extant, which are historical, and which simply never existed; your version of the list would imply to the casual reader that Interstate 410 exists in Arizona, which it never has. Note as well that this is a list of <i>state routes</i> and the previous version of the list emphasised this fact by placing state routes first and foremost in the list. As far as readability/usability is concerned, the old list clearly separated <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_95_in_Arizona" title="U.S. Route 95 in Arizona">U.S. Route 95 in Arizona</a> and <a href="/wiki/Arizona_State_Route_95" title="Arizona State Route 95">Arizona State Route 95</a> - they were in separate sections and there could be no confusing which was which. The current iteration of the list places them next to each other and makes the likelihood of a misclick much higher. Finally, the current version of the list takes up a lot of real estate on the screen and loses the TOC, both of which add up to a lot of unecessary scrolling to get through the list to a specific entry. I understand your issues with <a href="/wiki/List_of_Interstate_and_U.S._Highways_in_Washington#Primary_Interstate_Highways" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Interstate and U.S. Highways in Washington">List of Interstate and U.S. Highways in Washington</a> but the old version of the Arizona list does not suffer the same issues. I am going to have to revert back to the original version until it can be explained in what way the templated version is superior. I'm also copying this conversation to the list's talk page for trancparancy to other users, and it would probably be best to continue dicussion there. <a href="/wiki/User:Shereth" title="User:Shereth"><b style="color:#0000FF;">Sher</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shereth" title="User talk:Shereth"><b style="color:#6060BF;">eth</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Shereth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Sher"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:16:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T21:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format"></span>Note</b>: the above is copied from <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shereth#List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona" title="User talk:Shereth">User_talk:Shereth#List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona</a>.</small> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I am going to link this to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:USRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:USRD">WT:USRD</a> to get some more input on this. My issue with the non-templated version is what happens when someone wants to add information like length, endpoints, counties the routes traverse, etc., which I hope we can agree is sorely needed in this list. The template ensures that whenever the information is added, each route will display it the same. I guess I have no objections to splitting up the list by route type, but I do think all routes numerical order is the most logical. Your point that this is a <i>state routes</i> list is a non-issue as the state route lists have become de facto complete lists of state, U.S., and Interstate highways for most states. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie">Fredddie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fredddie" title="User talk:Fredddie">™</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Fredddie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format","replies":["c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_format"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z"></span>Be that as it may, I think the list loses a lot of utility when all of the routes are bunched together with no distinguishing between types. If this can still be accomplished with the template I have no specific issues with the template itself (although I would request that the highway shields be reduced to the size in the current list, they were taking up a lot of screen real estate previously). Naturally sorting by numeric order, within route types, makes the most logical sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Shereth" title="User:Shereth"><b style="color:#0000FF;">Sher</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shereth" title="User talk:Shereth"><b style="color:#6060BF;">eth</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Shereth","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Sher"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z"></span>Interestingly enough, the size of the shield is what it is because of readability. While the template is not used there, yet, there are some routes in Canada where the text on the shield is impossible to read at 20px. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie">Fredddie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fredddie" title="User talk:Fredddie">™</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Fredddie","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fredddie-2010-01-04T22:57:00.000Z-Shereth-2010-01-04T22:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format"></span>How about <a href="/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Utah" title="List of state highways in Utah">Utah's list?</a> Perhaps it's a little <i>too</i> detailed, but I think it works just fine. IMO, I don't think you guys need shields for every route either. Maybe something like the infobox in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_state_highways_in_Utah&amp;oldid=226592278">this</a> would suffice? <a href="/wiki/User:CL" title="User:CL">CL</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CL" title="User talk:CL">T</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CL" title="Special:Contributions/CL">C</a>)</small> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z","author":"CL","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format","replies":["c-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z-List_format"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z"></span>Sherth, I'm not sure if you are aware, but technically an Interstate and a US Highway are just state highways with a different shield. US Highways are state highways with a common numbering scheme used nationally that don't change numbers when they cross state lines. Interstates are the same, except that they have higher construction standards (limited access, grade separation, dual/separated carriageways, etc) and a Federal funding source. I prefer a list though that is sortable. That way you can sort by length, creation date (unbuilt highways wouldn't have a creation date for instance), decommissioning/deletion/whatever term you prefer date (likewise an unbuilt highway wouldn't have a date, and current highways can be set to default to the current year), etc. I'm sure we could figure out a way that would allow the sorting to sort by type (I then US then SR) by some hidden parameter as well as raw numbers. The raw numbers are also used as the browse order in the infoboxes in the articles, btw. <a href="/wiki/User:Imzadi1979" title="User:Imzadi1979">Imzadi1979</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imzadi1979" title="User talk:Imzadi1979">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Imzadi1979","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z-CL-2010-01-04T23:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z"></span>For the format of listing numbered highways, I think both <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Road_list&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Road list (page does not exist)">Road list</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and a table list the information in a clean and easy to read way. However, these formats can cause the pages to load very slowly, see <a href="/wiki/List_of_Maryland_state_highways" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Maryland state highways">List of Maryland state highways</a>. For these lists, the bulleted list may work best, as it would be the most manageable to load. ---<a href="/wiki/User:Dough4872" title="User:Dough4872">Dough</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dough4872" title="User talk:Dough4872">48</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dough4872" title="Special:Contributions/Dough4872">72</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Dough4872","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dough"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z-Imzadi1979-2010-01-04T23:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z"></span>I would advise against having that many shields one page. We need to remember that not all the world has broadband speed internet access, and a page bloated with images will take forever to load. Anybody who has experienced the internet on a 14.4baud modem knows exactly what I'm talking about.<a href="/wiki/User:Davemeistermoab" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Davemeistermoab">Dave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davemeistermoab" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Davemeistermoab">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z","author":"Davemeistermoab","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Dave"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davemeistermoab-2010-01-07T23:31:00.000Z-Dough4872-2010-01-05T00:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-External_links_modified-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z-External_links_modified&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;}--><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-External_links_modified-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z-External_links_modified"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z-External_links_modified","timestamp":"2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-External_links_modified-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z-External_links_modified&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2018-01-02T17:12:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona" title="List of state routes in Arizona">List of state routes in Arizona</a>. 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'11) <a href="/wiki/User:Mapsax" title="User:Mapsax">Mapsax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mapsax" title="User talk:Mapsax">talk</a>) 02:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC) [<i>Edited</i>] Now noted that this shows up on various Arizona U.S. Route articles and a couple of state route ones and is mentioned at the old <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USRD/AZ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USRD/AZ">WP:USRD/AZ</a> but it probably should be more widespead. <a href="/wiki/User:Mapsax" title="User:Mapsax">Mapsax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mapsax" title="User talk:Mapsax">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-Mapsax-2022-03-25T02:21:00.000Z-ADOT_history_document" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mapsax-2022-03-25T02:21:00.000Z-ADOT_history_document"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-25T02:21:00.000Z","author":"Mapsax","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mapsax-2022-03-25T02:21:00.000Z-ADOT_history_document","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mapsax-2022-03-25T02:21:00.000Z-ADOT_history_document"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-YellowAries2010-20240315070200&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wye_Route-20240315070200&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wye Route&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wye Route&quot;}--><h2 id="Wye_Route" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wye_Route-20240315070200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wye_Route-20240315070200"></span>Wye Route<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wye_Route-20240315070200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Edit section: Wye Route"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-YellowAries2010-20240315070200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wye_Route-20240315070200","replies":["c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route","timestamp":"20240315070200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-YellowAries2010-20240315070200&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wye_Route-20240315070200&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wye Route&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wye Route&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route"></span>I don't see a good definition of this kind of route (though I think i've seen the suffix "Y" before in AZ). Can anyone explain this? I've looked at the source and on Google a bit. It would be good to add an explanation to the article, if possible. <a href="/wiki/User:YellowAries2010" title="User:YellowAries2010">YellowAries2010</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YellowAries2010" title="User talk:YellowAries2010">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_state_routes_in_Arizona#c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240315070200","author":"YellowAries2010","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YellowAries2010-20240315070200-Wye_Route"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.eqiad.main‐864bbfd546‐gcwcm Cached time: 20241129085753 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.017 seconds CPU time usage: 0.448 seconds Real time usage: 0.569 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 12291/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 44597/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 6735/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 26/100 Expensive parser function count: 11/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 22552/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.178/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 4043751/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 488.474 1 -total 97.19% 474.728 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 48.34% 236.133 1 Template:WikiProject_United_States 32.49% 158.690 1 Template:WikiProject_U.S._Roads 16.59% 81.054 2 Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces 14.99% 73.239 2 Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces/core 10.12% 49.450 1 Template:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/taskforce 7.21% 35.241 2 Template:Flatlist 7.04% 34.393 151 Template:Yesno 5.59% 27.307 2 Template:WPBannerMeta/qualityscale --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:4057516:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241129085753 and revision id 1213808717. 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