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title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Overview">Overview</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Vision" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Vision">Vision</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Glossary" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Glossary">Glossary</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/FAQ" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/FAQ">FAQ</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Function_model" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Function model">Function model</a></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Updates">Updates</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia" title="Global message delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia">subscribe</a>)</li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Development plan</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Summary" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Summary">Summary</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Name">Name</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Goals" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Goals">Goals</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Organization" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Organization">Organization</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Requirements" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Requirements">Requirements</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Architecture" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Architecture">Architecture</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Components" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Components">Components</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Tasks">Tasks</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Phases" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Phases">Implementation phases</a></li> <li>(<a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Plan" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Plan">single page version</a> of all above)</li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Notes, drafts, discussions</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Notes" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Notes">Overview of notes</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Pre-generic_function_model" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Pre-generic function model">Pre-generic function model</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Object_creation_requirements" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Object creation requirements">Object creation requirements</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/First_evaluation_engine" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/First evaluation engine">First evaluation engine</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Function_evaluator_call" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Function evaluator call">Function evaluator call</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Dates" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Dates">Representation of dates</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Representation of languages">Representation of languages</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_errors" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Representation of errors">Representation of errors</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Error_messages_on_ZObjects" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Error messages on ZObjects">Error messages on ZObjects</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Reserved_ZIDs" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Reserved ZIDs">Reserved ZIDs</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Canonical_and_normal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Canonical and normal">Canonical and normal</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/User_stories" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/User stories">User stories</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/NLG_system_architecture_proposal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/NLG system architecture proposal">NLG system architecture proposal</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Template_Language_for_Wikifunctions" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Template Language for Wikifunctions">Template Language for Wikifunctions</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Wikidata_Abstract_Representation" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Wikidata Abstract Representation">Wikidata Abstract Representation</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_discussion_topics" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Early discussion topics">Discussion topics</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/External_outreach" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/External outreach">External outreach</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Ideas" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Ideas">Ideas</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Licensing_discussion" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Licensing discussion">Licensing discussion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work">Related and previous work</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work/Natural_language_generation" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work/Natural language generation">Natural language generation</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work/Theories_of_semantics_and_meaning_representations" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work/Theories of semantics and meaning representations">Theories of semantics and meaning representations</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work/Workshops" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work/Workshops">Workshops</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/ZObject" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/ZObject">ZObject</a></li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Examples & mockups</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Examples">Examples</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_function_examples" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Early function examples">Examples of functions</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_mockups" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Early mockups">Mockups</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples/Jupiter" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Examples/Jupiter">Example: Jupiter</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples/Function_composition" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Examples/Function composition">Examples: Function composition</a></li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Data tools</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Data" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Data">Data</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Lexicographical_coverage" class="extiw" title="d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Lexicographical coverage">Lexicographical coverage</a></li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Historical</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a 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language code (<i>e.g.</i> "en" for English, "ja" for Japanese, <i>etc.</i>). The monolingual text representing the English label "Type" for example looks as follows: </p> <table class="wikitable" style="margin:.6em 1.6em"> <tbody><tr> <td><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-json mw-content-ltr mw-highlight-lines" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="linenos" data-line="1"></span><span class="p">{</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="2"></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"type"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Monolingual text"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="3"></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"language"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"en"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="4"></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"text"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Type"</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="5"></span><span class="p">}</span> </pre></div> </td> <td><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-json mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p">{</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"Z1K1"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Z11"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"Z11K1"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"en"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"Z11K2"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Type"</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Here, both "en" and "type" are of type Z6/String. </p><p>The suggestion is to change the type for Z11K1/language from Z6/String to a new type, Z60/Natural language. Z60/Natural language has only one key, the Z60K1/language code of type Z6/String. This would mean the above representation would change to the following: </p> <table class="wikitable" style="margin:.6em 1.6em"> <tbody><tr> <td><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-json mw-content-ltr mw-highlight-lines" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="linenos" data-line="1"></span><span class="p">{</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="2"></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"type"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Monolingual text"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="3"></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"language"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"English"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="4"></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"text"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Type"</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="5"></span><span class="p">}</span> </pre></div> </td> <td><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-json mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p">{</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"Z1K1"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Z11"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"Z11K1"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Z1002"</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">"Z11K2"</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"Type"</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Advantages_of_objects_over_codes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advantages_of_objects_over_codes-Language_objects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advantages_of_objects_over_codes-Language_objects"></span>Advantages of objects over codes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advantages_of_objects_over_codes-Language_objects"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Advantages of objects over codes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Instead of having to memorise language codes, we can use the same search as for every other object</li> <li>When switching interface languages, the reader will see the language names in their language instead of language code they are possibly not familiar with</li> <li>We can use a generic validation of the language object instead of hardcoding something that relies on MediaWiki's language system</li> <li>The latter point is particularly pertinent when thinking about other implementations supporting Wikifunctions code: they would need to reimplement parts of MediaWiki's language system in order to show consistent behaviour</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Advantages_of_code_over_objects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advantages_of_code_over_objects-Language_objects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advantages_of_code_over_objects-Language_objects"></span>Advantages of code over objects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advantages_of_code_over_objects-Language_objects"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Advantages of code over objects"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>We already have an API that offers us a list of codes, and we can use the same source inside of the wiki to validate that the language codes are good</li> <li>We are more used to "en" than "Z1002"</li> <li>The current Z12/Multilingual text component is very fast. It is likely that rewriting the component to use objects will be much slower overall</li> <li>MediaWiki has already really good support for languages, and languages in different names. We could use that instead of developing our own solution to display the name in different languages</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Language_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Language_names-Language_objects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Language_names-Language_objects"></span>Language names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Language_names-Language_objects"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Language names"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>Seriously? We already have all the language names in MediaWiki in all languages, and we have the language names in Wikidata, too. Having them again, a third time? How is that cool?</i> </p><p>OK, OK, it isn't. Reusing these names would be really sweet. </p><p>Here's one thing, though - if we do some one-off coding for that, that relies on being part of a MediaWiki installation running, we would basically require that every evaluation engine recreates that part of MediaWiki. Or relies on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Locale_Data_Repository" class="extiw" title="en:Common Locale Data Repository">CLDR</a>. And either of these feel burdensome. </p><p>One way we could do it is to generate the labels of the languages from MediaWiki, and regenerate them as needed, into the data directory of WikiLambda, and then reload these as needed. </p><p>An additional step would be to lock down editing of labels for language objects, and relegate the changing of the labels to go through MediaWiki's established process for that. Without locking them down, we might have problems with a two-way sync reconciling changes on-wiki by Wikifunctions contributors with changes coming from the wiki. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BCP_47_mappings" data-mw-thread-id="h-BCP_47_mappings-Language_objects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BCP_47_mappings-Language_objects"></span>BCP 47 mappings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BCP_47_mappings-Language_objects"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: BCP 47 mappings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>We already have mappings from BCP 47 to MediaWiki language codes! Let's reuse those, instead of inventing our own.</i> </p><p>I know. </p><p>The suggestion is similar to the one for language names: in the end it is just two pretty simple functions. These can be kept up-to-date through a similar approach as outlined above, by recreating the mappings from MediaWiki and upload them and potentially locking down their editing. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Language_fallback" data-mw-thread-id="h-Language_fallback-Language_objects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Language_fallback-Language_objects"></span>Language fallback<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Language_fallback-Language_objects"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Language fallback"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="tracked tracked-floatright mw-trackedTemplate"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r27690877"> Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a>: <br/> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268671" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T268671"><strong class="trakfab-T268671">Task T268671</strong></a></div> <p>Let's solve that later. There might be different solutions for interface and for target languages. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lists_of_languages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lists_of_languages"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lists_of_languages"></span>Lists of languages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lists_of_languages"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Lists of languages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>There are already a several lists of language. Here are some relevant ones: </p> <ol><li><b>Interface languages</b>: the languages that the user interface of MediaWiki supports, <i>i.e.</i> the languages in which user interface elements of MediaWiki can get rendered in (this is distinct from the MediaWiki content languages, see <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Language" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Language">MediaWiki manual on Language</a>)</li> <li>the list of languages the Lexemes in Wikidata are in</li> <li>the MediaWiki content languages</li> <li>the list of Wikipedia language editions</li> <li>the English Wiktionary's list of all 8,163 language codes that are 'recognised' by their community's templates: <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:Wiktionary:List_of_languages" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:Wiktionary:List of languages">wikt:en:Wiktionary:List of languages</a> - there's probably a similar list on the other Wiktionaries</li></ol> <p>A similar list of lists of languages is <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Lea_Lacroix_(WMDE)/List_of_lists_of_languages" class="extiw" title="d:User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)/List of lists of languages">Léa's list of lists of languages in Wikidata</a>. </p><p>We initially were considering to have <i>interface languages</i> (in which languages is the interface of Wikifunctions available?) to be separate from <i>target languages</i> (in which languages can the Wikifunctions natural language generation library generate content?), but after discussion we decided that it would be more useful for everyone if we keep these two lists aligned. It will probably cost a bit more, but in the end it should improve the situation for everyone. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Initial_list_of_languages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Initial_list_of_languages"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Initial_list_of_languages"></span>Initial list of languages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Initial_list_of_languages"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Initial list of languages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>The MediaWiki interface languages are based on the languages the MediaWiki user interface supports. </p><p>MediaWiki identifies languages using short strings similar to (but not always equivalent to) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639" class="extiw" title="en:ISO 639">ISO 639</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IETF_language_tag" class="extiw" title="en:IETF language tag">BCP 47</a> codes. The full list of these is available through the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/API:Languageinfo" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Languageinfo">LanguageInfo API</a>. There are at time of writing 858 languages in this list. We will start with this list as our first list of languages. The <a href="/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages#More_on_lists_of_languages" title="Talk:Abstract Wikipedia/Representation of languages">source of the list of these languages is described on the talk page</a>. </p><p>The list of languages we currently support in Z12/Multilingual text and that the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#uselang" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parameters to index.php">uselang</a> parameter accepts is the full list of 858 languages. </p><p>Note that this is a very inclusive view on what a language is: to just give a few examples, the list includes "de-formal", each of "uz", "uz-latn", and "uz-cyrl", <i>etc.</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Assigning_ZIDs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Assigning_ZIDs"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Assigning_ZIDs"></span>Assigning ZIDs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Assigning_ZIDs"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Assigning ZIDs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Here is the suggestion for assigning the first set of languages to ZIDs: </p> <ul><li>First, use the list of official working languages of the UN, and assign to them the first few ZIDs (this way there's a chance of memorizing these languages when working with the system). The order is alphabetic based on the code. <ul><li>Z1001/Arabic (ar)</li> <li>Z1002/English (en)</li> <li>Z1003/Spanish (es)</li> <li>Z1004/French (fr)</li> <li>Z1005/Russian (ru)</li> <li>Z1006/Chinese (zh)</li></ul></li> <li>Furthermore, starting with Z1011 and going to Z1861, we assign the other 852 languages that are in the full list of interface languages, based on the alphabetic order of their code. Any further languages will be added chronologically.</li></ul> <p>Alternatives: instead of using an alphabetic order, we could also use a hash or assign them randomly. 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