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They want to know exactly what happened</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in Courtney's case. The Inspector General's Office is an independent</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>watchdog agency that oversees city government. It's a powerful and</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(00:39)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>important agency, so their investigations can take a long time,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>but they can also lead to real change. Their job</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>is to root out corruption and uncover misconduct among government</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>officials and sometimes the police. Depending on their findings, they</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>can recommend a change in rules or even disciplinary action.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(01:00)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chaprol is hopeful that the Inspector General can uncover even</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>more about the final moments of her son's life. And</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>another quick update, there's a new teaching guide for the podcast.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>You can find it online at Invisible Dot Institute slash</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>teach dash somebody with schools mostly online this year. It's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a great way to engage high school students in conversations</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(01:23)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>around race and policing. Now our episode, we still have</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>some a few more books backs left. We have about</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>sanmore left. You did ticket. Every year since Courtney died,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chapol hosts a free book bag party through the Foundation</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in his name. It's a big back to school community event.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(01:46)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>There's always a ton of food, music, and some of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Courtney's friends give free haircuts to kids. It's all beautiful.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I love a great day. But this year's book bag</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>giveaway was a lot to friend Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Fewer people,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>quieter spaced out here, chaparl on Facebook Life. She's a</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(02:08)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>little muffled because she's wearing a mask. Are you there.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I'm sorry, I'm getting everybody today. We're giving away bookbag</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>because we have hundreds of bookbags left. We are also</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>giving away free haircuts today, so I want to turn</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>around so you can see they have some availability. We're</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>taking haircuts two at a time because of COVID, but</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(02:30)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>we do have chaperl and the Foundation still pulled it</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>off and gave away three hundred book bags this year,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>even with schools not reopening full time in the pandemic.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It was a bittersweet start to the school season. Courtney's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>own book bag ended up being a recurring theme over</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the three years at the Invisible Institute investigated the case</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(02:53)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>with Chaparl. So today we're going to dive into that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Lebron James book bag and why it was actually pretty</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>important understanding what happened to Courtney. And then we're going</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to remember one of Courtney's best friends who was featured</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in the podcast, Steve Otero, Courtney's book Bag. It's become</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(03:15)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>very special to Chaparl since Courtney's death. When we recorded</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>our final episode of the podcast, Chaparral brought Courtney's book</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>back to the studio just to be among us. And</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that book bag is the reason why for a long time,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chapel didn't think Courtney died in an attempted robbery. The</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>reason why that theory didn't pay for me as far</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(03:36)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>as a car jack is because nothing was taken from Courtney.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>He had a cell phone, he had his wallet, his</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>book bag, his iPad, his vehicle, all of that was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>still in the car. Courtney as a person was very</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>careful with his surrounding. If he felt like uneasy about</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a situation, he would actually leave. So whatever happened to</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(03:57)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Courtney that night, it was something that he was blind</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>aside by. Inside Courtney's book bag, was his iPad, and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>even though the police report clearly listed the iPad as</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>being inside the BMW, it was missing. When Chaparll got</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the car back from the impound lot, I x CPD</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>about his iPad. They said that they didn't they didn't</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(04:18)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>have the iPad and they never saw iPad. I said,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>did you check the iPad to see if your head</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and he captured anything. I said, because you know, iPads</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>do have cameras on them. They said, we have too much.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>We don't have space to catalog everything. I said, okay,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>this is the type of things when I say inconsistencies</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(04:38)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that bother me. So this is why I have little</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to no trust in what they're saying. That iPad and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the book bag was a major rabbit hole. Chapelle and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I went down for a long time. We tried that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>finder iPad feature and it didn't work. We knew. The</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>officers on scene after Courtney pulled up to the station</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and collapsed, went through his book bag because that's where</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(04:59)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he kept his I D and Courtney's BMW co signer</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Christian Hernandez told us that when he went to the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>impound lot to get the car, the book bag was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>dumped out, which was unusual because Courtney kept his car</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>pretty clean. When as soon as I walk in there,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the car was a mess. That was like somebody was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>going through it because his jeans were everywhere. Trip to</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(05:22)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>me grabbed the book bag at his belongings. His book</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>back was wide open um if he were parking, how</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>would we tend to get out of the car, what</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>steps should we take? Would you reach for anything or</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>do anything? Like? In general, he's getting out of the car,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>who reached for his book back? It will always be</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(05:43)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in the back seat, always somewhere in the back seat,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>usually on the seats on the floor. We heard the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>same thing from Alma, the coworker Courtney was going to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>see that night. It's a convertible, you know, it's a</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It's a little car for a big guy. So normally</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he would get out of his car, pull the seat forward,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(06:04)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and then reach into the back to get his backpack.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>He would never leave his backpack in the car. He</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>would always take it with him. I think it's like</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the weight of it, the weight of the backpack, like</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he felt. I guess like he wasn't alone. When Alma</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>got home from the hospital the morning, Courtney died. She said,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>everything became clear what must have happened. When she saw</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(06:26)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the skid marks by the church where he usually parked.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Everything started to make sense. I feel like he parked,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he was getting out of his car. Maybe he was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>reaching for his backpack. That makes sense to me, you know,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>if he was shot in the back, I feel like</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he probably didn't see who shot him. When we spoke</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to a firearms forensic expert, he thought that Courtney was</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(06:47)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>likely ducking out of the way when he saw danger coming.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Based on the low height of the car and the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>angles someone would have had to shoot into the car.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>But Chaparral kind of agreed with Alma on this one car.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It's just it's low, so it would have ended he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was getting his back he was getting his bag out,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and that would be all plausible, you know, after how</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(07:09)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he got shot in the back. And the tragic irony</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>is that right as Courtney was probably reaching for that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>book bag, that familiar weight that made him feel so safe,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he likely didn't realize the danger that was right there.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(07:47)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Since the podcast aired, many of you from all over</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the world have left Chaparral such kind words on our</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>voicemail and by email. Here's a few of Chaparral's favorite messages.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I am just a single mom with two kids driving</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to Hilton Head left Virginia Beach early this morning, and</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(08:07)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I have to tell you that those episodes that I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>just lifted up to somebody podcast about Courtney Copeland less</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>all of you here in Sport. When you talk to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that cop my god, oh my god, those are the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>peabody to that episode. You are one badass. Okay. You</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(08:34)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>have the same exact kind of shries that I know</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>my mom would have for me. It's something like that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>happened to me. We're living in a horrible time, UM,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>where it is every day mnus and throwing our face</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to black and brown bodies do not matter at all,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and it's very heartbreaking and discouraging to live in this space.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(08:59)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>By it, I tune in and listen every week. UM,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I hope you find the answers that you're looking for.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>And I'm so grateful for this podcast and that you</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>have a group of people that care enough to help</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you in this search. These messages have meant so much</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to Chaparral because not only did we release this podcast</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(09:19)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>right at the beginning of the pandemic and and the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>podcast right as conversations around state violence. We're taking hold</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>of us yet again. But Chaparral's family experienced another loss.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>One of Courtney's very best friends, Stephen O'to, died back</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in April. He was I'll tell you, this is the</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(09:42)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>second hardest thing that I ever had to do. It</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was just such a beautiful day. The sun was shining.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Steve the sister Kesha, she was crying. I'm like, what's wrong, Kesha,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>And she was, well, they're calling my sisters to tell</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(10:02)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>me that Stephen passed away. When it finally hit me</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that Stephen was gone, heart re shattered in a million pieces.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Courtney and Steve met his kids in cis Row and</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(10:23)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>played baseball together. It was funny because Courney, ever since</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he was little, he was super chunky and like he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was still run fast. He was still like be real active.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>You know. In our league, he would have a whole</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>bunch of home runs. Steve was like a son to Chapel.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>In fact, she says now that it's like losing two sons.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>She used to take him in Courtney all over the</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(10:44)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>place in her van for sports trips. She threw them</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in eighth grade graduation party. She took them to New York.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Stephen told us their friendship really took root at a</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>school dance party. It was crazy because we're like the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>highlight of it. We're getting all the girls. Everybody was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>getting crowded around us, and it was the Soldier Boy</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>had that song, Soldier Boy, and we're doing the dance</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(11:06)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and stuff the dance many Superman. We talked to Steve</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>extensively over the last few years. He was one of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the people who immediately went to the crime scene to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>collect evidence after Courtney was shot. Steve saw skid marks</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(11:26)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and broken glass by the church, and he talked to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a woman who lived at the corner and heard gunshots.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>In the early days of the case, he was right</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>there with Chaparl investigating. We'd like to let this tape</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>of Steve play out a little. Producer Bill Healy recorded</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chaparl and him reminiscing back in Courtney. I had like</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(11:47)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he's like a leader man, and that guy always told</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>me like he always tried to push me to do better.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>And what two years, three years, three years Corney hit</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the type of relationship with his friends, like he would</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>do anything for his friends. And so with Stephen, he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was like, my Stephen needs to come stay with us,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(12:07)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and I was like stap. I was like, okay, well,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>what's cooling on with Stephen? So but he was already</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>sneaking Stephen in for like three or four weeks before</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he told me that, and so I was like okay,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and then he was like, yeah, he's going through something</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and I want to help him. I said, okay, we're</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>gonna help Stephen. And so Stephen, he was like, Stephen,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(12:28)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you gotta finish school, Stephen, you gotta do this. Let's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>go to church, and you know, you try to give</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>them the same kind of guidance that you're giving your</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>own children. It's just so happened that Stephen stayed with</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>us for like, like he said, three years, just about</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>all the high school, right, yeah, definitely. And at that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>point for like you know, accepted with the family. And</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>then it was like something more to me, like more important.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(12:51)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It was like a brotherhood that had a family, and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I haven't already had a family. But you know, it's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>crazy are some people that they're not your family, but</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>they care so much for you, you know, and they</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>want to do see you do good, Stephen. You also</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>got tattoo. Oh yes, I didn't really have that much</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>money or whatever, but I went to the casino. I</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(13:13)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was like, man, if I win, it's for Cordney. That</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>same week, I was able to win like five hundred bucks,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and um, right away I went to go get a</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>very detailed portrait tattoo of Corney and this picture he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>had actually took with his mom. I picked this one</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>because he looked very happy. That's really nice. My guardian angel. Yes,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>his father passed away and he had on his arm</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(13:35)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that that's his guarden angel. I took that from him.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I made him my guardian angel. Every time I felt</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>bad or anything, I just looked down, you know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>looked down and I see him right there. So you</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>guys got all these tattoos had my back. They tattoo</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>buddy at first tattoo. We we got the same tattoo,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(13:56)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>matching tattoos. We got an art on our chest across</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>our chest. You know, since we played a lot of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>basketball or whatever, we wrote ball to Life Fall and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>we used that model as like to go hard, you know,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to go hard to to the very last of you.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>So you recently had a little baby girl. Yes. You know,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(14:17)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>after after what happened to Corny, I was like, man like,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>it made me think about my life. You know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>need to get serious and focus, and you know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>wanted to start my own family. So you know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was able to just have my baby. She's four months,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you know, and I know Corney would have been going</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>crazy because it will be like, oh, uncle Theo, like</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(14:39)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that was his niece, you know, and it's something that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I wished he could have seen. You know, that's one</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>of the main reasons I decided to have a baby too,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>just to stay more focused and where about my family,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you know, and sheished them because you never know when</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>it's your last day. From the Somebody team, we'd like</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(14:59)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to in the O Tero's and all of Steve's family,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>our love, peace to you, everybody, sood everything. Nobody. Somebody</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(15:23)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>is a co production of The Invisible Institute, Topic Studios,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>The Intercept, and I Heart Radio in association with Tenderfoot TV.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>This bonus episode was produced by me Alison Flowers, Rissa Apantaku,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Bill Healy, and Sarah Geye for The Invisible Institute. Jamie</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Calvin is executive producer for Topic Studios. Christie Kressman is</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>executive producer. Sound designed by Rissa open Taku. Our theme song,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(15:46)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Everybody Something is by Chance the Rapper. Original music for</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>this podcast by Eric Butler and Nate Fox of The</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Social Experiment. We'd love to hear from you. Email us</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>at info at Somebody podcast dot com or leave us</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a voicemail at seven seven three two seven zero zero</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>one to one. 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Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.</div></div><style data-emotion="css 1dcehgl">.css-1dcehgl{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background-color:#FFFFFF;border-radius:0.3rem;display:block;height:35rem;overflow-wrap:anywhere;overflow-y:auto;padding:1.8rem;white-space:pre-line;width:100%;}.css-1dcehgl .podcast-transcription-speaker{font-weight:bold;}</style><div class="css-1dcehgl e1kn80fp0"><span class=podcast-transcription-speaker>Speaker 1</span> <span class=podcast-transcription-time>(00:00)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Okay, hi everyone, this is Allison Flowers from the Invisible Institute.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(00:17)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Before we jump in, we have some big news to share.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>After hearing chaparol story and are reporting, the City of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chicago's Office of the Inspector General has decided to open</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>an official investigation. They want to know exactly what happened</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in Courtney's case. The Inspector General's Office is an independent</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>watchdog agency that oversees city government. It's a powerful and</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(00:39)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>important agency, so their investigations can take a long time,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>but they can also lead to real change. Their job</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>is to root out corruption and uncover misconduct among government</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>officials and sometimes the police. Depending on their findings, they</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>can recommend a change in rules or even disciplinary action.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(01:00)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chaprol is hopeful that the Inspector General can uncover even</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>more about the final moments of her son's life. And</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>another quick update, there's a new teaching guide for the podcast.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>You can find it online at Invisible Dot Institute slash</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>teach dash somebody with schools mostly online this year. It's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a great way to engage high school students in conversations</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(01:23)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>around race and policing. Now our episode, we still have</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>some a few more books backs left. We have about</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>sanmore left. You did ticket. Every year since Courtney died,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chapol hosts a free book bag party through the Foundation</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in his name. It's a big back to school community event.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(01:46)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>There's always a ton of food, music, and some of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Courtney's friends give free haircuts to kids. It's all beautiful.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I love a great day. But this year's book bag</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>giveaway was a lot to friend Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Fewer people,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>quieter spaced out here, chaparl on Facebook Life. She's a</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(02:08)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>little muffled because she's wearing a mask. Are you there.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I'm sorry, I'm getting everybody today. We're giving away bookbag</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>because we have hundreds of bookbags left. We are also</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>giving away free haircuts today, so I want to turn</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>around so you can see they have some availability. We're</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>taking haircuts two at a time because of COVID, but</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(02:30)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>we do have chaperl and the Foundation still pulled it</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>off and gave away three hundred book bags this year,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>even with schools not reopening full time in the pandemic.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It was a bittersweet start to the school season. Courtney's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>own book bag ended up being a recurring theme over</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the three years at the Invisible Institute investigated the case</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(02:53)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>with Chaparl. So today we're going to dive into that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Lebron James book bag and why it was actually pretty</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>important understanding what happened to Courtney. And then we're going</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to remember one of Courtney's best friends who was featured</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in the podcast, Steve Otero, Courtney's book Bag. It's become</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(03:15)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>very special to Chaparl since Courtney's death. When we recorded</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>our final episode of the podcast, Chaparral brought Courtney's book</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>back to the studio just to be among us. And</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that book bag is the reason why for a long time,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chapel didn't think Courtney died in an attempted robbery. The</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>reason why that theory didn't pay for me as far</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(03:36)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>as a car jack is because nothing was taken from Courtney.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>He had a cell phone, he had his wallet, his</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>book bag, his iPad, his vehicle, all of that was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>still in the car. Courtney as a person was very</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>careful with his surrounding. If he felt like uneasy about</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a situation, he would actually leave. So whatever happened to</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(03:57)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Courtney that night, it was something that he was blind</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>aside by. Inside Courtney's book bag, was his iPad, and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>even though the police report clearly listed the iPad as</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>being inside the BMW, it was missing. When Chaparll got</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the car back from the impound lot, I x CPD</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>about his iPad. They said that they didn't they didn't</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(04:18)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>have the iPad and they never saw iPad. I said,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>did you check the iPad to see if your head</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and he captured anything. I said, because you know, iPads</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>do have cameras on them. They said, we have too much.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>We don't have space to catalog everything. I said, okay,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>this is the type of things when I say inconsistencies</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(04:38)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that bother me. So this is why I have little</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to no trust in what they're saying. That iPad and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the book bag was a major rabbit hole. Chapelle and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I went down for a long time. We tried that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>finder iPad feature and it didn't work. We knew. The</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>officers on scene after Courtney pulled up to the station</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and collapsed, went through his book bag because that's where</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(04:59)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he kept his I D and Courtney's BMW co signer</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Christian Hernandez told us that when he went to the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>impound lot to get the car, the book bag was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>dumped out, which was unusual because Courtney kept his car</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>pretty clean. When as soon as I walk in there,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the car was a mess. That was like somebody was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>going through it because his jeans were everywhere. Trip to</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(05:22)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>me grabbed the book bag at his belongings. His book</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>back was wide open um if he were parking, how</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>would we tend to get out of the car, what</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>steps should we take? Would you reach for anything or</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>do anything? Like? In general, he's getting out of the car,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>who reached for his book back? It will always be</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(05:43)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in the back seat, always somewhere in the back seat,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>usually on the seats on the floor. We heard the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>same thing from Alma, the coworker Courtney was going to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>see that night. It's a convertible, you know, it's a</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It's a little car for a big guy. So normally</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he would get out of his car, pull the seat forward,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(06:04)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and then reach into the back to get his backpack.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>He would never leave his backpack in the car. He</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>would always take it with him. I think it's like</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the weight of it, the weight of the backpack, like</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he felt. I guess like he wasn't alone. When Alma</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>got home from the hospital the morning, Courtney died. She said,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>everything became clear what must have happened. When she saw</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(06:26)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the skid marks by the church where he usually parked.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Everything started to make sense. I feel like he parked,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he was getting out of his car. Maybe he was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>reaching for his backpack. That makes sense to me, you know,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>if he was shot in the back, I feel like</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he probably didn't see who shot him. When we spoke</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to a firearms forensic expert, he thought that Courtney was</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(06:47)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>likely ducking out of the way when he saw danger coming.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Based on the low height of the car and the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>angles someone would have had to shoot into the car.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>But Chaparral kind of agreed with Alma on this one car.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It's just it's low, so it would have ended he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was getting his back he was getting his bag out,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and that would be all plausible, you know, after how</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(07:09)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he got shot in the back. And the tragic irony</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>is that right as Courtney was probably reaching for that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>book bag, that familiar weight that made him feel so safe,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he likely didn't realize the danger that was right there.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(07:47)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Since the podcast aired, many of you from all over</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the world have left Chaparral such kind words on our</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>voicemail and by email. Here's a few of Chaparral's favorite messages.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I am just a single mom with two kids driving</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to Hilton Head left Virginia Beach early this morning, and</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(08:07)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I have to tell you that those episodes that I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>just lifted up to somebody podcast about Courtney Copeland less</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>all of you here in Sport. When you talk to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that cop my god, oh my god, those are the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>peabody to that episode. You are one badass. Okay. You</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(08:34)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>have the same exact kind of shries that I know</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>my mom would have for me. It's something like that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>happened to me. We're living in a horrible time, UM,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>where it is every day mnus and throwing our face</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to black and brown bodies do not matter at all,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and it's very heartbreaking and discouraging to live in this space.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(08:59)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>By it, I tune in and listen every week. UM,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I hope you find the answers that you're looking for.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>And I'm so grateful for this podcast and that you</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>have a group of people that care enough to help</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you in this search. These messages have meant so much</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to Chaparral because not only did we release this podcast</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(09:19)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>right at the beginning of the pandemic and and the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>podcast right as conversations around state violence. We're taking hold</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>of us yet again. But Chaparral's family experienced another loss.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>One of Courtney's very best friends, Stephen O'to, died back</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in April. He was I'll tell you, this is the</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(09:42)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>second hardest thing that I ever had to do. It</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was just such a beautiful day. The sun was shining.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Steve the sister Kesha, she was crying. I'm like, what's wrong, Kesha,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>And she was, well, they're calling my sisters to tell</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(10:02)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>me that Stephen passed away. When it finally hit me</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that Stephen was gone, heart re shattered in a million pieces.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Courtney and Steve met his kids in cis Row and</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(10:23)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>played baseball together. It was funny because Courney, ever since</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he was little, he was super chunky and like he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was still run fast. He was still like be real active.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>You know. In our league, he would have a whole</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>bunch of home runs. Steve was like a son to Chapel.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>In fact, she says now that it's like losing two sons.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>She used to take him in Courtney all over the</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(10:44)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>place in her van for sports trips. She threw them</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>in eighth grade graduation party. She took them to New York.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Stephen told us their friendship really took root at a</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>school dance party. It was crazy because we're like the</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>highlight of it. We're getting all the girls. Everybody was</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>getting crowded around us, and it was the Soldier Boy</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>had that song, Soldier Boy, and we're doing the dance</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(11:06)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and stuff the dance many Superman. We talked to Steve</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>extensively over the last few years. He was one of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the people who immediately went to the crime scene to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>collect evidence after Courtney was shot. Steve saw skid marks</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(11:26)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and broken glass by the church, and he talked to</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a woman who lived at the corner and heard gunshots.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>In the early days of the case, he was right</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>there with Chaparl investigating. We'd like to let this tape</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>of Steve play out a little. Producer Bill Healy recorded</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Chaparl and him reminiscing back in Courtney. I had like</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(11:47)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he's like a leader man, and that guy always told</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>me like he always tried to push me to do better.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>And what two years, three years, three years Corney hit</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>the type of relationship with his friends, like he would</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>do anything for his friends. And so with Stephen, he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was like, my Stephen needs to come stay with us,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(12:07)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and I was like stap. I was like, okay, well,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>what's cooling on with Stephen? So but he was already</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>sneaking Stephen in for like three or four weeks before</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>he told me that, and so I was like okay,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and then he was like, yeah, he's going through something</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and I want to help him. I said, okay, we're</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>gonna help Stephen. And so Stephen, he was like, Stephen,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(12:28)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you gotta finish school, Stephen, you gotta do this. Let's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>go to church, and you know, you try to give</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>them the same kind of guidance that you're giving your</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>own children. It's just so happened that Stephen stayed with</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>us for like, like he said, three years, just about</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>all the high school, right, yeah, definitely. And at that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>point for like you know, accepted with the family. And</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>then it was like something more to me, like more important.</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(12:51)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>It was like a brotherhood that had a family, and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I haven't already had a family. But you know, it's</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>crazy are some people that they're not your family, but</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>they care so much for you, you know, and they</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>want to do see you do good, Stephen. You also</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>got tattoo. Oh yes, I didn't really have that much</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>money or whatever, but I went to the casino. I</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(13:13)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was like, man, if I win, it's for Cordney. That</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>same week, I was able to win like five hundred bucks,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>and um, right away I went to go get a</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>very detailed portrait tattoo of Corney and this picture he</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>had actually took with his mom. I picked this one</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>because he looked very happy. That's really nice. My guardian angel. Yes,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>his father passed away and he had on his arm</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(13:35)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that that's his guarden angel. I took that from him.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I made him my guardian angel. Every time I felt</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>bad or anything, I just looked down, you know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>looked down and I see him right there. So you</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>guys got all these tattoos had my back. They tattoo</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>buddy at first tattoo. We we got the same tattoo,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(13:56)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>matching tattoos. We got an art on our chest across</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>our chest. You know, since we played a lot of</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>basketball or whatever, we wrote ball to Life Fall and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>we used that model as like to go hard, you know,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to go hard to to the very last of you.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>So you recently had a little baby girl. Yes. You know,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(14:17)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>after after what happened to Corny, I was like, man like,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>it made me think about my life. You know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>need to get serious and focus, and you know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>wanted to start my own family. So you know, I</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>was able to just have my baby. She's four months,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you know, and I know Corney would have been going</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>crazy because it will be like, oh, uncle Theo, like</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(14:39)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>that was his niece, you know, and it's something that</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>I wished he could have seen. You know, that's one</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>of the main reasons I decided to have a baby too,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>just to stay more focused and where about my family,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>you know, and sheished them because you never know when</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>it's your last day. From the Somebody team, we'd like</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(14:59)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>to in the O Tero's and all of Steve's family,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>our love, peace to you, everybody, sood everything. Nobody. Somebody</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(15:23)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>is a co production of The Invisible Institute, Topic Studios,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>The Intercept, and I Heart Radio in association with Tenderfoot TV.</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>This bonus episode was produced by me Alison Flowers, Rissa Apantaku,</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Bill Healy, and Sarah Geye for The Invisible Institute. Jamie</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Calvin is executive producer for Topic Studios. Christie Kressman is</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>executive producer. Sound designed by Rissa open Taku. Our theme song,</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(15:46)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Everybody Something is by Chance the Rapper. Original music for</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>this podcast by Eric Butler and Nate Fox of The</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>Social Experiment. We'd love to hear from you. Email us</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>at info at Somebody podcast dot com or leave us</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>a voicemail at seven seven three two seven zero zero</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>one to one. To learn more about this case and</span><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>for links to additional materials, go to our show page</span><br/><br/><span class=podcast-transcription-time>(16:06)</span>:<br/><span class=podcast-transcription-text>at topic dot com. 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