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screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#0a0a0a}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#0a0a0a}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}</style><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg/28px-WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="28" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg/42px-WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg/56px-WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="459"/></a></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council">Council</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg/50px-WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg/75px-WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg/100px-WikiProject_Council_with_transparent_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="459"/></a></td><td class="mbox-text">This module relates to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council">WikiProject Council</a>, a collaborative effort regarding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject">WikiProjects</a> in general. If you would like to participate, please visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council">project discussion page</a>.CouncilWikipedia:WikiProject CouncilTemplate:WikiProject CouncilCouncil articles</td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="box-To_do plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mw-notalk"> <div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Stock_post_message.svg/25px-Stock_post_message.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Stock_post_message.svg/38px-Stock_post_message.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Stock_post_message.svg/50px-Stock_post_message.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="40"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:To-do_list" title="Wikipedia:To-do list">To-do list</a> for <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner" title="Module:WikiProject banner">Module:WikiProject banner</a>: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/to_do&action=edit&preload=Template:Tasks/Preload">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/to_do&action=history">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/to_do&action=watch">watch</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=purge">refresh</a> · Updated 2024-09-30 <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-collapsible-content"><div class="todo-box" style="border:1px dotted gray; padding: 2px 4px;"> <ul><li>DOC=auto <a href="/wiki/File:Gold_check_mark.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/18px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/27px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/36px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a> Started <ul><li><code>a class</code></li> <li><code>collaboration-candidate</code>, <code>collaboration-current</code>, <code>collaboration-past</code></li> <li><code>peer review</code>, <code>old peer review</code></li> <li><code>QII_FORMAT</code></li></ul></li> <li>Fix mobile frontend display issues (<a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WPBannerMeta#Mobile_version" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:WPBannerMeta">Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Mobile version</a>)</li> <li>Document <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|PROJECT_STATUS=</code></li> <li>Add check for deprecated parameters <ul><li><code>QUALITY_SCALE</code></li> <li><code>b1</code>, etc.</li></ul></li></ul> </div></div></div> </div></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><a href="/wiki/File:Face-sad.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/40px-Face-sad.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/60px-Face-sad.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/80px-Face-sad.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></td><td class="mbox-text"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_with_errors" title="Category:WikiProject banners with errors">2</a> WikiProject banners have issues.</li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table id="archivebox" role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-small" style="text-align: center; padding: 1em;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="padding:0.6em 0 0.25em;"> <div style="width:100%; overflow:hidden;"><a href="/wiki/File:Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a> Archives</div> </td></tr><tr> <td class="plainlinks"> <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_index" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive index">Index</a> <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_1" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_2" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_3" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_4" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_5" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_6" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_7" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 7">7</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_8" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 8">8</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_9" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 9">9</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_10" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 10">10</a> <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_11" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 11">11</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_12" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 12">12</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_13" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 13">13</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_14" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 14">14</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_15" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 15">15</a> </td> </tr><tr><td style="padding-bottom:11px"><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="22" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="Module talk:WikiProject banner/" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px; font-size:11.9px;"> <hr/> This page has archives. Sections older than 60 days may be automatically archived by <a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a> when more than 4 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tracking_category_proposed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tracking_category_proposed-20240629173800">Tracking category proposed</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Tracking category proposed">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> There is a proposal to track uses of WikiProject banners which are placed outside the banner shell. The coding might be complex but I think this would be really useful — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240629173800-Tracking_category_proposed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Originating discussion @ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kanashimi/Archive_1#Cewbot_is_moving_WikiProject_banners_outside_of_WPBS" title="User talk:Kanashimi/Archive 1">User talk:Kanashimi/Archive 1#Cewbot is moving WikiProject banners outside of WPBS</a>. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240709181200-MSGJ-20240629173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If there is such a tracking category, my bots will automatically repair them by default. <a href="/wiki/User:Kanashimi" title="User:Kanashimi">Kanashimi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kanashimi" title="User talk:Kanashimi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Kanashimi-20240710085000-Tom.Reding-20240709181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>No progress on this, because I haven't figured out the code needed to achieve it — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240828071100-MSGJ-20240629173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Could there be a check after <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_WikiProject_banners_but_without_a_banner_shell" title="Category:Articles with WikiProject banners but without a banner shell">Articles with WikiProject banners but without a banner shell</a> is assigned, to <code>getContent()</code> on the current page and look for {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_banner_shell" title="Template:WikiProject banner shell">WikiProject banner shell</a>}} and its redirects? If both those conditions are met, then the banner should be outside WPBS. If possible, <a href="/wiki/Module:Template_redirect_regex" title="Module:Template redirect regex">Module:Template redirect regex</a> can be used to centrally store/maintain that regex. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240907123100-MSGJ-20240828071100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>How would you check if the template was inside or outside of the banner shell? That tracking category just checks for the existence of the banner shell on the page — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240907125700-Tom.Reding-20240907123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I see. As luck would have it, I was testing <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_WikiProject_banners_but_without_a_banner_shell" title="Category:Articles with WikiProject banners but without a banner shell">Articles with WikiProject banners but without a banner shell</a> on a probably-misbehaving {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Occupations" title="Template:WikiProject Occupations">WikiProject Occupations</a>}} (no reason other than that's what was in the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Occupation_by_nationality_and_century_category_header" title="Template talk:Occupation by nationality and century category header">nearest browser window</a>), which displayed the cat when outside of the WPBS. {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Occupations" title="Template:WikiProject Occupations">WikiProject Occupations</a>}} in fact displays the cat (one way or another) regardless of its position relative to WPBS.</dd> <dd>Yeah, I can't think of an easy & low-overhead way of doing this either, unless there's an easy way to transform all templates on a page to their canonical titles. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240907170600-MSGJ-20240907125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have asked for some help at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan9382" title="User talk:Aidan9382">User talk:Aidan9382</a> — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240907215500-Tom.Reding-20240907170600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> I have written some code on my sandbox which might work. If you type <code>{{#invoke:Sandbox/MSGJ|main|WikiProject Finland}}</code> it will look at the content of the current page and return ... <ul><li><code>true</code> if it finds {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Finland" title="Template:WikiProject Finland">WikiProject Finland</a>}} anywhere outside of the banner shell,</li> <li><code>true</code> there is no banner shell (so the template cannot be in a shell)</li> <li><code>false</code> if it is inside the banner shell,</li> <li><code>false</code> if {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Finland" title="Template:WikiProject Finland">WikiProject Finland</a>}} is not found on the page (perhaps a template redirect has been used, but we have no way to check for these)</li></ul> Some testing would be appreciated — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240919090400-Tracking_category_proposed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ol><li><code>%b{}</code> very cool!</li> <li>escaping <code>%|</code> in Lua is unnecessary</li> <li>for <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-lua mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">mw.ustring.find(content_without_shell, '{{%s*' .. banner_name .. '%s*[%|}]')</code> to work for all WikiProjects, escaping special characters in <code>banner_name</code> will be necessary to find {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WP_New_York_(state)" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WP New York (state)">WP New York (state)</a>}}, {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WP_C/C%2B%2B" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WP C/C++">WP C/C++</a>}}, and the like. Periods shouldn't need escaping though, since they'll just match themselves.</li></ol> <dl><dd> ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240919165800-MSGJ-20240919090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Escaping these magic characters is beyond me, I'm afraid. I have tried and failed — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240919211600-Tom.Reding-20240919165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Got it working! Check your sandbox for details. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240920004600-MSGJ-20240919211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's great. I just wish I understood what you've done there. Last time I did this on the authority control module, I had to use three % characters before the magic character (<a href="/wiki/Module:Authority_control#L-103" title="Module:Authority control">example</a>) so I don't know how you have done it with just two — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240920080200-Tom.Reding-20240920004600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, there are additional layers of evaluation to contend with in AC, which require more <code>%</code> (<code>%%%%</code> evaluates to <code>%%</code> evaluates to <code>%</code>).</dd> <dd>Also, literal "%" need to be first in <code>special_chars</code>, or else you end up escaping them recursively an unexpected/unwanted # of times. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240920111000-MSGJ-20240920080200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, good point. We should make the first character case insensitve, i.e. "wikiProject Biography" works the same as "WikiProject Biography" — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240920135100-Tom.Reding-20240920111000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done and <a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_placed_outside_the_banner_shell" title="Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell">Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell</a> (7) created — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240923091900-Tracking_category_proposed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think we should restrict this to main talk namespace only, because there are lots of false positives in project space — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240923111600-MSGJ-20240923091900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You could maybe do something like @<a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> did with <a href="/wiki/Module:Is_infobox_in_lead" title="Module:Is infobox in lead">Module:Is infobox in lead</a> and check if the banner is at the start of the page. Maybe Galobtter could help with tweaking his previous code. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240923112000-MSGJ-20240923111600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Not sure how that would help in this case. Some of the banners were are trying to find are tucked further down the page (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subarctic_climate&diff=prev&oldid=1247228319">example</a>) — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240923112500-Gonnym-20240923112000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, then it won't help there indeed. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240923114100-MSGJ-20240923112500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That appears to have been <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subarctic_climate&diff=prev&oldid=1194455925">a Cewbot bug</a>, followed by <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subarctic_climate&diff=next&oldid=1194455925">an incomplete fix</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Widefox" title="User:Widefox">Widefox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Widefox" title="User talk:Widefox">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Widefox" title="Special:Contributions/Widefox">contribs</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Redrose64-20240923160700-Gonnym-20240923114100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hmm, looks like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RATER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RATER">WP:RATER</a> didn't play well with the Cewbot buggy rating. <a href="/wiki/User:Widefox" title="User:Widefox">Widefox</a>; <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Widefox" title="User talk:Widefox">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Widefox-20240923181600-Redrose64-20240923160700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Could we ignore just the namespace(s) with the most FPs instead? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240923140400-MSGJ-20240923111600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Let's ignore any namespace where there might feasibly be banners used as examples or for testing — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240923153400-Tom.Reding-20240923140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Unmatched_close-bracket_error" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unmatched_close-bracket_error-Tracking_category_proposed-20240923153700">Unmatched close-bracket error</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Unmatched close-bracket error">edit</a>]</div> Probably related to the recent update. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Fsandbox&diff=1247264104&oldid=1247208793">This</a> helped, sort of - it moved the error to a different location, but it's still present. The problem comes from <code>[[]]</code> in <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|comments=[[]]</code>. The number in the error refers to the horizontal position of the error, and not a Unicode character #. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240923153700-Unmatched_close-bracket_error" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is bad, and I have no idea how to fix it. @<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan9382" title="User:Aidan9382">Aidan9382</a> - any insight? The error can be seen on <a href="/wiki/Talk:1993_in_Lithuanian_football" title="Talk:1993 in Lithuanian football">Talk:1993 in Lithuanian football</a> and some other pages. We may have to remove this code if we can't find an urgent fix — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240924073800-Tom.Reding-20240923153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: apologies, I've been busy. The page you link is no longer showing the issue - is the problem fixed, or is it still around in some other form, or was the change reverted? <a href="/wiki/User:Aidan9382" title="User:Aidan9382">Aidan9382</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan9382" title="User talk:Aidan9382">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Aidan9382-20240924162900-MSGJ-20240924073800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think we fixed it. It was a bit urgent so I didn't wait for your reply! Thanks — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240925122000-Aidan9382-20240924162900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Your fix seems to have worked Tom. Where do you still see the error? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240924074400-Tom.Reding-20240923153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oops, I forgot to create/check <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Lithuania/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Lithuania/sandbox">Template:WikiProject Lithuania/sandbox</a>... Excellent! ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240924102900-MSGJ-20240924074400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Simplification" data-mw-thread-id="h-Simplification-Tracking_category_proposed-20240925121900">Simplification</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Simplification">edit</a>]</div> @<a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a>: please check this possible simplification <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1247687284">[1]</a> — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240925121900-Simplification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This version also has the advantage of not falsely flagging <a href="/wiki/Talk:100%25_(band)" title="Talk:100% (band)">Talk:100% (band)</a> — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240925122700-MSGJ-20240925121900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Interesting...using the loop method, <code>banner_name_escaped:gsub()</code> was the problem, since it's equivalent to <code>string.gsub()</code>, which returns a '<a href="/wiki/Specials_(Unicode_block)" title="Specials (Unicode block)">�</a>' when trying to match the literal '%'. <code>mw.ustring.gsub()</code> however, behaves as expected, returning '%%'. This distinction goes away when using a custom <code>[set]</code> though, and all of those 3 gsub calls return the desired '%%'.</dd> <dd>I generally don't like using <code>mystring:gsub()</code>, since I can't be bothered to remember which <code>.gsub</code> it's calling, and sometimes it matters. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240925142400-MSGJ-20240925122700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>The <code>[set]</code> method is definitely faster and less error-prone, so win-win. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240925142500-MSGJ-20240925122700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Processing_pass_done" data-mw-thread-id="h-Processing_pass_done-Tracking_category_proposed-20240929032500">Processing pass done</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Processing pass done">edit</a>]</div> I've done a pass through of <a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_placed_outside_the_banner_shell" title="Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell">Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell</a> and have cut the number down by about half. Most of the remaining entries are pages where the syntax for a banner is inside <nowiki> tags (e.g. to use as examples in talk page discussions). <a href="/wiki/User:Harryboyles" title="User:Harryboyles">Harryboyles</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Harryboyles-20240929032500-Processing_pass_done" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks Harry. I think we can remove the ones inside nowiki or html comments, by using <a href="/wiki/Module:Wikitext_Parsing" title="Module:Wikitext Parsing">Module:Wikitext Parsing</a>. I will experiment in the sandbox — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240929180300-Harryboyles-20240929032500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. This module is not so good on performance, so perhaps when we have cleared out this category we should stop checking for this — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241007202900-MSGJ-20240929180300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_placed_outside_the_banner_shell" title="Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell">Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell</a> has been cleared. Thanks guys! — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241009114200-Processing_pass_done" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="auto_doc_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-auto_doc_category-20240528112700">auto doc category</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: auto doc category">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Can <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|DOC=auto</code> also add the template to the project category? Either <code>Category:WikiProject <var style="padding-right: 1px;">project</var></code> or <code>Category:WikiProject <var style="padding-right: 1px;">project</var> templates‎</code> category. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240528112700-auto_doc_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Don't see any reason not to do this. Will sort in the next couple of days — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240602153500-Gonnym-20240528112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Do you want it to check to see if <code>Category:WikiProject <var style="padding-right: 1px;">project</var> templates‎</code> exists first. If so use it, otherwise use <code>Category:WikiProject <var style="padding-right: 1px;">project</var></code>? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240604082400-Gonnym-20240528112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, I think it's best to place it in the templates category if it exists. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240604083000-MSGJ-20240604082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree. That is now coded in the sandbox, and will currently appear on sandbox templates for testing. When deployed it will only categorise the live templates. You can check <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Deaf/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Deaf/sandbox">Template:WikiProject Deaf/sandbox</a> (which does not have a templates category) and <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Cycling/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Cycling/sandbox">Template:WikiProject Cycling/sandbox</a> (which does have a templates category) — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240604085200-Gonnym-20240604083000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Great, looks good! <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240604091900-MSGJ-20240604085200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> there are about 80 templates (see <a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_with_errors" title="Category:WikiProject banners with errors">Category:WikiProject banners with errors</a>) which are not able to populate the project category, because it either doesn't exist or because it is a category redirect. Would you like to review these? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240810120900-auto_doc_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yeah I'm taking a look at these. So far some sent to CfD, RM, or MfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240810122000-MSGJ-20240810120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> most of the GLAM sub projects have a category titled: Category:Wikipedia-<project name> collaboration" (such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia-Philadelphia_Museum_of_Art_collaboration" title="Category:Wikipedia-Philadelphia Museum of Art collaboration">Category:Wikipedia-Philadelphia Museum of Art collaboration</a>). So a template like <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Philadelphia_Museum_of_Art" title="Template:WikiProject Philadelphia Museum of Art">Template:WikiProject Philadelphia Museum of Art</a> that has a <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|PROJECT_LINK=Wikipedia:GLAM/Philadelphia Museum of Art</code> can be placed there. That should remove most pages in the category. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240811113500-MSGJ-20240810120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Or we can just leave them to add the categories manually, as they are currently doing? When you are done reviewing those, I can turn off the tracking — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240811200000-Gonnym-20240811113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Are you finished reviewing these - and can I turn off the tracking, rather than keeping them in the error category indefinitely — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240903192300-Gonnym-20240811113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well I've added some code to the sandbox to support these (if we want), but you could turn it off. I've reviewed most, but I'm not a fan of reviewing categories that can never be cleared as it has me checking things I've already looked at before. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240903230200-MSGJ-20240903192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes that is my concern too - that we can never resolve some of these issues, so they are not actually "errors" — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240904073800-Gonnym-20240903230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Is <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/templatepage/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox</a> ready to deploy or not needed? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241005230400-Gonnym-20240903230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think it's ready for deploy. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241030131700-MSGJ-20241005230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>The CSS should still be moved though. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241030133700-MSGJ-20241005230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CSS_background_colors_need_corresponding_colors_for_dark_mode_compliance" data-mw-thread-id="h-CSS_background_colors_need_corresponding_colors_for_dark_mode_compliance-20240820140500">CSS background colors need corresponding colors for dark mode compliance</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: CSS background colors need corresponding colors for dark mode compliance">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> CSS background colors need <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Lint_errors/night-mode-unaware-background-color" class="extiw" title="mw:Help:Lint errors/night-mode-unaware-background-color">corresponding colors for dark mode</a>. I inserted a fix for at least some of them, but apparently I did not follow process. Sorry about that. I'll leave it to others. If you are sandboxing and troubleshooting, you can see if you have resolved the problems by checking the bottom of the "Page information" page for "Background color inline style rule exists without a corresponding text color" Lint errors. To verify the visual appearance, you can go to the "Appearance" section of the right-hand sidebar in Vector 2022 and choose "Dark" under "Color (beta)". Using <a href="/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates" title="Special:ExpandTemplates">Special:ExpandTemplates</a> is helpful for locating stray instances of CSS background-color defined without a color. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240820140500-CSS_background_colors_need_corresponding_colors_for_dark_mode_compliance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't know much about this, but I added <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Fsandbox%2Fstyles.css&diff=1241481792&oldid=1239829447">this</a> to <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox/styles.css" title="Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css">Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css</a> and then checked at <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_France/testcases" title="Template:WikiProject France/testcases">Template:WikiProject France/testcases</a> but it is still showing as having 2 lint errors, so not sure if that has helped or not. I am using Vector 2022 but I don't see the Appearance section in my browser so can't check that. I notice that there are several other styles which define background-color but not color. Is it safe to use black for all these? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240821120900-Jonesey95-20240820140500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks. If you copy the template call into <a href="/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates" title="Special:ExpandTemplates">Special:ExpandTemplates</a> and then search the resulting wikicode for "back", you should see <div class="mw-highlight mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><td class="assess import import-Unknown" style="background:#DCDCDC">[[:Category:Unknown-importance France articles|???]]</td></pre></div> (which renders the box to the left of "This article has not yet received a rating"). That background needs a corresponding color. There are many instances like this in the code, though some of them exist only with specific combinations of parameters and values. I don't think that all of the background colors are in the templatestyles page, but I could be wrong. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner&diff=1241248384&oldid=1240624202">Here are a couple of places in the code where I matched a "background" assignment with a "color" assignment</a> and was reverted. Assigning "color:black" should be fine until someone wants something more sophisticated in dark mode. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240821141300-MSGJ-20240821120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes but I added color:black to the assess class so that should cover that particular part — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240821181400-Jonesey95-20240821141300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I expect that the Linter is confused about <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|style=</code> defining the background-color while the color is defined in the class. Can the background color be moved to the CSS, or the color be moved to the style? I will also ask our WMF staffer who has been communicating with us about this new Linter flag, because it looks to me as if the td element has both a color and background-color and should not register as an error. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240821203900-MSGJ-20240821181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes I expect we could define all the background colours in the stylesheet rather than in the config file. We would just need to define each class/importance as a separate class. I could look at this if you think it would help — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240822155000-Jonesey95-20240821203900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I haven't had a response yet at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Linter#Apparent_bug_in_dark_mode_Linter_detection" title="Wikipedia talk:Linter">WT:Linter</a>, but it has been less than 24 hours, so some patience is still in order. If you think that moving more styles to the CSS stylesheet is a good long-term move anyway, your development time probably won't be wasted. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240822180700-MSGJ-20240822155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Linter&curid=55873426&diff=1242203731&oldid=1241738720#Apparent_bug_in_dark_mode_Linter_detection">received a response</a> at WT:Linter. I am not sure if it helps; it's not a quick fix for me, but someone may want to have a go at it and fix dark mode for a few million pages. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240904233600-Jonesey95-20240822180700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes we can do this. I can work on it next week perhaps. I have followed up on that thread to clarify something — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240906094100-Jonesey95-20240904233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Just to note that I have made a start on this. The background colors for importance have now been moved into the stylesheet. I will continue with the class colors shortly — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240927140900-CSS_background_colors_need_corresponding_colors_for_dark_mode_compliance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> finished coding this on the sandbox. Would be grateful if you could test it works, and also advise on whether the linter errors have now gone away? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240927220100-MSGJ-20240927140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The sandbox version at <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_France/testcases" title="Template:WikiProject France/testcases">Template:WikiProject France/testcases</a> is reporting zero Linter errors. It appears to be using the sandbox version of all relevant modules and templates, so I think that the new coding is actually being used in the sandbox example cases. I do note a number of appearance changes, including a collapsed section in the sandbox that is not collapsible in the live version, and a note about importance in the sandbox version. I am assuming that those are also desirable changes, along with the color/background-color fixes. Thanks for working on this. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240927221300-MSGJ-20240927220100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you. Yes, the other changes you observe are due to (a) sandbox not in sync with live, and (b) changes to importance we are discussing below — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240928073200-Jonesey95-20240927221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Before deploying this, I would like to check a few details: <ul><li>Is a comma the correct way to give the same definition to two different classes, e.g. <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">.class-fa, .class-fl {background-color: #BED3FF;}</code></li> <li>If a class is used but not defined in the stylesheet, will it give an error or will it just be ignored?</li> <li>If two different classes are used with conflicting styles, will the one which is applied later take precedence?</li></ul> I might think of some more questions — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240928073600-CSS_background_colors_need_corresponding_colors_for_dark_mode_compliance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comma is correct, this is the syntax for a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-3/#grouping">list of selectors</a> - if either selector matches an element, the declaration-list is applied to that element.</dd> <dd>Classes are merely ways of giving convenient labels to one or more elements. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.w3.org/TR/2021/SPSD-html52-20210128/dom.html#element-attrdef-global-class">The HTML 5.2 spec</a> isn't too good on this, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-class">the HTML 4.01 spec</a> is better: <dl><dd>The <samp>class</samp> attribute ... assigns one or more class names to an element; the element may be said to belong to these classes. A class name may be shared by several element instances. The <samp>class</samp> attribute has several roles in HTML: <ul><li>As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign style information to a set of elements).</li> <li>For general purpose processing by user agents.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>So a class name that is used in the page source has no requirement to be used in a style sheet, and vice versa. The same goes for ids.</dd> <dd>Your third question is more complicated. It's partly down to the order in which HTML elements are nested, partly down to the order in the style sheet, and partly down to what is known as <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-3/#specificity">"specificity"</a>. Assume that we have a style sheet like this: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>/* Style sheet example 1 */ .bar { background-color: pink; color: black; } .foo { background-color: lightblue; color: black; } </pre></div> and HTML like this: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span class=foo><span class=bar>Some text</span></span> </pre></div> the words "Some text" will show on a pink background because the element of class <code>bar</code> is nested inside the element of class <code>foo</code>, and the order of the two rules in the style sheet is immaterial. But if we have HTML like this: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span class="foo bar">Some text</span> </pre></div> and style sheet example 1, the words "Some text" will show on a lightblue background; and if we exchange the rules in the style sheet: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>/* Style sheet example 2 */ .foo { background-color: lightblue; color: black; } .bar { background-color: pink; color: black; } </pre></div> the words "Some text" will now show on a pink background because the second rule overrides the first. For these two cases, whether we use HTML example 2 or this: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span class="bar foo">Some text</span> </pre></div> makes no difference, because the order of class names in a <code>class=</code> attribute is immaterial. Now assume that the style sheet is now: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>/* Style sheet example 3 */ span.bar { background-color: pink; color: black; } .foo { background-color: lightblue; color: black; } </pre></div> and using HTML example 2 or 3, the words "Some text" will show on a pink background because the selector of the first rule has higher specificity than the selector of the second rule.</dd> <dd>HTH. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Redrose64-20240928124500-MSGJ-20240928073600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Interesting! I had always assumed that was equivalent to — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240928183300-Redrose64-20240928124500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sometimes, but not always. Consider the rule added in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1248296760" title="Special:Diff/1248296760">this edit</a>. It will be applied to <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span class=wpb><span class=assess>HTML example 4</span></span> </pre></div> which emits "HTML example 4", but not to <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span class="wpb assess">HTML example 5</span> </pre></div> which emits "HTML example 5", or to <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span class=assess><span class=wpb>HTML example 6</span></span> </pre></div> which emits "HTML example 6". This is because the space in the middle of <code>.wpb .assess</code> is a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-3/#descendant-combinators">descendant combinator</a>: in HTML example 4 we have one span that is the descendant of the other, but in HTML example 5 we have only one span, that is of class <code>assess</code> but is not the descendant of any element of class <code>wpb</code>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Redrose64-20240928201200-MSGJ-20240928183300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Pages_using_WikiProject_[insert_project]_with_unknown_parameters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Pages_using_WikiProject_[insert_project]_with_unknown_parameters-20240904002600">Category:Pages using WikiProject [insert project] with unknown parameters</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Category:Pages using WikiProject [insert project] with unknown parameters">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> In <a href="/wiki/Special:WantedPages" title="Special:WantedPages">Special:WantedPages</a>, a lot of the most wanted pages are empty categories for pages that use a WikiProject with unknown parameters. In fact, the most wanted page, with nearly 120,000 pages (most appear to be talk pages) linking to it, is the empty category "Category:Pages using WikiProject Lepidoptera with unknown parameters". Why is that? <a href="/wiki/User:BombCraft8" title="User:BombCraft8">BombCraft8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BombCraft8" title="User talk:BombCraft8">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BombCraft8" title="Special:Contributions/BombCraft8">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-BombCraft8-20240904002600-Category:Pages_using_WikiProject_[insert_project]_with_unknown_parameters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Okay I know why this is happening. This module uses <a href="/wiki/Module:Check_for_unknown_parameters" title="Module:Check for unknown parameters">Module:Check for unknown parameters</a> and we have to tell it a category to use if it finds any unknown parameters. The default category is Category:Pages using WikiProject PROJECT with unknown parameters where PROJECT is the name of the project. But not all these categories exist, so the module checks if it exists first, and if not it will use the generic <a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_templates_with_unknown_parameters" title="Category:WikiProject templates with unknown parameters">Category:WikiProject templates with unknown parameters</a> instead. The link to these categories occurs when it checks for existence. I can't change this behaviour at this module, but I will make a suggestion at <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Check_for_unknown_parameters" title="Module talk:Check for unknown parameters">Module talk:Check for unknown parameters</a> to see if there is something that can be done there — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240904141200-BombCraft8-20240904002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok <a href="/wiki/User:BombCraft8" title="User:BombCraft8">BombCraft8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BombCraft8" title="User talk:BombCraft8">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BombCraft8" title="Special:Contributions/BombCraft8">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-BombCraft8-20240905011900-MSGJ-20240904141200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A fix for this is now in the sandbox — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240905090700-BombCraft8-20240905011900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:BombCraft8" title="User:BombCraft8">BombCraft8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BombCraft8" title="User talk:BombCraft8">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BombCraft8" title="Special:Contributions/BombCraft8">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-BombCraft8-20240905130700-MSGJ-20240905090700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is now deployed, so they should start clearing out of the wanted categories page soon — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240907113700-BombCraft8-20240905130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok, thanks <a href="/wiki/User:BombCraft8" title="User:BombCraft8">BombCraft8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BombCraft8" title="User talk:BombCraft8">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BombCraft8" title="Special:Contributions/BombCraft8">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-BombCraft8-20240907210000-MSGJ-20240907113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> How long should it take for them to clear out on that page? <a href="/wiki/User:Rjjiii" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii" title="User talk:Rjjiii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Rjjiii-20241103055800-BombCraft8-20240907210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DOC=auto_and_inactive_banners" data-mw-thread-id="h-DOC=auto_and_inactive_banners-20240911102300">DOC=auto and inactive banners</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: DOC=auto and inactive banners">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|DOC=auto</code> does not work with inactive banners (see <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_University_of_Florida" title="Template:WikiProject University of Florida">Template:WikiProject University of Florida</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240911102300-DOC=auto_and_inactive_banners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That is true. Would you care you write some documentation for inactive banners that we can use? It would not be very long because most features are disabled. Perhaps some information about inactive projects and how to revive? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240911163900-Gonnym-20240911102300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yeah I'll muse over this weekend. But at the very least, the categorization should still happen for the template. An inactive banner is not placed in the project's category. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240911164300-MSGJ-20240911163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See also {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Reenactment" title="Template:WikiProject Reenactment">WikiProject Reenactment</a>}}. Same problem, I think. It needs documentation and a category. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20240914145500-Gonnym-20240911164300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes I know this needs sorting. Just need some time to look at it ... — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240915081800-Jonesey95-20240914145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> The categorisation is now fixed (I hope!). If someone can write some documentation for inactive banners, this can be added to <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/templatepage" title="Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage">/templatepage</a> — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240923091500-DOC=auto_and_inactive_banners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Bumping this to avoid it being archived. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20241107155500-MSGJ-20240923091500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Still waiting for someone to write the documentation — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241107160600-Jonesey95-20241107155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles-20240916073300">Override importance to NA on non-articles</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Override importance to NA on non-articles">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> There is a suggestion (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/BaranBOT_6" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BaranBOT 6">link</a>) that importance ratings e.g. <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|importance=mid</code> should be ignored on non-articles, like redirects. At the moment the module will automatically apply NA-importance to these pages if no importance is specified, but it will not override a specified importance. What do people think? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240916073300-Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The suggestion makes sense, and overridden pages can be filtered into <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_with_conflicting_importance_ratings&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages with conflicting importance ratings (page does not exist)">Category:Pages with conflicting importance ratings</a>. As long as any WikiProjects that wish to use their own importance scheme can use a custom importance mask, I don't see a problem. I would just be careful about not emptying that category too quickly, to give WikiProjects that do importance-rate #Rs, cats, templates, etc., time to make their own masks. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240916112600-MSGJ-20240916073300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If the rating is ignored, then it doesn't create a conflict. For example if you type <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=C</code> on a redirect, then that will be ignored and it will still be classified as a redirect, and it does not trigger the conflicting ratings category. Should that be the same for ignored importance ratings? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240916115000-Tom.Reding-20240916112600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If any and all WikiProjects that currently use importance on non-articles (idk what that # is) have their importance masks in place, then sure, importance ratings can be ignored. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20240916123800-MSGJ-20240916115000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Are there any projects that currently categorize their redirects by importance? <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240916123700-MSGJ-20240916073300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>None intentionally, as far as I am aware. The only ones I have encountered have been left over from a move or merge of a page. If we did this, it would affect all non-articles, i.e. disambiguation pages, templates, portals, etc. would all get NA-importance automatically. So we should consider projects like <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Templates" title="Template:WikiProject Templates">Template:WikiProject Templates</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Portals" title="Template:WikiProject Portals">Template:WikiProject Portals</a>, etc. which may be tracking the importance of these pages. If they are, then a custom importance mask can be used — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240916134900-Gonnym-20240916123700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What is a custom importance mask? · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20240930040000-MSGJ-20240916134900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Yes, WikiProject Underwater diving classifies redirects with the potential to become full articles with the importance the full article would have, thereby giving anyone who might be considering converting to a full article some idea of whether it would be worth the effort. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20240930044700-Gonnym-20240916123700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> If we are going to do this, then we need the check all possible projects which are tracking non-articles by importance. If there are any, then they need to be switched to a custom importance mask. I will add candidates to check to the table below — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240919080500-Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Project</th> <th>Notes </th></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Flag_Template" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template">WikiProject Flag Template</a></td> <td>Does not have any categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Templates" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates">WikiProject Templates</a></td> <td>Does not have any categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Inline_Templates" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Inline Templates">WikiProject Inline Templates</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Inline_Templates_pages" title="Category:WikiProject Inline Templates pages">Category:WikiProject Inline Templates pages</a> does not use sub-categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_template_sharing" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing">WikiProject template sharing</a></td> <td>Dead project </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation">WikiProject Disambiguation</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Disambiguation_pages" title="Category:WikiProject Disambiguation pages">Category:WikiProject Disambiguation pages</a> does not use sub-categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Redirect">WikiProject Redirect</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Redirect_pages" title="Category:WikiProject Redirect pages">Category:WikiProject Redirect pages</a> does not use importance sub-categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_English_Numeral_Royalty_Redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject English Numeral Royalty Redirect">WikiProject English Numeral Royalty Redirect</a></td> <td>Dead project </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals">WikiProject Portals</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:Portal_pages_by_importance" title="Category:Portal pages by importance">Category:Portal pages by importance</a>. Uses custom code, should not be affected. </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Categories" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories">WikiProject Categories</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Categories_pages" title="Category:WikiProject Categories pages">Category:WikiProject Categories pages</a> does not use its own importance sub-categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Category_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Category sorting">WikiProject Category sorting</a></td> <td>Defunct </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedia_essays" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia essays">WikiProject Wikipedia essays</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_essays_articles_by_importance" title="Category:Wikipedia essays articles by importance">Category:Wikipedia essays articles by importance</a>. Already using custom mask. </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Policy_and_Guidelines" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Policy and Guidelines">WikiProject Policy and Guidelines</a></td> <td>Defunct </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Images_and_Media" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media">WikiProject Images and Media</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Images_and_Media" title="Category:WikiProject Images and Media">Category:WikiProject Images and Media</a> does not use importance sub-categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_Help" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject User Help">WikiProject User Help</a></td> <td>Defunct </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Abandoned_Drafts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts">WikiProject Abandoned Drafts</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Abandoned_Drafts" title="Category:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts">Category:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts</a> does not use importance sub-categories </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Manual of Style">WikiProject Manual of Style</a></td> <td>Defunct </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_Project" title="Wikipedia:Help Project">Help Project</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Category:Help_articles_by_importance" title="Category:Help articles by importance">Category:Help articles by importance</a> has sub categories </td></tr></tbody></table> Okay so we can do this - will look at coding it next week. It will be an opportunity to move away from using {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Importance_mask" title="Template:Importance mask">importance mask</a>}} and use a Lua version instead — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240920135900-Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Proposed code in sandbox — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240924143400-MSGJ-20240920135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Just to confirm. The new version will force NA importance on any non-article, but it will still permit NA to be used on an article. Is this correct? Would it be better to prohibit NA in article space, in which case NA would resolve to Unknown? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240925122400-MSGJ-20240920135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>NA on an article sounds strange. I'd like to see an actual usage where one would set this. It would seem that if an article is NA then it's pretty much not notable for inclusion in Wikipedia (or that the project shouldn't have tagged it). Regarding the other namespaces, any project that wants to give importance to non-articles should have a custom mask? <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240926090900-MSGJ-20240925122400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I tend to agree. NA on an article would not make much sense, and if any project wanted to do that, they should set up a custom mask. — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240926092800-Gonnym-20240926090900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NA_importance_(break)" data-mw-thread-id="h-NA_importance_(break)-Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles-20240926215300">NA importance (break)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: NA importance (break)">edit</a>]</div> Pages like <a href="/wiki/List_of_storms_named_Ningning" title="List of storms named Ningning">List of storms named Ningning</a> which is a set index article, are often assessed with NA-importance. These will become unknown importance if we change this. Is that a problem? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240926215300-NA_importance_(break)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Set index pages should probably be treated like disambiguation pages, unless some projects are actually setting different importance to them. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240926223900-MSGJ-20240926215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Couldn't agree more. I have long argued that set index articles should be classified as disambiguation pages, because that is what 99% of them are. There may be a few real SIAs with actual content, but most are just a collection of links. The easiest way to do this, is make an edit <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Surname/doc&diff=prev&oldid=1187801648">like this</a>, which would convert all the list articles on surnames into disambiguation pages in one swoop. But as you can see I was reverted back in 2023, and many kB of discussion ensued which did not reach a satisfactory conclusion — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240927104200-Gonnym-20240926223900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Another option is to have a list like <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation/templates" title="Module:Disambiguation/templates">Module:Disambiguation/templates</a> for <a href="/wiki/Category:Set_index_article_templates" title="Category:Set index article templates">Category:Set index article templates</a> so the module can detect them. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240927105400-MSGJ-20240927104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>We already have that list and can detect them. But the problem is that set index articles are supposed to be articles and shouldn't be getting NA importance — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240927110500-Gonnym-20240927105400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well in that case, an article shouldn't get NA importance and should get categorized as unknown (though again, I personally think they should be detected as set index and set to NA). <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240927112700-MSGJ-20240927110500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If we make this change I anticipate some queries/complaints along the lines of "why can't I set NA importance for this set index article?" I think we are taking the reasonable and appropriate action, but the mis-classification of SIAs continues to cause problems ... To reduce confusion, let's keep the possibility of assessing articles with NA-importance for now. If the SIA/disambig issue is ever sorted properly, we can revisit this — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240927140400-Gonnym-20240927112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240928215700-NA_importance_(break)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] Hang on a bit here. WikiProject Underwater diving uses importance on redirects to indicate which could/should reasonably be converted to full articles some day, and how important the topic is to the project. Are you classifying redirects as non-articles? How will we visibly indicate which redirects are potentially articles and which are not? · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20240930034500-NA_importance_(break)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, all redirects are classified as non-articles. We can set up a custom importance mask for your project, and you can continue to assess importance in any way you wish — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240930075600-Pbsouthwood-20240930034500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That seems an entirely reasonable option, thanks for your response. My template coding skills are rudimentary, so I may have to come bck with some questions about how it works if I don't manage to get it to do what is needed. Cheers · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20240930145400-MSGJ-20240930075600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It's already done. So you won't need to edit it, unless you want to make any other changes — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240930151200-Pbsouthwood-20240930145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, thanks, I understand, and don't expect any problems or need for changes, but you never know... · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20240930152900-MSGJ-20240930151200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_Underwater_diving/importance&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:WikiProject Underwater diving/importance (page does not exist)">Template:WikiProject Underwater diving/importance</a>. This should now be handling importance the same way it was before — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240930080200-Pbsouthwood-20240930034500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> It looks like the change has caused some issues with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RATER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RATER">WP:RATER</a>, in that it is now impossible for the script to assign values to importance other than NA to all articles, not just set index and redirects (see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evad37/rater.js#It_is_no_longer_possible_to_assign_an_importance_to_a_redirect" title="User talk:Evad37/rater.js">talk page discussion there</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Reconrabbit" title="User:Reconrabbit">Recon</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reconrabbit" title="User talk:Reconrabbit">rabbit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Reconrabbit-20240930173800-NA_importance_(break)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Articles should not be given NA. If it's NA for your project, then your project shouldn't tag that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20240930174300-Reconrabbit-20240930173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's not what they are saying. They are saying that Rater will only allow them to rate NA. I can confirm that I am seeing this too, but need to look into why this might be — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20240930202800-Gonnym-20240930174300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>The change to this module does seem to have mucked up rater. I have no idea why, because the module is working just fine. But perhaps we should consider a partial revert to allow time for @<a href="/wiki/User:Evad37" title="User:Evad37">Evad37</a> to look into this and apply a fix — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241001101700-Reconrabbit-20240930173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That seems a prudent response, Rater is quite heavily used and there in no great urgency for this change, Cheers, · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20241001122800-MSGJ-20241001101700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have reverted the change to the importance mask (although I still can't think of any way this could have an impact). Please let me know if you notice an improvement to rater? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241001173800-Pbsouthwood-20241001122800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It allows an importance to be allocated to a redirect for Wikiproject underwater diving, so OK on that count. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20241002052900-MSGJ-20241001173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>I'm just going to toss in a general comment that supports allowing projects to tag the importance of Drafts and Redirects. In the former situation, I will find drafts from the New Article reports and tag them appropriately with all of the desired details. Then when someone reviews it, that editor only has to assign a quality rating. I find that well-meaning people don't always know what importance to assign when they aren't active members of a project, and I'll have to go tweak the rating later. Also, the importance rating can serve as an indicator of which drafts should get attention to push them across the finish line as articles.</dd> <dd>As for redirects, it's similar. Some redirects have possibilities for expansion into future articles, and if we can rate them by importance now, it gives some indication on which should be prioritized over others. Not every project may see the utility in this, but some will. Removing this possibility across the board disallows projects to use this potential tool. <a href="/wiki/User:Imzadi1979" title="User:Imzadi1979">Imzadi 1979</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imzadi1979" title="User talk:Imzadi1979"><big>→</big></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Imzadi1979-20241002182700-Reconrabbit-20240930173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree on both counts, but this tends to be different for different projects. Some do not allocate an importance at all, others find it a useful tool. I would suggest that only non-articles that have the potential to become articles can usefully be allocated an importance, and all others should probably be rated as NA, while all actual articles should have a non-NA rating if the project allocates importance. If the project does not allocate importance, then no importance should be the only and automatic rating, and no options are needed. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20241003040800-Imzadi1979-20241002182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Importance for drafts and redirects (and userspace drafts?) sounds reasonable for the reasons stated. I guess it depends on how many projects are actually doing this. If it's common, then we should support this as standard. It it's niche, then those projects can easily use a custom mask — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241003172900-Imzadi1979-20241002182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>We now have the green light to reimplement this change. So we need to decide whether to allow importance ratings for certain non-articles, e.g. redirects and drafts, or treat all non-articles as NA. Does anyone else have any opinions on this, or should we try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:COUNCIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:COUNCIL">WT:COUNCIL</a>? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241005225800-Imzadi1979-20241002182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NA_importance_(break_2)" data-mw-thread-id="h-NA_importance_(break_2)-Override_importance_to_NA_on_non-articles-20241006093300">NA importance (break 2)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: NA importance (break 2)">edit</a>]</div> Just to make sure that everyone is board with this change, the table below clarifies the proposed output in different scenarios, as I understand it — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241006093300-NA_importance_(break_2)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>looks ok to me. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20241006130100-MSGJ-20241006093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is now coded on the sandbox — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241007120100-Pbsouthwood-20241006130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. Diving should now be able to go back to the standard importance mask (unless there is anything else non-standard that you want to do) — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241007203100-Pbsouthwood-20241006130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Does that require any action from us? · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood">(talk)</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Pbsouthwood-20241009053900-MSGJ-20241007203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Page type </th> <th>Valid input, e.g. "mid" </th> <th>Invalid/blank input </th> <th>Input "na" </th></tr> <tr> <th>Articles </th> <td>Mid </td> <td>Unknown </td> <td>NA<a href="#cite_note-1">[a]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th>Redirects & drafts </th> <td>Mid<a href="#cite_note-2">[b]</a> </td> <td>NA </td> <td>NA </td></tr> <tr> <th>All other pages </th> <td>NA </td> <td>NA </td> <td>NA </td></tr></tbody></table> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> Notes <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist reflist-lower-alpha"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a> For the purpose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIA">SIAs</a>, it will still be possible to rate articles as NA importance, for now. </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a> Redirects and drafts are potential articles, so projects may wish to rate them by importance. </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:WAP" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:WAP-20241001193800">Template:WAP</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Template:WAP">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Not sure about <a href="/wiki/Template:WAP" title="Template:WAP">Template:WAP</a> since the project isn't on this wiki, but if this should be kept, it should probably be converted to use this module (and renamed). <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241001193800-Template:WAP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Perhaps soft-redirects off-wiki should be set up at the standard WPP locations -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.246.77" title="Special:Contributions/65.92.246.77">65.92.246.77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.92.246.77" title="User talk:65.92.246.77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-65.92.246.77-20241019224600-Gonnym-20241001193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Do you mean on-wiki? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241020133200-65.92.246.77-20241019224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, otherwise, the module wouldn't find the correct pages. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.246.77" title="Special:Contributions/65.92.246.77">65.92.246.77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.92.246.77" title="User talk:65.92.246.77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-65.92.246.77-20241020180600-MSGJ-20241020133200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="listas" data-mw-thread-id="h-listas-20241002202600">listas</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: listas">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Is there a way to set separate sort keys for different wikiprojects? I get the general sortkey from {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WPBS" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WPBS">WPBS</a>}}, but that doesn't always seem the best for each wikiproject contained within -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.246.77" title="Special:Contributions/65.92.246.77">65.92.246.77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.92.246.77" title="User talk:65.92.246.77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-65.92.246.77-20241002202600-listas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No, it just uses DEFAULTSORT which sets the sort key for all categories — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241002204800-65.92.246.77-20241002202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>The standard doc follows below. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Redrose64-20241002213400-65.92.246.77-20241002202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>listas – This parameter, which is the equivalent of the <a href="/wiki/Help:Category#Default_sort_key" title="Help:Category">DEFAULTSORT sortkey</a> that should be placed on all biographical articles, is a sortkey for the article talk page (e.g. for John Smith, use <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|listas=Smith, John</code> so that the talk page will show up in the S's and not the J's of the various assessment and administrative categories). This is important because it is one source used by those who set DEFAULTSORT on the article; consider also setting the DEFAULTSORT for the article when setting this parameter. For more information about this, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#Ordering_names_in_a_category" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categorization of people">Wikipedia:Categorization of people § Ordering names in a category</a>. If the article is using {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_banner_shell" title="Template:WikiProject banner shell">WikiProject banner shell</a>}} then it is preferable to add <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|listas=</code> to that template instead of a project banner template. Putting the parameter on more than one template is not required.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_a_way_to_set_a_task_force_as_inactive_within_this_module?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_a_way_to_set_a_task_force_as_inactive_within_this_module?-20241003171400">Is there a way to set a task force as inactive within this module?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Is there a way to set a task force as inactive within this module?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> See <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WikiProject_Cricket#edittemplateprotected" title="Template talk:WikiProject Cricket">Template talk:WikiProject Cricket#edittemplateprotected</a>, where an editor says <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket/Somerset_cricket_task_force" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Somerset cricket task force">Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Somerset cricket task force</a> is inactive now. Should be marked as inactive in the banner as well.</q> I did not see a way to do this in the documentation. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Jonesey95-20241003171400-Is_there_a_way_to_set_a_task_force_as_inactive_within_this_module?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have seen this done in a variety of ways, but not sure what the neatest method is — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241004115600-Jonesey95-20241003171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="invert_parenthesis_on_inactive_WikiProject_bubble" data-mw-thread-id="h-invert_parenthesis_on_inactive_WikiProject_bubble-20241009181100">invert parenthesis on inactive WikiProject bubble</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: invert parenthesis on inactive WikiProject bubble">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">User:Matrix</a> made <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:WikiProject_banner/styles.css&diff=prev&oldid=1250151568">this edit</a> without any discussion whatsoever. Can you explain what this does, and can you ensure you discuss changes to widely used modules in future? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241009181100-invert_parenthesis_on_inactive_WikiProject_bubble" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: wait I thought I did that in the sandbox module... sorry for being stupid. It was supposed to invert the parenthesis on the text "(inactive)" in the banner for inactive wikiprojects. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241009181300-MSGJ-20241009181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't think it works. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241009181300-Matrix-20241009181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>You want <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox/styles.css" title="Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css">Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css</a> then. We don't play around on a module with 11 million transclusions! — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241009182600-Matrix-20241009181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: calm down mate it was an honest error :/ —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241009184100-MSGJ-20241009182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: All right, I got it working now and checked with testcases, everything looks fine to you? —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241009190300-MSGJ-20241009182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please explain what "invert parenthesis" means? I cannot see any difference on the testcases — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241010120300-Matrix-20241009190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm curious as well. I created {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Occupations/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Occupations/sandbox">WikiProject Occupations/sandbox</a>}}, since that was the first inactive WP that came to mind. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241010133700-MSGJ-20241010120300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a>: you can't see any difference between the sandbox and live versions because the templatestyles on the sandbox version also applies to the live version on that page. At the bottom of the testcases you can see the parenthesis saying "(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INACTIVEWP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INACTIVEWP">inactive</a>)" is correctly coded as white, whilst on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Logos" title="Wikipedia talk:Logos">WT:Logos</a> it's black during dark mode, because usually the WikiProject bubble is not inverted in dark mode. However in this case it should be black. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241010163400-MSGJ-20241010120300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I see no difference between <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/testcases#Inactive_WikiProject" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/testcases">the testcase</a> & <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Logos" title="Wikipedia talk:Logos">Wikipedia talk:Logos</a>. Which skin(s) does your change affect? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241010172700-Matrix-20241010163400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a>: Are you using Vector 2022 dark mode as was specified earlier? —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241010181800-Tom.Reding-20241010172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>: I'm using Vector 2010, but I opened those pages in Vector 2022 and still see no change between any of those banners in both light and dark modes. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241011173400-Matrix-20241010181800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a>: I created an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://imgur.com/a/ETHb18R">Imgur</a> for you. Look carefully at the parenthesis saying "inactive". First is WT:Logos, second is testcases. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241011173900-Tom.Reding-20241011173400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm using Vector 2022 and I went to dark mode but what I'm seeing does not match the image on that link. On mine the brackets are white (just like your second image) and it looks fine — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241012074700-Matrix-20241011173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: mb I didn't see this comment (next time pls ping me as my signature says). Which page did you visit? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Logos" title="Wikipedia talk:Logos">WT:Logos</a> or testcases. The problem is in testcases due to templatestyles applying everywhere and not just the sandbox due to <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155813#2996589" class="extiw" title="phab:T155813">phab:T155813#2996589</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>c</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241030111100-MSGJ-20241012074700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: Any objections to implementing this edit? —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241011191100-MSGJ-20241010120300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>implementing now —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">user</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">talk?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>contributions</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241016160000-Matrix-20241011191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You still haven't explained what this does. We can't see any difference on the test cases — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241016164700-Matrix-20241016160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've explained this at <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#c-Matrix-20241010181800-Tom.Reding-20241010172700">Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241010181800-Tom.Reding-20241010172700</a>. Due to the way templatestyles works, the css rule would apply to the whole testcases page not just the sandbox version. You could view an archive of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Logos" title="Wikipedia talk:Logos">WT:Logos</a> to see the difference. —<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>c</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241030111400-MSGJ-20241016164700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>I see you went ahead with this change, despite unanswered questions from myself and Tom.Reding on this talk page — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241017171200-Matrix-20241016160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: I assume Tom.Reding had no issues with the edit since he thanked my reply. I simply overlooked your reply as it got lost in the swathe of comments. Next time please ping. —<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>c</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241030111300-MSGJ-20241017171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>: the thank you was for the imgur, which at least showed the problem we were unable to reproduce, not a validation of your change. We still don't know the root cause, only that your change papered over it. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241030120100-Matrix-20241030111300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a>: The root cause of the black parenthesis is the following code: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>.wpb-header-bubbles { border-radius: .5em; padding: 0 .3em; margin-left: 0.5em; white-space: nowrap; font-weight: normal; color: black; } </pre></div> This code is here so the little bubbles that say "C‑class" and "B-class", etc are in black even in dark mode. But the text saying "(inactive)" is also a member of wpb-header-bubbles so the parenthesis is also black, which is undesirable. My change to the css therefore has a higher specificity and overrides the previous code, making the parenthesis white. Hope this helps. —<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>c</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241030125500-Tom.Reding-20241030120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Just to be clear, in the image example you gave, is the top after your change or the bottom? <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241030131600-Matrix-20241030125500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Bottom is after my change. —<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!) ping onewhen replying {<a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><s>useless</s>c</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Matrix-20241030165900-Gonnym-20241030131600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Importance_assessment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Importance_assessment-20241025162500">Importance assessment</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Importance assessment">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Would it be possible to make a way to suppress the importance assessment of List-class articles to Low-importance irregardless of the parameter. Vestrian24Bio (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vestrian24Bio" title="User talk:Vestrian24Bio">TALK</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Vestrian24Bio-20241025162500-Importance_assessment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>For info, this would implement the standard stated at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRICIS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRICIS">WP:CRICIS</a>, as also discussed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_20#Category:FL-Class_cricket_articles_of_Mid-importance" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20">CFD Oct 20</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Fayenatic_london-20241027141700-Vestrian24Bio-20241025162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Yes, in principle you can do this via <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Cricket/importance" title="Template:WikiProject Cricket/importance">Template:WikiProject Cricket/importance</a> but you would need to write your own code, because no other project does anything like this. Do you mean whenever <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=list</code> you will automatically assign low importance, and it would be impossible to override that? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241027214000-Vestrian24Bio-20241025162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, that's the desired outcome. I think the intended question was whether the meta template includes any features to facilitate this, and you have given us the answer to that: No. At least that's clear now, thanks. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Fayenatic_london-20241028210500-MSGJ-20241027214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What we can arrange is for the normalised class value to be passed to the importance mask, then it will be simple enough to write the code to produce the desired result — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241028211200-Fayenatic_london-20241028210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Should be working on <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Cricket/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Cricket/sandbox">Template:WikiProject Cricket/sandbox</a>, if you'd like to test it. A small change to the meta module will be needed, then we can deploy to your live template — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241028212100-Fayenatic_london-20241028210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic london</a>: if you still want to do this, then you can deploy that sandbox code and it should work fine now — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241110205900-Fayenatic_london-20241028210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>: thank you! Please clarify, do I just need to insert <code>|IMPORTANCE_SCALE = subpage</code>, rather than the latest sandbox version by Vestrian24Bio? Also, to implement <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRICIS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRICIS">WP:CRICIS</a>, I think the second line in <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Cricket/importance" title="Template:WikiProject Cricket/importance">Template:WikiProject Cricket/importance</a> should be |Low rather than |NA. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Fayenatic_london-20241110222300-MSGJ-20241110205900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You're quite right, I've changed the 2nd line to Low. And it's <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|IMPORTANCE_SCALE=subpage</code> that you need. No idea what @<a href="/wiki/User:Vestrian24Bio" title="User:Vestrian24Bio">Vestrian24Bio</a> is doing in the sandbox. They seem to be adding a million task forces — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241111103600-Fayenatic_london-20241110222300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The sandbox version is to add the newly created taskforces and some new notes as well. Vestrian24Bio (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vestrian24Bio" title="User talk:Vestrian24Bio">TALK</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Vestrian24Bio-20241111123400-MSGJ-20241111103600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Module_work_before_next_sync" data-mw-thread-id="h-Module_work_before_next_sync-20241030143800">Module work before next sync</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Module work before next sync">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> The following pages are pages I've done work on or are not synced with live version. I'd appreciate if anyone can check my work to see if I missed something. <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Fsandbox&diff=1254331103&oldid=1253980906">changes</a>) <ul><li>Modified the class usage check to catch non-article usages of the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=</code> parameter and add them to the redundant_class category.</li> <li>Converted two hardcoded categories to use the config file.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/config/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/config/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/config/sandbox</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Fconfig%2Fsandbox&diff=1254331059&oldid=1252932712">changes</a>) <ul><li>Added the two hardcoded category names to the config file.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/templatepage/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Ftemplatepage%2Fsandbox&diff=1254336276&oldid=1239368643">changes</a>) <ul><li>Added automatic category to templates of Wikipedia:GLAM, which were using a different naming convention.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell/sandbox" title="Module:Banner shell/sandbox">Module:Banner shell/sandbox</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ABanner_shell%2Fsandbox&diff=1254317667&oldid=1254137578">changes</a>) <ul><li>Standardized blp usage.</li> <li>Added a check for blp usage to make sure it is in sync with the main page category.</li> <li>Moved related blp strings to config file.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell/config/sandbox" title="Module:Banner shell/config/sandbox">Module:Banner shell/config/sandbox</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ABanner_shell%2Fconfig%2Fsandbox&diff=1254311299&oldid=1252954631">changes</a>) <ul><li>Added blp strings to config file.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox/styles.css" title="Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css">Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ComparePages&page1=Module%3AWikiProject+banner%2Fstyles.css&page2=Module%3AWikiProject+banner%2Fsandbox%2Fstyles.css">changes</a>; not mine)</li></ol> Additionally, the following pages have inline CSS (search for "TODO") that should be moved to the .css file before next sync. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/auxiliary/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/auxiliary/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/auxiliary/sandbox</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/templatepage/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell/sandbox" title="Module:Banner shell/sandbox">Module:Banner shell/sandbox</a></li></ul> This file also has a TODO that should be solved: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox/styles.css" title="Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css">Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox/styles.css</a></li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241030143800-Module_work_before_next_sync" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is quite a lot to look at here, so may take me a while ... I don't agree with these "TODO" tasks that you are adding in the code. You can make the fixes yourself but it's not fair to try to make others do it — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241031171900-Gonnym-20241030143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>We can't and shouldn't have two sources which we take information from. Since the .css file and the config file were created (not by me), the css and any config related data should be there. The tags are in the /sandbox and not in the live version. No one is forced to do the work, but the tag should still stay there, as it's completely correct. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241031173100-MSGJ-20241031171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>RE 1, is it really worthwhile tracking redundant class values which are ignored anyway? I can't really see the benefit and I can see some drawbacks. For example, an article is rated Stub-class and is moved to Draft namespace. If this class is removed then when/if the article is moved back to mainspace the rating would be lost. Why don't we continue to ignore these class parameters? They are not doing any harm — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241101222800-Gonnym-20241030143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's a good argument for excluding draft space, but this would be useful for most !mainspace areas, like categories, templates, files, etc. Could a small list of excluded namespaces be used instead of a blanket-!mainspace conditional? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241102105100-MSGJ-20241101222800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Okay I suppose I could get behind this if User and Draft namespaces were excluded. These are the ones which are potential articles — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241103095000-Tom.Reding-20241102105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>RE 2, okay fine. The reason I did not do this before, is this is intended to be a temporary tracking category. As soon as we have caught all the listas values then we can remove this completely and they will be tracked by unknown parameter categories. — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241101223100-Gonnym-20241030143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>RE 3, <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241101223500-Gonnym-20241030143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>RE 4, some problems here. For example the blp status would never get past the living check so activepol would never be looked at. I have removed the "dead" status for now to fix this, but have not had a chance to look at the category checking code yet. The category <a href="/wiki/Category:Deaths" title="Category:Deaths">Category:Deaths</a> is not used, so I don't think that will work. I think all this code should be removed until there is a better plan of what we want to achieve and how to do it — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241101230500-Gonnym-20241030143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>RE 5, see 4. RE 6, there are no changes to review here — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241101230800-Gonnym-20241030143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Featured_page_status" data-mw-thread-id="h-Featured_page_status-20241030154600">Featured page status</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Featured page status">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I was looking at <a href="/wiki/File_talk:For_the_First_Time_in_Forever_A_Frozen_Sing-Along_Celebration_Logo.jpg" title="File talk:For the First Time in Forever A Frozen Sing-Along Celebration Logo.jpg">File talk:For the First Time in Forever A Frozen Sing-Along Celebration Logo.jpg</a> which is marked as a FM, but it isn't, and was wondering if we can have the bot handle these like it handles <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_vital_articles_needing_attention" title="Category:Wikipedia vital articles needing attention">Category:Wikipedia vital articles needing attention</a>. It could go over the pairs of (or if there is a better way): <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Featured_articles" title="Category:Featured articles">Category:Featured articles</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_articles" title="Category:Wikipedia featured articles">Category:Wikipedia featured articles</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Featured_lists" title="Category:Featured lists">Category:Featured lists</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_lists" title="Category:Wikipedia featured lists">Category:Wikipedia featured lists</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Featured_pictures" title="Category:Featured pictures">Category:Featured pictures</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_pictures" title="Category:Wikipedia featured pictures">Category:Wikipedia featured pictures</a> (which currently isn't populated for some reason)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Good_articles" title="Category:Good articles">Category:Good articles</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_good_articles" title="Category:Wikipedia good articles">Category:Wikipedia good articles</a></li></ul> It should sync the talk page with the non-talk page version, with the non-files it could either lower one level down or completely remove the class value leaving it for editors to fill in. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241030154600-Featured_page_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Would it better to populate a tracking category, rather than attempting to automatically change the rating? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241104122900-Gonnym-20241030154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Auto_classifying_SIAs_as_List-class" data-mw-thread-id="h-Auto_classifying_SIAs_as_List-class-20241101083500">Auto classifying SIAs as List-class</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Auto classifying SIAs as List-class">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Currently a proposal under discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Assess_set_index_and_WikiProject_Lists_based_on_category_as_lists" title="Wikipedia:Bot requests">Wikipedia:Bot requests#Assess set index and WikiProject Lists based on category as lists</a> to automatically classify set index articles as List-class. See also <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner/Archive_14#More_page_types" title="Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 14">Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 14#More page types</a> for a previous proposal along similar lines — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241101083500-Auto_classifying_SIAs_as_List-class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>First attempt at code is on the sandbox. Demonstration below — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241107223000-MSGJ-20241101083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a>: FYI — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241107223100-MSGJ-20241101083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1242799168">.mw-parser-output .banner-shell{border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:4px}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell-header{text-align:center;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner{padding:2px 4px;background:#fffaef;color:inherit;border:1px dotted gray}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner{background:#2e2505}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner{background:#2e2505}}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell .tmbox{margin:2px 0;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell .tmbox.mbox-small{line-height:1.5em;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner .banner-shell-outside{display:none}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .wpbs{width:80%}}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .assess{width:60px;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-header{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em 0.25em 0}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-header{display:table-row}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb:not(.mw-collapsed) .wpb-header-icon a{display:none}</style><table role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice banner-shell wpbs mw-collapsible"><tbody><tr><td class="assess"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_list_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="List-Class set index article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/35px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="36" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/53px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/70px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></td><td class="banner-shell-header" style="text-align:left;font-weight:normal">This set index article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_assessment" title="Wikipedia:Content assessment">content assessment</a> scale. It is of interest to the following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject">WikiProjects</a>:</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="banner-shell-inner outercollapse"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1255007980">.mw-parser-output .wpb-header,.mw-parser-output .wpb-metadata,.mw-parser-output .wpb-iefix{display:none}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-name{text-align:right;padding:0.3em 1em 0.3em 0.3em;width:50%;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-assessment{text-align:left;width:50%;padding:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-combined{text-align:left;padding:0.3em 0.3em 0.3em 0;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-bubbles{border-radius:.5em;padding:0 .3em;margin-left:0.5em;white-space:nowrap;font-weight:normal;color:black}.mw-parser-output .wpb-nested-task-force{font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output 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icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/35px-Flag_of_France.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/53px-Flag_of_France.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/70px-Flag_of_France.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_France" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject France">France</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_France/Paris" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Paris">Paris</a> List‑class</td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_France.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/50px-Flag_of_France.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="33" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/75px-Flag_of_France.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/100px-Flag_of_France.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></td><td class="mbox-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1259569809">.mw-parser-output .portalbox{padding:0;margin:0.5em 0;display:table;box-sizing:border-box;max-width:175px;list-style:none}.mw-parser-output .portalborder{border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:0.1em;background:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-entry{display:table-row;font-size:85%;line-height:110%;height:1.9em;font-style:italic;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-image{display:table-cell;padding:0.2em;vertical-align:middle;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-link{display:table-cell;padding:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em;vertical-align:middle}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .portalleft{clear:left;float:left;margin:0.5em 1em 0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .portalright{clear:right;float:right;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em}}</style><ul role="navigation" aria-label="Portals" class="noprint portalbox portalborder portalright"> <li class="portalbox-entry"><img alt="flag" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/32px-Flag_of_France.svg.png" decoding="async" width="32" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/48px-Flag_of_France.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/64px-Flag_of_France.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/><a href="/wiki/Portal:France" title="Portal:France">France portal</a></li></ul>This article is within the scope of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_France" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject France">WikiProject France</a>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of <a href="/wiki/France" title="France">France</a> on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_France" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.FranceWikipedia:WikiProject FranceTemplate:WikiProject FranceFrance articles</td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess class-list conflict"><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_France_articles" title="Category:List-Class France articles">List</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PIQA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PIQA">project-independent quality rating</a> in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.</td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-unknown"><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_France_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance France articles">???</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has not yet received a rating on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_France/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr><tr><td><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Taskforce icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG/39px-Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG" decoding="async" width="39" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG/59px-Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG/78px-Paris-TGV-Icon.JPG 2x" data-file-width="486" data-file-height="498"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article is supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_France/Paris" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Paris">the Paris task force</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="wpb-category-box">Categories:<ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_articles_with_conflicting_quality_ratings" title="Category:List-Class articles with conflicting quality ratings">List-Class articles with conflicting quality ratings</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_France_articles" title="Category:List-Class France articles">List-Class France articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_France_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance France articles">Unknown-importance France articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Paris_task_force_articles" title="Category:Paris task force articles">Paris task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_France_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject France pages">All WikiProject France pages</a></li></ul></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Oh, just found what might be an issue -- it looks like the Military History project uses "set index article" as a class. I'm not entirely sure if this template applies to {{Wikiproject banner shell}}, {{Wikiproject <insert wikiproject here>}}, or both. But I think this should ideally affect the banner shell but not the individual wikiproject banners to avoid impacting that. E.g. see <a href="/wiki/Talk:USS_Yorktown" title="Talk:USS Yorktown">Talk:USS_Yorktown</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Mrfoogles-20241108022900-Auto_classifying_SIAs_as_List-class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That shouldn't affect anything. Milhist have their own scale and do their own thing. This change will impact the banner shell and any project using the standard scale. — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241108100400-Mrfoogles-20241108022900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh, that should work then, just making sure <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Mrfoogles-20241108155300-MSGJ-20241108100400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> I have made the necessary changes to <a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell" title="Module:Banner shell">Module:Banner shell</a>. Most of the changes are to this module though, and I still need to test things properly. In the meantime you may see some strange results on SIAs — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241109220900-Auto_classifying_SIAs_as_List-class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This should now be done. Let me know if anything looks wrong — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241110205200-MSGJ-20241109220900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">Martin</a> <a href="/wiki/Talk:Diamide" title="Talk:Diamide">Talk:Diamide</a> seems to be broken, saying that it doesn't need a rating on the content assessment scale <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Mrfoogles-20241110230700-MSGJ-20241110205200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Looks like it works now (Diamide now shows up as list class). Maybe some sort of caching thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Mrfoogles-20241111034400-Mrfoogles-20241110230700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yep, pages might need a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Purge" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Purge">purge</a> — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241111103300-Mrfoogles-20241111034400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:VRT" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:VRT-20241102114200">WP:VRT</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: WP:VRT">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Since it's not a typical WikiProject, {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_VRT" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WikiProject VRT">WikiProject VRT</a>}} <s>displays</s> displayed a red link if placed inside the shell, but a blue link if placed on its own. I created <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_VRT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject VRT">Wikipedia:WikiProject VRT</a> to match the expected WikiProject link, but is it possible to make the template link to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Volunteer_Response_Team" title="Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team">Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team</a> directly when inside the shell? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241102114200-WP:VRT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've added the PROJECT_LINK param. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-WOSlinker-20241102174100-Tom.Reding-20241102114200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've also changed the name to "Volunteer Response Team". VRT means nothing to most people — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241103100700-WOSlinker-20241102174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Bristol_VRT" class="mw-redirect" title="Bristol VRT">Bristol VRT</a>, a British model of double-deck bus chassis. The letters indicate the engine orientation and position (Vertical, Rear, Transverse). I've known about this since about 1980. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Redrose64-20241103134200-MSGJ-20241103100700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Are you a <a href="/wiki/Bus_spotter" class="mw-redirect" title="Bus spotter">bus spotter</a> by any chance? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241104122800-Redrose64-20241103134200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rename" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rename-20241104073000">Rename</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Rename">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Propose renaming <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_WikiProject_banner_shell_without_a_project-independent_quality_rating&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell without a project-independent quality rating (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell without a project-independent quality rating</a> to something like <a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_with_class_parameter_that_needs_moving_to_banner_shell" title="Category:WikiProject banners with class parameter that needs moving to banner shell">Category:WikiProject banners with class parameter that needs moving to banner shell</a> to be more consistent with other tracking categories (and more accurate) — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241104073000-Rename" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>"project-independent quality rating" -> "class parameter" is an improvement.</dd> <dd>The proposed name implies a value needs to moved. What about pages with no class value to move, and no class value in banner shell, on a page requiring a class value? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105112200-MSGJ-20241104073000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What about <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:WikiProject_banners_without_a_class_parameter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:WikiProject banners without a class parameter (page does not exist)">Category:WikiProject banners without a class parameter</a>? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105112600-Tom.Reding-20241105112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>That category is specifically for cases where a class parameter is used by a project banner but there is no class parameter in the banner shell. Usually this means the parameter needs to be moved from the project banner to the banner shell. The current name is quite misleading — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241105123100-Tom.Reding-20241105112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, makes sense then. So pages without a class value will just filter unto various WikiProjects' unassessed cats? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105131400-MSGJ-20241105123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Come to think of it, this is not ideal (deferring to WikiProjects' unassessed cats). Since not all WikiProjects use <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=</code> (109), there needs to be a central repository for unclassified articles, such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:WikiProject_banners_without_a_class_parameter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:WikiProject banners without a class parameter (page does not exist)">Category:WikiProject banners without a class parameter</a>. For example, if an article is tagged with only WikiProjects that don't use <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=</code>, then there is no way to find it if it is unassessed. Even if a class-using WikiProject is present, we should make it easy for editors wanting to classify articles to find them, as opposed to searching through 1000 projects' unassessed cats. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105145700-Tom.Reding-20241105131400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>At the moment {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WPBS" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WPBS">WPBS</a>}} will use <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a> if there are no project banners. But you are right: if there are banners present then it cannot know if they are banners that use assessments or inactive projects (when assessments are deactivated). So there will be some slipping through the net. We could populate something like <a href="/wiki/Category:All_unassessed_articles" title="Category:All unassessed articles">Category:All unassessed articles</a>, if that would be useful. What about articles which are assessed but don't contain any projects using assessments? — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241105152000-Tom.Reding-20241105145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>) - I just noticed <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a>, but the example is still valid:</dd> <dd>Live example: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Jain_Software" title="Talk:Jain Software">Talk:Jain Software</a> is categorized in <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a> due to <code>{{WikiProject banner shell|class=}}</code>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Jain_Software" title="Talk:Jain Software">Talk:Jain Software</a> is removed from <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a> if <code>{{WikiProject banner shell|class=|{{WikiProject AI Cleanup}}}}</code> (for example) is used.</li> <li>The same is true with and without the text "|class=".</li></ul></dd> <dd>So either the logic that populates <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a> needs to be more robust (resilient against non-class WikiProjects), or a new category created that accomplishes the same thing. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105152900-MSGJ-20241105152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I think it's perfectly fine having assessed pages without a project that uses an assessment scale (after all, I think that is the point of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PIQA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PIQA">WP:PIQA</a>). An FA about {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WP_Caves" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WP Caves">WP Caves</a>}} (no <code>{{{class}}}</code>) is still an FA. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105153400-MSGJ-20241105152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I like the idea of a non-diffusing cat like <a href="/wiki/Category:All_unassessed_articles" title="Category:All unassessed articles">Category:All unassessed articles</a> directly containing all unassessed articles, and each of those articles in their respective WikiProject-diffused cats (if they exist) within. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241105154900-MSGJ-20241105152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done I renamed the category. The catch-all category for unassessed articles will need to be done at the banner shell template, so will sandbox something over there — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241112074700-Tom.Reding-20241105154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Coded in <a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell/sandbox" title="Module:Banner shell/sandbox">Module:Banner shell/sandbox</a>. I assume we no longer need to populate <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a> if we are using <a href="/wiki/Category:All_unassessed_articles" title="Category:All unassessed articles">Category:All unassessed articles</a> — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241116173300-MSGJ-20241112074700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sounds good. Either cat is fine, as long as they're not both used. Reusing <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Category:Unassessed articles</a> would probably be less work, but I'll leave that up to you. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241118142700-MSGJ-20241116173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inactive_parameters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inactive_parameters-20241106195000">Inactive parameters</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Inactive parameters">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> @<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a>, regarding <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:WikiProject_banner/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1255719643">this edit</a> to the sandbox module, there is a problem. Now you are passing all sorts of categories like <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|MAIN_CAT=</code> through so these categories will not be suppressed. If you recall, we allowed categories on inactive banners so that tracking categories such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_WikiProject_banners_but_without_a_banner_shell" title="Category:Articles with WikiProject banners but without a banner shell">Category:Articles with WikiProject banners but without a banner shell</a> would work. But now the only way of stopping the other categories is by filtering them out in the <code>p.inactive</code> function. So I think this needs reverting. What was the aim of that change, and maybe there is another way to achieve it — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241106195000-Inactive_parameters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There are many inactive banners with old and unsupported parameters. The code can't check them as we are overriding them. Other than MAIN_CAT, what other category parameter is sent? We can just override it with a blank parameter. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Gonnym-20241107154200-MSGJ-20241106195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>All the quality cats (unless you filter out class), all the importance cats (unless you filter out importance and all tf importances), any TF_MAIN_CAT, ATTENTION_CAT, etc. ... — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241107181600-Gonnym-20241107154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Task_force_importance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Task_force_importance-20241111115100">Task force importance</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Task force importance">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I have been improving the auto documentation for task forces, including adding the importance parameters to TemplateData. I am also proposing to move the configuration settings for the template page and auto doc features into the /templatepage module. The reason is I do not want to alter such a heavily transcluded page (and add to the job queue) whenever we tweak the documentation. See <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/templatepage/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage/sandbox</a> for more — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241111115100-Task_force_importance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Boilerplate_text_for_A-class_reviews" data-mw-thread-id="h-Boilerplate_text_for_A-class_reviews-20241114221900">Boilerplate text for A-class reviews</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Boilerplate text for A-class reviews">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Following a request from WikiProject Military history, I've added some code to <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner/auxiliary/sandbox" title="Module:WikiProject banner/auxiliary/sandbox">Module:WikiProject banner/auxiliary/sandbox</a> for a new parameter <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|ACR_BOILERPLATE=</code> which will create a new A-class review page with a preload template (in this case <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Review/A-Class_review_preload_boilerplate" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review/A-Class review preload boilerplate">Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review/A-Class review preload boilerplate</a>) — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241114221900-Boilerplate_text_for_A-class_reviews" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="{{High-use}}_in_automatic_documentation" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{High-use}}_in_automatic_documentation-20241119145600">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:High-use" title="Template:High-use">High-use</a>}} in automatic documentation</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: {{High-use}} in automatic documentation">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Could {{<a href="/wiki/Template:High-use" title="Template:High-use">High-use</a>}} be added to the automatic documentation if the template appears on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Transclusion_count/data/">the appropriate subpage of Module:Transclusion count/data</a>? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241119145600-{{High-use}}_in_automatic_documentation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Working on <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Christianity/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Christianity/sandbox">Template:WikiProject Christianity/sandbox</a> now — Martin (<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-MSGJ-20241119224600-Tom.Reding-20241119145600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Nice! ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:WikiProject_banner#c-Tom.Reding-20241119225900-MSGJ-20241119224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&oldid=1259345792">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:WikiProject_banner&oldid=1259345792</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Council_pages" title="Category:WikiProject Council pages">WikiProject Council pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_to-do_lists" title="Category:Wikipedia pages with to-do lists">Wikipedia pages with to-do lists</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_with_syntax_highlighting_errors" title="Category:Pages with syntax highlighting errors">Pages with syntax highlighting errors</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 November 2024, at 17:50 (UTC).</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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