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Sections may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 4 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trash_talking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trash_talking-20241119191100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trash_talking-20241119191100"></span>Trash talking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trash_talking-20241119191100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Trash talking"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100-Trash_talking"></span>We can have our disagreements on Wikipedia, but don’t shit talk me. I haven’t done anything to antagonize you and yet you’re mentioning how I got blocked out in public over an edit. I hope we can reach an agreement on the talk page, but try not be such an asshole. <a href="/wiki/User:ErickTheMerrick" title="User:ErickTheMerrick">ErickTheMerrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErickTheMerrick" title="User talk:ErickTheMerrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100-Trash_talking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100-Trash_talking"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100-Trash_talking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241119191200-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100"></span>You've been edit warring across a half dozen articles and refusing to discuss. You got blocked for that, then resumed doing exactly the same thing. And when I point this out, you come on my talk page to make personal attacks. Are you trying to get blocked again? <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241119191200-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241119191200-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241119191200-ErickTheMerrick-20241119191100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800-MrOllie-20241119191200"></span>I am not making a personal attack, I’m asking you to not be so damn antagonistic towards me. I am willing to talk, in fact, I made a talk page specifically on the Austria page to discuss the issue with you. I got mad one day and said I didn't want to talk one time and you used it to get me blocked. I am willing to talk about edits so don’t accuse me of just editing and not discussing them over. <a href="/wiki/User:ErickTheMerrick" title="User:ErickTheMerrick">ErickTheMerrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErickTheMerrick" title="User talk:ErickTheMerrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800-MrOllie-20241119191200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800-MrOllie-20241119191200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800-MrOllie-20241119191200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241119194600-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800"></span>You're actively edit warring across multiple articles right now as you're on my talk page saying you'll discuss. You've got to discuss - with everybody on every article. Calling people an 'asshole' absolutely is a personal attack. I did not get you blocked - you did that yourself by flagrantly ignoring policy even after people warned you about it. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241119194600-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241119194600-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241119194600-ErickTheMerrick-20241119193800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200-MrOllie-20241119194600"></span>I’m not edit warring, at least not anymore. I AM discussing on discussion pages right now too. <a href="/wiki/User:ErickTheMerrick" title="User:ErickTheMerrick">ErickTheMerrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErickTheMerrick" title="User talk:ErickTheMerrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200-MrOllie-20241119194600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200-MrOllie-20241119194600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200-MrOllie-20241119194600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241119195400-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200"></span>Edits like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_French_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1258440509">this one</a> are obvious edit warring. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241119195400-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241119195400-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241119195400-ErickTheMerrick-20241119195200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600-MrOllie-20241119195400"></span>It isn't but wtv. <a href="/wiki/User:ErickTheMerrick" title="User:ErickTheMerrick">ErickTheMerrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErickTheMerrick" title="User talk:ErickTheMerrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600-MrOllie-20241119195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600-MrOllie-20241119195400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600-MrOllie-20241119195400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241119213900-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600"></span>Ok, ignore all the warnings (again), and we'll see what happens (again). <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241119213900-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241119213900-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241119213900-ErickTheMerrick-20241119213600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119214400-MrOllie-20241119213900"></span>Okay buddy. Have a good day <a href="/wiki/User:ErickTheMerrick" title="User:ErickTheMerrick">ErickTheMerrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErickTheMerrick" title="User talk:ErickTheMerrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119214400-MrOllie-20241119213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119214400-MrOllie-20241119213900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErickTheMerrick-20241119214400-MrOllie-20241119213900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part-20241120102200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part-20241120102200"></span>Ancient Greek Lyre - Nowadays part<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part-20241120102200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Ancient Greek Lyre - Nowadays part"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120102200-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part"></span>All links used in the chapter "<a href="/wiki/Lyre" title="Lyre">The ancient Greek seven - string Lyre nowadays</a>" are not promo, as stated, but a proof of evidence supporting the article. More specifically all links are proving that: </p><p>- A solist of the instrument that has a huge contribution of it's revival (<a href="/wiki/Nikos_Xanthoulis" title="Nikos Xanthoulis">Dr. Nikos Xanthoulis</a>) exists. </p><p>- <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kedivim.duth.gr/en/portfolio-items/23824/">Academic studies</a> on learning how to play the ancient Greek seven - string Lyre exist (conservatory of Nikaia and <a href="/wiki/Democritus_University_of_Thrace" title="Democritus University of Thrace">Democritus University of Thrace</a>). </p><p>- A complete <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nikosxanthoulis.com/437081595">learning method</a> of the instrument. </p><p>- Growing repertoire written specificaly for this instrument. </p><p>All above are vital parts in order to revive the ancient Greek lyre and must be included in the wikipedia article to provide information to any user interested on the topic. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120102200-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120102200-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120102200-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120123200-Διήων-20241120102200"></span>It is blatant promo, including inappropriate external links. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT</a> - Wikipedia is not the place to 'spread the word' about such developments, certainly not based on primary sources. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120123200-Διήων-20241120102200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120123200-Διήων-20241120102200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120123200-Διήων-20241120102200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120150200-MrOllie-20241120123200"></span>How exactly academic studies on the top of the ancient Greek lyre, the existence of a learning method after almost two millennia and the revival of the instrument is blatant promo? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120150200-MrOllie-20241120123200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120150200-MrOllie-20241120123200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120150200-MrOllie-20241120123200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120151300-Διήων-20241120150200"></span>The text was plainly added to promote Dr. Xanthoulis and the program in question 100% of the sourcing comes from those entities. Wikipedia needs independent, secondary sources - materials written by people entirely unassociated with Xanthoulis or the University in question. You appear to be associated with this program yourself - you are likely in violation of Wikipedia's terms of use as explained at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">WP:PAID</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120151300-Διήων-20241120150200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120151300-Διήων-20241120150200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120151300-Διήων-20241120150200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120153900-MrOllie-20241120151300"></span>What do you mean the university in question? Do you say that the university is a not existing foundation or you are assuming that the research provided as a verification of the article via academia is not an acceptable source??? I think you underestimate the importance of the revival of the instrument after 1600 years. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120153900-MrOllie-20241120151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120153900-MrOllie-20241120151300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120153900-MrOllie-20241120151300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120154500-Διήων-20241120153900"></span>If you do not understand what a primary source is, or if you have other questions about Wikipedia in general, please consult <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSPRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSPRIMARY">WP:RSPRIMARY</a> and/or follow up at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE">WP:TEAHOUSE</a>. But first, you must address your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120154500-Διήων-20241120153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120154500-Διήων-20241120153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120154500-Διήων-20241120153900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120160100-MrOllie-20241120154500"></span>To begin with there is no conflict of interest here. You are using the term wrong. my only interest on the subject is as a musician and i recentrly discovered the existence of such academic curiculum and I find it exremely important for the instrument and it's story that's why i made the addition. According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">WP:COI</a> article that you were kind enough to share what i posted is not violating anything. No financial or any other benefits are coming from the publication of the existence after 1600 years of academic studies on the ancient Greek Lyre and the story behind it. I really don't get why you keep editing and removing such an important part of the article, even though several links of verification have been provided. You say that the article is promoting the work of Dr. Xanthoulis but it is not doing such a thing, it only recognise his contribution on the revision of an ancient instrument. If you took some minutes to review the links assosiate with this part of the article you could see yourself that they are coming from different sources and all verify the informations i posted. Please consider what I said above before re-editing the article. The revival of this instrument is big news in the musical world. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120160100-MrOllie-20241120154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120160100-MrOllie-20241120154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120160100-MrOllie-20241120154500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120163900-Διήων-20241120160100"></span>If there is no conflict of interest, how did you come to take the photographs you uploaded at <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Firstcirclegraduatesdelphi.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Firstcirclegraduatesdelphi.jpg (page does not exist)">File:Firstcirclegraduatesdelphi.jpg</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:NikosXanthoulisLyreBlackBackground.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:NikosXanthoulisLyreBlackBackground.jpg (page does not exist)">File:NikosXanthoulisLyreBlackBackground.jpg</a>, both of which you tagged as your own work? <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120163900-Διήων-20241120160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120163900-Διήων-20241120160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120163900-Διήων-20241120160100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120164800-MrOllie-20241120163900"></span>I found them from facebook posts in a group about the Greek lyre, I asked permission to post them here and I got it. I did not take the pictures myself. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120164800-MrOllie-20241120163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120164800-MrOllie-20241120163900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120164800-MrOllie-20241120163900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120164800-Διήων-20241120164800"></span>I'll tag them as copyright violations, then, since you uploaded them in error. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120164800-Διήων-20241120164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120164800-Διήων-20241120164800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120164800-Διήων-20241120164800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120165200-MrOllie-20241120164800"></span>No copyright violation, they are posted publically and I have the permision to post them from the owner. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120165200-MrOllie-20241120164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120165200-MrOllie-20241120164800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120165200-MrOllie-20241120164800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120165500-Διήων-20241120165200"></span>Being posted publically is irrelevant. That you have permission is nice, but they need to give Wikipedia permission, you may not freely license images on someone else's behalf. Process for that can be found at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission" title="Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission">Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120165500-Διήων-20241120165200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120165500-Διήων-20241120165200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120165500-Διήων-20241120165200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120164000-Διήων-20241120160100"></span>Also, if this is 'big news in the musical world' that does not explain your use of primary sources. Also, Wikipedia is not a place to spread 'big news', see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a>. You're simply trying to get Wikipedia to do something it is not designed to do. - <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120164000-Διήων-20241120160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120164000-Διήων-20241120160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120164000-Διήων-20241120160100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120165100-MrOllie-20241120164000"></span>I think you have a personal reason for not wanting the informations regarding the ancient Greek lyre in the modern world to be on wikipedia... It is interesting information and there is no reason to not have them in the article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120165100-MrOllie-20241120164000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120165100-MrOllie-20241120164000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120165100-MrOllie-20241120164000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120165600-Διήων-20241120165100"></span>You got me, I have been editing Wikipedia for years in preparation for this moment, keeping your promotion of somebody's musical career and classes off of Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120165600-Διήων-20241120165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120165600-Διήων-20241120165100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120165600-Διήων-20241120165100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Διήων-20241120171000-MrOllie-20241120165600"></span>It's also interesting that you keep bringing up this view on the matter. The edit was about the revival of the ancient Greek lyre. We did not know absolutetly anything about the instrument apart from archaelogical finds. A recreation of the instrument was made possible due to the reaserch work of Mr Xanthoulis (I provided the links from academia with his pappers on the subject as verified proof) and I will say it once more.... after 1600 of silence the ancient Greek lyre is now sounding again and this should be part of the article too. Now regarding the "classes" its an academic program and know that in Greece several universites are public, like the Dimocritus University of Thrace, and they are non-profit institutions. Your arguments are invalid and extremely curious. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Διήων (page does not exist)">Διήων</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AE%CF%89%CE%BD" title="User talk:Διήων">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Διήων-20241120171000-MrOllie-20241120165600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Διήων-20241120171000-MrOllie-20241120165600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Διήων-20241120171000-MrOllie-20241120165600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120171400-Διήων-20241120171000"></span>They might seem curious if you completely fail to engage with their substance - which is that adding material like this based on primary sources is counter to Wikipedia's content policies. It isn't just me - other editors have noticed the same thing, and you are edit warring with them as well to try to force this into Wikipedia. It simply does not belong here. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120171400-Διήων-20241120171000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120171400-Διήων-20241120171000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120171400-Διήων-20241120171000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000-MrOllie-20241120171400"></span>I just googled your wiki name and several articles and post came up saying you are really into edit wars and some even said you are a "paid contributor". The fact that you are bold enough to say that the revival of the ancient greek lyre, the fact that people are again studying it, music is composed for it and even academic studies on the subject exist proves that you are either stubborn or serve your own agenda. I already answered to several accusations of yours and there are no evidence to your claims. My edit is truthful and I have documented it enough to support it. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371">2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000-MrOllie-20241120171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000-MrOllie-20241120171400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000-MrOllie-20241120171400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241120174200-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000"></span>Don't believe every bit of nonsense you find on google. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241120174200-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241120174200-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241120174200-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusterD-20241121121900-MrOllie-20241120174200"></span>Ain't THAT the truth. <a href="/wiki/User:BusterD" title="User:BusterD">BusterD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusterD" title="User talk:BusterD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-BusterD-20241121121900-MrOllie-20241120174200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusterD-20241121121900-MrOllie-20241120174200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusterD-20241121121900-MrOllie-20241120174200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241122070600"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241122070600"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241122070600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Synorem-20241122070600-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-WikiDefender_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Your name seems to appear repeatedly throughout my time on Huggle, the abuse filter log, and just about anywhere disruption occurs. Hats off to you, good sir. <span style="color: #4169E1"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Synorem" title="User:Synorem">Synorem</a></b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Synorem" title="User talk:Synorem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Synorem-20241122070600-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Synorem-20241122070600-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Synorem-20241122070600-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_2024-20241123193700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_2024-20241123193700"></span>November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_2024-20241123193700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"></span>Hello Mr. Ollie! </p><p>I seen that you removed my added text from the article <a href="/wiki/Smoothie_King" title="Smoothie King">"Smoothie King"</a> for the reason of not encompassing a neutral point of view. I'm not looking to conflict with your reasoning, but from the actions you've taken on my edits, I will take your feedback into consideration and revise my changes! To avoid this in the future from other editors, if not yourself, any recommendations you don't mind giving to a neophyte, such as myself, for editing articles on Wikipedia? I have a definitive understanding for some of the required principles (sources, respectable tone, research) for editing on Wikipedia, but now is when I am actually applying them, hoping to avoid extremities! Thanks Mr. Ollie! </p><p><i>~~~~</i>Kelly Carolinian <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kelly_Carolinian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kelly Carolinian (page does not exist)">Kelly Carolinian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kelly_Carolinian" title="User talk:Kelly Carolinian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"></span>My recommendation is to use only independent, secondary sources. Don't use press releases or press-release <a href="/wiki/Churnalism" title="Churnalism">churnalism</a> articles, and particularly do not import wording from press releases into Wikipedia. When you start with promotional sources you are going to end up with promotional results, and that doesn't meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&oldid=1259348756">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&oldid=1259348756</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 November 2024, at 18:11<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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