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If an idea has been removed, someone p[lease put it back, perhaps more clearly. <a href="/wiki/User:Wetman" title="User:Wetman">User:Wetman</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_wikified_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_wikified_links-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_wikified_links-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z"></span>New wikified links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_wikified_links-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: New wikified links"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbdorsett-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z-New_wikified_links"></span>A new user just added square brackets to wikify links. However, it appears that none of the pages exist yet. I hope this is a prelude to the inclusion of new pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbdorsett" title="User:Cbdorsett">Cbdorsett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Cbdorsett-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z-New_wikified_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbdorsett-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z-New_wikified_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbdorsett-2007-02-18T07:54:00.000Z-New_wikified_links"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Grammar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Grammar-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Grammar-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"></span>Grammar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Grammar-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Grammar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z-Grammar"></span>I'm thinking of adding a section on Ugaritic grammar into this article...if that's ok--<a href="/wiki/User:Xevorim" title="User:Xevorim">Xevorim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xevorim" title="User talk:Xevorim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z-Grammar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z-Grammar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z-Grammar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"></span>I have added a section on Ugaritic grammar and will be expanding it hopefully soon.--<a href="/wiki/User:Xevorim" title="User:Xevorim">Xevorim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xevorim" title="User talk:Xevorim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2008-08-27T23:35:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z"></span>Great work! <a href="/wiki/User:Til_Eulenspiegel" title="User:Til Eulenspiegel">Til Eulenspiegel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Til_Eulenspiegel" title="User talk:Til Eulenspiegel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2008-08-27T23:35:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2008-08-27T23:35:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2008-08-27T23:35:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-27T23:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-28T16:19:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"></span>Thank u :)__<a href="/wiki/User:Xevorim" title="User:Xevorim">Xevorim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xevorim" title="User talk:Xevorim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Xevorim-2008-08-28T16:19:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-28T16:19:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xevorim-2008-08-28T16:19:00.000Z-Xevorim-2008-08-25T15:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-31T14:46:00.000Z-Grammar"></span>I think the grammar section is done for now...--<a href="/wiki/User:Xevorim" title="User:Xevorim">Xevorim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xevorim" title="User talk:Xevorim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Xevorim-2008-08-31T14:46:00.000Z-Grammar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xevorim-2008-08-31T14:46:00.000Z-Grammar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xevorim-2008-08-31T14:46:00.000Z-Grammar"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xevorim-2008-09-01T13:55:00.000Z-Grammar"></span>I have redirected the grammar section to a new article, <a href="/wiki/Ugaritic_grammar" title="Ugaritic grammar">Ugaritic grammar</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Xevorim" title="User:Xevorim">Xevorim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xevorim" title="User talk:Xevorim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Xevorim-2008-09-01T13:55:00.000Z-Grammar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xevorim-2008-09-01T13:55:00.000Z-Grammar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xevorim-2008-09-01T13:55:00.000Z-Grammar"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="vowels" data-mw-thread-id="h-vowels-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-vowels-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z"></span>vowels<span data-mw-comment-end="h-vowels-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: vowels"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z-vowels"></span>Main article states both: "The Ugaritic alphabet is a cuneiform abjad (alphabet without vowels), " and "Ugaritic has 28 consonantal phonemes, including two semivowels, and eight vowel phonemes ". I suspect one of these facts is incorrect but I lack any knowledge in this field (perhaps the explanation just needs expanding on to address this apparent contradiction). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/210.48.49.225" title="Special:Contributions/210.48.49.225">210.48.49.225</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:210.48.49.225&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:210.48.49.225 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z-vowels" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z-vowels"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z-vowels"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2012-03-13T23:42:00.000Z-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z"></span>The alphabet doesn't have any vowel letters as such when writing the Ugaritic language (though ʔa, ʔi, ʔu do provide some indication of vowels in a narrow range of circumstances); however, the language of course was pronounced with a number of vowels... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-AnonMoos-2012-03-13T23:42:00.000Z-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2012-03-13T23:42:00.000Z-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2012-03-13T23:42:00.000Z-210.48.49.225-2010-07-01T04:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="update" data-mw-thread-id="h-update-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-update-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z"></span>update<span data-mw-comment-end="h-update-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: update"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mewoone-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z-update"></span>Shouldn't the article be update after the new discovery? <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://my.opera.com/macedonians/blog/?id=10241632">http://my.opera.com/macedonians/blog/?id=10241632</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mewoone&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mewoone (page does not exist)">Mewoone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mewoone" title="User talk:Mewoone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Mewoone-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z-update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mewoone-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z-update"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mewoone-2010-07-06T18:22:00.000Z-update"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AkshayDandekar-2010-07-19T23:01:00.000Z-update"></span>There is another article claiming that the language was deciphered by a computer. Does anyone know about this news or can anyone provide enough info to add to the page? <a href="/wiki/User:AkshayDandekar" title="User:AkshayDandekar">-- Dandekar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AkshayDandekar" title="User talk:AkshayDandekar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-AkshayDandekar-2010-07-19T23:01:00.000Z-update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AkshayDandekar-2010-07-19T23:01:00.000Z-update"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AkshayDandekar-2010-07-19T23:01:00.000Z-update"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abvgd-2010-12-17T08:35:00.000Z-update"></span>There's some more information on this link... If I understand it correctly, Ugaritic was already deciphered by scholars and this was only a demonstration of the potential of this algorithm in deciphering other yet undeciphered languages: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://discovermagazine.com/2011/jan-feb/51">http://discovermagazine.com/2011/jan-feb/51</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abvgd&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abvgd (page does not exist)">Abvgd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abvgd" title="User talk:Abvgd">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Abvgd-2010-12-17T08:35:00.000Z-update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abvgd-2010-12-17T08:35:00.000Z-update"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abvgd-2010-12-17T08:35:00.000Z-update"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problem_in_intro" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_in_intro-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Problem_in_intro-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z"></span>Problem in intro<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Problem_in_intro-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Problem in intro"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z-Problem_in_intro"></span>The lede section now confidently states that Ugaritic has solved the puzzle of Ezekiel's Danel, endorsing it as if a <i>fait accomplis</i>. This is not at all consistent with what one reads if one clicks on the link for <a href="/wiki/Danel" title="Danel">Danel</a>, which is much more even-handed, balanced, compliant with npov, and studiously refrains from non-neutrally endorsing any ones hypothesis, but rather, cautiously attributes each of the schools of thought on this puzzle to its proponents. Furthermore, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEDE">WP:LEDE</a> is supposed to outline the principal facts in the body, but this information appears in the lede. I therefore intend to move this statement out of the lede, and to make it more consistent with the linked, neutral article. <a href="/wiki/User:Til_Eulenspiegel" title="User:Til Eulenspiegel">Til Eulenspiegel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Til_Eulenspiegel" title="User talk:Til Eulenspiegel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z-Problem_in_intro" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z-Problem_in_intro"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Til_Eulenspiegel-2011-08-14T22:49:00.000Z-Problem_in_intro"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z"></span>Oddities in phonological reconstruction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Oddities in phonological reconstruction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction"></span>The use of IPA [ˤ] in reconstructions for Ugaritic is a little odd, since there's no specific evidence that Ugaritic emphatic consonants are pharyngealized (as the Arabic emphatic consonants are). Some scholars would suggest that there's circumstantial evidence that emphatics were <a href="/wiki/Ejective_consonant" title="Ejective consonant">ejective consonants</a> in Canaanite languages, and so likely also in Ugaritic. If the Ugaritic emphatics were ejectives, then they were likely voiceless also, so "[ðˤ]" would then be quite wrong... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-AnonMoos-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 23 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2016-12-23T13:35:00.000Z-Oddities_in_phonological_reconstruction"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dating_of_language_vs_script" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dating_of_language_vs_script-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dating_of_language_vs_script-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Dating of language vs script<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dating_of_language_vs_script-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Dating of language vs script"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z-Dating_of_language_vs_script"></span>The article says that the Ugaritic abjad is known from the 15th C BCE, but the language itself is attested only from the 14th C. These dates are in conflict unless the earliest known use of the script was for a different language. Can anyone shed light on this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Amble" title="User:Amble">Amble</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amble" title="User talk:Amble">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z-Dating_of_language_vs_script" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z-Dating_of_language_vs_script"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z-Dating_of_language_vs_script"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2017-03-18T03:48:00.000Z-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Doesn't make much sense that I can see. According to the article by Dennis Pardee in <i>The Cambridge Encyclopedia of the World's Ancient Languages</i> (<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-521-56256-2" title="Special:BookSources/0-521-56256-2">0-521-56256-2</a>), the language is attested from around 1300-1190 B.C., and the script would be more or less the same (though there are a few isolated Ugaritic-script tablets found outside Ugarit itself). 1300 B.C. is the end of the 14th century B.C. -- not sure how the 15th century B.C. comes into it... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-AnonMoos-2017-03-18T03:48:00.000Z-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 18 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2017-03-18T03:48:00.000Z-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2017-03-18T03:48:00.000Z-Amble-2017-03-14T20:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johundhar-20220803050200-Dating_of_language_vs_script"></span>An alphabet is not a language. Hence a copy of the alphabet may long predate anything actually written with it.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johundhar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johundhar (page does not exist)">Johundhar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johundhar" title="User talk:Johundhar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-Johundhar-20220803050200-Dating_of_language_vs_script" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johundhar-20220803050200-Dating_of_language_vs_script"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johundhar-20220803050200-Dating_of_language_vs_script"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-20220803214500-Johundhar-20220803050200"></span>This may be a good general philosophical point, but it doesn't illuminate anything with respect to Ugaritic. <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ugaritic#c-AnonMoos-20220803214500-Johundhar-20220803050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-20220803214500-Johundhar-20220803050200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-20220803214500-Johundhar-20220803050200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-12-09T10:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-12-09T10:58:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-12-09T10:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ugaritic&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-12-09T10:58:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/Ugaritic" title="Ugaritic">Ugaritic</a>. 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