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data-language-local-name="Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>العربية</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-az mw-list-item"><a href="https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:B%C3%BCrokratlara_m%C3%BCraci%C9%99t" title="Vikipediya:Bürokratlara müraciət – Azerbaijani" lang="az" hreflang="az" data-title="Vikipediya:Bürokratlara müraciət" data-language-autonym="Azərbaycanca" data-language-local-name="Azerbaijani" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Azərbaycanca</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%BE" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:ব্যুরোক্র্যাটদের আলোচনাসভা – Bangla" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:ব্যুরোক্র্যাটদের আলোচনাসভা" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bangla" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>বাংলা</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bg mw-list-item"><a href="https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BA%D1%8A%D0%BC_%D0%B1%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5" title="Уикипедия:Заявки към бюрократите – Bulgarian" lang="bg" hreflang="bg" data-title="Уикипедия:Заявки към бюрократите" data-language-autonym="Български" data-language-local-name="Bulgarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Български</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:N%C3%A1st%C4%9Bnka_byrokrat%C5%AF" title="Wikipedie:Nástěnka byrokratů – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Nástěnka byrokratů" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-el mw-list-item"><a href="https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%A3%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%89%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BF_%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%84%CF%8E%CE%BD" title="Βικιπαίδεια:Σημειωματάριο γραφειοκρατών – Greek" lang="el" hreflang="el" data-title="Βικιπαίδεια:Σημειωματάριο γραφειοκρατών" data-language-autonym="Ελληνικά" data-language-local-name="Greek" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ελληνικά</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C_%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%E2%80%8C%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86" title="ویکی‌پدیا:تابلوی اعلانات دیوان‌سالاران – Persian" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:تابلوی اعلانات دیوان‌سالاران" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="Persian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>فارسی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_bureaucrates" title="Wikipédia:Bulletin des bureaucrates – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Bulletin des bureaucrates" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-he mw-list-item"><a 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Any user is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here. Please <a href="/wiki/Special:NewSection/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard" title="Special:NewSection/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard">start a new section</a> for each topic. </p><p>This is not a forum for grievances. It is a specific noticeboard addressing Bureaucrat-related issues. If you want to know more about an action by a particular bureaucrat, you should first raise the matter with them on their talk page. Please stay on topic, remain <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">civil</a>, and remember to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">assume good faith</a>. Take extraneous comments or threads to relevant talk pages. </p><p>If you are here to report that an RFA or an RFB is "overdue" or "expired", <em style="font-style:normal;text-decoration:underline;">please wait at least 12 hours from the scheduled end time before making a post here about it</em>. There are a fair number of active bureaucrats; and an eye is being kept on the time remaining on these discussions. Thank you for your patience. </p><p>To request that your administrator status be removed, <a href="/wiki/Special:NewSection/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard" title="Special:NewSection/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard">initiate a new section</a> below. </p> <div style="margin-top: 1em;"> <div style="display: inline-block;"> <table class="wikitable" style="float:right; white-space:nowrap; margin-top:0em; margin-bottom:.5em; padding:.5em 0em 0em 1.4em; float: none;"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="2">Crat tasks </th></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">RfAs</a> </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#About_RfB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">RfBs</a> </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Overdue <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#About_RfB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">RfBs</a> </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Overdue <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">RfAs</a> </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval">BRFAs</a> </td> <td>14 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Approved" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Approved">Approved BRFAs</a> </td> <td>0 </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> <div style="display: inline-block; 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vertical-align: top;"><div class="wikipediauserbox" style="float:left;border:1px solid #6b8e23;margin:1px;width:238px"><table role="presentation" style="border-collapse:collapse;width:238px;margin-bottom:0;margin-top:0;background:#9acd32;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><td style="border:0;width:45px;height:45px;background:#ffffff;text-align:center;font-size:8pt;font-weight:bold;color:#000000;padding:0 1px 0 0;line-height:1.25em;vertical-align:middle"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Crystal_Clear_app_kalarm.svg/40px-Crystal_Clear_app_kalarm.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Crystal_Clear_app_kalarm.svg/60px-Crystal_Clear_app_kalarm.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Crystal_Clear_app_kalarm.svg/80px-Crystal_Clear_app_kalarm.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></span></span></td><td style="border:0;text-align:left;font-size:8pt;padding:0 4px 0 4px;height:45px;line-height:1.25em;color:black;vertical-align:middle">It is <b>21:45:25</b> on <b>November 23, 2024</b>, according to the server's time and date.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> </div> <p><br style="clear:both;"/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Closing_instructions_-_a_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Closing_instructions_-_a_question-20221115134400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Closing_instructions_-_a_question-20221115134400"></span>Closing instructions - a question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Closing_instructions_-_a_question-20221115134400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20221115134400-Closing_instructions_-_a_question"></span>So I just realised (and I'm not sure why I never noticed before... probably because I just clicked the link at WP:RfA), but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Promotions_and_RfX_closures" title="Wikipedia:Bureaucrats">our closing procedures</a> for RfAs are right on the main <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats" title="Wikipedia:Bureaucrats">WP:Bureaucrats</a> page. I know there isn't much to say about us, but putting that level of detail seems a bit weird. I'm not saying it <i>must</i> be moved elsewhere, just wondering if there's any appetite for having the broad strokes at the primary page but the specifics moved onto a subpage. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Primefac-20221115134400-Closing_instructions_-_a_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20221115134400-Closing_instructions_-_a_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20221115134400-Closing_instructions_-_a_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilkTork-20221115141500-Primefac-20221115134400"></span>I'm OK with it staying as it is or being moved. There are details, such as the template list, which are purely technical details for 'Crats, and of little interest to a non-Crat, which may make the page cleaner if moved or collapsed, though I suppose the question should be asked of non-Crats to see if some of that stuff gets in the way of giving someone a quick overview of what Crats do. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-SilkTork-20221115141500-Primefac-20221115134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilkTork-20221115141500-Primefac-20221115134400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilkTork-20221115141500-Primefac-20221115134400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20221115142100-SilkTork-20221115141500"></span>Good point, cross-posted a request for thoughts at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:CRAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:CRAT">WT:CRAT</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Primefac-20221115142100-SilkTork-20221115141500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20221115142100-SilkTork-20221115141500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20221115142100-SilkTork-20221115141500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaacl-20221118165300-SilkTork-20221115141500"></span>Since they're below the content that is of more interest to a general audience, personally I don't think it matters if the procedures are on the same page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Isaacl-20221118165300-SilkTork-20221115141500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaacl-20221118165300-SilkTork-20221115141500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaacl-20221118165300-SilkTork-20221115141500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221115144000-Primefac-20221115134400"></span>Go for it if you want, I don't really want to open any worm cans that will require making <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bureaucrats_policy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Bureaucrats policy (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Bureaucrats policy</a> though.... — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221115144000-Primefac-20221115134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221115144000-Primefac-20221115134400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221115144000-Primefac-20221115134400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xeno-20221115144700-Xaosflux-20221115144000"></span>In a previous discussion (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Bureaucrats/Archive_4#Status_of_Wikipedia:Bureaucrats" title="Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrats/Archive 4">Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrats/Archive 4#Status of Wikipedia:Bureaucrats</a>), I started <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/443671736" title="Special:PermanentLink/443671736">WP:Bureaucrat policy</a> for discussion purposes. See also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Bureaucrats/Archive_5#Procedural_policy_or_not?" title="Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrats/Archive 5">Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrats/Archive 5#Procedural policy or not?</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><sup style="color:#000">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xeno-20221115144700-Xaosflux-20221115144000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xeno-20221115144700-Xaosflux-20221115144000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xeno-20221115144700-Xaosflux-20221115144000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20221122101600-Closing_instructions_-_a_question"></span>Status update</dt> <dd>I decided that the instructions are short enough that it probably doesn't need to have its own subpage. To that end, I have rewritten <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Promotions_and_RfX_closures" title="Wikipedia:Bureaucrats">Wikipedia:Bureaucrats § Promotions and RfX closures</a> now that the auto-close functionality has been implemented (including a better example of what a page needs to be closed). Feel free to tweak or word-smith as appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Primefac-20221122101600-Closing_instructions_-_a_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20221122101600-Closing_instructions_-_a_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20221122101600-Closing_instructions_-_a_question"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_admin_inactivity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_admin_inactivity-20221118155400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_admin_inactivity-20221118155400"></span>Question about admin inactivity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_admin_inactivity-20221118155400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Happy-melon-20221118155400-Question_about_admin_inactivity"></span>I've recently made a small return to Wikipedia after a long near-absence, in no small part due to the gentle 'encouragement' from the automated warnings about the new (to me) activity requirements for administrators. I'm glad to see these finally established, as it's always something I thought would be sensible. I've been helping out at CSD, which hasn't changed much and didn't take much brushing up on, but the thought occurred to me: it's very easy to do a lot of work at CSD and not actually rack up very many actual <i>edits</i>, since the signal-to-noise ratio there is actually pretty good. Of the two metrics at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INACTIVITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INACTIVITY">WP:INACTIVITY</a>, the short-horizon mentions edits <i>or</i> administrative actions, while the five-year-horizon refers only to edits. Should I be concerned that my apparent activity is still quite low when measured only by editcount? Or are we still sufficiently not-a-bureaucracy that I shouldn't worry? <a href="/wiki/User:Happy-melon" title="User:Happy-melon"><b style="color:forestgreen">Happy</b></a>‑<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Happy-melon" title="User talk:Happy-melon"><b style="color:darkorange">melon</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Happy-melon-20221118155400-Question_about_admin_inactivity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Happy-melon-20221118155400-Question_about_admin_inactivity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Happy-melon-20221118155400-Question_about_admin_inactivity"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221118161600-Happy-melon-20221118155400"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Happy-melon" title="User:Happy-melon">Happy-melon</a> and welcome back! The community specifically asked for the <i>edit</i> criteria to be added which works out to <2 edits/month on average - so yes, if <i>all</i> you do is process uncontroversial deletions, you will not satisfy the criteria. I think a point of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Request_for_comment_on_administrator_activity_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Request for comment on administrator activity requirements">RfC</a> was that admins that performed only the prior minimum activity were less likely to operate in line with changing community standards; by requiring additional continuous interaction admins would be more versed in current practices. This doesn't mean you have to add content to articles, there is always a backlog of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ADMINBACKLOG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ADMINBACKLOG">admin tasks</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog" title="Wikipedia:Backlog">general tasks</a> in need of help, most of which will generate edits along the way. I do not think the point of that RfC was to encourage "bureaucratic" responses like making exactly 50 edits one day a year and otherwise being absent. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221118161600-Happy-melon-20221118155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221118161600-Happy-melon-20221118155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221118161600-Happy-melon-20221118155400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilkTork-20221118183900-Happy-melon-20221118155400"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Happy-melon" title="User:Happy-melon">Happy-melon</a>, great to hear from you again, and glad you're going to become more active! As regards "sufficiently not-a-bureaucracy", that doesn't apply to admin activity due to a number of incidents with "legacy admins" during your time away - that is, some admins who had not kept up with community expectations and standards made some errors in judgement which caused the community concerns. Given your long term disconnect from Wikipedia I would suggest caution in using your admin tools for the time being. Better to contribute without the tools for a while until you manage to bring yourself comfortably up to date. I would suggest bringing yourself up to speed with admin requirements, and changes in policy since 2012, and keep an eye on discussions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>. My memory of you is of someone diligent and knowledgeable, so I assume you know this already; however, I'd rather bring it up unnecessarily, than have you walk accidently into an incident. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-SilkTork-20221118183900-Happy-melon-20221118155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilkTork-20221118183900-Happy-melon-20221118155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilkTork-20221118183900-Happy-melon-20221118155400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20221118220700-Happy-melon-20221118155400"></span>Although all of the above comments are true, if you maintain the level of activity you've had in 2022, that is high enough to not get desysopped for inactivity. (You have to make ~45 more edits before January 1, 2023 to avoid the 5-year rule and you've made 40 in just the last two weeks so that shouldn't be too hard. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Pppery-20221118220700-Happy-melon-20221118155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20221118220700-Happy-melon-20221118155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20221118220700-Happy-melon-20221118155400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Happy-melon-20221121085200-Pppery-20221118220700"></span>Thanks for the comments, all, good to see the bureaucrats are as calm and thoughtful as ever :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Happy-melon" title="User:Happy-melon"><b style="color:forestgreen">Happy</b></a>‑<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Happy-melon" title="User talk:Happy-melon"><b style="color:darkorange">melon</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Happy-melon-20221121085200-Pppery-20221118220700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Happy-melon-20221121085200-Pppery-20221118220700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Happy-melon-20221121085200-Pppery-20221118220700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Clarifying_the_5_year_rule" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule-20221118203400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule-20221118203400"></span>Clarifying the 5 year rule<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule-20221118203400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20221118203400-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule"></span>A few of us noticed a discrepancy between <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RESYSOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RESYSOP">WP:RESYSOP</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ADMIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ADMIN">WP:ADMIN</a>. There is an RFC to hopefully fix this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators#Clarifying_5_year_rule" title="Wikipedia talk:Administrators">Wikipedia talk:Administrators § Clarifying 5 year rule</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Primefac-20221118203400-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20221118203400-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20221118203400-Clarifying_the_5_year_rule"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121200800"><span id="Resysop_request_.28TheresNoTime.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121200800"></span>Resysop request (TheresNoTime)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121200800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Resolved</div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheresNoTime&action=edit&section=new&preloadtitle=Template%20editor%20granted&preload=Template:Template%20editor%20granted">te</a>)</sup></span></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="+admin" data-mw-thread-id="h-+admin-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121200800"><span id=".2Badmin"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-+admin-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121200800"></span>+admin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-+admin-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121200800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheresNoTime-20221121200800-+admin"></span>I wish to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Restoration_of_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">request the reinstatement</a> of my sysop permissions (and ideally the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Interface_administrator" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Interface administrator">IA</a> I had at the time, but that can wait/be a separate request if needed). </p><p>For transparency, I resigned a <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1122837951#Desysop_request_(TheresNoTime)" title="Special:PermanentLink/1122837951">couple of weeks ago</a> during the closing day(s) of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal_and_reinstatement_of_Athaenara%27s_block" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block">this ArbCom case</a> (see also <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1119695962#Actions_by_parties_to_a_proceeding" title="Special:PermanentLink/1119695962">this motion</a> in said case). Many thanks — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-TheresNoTime-20221121200800-+admin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheresNoTime-20221121200800-+admin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheresNoTime-20221121200800-+admin"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221121204600-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>Standard <b>minimum</b> 24-hold for comments apply. As linked above, arbcom has not imposed any prohibition from skipping RfA as a result of their case; however the policy requirement of <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">If there were serious questions about the appropriateness of the former admin's status as an administrator at the time of resignation</q> certainly still applies. At the time of resignation (<a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1119407033" title="Special:PermanentLink/1119407033">2022-11-01T12:19:08</a>) there was an open arbcom case that was in the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1119404274#Motion_to_close" title="Special:PermanentLink/1119404274">voting stage</a>. The votes at the time were in favor of <u>admonishment</u> for <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">serious breaches of Wikipedia's administrative norms and of the CheckUser policy</q>, but were unanimously opposed to desysoping. So now it needs to be determined if this policy criteria was active or not. I can see an argument that the prohibiting criteria was in effect, in that a case is by nature a "serious question"; however I can also see arguments that it was not in effect in that the desysop remedy vote was failing meant that this was no longer "at question". Comments welcome below. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221121204600-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221121204600-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221121204600-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221121205500-Xaosflux-20221121204600"></span>As far as my own !cratvote, I'm leading toward support restore; the purpose of the "cloud" rule is primarily so that an admin under scrutiny doesn't avoid additional scrutiny by resigning - as further investigation could be a huge time sink for everyone involved. In this specific case, neither the investigation nor possible removal remedies appear to be impacted by the resignation. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221121205500-Xaosflux-20221121204600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221121205500-Xaosflux-20221121204600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221121205500-Xaosflux-20221121204600"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>I agree with Xaosflux, above. I see nothing that would prevent the admin bit from being retwiddled. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JA"><span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span></a>!</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20221121211100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>Not a crat, but I agree with everyone above that this can go through. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Pppery-20221121211100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20221121211100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20221121211100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>This is not a typical "under a cloud" case where we don't know what the outcome would have been. ArbCom said "don't desysop". If TNT hadn't resigned, they'd still be an admin right now, and anyone who had a problem with that fact would have to start a second ArbCom case. The fact that TNT did resign is irrelevant. <a href="/wiki/User:Suffusion_of_Yellow" title="User:Suffusion of Yellow">Suffusion of Yellow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suffusion_of_Yellow" title="User talk:Suffusion of Yellow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100"></span>I actually think you're eliding an important point. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLOUD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLOUD">WP:CLOUD</a> metaphor is not one specific ArbCom thing but rather <span style="color:green;">...the purpose, or with the effect, of evading scrutiny of their actions that could have led to sanctions</span> (quoted from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RESYSOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RESYSOP">WP:RESYSOP</a>). In terms of ArbCom's opinion in this particular case, it may be pretty clearly and cleanly decided (e.g. the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RESYSOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RESYSOP">WP:RESYSOP</a> footnote citing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Return_of_access_levels" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology">Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Return of access levels</a>), but there are more to clouds than just ArbCom and there is more to scrutiny than just whether or not ArbCom still has desysop-ing on the table. Without opining on the case at hand, it's <i>not</i> irrelevant that someone resigns the tools. ArbCom removing the tools is a difficult step to clear, but there being murky/cloudy circumstances around someone is intentionally a lower standard. Bureaucrats saying "This could be dodgy, spend a week at RfA" is <i>supposed</i> to be an intermediate between "Clearly no issues" and "ArbCom took the tools away." One could think another has a cloud but support them at RfA, and bureaucrats have room outside of "is there an ArbCom PD that could pass?" ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> <i>(<a href="/wiki/User:Amorymeltzer" title="User:Amorymeltzer">u</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amorymeltzer" title="User talk:Amorymeltzer">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer" title="Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer">c</a>)</i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221121223400-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100"></span>I'm not aware of any non-case proceedings that were open in parallel at the time of the resignation (and generally the community abandons pursuing community sanctions once it has been escalated to arbcom) - but if there were and such a discussion was cut short because of the resignation, that could be its own issue. (Anyone wanting to present this please provide permalinks). — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221121223400-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221121223400-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221121223400-Amorymeltzer-20221121221100"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amorymeltzer-20221121230900-Xaosflux-20221121223400"></span>Sorry, wasn't meaning to imply there were any here, I don't think there were/are (beyond the PD talk, etc.). Just noting that there's more than just AC (or should be) for this sort of thing. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> <i>(<a href="/wiki/User:Amorymeltzer" title="User:Amorymeltzer">u</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amorymeltzer" title="User talk:Amorymeltzer">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer" title="Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer">c</a>)</i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Amorymeltzer-20221121230900-Xaosflux-20221121223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amorymeltzer-20221121230900-Xaosflux-20221121223400"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amorymeltzer-20221121230900-Xaosflux-20221121223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20221122013700-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100"></span>My understanding of resignation under a cloud is that it is not limited to resolutions in an ArbCom case; the phrasing used is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">serious questions about the appropriateness of the former admin's status as an administrator at the time of resignation</q>. If serious questions about whether TNT's violation of involved made their status as an administrator inappropriate existed in the broader community at the time of resignation, then an automatic reapproval may not be appropriate. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-BilledMammal-20221122013700-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20221122013700-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20221122013700-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221121212100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NightWolf1223-20221121212500-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>No concerns from me. <span style="border: 1px solid #0000FF;color:blue; padding:0px 7px;border-radius:10px"><b><a href="/wiki/User:NightWolf1223" title="User:NightWolf1223">NW1223</a><<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NightWolf1223" title="User talk:NightWolf1223">Howl at me</a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/NightWolf1223" title="Special:Contributions/NightWolf1223">My hunts</a>></b></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-NightWolf1223-20221121212500-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NightWolf1223-20221121212500-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NightWolf1223-20221121212500-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>Speaking with my arb hat on and not with my crat hat on and explicitly not voting as a crat because I believe it would be inappropriate to do so. I do not believe the committee would have desysopped, we had unanimously disagreed with doing so at the time of resignation, and there was a majority. What's more, the Arbcom requirement from over a decade ago that a person cannot be automatically resysopped after quitting during a case did not consider the scenario that we had already disagreed with with a desysop. <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned"><b style="color:#000;"><i>Worm</i></b></a><sup>TT</sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Worm_That_Turned" title="User talk:Worm That Turned"><b style="color:#060;">talk</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-20221122034500-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200"></span>I have to agree with Worm here. This was a unique situation in that we had already explicitly voted not to remove the admin bit just before it was resigned. I'm pretty sure that "unprecedented" can be taken literally here and that therefore the cloud rule simply does not apply. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Beeblebrox-20221122034500-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-20221122034500-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-20221122034500-Worm_That_Turned-20221121221200"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>I don't have any issues with restoring the toolset - with the usual delay of course. I am a bit worried about the context of what went on, and would stress to TNT to not go down the same road. I've not read all of the arbcom case that is associated with this, but it's very clear that there was no want to remove the tools, and at the time it was stated that the tools weren't "on the line" (so to speak). Disgression is the better part of Valor. There's no policy reason why the toolset can't be returned for a voluntary removal like this. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmandaNP-20221121224100-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800"></span>I feel like my hand is involved when it comes to this, so I won't be touching the buttons, but I think Lee made precisely the point I was coming to make. -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmandaNP" title="User talk:AmandaNP"><span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b> (she/her)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-AmandaNP-20221121224100-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmandaNP-20221121224100-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmandaNP-20221121224100-Lee_Vilenski-20221121221800"></span> <dl><dd><span style="font-size:85%;"><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20221122120800-AmandaNP-20221121224100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski">Lee Vilenski</a>:</span> just FYI, it's "discretion", as in being discrete; see <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretion" class="extiw" title="wikt:discretion">wikt:discretion</a> and indeed <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretion_is_the_better_part_of_valour" class="extiw" title="wikt:discretion is the better part of valour">wikt:discretion is the better part of valour</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span></a> 12:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC) </pedantry></span> <small><small>If you're okay with more pedantry, I'll just fix your own misspellings... <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-HJ_Mitchell-20221122120800-AmandaNP-20221121224100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-20221122120800-AmandaNP-20221121224100"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20221122120800-AmandaNP-20221121224100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-28bytes-20221122033000-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>Based on the circumstances of the (self-)desysop and the feedback from the committee regarding it, I have to agree with my fellow ’crats that this request should be granted after the standard hold. Welcome back, TNT. <a href="/wiki/User:28bytes" title="User:28bytes">28bytes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:28bytes" title="User talk:28bytes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-28bytes-20221122033000-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-28bytes-20221122033000-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-28bytes-20221122033000-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilkTork-20221122100800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>My vote would be to restore the admin tools for reasons I will explain in a moment; however, I'm not sure we should be voting to restore before we discuss if this request is one that comes under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Under_a_cloud" title="Wikipedia:Under a cloud">"In doubtful cases, re-granting will be deferred until a broader community discussion takes place and is closed."</a>. Also, just for clarity, it would be helpful if <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> stated that they did not resign in order to avoid "imminent exposure, scrutiny or sanction". <dl><dd>My own reading of the situation, and why I am in favour of restoring the tools, is that given that TNT had requested the case be held in public, and that at the time of the request the ArbCom desyop proposal was not passing, I can't see how the request could be motivated to avoid scrutiny or sanction. They had requested public scrutiny, and they were not going to be sanctioned by having the tools removed. I personally regard temporarily resigning the tools in a stressful situation to be a sensible and applaudable decision, and something that all admins should consider doing when faced with stress.</dd> <dd>However, as I say, I am reluctant to apply my vote until we have decided if this request should be classed as a "doubtful case". I think it is a "doubtful case", but at the same time I doubt if there would be sufficient objections from the community to a resysop to justify holding a "broader community discussion", and so having such a discussion could be seen as unnecessarily bureaucratic. So my inclination is that a broader discussion is not warranted; however, I would welcome more thoughts on this, and particularly input from the community as to if a broader discussion is something desired. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-SilkTork-20221122100800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilkTork-20221122100800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilkTork-20221122100800-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20221122115100-SilkTork-20221122100800"></span>It could be argued that what we are having now is a "broader community discussion" given that this is a discussion among members of thecommunity that is broader than just the crats. Obviously it's not as broad as one at somewhere like AN would be, let alone RFA, but if the rules intended to specifically mandate an RFA they would explicitly refer to RFA rather than a vague phrase like "broader community discussion". <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Thryduulf-20221122115100-SilkTork-20221122100800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20221122115100-SilkTork-20221122100800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20221122115100-SilkTork-20221122100800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilkTork-20221122122700-Thryduulf-20221122115100"></span>In your experience <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a>, is there so far greater community input into this request than normal? If so, I think I could agree with your argument. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-SilkTork-20221122122700-Thryduulf-20221122115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilkTork-20221122122700-Thryduulf-20221122115100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilkTork-20221122122700-Thryduulf-20221122115100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20221122124400-SilkTork-20221122122700"></span>If we consider all resysop requests then yes this clearly has more interaction than normal. I think it would be more relevant to consider resysop requests as falling into two types - (1) those that are obviously not at all controversial and (2) others (including this request). The reason for the split being that very few people see any need or benefit to commenting on type 1 requests (in all cases discounting post-restoration "welcome back" type comments). Considering the set of type 2 requests I would say this is at the high end of the normal range. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Thryduulf-20221122124400-SilkTork-20221122122700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20221122124400-SilkTork-20221122122700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20221122124400-SilkTork-20221122122700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaacl-20221122222100-Thryduulf-20221122115100"></span>I don't think it's a good idea to simply label this discussion, after the fact, as a broader community discussion. The members of the community that like to discuss these matters know that the bureaucrats have the responsibility of evaluating the circumstances of how administrative privileges are relinquished, and this influences participation in what is generally considered a bureaucrat discussion. A community discussion should be announced as such in suitable venues, inviting greater participation. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Isaacl-20221122222100-Thryduulf-20221122115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaacl-20221122222100-Thryduulf-20221122115100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaacl-20221122222100-Thryduulf-20221122115100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheresNoTime-20221122125100-SilkTork-20221122100800"></span>In response to the request for clarity (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">it would be helpful if TheresNoTime stated that they did not resign in order to avoid "imminent exposure, scrutiny or sanction".</q>), I certainly didn't do so to avoid further scrutiny. As I saw it, the result was a "done deal", and all "exposure, scrutiny or sanctions" had been levied. On a more cautious note, that situation put me over my own "red line" in regards to <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime/Mental_health" title="User:TheresNoTime/Mental health">my health</a>, at which point resignation was not only a matter of being upset, but peace of mind. — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-TheresNoTime-20221122125100-SilkTork-20221122100800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheresNoTime-20221122125100-SilkTork-20221122100800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheresNoTime-20221122125100-SilkTork-20221122100800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilkTork-20221122135200-TheresNoTime-20221122125100"></span>Thanks for that <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a>. That is exactly how I viewed it, and also why I felt at the time that your request should be immediately actioned. Given all the circumstances, including <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a>'s observation that this discussion could well serve as the "broader community discussion", I can't see any reasonable impediment to the tools being restored. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-SilkTork-20221122135200-TheresNoTime-20221122125100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilkTork-20221122135200-TheresNoTime-20221122125100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilkTork-20221122135200-TheresNoTime-20221122125100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221122163000-SilkTork-20221122100800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> I'd say this discussion itself satisfies a "broader discussion", and would support any reasonable extensions in the minimum time requested. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221122163000-SilkTork-20221122100800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221122163000-SilkTork-20221122100800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221122163000-SilkTork-20221122100800"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20221122102200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>I don't see how ArbCom could have been more explicit that this is fine, and I am happy to see TNT return to adminship. —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Kusma-20221122102200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20221122102200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20221122102200-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WaltCip-20221122141900-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span>The case had reached its apex at the time that TNT had resigned, and it did not seem that the outcome would have been altered in any way as a result of her resigning or not resigning. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLOUD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLOUD">WP:CLOUD</a> states that cloudiness is determined when <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">there seems a plausible chance their resignation was in part designed to evade or frustrate formal discussion of their conduct</q>. The formal discussion had concluded. No further recriminations were pursued by the community, as they very well could have done so. Restoration of rights should be a done deal here. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:WaltCip" title="User:WaltCip">🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip</span></a></b>-<i><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WaltCip" title="User talk:WaltCip">talk</a>)</small></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-WaltCip-20221122141900-TheresNoTime-20221121200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WaltCip-20221122141900-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WaltCip-20221122141900-TheresNoTime-20221121200800"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dweller-20221122222100-+admin"></span>There's clear consensus here. Restoring the mop. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dweller" title="User:Dweller">Dweller</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dweller" title="User talk:Dweller">talk</a>) <small><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Old-fashioned_Wikipedian_values" title="Wikipedia:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values">Old fashioned is the new thing!</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Dweller-20221122222100-+admin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dweller-20221122222100-+admin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dweller-20221122222100-+admin"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123023900-Dweller-20221122222100"></span>Is this a joke? An admin resigns for misusing the mop, and is given the mop back by a simple request? For the record, I would appreciate confirmation that TheresNoTime didn't also misuse the mop in my one and only interaction with her, at FormalDude's talk page, in which she threatened me with her very admin-ness. Posting on mobile, so can't provide diffs right now. But this is absolutely not an acceptable situation, by any stretch of the imagination. TheresNoTime should be required to go through the entire RfB process from scratch, with her recent conduct in full view for everyone to see. <a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Homeostasis07" title="User talk:Homeostasis07">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07" title="Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Homeostasis07-20221123023900-Dweller-20221122222100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123023900-Dweller-20221122222100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Homeostasis07-20221123023900-Dweller-20221122222100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20221123024900-Homeostasis07-20221123023900"></span>TheresNoTime did not resign for misusing the mop, she resigned in part for misusing checkuser tools, which she has not gotten (and will not get) back here. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Pppery-20221123024900-Homeostasis07-20221123023900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20221123024900-Homeostasis07-20221123023900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20221123024900-Homeostasis07-20221123023900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123025400-Homeostasis07-20221123023900"></span>These are the diffs I believe <a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a> is referring to — <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1077914768" title="Special:Diff/1077914768">Special:Diff/1077914768</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1077916517" title="Special:Diff/1077916517">Special:Diff/1077916517</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1077917307" title="Special:Diff/1077917307">Special:Diff/1077917307</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1077918276" title="Special:Diff/1077918276">Special:Diff/1077918276</a> (and the permalink <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1077918276#Sorry,_but..." title="Special:PermanentLink/1077918276">talk section</a> for ease of reading). I don't personally believe that I <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">misuse[d] the mop</q> in that interaction (nor do I believe I <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">threatened [them] with [my] very admin-ness</q>) — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-TheresNoTime-20221123025400-Homeostasis07-20221123023900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123025400-Homeostasis07-20221123023900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheresNoTime-20221123025400-Homeostasis07-20221123023900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123033800-TheresNoTime-20221123025400"></span>"<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">despite an administrator telling you not to</q>" and "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I won't ask you again</q>" coupled with a threat to take me to ANI for daring not to do exactly what you say is most definitely a threat. And thanks for confirming that you did indeed use the tools on me during that interaction. There was absolutely no reason for you to believe my account was in any way compromised, or that I was in any way colluding with any other user in that interaction. This user does not deserve reinstatement. <a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Homeostasis07" title="User talk:Homeostasis07">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07" title="Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Homeostasis07-20221123033800-TheresNoTime-20221123025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123033800-TheresNoTime-20221123025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Homeostasis07-20221123033800-TheresNoTime-20221123025400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123034200-Homeostasis07-20221123033800"></span>"<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">thanks for confirming that you did indeed use the tools on me during that interaction</q>" - what are you on about..? — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-TheresNoTime-20221123034200-Homeostasis07-20221123033800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123034200-Homeostasis07-20221123033800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheresNoTime-20221123034200-Homeostasis07-20221123033800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123034700-TheresNoTime-20221123034200"></span>"I don't personally believe I misuse[d] the mop in that interaction" = you used the tools but don't believe it was a misuse. It's clearly a longstanding pattern of tool abuse; you use the tools on any user you disagree with. <a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Homeostasis07" title="User talk:Homeostasis07">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07" title="Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Homeostasis07-20221123034700-TheresNoTime-20221123034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123034700-TheresNoTime-20221123034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Homeostasis07-20221123034700-TheresNoTime-20221123034200"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123035000-Homeostasis07-20221123034700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a>:</span> I think you may have misunderstood my statement — when I said "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I don't personally believe that I "misuse[d] the mop" in that interaction</q>", I meant that seeing as I clearly <b>didn't take any administrative actions</b> during that interaction, I couldn't have misused the tools... as they <b>weren't used</b>? — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-TheresNoTime-20221123035000-Homeostasis07-20221123034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123035000-Homeostasis07-20221123034700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheresNoTime-20221123035000-Homeostasis07-20221123034700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123035900-TheresNoTime-20221123035000"></span>I want specific confirmation from someone else that TheresNoTime didn't access my personal details through the CheckUser tool on March 28 last. I have no interest in continuing the current pedantic nonsense with her above. If anything, her behavior here is confirmation she does not deserve reinstatement. <a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Homeostasis07" title="User talk:Homeostasis07">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07" title="Special:Contributions/Homeostasis07">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Homeostasis07-20221123035900-TheresNoTime-20221123035000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Homeostasis07-20221123035900-TheresNoTime-20221123035000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Homeostasis07-20221123035900-TheresNoTime-20221123035000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-20221123040200-Homeostasis07-20221123035900"></span>No one has used the CheckUser tool on your account. <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Izno-20221123040200-Homeostasis07-20221123035900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-20221123040200-Homeostasis07-20221123035900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-20221123040200-Homeostasis07-20221123035900"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123040800-Homeostasis07-20221123035900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Homeostasis07" title="User:Homeostasis07">Homeostasis07</a>:</span> I'm sorry if any of this came across as pedantic. As has now been confirmed to you, I've never used any "tools" on your account. I'd appreciate an apology, as most of what you've said is fairly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Aspersion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Aspersion">baseless</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TheresNoTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-TheresNoTime-20221123040800-Homeostasis07-20221123035900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheresNoTime-20221123040800-Homeostasis07-20221123035900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheresNoTime-20221123040800-Homeostasis07-20221123035900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="+intadmin" data-mw-thread-id="h-+intadmin-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121205200"><span id=".2Bintadmin"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-+intadmin-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121205200"></span>+intadmin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-+intadmin-Resysop_request_(TheresNoTime)-20221121205200"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20221121205200-+intadmin"></span>No objections, contingent on the +admin passing above. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20221121205200-+intadmin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20221121205200-+intadmin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20221121205200-+intadmin"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-+intadmin"></span>No objections here, either, provided the admin bit is retwiddled. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JA"><span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span></a>!</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-+intadmin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-+intadmin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-20221121210700-+intadmin"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amakuru-20221121212100-+intadmin"></span>Comment</b> in principle I have no objection to TNT regaining all tools, I argued as much before the case kicked off. But I do think we should establish categorically that the ArbCom would not have been minded to revoke any tools had the case continued. This is purely to not establish a precedent that you can "resign under a cloud" at a point in time when a vote appears to be in your favour and then later roll back in purely on that basis. — <a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru">Amakuru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amakuru" title="User talk:Amakuru">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Amakuru-20221121212100-+intadmin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amakuru-20221121212100-+intadmin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amakuru-20221121212100-+intadmin"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20221122011000-+intadmin"></span>Given that the circumstances of the resignation were completely unrelated to TNT's being an interface administrator, arbcom were not considering (nor was there any reason why they would consider) removing that permission, and there were (to my knowledge) no discussions about their actions as an interface admin at the time they resigned the tools, I can see no reason why this bit shouldn't be restored if they are reinstated as an administrator. Whether they should be reinstated as an administrator is something I have not yet formed an opinion on. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Thryduulf-20221122011000-+intadmin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20221122011000-+intadmin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20221122011000-+intadmin"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilkTork-20221122101000-+intadmin"></span>If admin bit is restored then the intadmin bit should also be restored. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-SilkTork-20221122101000-+intadmin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilkTork-20221122101000-+intadmin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilkTork-20221122101000-+intadmin"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20221122101500-SilkTork-20221122101000"></span>In a proper bureaucracy, wouldn't that need an extra 24 hours wait, as only admins can apply for intadmin?</small> —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Kusma-20221122101500-SilkTork-20221122101000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20221122101500-SilkTork-20221122101000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20221122101500-SilkTork-20221122101000"></span> <dl><dd><span style="font-size:85%;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20221122101800-Kusma-20221122101500"></span>IntAdmin can be restored immediately upon request by any admin who previously held the permission, so... no. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Primefac-20221122101800-Kusma-20221122101500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20221122101800-Kusma-20221122101500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20221122101800-Kusma-20221122101500"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20221122102300-Primefac-20221122101800"></span>I should have known we have a rule for this. Anyway, no objections. —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Kusma-20221122102300-Primefac-20221122101800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20221122102300-Primefac-20221122101800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20221122102300-Primefac-20221122101800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dweller-20221122222300-+intadmin"></span>Restored. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dweller" title="User:Dweller">Dweller</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dweller" title="User talk:Dweller">talk</a>) <small><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Old-fashioned_Wikipedian_values" title="Wikipedia:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values">Old fashioned is the new thing!</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Dweller-20221122222300-+intadmin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dweller-20221122222300-+intadmin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dweller-20221122222300-+intadmin"></span> </p> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Resysop_request_(Eddie891)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)-20221125214200"><span id="Resysop_request_.28Eddie891.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)-20221125214200"></span>Resysop request (Eddie891)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)-20221125214200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="plainlinks userlinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Eddie891" title="User:Eddie891"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eddie891-20221125214200-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)"></span>Eddie891</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&group=&limit=1&username=Eddie891">current rights</a><span class="sysop-show"> · <a href="/wiki/Special:UserRights/Eddie891" title="Special:UserRights/Eddie891">rights management</a></span> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=rights&page=User:Eddie891">rights log (local)</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&page=User:Eddie891%40enwiki">rights log (global/meta)</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Eddie891">block log</a>)</span></p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>Hi, I <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard/Archive_47#Desysop_request_(Eddie891)" title="Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 47">was de-sysop'ed upon request</a> about a month ago. While I'm not interested in going into great detail about my personal life, I have been going through some mental issues regarding depression and pretty serious <a href="/wiki/Suicidal_ideation" title="Suicidal ideation">suicidal ideation</a>. I requested de-adminship in the throes of that as a way of both cutting myself off from things I enjoyed and ensuring that I did not do something with the tools that I regretted.</p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>I have been working to address those issues and think I'm in a much better (though still not perfect) place right now on the balance. I do feel ready to request the toolset again and hopefully become somewhat (re)involved with the community I have grown to appreciate so much. I don't think this would constitute a resignation under a cloud, and I don't think anything major has changed that would stand in the way of this request, but respect the communities judgment on both counts. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Eddie891" title="User:Eddie891">Eddie891</a> <small><i><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eddie891" title="User talk:Eddie891">Talk</a></sup> <sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eddie891" title="Special:Contributions/Eddie891">Work</a></sub></i> </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Eddie891-20221125214200-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eddie891-20221125214200-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eddie891-20221125214200-Resysop_request_(Eddie891)"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20221125224700-Eddie891-20221125214200"></span>Happy to hear you are feeling a bit better. I don't see any issues - regular 24 hour hold for comments. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#c-Lee_Vilenski-20221125224700-Eddie891-20221125214200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20221125224700-Eddie891-20221125214200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-20221125224700-Eddie891-20221125214200"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard&oldid=1123830536">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard&oldid=1123830536</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_noticeboards" title="Category:Wikipedia noticeboards">Wikipedia noticeboards</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_bureaucratship" title="Category:Wikipedia bureaucratship">Wikipedia bureaucratship</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_semi-protected_project_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia semi-protected project pages">Wikipedia semi-protected project pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_move-protected_project_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia move-protected project pages">Wikipedia move-protected project pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 25 November 2022, at 22:47<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span class="nowraplinks">This version of the page has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">revised</a>. 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