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scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Untitled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Untitled-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Untitled-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z"></span>Untitled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Untitled-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Untitled"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Desiphral-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>The currently <a href="https://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="rmy:">Romani language edition</a> of Wikipedia, although it has the code of the Vlax dialect, in fact it is a <a href="/wiki/Romani_language" title="Romani language">generic Romani</a> edition. <a href="/wiki/User:Desiphral" title="User:Desiphral">Desiphral</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Desiphral-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Desiphral-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Desiphral-2006-04-24T08:15:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cyrillic_Orthography" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cyrillic_Orthography-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cyrillic_Orthography-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Cyrillic Orthography<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cyrillic_Orthography-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Cyrillic Orthography"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.71.71.120-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z-Cyrillic_Orthography"></span>Here's a link to a short textbook that uses a Cyrillic orthography for Kalderash, giving a citation for that fact in the main article -- I myself don't know how to remove the tag. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://adcmemorial.org/storagef/123/63539ccba4c527b676ddc96222777d96.pdf">http://adcmemorial.org/storagef/123/63539ccba4c527b676ddc96222777d96.pdf</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.71.71.120" title="Special:Contributions/71.71.71.120">71.71.71.120</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.71.71.120&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.71.71.120 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-71.71.71.120-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z-Cyrillic_Orthography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.71.71.120-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z-Cyrillic_Orthography"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.71.71.120-2012-11-08T20:51:00.000Z-Cyrillic_Orthography"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="No_official_status_in_Romania" data-mw-thread-id="h-No_official_status_in_Romania-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-No_official_status_in_Romania-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z"></span>No official status in Romania<span data-mw-comment-end="h-No_official_status_in_Romania-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: No official status in Romania"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nmgabriel-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z-No_official_status_in_Romania"></span>This so called "Vlax Romani" language doesn't have any official status in Romania yet it is listed as such with no source in this article's "Official Status" box.<br/> </p><p>Evidence can be found here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dri.gov.ro/documents/Multilingvism%20si%20limbi%20minoritare%20in%20Romania.pdf">http://www.dri.gov.ro/documents/Multilingvism%20si%20limbi%20minoritare%20in%20Romania.pdf</a> Page 56 and 57 - document in Romanian listing minority languages spoken on the territory of Romania from the Interethnic Relations Department of the Romanian Government website. </p><p>In consequence, Romania should be removed from the Official Status list of countries officially recognising it as an minority language.<br/> </p><p>In fact the term Vlax has no reputable source attributed, being a term pretty much invented extremely recently by Prof. <a href="/wiki/Ian_Hancock" title="Ian Hancock">Ian Hancock</a>. The source attributed for the sentence "Vlax Romani can also be referred to as an independent language", <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=rmy">http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=rmy</a> , says that Vlax, Romani is a language of Romania, which by all means it is isn't like I was showing previously, Romani having nothing to do with Romania per se other than a coincidence in naming and sound of the word itself. I propose a major edit/removal of this article for being extremely inaccurate. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nmgabriel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nmgabriel (page does not exist)">Nmgabriel</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nmgabriel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Nmgabriel (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Nmgabriel-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z-No_official_status_in_Romania" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 11 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nmgabriel-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z-No_official_status_in_Romania"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nmgabriel-2012-10-11T17:05:00.000Z-No_official_status_in_Romania"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z"><span id="Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry.3F.21.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z"></span>Prof. <a href="/wiki/Ian_Hancock" title="Ian Hancock">Ian Hancock</a> as author of an ethnologue entry?!?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Prof. Ian Hancock as author of an ethnologue entry?!?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?"></span>There is no evidence whatsoever provided to claim that Prof. Hancock is the author of the Ethnologue.com entry for Vlax Romani. If no evidence is provided, I <i>will</i> revert back to the original version. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kuaichik" title="User:Kuaichik">Kuaichik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuaichik" title="User talk:Kuaichik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z-Prof._Ian_Hancock_as_author_of_an_ethnologue_entry?!?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z"></span>OK, I've reverted it back. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kuaichik" title="User:Kuaichik">Kuaichik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuaichik" title="User talk:Kuaichik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2007-12-29T17:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z"></span>It's written in the description section from that link, read carefully next time <a href="/wiki/User:Adrianzax" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Adrianzax">Adrianzax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adrianzax" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Adrianzax">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z-Kuaichik-2008-01-04T21:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuaichik-2008-01-13T02:13:00.000Z-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z"></span>No. The Ethnologue entry merely cites Prof. Hancock's estimate for the population of speakers of Vlax Romani in Colombia and for the population of speakers worldwide. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kuaichik" title="User:Kuaichik">Kuaichik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuaichik" title="User talk:Kuaichik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Kuaichik-2008-01-13T02:13:00.000Z-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuaichik-2008-01-13T02:13:00.000Z-Adrianzax-2008-01-12T12:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-141.99.254.253-2010-06-29T13:47:00.000Z-Vlax_Romani_in_Bosnia"></span>There is no chance that 10% of the population speaks it. There could be about 1%-2% of Roma people, but not much more. Also, by looking at <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romany_language#Dialects">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romany_language#Dialects</a>, it is clear that Vlax Romani originated in Romania, and it is therefore logical that Romania should have greatest number of speakers. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/141.99.254.253" title="Special:Contributions/141.99.254.253">141.99.254.253</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:141.99.254.253" title="User talk:141.99.254.253">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-141.99.254.253-2010-06-29T13:47:00.000Z-Vlax_Romani_in_Bosnia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-141.99.254.253-2010-06-29T13:47:00.000Z-Vlax_Romani_in_Bosnia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-141.99.254.253-2010-06-29T13:47:00.000Z-Vlax_Romani_in_Bosnia"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z"></span>Source of additional information: Kalderash Romani dictionary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Source of additional information: Kalderash Romani dictionary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Magoriabooks-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary"></span>Please consider expanding this article using information from my publishing house's recently released "Romani Dictionary: Kalderash - English" ( <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.magoriabooks.com/books/rodikalen/">http://www.magoriabooks.com/books/rodikalen/</a> ). It is written by "Learn Romani" (a Kalderash-focused self-teaching book) author <a href="/wiki/Ronald_Lee" title="Ronald Lee">Ronald Lee</a>. </p><p>Online excerpts are available here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.romanidictionary.com/books/rodikalen/">http://www.romanidictionary.com/books/rodikalen/</a> </p><p>--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Magoriabooks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Magoriabooks (page does not exist)">Magoriabooks</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Magoriabooks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Magoriabooks (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Magoriabooks-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Magoriabooks-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Magoriabooks-2011-01-23T06:57:00.000Z-Source_of_additional_information:_Kalderash_Romani_dictionary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z"><span id="What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_.22vlax.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z"></span>What is the origin of the word "vlax"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: What is the origin of the word "vlax"?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?"></span>Vlax = Voice? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Bigshotnews" title="User:Bigshotnews">Bigshotnews</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bigshotnews" title="User talk:Bigshotnews">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bigshotnews" title="Special:Contributions/Bigshotnews">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RashersTierney-2011-02-12T23:44:00.000Z-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z"></span>It appears to derive from 'Vlach'. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://books.google.ie/books?id=ENqAjucuu4MC&pg=PR8&dq=%22the+author+has+deliberately+selected+vlax%22&hl=en&ei=_RpXTeW9JMqGhQeapZXWDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20author%20has%20deliberately%20selected%20vlax%22&f=false">See here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:RashersTierney" title="User:RashersTierney">RashersTierney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RashersTierney" title="User talk:RashersTierney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-RashersTierney-2011-02-12T23:44:00.000Z-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RashersTierney-2011-02-12T23:44:00.000Z-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RashersTierney-2011-02-12T23:44:00.000Z-Bigshotnews-2011-02-12T22:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.162.68.32-2012-10-09T21:38:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?"></span>Walch (Valach / Valah as the Slave people took it for granted from German people) is nothing else than "Roman"! (Period!) Who on Earth could even believe than "Rroma" or "Romani" has anything to do with Caesar, Augustus, Trajan, or even Nero? The "Rroma or Roma" tribes came from India about 900 years ago (Tzigan=cis Ganges(Latin)=beyond Ganges). Do to their oppression in their homeland, they hardly and constantly tried to hide their own origin over the centuries. There is a big confusion (not even harmless) between Romania and "Roma" or "Romani". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.162.68.32" title="Special:Contributions/213.162.68.32">213.162.68.32</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:213.162.68.32&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:213.162.68.32 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-213.162.68.32-2012-10-09T21:38:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.162.68.32-2012-10-09T21:38:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.162.68.32-2012-10-09T21:38:00.000Z-What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_"vlax"?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z"><span id=".22Vlax.22_is_an_artificial_created_word"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z"></span>"Vlax" is an artificial created word<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: "Vlax" is an artificial created word"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monterex-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word"></span>"Vlax" doesn't exist in any language. In my opinion is an "artificial" word created in order to produce even more confusion between Romanians, which are an european Volk and "Gipsies" which are an asiatic, indian minority living in Europe. Maybe this is the reason why "Vlax" as word was created. Phonetically "Vlax" is very close to "Vlach" and "Vlach" is a denomination of Romanians, sometimes also of Italians. "Romani" is also the plural of "Roman", hence "Romani" means either citizens of Rom or Romans or Romanians. It is hard, then, to believe that everything is only a "harmless phonetical coincidence". What is it then? A tentative of "nation building" middle in Europe? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Monterex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Monterex (page does not exist)">Monterex</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Monterex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Monterex (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Monterex-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monterex-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monterex-2013-08-18T11:09:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monterex-2013-11-28T19:43:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word"></span>Hello!!! Is there any serious ethnologist able to answer this questions: Is "Romani" an endonym? If not, then it is an exonym, a name given from outside! As I know "Romani" doesn't exist in a "gipsy" language. Only "Romanes" or "Domanes" exists, denominating a language but not an ethnical group. Second question: Who created the word "Vlax" and why?</dd></dl> <p>Is it a coincidence that both words denominate Romanians, which are to 100% an European population and the majority population of Romania? I am an ethnical Romanian and I believe that I have the right to ethnical identity like every other population on Earth: When a japanse guy says "I am a Japanese" nobody understands that he is a Chinese or Zulu. Therefore I need a serious linguist able to answer the questions above.Thank you!--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Monterex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Monterex (page does not exist)">Monterex</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Monterex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Monterex (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Monterex-2013-11-28T19:43:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monterex-2013-11-28T19:43:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monterex-2013-11-28T19:43:00.000Z-"Vlax"_is_an_artificial_created_word"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="To_add_to_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-To_add_to_article-20221020224600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-To_add_to_article-20221020224600"></span>To add to article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-To_add_to_article-20221020224600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: To add to article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.88.246.138-20221020224600-To_add_to_article"></span>To add to the opening paragraph of this article (in order to make it properly encyclopedic): the pronunciation of the word "Vlax." <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.88.246.138" title="Special:Contributions/173.88.246.138">173.88.246.138</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.88.246.138" title="User talk:173.88.246.138">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-173.88.246.138-20221020224600-To_add_to_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.88.246.138-20221020224600-To_add_to_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.88.246.138-20221020224600-To_add_to_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cyrillic_script_source" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cyrillic_script_source-20241105185900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cyrillic_script_source-20241105185900"></span>Cyrillic script source<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cyrillic_script_source-20241105185900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Cyrillic script source"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Strainu-20241105185900-Cyrillic_script_source"></span>The source used for the statement that Vlax Romani is also written in Cyrillic does not hold to verification. The word "Cyrillic" appears once, describing a single character imported in the language. "Soviet Union" or derivatives do not seem to appear. Russia appears twice, in other contexts. That is not to say the statement is untrue, it just needs a real source.--<a href="/wiki/User:Strainu" title="User:Strainu">Strainu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strainu" title="User talk:Strainu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vlax_Romani_language#c-Strainu-20241105185900-Cyrillic_script_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strainu-20241105185900-Cyrillic_script_source"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Strainu-20241105185900-Cyrillic_script_source"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&oldid=1255593750">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vlax_Romani_language&oldid=1255593750</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_language_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class language articles">Stub-Class language articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_language_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance language articles">Mid-importance language articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Languages_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Languages articles">WikiProject Languages articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_Romani_people_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class Romani people articles">Stub-Class Romani people articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Romani_people_articles" title="Category:High-importance Romani people articles">High-importance Romani people articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Romani_people_pages" title="Category:WikiProject Romani people pages">WikiProject Romani people pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 5 November 2024, at 18:59<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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