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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Languages" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Languages</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Languages</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">language articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256394742"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg/53px-Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg/70px-Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arab_world" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world">Arab world</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg/80px-Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="53" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg/120px-Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg/160px-Flag_of_the_Arab_League.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This template is within the scope of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arab_world" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world">WikiProject Arab world</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the <a href="/wiki/Arab_world" title="Arab world">Arab world</a> on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Arab_world" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Arab world</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Arab world</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Arab world articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z"></span>Suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Suggestion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span>I suggest changing Gim To Jim, since "J" is pronounced in one way as Jack while G could pronounced in two different ways as <b>G</b>oogle and Garba<b>g</b>e <a href="/wiki/User:Bashari" title="User:Bashari">radiant guy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bashari" title="User talk:Bashari">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z-Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z-Suggestion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lockesdonkey-2008-06-28T17:43:00.000Z-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z"></span>I recognize the concern. However, this template (and Wikipedia in general) uses the <a href="/wiki/DIN_31635" title="DIN 31635">DIN 31635</a> transliteration system, and "Ǧ/ǧ" (note the <a href="/wiki/Caron" title="Caron">caron</a>) is standard there. Though this is justification enough, I suppose I owe you an explanation for why DIN 31365 is the way it is, so here goes:</dd> <dd>As you doubtless know, Ǧīm has multiple pronunciations acceptable for <a href="/wiki/Literary_Arabic" class="mw-disambig" title="Literary Arabic">Modern Standard Arabic</a>: though the standard is in fact the <a href="/wiki/Voiced_postalveolar_affricate" title="Voiced postalveolar affricate">voiced postalveolar affricate</a> /<span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">d͡ʒ</span>/ (the "J" in "Jack"), the <a href="/wiki/Voiced_postalveolar_fricative" title="Voiced postalveolar fricative">voiced postalveolar fricative</a> /<span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">ʒ</span>/ (the "s" in "plea<b>s</b>ure") and the <a href="/wiki/Voiced_velar_plosive" title="Voiced velar plosive">voiced velar plosive</a> /<span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">g</span>/ (the "g" in "google") are regional variants and acceptable for use in official speech (watch an Egyptian news show, and they use "/g/" every time even though everything else is otherwise MSA). Beyond that, in the reconstruction of <a href="/wiki/Classical_Arabic" title="Classical Arabic">Classical Arabic</a> <a href="/wiki/Arabic_phonology" title="Arabic phonology">phonology</a>, the original sound was the <a href="/wiki/Palatalization" class="mw-disambig" title="Palatalization">palatalized</a> voiced velar plosive /<span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">gʲ</span>/; see <a href="/wiki/Proto-Semitic" class="mw-redirect" title="Proto-Semitic">Proto-Semitic</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Lockesdonkey" title="User:Lockesdonkey">Lockesdonkey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lockesdonkey" title="User talk:Lockesdonkey">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Lockesdonkey-2008-06-28T17:43:00.000Z-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lockesdonkey-2008-06-28T17:43:00.000Z-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lockesdonkey-2008-06-28T17:43:00.000Z-Bashari-2008-06-26T07:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abjad_numerals_link_on_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Abjad_numerals" title="Abjad numerals">Abjad numerals</a> link on template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Abjad numerals link on template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template"></span>Labeling this link as "numerology" only captures one particular way in which the abjad sequence is used (maybe not the most important one), and leaves out all other aspects... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-AnonMoos-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2009-12-10T20:57:00.000Z-Abjad_numerals_link_on_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z"><span id="The_template_title_Arabic_.C2.B7_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.B9.D8.B1.D8.A8.D9.8A.D8.A9"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z"></span>The template title Arabic · العربية<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: The template title Arabic · العربية"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية"></span>Is that a good idea? It's fine for Arabists like us, but 99% of English-speaking people are not Arabists. <a href="/wiki/User:Varlaam" title="User:Varlaam">Varlaam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Varlaam" title="User talk:Varlaam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z-The_template_title_Arabic_·_العربية"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lockesdonkey-2011-09-14T06:16:00.000Z-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z"></span>I know this is a rather late response, but the Arabic text in the template is actually just decoration, rather like the letters in <a href="/wiki/Template:Hebrew_language" title="Template:Hebrew language">Template:Hebrew language</a>, on which this template is based. I chose the image that said "العربية" rather than use Arabic letters because (1) I'm rather lazy, and that image was already on Wikipedia, while I would have had to create the new image if I wanted to put up just some letters, (2) I realized that deciding whether I wanted to go modern or <i>abjadi</i> would be a headache (former is more accurate; the latter shows a greater diversity of letter shapes), (3) the current image shows the cursive nature of Arabic script, and (4) I think this just plain looks cooler--and given that the only reason it's there is to make the template look cooler, methinks that this is the most important consideration. <a href="/wiki/User:Lockesdonkey" title="User:Lockesdonkey">Lockesdonkey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lockesdonkey" title="User talk:Lockesdonkey">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Lockesdonkey-2011-09-14T06:16:00.000Z-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lockesdonkey-2011-09-14T06:16:00.000Z-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lockesdonkey-2011-09-14T06:16:00.000Z-Varlaam-2011-06-17T21:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Expansion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Expansion-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Expansion-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z"></span>Expansion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Expansion-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Expansion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z-Expansion"></span>Is there a way to reasonably include <a href="/w/index.php?title=Arkansas_Arabic_Translation_Award&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Arkansas Arabic Translation Award (page does not exist)">Arkansas Arabic Translation Award</a>, <a href="/wiki/Arabic_machine_translation" title="Arabic machine translation">Arabic machine translation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Banipal_Prize_for_Arabic_Literary_Translation" title="Banipal Prize for Arabic Literary Translation">Banipal Prize for Arabic Literary Translation</a> and <a href="/wiki/Project_of_Translation_from_Arabic" title="Project of Translation from Arabic">Project of Translation from Arabic</a> on the template? <a href="/wiki/User:MezzoMezzo" title="User:MezzoMezzo">MezzoMezzo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MezzoMezzo" title="User talk:MezzoMezzo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z-Expansion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z-Expansion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z-Expansion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, no, I think these articles are outside the scope of this template. But they might have a place in some other navbox, maybe even a new one. --<a href="/wiki/User:NSH001" title="User:NSH001">NSH001</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NSH001" title="User talk:NSH001">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z-MezzoMezzo-2013-02-19T08:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lockesdonkey-2013-02-19T21:49:00.000Z-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z"></span>OK. Given the rather general scope of the template, it might be wise to create a template specific to translation to and from Arabic. However, <a href="/wiki/Arabic_machine_translation" title="Arabic machine translation">Arabic machine translation</a> seems to be sufficiently general to put in the "Academic" subbox as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Lockesdonkey" title="User:Lockesdonkey">Lockesdonkey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lockesdonkey" title="User talk:Lockesdonkey">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Lockesdonkey-2013-02-19T21:49:00.000Z-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lockesdonkey-2013-02-19T21:49:00.000Z-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lockesdonkey-2013-02-19T21:49:00.000Z-NSH001-2013-02-19T15:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bedouin_and_Shawi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bedouin_and_Shawi-20221222133100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bedouin_and_Shawi-20221222133100"></span>Bedouin and Shawi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bedouin_and_Shawi-20221222133100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Bedouin and Shawi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20221222133100-Bedouin_and_Shawi"></span>Where should we put <a href="/wiki/Bedouin_Arabic" title="Bedouin Arabic">Bedouin Arabic</a> and <a href="/wiki/Shawi_Arabic" title="Shawi Arabic">Shawi Arabic</a> in this template? <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20221222133100-Bedouin_and_Shawi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20221222133100-Bedouin_and_Shawi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20221222133100-Bedouin_and_Shawi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcat108-20230104075400-A455bcd9-20221222133100"></span>Bedouin Arabic is a broad typological (and partly social) classification that spans the entire MENA region, and would not fit into any of the geographical groups used in the template. Likewise, for Shawi which is a subset of Bedouin Arabic spoken in both the Levant and Mesopotamia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcat108" title="User talk:Coolcat108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Coolcat108-20230104075400-A455bcd9-20221222133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcat108-20230104075400-A455bcd9-20221222133100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcat108-20230104075400-A455bcd9-20221222133100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104091700-Coolcat108-20230104075400"></span>So where do we put them in the template @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a>?</dd> <dd>Talay, S. (2011). Arabic dialects of Mesopotamia. In G. Khan, M. P. Streck, J. C. E. Watson, & S. Weninger (Eds.), The Semitic languages: An international handbook (Vol. 36, pp. 909-920). Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter classifies Shawi as a <a href="/wiki/Gilit_dialect" class="mw-redirect" title="Gilit dialect">Gilit dialect</a> so I'll put it there.</dd> <dd>What about Bedouin Arabic: on a new line? <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104091700-Coolcat108-20230104075400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104091700-Coolcat108-20230104075400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104091700-Coolcat108-20230104075400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcat108-20230104092800-A455bcd9-20230104091700"></span>I would suggest something like Varieties > Sociological > Bedouin Arabic. I think that would also allow adding an article for “Sedentary Arabic” if it ever is created, which is plausible <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcat108" title="User talk:Coolcat108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Coolcat108-20230104092800-A455bcd9-20230104091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcat108-20230104092800-A455bcd9-20230104091700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcat108-20230104092800-A455bcd9-20230104091700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104093400-Coolcat108-20230104092800"></span>I agree. And maybe rural/urban in the future as well. <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104093400-Coolcat108-20230104092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104093400-Coolcat108-20230104092800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104093400-Coolcat108-20230104092800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104093800-A455bcd9-20230104093400"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104093800-A455bcd9-20230104093400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104093800-A455bcd9-20230104093400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104093800-A455bcd9-20230104093400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nilo-Egyptian" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nilo-Egyptian-20230104075700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nilo-Egyptian-20230104075700"></span>Nilo-Egyptian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nilo-Egyptian-20230104075700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Nilo-Egyptian"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcat108-20230104075700-Nilo-Egyptian"></span>On the Varieties of Arabic page, Sudanese and Egyptian are considered to be two separate groups. Also, grouping Egyptian and Sudanese varieties is not uncontroversial: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://doi.org/10.3390/languages6030123">https://doi.org/10.3390/languages6030123</a>. Should these two groups be separated? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcat108" title="User talk:Coolcat108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Coolcat108-20230104075700-Nilo-Egyptian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcat108-20230104075700-Nilo-Egyptian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcat108-20230104075700-Nilo-Egyptian"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104092300-Coolcat108-20230104075700"></span>What about following Glottolog for the whole template? <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/arab1395">Family: Arabic</a></dd> <dd>In any case, we should mention the sources used in the documentation here. <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104092300-Coolcat108-20230104075700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104092300-Coolcat108-20230104075700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104092300-Coolcat108-20230104075700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcat108-20230104100000-A455bcd9-20230104092300"></span>I think Glottolog’s tree has too many issues to be used here (for example classifying Baharna and Dhofari as North Arabian Beduin dialects, or the ‘Bedawi’ dialects of Sinai/Levant as Egyptic) It also uses names not commonly found in academic literature (Egyptic?) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcat108" title="User talk:Coolcat108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Coolcat108-20230104100000-A455bcd9-20230104092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcat108-20230104100000-A455bcd9-20230104092300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcat108-20230104100000-A455bcd9-20230104092300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-Coolcat108-20230104100000"></span>OK. But do we have one reliable source to classify all varieties @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-Coolcat108-20230104100000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-Coolcat108-20230104100000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-Coolcat108-20230104100000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-A455bcd9-20230104101000"></span>By the way, feel free to give them feedback: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://github.com/glottolog/glottolog/issues">https://github.com/glottolog/glottolog/issues</a> They implement changes if you give reliable sources. <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-A455bcd9-20230104101000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-A455bcd9-20230104101000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104101000-A455bcd9-20230104101000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcat108-20230104101700-A455bcd9-20230104101000"></span>I think Versteegh “The Arabic Language” (2nd ed.) (Chapter 11) is a good starting point, though he does classify Sudanese as a sub-variety of Egyptian, this is based more on historical considerations. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcat108" title="User talk:Coolcat108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Coolcat108-20230104101700-A455bcd9-20230104101000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcat108-20230104101700-A455bcd9-20230104101000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcat108-20230104101700-A455bcd9-20230104101000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104104000-Coolcat108-20230104101700"></span>Versteegh gives in Chapter 11: <ol><li>Dialects of the Arabian peninsula <ol><li>North-east Arabian dialects: Najdi <ol><li>ʿAnazī dialects (including the dialects of Kuwait, Bahrain (Sunnī) and the Gulf states)</li> <li>the Šammar dialects (including some of the Bedouin dialects in Iraq)</li> <li>Syro-Mesopotamian Bedouin dialects (including the Bedouin dialects of North Israel and Jordan, and the dialect of the Dawāġrah, a pariah tribe in the northern Sinai littoral)</li></ol></li> <li>South(-west) Arabian dialects: Yemen, Hadramaut and Ade + Shiʿite Baḥārna in Bahrain</li> <li>Ḥijāzī (West Arabian) dialects: Bedouin dialects of the Ḥijāz and the Tihāma. And maybe "urban centres in this area, chiefly Mecca and Medina"?</li> <li>North-west Arabian dialects: Negev and the Sinai + southern Jordan + eastern coast of the Gulf of ʿAqaba and "some regions in north-western Saudi Arabia"</li></ol></li> <li>Syro-Lebanese dialects (= sedentary Levantine) <ol><li>Lebanese/Central Syrian (Damascus) including Druze Arabic + Cypriot Arabic</li> <li>North Syrian (Aleppo)</li> <li>Palestinian/Jordanian dialects <ol><li>Palestinian urban</li> <li>Central Palestinian rural</li> <li>South Palestinian/Jordanian dialects (including the Ḥōrān)</li></ol></li></ol></li> <li>(Greater) Mesopotamian dialects <ol><li>qǝltu <ol><li>Tigris</li> <li>Euphrates</li> <li>Anatolian group</li></ol></li> <li>gilit <ol><li>Muslim Baghdadi</li> <li>Khuzestani urban</li></ol></li></ol></li> <li>Egyptian dialects <ol><li>Baggara / Chadian / Nigerian Arabic / Sudanic Arabic (quite unclear here)</li> <li>Egypt proper <ol><li>Delta <ol><li>Eastern Delta (Šarqiyya)</li> <li>Western Delta</li></ol></li> <li>Cairo</li> <li>Middle Egypt (Gizeh to Asyūṭ)</li> <li>Upper Egyptian dialects (Asyūṭ to the south) (Saʿīḍī?) <ol><li>Between Asyūṭ and Nag Hammadi</li> <li>Between Nag Hammadi and Qēna</li> <li>Between Qēna and Luxor</li> <li>Between Luxor and Esna</li></ol></li></ol></li></ol></li> <li>Maghreb dialects <ol><li>pre-Hilālī (all urban) <ol><li>Eastern pre-Hilālī: Libya, Tunisia, eastern Algeria</li> <li>Western pre-Hilālī: western Algeria and Morocco</li></ol></li> <li>Hilālī: Bedouin dialects of North Africa <ol><li>Sulaym: east = Libya (inc. Tripoli?) + southern Tunisia</li> <li>Eastern Hilāl: central Tunisia and eastern Algeria</li> <li>Central Hilāl: south and central Algeria, especially border areas of the Sahara</li> <li>Maʿqil: western Algeria and Morocco (plains) <ol><li>Ḥassāniyya</li></ol></li></ol></li> <li>Malta (in pre-Hilālī?)</li> <li>al-ʾAndalus</li></ol></li></ol></dd> <dd>Correct @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a>? If so we should edit <a href="/wiki/Classification_of_Arabic_languages#Arabic_varieties" title="Classification of Arabic languages">Classification_of_Arabic_languages#Arabic_varieties</a> and add this classification according to Versteegh. And then update this accordingly? <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104104000-Coolcat108-20230104101700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104104000-Coolcat108-20230104101700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104104000-Coolcat108-20230104101700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104105100-A455bcd9-20230104104000"></span>Regarding creoles and peripheral varieties, he writes: <ul><li>pp. 189–190: "The dialects spoken in the linguistic enclaves groups ultimately derive from dialect groups in the central areas, Cypriot Maronite Arabic being a Syro-Lebanese type of dialect, Maltese being a North African type of dialect, and so on."</li> <li>Chapter 16 <ul><li>Juba Arabic: "a pidginised form of (Egyptian–Sudanese) Arabic"</li> <li>Ki-Nubi: "developed out of Juba Arabic".</li> <li>Central Asian Arabic: "Their dialect turned out to be related to the Mesopotamian and Anatolian qǝltu dialects, but it had developed in a special way. [...] Belonging as it does to the qǝltu group, Uzbekistan Arabic exhibits many of the typical features of a sedentary dialect." (although, "statistically, Uzbekistan Arabic turns out to have more in common with Western Sudanic Arabic.")</li> <li>Nigerian Arabic and Baggara Arabic: "Within these dialects, two groups may be distinguished: the dialects of Nigeria, Cameroon, and part of Chad, which Owens calls ‘Bagirmi Arabic’; and the urban dialects of Chad, for example, those of N’Djamena and Abbéché." "The features of Nigerian Arabic are those of Bedouin dialects in general"</li></ul></li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104105100-A455bcd9-20230104104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104105100-A455bcd9-20230104104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104105100-A455bcd9-20230104104000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcat108-20230104105200-A455bcd9-20230104104000"></span>Yes, I think this is probably the most accurate (and detailed) traditional classification by geography, and a good reference point for updating the template and the pages dealing with classification of varieties. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Coolcat108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Coolcat108 (page does not exist)">Coolcat108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcat108" title="User talk:Coolcat108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Coolcat108-20230104105200-A455bcd9-20230104104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcat108-20230104105200-A455bcd9-20230104104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcat108-20230104105200-A455bcd9-20230104104000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104105400-Coolcat108-20230104105200"></span>Got it, feel free to update <a href="/wiki/Classification_of_Arabic_languages#Arabic_varieties" title="Classification of Arabic languages">Classification_of_Arabic_languages#Arabic_varieties</a> as I can't do it now. (otherwise I'll do it later today or tomorrow) <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104105400-Coolcat108-20230104105200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104105400-Coolcat108-20230104105200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104105400-Coolcat108-20230104105200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A455bcd9-20230104160700-A455bcd9-20230104105400"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> => <a href="/wiki/Classification_of_Arabic_languages#Modern_spoken_Arabic_varieties" title="Classification of Arabic languages">Classification_of_Arabic_languages#Modern_spoken_Arabic_varieties</a> <a href="/wiki/User:A455bcd9" title="User:A455bcd9">a455bcd9 (Antoine)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A455bcd9" title="User talk:A455bcd9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-A455bcd9-20230104160700-A455bcd9-20230104105400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A455bcd9-20230104160700-A455bcd9-20230104105400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A455bcd9-20230104160700-A455bcd9-20230104105400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ancient_South_Arabian_script" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ancient_South_Arabian_script-20241107144900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ancient_South_Arabian_script-20241107144900"></span>Ancient South Arabian script<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ancient_South_Arabian_script-20241107144900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Ancient South Arabian script"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Betau-20241107144900-Ancient_South_Arabian_script"></span>I've just removed the <i>zabūr</i> name from the Ancient South Arabian script. It was incorrect because <i>zabūr</i> only indicates the minuscule variant of ASA script, which is otherwise known as <i>musnad</i> in his monumental form. The <a href="/wiki/Ancient_South_Arabian_script#Zabūr" title="Ancient South Arabian script">page itself</a> states it. <a href="/wiki/User:Betau" title="User:Betau">Betau</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Betau&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Betau (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Arabic_language#c-Betau-20241107144900-Ancient_South_Arabian_script" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Betau-20241107144900-Ancient_South_Arabian_script"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Betau-20241107144900-Ancient_South_Arabian_script"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&oldid=1255968385">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Arabic_language&oldid=1255968385</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_language_articles" title="Category:Template-Class language articles">Template-Class language articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_language_articles" title="Category:NA-importance language articles">NA-importance language articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Languages_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Languages articles">WikiProject Languages articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Arab_world_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Arab world articles">Template-Class Arab world articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Arab_world_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Arab world articles">NA-importance Arab world articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Arab_world_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Arab world articles">WikiProject Arab world articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 7 November 2024, at 14:49<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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