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Once again, welcome, and I hope you quickly feel comfortable here, and become an active editor for Wikidata. </p><p>Best regards! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Epìdosis-2020-09-10T09:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-2020-09-10T09:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-2020-09-10T09:33:00.000Z"></span> </p> </div> <style 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role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-small" style="text-align: center;"> <tbody><tr><th><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></span></span><br/>Archives </th></tr> <tr><td style="text-align:left;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo/Year_1" title="User talk:Quesotiotyo/Year 1">Year 1</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo/Year_2" title="User talk:Quesotiotyo/Year 2">Year 2</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo/Year_3" title="User talk:Quesotiotyo/Year 3">Year 3</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo/Year_4" title="User talk:Quesotiotyo/Year 4">Year 4</a> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#name_variations!"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">name variations!</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#"not_appropriate_aliases""><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">"not appropriate aliases"</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#How_to_correctly_update_coordinates"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">How to correctly update coordinates</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Eugene_Yu-Jin"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Eugene Yu-Jin</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Lost_films"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Lost films</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Eddie_(Q125396475)"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Eddie (Q125396475)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Japanese_names_and_Latin_names"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Japanese names and Latin names</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="name_variations!" data-mw-thread-id="h-name_variations!-20240905181300"><span id="name_variations.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-name_variations!-20240905181300"></span>name variations!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-name_variations!-20240905181300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: name variations!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20240905181300-name_variations!"></span>I like the name variations, that should cut down on duplicates created, when you see the name variations. I bet we would reduce conflations if we added "(1800-1900)" the birth and death years to humans with no descriptions. <a href="/wiki/User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">RAN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20240905181300-name_variations!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20240905181300-name_variations!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20240905181300-name_variations!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""not_appropriate_aliases"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"not_appropriate_aliases"-20241010085700"><span id=".22not_appropriate_aliases.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"not_appropriate_aliases"-20241010085700"></span>"not appropriate aliases"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"not_appropriate_aliases"-20241010085700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: "not appropriate aliases""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piecesofuk-20241010085700-"not_appropriate_aliases""></span>I'm confused about why you <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3504858&oldid=prev&diff=2258436440">reverted the aliases</a> that I added to <a href="/wiki/Q3504858" title="Q3504858">H. E. Hinton <small>(Q3504858)</small></a>. These are ways that he was referred to in sources and should be in the alias field so that they can be searchable. <a href="/wiki/User:Piecesofuk" title="User:Piecesofuk">Piecesofuk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piecesofuk" title="User talk:Piecesofuk"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Piecesofuk-20241010085700-"not_appropriate_aliases"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piecesofuk-20241010085700-"not_appropriate_aliases""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piecesofuk-20241010085700-"not_appropriate_aliases""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241011015100-Piecesofuk-20241010085700"></span>He may have been referred to along with the title "Professor"/"Prof." in certain contexts but that does not make it part of his name. I would have stripped them out for you but the remaining portions were already present on the item.</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241011015100-Piecesofuk-20241010085700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241011015100-Piecesofuk-20241010085700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241011015100-Piecesofuk-20241010085700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_correctly_update_coordinates" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates-20241011174500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates-20241011174500"></span>How to correctly update coordinates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates-20241011174500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: How to correctly update coordinates"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates"></span>Hello! You reverted my change <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q117521529&oldid=prev&diff=2259170507">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q117521529&oldid=prev&diff=2259170507</a> and I'm definitely new to Wikidata and believe that I'm doing something wrong. The coordinates of the item were wrong (I think they were just of the end of the street that it was on, not of the actual location), and I mapped the cemetery using public domain aerial imagery on OpenStreetMap. What's the right way for me to correct the coordinates of a Wikidata item? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:PeterCooperJr" title="User:PeterCooperJr">PeterCooperJr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PeterCooperJr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:PeterCooperJr (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500-How_to_correctly_update_coordinates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500"></span>Hello and welcome! Wikipedia is a secondary knowledge base, meaning that we record what various sources state about an item regardless of correctness (see <a href="/wiki/Help:Statements#Add_only_verifiable_information" title="Help:Statements">Help:Statements#Add_only_verifiable_information</a>). Statements can instead be assigned <a href="/wiki/Help:Ranking" title="Help:Ranking">ranks</a> to indicate the validity of the claim. I like how <a href="/wiki/Help:Ranking#What_ranks_are_not" title="Help:Ranking">Help:Ranking#What_ranks_are_not</a> phrases it: <dl><dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r981050704">.mw-parser-output blockquote.talkquote{background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{font-style:italic}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>While a reference will ideally point to a reputable and established source of information, it's possible for a source to provide information that is incorrect or not as accurate as it could be. References merely state where a data value comes from; ranks indicate what data value is considered the most correct and, by extension, what values should be included in queries.</p></blockquote></dd></dl></dd> <dd>With regards to <a href="/wiki/Q117521529" title="Q117521529">Barefoot Cemetery <small>(Q117521529)</small></a>, I have found that the coordinates listed at Find a Grave are sometimes (as you surmised) the location of the entrance or pathway to the cemetery (even though their <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://support.findagrave.com/s/article/Questions-about-Cemeteries">support page</a> instructs that "[t]he coordinates for a cemetery should be placed in the center of the cemetery"). While I am hard-pressed to call these values "wrong" (they would be useful for navigation purposes), I will concede that they do not fit the intended purpose of <a href="/wiki/Property:P625" title="Property:P625">coordinate location <small dir="ltr">(P625)</small></a> and so I will go ahead and deprecate them. If you would then like to add georeferenced coordinates as a separate statement at a normal rank (perhaps along with <a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard <small dir="ltr">(P459)</small></a> to make it clear how they were derived), that would be fine.</dd> <dd>Hope that helps,</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200-PeterCooperJr-20241011174500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200"></span>Thank you. That was very helpful. Can you point me to the right "determination method or standard" for "I used georeferenced public domain imagery from MassGIS and picked the right point?" <a href="/wiki/User:PeterCooperJr" title="User:PeterCooperJr">PeterCooperJr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PeterCooperJr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:PeterCooperJr (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300-Quesotiotyo-20241011191200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241012074200-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300"></span>I was thinking something like <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard <small>(P459)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q772007" title="Q772007">georeferencing <small>(Q772007)</small></a></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style> along with a <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL <small dir="ltr">(P854)</small></a> (if you are able to generate a link to the viewing window) and maybe <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P3865" title="Property:P3865">type of reference <small>(P3865)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q113670888" title="Q113670888">aerial photograph <small>(Q113670888)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> as well. I would avoid using <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small>(P248)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q129997123" title="Q129997123">Massachusetts Bureau of Geographic Information <small>(Q129997123)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> since the coordinates are not stated outright, though I am failing to find an existing property that could be used to cite MassGIS as the source of the imagery (rather than of the value itself).</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241012074200-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241012074200-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241012074200-PeterCooperJr-20241011225300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Eugene_Yu-Jin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eugene_Yu-Jin-20241015021700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eugene_Yu-Jin-20241015021700"></span>Eugene Yu-Jin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eugene_Yu-Jin-20241015021700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Eugene Yu-Jin"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kiran891-20241015021700-Eugene_Yu-Jin"></span>Hi Q, You recently reverted multiple edits I had made. (<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q127252578&oldid=prev&diff=2260780850&diffmode=source">ex</a>). I had selected Eugene when I filled the given name property p735 (auto matched using openrfine) but now that it was changed to Yu-Jin by someone else, I see it was a bad match. Just wanted to clarify that it was not malicious. <s>Instead of completely removing the name, why name switch to the correct Eugene?</s> (Nvm, I see you have done that. Thanks.) </p><p>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Kiran891" title="User:Kiran891">Kiran891</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kiran891" title="User talk:Kiran891"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Kiran891-20241015021700-Eugene_Yu-Jin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kiran891-20241015021700-Eugene_Yu-Jin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kiran891-20241015021700-Eugene_Yu-Jin"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241015174900-Kiran891-20241015021700"></span>There are still quite a few bad name matches that you have added, I hope that you will take some time to find and fix them if you'd rather I'd not. --<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241015174900-Kiran891-20241015021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241015174900-Kiran891-20241015021700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241015174900-Kiran891-20241015021700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lost_films" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lost_films-20241017231000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lost_films-20241017231000"></span>Lost films<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lost_films-20241017231000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Lost films"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ooligan-20241017231000-Lost_films"></span>Could you please help me understand this edit here: <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2260103&curid=2183045&diff=2249453315&oldid=2249426853">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2260103&curid=2183045&diff=2249453315&oldid=2249426853</a> Thank you, -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ooligan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ooligan (page does not exist)">Ooligan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ooligan" title="User talk:Ooligan"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Ooligan-20241017231000-Lost_films" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ooligan-20241017231000-Lost_films"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ooligan-20241017231000-Lost_films"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100-Ooligan-20241017231000"></span>Sure, <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event <small dir="ltr">(P793)</small></a> should link to an event or occurrence, but <a href="/wiki/Q1268687" title="Q1268687">lost film <small>(Q1268687)</small></a> is neither of those. The term "lost film" describes an ongoing status, not a onetime thing. There may have been an event (such as a studio fire) which is known to have resulted in the film becoming lost; that could be added as a <a href="/wiki/Property:P828" title="Property:P828">has cause <small dir="ltr">(P828)</small></a> qualifier on the <a href="/wiki/Property:P12020" title="Property:P12020">state of transmission <small dir="ltr">(P12020)</small></a> statement.</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100-Ooligan-20241017231000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100-Ooligan-20241017231000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100-Ooligan-20241017231000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ooligan-20241018193100-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100"></span>I appreciate the explaination. So, how does that compare to this <a href="/wiki/Property:P5816" title="Property:P5816">Property:P5816</a> and why is this property not the correct one to use?</dd> <dd>Description= "<i>to indicate <u>state of conservation</u> of a building, monument, artifact, etc. It is not related with its heritage protection (P1435), but to its present state of conservation. Ex.: ruinous, demolished, correct, etc.</i>" (underline added) Thank you, -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ooligan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ooligan (page does not exist)">Ooligan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ooligan" title="User talk:Ooligan"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Ooligan-20241018193100-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ooligan-20241018193100-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ooligan-20241018193100-Quesotiotyo-20241018180100"></span> <dl><dd>P5816 is for individual material items. It could be applied to a specific copy of a film, but not the overall concept of the film as a creative work. --<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Eddie_(Q125396475)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eddie_(Q125396475)-20241119053900"><span id="Eddie_.28Q125396475.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eddie_(Q125396475)-20241119053900"></span><a href="/wiki/Q125396475" title="Q125396475">Eddie <small>(Q125396475)</small></a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eddie_(Q125396475)-20241119053900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Eddie (Q125396475)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ovruni-20241119053900-Eddie_(Q125396475)"></span>Hello Quesotiotyo, the element <a href="/wiki/Q125396475" title="Q125396475">Eddie <small>(Q125396475)</small></a> refers to a female name used by women in Peru. Why was it merged into <a href="/wiki/Q430699" title="Q430699">Eddie <small>(Q430699)</small></a> as a male name? --<a href="/wiki/User:Ovruni" title="User:Ovruni">Ovruni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ovruni" title="User talk:Ovruni"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Ovruni-20241119053900-Eddie_(Q125396475)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ovruni-20241119053900-Eddie_(Q125396475)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ovruni-20241119053900-Eddie_(Q125396475)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300-Ovruni-20241119053900"></span>The name is written the same either way, so we treat it as the same thing. The <a href="/wiki/Property:P1705" title="Property:P1705">native label <small dir="ltr">(P1705)</small></a> value is really what defines what any name item is, everything else can then be determined from whom the name is given. Looking at Wikidata items specifically, there are over 2,000 males with this name and only a handful of females, therefore it is clearly a <a href="/wiki/Q12308941" title="Q12308941">male given name <small>(Q12308941)</small></a>. If as you say the opposite is true in Peru in particular, then an <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small dir="ltr">(P31)</small></a> value can be set along with a <a href="/wiki/Property:P3005" title="Property:P3005">valid in place <small dir="ltr">(P3005)</small></a> qualifier to restrict the statement appropriately.</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300-Ovruni-20241119053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300-Ovruni-20241119053900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300-Ovruni-20241119053900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ovruni-20241119061100-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300"></span>I don't know if it is unique to Peru, but I created that name to add the Peruvian female researcher. I have even found other female researchers that I have just created. In each of them there is a <a href="/wiki/Property:P10452" title="Property:P10452">Renacyt ID <small dir="ltr">(P10452)</small></a> property value where the <b>female gender</b> ("Género:Femenino" in spanish) is also indicated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ovruni" title="User:Ovruni">Ovruni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ovruni" title="User talk:Ovruni"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Ovruni-20241119061100-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ovruni-20241119061100-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ovruni-20241119061100-Quesotiotyo-20241119060300"></span> <dl><dd>Yes, please make sure to add that as a reference to the P21 statements for these researchers, it will help to show that the correct value was entered. --<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Japanese_names_and_Latin_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names-20241119062400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names-20241119062400"></span>Japanese names and Latin names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names-20241119062400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quesotiotyo&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Japanese names and Latin names"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ovruni-20241119062400-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names"></span>I take this opportunity to ask you a question since it seems that you know more about this matter of names than I do. Can Japanese names go together with names in the Latin alphabet or should they go in a separate element? For Peruvian researchers, I have added several elements of names and surnames of Peruvian people that are written in the Latin language and from time to time I see that a user modifies some of them to put them as Japanese (another type of writing). <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q125421258&diff=2275789920&oldid=2258961783">Here is a recent example from the user</a>. Regards --<a href="/wiki/User:Ovruni" title="User:Ovruni">Ovruni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ovruni" title="User talk:Ovruni"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Ovruni-20241119062400-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ovruni-20241119062400-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ovruni-20241119062400-Japanese_names_and_Latin_names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800-Ovruni-20241119062400"></span>No, Japanese and Latin names should have separate items. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lombroso&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lombroso (page does not exist)">User:Lombroso</a> applied the name <a href="/wiki/Q125421258" title="Q125421258">Kimiyo <small>(Q125421258)</small></a> (which had been set as "Kimiyo" in the Latin script) to <a href="/wiki/Q23035612" title="Q23035612">someone with a Japanese name</a> and then changed Q125421258 to be about "きみよ" instead. Both of these were wrong and should be undone.</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Quesotiotyo" title="User:Quesotiotyo">Quesotiotyo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800-Ovruni-20241119062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800-Ovruni-20241119062400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800-Ovruni-20241119062400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ovruni-20241120012200-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800"></span>Thanks for your reply, I have moved the statements to another new item (<a href="/wiki/Q131290901" title="Q131290901">Kimiyo <small>(Q131290901)</small></a>), in addition to the site link which seems to refer to the Japanese name, as well as modifying the values to other items of Japanese people were pointing to <a href="/wiki/Q125421258" title="Q125421258">Kimiyo <small>(Q125421258)</small></a> (Latin script). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ovruni" title="User:Ovruni">Ovruni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ovruni" title="User talk:Ovruni"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Quesotiotyo#c-Ovruni-20241120012200-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ovruni-20241120012200-Quesotiotyo-20241119065800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" 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