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Sections older than <b>14 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 18 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> </center> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?-20240313001600"><span id="What_is_a_.27reliable_source.27_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?-20240313001600"></span>What is a 'reliable source' ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?-20240313001600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: What is a 'reliable source' ?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marvas85-20240313001600-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?"></span>What makes a source reliable, and another source unreliable, and given that I disproved your so called reliable sources which claim GR was experimentally verified, and shown all those experiments were completelly fucked up by idiots who have no clue about basic refraction physics, doesnt that show that they are completely unreliable ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marvas85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marvas85 (page does not exist)">Marvas85</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marvas85" title="User talk:Marvas85">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Marvas85-20240313001600-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marvas85-20240313001600-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marvas85-20240313001600-What_is_a_'reliable_source'_?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240313002000-Marvas85-20240313001600"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">wp:reliable sources</a>.</dd> <dd>You probably need to stick to your blog for this. WIkipedia is not a publisher of original research. And please mind your language. Edit summaries such as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_the_theory_of_relativity&diff=prev&oldid=1213426029">"FUCK YOU and your stupid bots/moderators that delete the proof that GR is WRONG"</a> are utterly unacceptable here. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240313002000-Marvas85-20240313001600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240313002000-Marvas85-20240313001600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240313002000-Marvas85-20240313001600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marvas85-20240623090500-DVdm-20240313002000"></span>So no criticism of any theory is accepted by wikipedia, despite using widely known science and formulas ? I did not invent v=c/n, nor f=v/lambda. I just applied them to the Pound and Rebka experiment, and got a blueshift/redshift from this formulas. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marvas85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marvas85 (page does not exist)">Marvas85</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marvas85" title="User talk:Marvas85">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Marvas85-20240623090500-DVdm-20240313002000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marvas85-20240623090500-DVdm-20240313002000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marvas85-20240623090500-DVdm-20240313002000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marvas85-20240623090800-DVdm-20240313002000"></span>Even on the wikipedia article on refraction it says that refraction changes the wavelength. So in Pound-Rebka experiment if they use helium and air guess what happens ? They change the wavelength from refraction. And also by the Compton scattering which redshifts the gammaray. And no, I did not invent Compton effect either. Look it up, its on your wikipedia page too. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marvas85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marvas85 (page does not exist)">Marvas85</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marvas85" title="User talk:Marvas85">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Marvas85-20240623090800-DVdm-20240313002000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marvas85-20240623090800-DVdm-20240313002000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marvas85-20240623090800-DVdm-20240313002000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240623135500-Marvas85-20240623090800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marvas85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marvas85 (page does not exist)">Marvas85</a>:</span> Assuming you are referring to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gravitational_redshift&diff=next&oldid=1221865309">this revert</a>, resulting in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMarvas85&diff=1221880487&oldid=1213426160">this warning</a> by user <a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a>, no, criticism of any theory by any editor is <i>not</i> accepted by Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not criticise. Wikipedia reports what is found in the literature, and which is sufficiently notable to be quoted by sufficiently many others. That is what encyclopedias are designed for. If some criticism of some theory is widely published in the established literature, <i>then</i> Wikipedia can mention that as a <i>fact</i>, not as <i>criticism by a contributor</i>. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240623135500-Marvas85-20240623090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240623135500-Marvas85-20240623090800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240623135500-Marvas85-20240623090800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_edit_I_wish_to_make" data-mw-thread-id="h-An_edit_I_wish_to_make-20240318091300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_edit_I_wish_to_make-20240318091300"></span>An edit I wish to make<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_edit_I_wish_to_make-20240318091300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: An edit I wish to make"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegan416-20240318091300-An_edit_I_wish_to_make"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> </p><p>This is a paragraph I wish to make to add to the <a href="/wiki/Daboia_palaestinae" title="Daboia palaestinae">Daboia Paelestinae</a> page: </p><p>"The <a href="/wiki/LD50" class="mw-redirect" title="LD50">LD50</a> of this viper's venom is 0.34mg/kg.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> The mortality rate of people who were bitten is 0.5% to 2%.<sup id="cite_ref-:0_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-:0-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> The venom includes at least four families of pharmacologically active compounds: (i) <a href="/wiki/Neurotoxin" title="Neurotoxin">neurotoxins</a>; (ii) <a href="/wiki/Hemorrhagin" class="mw-redirect" title="Hemorrhagin">hemorrhagins</a>; (iii) <a href="/w/index.php?title=Angioneurin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Angioneurin (page does not exist)">angioneurin</a> growth factors; and (iv) different types of <a href="/wiki/Integrin" title="Integrin">integrin</a> inhibitors.<sup id="cite_ref-:0_2-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-:0-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>" </p><p>I'm informing you ahead of time to make sure you don't jump the gun and try to block me without warning based on a mistaken assumption that this is original research. The issues that might confuse you are (a) that the LD50 is not mentioned in abstract of the first paper. However it appears in the body of the article in a graph. (b) The name of the snake used in the second article is not Daboia but one of the other scientific names of this snake (which appears in the synonyms tab of the <a href="/wiki/Daboia_palaestinae" title="Daboia palaestinae">Daboia Paelestinae</a> page). While you might think that concluding that the paper talks about the same snake as the wikipedia entry is synthesis and therefore original research, in fact it isn't. </p><p>Please respond if you agree or not. </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFSenji_LaxmeKhochareAttardeKaur2022" class="citation journal cs1">Senji Laxme, R. R.; Khochare, Suyog; Attarde, Saurabh; Kaur, Navneet; Jaikumar, Priyanka; Shaikh, Naeem Yusuf; Aharoni, Reuven; Primor, Naftali; Hawlena, Dror; Moran, Yehu; Sunagar, Kartik (2022). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6651/14/11/725">"The Middle Eastern Cousin: Comparative Venomics of Daboia palaestinae and Daboia russelii"</a>. <i>Toxins</i>. <b>14</b> (11): 725. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.3390%2Ftoxins14110725">10.3390/toxins14110725</a>. <a href="/wiki/ISSN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISSN (identifier)">ISSN</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.worldcat.org/issn/2072-6651">2072-6651</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=Toxins&rft.atitle=The+Middle+Eastern+Cousin%3A+Comparative+Venomics+of+Daboia+palaestinae+and+Daboia+russelii&rft.volume=14&rft.issue=11&rft.pages=725&rft.date=2022&rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.3390%2Ftoxins14110725&rft.issn=2072-6651&rft.aulast=Senji+Laxme&rft.aufirst=R.+R.&rft.au=Khochare%2C+Suyog&rft.au=Attarde%2C+Saurabh&rft.au=Kaur%2C+Navneet&rft.au=Jaikumar%2C+Priyanka&rft.au=Shaikh%2C+Naeem+Yusuf&rft.au=Aharoni%2C+Reuven&rft.au=Primor%2C+Naftali&rft.au=Hawlena%2C+Dror&rft.au=Moran%2C+Yehu&rft.au=Sunagar%2C+Kartik&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2F2072-6651%2F14%2F11%2F725&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ADVdm" class="Z3988"></span><span class="cs1-maint citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a>}}</code>: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (<a href="/wiki/Category:CS1_maint:_unflagged_free_DOI" title="Category:CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI">link</a>)</span></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-:0-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-:0_2-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-:0_2-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFMomicArlinghausArien-ZakayKatzhendler2011" class="citation journal cs1">Momic, Tatjana; Arlinghaus, Franziska T.; Arien-Zakay, Hadar; Katzhendler, Jeoshua; Eble, Johannes A.; Marcinkiewicz, Cezary; Lazarovici, Philip (2011-11-14). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237004/">"Pharmacological Aspects of Vipera xantina palestinae Venom"</a>. <i>Toxins</i>. <b>3</b> (11): 1420–1432. <a href="/wiki/ISSN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISSN (identifier)">ISSN</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.worldcat.org/issn/2072-6651">2072-6651</a>. <a href="/wiki/PMC_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="PMC (identifier)">PMC</a> <span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237004">3237004</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/PMID_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="PMID (identifier)">PMID</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22174978">22174978</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=Toxins&rft.atitle=Pharmacological+Aspects+of+Vipera+xantina+palestinae+Venom&rft.volume=3&rft.issue=11&rft.pages=1420-1432&rft.date=2011-11-14&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC3237004%23id-name%3DPMC&rft.issn=2072-6651&rft_id=info%3Apmid%2F22174978&rft.aulast=Momic&rft.aufirst=Tatjana&rft.au=Arlinghaus%2C+Franziska+T.&rft.au=Arien-Zakay%2C+Hadar&rft.au=Katzhendler%2C+Jeoshua&rft.au=Eble%2C+Johannes+A.&rft.au=Marcinkiewicz%2C+Cezary&rft.au=Lazarovici%2C+Philip&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC3237004%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ADVdm" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Vegan416" title="User:Vegan416">Vegan416</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vegan416" title="User talk:Vegan416">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Vegan416-20240318091300-An_edit_I_wish_to_make" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegan416-20240318091300-An_edit_I_wish_to_make"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegan416-20240318091300-An_edit_I_wish_to_make"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240318095000-Vegan416-20240318091300"></span>Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS">wp:SYNTHESIS</a> and draw your own conclusion. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240318095000-Vegan416-20240318091300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240318095000-Vegan416-20240318091300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240318095000-Vegan416-20240318091300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegan416-20240318134200-DVdm-20240318095000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> <ol><li>I read the relevant policy pages many times. I know well that NONE of what I did here is original research according to the policy pages. As regarding this particular case let me quote the following from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:These_are_not_original_research" title="Wikipedia:These are not original research">"These are not original research" page</a>: "Identifying synonymous terms, and collecting related information under a common heading is also part of writing an encyclopedia. Reliable sources do not always use consistent terminology, and it is sometimes necessary to determine when two sources are calling the same thing by different names. This does not require a third source to state this explicitly, as long as the conclusion is obvious from the context of the sources."</li> <li>But I still feel I need to get your approval because the combined effect of the following facts: a. You seem to have an extreme interpretation of what is original research, much more strict than the policy pages. b. You have threatened to block me without warning if I'll make again what YOU think is original research. c. The incident of the Brooklyn papyrus show that you are not beyond jumping the gun.</li> <li>Of course I don't know if you really have the power to block me without warning. I see that you have been editor for many years and have made an impressive number of edits, but I don't know if you have any administrative powers in wikipedia. Still, because it is better to be safe than sorry I'm afraid I'll have to continue to check edits with you beforehand, at least until you walkback on your threat.</li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Vegan416" title="User:Vegan416">Vegan416</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vegan416" title="User talk:Vegan416">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Vegan416-20240318134200-DVdm-20240318095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegan416-20240318134200-DVdm-20240318095000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegan416-20240318134200-DVdm-20240318095000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman-20240401165400"><span id="Surely_You.27re_Joking.2C_Mr._Feynman"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman-20240401165400"></span>Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman-20240401165400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman"></span>My removal of content was repeatedly explained, and therefore I consider your revert with the assertion that it was not to be in bad faith. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265" title="Special:Contributions/2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265">2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265" title="User talk:2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400-Surely_You're_Joking,_Mr._Feynman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240401174200-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400"></span>After the first time that your edit was reverted (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Surely_You%27re_Joking%2C_Mr._Feynman%21&diff=1216628951&oldid=1216609553">[1]</a>), you should have gone to the talk page — see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">wp:BRD</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">wp:CONSENSUS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOCONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOCONSENSUS">wp:NOCONSENSUS</a>. Re-reverting it amounts to edit warring. It's good that you went there after the second revert (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Surely_You%27re_Joking,_Mr._Feynman!&diff=prev&oldid=1216730146">[2]</a>). There you should find the explanation why the content belongs (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASurely_You%27re_Joking%2C_Mr._Feynman%21&diff=1216730711&oldid=1216730326">[3]</a>). - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240401174200-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240401174200-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240401174200-2601:642:4600:D3B0:56C:3F16:53EF:5265-20240401165400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spacetime_and_squared_interval" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spacetime_and_squared_interval-20240417001100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spacetime_and_squared_interval-20240417001100"></span>Spacetime and squared interval<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spacetime_and_squared_interval-20240417001100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Spacetime and squared interval"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100-Spacetime_and_squared_interval"></span>About your message at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:487D:6A2A:2128:BC24#April_2024" title="User talk:2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:487D:6A2A:2128:BC24">User talk:2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:487D:6A2A:2128:BC24#April 2024</a>. </p><p>On <a href="/wiki/Spacetime" title="Spacetime">Spacetime</a>, I read this after the paragraph where I made change: </p> <dl><dd>The squared interval <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi mathvariant="normal">Δ</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/5d76e6fc5f1353a997222afbf3f50f1e57731a17" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:4.081ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"/></span> is a measure of separation between events A and B that are time separated and in addition space separated either because there are two separate objects undergoing events, or because a single object in space is moving inertially between its events.</dd></dl> <p>So, why is <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi mathvariant="normal">Δ</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/5d76e6fc5f1353a997222afbf3f50f1e57731a17" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:4.081ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"/></span> not the squared spacetime interval? </p><p>On the French Wikipedia (<a class="external free" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervalle_d%27espace-temps">https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervalle_d%27espace-temps</a>), we read: </p> <dl><dd>Le <i>carré</i> de l’<b>intervalle d'espace-temps</b> (translation: squared spacetime interval)</dd></dl> <p>Moreover, on <a class="external free" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervalle_d%27espace-temps#Expression_en_relativit%C3%A9_restreinte">https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervalle_d%27espace-temps#Expression_en_relativit%C3%A9_restreinte</a>, we read: </p> <dl><dd>Dans la géométrie de l'espace-temps de la <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/relativit%C3%A9_restreinte" class="extiw" title="fr:relativité restreinte">fr:relativité restreinte</a>, on écrit le « carré de l'intervalle d'espace-temps », noté <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi mathvariant="normal">Δ</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/5d76e6fc5f1353a997222afbf3f50f1e57731a17" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:4.081ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"/></span>, entre deux événements A et B de coordonnées (<span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle t_{\text{A}},x_{\text{A}},y_{\text{A}},z_{\text{A}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msub> <mi>t</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mi>x</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mi>y</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mi>z</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle t_{\text{A}},x_{\text{A}},y_{\text{A}},z_{\text{A}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/0af756d10e77b9b26400de1a724bf001aed9e52b" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:13.351ex; height:2.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle t_{\text{A}},x_{\text{A}},y_{\text{A}},z_{\text{A}}}"/></span>) et (<span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle t_{\text{B}},x_{\text{B}},y_{\text{B}},z_{\text{B}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msub> <mi>t</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mi>x</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mi>y</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mi>z</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle t_{\text{B}},x_{\text{B}},y_{\text{B}},z_{\text{B}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/cf96fc4c8f98adb195030c7620415729e6b2c8b9" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:13.075ex; height:2.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle t_{\text{B}},x_{\text{B}},y_{\text{B}},z_{\text{B}}}"/></span>) dans un espace-temps à quatre dimensions (une de temps, soit <i>t</i>, et trois d'espace) sous la forme</dd> <dd><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle (\Delta s)^{2}=\,c^{2}(t_{\text{B}}-t_{\text{A}})^{2}-(x_{\text{B}}-x_{\text{A}})^{2}-(y_{\text{B}}-y_{\text{A}})^{2}-(z_{\text{B}}-z_{\text{A}})^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi mathvariant="normal">Δ</mi> <mi>s</mi> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>=</mo> <mspace width="thinmathspace"></mspace> <msup> <mi>c</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <msub> <mi>t</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>−</mo> <msub> <mi>t</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>−</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <msub> <mi>x</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>−</mo> <msub> <mi>x</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>−</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <msub> <mi>y</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>−</mo> <msub> <mi>y</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>−</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <msub> <mi>z</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>B</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <mo>−</mo> <msub> <mi>z</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>A</mtext> </mrow> </msub> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle (\Delta s)^{2}=\,c^{2}(t_{\text{B}}-t_{\text{A}})^{2}-(x_{\text{B}}-x_{\text{A}})^{2}-(y_{\text{B}}-y_{\text{A}})^{2}-(z_{\text{B}}-z_{\text{A}})^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/c35d5b4eeffcb3e9ba74faf8278b760f010d5c5a" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:62.995ex; height:3.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle (\Delta s)^{2}=\,c^{2}(t_{\text{B}}-t_{\text{A}})^{2}-(x_{\text{B}}-x_{\text{A}})^{2}-(y_{\text{B}}-y_{\text{A}})^{2}-(z_{\text{B}}-z_{\text{A}})^{2}}"/></span></dd></dl> <p>(Translation:) In spacetime geometry of special relativity, we write the <b>squared spacetime interval</b>, noted <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi mathvariant="normal">Δ</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/5d76e6fc5f1353a997222afbf3f50f1e57731a17" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:4.081ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \Delta s^{2}}"/></span>... </p><p>You say: <b>Note</b>: check the cited source, where the interval is defined as a square. </p><p>Where is the <b>cited source</b>? If it's the ref 32 <b>D'Inverno, Ray (1992). <i>Introducing Einstein's Relativity</i>. New York: Oxford University Press.</b>, I don't have access to it. </p><p>Moreover: still on <a href="/wiki/Spacetime" title="Spacetime">Spacetime</a>, we read: </p> <dl><dd>In a different inertial frame, say with coordinates <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle (t',x',y',z')}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <msup> <mi>t</mi> <mo>′</mo> </msup> <mo>,</mo> <msup> <mi>x</mi> <mo>′</mo> </msup> <mo>,</mo> <msup> <mi>y</mi> <mo>′</mo> </msup> <mo>,</mo> <msup> <mi>z</mi> <mo>′</mo> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle (t',x',y',z')}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/0570a0199bfae73e0e14346ad593034c49540343" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:12.07ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle (t',x',y',z')}"/></span>, <b>the spacetime interval</b> <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle ds'}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>d</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mo>′</mo> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle ds'}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/ce50b62a45f76307b0e69bd7f94b64088d977439" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:2.991ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle ds'}"/></span> can be written in a same form as above.</dd></dl> <p>So the spacetime interval is <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle ds}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>d</mi> <mi>s</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle ds}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/5f0fb36e4308227d3e4a1f809c2571ec02527100" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:2.306ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle ds}"/></span> or <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle ds^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>d</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle ds^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/dcbeadecfd3d657628269afa2f6a1d20b0bf1cce" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.361ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle ds^{2}}"/></span>? </p><p>I can understand different convention on different article on Wikipedia on different language. But not different convention on the SAME article. </p><p>In short: </p> <ul><li>what is the name of <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle s}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>s</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle s}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/01d131dfd7673938b947072a13a9744fe997e632" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.09ex; height:1.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle s}"/></span>?</li> <li>what is the name of <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle ds}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>d</mi> <mi>s</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle ds}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/5f0fb36e4308227d3e4a1f809c2571ec02527100" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:2.306ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle ds}"/></span>?</li> <li>what is the name of <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle ds^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>d</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle ds^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/dcbeadecfd3d657628269afa2f6a1d20b0bf1cce" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.361ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle ds^{2}}"/></span>?</li></ul> <p>On French Wikipedia (<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervalle_d%27espace-temps#Métrique" class="extiw" title="fr:Intervalle d'espace-temps">fr:Intervalle_d'espace-temps#Métrique</a>), <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle ds^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>d</mi> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle ds^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/dcbeadecfd3d657628269afa2f6a1d20b0bf1cce" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.361ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle ds^{2}}"/></span> is named: le carré de l'intervalle <i>infinitésimal</i> d'espace-temps (translation: the square of the infinitesimal spacetime interval). </p><p>Thanks for your help. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C" title="Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C">2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100-Spacetime_and_squared_interval" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100-Spacetime_and_squared_interval"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100-Spacetime_and_squared_interval"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240417102200-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100"></span>Thanks for coming to my talk page. See <sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1232521257"><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFRay_d'InvernoJames_Vickers2022" class="citation book cs1">Ray d'Inverno; James Vickers (2022). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=LGxvEAAAQBAJ"><i>Introducing Einstein's Relativity: A Deeper Understanding</i></a> (illustrated ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 27. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-19-886202-4" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-19-886202-4"><bdi>978-0-19-886202-4</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Introducing+Einstein%27s+Relativity%3A+A+Deeper+Understanding&rft.pages=27&rft.edition=illustrated&rft.pub=Oxford+University+Press&rft.date=2022&rft.isbn=978-0-19-886202-4&rft.au=Ray+d%27Inverno&rft.au=James+Vickers&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DLGxvEAAAQBAJ&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ADVdm" class="Z3988"></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=LGxvEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA27">Extract of page 27</a></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>"<i>In this picture, the square of the <b>interval</b> between any two events <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle (t1,x1,y1,z1)}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>t</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>,</mo> <mi>x</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>,</mo> <mi>y</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>,</mo> <mi>z</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle (t1,x1,y1,z1)}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/1e79a541d8943260c98f2e260c727bac436b6331" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:13.974ex; height:2.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle (t1,x1,y1,z1)}"/></span> and <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle (t2,x2,y2,z2)}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>t</mi> <mn>2</mn> <mo>,</mo> <mi>x</mi> <mn>2</mn> <mo>,</mo> <mi>y</mi> <mn>2</mn> <mo>,</mo> <mi>z</mi> <mn>2</mn> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle (t2,x2,y2,z2)}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/0521cb757da0ac0a392feb91bb6dbcc4eff26306" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:13.974ex; height:2.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle (t2,x2,y2,z2)}"/></span> is defined by <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle s^{2}=(t1-t2)^{2}-(x1-x2)^{2}-(y1-y2)^{2}-(z1-z2)^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>=</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>t</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>−</mo> <mi>t</mi> <mn>2</mn> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>−</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>x</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>−</mo> <mi>x</mi> <mn>2</mn> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>−</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>y</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>−</mo> <mi>y</mi> <mn>2</mn> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> <mo>−</mo> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>z</mi> <mn>1</mn> <mo>−</mo> <mi>z</mi> <mn>2</mn> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle s^{2}=(t1-t2)^{2}-(x1-x2)^{2}-(y1-y2)^{2}-(z1-z2)^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/bf381bafdb2edf9992ee899d9d5e197ba6514b74" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:54.706ex; height:3.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle s^{2}=(t1-t2)^{2}-(x1-x2)^{2}-(y1-y2)^{2}-(z1-z2)^{2}}"/></span> and it is this quantity which is invariant under a Lorentz transformation.Note that, formally, we always denote the ‘square’ of the interval by <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle s^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle s^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/58d7841cee3671436949ee789b84a848fd150bd3" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:2.145ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle s^{2}}"/></span>, but the quantity <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle s}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>s</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle s}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/01d131dfd7673938b947072a13a9744fe997e632" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.09ex; height:1.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle s}"/></span> is only defined if the right-hand side of (2.12) is nonnegative.</i>"</dd></dl></dd> <dd>So, indeed the phrase "<i>the square <b>of</b> the interval ... is defined <b>by</b> <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle s^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msup> <mi>s</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle s^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/58d7841cee3671436949ee789b84a848fd150bd3" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:2.145ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle s^{2}}"/></span> = ...</i>" can be paraphrased to "<i>the squared spacetime interval is defined as <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle (\Delta {s})^{2}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi mathvariant="normal">Δ</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>s</mi> </mrow> <msup> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>2</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle (\Delta {s})^{2}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/28dafa371298280ba0fc2780b2df5edbb4d4ac6b" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:5.89ex; height:3.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle (\Delta {s})^{2}}"/></span> ...</i>"</dd> <dd>I have undone my edit and put the citation with the link in place in the article (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spacetime&diff=1219369023&oldid=1219282987">[4]</a>) and struck my comment on your user talk page (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A2A01%3ACB10%3A85B%3A9D00%3A487D%3A6A2A%3A2128%3ABC24&diff=1219369258&oldid=1219283540">[5]</a>). You were correct. My apologies. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240417102200-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240417102200-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240417102200-2A01:CB10:85B:9D00:8561:9255:3884:112C-20240417001100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Precious_anniversary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Precious_anniversary-20240511090400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Precious_anniversary-20240511090400"></span>Precious anniversary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Precious_anniversary-20240511090400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Precious anniversary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240511090400-Precious_anniversary"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-radius:0.5em;"><caption class="infobox-title">Precious</caption><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/100px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/150px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/200px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1490" data-file-height="1792"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Precious#DVdm" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious">Six years!</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Gerda_Arendt-20240511090400-Precious_anniversary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240511090400-Precious_anniversary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240511090400-Precious_anniversary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI-20240522151600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI-20240522151600"></span>Discussion of disruptive editing by <a href="/wiki/User:A.Viki_Wiki7" title="User:A.Viki Wiki7">User:A.Viki Wiki7</a> at ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI-20240522151600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Discussion of disruptive editing by User:A.Viki Wiki7 at ANI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nfutvol-20240522151600-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI"></span>Good day, I have started a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">ANI</a> on disruptive editing by a user you have interacted with, <a href="/wiki/User:A.Viki_Wiki7" title="User:A.Viki Wiki7">A.Viki Wiki7</a>. If you'd like to take part, the discussion can be found <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:_A.Viki_Wiki7">here</a>. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Nfutvol" title="User:Nfutvol">nf utvol</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nfutvol" title="User talk:Nfutvol">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Nfutvol-20240522151600-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nfutvol-20240522151600-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nfutvol-20240522151600-Discussion_of_disruptive_editing_by_User:A.Viki_Wiki7_at_ANI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation-20240621224700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation-20240621224700"></span>Experiencing Wigner Rotation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation-20240621224700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Experiencing Wigner Rotation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randallbsmith-20240621224700-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation"></span>Hello. I see you have participated in talk regarding the Wikipedia page on Wigner Rotation, (which looks to be well done, BTW.) I have been working for a few years on a simulation environment, and in it, you can easily undergo four equal-sized acceleration bursts in each of four orthogonal directions. The resulting rotation is clearly seen. Please visit <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://RelativityLand.org">http://RelativityLand.org</a>, I have just made it publicly available. I am trying to publicize this work to physics educators, anything you can do to “spread the word” would be appreciated. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Randallbsmith" title="User:Randallbsmith">Randallbsmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randallbsmith" title="User talk:Randallbsmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Randallbsmith-20240621224700-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randallbsmith-20240621224700-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randallbsmith-20240621224700-Experiencing_Wigner_Rotation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240621225800-Randallbsmith-20240621224700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Randallbsmith" title="User:Randallbsmith">Randallbsmith</a>:</span> You might have the wrong person in mind, as I have made no edits to <a href="/wiki/Wigner_rotation" title="Wigner rotation">Wigner rotation</a> or <a href="/wiki/Talk:Wigner_rotation" title="Talk:Wigner rotation">Talk:Wigner rotation</a>. Also note that Wikipedia is really not the place to “spread the word” about new developments <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>. Cheers. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240621225800-Randallbsmith-20240621224700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240621225800-Randallbsmith-20240621224700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240621225800-Randallbsmith-20240621224700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vedic_heliocentrism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vedic_heliocentrism-20240720105600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vedic_heliocentrism-20240720105600"></span>Vedic heliocentrism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vedic_heliocentrism-20240720105600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Vedic heliocentrism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600-Vedic_heliocentrism"></span> some one had readded the statement about heliocentrism in Vedic scriptures in <a href="/wiki/Heliocentrism" title="Heliocentrism">heliocentrism</a> article the subsection of ancient India talks about is<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style></p><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Vedic era philosopher Yajnavalkya (c. 900–700 Century BCE) proposed elements of heliocentrism stating that the Sun was "the center of the spheres</p></blockquote><p> can you see whether this reference provide is reliable and secondly the reference is based on the work <i>Discovery that changed the world</i> by a person named Rodney castleden who isn't even a historian nor a physicist nor his work isn't even an scientific journal <a href="/wiki/User:Myuoh_kaka_roi" title="User:Myuoh kaka roi">Myuoh kaka roi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myuoh_kaka_roi" title="User talk:Myuoh kaka roi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600-Vedic_heliocentrism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600-Vedic_heliocentrism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600-Vedic_heliocentrism"></span> </p><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240720114700-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Myuoh_kaka_roi" title="User:Myuoh kaka roi">Myuoh kaka roi</a>:</span> best to bring this up at the article talk page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Heliocentrism" title="Talk:Heliocentrism">Talk:Heliocentrism</a>. Cheers. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240720114700-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240720114700-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240720114700-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720105600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720120300-DVdm-20240720114700"></span>Thanks I had already added it in the talk page so that changes will occur and secondly I think most of the information of Vedic heliocentrism comes from this article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Yajnavalkya%27s_theory_of_heliocentrism&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Yajnavalkya's theory of heliocentrism (page does not exist)">Yajnavalkya's theory of heliocentrism</a> which already has unreliable and questionable sources <a href="/wiki/User:Myuoh_kaka_roi" title="User:Myuoh kaka roi">Myuoh kaka roi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myuoh_kaka_roi" title="User talk:Myuoh kaka roi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720120300-DVdm-20240720114700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720120300-DVdm-20240720114700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myuoh_kaka_roi-20240720120300-DVdm-20240720114700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sandbox_error" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sandbox_error-20240812171300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sandbox_error-20240812171300"></span>Sandbox error<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sandbox_error-20240812171300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Sandbox error"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zinnober9-20240812171300-Sandbox_error"></span>Hello. I see you've <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADVdm%2Fsandbox&diff=1239951882&oldid=1237758660">just added</a> two problematic html tags with errors on your sandbox page. <p/> and <p /> are <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Lint_errors/self-closed-tag">selfclosing tags</a> (a tracked syntax error), and should not be used. If you are testing something here for a short time, that's fine, otherwise I ask that you remove them and use something else, <br/>like <p>text</p>, or text{{pb}} text. Thank you, and best wishes. <a href="/wiki/User:Zinnober9" title="User:Zinnober9">Zinnober9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zinnober9" title="User talk:Zinnober9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Zinnober9-20240812171300-Sandbox_error" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zinnober9-20240812171300-Sandbox_error"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zinnober9-20240812171300-Sandbox_error"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240812172600-Zinnober9-20240812171300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zinnober9" title="User:Zinnober9">Zinnober9</a>:</span> Yes, I removed the problematic stuff <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>. Ok <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADVdm%2Fsandbox&diff=1239956292&oldid=1239951882">like this</a>? - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240812172600-Zinnober9-20240812171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240812172600-Zinnober9-20240812171300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240812172600-Zinnober9-20240812171300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zinnober9-20240812175300-DVdm-20240812172600"></span>That's fine. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Zinnober9" title="User:Zinnober9">Zinnober9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zinnober9" title="User talk:Zinnober9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Zinnober9-20240812175300-DVdm-20240812172600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zinnober9-20240812175300-DVdm-20240812172600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zinnober9-20240812175300-DVdm-20240812172600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quotation_marks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quotation_marks-20240821110100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quotation_marks-20240821110100"></span>Quotation marks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quotation_marks-20240821110100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Quotation marks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Denisarona-20240821110100-Quotation_marks"></span>Hi, where exactly is this written: When quoting a full sentence, the end of which coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark."? Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Denisarona" title="User:Denisarona">Denisarona</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Denisarona" title="User talk:Denisarona">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Denisarona-20240821110100-Quotation_marks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Denisarona-20240821110100-Quotation_marks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Denisarona-20240821110100-Quotation_marks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240821113400-Denisarona-20240821110100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Denisarona" title="User:Denisarona">Denisarona</a>:</span> in <a href="/wiki/MOS:LQ" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:LQ">MOS:LQ</a>:</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"> <dl><dd><dl><dd>If the quotation is a single word or a sentence fragment, place the terminal punctuation outside the closing quotation mark. When quoting a full sentence, the end of which coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark. <ul><li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Miller wanted, he said, "to create something timeless".</span></li> <li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Miller said: "I wanted to create something timeless."</span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> </blockquote> <dl><dd>Cheers - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240821113400-Denisarona-20240821110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240821113400-Denisarona-20240821110100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240821113400-Denisarona-20240821110100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article-20240902141600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article-20240902141600"></span>About the External links section of Twin Paradox article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article-20240902141600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: About the External links section of Twin Paradox article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GKNishimoto-20240902141600-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article"></span>Now that I've checked it out, I agree too. </p><p>I followed the line of reasoning without thinking too much, just trusting what was already there. Since I saw the URL as apparently dead, I looked for the most recent archived one I could access and added it (following the example I saw in the first item on the list in the same section). I think that, in this case, removing the entire line (fourth item on the list) may be viable and serve as a learning experience (in the editorial sense) for other colleagues too. </p><p>I'll leave it as it is, but my personal wish is to: </p> <ul><li>remove the first (this item actually denies access to the resource and the archived version serves as a workaround to access it) and the fourth item on the list.</li></ul> <p>Regarding the second and third items, some resources are not accessible via Android, but work on larger devices with more 'robust' operating systems. </p><p>Thanks for reminding me how important it is to trust without failing to verify. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:GKNishimoto" title="User:GKNishimoto">GKNishimoto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GKNishimoto" title="User talk:GKNishimoto">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-GKNishimoto-20240902141600-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GKNishimoto-20240902141600-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GKNishimoto-20240902141600-About_the_External_links_section_of_Twin_Paradox_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240902142800-GKNishimoto-20240902141600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GKNishimoto" title="User:GKNishimoto">GKNishimoto</a>:</span> If I recall correctly, the first link was agreed upon by the contributors, perhaps as being written by a recognized authority. In any case, it survived by de-facto <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">wp:consensus</a>, so removing it might need proposing to do so on the article talk page. I personally think it is at least okay to leave it sitting there, since the old Usenet sci.physics.relativity group is no longer alive. Cheers - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240902142800-GKNishimoto-20240902141600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240902142800-GKNishimoto-20240902141600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240902142800-GKNishimoto-20240902141600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GKNishimoto-20240902183000-DVdm-20240902142800"></span>Okay, I think I understand. Once again, I thank you for your attention and guidance.</dd> <dd></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:GKNishimoto" title="User:GKNishimoto">GKNishimoto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GKNishimoto" title="User talk:GKNishimoto">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-GKNishimoto-20240902183000-DVdm-20240902142800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GKNishimoto-20240902183000-DVdm-20240902142800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GKNishimoto-20240902183000-DVdm-20240902142800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ΦII" data-mw-thread-id="h-ΦII-20240907222200"><span id=".CE.A6II"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ΦII-20240907222200"></span><a href="/wiki/General_relativity" title="General relativity">ΦII</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ΦII-20240907222200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: ΦII"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.astropartphys.2024.103036"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A55124231343Z-20240907222200-ΦII"></span>.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:A55124231343Z" title="User:A55124231343Z">A55124231343Z</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A55124231343Z" title="User talk:A55124231343Z">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-A55124231343Z-20240907222200-ΦII" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A55124231343Z-20240907222200-ΦII"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A55124231343Z-20240907222200-ΦII"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240907223600-A55124231343Z-20240907222200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:A55124231343Z" title="User:A55124231343Z">A55124231343Z</a>:</span> what do you mean? - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240907223600-A55124231343Z-20240907222200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240907223600-A55124231343Z-20240907222200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240907223600-A55124231343Z-20240907222200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A55124231343Z-20240907232400-DVdm-20240907223600"></span>The article contradicts the statement: no such theory exists: as is indicated <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://interestingengineering.com/science/general-relativity-quantum-physics-united">here</a> <a href="/wiki/User:A55124231343Z" title="User:A55124231343Z">A55124231343Z</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A55124231343Z" title="User talk:A55124231343Z">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-A55124231343Z-20240907232400-DVdm-20240907223600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A55124231343Z-20240907232400-DVdm-20240907223600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A55124231343Z-20240907232400-DVdm-20240907223600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240908033700-A55124231343Z-20240907232400"></span>Not a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable source">wp:reliable source</a> for Wikipedia. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240908033700-A55124231343Z-20240907232400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240908033700-A55124231343Z-20240907232400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240908033700-A55124231343Z-20240907232400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A55124231343Z-20240909182700-DVdm-20240908033700"></span>if you will: what exact qualities of the source makes it unreliable? <a href="/wiki/User:A55124231343Z" title="User:A55124231343Z">A55124231343Z</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A55124231343Z" title="User talk:A55124231343Z">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-A55124231343Z-20240909182700-DVdm-20240908033700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A55124231343Z-20240909182700-DVdm-20240908033700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A55124231343Z-20240909182700-DVdm-20240908033700"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://interestingengineering.com/science/general-relativity-quantum-physics-united"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240909222300-A55124231343Z-20240909182700"></span>This</a> with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://interestingengineering.com/about-us">this about-page</a> clearly identifies as a private initiative, and thus is a counter-example of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">wp:reliable sources</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20240909222300-A55124231343Z-20240909182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240909222300-A55124231343Z-20240909182700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240909222300-A55124231343Z-20240909182700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Whiskey_GoGo_zappa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa-20241004023100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa-20241004023100"></span>Whiskey GoGo zappa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa-20241004023100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Whiskey GoGo zappa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa"></span>Release date is June 21 2024. April was press release. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2">2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100-Whiskey_GoGo_zappa"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20241004081300-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100"></span>Standing corrected: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frank_Zappa_discography&diff=1249313043&oldid=1248635319">[6]</a>. Thanks.</dd> <dd>Please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account%3F" title="Wikipedia:Why create an account?">signing up for a useraccount</a>. Makes lifes much easier. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20241004081300-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20241004081300-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20241004081300-2600:1001:B026:A5CC:79DD:37A7:9D2C:F4D2-20241004023100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Missing_citation_for_added_text" data-mw-thread-id="h-Missing_citation_for_added_text-20241021142200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Missing_citation_for_added_text-20241021142200"></span>Missing citation for added text<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Missing_citation_for_added_text-20241021142200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Missing citation for added text"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200-Missing_citation_for_added_text"></span>Hello DVdm! You removed my edit to the Infinity article. It’s the same source as the forgoing text, the Morris Kline book. Here is what the (most) relevant part of the already cited section by Morris Kline says: </p><p>“The point O′ corresponds to the imagined meeting point at infinity of AB and CD, but because this point does not actually exist, O′ is called the principal vanishing point. It vanishes in the sense that it does not correspond to any actual point on AB or CD, whereas other points on A′B′ or CD′ do correspond to actual points on AB or CD, respectively.” </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/mathematics-for-the-nonmathematician/id623642918">https://books.apple.com/us/book/mathematics-for-the-nonmathematician/id623642918</a> </p><p>Does this clear up the matter sufficiently? </p><p>-Zxywvoids <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zyxwvoids&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zyxwvoids (page does not exist)">Zyxwvoids</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zyxwvoids" title="User talk:Zyxwvoids">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200-Missing_citation_for_added_text" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200-Missing_citation_for_added_text"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200-Missing_citation_for_added_text"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20241021160000-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zyxwvoids&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zyxwvoids (page does not exist)">Zyxwvoids</a>:</span> Yes, I have a copy of the book, and indeed, this passage can be found at page 221, but the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infinity&diff=prev&oldid=1252358404">content that you added</a> does not directly appear in the book. It is an interpretation of the source, We can paraphrase or quote some content from a source, but interpreting the text as you did is an example of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Original research">wp:original research</a>, which is not allowed, whether your interpretation is correct or not. Hope this helps!</dd> <dd>By the way, I have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infinity&diff=1252490223&oldid=1252426449">replaced</a> the cited source template with one that is easier to access. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20241021160000-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20241021160000-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20241021160000-Zyxwvoids-20241021142200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900-DVdm-20241021160000"></span>DVdm, I understand what you are saying. Thank you for the prompt reply and consideration! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zyxwvoids&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zyxwvoids (page does not exist)">Zyxwvoids</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zyxwvoids" title="User talk:Zyxwvoids">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900-DVdm-20241021160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900-DVdm-20241021160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900-DVdm-20241021160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20241021172100-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900"></span>No problem, keep up the good work! - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20241021172100-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20241021172100-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20241021172100-Zyxwvoids-20241021162900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192900"></span>Invitation to participate in a research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Invitation to participate in a research"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241023192900-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. 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See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">wp:Verifiability</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVdm#c-DVdm-20241112133300-72.173.82.128-20241112003400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20241112133300-72.173.82.128-20241112003400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20241112133300-72.173.82.128-20241112003400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_undoing_dismiss_of_specific_watchlist_page_announcement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_undoing_dismiss_of_specific_watchlist_page_announcement-20241114203100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_undoing_dismiss_of_specific_watchlist_page_announcement-20241114203100"></span>Help undoing dismiss of specific watchlist page announcement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_undoing_dismiss_of_specific_watchlist_page_announcement-20241114203100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Help undoing dismiss of specific watchlist page announcement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20241114203100-Help_undoing_dismiss_of_specific_watchlist_page_announcement"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-style" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_resolved.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="check-mark" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/25px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/38px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/50px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Template:Help_me" title="Template:Help me">help request</a> has been answered. If you need more help, you can <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit Special:MyTalk"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MyTalk&action=edit&section=new&preload=Help:Contents/helpmepreload&preloadtitle=Help+me%21"><b>ask another question</b> on your talk page</a></span>, contact the responding user(s) directly on their <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_talk_pages/2" title="Help:Introduction to talk pages/2">user talk page</a>, or consider visiting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>Never mind: Found it with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=wikipedia+undo+dismiss+of+watch+list+announcement">Google</a>. 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