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.wp-signpost-block-2-full{font-size:1em;font-family:sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial}.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2-narrow{max-width:46em}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2{padding-left:2vw}}</style><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-full"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Redesigning_the_left_sidebar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redesigning_the_left_sidebar-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redesigning_the_left_sidebar-signpost-article-title"></span>Redesigning the left sidebar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redesigning_the_left_sidebar-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>Wikipedia’s design has changed very little in the last ten years.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> For example, the current <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vector" title="Wikipedia:Vector">Vector</a> skin was introduced in 2010 (although some changes are currently being planned—more on that below), the Main Page <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/43969581/44458525" title="Special:Diff/43969581/44458525">has had basically the same layout since 2006</a>, and that sidebar on the left-hand side of the page with all the links is almost as old. <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Hureo_User_Research_Report" class="extiw" title="mw:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Hureo User Research Report">A recent WMF-funded report</a> concluded in part that the sidebar was one of the most confusing parts of Wikipedia's design for casual readers: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Readers were unable to understand the purpose of the Menu on the left hand side of the site, noting in particular that they did not understand the items in the menu (e.g. Related changes, Special Pages). They felt that it was not relevant for them.</p></blockquote> <p>Editors have tried to improve the sidebar over the last decade. A 2013 request for comments (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RfC">RfC</a>) on the sidebar noted that: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"> <ol><li>Even compared to other pieces of site-wide navigation, <b>the sidebar is an extremely important navigation tool</b>. With the vast majority of readers and editors using a skin (Vector or Monobook) with the sidebar placed on the left, it is in a natural position of importance considering English speakers tend to scan left to right.</li> <li><b>The sidebar is currently cluttered</b>. On the Main Page, English Wikipedia readers see 22 links<sup>in 2020, it's 21</sup>, not including language links<sup>or "In other projects" links</sup>. Basic usability principles tell us that more choices increases the amount of time users have to spend understanding navigation (see <a href="/wiki/Hick%27s_law" title="Hick's law">Hick's law</a>), and that simplicity and clarity are worthwhile goals. The most recent design of the homepage of <a href="/wiki/Google.com" class="mw-redirect" title="Google.com">Google.com</a>, famous for its simplicity, has half the number of links, for comparison. While removing some semi-redundant links (like Contents or Featured contents) would be preferable, if we're going to have this many links it means prioritization is key, leading to the next point...</li> <li><b>The sidebar has poor prioritization.</b> Users read top to bottom, and it is not unfair to say that the vertical order of the links should reflect some basic priority. However, currently, this prioritization is sloppily done. Even if we assume all the current links are important and should stay, the order needs work.</li> <li>The <b>names for some links are overly verbose or unclear.</b> <a href="/wiki/Hamlet" title="Hamlet">Brevity is the soul of wit</a>, and of good Web usability. We should not use two or three words where one will do.</li></ol> </blockquote> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sidebar_update" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sidebar update">The RfC</a> proposed <a href="/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_the_MediaWiki_sidebar_on_a_test_wiki.png" title="File:Screenshot of the MediaWiki sidebar on a test wiki.png">a new design</a> for the sidebar which featured several collapsible sections. Ultimately, there was no consensus to make the change. After an incubation period at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPIL">Village Pump Idea Lab</a>, the RfC was formally introduced (and advertised) this month. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update">This year's RfC page</a> has a different format: rather than one proposal to completely change the sidebar, many smaller proposals have been made to add or remove links. There are too many proposals to discuss each one, but here's the table of contents: </p> <pre> 1 Background 2 Reorderings 2.1 Reorder the links in the left sidebar to create a new "contribute" section 2.2 Move Wikidata to "In other projects" 2.3 Move "In other projects" under "Print/export" 2.4 Separate "Page tools" and "User tools" 2.5 Move "Print/export" above "Tools" 3 Renamings 3.1 Donate to Wikipedia → Donate 3.2 Wikipedia store → Merchandise 3.3 About Wikipedia → About 3.4 Contact page → Contact 3.5 Main page → Main Page 3.6 Logs → Logged actions 3.7 Languages → In other languages 3.8 User rights management → Manage user rights 3.9 Tools section → ??? 3.10 Print/export → Export 3.11 Mute preferences → Mute this user 3.12 Printable version → Print 3.13 Download as PDF → Save as PDF 4 Additions 4.1 An introduction to contributing page 4.2 An FAQ page 4.3 A dashboard 4.4 Logs 4.5 Deleted contributions 4.6 Search page 5 Removals 5.1 Featured content 5.2 Upload file 5.3 Permanent link 5.4 Wikipedia store 5.5 Print/export (both "Download as PDF" and "Printable version") 5.6 Random Article 5.7 Recent changes 6 Autocollapsing 6.1 "Tools" section 7 Changing tooltips 7.1 Comprehensive overview 7.2 Featured content tooltip 7.3 Current events tooltip 7.4 Random article tooltip 7.5 Donate to Wikipedia tooltip 7.6 Wikipedia store tooltip 7.7 About Wikipedia tooltip 7.8 Community portal tooltip 7.9 Recent changes tooltip 7.10 Contact page tooltip 7.11 Upload file tooltip 7.12 Special pages tooltip 7.13 Permanent link tooltip 7.14 Page information tooltip 7.15 Wikidata item tooltip 7.16 Logs tooltip 7.17 View user groups tooltip 7.18 Mute preferences tooltip 7.19 Download as PDF tooltip 8 A Customizable Sidebar (or an Advanced Mode) 9 A note on power users, usability, and systemic bias 10 Technical underpinnings 10.1 Sidebar settings page 10.2 Tools 11 Comparison to other projects and languages </pre> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif/300px-Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif" decoding="async" width="300" height="169" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif/450px-Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif/600px-Alternate_close_icon_for_collapsible_sidebar.gif 2x" data-file-width="1350" data-file-height="760"/></a><figcaption>The Wikimedia Foundation's proposed Vector update in action</figcaption></figure> <p>While the English Wikipedia community works to make the sidebar better for readers and editors, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) has been proceeding with <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements" class="extiw" title="mw:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements">its own plans</a> to update the Vector skin. Current plans concern two proposed changes that would be incorporated into the standard Vector skin: moving the language selector to the top right of the page, and collapsing the sidebar by default. The WMF is currently accepting feedback on the changes <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements" class="extiw" title="mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements">here</a>. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="April_Fools'_Day:_have_we_gone_too_far_with_the_pranks?" data-mw-thread-id="h-April_Fools'_Day:_have_we_gone_too_far_with_the_pranks?-signpost-article-title"><span id="April_Fools.27_Day:_have_we_gone_too_far_with_the_pranks.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-April_Fools'_Day:_have_we_gone_too_far_with_the_pranks?-signpost-article-title"></span>April Fools' Day: have we gone too far with the pranks?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-April_Fools'_Day:_have_we_gone_too_far_with_the_pranks?-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>This year's April Fools' Day festivities were some of the more chaotic ones in recent memory. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2020_April_1" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 April 1">Articles for Deletion</a> had a record 93 nominations (not counting some deleted coronavirus-related ones), which was about double the amount of serious nominations that day. Editing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:April_Fools/April_Fools%27_Day_2020" title="Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2020">the page meant to document all the pranks</a> was near-impossible due to edit conflicts caused by 1) <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:April_Fools/April_Fools%27_Day_2020/The_Great_April_Fools%27_Day_Edit_War_of_2020" title="Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2020/The Great April Fools' Day Edit War of 2020">yet another edit war</a> over the title of the "other pranks"/"general tomfoolery", and 2) outright vandalism of the page (typical example <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/951206243" title="Special:PermanentLink/951206243">here</a>), though this one became less of a problem after the page was semi-protected. By the end of the day, it was a foregone conclusion that there would be an RfC to bring about some changes to how Wikipedia celebrates April 1. (Similar RfCs took place in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/April_Fools%27" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/April Fools'">2013</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/April_Fools%27_2" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/April Fools' 2">2016</a>.) Notable proposals on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/April_Fools%27_3" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/April Fools' 3">the RfC page</a> include: </p> <ul><li>Requiring the customary joke "did you know..." entries to be labelled as jokes)</li> <li>Clarifying that vandalism of the year's prank log page is prohibited</li> <li>Banning joke deletion nominations</li></ul> <p><span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="In_brief" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"></span>In brief<span data-mw-comment-end="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <ul><li>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#RfC_on_converting_fair-use_raster_graphics_to_vector_graphics_as_it_relates_to_criterion_3b" title="Wikipedia talk:Non-free content">Wikipedia talk:Non-free content</a>, eliminating or restricting vector graphics has been proposed as a necessary step to comply with the fair-use requirement of minimal infringement of the owner's rights, which in Wikipedia's compliance means low-resolution graphics. This is technically impossible with vector graphics, as they are inherently resolution independent. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a></span></li> <li>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#RfC_on_table_captions" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility">Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility</a>: Should all tables be required to have captions? This change was proposed with the goal of making Wikipedia more accessible to blind readers who use <a href="/wiki/Screen_reader" title="Screen reader">screen readers</a>, though some users see making this a bright-line rule to be overkill. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span></li> <li>On current events: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19#Proposed_change_to_Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19/Current_consensus_regarding_the_use_of_Current" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject COVID-19">discussion</a> at WikiProject COVID-19 (the subject of last issue's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-03-29/WikiProject_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-03-29/WikiProject report">WikiProject report</a>) that is contemplating removal of the current-event template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Current" title="Template:Current">Current</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> at the top of some articles. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a></span></li> <li>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_proposed_creation_of_new_usergroup" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)">the policy village pump</a>: Should a "Main Page Editor" usergroup be created with the <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">editprotected</code> and <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">protect</code> (at least until <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">editcascadeprotected</code> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71607" class="extiw" title="phab:T71607">gets implemented</a>) rights? This would allow non-admins to edit the main page in order to fix errors. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span></li> <li>Also on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPP#RfC:_Bureaucrat_activity" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPP">the policy village pump</a>: Proposed updates to Wikipedia's policy on bureaucrat activity, to remove the provision that allows bureaucrats to keep their tools if they express willingness to participate in bureaucrat activities but don't actually use the tools. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Follow-ups" data-mw-thread-id="h-Follow-ups-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Follow-ups-signpost-article-title"></span>Follow-ups<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Follow-ups-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#RfC_on_removal_of_MOS:JOBTITLES" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography">The proposal</a> to remove <a href="/wiki/MOS:JOBTITLES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JOBTITLES">the section on job titles</a> from <a href="/wiki/MOS:BIOGRAPHY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:BIOGRAPHY">MOS:BIOGRAPHY</a> closed with a result of <b>no consensus</b>. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span></li> <li>The other three discussions mentioned in the last issue are all still open. <span style="font-size:85%;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">P</a></span></li></ul> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output 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</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/On_the_bright_side" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-04-26/On the bright side">On the bright side</a> </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Interview" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-04-26/Interview">Interview</a> </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-04-26/In focus">In focus</a> </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/WikiProject_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-04-26/WikiProject report">WikiProject report</a></li></div></div></div><div id="comments" class="signpost-comments"><div class="signpost-comments-heading"><div><span class="signpost-comments-add plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?editintro=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Templates/Comment-editnotice&title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report&action=edit&preload=Wikipedia:Signpost/Templates/Signpost-article-comments-end/preload">+ Add a comment</a></span><h2 id="Discuss_this_story" id="Discuss_this_story" class="signpost-comments-discuss" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discuss_this_story-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discuss_this_story-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span>Discuss this story<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discuss_this_story-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span></h2></div></div><div class="signpost-comments-disclaimer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story"></span>These comments are automatically <a href="/wiki/Help:Transclusion" title="Help:Transclusion">transcluded</a> from this article's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report" 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To follow comments, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report&action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>.</span> If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"><div class="nomobile"></div> <ul><li>I'm glad to see the coverage of the sidebar update. For anyone just coming across the conversation now, some of the proposals look to me to be ready to close, with SNOW in some cases. If you are uninvolved and feel confident assessing consensus, please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-admin_closure" title="Wikipedia:Non-admin closure">making some closes</a> rather than just adding on to the pile. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span>There's also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Grant_Template_Editors_and_Mass_Message_Senders_the_editcontentmodel_right" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">a discussion at VP Proposals</a> on whether to grant <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">editcontentmodel</code> to template editors and mass message senders. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wug·</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wugapodes" title="User talk:Wugapodes">a·po·des</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-27T15:33:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for pointing this out! Sometimes things slip through the cracks so it’s good that other people are following these discussions closely as well. —<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder"><span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pythoncoder" title="User talk:Pythoncoder">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/pythoncoder" title="Special:Contributions/pythoncoder">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-27T15:33:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-27T15:33:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-27T15:33:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-04-27T01:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span>Why do designers refuse to understand that white space is wasted space which could have been filled with useful information? --<a href="/wiki/User:Orangemike" title="User:Orangemike"><span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemike" title="User talk:Orangemike"><span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z"></span>Because that is an incorrect opinion not borne out by decades of usability research or other sciences. The fact is that a measure of 72 characters is best and healthiest for the eyes. White space allows for users to quickly distinguish various elements in a screen, reducing eye strain and recognition fatigue. A better question is "why do Wikipedians refuse to understand that their personal use case or preference is not the only one that should be, and that there are many users with different needs?--<a href="/wiki/User:Jorm" title="User:Jorm">Jorm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jorm" title="User talk:Jorm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 29 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yair_rand-2020-04-29T19:42:00.000Z-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z"></span>That comment would have been better without that last sentence. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Yair_rand-2020-04-29T19:42:00.000Z-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yair_rand-2020-04-29T19:42:00.000Z-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yair_rand-2020-04-29T19:42:00.000Z-Jorm-2020-04-29T19:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z"></span>Personally, I’d like to see page width capped at 1280px (or maybe less). Reading isn’t too bad on my 1280×800 laptop screen but I’ve read WP on desktops and it’s much more annoying. Probably wouldn’t be too hard to code. —<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder"><span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pythoncoder" title="User talk:Pythoncoder">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/pythoncoder" title="Special:Contributions/pythoncoder">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z-Orangemike-2020-04-29T18:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jorm" title="User:Jorm">Jorm</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">Pythoncoder</a>:</span> there's certainly a lot more usability work to be done on Wikipedia. Perhaps once the sidebar redesign concludes, we can try to reinvigorate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability">WP:WikiProject Usability</a> and take on other tasks. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 30 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z-Pythoncoder-2020-04-30T18:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jorm-2020-04-30T19:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z"></span>I'm over being shit on by the community for trying to improve Wikipedia's usability. But ya'll have fun.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jorm" title="User:Jorm">Jorm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jorm" title="User talk:Jorm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-Jorm-2020-04-30T19:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 30 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jorm-2020-04-30T19:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jorm-2020-04-30T19:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-30T19:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheDJ-2020-05-07T12:11:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span>"April Fools' Day: have we gone too far with the pranks?" lol, literally EVERY april fools since I joined. :D —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-04-26/Discussion_report#c-TheDJ-2020-05-07T12:11:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheDJ-2020-05-07T12:11:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheDJ-2020-05-07T12:11:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-04-26T22:01:00.000Z"></span><br/><div style="clear:both;"></div></li></ul></div></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1240929115">.mw-parser-output .signpost-footer{padding-top:2em}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-navigation,.mw-parser-output .signpost-ticker,.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar{box-sizing:border-box;clear:both;font-family:Georgia,Palatino,Palatino Linotype,Times,Times New Roman,serif;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-navigation{font-size:116%;display:flex;flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;font-style:italic;gap:1em;justify-content:space-between;padding:0 2vw;margin:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-nav-casing{font-size:80%;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .signpost-ticker{border-top:3px double #BBB;color:var(--color-subtle,#333);font-size:110%;padding:5px 2vw;text-align:center;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar{border-top:1px solid #999;padding:3px 2vw}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar>div{color:#444;display:flex;flex-flow:row wrap;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:center;font-size:90%;margin:0 auto;max-width:80em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar>div>div{display:inline-block;flex:1 1 auto;min-width:6em}</style> <div class="signpost-footer"> <div class="signpost-issue-navigation noprint"></div> <div class="signpost-ticker">The <i>Signpost</i>: doing it for free since 2005.</div> <div class="signpost-linkbar"> <div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Home</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/About" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About">About</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives">Archives</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom">Newsroom</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Subscribe</a></div> <div><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions">Suggestions</a></span></div> </div></div></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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