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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Japan%2FToDo&action=watch">watch</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Japan%2FToDo&action=purge">purge</a></li></ul> </div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/100px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Peer_review" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Peer review">Peer review</a></b>: None</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/A-class_review" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/A-class review">A-class review</a></b>: None</li></ul> <table> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td> <ul><li><b>Featured content candidates</b> – </li></ul> </td> <td> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates">Articles</a></b>: None <br/> <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates" title="Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates">Pictures</a></b>: None <br/> <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates" title="Wikipedia:Featured list candidates">Lists</a></b>: None </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">Good article nominations</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Vinland_Saga_(TV_series)" title="Vinland Saga (TV series)"><i>Vinland Saga</i> (TV series)</a>, <i><a href="/wiki/Godzilla_Minus_One" title="Godzilla Minus One">Godzilla Minus One</a></i></li> <li>Add <b><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Japan" title="Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Japan">requested images</a></b> to articles that need them.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Japan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Japan">Pages for Deletion</a></b>: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Japan_stubs" title="Category:Japan stubs">Improve and expand</a></b> Japan-related stubs.</li> <li>Create some <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Japan" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan">requested articles</a></b>.</li> <li>Help <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/ja" title="Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/ja">translate</a></b> an article from the <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="ja:">Japanese Wikipedia</a> into English.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_Japan-related_articles" title="Category:Unassessed Japan-related articles">Assess</a></b> unassessed articles</li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="text-align:center">This is an <b><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archive</a></b> of past discussions on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan">Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan</a>. <b>Do not edit the contents of this page.</b> If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan">current talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="float:right; clear:right; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; margin:10px 0 0.5em 10px; padding:0.2em; line-height:1.5em; font-size:95%; width:200px; background-color:#8BAB9C;"> <tbody><tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Katsushika_Hokusai,_Goten-yama_hill,_Shinagawa_on_the_T%C5%8Dkaid%C5%8D,_ca._1832.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:JA">Talk</a> & archives for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JA">WP Japan</a> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%; background-color:#FBE1BC;"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1214851843">.mw-parser-output .hidden-begin{box-sizing:border-box;width:100%;padding:5px;border:none;font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .hidden-title{font-weight:bold;line-height:1.6;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .hidden-content{text-align:left}@media all and (max-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .hidden-begin{width:auto!important;clear:none!important;float:none!important}}</style><div class="hidden-begin mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""><div class="hidden-title skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="">Project talk</div><div class="hidden-content mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist"><ul><li><b>2006</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2006">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2006">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2006">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2006">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2006">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2006">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2006">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2006">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2006">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2006">12</a></li><li><b>2007</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2007">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2007">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2007">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2007">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2007">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2007">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2007">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2007">8</a></li><li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2007">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2007">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2007">12</a></li><li><b>2008</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2008">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2008">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2008">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2008">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2008">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2008">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2008">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2008">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2008">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2008">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2008">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2008">12</a></li><li><b>2009</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2009">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2009">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2009">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2009">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2009">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2009">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2009">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2009">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2009">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2009">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2009">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2009">12</a></li><li><b>2010</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2010">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2010">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2010">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2010">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2010">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2010">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2010">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2010">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2010">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2010">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2010">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2010">12</a></li><li><b>2011</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2011">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2011">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2011">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2011">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2011">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2011">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2011">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2011">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2011">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2011">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2011">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2011">12</a></li><li><b>2012</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2012">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2012">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2012">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2012">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2012">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2012">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2012">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2012">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2012">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2012">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2012">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2012">12</a></li><li><b>2013</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2013">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2013">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2013">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2013">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2013">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2013">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2013">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2013">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2013">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2013">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2013">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2013">12</a></li><li><b>2014</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2014">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2014">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2014">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2014">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2014">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2014">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2014">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2014">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2014">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2014">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2014">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2014">12</a></li><li><b>2015</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2015">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2015">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2015">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2015">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2015">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2015">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2015">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2015">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2015">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2015">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2015">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2015">12</a></li><li><b>2016</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2016">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2016">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2016">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2016">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2016">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2016">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2016">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2016">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2016">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2016">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2016">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2016">12</a></li><li><b>2017</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2017">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2017">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2017">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2017">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2017">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2017">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2017">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2017">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2017">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2017">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2017">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2017">12</a></li><li><b>2018</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2018">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2018">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2018">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2018">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2018">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2018">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2018">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2018">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2018">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2018">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2018">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2018">12</a></li><li><b>2019</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2019">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2019">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2019">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2019">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2019">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2019">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2019">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2019">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2019">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2019">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2019">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2019">12</a></li><li><b>2020</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2020">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2020">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2020">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2020">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2020">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2020">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2020">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2020">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2020">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2020">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2020">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2020">12</a></li><li><b>2021</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2021">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2021">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2021">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2021">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2021">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2021">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2021">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2021">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2021">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2021">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2021">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2021">12</a></li><li><b>2022</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2022">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2022">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2022">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2022">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2022">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2022">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2022">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2022">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2022">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2022">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2022">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2022">12</a></li><li><b>2023</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2023">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2023">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2023">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2023">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2023">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2023">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2023">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2023">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2023">9</a></li></ul></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%; background-color:#FBE1BC;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1214851843"><div class="hidden-begin mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""><div class="hidden-title skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="">Task force talk/archives</div><div class="hidden-content mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist"><ul><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Japanese_baseball_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Japanese baseball task force">Baseball</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Japanese_baseball_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Japanese baseball task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Bibliography (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Bibliography_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Bibliography task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Japanese_cinema_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Japanese cinema task force">Cinema</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Japanese_cinema_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Japanese cinema task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation/CJKV_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force">CJKV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation/CJKV_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Districts_and_municipalities" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Districts and municipalities">Districts and municipalities</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Districts_and_municipalities_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Districts and municipalities task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Gaijin tarento (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Gaijin_tarento_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Gaijin tarento task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> Military history (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Japanese_military_history_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Japanese_military_history_task_force/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Japanese_military_history_task_force/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force/Archive 3">3</a>)</li><li>Music (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Music_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Music task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Mythology (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 4">4</a>)</li><li>Owarai (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Owarai_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Owarai task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Politics (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Politics_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Politics task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Prefectures (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Prefectures_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Prefectures task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Royalty & nobility (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Royalty_and_nobility_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Royalty and nobility task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Science & technology (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Science_and_technology_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Science and technology task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Shinto (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Shinto_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Shinto task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Tokyo_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Tokyo task force">Tokyo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Tokyo_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Tokyo task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Intertranswiki/Japanese" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Japanese">Transwiki</a></li></ul></div><br/><small><b>↔</b> = joint task force</small> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%; background-color:#FBE1BC;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1214851843"><div class="hidden-begin mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""><div class="hidden-title skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="">Old notice board</div><div class="hidden-content mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/2004" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/2004">All of 2004</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Jan-Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Jan-Mar">Jan–Mar 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Apr-Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Apr-Jun">Apr–Jun 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Oct05" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Oct05">Jul–Oct 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Dec05" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Dec05">Nov–Dec 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Feb06" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Feb06">Jan–Feb 2006</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Feb-May06" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Feb-May06">Feb–May 2006</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Jun-Dec06" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Jun-Dec06">Jun–Dec 2006</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Jan-Jun07" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Jan-Jun07">Jan–Jun 2007</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Jun07-Sep08" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Jun07-Sep08">Jun 2007 – Sep 2008</a></li></ul></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%; background-color:#FBE1BC;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1214851843"><div class="hidden-begin mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""><div class="hidden-title skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="">Related talk/archives</div><div class="hidden-content mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga">Anime and manga</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Index" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Index">index</a>)</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hello!_Project" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hello! Project">Hello! Project</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hello!_Project/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hello! Project/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pok%C3%A9mon" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon">Pokémon</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_index" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive index">index</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Adoption_Center" title="Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Adoption Center">PAC</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Adoption_Center/Archive1" title="Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Adoption Center/Archive1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Adoption_Center/Archive2" title="Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Adoption Center/Archive2">2</a>), <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Adoption_Center_2" title="Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Adoption Center 2">PAC 2</a>)</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sumo" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sumo">Sumo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sumo/Archive_1_June_2007-_November_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sumo/Archive 1 June 2007- November 2008">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sumo/Archive_2_November_2008_-_December_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sumo/Archive 2 November 2008 - December 2012">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sumo/Archive_3_January_2013_-_December_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sumo/Archive 3 January 2013 - December 2016">3</a>)</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Square_Enix" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Square Enix">Square Enix</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Square_Enix/Archive" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Square Enix/Archive">index</a>)</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tokusatsu" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tokusatsu">Tokusatsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tokusatsu/Archive_index" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tokusatsu/Archive index">index</a>)</li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan">Trains</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_7" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 7">7</a>)</li></ul></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Search the archives:</b> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="15" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Go" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="float:right; font-size:75%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Project_talk" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Project talk">V</a>·<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Project_talk" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Project talk">T</a>·<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Project_talk&action=edit">E</a></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Liancourt_Rocks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Liancourt_Rocks-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Liancourt_Rocks-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks" title="Liancourt Rocks">Liancourt Rocks</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Liancourt_Rocks-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z-Liancourt_Rocks"></span>User Opp2 brought some Japanese sources which I'm not quite sure he translated correctly b/c of his limited English. Could somebody here who can read Japanese correctly translate them? Also ask to Opp2 in Japanese for the title of the book/chapter, etc. (the usual stuff needed for proper citation). Thanks. (<a href="/wiki/User:Wikimachine" title="User:Wikimachine">Wikimachine</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z-Liancourt_Rocks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z-Liancourt_Rocks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z-Liancourt_Rocks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-01T17:18:00.000Z-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z"></span>Section name slightly modified. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-01T17:18:00.000Z-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-01T17:18:00.000Z-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-01T17:18:00.000Z-Wikimachine-2007-09-01T03:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Assessment_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Assessment_drive-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Assessment_drive-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Assessment drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Assessment_drive-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="float:right;"> <table class="wikitable" style="margin:10px;"> <caption><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z-Assessment_drive"></span>Japan articles</b> </caption> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="2">Quality </th></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-fa" style="color:inherit; background: #9cbdff; text-align: center;"><span title="Featured article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Featured_article_star.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Featured article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:FA-Class_articles" title="Category:FA-Class articles">FA</a></b></td> <td>71 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-a" style="color:inherit; background: #66ffff; text-align:center;"><span title="A-Class article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_a_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="A-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/16px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/24px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Symbol_a_class.svg/32px-Symbol_a_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:A-Class_articles" title="Category:A-Class articles">A</a></b></td> <td>7 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-ga" style="color:inherit; background: #66ff66; text-align: center;"><span title="Good article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_articles" title="Category:GA-Class articles">GA</a></b></td> <td>28 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-b" style="color:inherit; background: #b2ff66; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_articles" title="Category:B-Class articles">B</a></b></td> <td>620 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-c" style="color:inherit; background: #ffff66; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_articles" title="Category:C-Class articles">C</a></b></td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-start" style="color:inherit; background: #ffaa66; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_articles" title="Category:Start-Class articles">Start</a></b></td> <td>3717 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-stub" style="color:inherit; background: #ffa4a4; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class articles">Stub</a></b></td> <td>7661 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-list" style="color:inherit; background: #c7b1ff; text-align: center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_articles" title="Category:List-Class articles">List</a></b></td> <td>183 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-na" style="color:inherit; background: #f5f5f5; text-align: center;"><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-Class_articles" title="Category:NA-Class articles">NA</a></td> <td>127 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-unassessed" style="color:inherit; background: #dcdcdc; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Unassessed</a></b></td> <td>3555 </td></tr> <tr> <th colspan="2">Total tagged: 15,969 </th></tr> <tr> <th colspan="2" style="background-color:silver">Importance </th></tr> <tr> <td class="import-top" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ff97ff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Top-importance_articles" title="Category:Top-importance articles">Top</a></td> <td>65 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-high" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ffacff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_articles" title="Category:High-importance articles">High</a></td> <td>334 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-mid" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ffc1ff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance articles">Mid</a></td> <td>507 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-low" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ffd6ff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_articles" title="Category:Low-importance articles">Low</a></td> <td>1287 </td></tr> <tr> <td class="assess-unassessed" style="color:inherit; background: #dcdcdc; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_articles" title="Category:Unassessed articles">Unassessed</a></b></td> <td>12,925 </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>It's around time when <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography">WikiProject Biography</a> ends their assessment drive. How about we do it too? there's only 3900 unassessed articles, so I think they'll be done in about a month. Any thoughts? --<a href="/wiki/User:Reviewisat" title="User:Reviewisat"><span style="color:red;font-size:medium;">Re</span><span style="color:orange;font-size:medium;">view</span><span style="color:gold;font-size:medium;">isat</span></a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reviewisat" title="User talk:Reviewisat"><span style="color:blue;">(Talk)</span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z-Assessment_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a> <small> aka <a href="/wiki/User:Hirohisat" title="User:Hirohisat">Hirohisat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hirohisat" title="User talk:Hirohisat">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hirohisat" title="Special:Contributions/Hirohisat">contribs</a>)</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z-Assessment_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z-Assessment_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Part of the problem is enthusiastic editors (nothing wrong with that) tagging articles without also assessing them at the same time. It only takes a minute or so to assess an article (Is it a stub? (Stub) Is it more than a stub, but not fleshed out enough or sourced enough to be a B-class? (Start) Is the article fairly well fleshed out and does it have a good start on sourcing? (B class)). Anything beyond that needs to be reviewed in order to be marked as GA, A, or FA. If we can get everyone cooperating to assess articles as they are tagged, that will help us keep down the total unassessed articles. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amake-2007-09-02T11:42:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z"></span>I'll admit to being guilty of that. I'll try to be more thorough about my tagging from now on. -<a href="/wiki/User:Amake" title="User:Amake">Amake</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Amake-2007-09-02T11:42:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amake-2007-09-02T11:42:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amake-2007-09-02T11:42:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-02T07:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span>I've updated the stats template. If you want to help, please post the letters you're going to work on here so we don't duplicate efforts. I'm going to work on the beginning, through G. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z-Reviewisat-2007-09-02T05:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T04:30:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z"></span>And here's a <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_Japan-related_articles" title="Category:Unassessed Japan-related articles">convenient link</a>. (^_^) ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T04:30:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T04:30:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T04:30:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z"></span>I've finished through G. I'll work on H-K next. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-03T02:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Konica_and_Minolta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Konica_and_Minolta-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Konica_and_Minolta-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z"></span>Konica and Minolta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Konica_and_Minolta-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z-Konica_and_Minolta"></span>Another editor -- not me -- has proposed that <a href="/wiki/Konica" title="Konica">Konica</a> and <a href="/wiki/Minolta" title="Minolta">Minolta</a> should be merged within <a href="/wiki/Konica_Minolta" title="Konica Minolta">Konica Minolta</a>. I can't find any argument for this proposal. (My own comment is on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Konica" title="Talk:Konica">Talk:Konica</a>.) </p><p>(I've a hunch that this shouldn't be on <i>this</i> talk page but instead should be on some sub talk page. However, I don't know where. Feel free to move it to a more appropriate place.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hoary-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z-Konica_and_Minolta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z-Konica_and_Minolta"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2007-09-06T01:12:00.000Z-Konica_and_Minolta"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_esoterica" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_esoterica-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_esoterica-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z"></span>Template esoterica<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_esoterica-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z-Template_esoterica"></span>I'm trying to figure out how to get <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:ReqphotoinJapan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:ReqphotoinJapan (page does not exist)">ReqphotoinJapan</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to work to put articles into the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_of_people_in_Japan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people in Japan (page does not exist)">Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people in Japan</a>. I figure it's something about putting an "if" and/or switch into the template, but I'm not sure how. It would also need to be done without breaking the current uses as well. Anyone up to it? ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z-Template_esoterica" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z-Template_esoterica"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-06T06:02:00.000Z-Template_esoterica"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_some_help_on_these_words..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_some_help_on_these_words...-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_some_help_on_these_words...-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z"></span>Need some help on these words...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_some_help_on_these_words...-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z-Need_some_help_on_these_words..."></span>I'm trying to see about these words (保安課 Hoanka) and (内庁 Naicho?). These words are from GITS: SAC 2nd GIG and I'm planning to use as the Japanese names in the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Operator_(Ghost_in_the_Shell)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Operator (Ghost in the Shell) (page does not exist)">Operators</a> article. Should I put Hoanka as Security Division? I'm not sure about the kanji used to spell out Naicho since there is a Naicho in the Japanese government. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Ominae" title="User:Ominae">Ominae</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z-Need_some_help_on_these_words..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z-Need_some_help_on_these_words..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z-Need_some_help_on_these_words..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z"></span>I haven't seen SAC 1, 2 (yet; the movie was great), but I think here Naicho is not 内庁 but 内調, short for 内部調査, meaning <a href="/wiki/Internal_affairs" class="mw-disambig" title="Internal affairs">internal affairs</a>. I never heard of any division or section called 内庁 in the police force. Since the section 5 is an English translation for ５課, Security Section might be more correct translation for 保安課. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z-Ominae-2007-09-07T04:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z"></span>I checked related articles in ja. and en.WP. As for 保安課 (hoanka), in Japanese it's 公安課(kōanka) and it seems to be translated as Public/公 Security/安　Section/課 in English. I recommand you to use 公安課. And 内庁 (naichō) is a shortened form of 内閣情報庁 (naikaku jōhō chō) and it seems to be translated as the Cabinet/内閣 Intelligence/情報 Service/庁. Do the words sound right? Sorry that I know almost nothing about the animation and its fictional world. Hope my post helps you. If you want to know something more, just ask me. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z"></span>I would like to suggest the translations used in the Region 1 (USA) DVDs for the shows. As Oda Mari said, 内庁 (Naichō) is short for 内閣情報庁 (Naikaku Jōhō Chō). Cabinet Intelligence Service is what is used. As for Hoanka, it`s supposed to be 公安部9課 (Kōanbu Kyūka) or Public Security Bureau, Section 9 under the Ministry of Home Affairs. NB: in reality, Naichō is 内調, short for 内閣情報調査室 (Naikaku Jōhō Chōsashitsu) or the Cabinet Intelligence and Research Office, the best Japanese intelligence service that reports only to the Prime Minister. As for 公安部9課 (Kōanbu Kyūka), there is a real Public Security Intelligence Agency that is charged with investigating terrorism and while falling under Justice Minister`s administration, they operate independently and are only responsible to the National Public Security Commission. While the real one has 1st and 2nd departments, there is no Section 9. Also, the Ministry of Home Affairs no longer exists, having been disbanded in 1947. <a href="/wiki/User:Ninja138" title="User:Ninja138">Ninja138</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T09:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:02:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z"></span>It's 公安9課. This is the ja.WP article. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AC%E5%AE%899%E8%AA%B2">[1]</a> And the Ministry of Home Affairs is 内務省. Public Security Bureau is probably 公安部. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:02:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:02:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:02:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:11:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z"></span>Please compare the en. article <a href="/wiki/Public_Security_Section_9" title="Public Security Section 9">Public Security Section 9</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:11:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:11:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-14T16:11:00.000Z-Ninja138-2007-09-14T06:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z"><span id="Category:Japanese_films.2C_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Japanese_films" title="Category:Japanese films">Category:Japanese films</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Japanese-language_films" title="Category:Japanese-language films">Category:Japanese-language films</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span>I just noticed there are above-mentioned two closely-related categories. Question: do we need them separately, really? Technically-speaking, of course, not every Japanese film is a Japanese-language film, and the converse fails as well, <a href="/wiki/Letters_from_Iwo_Jima" title="Letters from Iwo Jima">Letters from Iwo Jima</a> being the primary example. I'm, though, unaware of any Japanese film that is a entirely non-Japanese language film. Anyway, the problem arises because "Japanese" ambiguously refers to things-related to the nation and language. This is an old news, but I guess I want to hear if anyone has thoughts on this. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z"></span>I can see some value in having them as two separate categories. <b>Japanese films</b> is obviously for films produced in Japan (or by Japanese companies). <b>Japanese-language films</b> can include such movies as <i><a href="/wiki/Letters_from_Iwo_Jima" title="Letters from Iwo Jima">Letters from Iwo Jima</a></i>, <i><a href="/wiki/The_Last_Samurai" title="The Last Samurai">The Last Samurai</a></i>, <i><a href="/wiki/Midway_(film)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Midway (film)">Midway</a></i>, and so on. These were not produced in Japan or by Japanese companies, so they wouldn't be in the first cat. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-07T04:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z"></span>That makes sense enough. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hirohisat" title="User:Hirohisat"><span style="color:blue;font-family:Times new roman;font-size:medium;">Hirohisat</span></a> <strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hirohisat" title="User talk:Hirohisat"><span style="color:green;font-family:Times new roman;">Kiwi</span></a></sup></strong> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z"></span>I would go on to say that any film in the first category is assumed to be in Japanese, and should therefore not be in the second cat. Perhaps the first cat should be a subcat of the second? ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T06:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z"></span>No I don't think so, or other wise opposite way around. Japanese-language films could belong in Japanese films because the later could mean something like Japan related films. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hirohisat" title="User:Hirohisat"><span style="color:blue;font-family:Times new roman;font-size:medium;">Hirohisat</span></a> <strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hirohisat" title="User talk:Hirohisat"><span style="color:green;font-family:Times new roman;">Kiwi</span></a></sup></strong> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-07T06:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-07T22:42:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z"></span>This reminds me of a discussion a short time ago about "Category:Films shot in Japan". I unfortunately cannot seem to find the discussion to link to it, but essentially the core of it was that the category assumed that it was talking about <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Foreign_films_shot_in_Japan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Foreign films shot in Japan (page does not exist)">American films shot in Japan</a> and needed to describe that more explicitly in its title, as the vast majority of films produced by Japanese companies are filmed in Japan. The American films shot there would be lost in the shuffle if everything filmed in Japan were listed together, and so a separate "Foreign films shot in Japan" category was created.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Similarly, for this case I think that we have basically two options: (1) Make "Japanese films" a subcat of "Japanese-language films", under the assumption that all films produced by Japanese companies contain some significant element of Japanese language, or (2) that we keep the two separate, not subcats of one another, and rename "Japanese-language films" to something which more explicitly describes the category as relating to foreign (non-Japanese-made) films. Iwo Jima, Last Samurai, Lost in Translation, Midway, should be described as "American films in Japanese language" or "Japanese language films produced by American companies" or something like that. <a href="/wiki/User:LordAmeth" title="User:LordAmeth">LordAmeth</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-LordAmeth-2007-09-07T22:42:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-07T22:42:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-07T22:42:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-07T07:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:15:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span>Yeah, something like Category:Foreign-made Japanese-language films, which is going to include "Letters from", "Lost in" etc, instead of having Category:Japanese-language films. I agree with Hirohisat in that (1) would be strange because there are categories like Category:American films, Category:Indian films, etc, and it would be strange if there is no Category:Japanese films. So, (2) was looking good to me, but then I noticed that there is Category:Films by language, so, again, it would be strange if the category didn't have a subcategory for Japanese-language. I feel like this is something we shouldn't be messing with. Anyway, thinks for the feedback. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:15:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:15:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-08T08:15:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_films,_Category:Japanese-language_films"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Request for Comments - Visual Kei<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Denaar-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei"></span>Notice: There is a current "request for comments" at the <a href="/wiki/Visual_kei" title="Visual kei">Visual kei</a> page. <a href="/wiki/User:Denaar" title="User:Denaar">Denaar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Denaar-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Denaar-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Denaar-2007-09-07T05:17:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments_-_Visual_Kei"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kanji_help_requested" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kanji_help_requested-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kanji_help_requested-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span>Kanji help requested<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kanji_help_requested-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested"></span>I have a bunch of Japanese names in romaji but I also want them in kanji. I have no idea how kanji is pronounced in Japanese, so after googling and wikipediaing, I have some names and some partial names and some nothing at all. Could someone take a look at the list below and fill it in, and correct me if I'm wrong. They're all Japanese generals, BTW. --<b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miborovsky&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Miborovsky (page does not exist)">Миборовский</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span>20th Corps; Ichiro Anzai 板西一良</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>34th Division; Yoshio Ban</li> <li>47th Division; Nagashi Watanabe 渡辺??</li> <li>68th Division; Mikio Tsutsumi 堤??</li> <li>116th Division; Ginnosuke Uchida 内田銀之助</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd>The Chinese Wikipedia has an article on <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%BF%E8%A5%BF%E4%B8%80%E8%89%AF" class="extiw" title="zh:板西一良">板西一良</a> but it does not give pronunciation. The Japanese Wikipedia mentions 内田銀之助 in a couple of articles (<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%AC%AC20%E5%B8%AB%E5%9B%A3_(%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%BB%8D)" class="extiw" title="ja:第20師団 (日本軍)">第20師団 (日本軍)</a> and <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%AC%AC118%E5%B8%AB%E5%9B%A3_(%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%BB%8D)" class="extiw" title="ja:第118師団 (日本軍)">第118師団 (日本軍)</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z"></span>Mikio Tsutsumi is "堤三樹男". Other two person is found as similar notation in this table<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://homepage1.nifty.com/kitabatake/rikukaigun42.html">[2]</a>, but it is not completely in agreement. Additional information, such as short career, is needed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nightshadow28" title="User:Nightshadow28">Nightshadow28</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-08T01:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the help. All were commanders in the Japanese 20th Corps and its subordinate divisions; the time was April 1945 (Showa 20, IIRC). I've updated my list above to show who was in charge of which division. --<b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miborovsky&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Miborovsky (page does not exist)">Миборовский</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T02:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T05:45:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span>34th Division; Yoshio Ban is 伴健雄. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T05:45:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T05:45:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T05:45:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T06:46:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span>As for 20th Corps; Ichiro Anzai 板西一良, I think it's not 板, but 坂. So the right name is 坂西　一良. Anzai? I am not sure but it may be Sakanishi. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T06:46:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T06:46:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T06:46:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Oh, his name is Ichiro Banzai! See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.generals.dk/general/Banzai/Ichiro/Japan.html">this</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z"></span>Oda Mari is right. <b>Ichirō Banzai</b><span style="font-weight: normal"> (<span title="Japanese-language text"><span lang="ja">坂西一良</span></span>)</span> (1891 - 1946), Lieutenant General (中将), Commander of the 20th Army. He died in Shanghai on September 1946. Source: Hata, Ikuhiko. Nihon Riku-Kaigun sōgō jiten. Tōkyō: Tōkyō Daigaku Shuppankai, 2005, p.131, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9784130301350" title="Special:BookSources/9784130301350">9784130301350</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nightshadow28" title="User:Nightshadow28">Nightshadow28</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T07:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z"></span>As for 47th Division; Nagashi Watanabe 渡辺, I think it's 渡辺洋. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www1.odn.ne.jp/tobu7757/J_wsd/armydate/person/division-c_list06.htm">47th Division/第四十七師団</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T09:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z"></span>34th Division; <b>Yoshio Ban</b><span style="font-weight: normal"> (<span title="Japanese-language text"><span lang="ja">伴健雄</span></span>)</span>, from Mar 25th 1943 to ending of the war.</li> <li>47th Division; 渡辺洋, from Oct 26th 1944 to ending of the war.</li> <li>68th Division; <b>Mikio Tsutsumi</b><span style="font-weight: normal"> (<span title="Japanese-language text"><span lang="ja">堤三樹男</span></span>)</span>, from July 1st 1944 to ending of the war.</li> <li><u>118th Division</u>; <b>Ginnosuke Uchida</b><span style="font-weight: normal"> (<span title="Japanese-language text"><span lang="ja">内田銀之助</span></span>)</span>, from July 14th 1944 to ending of the war.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Source: Kin-gendaishi hensan-kai, "Rikugun shidan sōran". Tōkyō: Shin jinbutsu ōrai sha, 2000, pp.165-166, 201-202, 210 and 227-228, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9784404028839" title="Special:BookSources/9784404028839">9784404028839</a>.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%99%B8%E8%BB%8D%E5%B8%AB%E5%9B%A3%E7%B7%8F%E8%A6%A7-%E8%BF%91%E7%8F%BE%E4%BB%A3%E5%8F%B2%E7%B7%A8%E7%BA%82%E4%BC%9A/dp/4404028830/ref=sr_1_1/250-2147719-2704211?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189246065&sr=1-1">[3]</a> Unlike Hata's book, this source does not have kana (<a href="/wiki/Ruby_character" title="Ruby character">ruby</a>) for person's name. Because this is the first time that I read aloud 洋 as Nagashi, I have suspended about Watanabe's romaji. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nightshadow28" title="User:Nightshadow28">Nightshadow28</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-08T10:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z"></span>I'm confused. Please see these. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/2493">[4]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/1300">[5]</a>. Hiroshi and Takeo! Other three's pages are <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/384">[6]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/4293">[7]</a>. and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/2401">[8]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-08T13:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-09T13:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z"></span>Oh, above-mentioned page is usefully. Their kanji (family) names and posts have been already matched. So they need to compare names with Миборовский's source (in English?), and decide. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nightshadow28" title="User:Nightshadow28">Nightshadow28</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-09T13:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-09T13:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-09T13:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-09T07:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span>Thank you, both of you. So the names are: Yoshio Ban is 伴健雄 (BTW, is it the convention to separate the family and given name?) and Mikio Tsutsumi is 堤三樹男. My English source gives Ichiro Anzai as commander of 20軍團 (sorry don't know how to type the simplified Japanese form), but it wouldn't be the first time it got Japanese name transliterations wrong, and my Chinese sources give his name as 板西一良, possibly because 坂 is rarely used in Chinese? 坂西一良 also gets more google hits. I'm willing to trust Nightshadow's Japanese source more when it comes to Japanese names and their pronunciation, haha. So Ichiro Banzai is 坂西一良. 47師團 was commanded by 渡辺洋, but is the romaji transliteration Nagashi Watanabe? There seems to be a dispute about that and I don't really know what's going on. Ginnosuke Uchida led the 118師團 not the 116師團... my source (the "Anzai" one) has him listed in the orbat leading the 116師團. Checked further sources and turns out the 118師團 surrendered in <a href="/wiki/Beiping" class="mw-redirect" title="Beiping">Beiping</a>... too far from <a href="/wiki/Hunan" title="Hunan">Hunan</a> where they ought to have been in April-June 1945... An additional source confirmed that it was the 116師團 that was in Hunan, and the Japanese wiki has 菱田元四郎 as its commander from March 9 Showa 20 onward, so it should check out. But what's the guy's romaji name? And could one of you provide a source indicating this command of his? I would like another source so I have something to show that one of my sources was incorrect in this regard. --<b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miborovsky&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Miborovsky (page does not exist)">Миборовский</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-07T23:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z"></span>板西 would be Itanishi, while 坂西 would be Sakanishi; both could be read "Hanzai/Banzai", but neither one is "Anzai". <s>I figure Anzai would be 安西 or 安斉, but neither one gets any hits combined with the given name.</s> (never mind, I see you figured this out above already). Oh yeah, 坂 isn't even in Big5, so your guess on why the Chinese source shows 板西 is probably right. <a href="/wiki/User:CaliforniaAliBaba" title="User:CaliforniaAliBaba">cab</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T03:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:00:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span>As for 菱田元四郎, his name is 元四郎/Motoshirō 菱田/Hishida. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/2403">this</a>. The page says he was born on June 13, 1890 and died in 1952. He became the commander of the 116th 師団 on March 9, 1945. To answer your question above, yes, it's the convention to separate the family and given name, as far as I'm concerned. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:00:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:00:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:00:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:26:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span>You can see the history of the 116th/第百十六師団 commonders <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www1.odn.ne.jp/tobu7757/J_wsd/armydate/person/division-c_list08.htm">here</a>. And they were in 湖南省 when the war ended. Down below on the page, you can see the 118th/第百十八師団. The division was a new one, organized on July 10, 1944 in 北支那 and they were in 張家口 at the end of the war. The commander was Ginnosuke Uchida. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:26:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:26:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:26:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://homepage1.nifty.com/kitabatake/rikukaigun11.4.html"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span>This page</a> shows you where the Japanese army divisions were at the end of war. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2007-09-10T04:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z"></span>Should be correct, then. Very useful website, there. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miborovsky&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miborovsky (page does not exist)">Миборовский</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2007-09-10T05:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z"></span>I relisted. For showing clearly a relation of "kanji - kana - romaji", I write as family name (1st) - given name (2nd). <ul><li>20th Army; 坂西一良 / ばんざいいちろう / <b>BANZAI Ichirō</b> - I trust a description by Hata's <a href="/wiki/Ruby_character" title="Ruby character">ruby character</a>. When it is a error, let's throw a <a href="/wiki/Pie" title="Pie">pie</a> to the <a href="/wiki/Tokyo_University" class="mw-redirect" title="Tokyo University">Tokyo University</a> together.</li> <li>34th Division; 伴健雄 / ばんたけお (よしお?) / <b>BAN Takeo</b> (Yoshio?) - It has a confliction at given name with this<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/1300">[9]</a> and Миборовский's source. Although I think that "Takeo" is more popular and used in today than "Yoshio", it may be considered that it has not been supporting in English source. It is a good idea to write this thing in article's discussion page until finding another English source.</li> <li>47th Division; 渡辺洋 / わたなべひろし / <b>WATANABE Hiroshi</b> (Nagashi?) - He also has a difference between this<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://purunus.main.jp/dnum/2493">[10]</a> and Миборовский's source. However, since it is a little incongruous to read this kanji as "Nagashi", "Hiroshi" is more advantageous. And there was a general who has a name "渡辺直知". If I read "直知", it is "Nao-chi" (or "Nao-tomo"). Possibly, it may be confusion to this person.</li> <li>68th Division; 堤三樹男 / つつみみきお / <b>TSUTSUMI Mikio</b> - No problem.</li> <li>116th Division; 菱田元四郎 / ひしだもとしろう / <b>HISHIDA Motoshirō</b> - It is confirmed by Oda Mari's source.</li> <li>118th Division; 内田銀之助 / うちだぎんのすけ / <b>UCHIDA Ginnosuke</b> - No problem.</li></ul></dd> <dd>As mentioned above, as a summary and reply. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nightshadow28" title="User:Nightshadow28">Nightshadow28</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z-Miborovsky-2007-09-10T06:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-11T21:03:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z"></span>Is there no standard pronunciation for 伴健雄 and 渡辺洋? Are Takeo and Hiroshi <i>correct</i> transliterations, just one of two, or are they wrong altogether? How would their names be pronounced in Japanese? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miborovsky&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miborovsky (page does not exist)">Миборовский</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Miborovsky-2007-09-11T21:03:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-11T21:03:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miborovsky-2007-09-11T21:03:00.000Z-Nightshadow28-2007-09-10T15:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-12T05:09:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested"></span>I'm sorry but I can't tell the correct transliterations of the names. Because they are proper nouns. Takeo and Hiroshi are the major transliterations/pronunciations. But other transliterations/pronunciations are possible. If you see a person named 渋谷, you can't tell if the name is Shibuya or Shibutani until what he/she pronounces the name. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-12T05:09:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-12T05:09:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-12T05:09:00.000Z-Kanji_help_requested"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kosei_Ono" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kosei_Ono-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kosei_Ono-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Kosei_Ono" title="Kosei Ono">Kosei Ono</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kosei_Ono-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z-Kosei_Ono"></span>Could someone put <a href="/wiki/Kosei_Ono" title="Kosei Ono">Kosei Ono</a>'s kanji name in the article? My computer doesn't read kanji. Is there a page to request kanji-fying of an article's title? --<a href="/wiki/User:Montchav" title="User:Montchav">Montchav</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z-Kosei_Ono" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z-Kosei_Ono"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z-Kosei_Ono"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-08T18:44:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Hirohisat" title="User:Hirohisat"><span style="color:blue;font-family:Times new roman;font-size:medium;">Hirohisat</span></a> <strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hirohisat" title="User talk:Hirohisat"><span style="color:green;font-family:Times new roman;">Kiwi</span></a></sup></strong> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hirohisat-2007-09-08T18:44:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-08T18:44:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-08T18:44:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-08T20:24:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span>And to answer your second question, you can post requests here and they'll usually get handled quickly. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-08T20:24:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-08T20:24:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-08T20:24:00.000Z-Montchav-2007-09-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fair_use_images" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fair_use_images-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fair_use_images-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z"></span>Fair use images<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fair_use_images-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Drüing-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z-Fair_use_images"></span>Can someone who is experienced with the "fair use" rules for images take a look at <a href="/wiki/Stand_Up!!" class="mw-redirect" title="Stand Up!!">Stand Up!!</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Stand_Up!!" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Stand Up!!">talk page</a>) please? All images there have been tagged for deletion. I'm okay with removing the images if there's no other way, but I'd prefer someone knowledgeable to look over them first. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Dr%C3%BCing" title="User:Michael Drüing">Darkstar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Michael_Drüing-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z-Fair_use_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Drüing-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z-Fair_use_images"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Drüing-2007-09-10T13:33:00.000Z-Fair_use_images"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_for_Japanese_terms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_for_Japanese_terms-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_for_Japanese_terms-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span>Template for Japanese terms<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_for_Japanese_terms-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms"></span>I'm planning on creating an infobox-style template that is similar to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chinese" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Chinese">chinese</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, to appear in the upper right corner of articles that focus on a Japanese term, providing fields for linguistic information. Because I am hardly a Japanese scholar, and I know there are very knowledgable people here, I wanted to run some ideas by you folks. At the outset, unlike <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chinese" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Chinese">chinese</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, the template will contain only Japanese (I'll worry about expanding it later, if there is a reason to do so). The purpose would be to comprehensively indicate the linguistic treatment of the term, much as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chinese" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Chinese">chinese</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> does, with 17 separate fields for permutation of the word in Chinese alone (many more for foriegn languages). I propose the following fields, the parameters for all of which would be optional (actual text proposed to be included as follows; descriptions appearing in parentheses not to be shown in template): </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Kanji" title="Kanji">Kanji</a> (if no difference between kyujitai and shinjitai)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Shinjitai" title="Shinjitai">Shinjitai</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ky%C5%ABjitai" title="Kyūjitai">Kyūjitai</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Hiragana" title="Hiragana">Hiragana</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Historical_kana_usage" class="mw-redirect" title="Historical kana usage">Historical kana</a> (this seems like a terrible way to name this field; can anyone propose a better one, and is this field really necessary for completeness?)</li></ul> <dl><dd>Transliterations [hide/show]</dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Hepburn_romanization" title="Hepburn romanization">Revised Hepburn</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Hepburn_romanization" title="Hepburn romanization">Traditional Hepburn</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Kunrei-shiki" class="mw-redirect" title="Kunrei-shiki">Kunrei-shiki</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nihon-shiki" class="mw-redirect" title="Nihon-shiki">Nihon-shiki</a></li></ul> <p>All of these fields, except for "historical kana", currently appear within the Japanese section of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chinese" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Chinese">chinese</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Also, would it be useful to have a field for katakana? Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. I'd like the template to be as scholarly, and technical as possible. As a secondary matter, is there anyone who would oppose moving the current <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Japanese" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Japanese">Japanese</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Japanese_script" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Japanese script">Japanese script</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to allow this template to live there? <a href="/wiki/User:Bradford44" title="User:Bradford44">Bradford44</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span>If I remember correctly, general consensus at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS-JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS-JA">WP:MOS-JA</a> is that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Nihongo" title="Template:Nihongo">nihongo</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is suffice and we don't need a language infobox for Japan-related articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kusunose" title="User:Kusunose">Kusunose</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T15:54:00.000Z-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z"></span>I had a much longer response typed out and I accidentally deleted it... Nevertheless, I will say simply that I don't think those discussions are conclusive (given their age or tangential nature), and more importantly, I propose this box only for terms without a more specific infobox. See <a href="/wiki/Rice_congee" class="mw-redirect" title="Rice congee">Rice congee</a> and <a href="/wiki/Qi" title="Qi">Qi</a> for good examples of the chinese template. Currently, the infobox might be useful to have at articles such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Kizeme&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Kizeme (page does not exist)">kizeme</a>, <a href="/wiki/Maai" title="Maai">maai</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tsuki" title="Tsuki">tsuki</a>, <a href="/wiki/Aiki_(martial_arts_principle)" title="Aiki (martial arts principle)">aiki (martial arts principle)</a>, and other articles which are about concepts expressed by Japanese terms. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Bradford44" title="User:Bradford44">Bradford44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradford44" title="User talk:Bradford44">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bradford44" title="Special:Contributions/Bradford44">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T15:54:00.000Z-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T15:54:00.000Z-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-11T15:54:00.000Z-Kusunose-2007-09-11T15:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-11T20:42:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Kusunose. We discussed this point. I believe the result was that we do not want such a box. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-11T20:42:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-11T20:42:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-11T20:42:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amake-2007-09-12T00:12:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span>Ouch, that thing is an eyesore. It seems like a lot of unnecessary minutia better suited to Wiktionary. -<a href="/wiki/User:Amake" title="User:Amake">Amake</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Amake-2007-09-12T00:12:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amake-2007-09-12T00:12:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amake-2007-09-12T00:12:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Fg2, Kusunose, and Amake: that box is not really necessary here. It would be better suited to Wiktionary for individual words. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-11T13:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z"></span>So do you think that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chinese" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Chinese">Chinese</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> should be Afd'd for violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#DICT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT#DICT</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Bradford44" title="User:Bradford44">Bradford44</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T00:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusunose-2007-09-12T01:56:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span>For articles with multiple local place names containing Chinese and/or Korean (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCGN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCGN">WP:NCGN</a> recommends to list relevant local names), multilingual language infobox may look better than list of local names in prose littered with alternative transliterations. But I don't think we need those minute parameters for Japanese. As done with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Nihongo" title="Template:Nihongo">nihongo</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, what we really need is a word in the Japanese script (be it kanji, hiragana or katakana) and transliterated (Hepburn romanization per MOS-JA) only. Details such as differences between old and new kanji forms or romanizations should be covered in dictionary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kusunose" title="User:Kusunose">Kusunose</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Kusunose-2007-09-12T01:56:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusunose-2007-09-12T01:56:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusunose-2007-09-12T01:56:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T02:10:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span>Yes, what Kusunose wrote. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T02:10:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T02:10:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-12T02:10:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-12T02:21:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span>Just adding my agreement with Kusunose, Nihonjoe, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:BilabialBoxing" title="User:BilabialBoxing">BilabialBoxing</a> <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:BilabialBoxing" title="User:BilabialBoxing">BilabialBoxing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilabialBoxing" title="User talk:BilabialBoxing">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BilabialBoxing" title="Special:Contributions/BilabialBoxing">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-12T02:21:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-12T02:21:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-12T02:21:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2007-09-12T02:39:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span>Sinzitai</i> and/or (modern) <i>kana</i> will anyway be provided, probably via the "nihongo" template. It may very occasionally be helpful also to provide <i>kyûzitai</i> and/or <i>kyûkanadukai.</i> Problems with <i>kyûzitai</i> are that there may be more than one, there may be more than one widely-used pre-standardization simplified form (consider the prestandard alternatives to 画, e.g. 田 within ニ), and that they may be hard to type in if available at all. The other fields just seem pointless: Anyone interested can infer <i>Kunreisiki</i> and <i>Nihonsiki</i> from the <i>kana.</i> I arrogantly rate my knowledge of Hepburn as at least as high as that of the average adult Japanese person (though not as high as other people writing here), and yet I have great trouble remembering what WP means by "revised" and "traditional" Hepburn; I'd hate to feel obligated to remind myself before tinkering with any article on a Japanese term. (Actually I wouldn't bother to write this stuff in. But I might feel obligated to check what others had written.) And the whole affair would take a lot of space in the article and suggest that the article was written by and for obsessives. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hoary-2007-09-12T02:39:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2007-09-12T02:39:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2007-09-12T02:39:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T18:09:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms"></span>Fair enough, I will refrain from creating a template for Japanese terms. <a href="/wiki/User:Bradford44" title="User:Bradford44">Bradford44</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T18:09:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T18:09:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradford44-2007-09-12T18:09:00.000Z-Template_for_Japanese_terms"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speaketh_de_Japanese?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speaketh_de_Japanese?-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"><span id="Speaketh_de_Japanese.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speaketh_de_Japanese?-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span>Speaketh de Japanese?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speaketh_de_Japanese?-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z-Speaketh_de_Japanese?"></span>Hello. I am a frequent editor of <a href="/wiki/Akatsuki_(Naruto)" class="mw-redirect" title="Akatsuki (Naruto)">Akatsuki (Naruto)</a>, and am currently in need of help with the article's sources. The article is sourced up the wazoo, so there's nothing wrong with a lack of per se. The problem is that there is little in terms of third party sources. Since the majority of the topic has yet to be officially translated into English, there is a severe absence of coverage by reliable English bodies. What little there is to be found in terms of reception/conception/so on only exists on fansites and forums, mediums that are unsuitable as sources. As such, I ask that someone who knows Japanese help with finding Japanese sources on the topic. Appraisals of the organization and its goals, how the members of the organization have been received by the world at large, and anything that qualifies as out of universe information would be greatly appreciated. Anyone willing to help is free to reply here where I will respond or on the article's talk page where a broader array of editors can be found. Thank you. <i><b>~<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snapper2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snapper2 (page does not exist)">Snapper</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snapper2" title="User talk:Snapper2">T</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Snapper2" title="Special:Contributions/Snapper2">o</a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z-Speaketh_de_Japanese?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z-Speaketh_de_Japanese?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z-Speaketh_de_Japanese?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span>You're asking for <i>reliable sources</i> regarding a "fictional organization of criminal ninja"? Good luck. <a href="/wiki/User:Jpatokal" title="User:Jpatokal">Jpatokal</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z"></span>Exactly. Aren't there more worthwhile things you could be editing? Frankly I think it's sad that some of the longest and most detailed articles on Wikipedia are about anime minutia that have zero importance in the real world. -<a href="/wiki/User:Amake" title="User:Amake">Amake</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2007-09-14T02:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z"></span>Importance is in the eye of the beholder. One could argue that <a href="/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_Engquist" title="Björn Engquist">Björn Engquist</a> is of little significance to the real world, though those who edit his article and members of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Texas" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas">Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas</a> might disagree for whatever reason. The amount of coverage fictional topics receive, however, I will agree with. <i><b>~<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snapper2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snapper2 (page does not exist)">Snapper</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snapper2" title="User talk:Snapper2">T</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Snapper2" title="Special:Contributions/Snapper2">o</a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-14T03:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amake-2007-09-14T05:58:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but Björn Engquist is a real person, and Texas is an actual place. Though I had never heard of Mr. Engquist, from reading the brief article on him and his life, I can confidently say that he has had more of an impact on the real world than <a href="/wiki/Akatsuki_(Naruto)" class="mw-redirect" title="Akatsuki (Naruto)">Akatsuki (Naruto)</a>, which deals with a fictional organization in a fictional work that is known only to a small number of hardcore nerds. -<a href="/wiki/User:Amake" title="User:Amake">Amake</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Amake-2007-09-14T05:58:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amake-2007-09-14T05:58:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amake-2007-09-14T05:58:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span>You may have better luck asking over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANIME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANIME">WikiProject Anime and manga</a>. I agree that finding acceptable sources regarding a group of fictional criminal ninjas is going to be a tough one, regardless of Japanese reading ability. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z"></span>I considered that, but I was directed here by an admin and thought he might have had a reason for doing so. I shall seek better fortunes there. <i><b>~<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snapper2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snapper2 (page does not exist)">Snapper</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snapper2" title="User talk:Snapper2">T</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Snapper2" title="Special:Contributions/Snapper2">o</a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snapper2-2007-09-14T04:48:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-14T03:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span>I personally don't see a problem with detailed anime articles -- it seems natural to devote a lot of effort into what one is interested in, whether it's 1970's anime or Turco-Persian war history or Kansai-region Japanophilia or whatever. Anyways, I can lend a hand with the Akatsuki stuff, at least until Fall term starts (in 2 1/2 weeks). One warning, I'm not current with the series, I stopped reading around Orochimaru's death arc... By the way, from what I understand you're trying to get more 3rd party information on the reception of the general Japanese public to Akatsuki and its members? <a href="/wiki/User:Konamaiki" title="User:Konamaiki">Konamaiki</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-09-13T23:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-15T05:29:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z"></span>You aren't that far behind; the remaining members have been revealed, but that's about it. And your understanding is correct. Anything that would qualify as out of universe information would be gladly welcomed. Interviews with Masashi Kishimoto that explain why he gave a character an ability he did, anime episode or manga volume reviews that point out how clichéd world domination in a work of fiction is, etc. Thanks ahead of time for anything you find. <i><b>~<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snapper2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snapper2 (page does not exist)">Snapper</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snapper2" title="User talk:Snapper2">T</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Snapper2" title="Special:Contributions/Snapper2">o</a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Snapper2-2007-09-15T05:29:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snapper2-2007-09-15T05:29:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snapper2-2007-09-15T05:29:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2007-09-14T05:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time" data-mw-thread-id="h-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"><span id="Time_in_Japan.2C_Japan_Standard_Time"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Time_in_Japan" class="mw-redirect" title="Time in Japan">Time in Japan</a>, <a href="/wiki/Japan_Standard_Time" title="Japan Standard Time">Japan Standard Time</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time"></span>There is some duplication between the above two. Since the second article (JST) is short, to me it makes sense to merge it to the first, but I would like to know if anyone else has an opinion before doing that. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span>Half the information in <a href="/wiki/Time_in_Japan" class="mw-redirect" title="Time in Japan">Time in Japan</a> duplicates <a href="/wiki/Japanese_calendar" title="Japanese calendar">Japanese calendar</a>, and I wonder if it's worth keeping. JST is only one name for the time zone. Maybe merge both to <a href="/wiki/UTC%2B9" class="mw-redirect" title="UTC+9">UTC+9</a>? Not sure what's best. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span>I think it would be fine to merge the JST article into TiJ, and then redirect it. Just have a section about JST in the article. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z"></span>There is a <a href="/wiki/Category:Time_by_country" title="Category:Time by country">category for time by country</a> so maybe keeping Time in Japan as both Taku and Nihonjoe proposed is best. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-15T01:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T01:46:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z"></span>Hmmm the article JST is short so I understand you want to merge it to the other article. But there is also a category <a href="/wiki/Category:Time_zones" title="Category:Time zones">Category:Time zones</a> where we find much shorter articles. JST as timezone is a subject worthy to keep as is, I think. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T01:46:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T01:46:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T01:46:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T01:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time"></span>In comparison, <a href="/wiki/Time_in_China" title="Time in China">Time in China</a>, for example, has sections for each time zone (if they are historical), strengthening the argument for merger. However, there is no <a href="/wiki/Time_in_Korea" class="mw-disambig" title="Time in Korea">Time in Korea</a> (or <a href="/wiki/Time_in_South_Korea" title="Time in South Korea">Time in South Korea</a>), so an article of this kind may not be caught on yet. Indeed, there is no article linking Time in Japan <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Time_in_Japan">[11]</a> aside from JST. I agree that JST is an important topic and can be expanded greatly, judging from the corresponding article in ja wiki. So what to do. I guess, my problem is that I fail to see the potential growth of <a href="/wiki/Time_in_Japan" class="mw-redirect" title="Time in Japan">Time in Japan</a>. As Fg2 observed, it basically discusses the two topic, calendar and timezone, both of which are covered by standalone articles right now. My revised proposal: why don't we move the materials in TiJ to corresponding articles and delete it or redirect it to, umm, <a href="/wiki/Japan" title="Japan">Japan</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z-Time_in_Japan,_Japan_Standard_Time"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span>A question: Are historical ways of hour counting subjects of <a href="/wiki/Time_in_Japan" class="mw-redirect" title="Time in Japan">Time in Japan</a>? If so, you can expand it, even a bit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-15T03:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z"></span>That information is in <a href="/wiki/Japanese_clock" title="Japanese clock">Japanese clock</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-15T06:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T08:03:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Hmm, so redirect or disambiguation ...? --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T08:03:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T08:03:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-15T08:03:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-15T06:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History_of_East_Asia" data-mw-thread-id="h-History_of_East_Asia-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History_of_East_Asia-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/History_of_East_Asia" title="History of East Asia">History of East Asia</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-History_of_East_Asia-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia"></span>Hi. I just wanted to point out this developing article, the <a href="/wiki/History_of_East_Asia" title="History of East Asia">history of East Asia</a>, for people who are passionate about Japanese history. While Japan is quite unique, it shares some of its history with its mainland neighbors. See <a href="/wiki/History_of_Europe" title="History of Europe">history of Europe</a> for comparison. Common elements in the history of East Asia might include: </p> <ul><li>the arrival of <a href="/wiki/Buddhism" title="Buddhism">Buddhism</a> from South Asia / India, and eventually Japan</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Taoism" title="Taoism">Taoism</a> and <a href="/wiki/Confucianism" title="Confucianism">Confucianism</a> and its spread to Japan</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Neo-confucianism" class="mw-redirect" title="Neo-confucianism">Neo-confucianism</a> in the "middle ages" -- did this effect Japan?</li> <li>the <a href="/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven" title="Mandate of Heaven">Mandate of Heaven</a> in China, and the reaction of Japanese rulers</li> <li>any similarities between the <a href="/wiki/Chinese_civil_service" class="mw-redirect" title="Chinese civil service">Chinese civil service</a> and the organization some governments in feudal Japan</li> <li>the advent of the <a href="/wiki/Stirrup" title="Stirrup">stirrup</a> and the arrival of the <a href="/wiki/Mongols" title="Mongols">Mongols</a> in the region</li> <li>the invention of <a href="/wiki/Gunpowder" title="Gunpowder">gunpowder</a></li> <li>the invention of the <a href="/wiki/Printing_press" title="Printing press">printing press</a></li> <li>the arrival of the European powers, and its effect on technology, diplomacy (e.g.: the mandate of heaven), philosophy, etc.</li> <li>any notable wars that helped shape the region</li></ul> <p>I hope we can all work together to improve this article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:64.231.193.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:64.231.193.236 (page does not exist)">64.231.193.236</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-16T16:05:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia"></span>I suggest you to separate this theme into two, even if both are written in a same article at last. 1) East Asian History without Japan 2) East Asian History including Japan. Due to geographical conditions, Korean Peninsula had a tighter and older relationships with China than Japan islands has had, so there are many things which affected China and Korean, but not Japan. As for notable wars, I would point out three wars in 7th (China[Tang] & Gokuryo vs Japan & Beijke), 12th (China[Yuan/Mongol] & Korea vs Japan) and 16th (China[Ming] & Korea vs Japan). --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z-History_of_East_Asia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-20T16:39:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z"></span>That definitely makes sense. While the article is about East Asia, it should be careful to make blanket statements. If something was confined to one part of East Asia, and excluded another part, it should say so. I know Japan was isolated from mainland China for a long time, in many ways. The same way that we can speak of the arrival of the Mongols in the region, we can also talk about growing contact between Japan and China.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>However, organization and categories are less of an issue at this point. The real issue, this early in the article's life, is content. Those notable wars might help though, and I'm going to try to add them right now -- for what little I know about them. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:64.231.193.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:64.231.193.236 (page does not exist)">64.231.193.236</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-20T16:39:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-20T16:39:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-20T16:39:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_Articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_Articles-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_Articles-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span>Requested Articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_Articles-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z-Requested_Articles"></span>Hello Wikipedians, the backlog at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Japan" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan">Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan</a> is getting very heavy. Maybe we should try to make it one of our goals? --<a href="/wiki/User:Hirohisat" title="User:Hirohisat"><span style="color:blue;font-family:Times new roman;font-size:medium;">Hirohisat</span></a> <strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hirohisat" title="User talk:Hirohisat"><span style="color:green;font-family:Times new roman;">Kiwi</span></a></sup></strong> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z-Requested_Articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z-Requested_Articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z-Requested_Articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-17T02:50:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span>There are various kinds of article requests listed on that page. First, I found a few red links but the articles already existed under different titles, so I made redirects. Second, many have blue links to the Japanese Wikipedia, but there's no article with that title on the Japanese Wikipedia. This can make it harder to find information about the topics. A third category of request is for a small topic that perhaps should be part of a larger article, as it is in Japanese in some cases. Fourth, there are some blue links. And fifth, of course, there are lots of suggestions for brand-new articles on a broad range of subjects. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-17T02:50:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-17T02:50:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-17T02:50:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span>That list is always growing and shrinking, constantly in somewhat of a flux. Given that Wikipedia only keeps growing in popularity, the odds are that more and more articles will be requested. We're making them as fast as we can, but I suspect that list will grow faster than we can make the articles requested. Not to mention the issues that Fg2 mentioned. (^_^) ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-17T00:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z"></span>maybe the group needs to be split? I know some other geographical groups have done that. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:64.231.193.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:64.231.193.236 (page does not exist)">64.231.193.236</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-17T02:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:22:00.000Z-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span>It may be that the pages needs to be further split into appropriate sections. However, as I indicated above, I see articles being removed and added there somewhat regularly. Not daily, but regularly. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:22:00.000Z-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:22:00.000Z-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:22:00.000Z-64.231.193.236-2007-09-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kimono" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kimono-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kimono-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span>Kimono<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kimono-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z-Kimono"></span>Kimono was listed as a b-class article despite never having had any sources at all; I have one source, Liza Dalby's Kimono, and have gone through adding citations, but if anyone else has sources, please, come on by, let's get this up to GA <a href="/wiki/User:Kuronue" title="User:Kuronue">Kuronue</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuronue" title="User talk:Kuronue">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z-Kimono" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z-Kimono"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z-Kimono"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span>In fact, I found the article in its sorry state when I was looking for information on something different - maybe we should put together a clothing task force? <a href="/wiki/User:Kuronue" title="User:Kuronue">Kuronue</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuronue" title="User talk:Kuronue">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kintetsubuffalo-2007-09-18T04:08:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z"></span>I would be supportive of that. <a href="/wiki/User:Kintetsubuffalo" title="User:Kintetsubuffalo">Chris</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Kintetsubuffalo-2007-09-18T04:08:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kintetsubuffalo-2007-09-18T04:08:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kintetsubuffalo-2007-09-18T04:08:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure there would be enough for a taskforce, but I'd be willing to support the idea if there were enough articles. Can you list 40-50 articles that would fall under this taskforce? ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-18T02:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z"></span>We could make the task force and set a goal to make certain articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hirohisat" title="User:Hirohisat"><span style="color:blue;font-family:Times new roman;font-size:medium;">Hirohisat</span></a> <strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hirohisat" title="User talk:Hirohisat"><span style="color:green;font-family:Times new roman;">Kiwi</span></a></sup></strong> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:39:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z"></span>True. I just want to make sure there's enough to keep a taskforce going for at least a year. Otherwise I don't know that it's worth the bother to organize it. (^_^) ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:39:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:39:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-18T05:39:00.000Z-Hirohisat-2007-09-18T05:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E5%92%8C%E6%9C%8D" class="extiw" title="ja:Category:和服"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z-Kimono"></span>ja:Category:和服</a> (jawiki category "Japanese Clothes") contains 117 articles, while many of them would be better to handle in merger here. Just for your information. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z-Kimono" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z-Kimono"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z-Kimono"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z"></span>Not to mention the Kimono article alone lists Nagajūban, Hadajūban, Susoyoke, Haori, Haori-himo, Obi-ita, Datejime, and Koshi himo as clothing items which have no more than a few lines in the context of the larger article (not even their own segments of an article, just a few lines). <a href="/wiki/User:Kuronue" title="User:Kuronue">Kuronue</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuronue" title="User talk:Kuronue">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-18T12:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-19T05:29:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z"></span>Okay. As I said, I'm not against it; I just wanted to make sure there was enough work to justify the trouble to create one. I would create it at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Clothing_taskforce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Clothing taskforce (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Clothing taskforce</a> (or, if you wanted to expand the scope a little bit, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Textiles_taskforce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Textiles taskforce (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Textiles taskforce</a>). ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-19T05:29:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-19T05:29:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-19T05:29:00.000Z-Kuronue-2007-09-19T05:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot" title="User:AlexNewArtBot">User:AlexNewArtBot</a> - New Article Bot<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alex_Bakharev-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot"></span>Hi, I have made a new feed for the New Article bot. The bot reads all the new articles for a day and puts suspected Japan-related articles into <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/JapanSearchResult" title="User:AlexNewArtBot/JapanSearchResult">User:AlexNewArtBot/JapanSearchResult</a>, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant. Or whatever you want to do with them. </p><p>The list of rules are in <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/Japan" title="User:AlexNewArtBot/Japan">User:AlexNewArtBot/Japan</a>, there is also the log on the <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/JapanLog" title="User:AlexNewArtBot/JapanLog">User:AlexNewArtBot/JapanLog</a> explaining the rules that sent an article to the search results (the log is cleared every day, so try to look into the history of the log). Please contact me if you are interested in the fine tuning of the rules </p><p>That is all. Any suggestions are welcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Alex_Bakharev" title="User:Alex Bakharev">Alex Bakharev</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Alex_Bakharev-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alex_Bakharev-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alex_Bakharev-2007-09-18T04:32:00.000Z-User:AlexNewArtBot_-_New_Article_Bot"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yoshio_Kojima_AfD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Yoshio Kojima AfD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Yoshio_Kojima" title="Yoshio Kojima"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KTo288-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD"></span>Yoshio Kojima</a> has been nominated for deletion on the grounds of lack of notability at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yoshio_Kojima" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoshio Kojima">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoshio Kojima</a>, I don't really know anything on this topic only what can be found at <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%8F%E5%B3%B6%E3%82%88%E3%81%97%E3%81%8A" class="extiw" title="ja:小島よしお">ja:小島よしお</a> and from google, any light on this topic would be welcome. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:KTo288" title="User:KTo288">KTo288</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-KTo288-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KTo288-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KTo288-2007-09-18T14:03:00.000Z-Yoshio_Kojima_AfD"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="please_help_with_kana" data-mw-thread-id="h-please_help_with_kana-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-please_help_with_kana-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z"></span>please help with kana<span data-mw-comment-end="h-please_help_with_kana-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z-please_help_with_kana"></span>Please help to add kana signs to <a href="/wiki/Arthur_Ransome_Club" title="Arthur Ransome Club">Arthur Ransome Club</a>, it has some untidy <a href="/wiki/Romaji" class="mw-redirect" title="Romaji">Romaji</a> at the moment. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu <a href="/wiki/User:Nankai" title="User:Nankai">Nankai</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z-please_help_with_kana" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z-please_help_with_kana"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z-please_help_with_kana"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-19T04:43:00.000Z-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-19T04:43:00.000Z-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-19T04:43:00.000Z-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2007-09-19T04:43:00.000Z-Nankai-2007-09-19T04:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z"></span>Invitation to comment on move request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request"></span>Thought people might like to participate in this move request: <a href="/wiki/Hane_Goshi" class="mw-redirect" title="Hane Goshi">Hane Goshi</a> → <a href="/wiki/Hane_goshi" title="Hane goshi">Hane goshi</a>. Please discuss <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hane_Goshi#Requested_move" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Hane Goshi">here</a>. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Bradford44" title="User:Bradford44">Bradford44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradford44" title="User talk:Bradford44">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bradford44" title="Special:Contributions/Bradford44">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Bradford44-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradford44-2007-09-19T19:07:00.000Z-Invitation_to_comment_on_move_request"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z"></span>Participant list and taskforce participation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation"></span>I've update the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Participants">Participant list</a> to include the new taskforces added and merged within the last month or two. Please check your entry to make sure it's still correct. Thank you for helping out with the project and its growing list of articles. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T01:25:00.000Z-Participant_list_and_taskforce_participation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Related_talk_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Related_talk_pages-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Related_talk_pages-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z"></span>Related talk pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Related_talk_pages-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages"></span>To make it easier for people to get to the talk pages of various taskforces and descendant projects, I created that header way up at the top. Let me know what you think. It may make things easier for people to notice the taskforces, too. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z"></span>It looks good, while it's a bid wider than my preferences/settings (I employ always a side window for searching on my SeaMonkey). I'd be happier if they are in two columns instead of current three. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T02:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z"></span>Well, I tried. Is that better? I can't seem to make the talk archive table be centered, though. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T06:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, it's much better, while the right box (for talks) seems to be placed in too much right (and 1/3 out of the screen) for me. I tried to fix it, but I have no idea how to do it... --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-20T07:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-21T00:23:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z"></span>What is a SeaMonkey? I'm aware of the Mozilla software, and the little brine shrimp, but the way your are writing it sounds like it's some sort of handheld device. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-21T00:23:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-21T00:23:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-21T00:23:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-20T08:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages"></span>SeaMonkey is what was called "Mozilla Suite" formerly, and roughly similar with early Mozilla built. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z-Related_talk_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-21T23:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/SeaMonkey" title="SeaMonkey">SeaMonkey</a>. I couldn't resist myself. Remember what wikipedia is for?. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-21T23:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-21T23:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-09-21T23:17:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-21T11:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates.2FHeian_Palace"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Heian Palace">Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Heian Palace</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace"></span>Hi all, the sources for this topic are nearly all in Japanese, which the article's main author doesn't read and write. He has used the best English sources, but they are very few. It would be much better if someone that reads Japanese could assess and use some of the best Japanese sources. <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Aphaia" class="extiw" title="m:User:Aphaia">m:User:Aphaia</a> was kind enough to search these up <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://webcat.nii.ac.jp/cgi-bin/shsproc?id=BN01755311">http://webcat.nii.ac.jp/cgi-bin/shsproc?id=BN01755311</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://webcatplus-equal.nii.ac.jp/libportal/EqualFromForm?hdn_if_lang=jpn&select_dmax=10&txt_author=%E8%A5%BF%E5%B1%B1%E8%89%AF%E5%B9%B3&check_japanese=off">http://webcatplus-equal.nii.ac.jp/libportal/EqualFromForm?hdn_if_lang=jpn&select_dmax=10&txt_author=%E8%A5%BF%E5%B1%B1%E8%89%AF%E5%B9%B3&check_japanese=off</a> she also mentioned trying "ryohei nishioka as keyword of author ... he is supposed to be the best authority of this theme". Thank you - <a href="/wiki/User:Taxman" title="User:Taxman">Taxman</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taxman" title="User talk:Taxman">Talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Heian_Palace"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stca74-2007-09-22T08:32:00.000Z-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span>I've now been able to find full bibliographical data for the main Japanese reference on the Palace mentioned in the English-language sources used in the article. This has now been added in the Further readings section in the article. Additional references of course welcome. Thanks for the help. <a href="/wiki/User:Stca74" title="User:Stca74">Stca74</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Stca74-2007-09-22T08:32:00.000Z-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stca74-2007-09-22T08:32:00.000Z-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stca74-2007-09-22T08:32:00.000Z-Taxman-2007-09-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="'Mom'_restaurants?" data-mw-thread-id="h-'Mom'_restaurants?-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z"><span id=".27Mom.27_restaurants.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-'Mom'_restaurants?-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z"></span>'Mom' restaurants?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-'Mom'_restaurants?-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z-'Mom'_restaurants?"></span>I was glazing over the content of the <a href="/wiki/Cosplay_restaurant" title="Cosplay restaurant">Cosplay restaurant</a>, which covers the recent boom of "maid cafes," but it seemed to me that we might be a little lacking of related topics. The notability of maid cafes over run-of-the-mill places is in large part the change in the social rules between the server and customer, i.e. being more naka yoku and not using typical formal speech. In particular, いらっしゃいません replaced by お帰りなさい and that sort of thing. </p><p>But these aren't the only places that have done this! I have before been to something called "mama" restaurants (I think) before. So there'll be a middle aged lady running it, who will do the お帰りなさい bit and whatnot. You can still address the server as Okaasan (which I just fond weird). </p><p>But anyway, I haven't been able to find much very specific information on this subject, all I can really say is that I've been to one. But I think it would be good to provide more overarching content on the general topic of special restaurants in Japan. But firstly, does anyone know what I'm talking about? -<a href="/wiki/User:Theanphibian" title="User:Theanphibian">Theanphibian</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theanphibian" title="User talk:Theanphibian">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Theanphibian" title="Special:Contributions/Theanphibian">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z-'Mom'_restaurants?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z-'Mom'_restaurants?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z-'Mom'_restaurants?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TomorrowTime-2007-09-23T08:39:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z"></span>You mean the tiny family-run places? I would say the level of familiarity you describe depends on the person that runs the place, more than anything. (Also, allow me to correct you - it's not いらっしゃいません, it's いらっしゃいませ :) On a side note, I would find it more than strange if I walked into a restaurant for the first time ever, and the staff welcomed me with お帰りなさい... <a href="/wiki/User:TomorrowTime" title="User:TomorrowTime">TomorrowTime</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TomorrowTime-2007-09-23T08:39:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TomorrowTime-2007-09-23T08:39:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TomorrowTime-2007-09-23T08:39:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-22T21:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copyright_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_help-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_help-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z"></span>Copyright help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_help-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z-Copyright_help"></span>Is this image: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/pix/2005/43648.htm">[12]</a> valid to add to the <a href="/wiki/Nobutaka_Machimura" title="Nobutaka Machimura">Nobutaka Machimura</a> article, or does the AP/World Wide Photo note undo the PD status of the picture? -<a href="/wiki/User:Theanphibian" title="User:Theanphibian">Theanphibian</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theanphibian" title="User talk:Theanphibian">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Theanphibian" title="Special:Contributions/Theanphibian">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z-Copyright_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z-Copyright_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z-Copyright_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z"></span>I take it the photo is provided fair use ... it is apparently credited. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T14:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T16:16:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I'm still not sure one way or another for that one. But I did find others, so look at his article. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theanphibian" title="User:Theanphibian">Theanphibian</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theanphibian" title="User talk:Theanphibian">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Theanphibian" title="Special:Contributions/Theanphibian">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T16:16:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T16:16:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theanphibian-2007-09-23T16:16:00.000Z-Aphaia-2007-09-23T14:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party" data-mw-thread-id="h-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party-2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party-2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z"></span>Improving <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox Japanese Political Party (page does not exist)">Template:Infobox Japanese Political Party</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party-2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonte---2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party"></span>We should really try and improve the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox Japanese Political Party (page does not exist)">Template:Infobox Japanese Political Party</a>, first of all there needs to be an option for defunct parties and also make so that not the whole template appers even if you have not filled in some parameters. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jonte--" title="User:Jonte--">Jonte--</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Jonte---2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonte---2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonte---2007-09-23T15:25:00.000Z-Improving_Template:Infobox_Japanese_Political_Party"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hepburn_romanization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hepburn_romanization-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hepburn_romanization-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Hepburn_romanization" title="Hepburn romanization">Hepburn romanization</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hepburn_romanization-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization"></span>I just realized that this article is not tagged as part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JPN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JPN">WP:JPN</a>, and additionally, is completely unreferenced. Just thought you'd like to know. <a href="/wiki/User:Bradford44" title="User:Bradford44">Bradford44</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-23T22:43:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. I put a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Japan" title="Template:WikiProject Japan">WikiProject Japan</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template on it for starters. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-23T22:43:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-23T22:43:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-23T22:43:00.000Z-Bradford44-2007-09-23T22:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization"></span>While we're talking about Hepburn romanization, I've been wondering what the protocol is on "ou" combinations that are not necessarily long vowels, such as when the vowels are part of different kanji. <a href="/wiki/%C5%8Cchi,_Saga" title="Ōchi, Saga">Ōchi, Saga</a> is a good example. The kanji is 相知. Should it be Ōchi or Ouchi? <a href="/wiki/User:BilabialBoxing" title="User:BilabialBoxing">BilabialBoxing</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z"></span>We discussed that extensively at <a href="/wiki/Talk:%C5%8Cme,_Tokyo" title="Talk:Ōme, Tokyo">Talk:Ōme, Tokyo</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(Japan-related_articles)/misc5#How_should_Wikipedia_write_青梅_(おうめ)?_More_broadly,_how_should_WP_handle_vowels_in_adjacent_kanji?" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/misc5">Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/misc5#How should Wikipedia write 青梅　(おうめ)? More broadly, how should WP handle vowels in adjacent kanji?</a>. I think there was consensus for this: When the "o" and the "u" arise from different kanji, or okurigana, use "ou" or "uu" instead of macrons.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>So Ōita and Kyūshū get macrons since the double vowels are, in each case, in individual kanji. <a href="/wiki/Hiroo_Station" title="Hiroo Station">Hiroo Station</a> gets a double <i>o</i> since there are two kanji involved. <a href="/wiki/Shimousa_Province" class="mw-redirect" title="Shimousa Province">Shimousa Province</a> gets an <i>o-u</i> because the first kanji contributes the <i>shimo</i> and the <i>usa</i> comes from the second. In Ōchi, 知 is a regular reading for "chi" and the only place for the rest to come from is the single kanji 相. So I'd agree to the macron here. <a href="/wiki/%C5%8Cme,_Tokyo" title="Ōme, Tokyo">Ōme, Tokyo</a> is an irregular reading of the pair of kanji. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T07:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T08:44:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z"></span>Okay, great. I agree. An actually I thought that the okurigana for Ōchi was different, which is why I asked the question in the first place. But good to know! However, while those backlogged discussions are fascinating and helpful, I can't seem to find any mention of this stuff (true long vowels versus "long vowels" made by separate kanji) on the MOS or the Hepburn page. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place? <a href="/wiki/User:BilabialBoxing" title="User:BilabialBoxing">BilabialBoxing</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T08:44:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T08:44:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-26T08:44:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-26T07:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Municipality-related_MoS_additions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Municipality-related_MoS_additions-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Municipality-related_MoS_additions-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span>Municipality-related MoS additions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Municipality-related_MoS_additions-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span>Hello all. I've been working on cleaning up municipality articles, and after discussing some points of style with other users I added some passages to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS-JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS-JA">WP:MOS-JA</a> and to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Districts_and_municipalites" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Districts and municipalites">WPJ Districts and municipalities</a>. The items specifically cover: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS-JA#Suffixes" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS-JA">Municipality suffixes</a> like "City", "Town", etc.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS-JA#Addresses" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS-JA">Japanese addresses</a> and their proper <a href="/wiki/Romaji" class="mw-redirect" title="Romaji">romaji</a> notation</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Districts_and_municipalites#Geodata" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Districts and municipalites">Geodata</a> best practices</li></ul> <p>Comments, suggestions, corrections, etc. are of course welcome. -<a href="/wiki/User:Amake" title="User:Amake">Amake</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-24T02:49:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span>Hi Amake, I'm all in favor of the municipality suffix provisions. I would add one more: "Island." One of my pet peeves is the expression "Honshu Island" (and the same for Hokkaido, Kyushu, and Shikoku); "the island of Honshu" sounds much more natural. By analogy, it sounds very awkward to write that London is on Great Britain Island, or that Dublin is on Ireland Island. The same form can be used for smaller islands as well: Okinawa, Sado, Iki, and Tsushima come to mind. (But I would not change the title of <a href="/wiki/Okinawa_Island" title="Okinawa Island">Okinawa Island</a>.) Opinions? <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-24T02:49:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-24T02:49:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-24T02:49:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-24T05:06:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span>Cheers to these additions. We've needed them for a long time. <a href="/wiki/User:BilabialBoxing" title="User:BilabialBoxing">BilabialBoxing</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-24T05:06:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-24T05:06:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilabialBoxing-2007-09-24T05:06:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-24T05:46:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for adding those. I used to live in an Ōaza area. (^_^) ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-24T05:46:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-24T05:46:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-24T05:46:00.000Z-Amake-2007-09-24T02:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:31:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span>I added a note on Tokyo City that it should be an exception. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:31:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:31:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:31:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:38:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span>This language on address needs a clarification:</dd></dl> <ul><li>Include, but do not translate, suffixes such as -ken, -shi, -chō, -gun.</li></ul> <p>So this means we use Hokkai-do as opposed to Hokkaido? Also, how should a post code be put? After the address or before? </p><p>By the way, this is a right call, I think; we definitely need some standardization on this sort of matter. -- <a href="/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata" title="User:TakuyaMurata">Taku</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:38:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:38:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakuyaMurata-2007-10-01T21:38:00.000Z-Municipality-related_MoS_additions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Names_of_elections" data-mw-thread-id="h-Names_of_elections-2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Names_of_elections-2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span>Names of elections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Names_of_elections-2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z-Names_of_elections"></span>I have a question about naming local elections in Japan. Until now I have been naming election as "City local election, year" but I feel this format is not very good. I've been thinking about "City municipal election, year" instead. Do you have any other suggestions? Example: <a href="/wiki/Inagi_local_election,_2007" class="mw-redirect" title="Inagi local election, 2007">Inagi local election, 2007</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Jonte--" title="User:Jonte--">Jonte--</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z-Names_of_elections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z-Names_of_elections"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z-Names_of_elections"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span>The only suggestion I have is to put the year at the beginning in order to avoid a comma in the title: <a href="/wiki/2007_Inagi_local_election" title="2007 Inagi local election">2007 Inagi local election</a>. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:green;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z"></span>How about <a href="/w/index.php?title=2007_Inagi_election&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2007 Inagi election (page does not exist)">2007 Inagi election</a>? The body of the article describes it as local or something else; it may not have to be in the title. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2007-09-25T00:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonte---2007-09-25T08:13:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z"></span>Well, using a comma is a standard for elections on wikipedia, for example <a href="/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2006" class="mw-redirect" title="Swedish general election, 2006">Swedish general election, 2006</a>. The problem with only having <a href="/w/index.php?title=2007_Inagi_election&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2007 Inagi election (page does not exist)">2007 Inagi election</a> is that there are instances when prefectures and citys share the same name. Perhaps the easiest will be <a href="/w/index.php?title=Inagi_city_election,_2007&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Inagi city election, 2007 (page does not exist)">Inagi city election, 2007</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jonte--" title="User:Jonte--">Jonte--</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Jonte---2007-09-25T08:13:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonte---2007-09-25T08:13:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonte---2007-09-25T08:13:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonte---2007-10-01T21:43:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span>So, I tried the <a href="/w/index.php?title=City_city_election,_year&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="City city election, year (page does not exist)">City city election, year</a> as seen in <a href="/wiki/Higashi%C5%8Dsaka_city_election,_2007" class="mw-redirect" title="Higashiōsaka city election, 2007">Higashiōsaka city election, 2007</a>, perhaps even adding <i>city assembly</i> would do it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jonte--" title="User:Jonte--">Jonte--</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Jonte---2007-10-01T21:43:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonte---2007-10-01T21:43:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonte---2007-10-01T21:43:00.000Z-Jonte---2007-09-24T18:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Free-Will_and_related_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Free-Will_and_related_articles-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Free-Will_and_related_articles-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Free-Will" title="Free-Will">Free-Will</a> and related articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Free-Will_and_related_articles-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Free-Will" title="Free-Will"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z-Free-Will_and_related_articles"></span>Free-Will</a> has allegedly been involved in legal trouble. There have been no convictions reported. Current consensous is to keep the information brief, and base it off the English resources that everyone can read, as the information will continue to change. One user feels the information should be put in full detail, on every band page for the company (for a total of 9 articles all about this news item). The argument is less about it's inclusion on Free-Will, and more about the accompanying band pages, which one user is for, and at least 3 users are against. Further input would be appreciated. Effected pages are: <a href="/wiki/Kagerou_(band)" title="Kagerou (band)">Kagerou (band)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kannivalism" title="Kannivalism">Kannivalism</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Gazette_(band)" title="The Gazette (band)">The Gazette (band)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Baroque_(band)" title="Baroque (band)">Baroque (band)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kagrra" class="mw-redirect" title="Kagrra">Kagrra</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dir_en_grey" class="mw-redirect" title="Dir en grey">Dir en grey</a>, <a href="/wiki/Alice_Nine" title="Alice Nine">Alice Nine‎</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Miyavi" title="Miyavi">Miyavi</a>. There may be more pages involved that I am missing. <a href="/wiki/User:Denaar" title="User:Denaar">Denaar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z-Free-Will_and_related_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z-Free-Will_and_related_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z-Free-Will_and_related_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z"></span>Some legal cases merit separate articles. Is this one significant enough? <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z-Denaar-2007-09-25T01:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Denaar-2007-09-25T02:02:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z"></span>None of the news reports have enough information to write a full article yet. It's basically two paragraphs right now. The Nikkei Weekly posted the story in Japanese, but didn't translate the story into English, even though they have an English version of their site. I'm also not sure how widespread the coverage has been, it seems it was all reported on one day (when the story broke) without follow up. I'm not knowledgeable about the guidelines for article inclusion of News Stories in WP, but someone else is free to check it out. (Info is on the FW page). <a href="/wiki/User:Denaar" title="User:Denaar">Denaar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Denaar-2007-09-25T02:02:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Denaar-2007-09-25T02:02:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Denaar-2007-09-25T02:02:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-25T01:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span>Need help on <a href="/wiki/Eisei_Amamoto" class="mw-redirect" title="Eisei Amamoto">Eisei Amamoto</a> article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article"></span>I moved <a href="/wiki/Eisei_Amamoto" class="mw-redirect" title="Eisei Amamoto">Eisei Amamoto</a> to Hideyo Amamoto because that is his real name, but it was swiftly moved back to Eisei Amamoto and I think Eisei is inaccurate. I am really not happy with this move. On the Japanese wikipedia website at <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A9%E6%9C%AC%E8%8B%B1%E4%B8%96" class="extiw" title="ja:天本英世">ja:天本英世</a>, his name is read as Hideyo Amamoto, so I feel that it is necessary to move it back there. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Sjones23" title="User:Sjones23">Greg</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjones23" title="User talk:Sjones23">Jones</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sjones23/Wikipedia_contributions" title="User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions">II</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z-Need_help_on_Eisei_Amamoto_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amake-2007-09-26T00:21:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span>The ja: article says he used Eisei Amamoto as his stage name for a while. What's the policy on stage name vs. real name for celebrities? I see, for example, that Cher (the only example I could think of off the top of my head) is located at <a href="/wiki/Cher" title="Cher">Cher</a> but the article begins with her real name. -<a href="/wiki/User:Amake" title="User:Amake">Amake</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Amake-2007-09-26T00:21:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amake-2007-09-26T00:21:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amake-2007-09-26T00:21:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span>I'd say leave it at <a href="/wiki/Eisei_Amamoto" class="mw-redirect" title="Eisei Amamoto">Eisei Amamoto</a>, per Amkae's comments re: Cher. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Exitmoose" title="User:Exitmoose">Exitmoose</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z-Sjones23-2007-09-25T21:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sjones23-2007-09-26T01:29:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z"></span>I agree. <a href="/wiki/User:Sjones23" title="User:Sjones23">Greg</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjones23" title="User talk:Sjones23">Jones</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sjones23/Wikipedia_contributions" title="User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions">II</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Sjones23-2007-09-26T01:29:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sjones23-2007-09-26T01:29:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sjones23-2007-09-26T01:29:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T00:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Yasuo_Fukuda" title="Yasuo Fukuda">Yasuo Fukuda</a> needs work<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work"></span>The article for <a href="/wiki/Yasuo_Fukuda" title="Yasuo Fukuda">Yasuo Fukuda</a>, the new prime minster of Japan is in need of some serious work to bring it up to the standards expected of an article about a serving head of government. Most needed at the moment is a free (no fair use) image of him. The lead also needs to be expanded. Any other help that could be given would be well appreciated. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Exitmoose" title="User:Exitmoose">Exitmoose</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T07:09:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T08:57:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work"></span>Also, I've been trying to flesh out the articles on each minister of state. I'm having trouble finding exactly how many times they were elected and whether they've switched seats, who their predecessors are, etc. All of the following are ministers of state for this cabinet: <a href="/wiki/Masahiko_K%C5%8Dmura" title="Masahiko Kōmura">Masahiko Kōmura</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kunio_Hatoyama" title="Kunio Hatoyama">Kunio Hatoyama</a>, <a href="/wiki/Akira_Amari" title="Akira Amari">Akira Amari</a>, <a href="/wiki/Y%C5%8Dichi_Masuzoe" title="Yōichi Masuzoe">Yōichi Masuzoe</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fukushiro_Nukaga" title="Fukushiro Nukaga">Fukushiro Nukaga</a>, <a href="/wiki/Shigeru_Ishiba" title="Shigeru Ishiba">Shigeru Ishiba</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ichiro_Kamoshita" class="mw-redirect" title="Ichiro Kamoshita">Ichiro Kamoshita</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tetsuzo_Fuyushiba" title="Tetsuzo Fuyushiba">Tetsuzo Fuyushiba</a>, <a href="/wiki/Masatoshi_Wakabayashi" title="Masatoshi Wakabayashi">Masatoshi Wakabayashi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kisabur%C5%8D_Tokai" class="mw-redirect" title="Kisaburō Tokai">Kisaburō Tokai</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hiroya_Masuda" title="Hiroya Masuda">Hiroya Masuda</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Nobutaka_Machimura" title="Nobutaka Machimura">Nobutaka Machimura</a> amongst a few others. Please fact check and expand these articles if you're looking for something to work on. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Exitmoose" title="User:Exitmoose">Exitmoose</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T08:57:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T08:57:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-26T08:57:00.000Z-Yasuo_Fukuda_needs_work"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z"><span id="Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi.2C_Shinzo_Abe.2C_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z"></span>Tablework in <a href="/wiki/Junichiro_Koizumi" title="Junichiro Koizumi">Junichiro Koizumi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Shinzo_Abe" title="Shinzo Abe">Shinzo Abe</a>, <a href="/wiki/Yasuo_Fukuda" title="Yasuo Fukuda">Yasuo Fukuda</a> articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles"></span>These articles each have a table listing cabinet members over the course of their respective terms. I think they add a good deal to the article, but the font is too big and the tables are a bit obtrusive. Does anyone know enough about wikitables to be able to shrink the font down a bit, as in <a href="/wiki/Yoshiro_Mori" class="mw-redirect" title="Yoshiro Mori">Yoshiro Mori</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Exitmoose" title="User:Exitmoose">Exitmoose</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z-Tablework_in_Junichiro_Koizumi,_Shinzo_Abe,_Yasuo_Fukuda_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2007-09-29T11:46:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z"></span>You can change the first line in the table to <b>class="wikitable" style="font-size: 80%;" </b> to achieve the font reduction. <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Neier-2007-09-29T11:46:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2007-09-29T11:46:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2007-09-29T11:46:00.000Z-Exitmoose-2007-09-29T02:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Japanese_Fascists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Japanese_Fascists-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Japanese_Fascists-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z"></span>Category:Japanese Fascists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Japanese_Fascists-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_Fascists"></span>As "the use of the term fascism in relation to Japan is contentious and disputed" (quoted from <a href="/wiki/Japanese_fascism" class="mw-redirect" title="Japanese fascism">Japanese fascism</a>), I don't think it's necessarily appropriate to label any and every Japanese involved in the government or military at the time - even the most high-up officials - a "fascist". </p><p>I think this is an important thing for us to get a handle on, and to establish standards or guidelines about. Please offer your thoughts on the matter at <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Japanese_fascists" title="Category talk:Japanese fascists">Category talk:Japanese fascists</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:LordAmeth" title="User:LordAmeth">LordAmeth</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_Fascists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_Fascists"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_Fascists"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z"></span>I agree completely. There are certain specific members of the pre-war Japanese government and military who promoted European-style fascism, or attempted to create a similar system modified for use in Japan. However, it appears that the <a href="/wiki/Category:Japanese_fascists" title="Category:Japanese fascists">Category:Japanese fascists</a> is being misused recently by certain editors as a POV forum to label warime or prewar biographies of Japanese indiscriminately. Use of the category should be supported by evidence in the article in question, and misuse should be construed as vandalism and reverted. --<a href="/wiki/User:MChew" title="User:MChew">MChew</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-29T03:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Smith's-2007-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z"></span>Definitely agree. The category should be used sparingly. <a href="/wiki/User:John_Smith%27s" title="User:John Smith's">John Smith's</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-John_Smith's-2007-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Smith's-2007-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Smith's-2007-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-MChew-2007-09-29T03:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Miyamoto_Iori" data-mw-thread-id="h-Miyamoto_Iori-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Miyamoto_Iori-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z"></span>Miyamoto Iori<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Miyamoto_Iori-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori"></span>I've taken <a href="/wiki/Miyamoto_Iori" title="Miyamoto Iori">Miyamoto Iori</a>, which had had a cleanup tag on it for nearly a year, and pared it down from what seemed to be possibly apocryphal tales to a two-line stub. Can anyone find anything worth keeping among the material I deleted? <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z"></span>I don't really know anything about the subject, and so I cannot unfortunately add anything of true historical fact to the article. Still, that said, I would suggest trying to recoup any/all of the deleted content and representing it as the legend and myth it is. Just because a story isn't true doesn't mean that the story itself is not a worthwhile historical/cultural/literary topic of interest. Do we have any solid reputable sources that describe these stories, their origins, and/or development? <a href="/wiki/User:LordAmeth" title="User:LordAmeth">LordAmeth</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-09-30T04:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2007-09-30T21:18:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z"></span>It might be myth or it might even be true. I'm just not sure it's encyclopedic. Looking at the Japanese Wikipedia, I suspect the story might have come from <i>Niten-ki.</i> If anyone has access to that work, they might be able to confirm that the story is either true or an authentic legend. And then maybe it would belong in Wikisource or another related project. But these are just musings. If other people have different opinions, I'm open to other ways of dealing with this. <a href="/wiki/George_Washington" title="George Washington">George Washington</a> does mention the cherry tree... . <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Fg2-2007-09-30T21:18:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2007-09-30T21:18:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2007-09-30T21:18:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2007-09-30T12:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aphaia-2007-10-01T05:38:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori"></span>I prefer Fg2's suggested approach, George Washington alike. We should make a new section, separated description from the historical existence, so "Iori adopted in fictional works" ... As Japanese Wikipedia states, the contemporary researches determine Iori as a nephew of Musashi. It is so described in the genealogy their decendants have heired (小倉宮本家系図) and match activities of Iori himself.</dd> <dd>In other words, the historical correctness of <i>Niten-ki</i> is today dubious. It was written one hundred ago after his death, and the author had no actual relation to Musashi or his successors (they served different domains) and thus no access to contemporary documents.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Aphaia" title="User:Aphaia">Aphaia</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007#c-Aphaia-2007-10-01T05:38:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aphaia-2007-10-01T05:38:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aphaia-2007-10-01T05:38:00.000Z-Miyamoto_Iori"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007&oldid=1238781471">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007&oldid=1238781471</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_Japan-related_articles" title="Category:Project-Class Japan-related articles">Project-Class Japan-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Japan-related_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Japan-related articles">NA-importance Japan-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Japan_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Japan articles">WikiProject Japan articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Japan-related_articles_by_quality" title="Category:Japan-related articles by quality">Japan-related articles by quality</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Articles_by_quality_statistics" title="Category:WikiProject Articles by quality statistics">WikiProject Articles by quality statistics</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Archive_pages_whose_parent_page_is_a_redirect" title="Category:Archive pages whose parent page is a redirect">Archive pages whose parent page is a redirect</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 5 August 2024, at 17:10<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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