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It was published on <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/">guardian.co.uk</a> at <time datetime="2012-02-26T00:00GMT" pubdate>00.04 GMT on Sunday 26 February 2012</time>. It was last modified at <time datetime="2012-02-26T00:11GMT">00.11 GMT on Sunday 26 February 2012</time>. </div> </div> </div> </li> </ul> <div id="article-wrapper"> <div id="main-content-picture"> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/2/23/1330003726690/Prospect-Cottage-001.jpg" title="View larger picture" id="show-big-picture-link" class="mask"> <img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/2/23/1330003737641/Prospect-Cottage-008.jpg" width="460" height="276" alt="Prospect Cottage"/> <img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/static/5e8a33fc00d9d9e6d2e5ca71dd905bae18283811/common/images/magnifying-glass-mask.png" alt="View larger picture" height="83" width="83" class="mask"/> </a> <div class="caption">Ready for take-off: an impression of what the future could hold for Dungeness and Derek Jarman’s Prospect Cottage if plans go ahead to expand Lydd Airport. Photograph: Roger Bamber/Alamy</div> </div> <div id="article-body-blocks"> <p>Few places in England are more haunting than the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/kent" title="More from guardian.co.uk on Kent">Kent</a> marshes. They are a desolate, liminal place where land melts into sea and history floats on geography: a place where smugglers lurked, where Spitfires once swirled like starlings. Here, buttressing the marshes where Dickens had Magwitch confront Pip, and where Derek Jarman lived in his famous poppy-strewn retreat, Prospect Cottage, lies the peninsula of Dungeness, England's last line of defence against the Channel – a unique, denuded moonscape.</p><p>For naturalists, this corner of England has assumed totemic importance. The peninsula's lichen-rich waves of shingle offer sanctuary to an internationally important variety of wildlife. Newts, leeches, butterflies and bees are common; the abundant birdlife includes Bewick's and mute swans, bitterns and shovelers; the area is home to rare species of leafhopper and grass-fly, and is the only place in Britain inhabited by the Sussex emerald moth.</p><p>Its rich biodiversity is recognised in a bewildering array of perfunctory but significant initials. The peninsula is a National Nature Reserve (NNR) and a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI). Parts are also protected under European law as a Special Protection Area (SPA) and Special Area of Conservation (SAC). Conservationists see this environmental ring-fencing as immutable. But not every- one agrees.</p><p>Next month, after years of wrangling, the government will have to decide whether it backs plans to transform the region's tiny airport, a few minutes' drive from the small marshes town of Lydd, into a major aviation gateway that will fly millions of passengers a year overseas on budget airlines. And its decision will have ramifications throughout the south-east, where the exponential rise in air traffic has made the issue of airport expansion – not to mention the creation of the "Boris Island" airport proposed for the Thames Estuary – increasingly contentious.</p><p>Supporters say the redevelopment of the airport will bring prosperity to a region that is stagnating. "There are no jobs here for our children," one shopkeeper in the town tells me. "This place is slowly dying. It's one of the poorest places in the south-east, and young people are moving out. We need the airport to put this place back on the map."</p><p>To him and others who support the project, the airport's owner, a billionaire Saudi sheikh called Fahad Bin Saleh Mohammed al-Athel, is an exotic entrepreneur who can transform the marshes' sinking fortunes. And they believe they have the government on their side. Chancellor George Osborne captured the mood last November when he attacked the "gold-plating of EU rules on things like habitats" for stifling business interests.</p><p>Now the growing fear among environmental groups is that the current economic turbulence will be used as a justification for sending the concrete mixers into some of the country's most heavily protected areas. The decision whether to approve Lydd's expansion will reveal whether this fear is justified. "What happens at Lydd will determine how prepared we are to look after the best bits of the British countryside," says André Farrar of the RSPB. "Dungeness is probably the most heavily designated place in Europe. The stakes couldn't be any higher."</p> <span class="inline"> <img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/2/23/1330005166404/Jimi-Hendrix-001.jpg" alt="Jimi Hendrix" width="220" height="220"/> </a> <span class="caption" style="width: 220px;"> Jimi Hendrix boarding a plane at Lydd Airport in 1968 Photograph: Keystone-France/Getty Images </span> </span> <p>Currently Lydd Airport is little more than a landing strip used by the odd executive jet to ferry fewer than 1,000 passengers a year abroad. But half a century ago it brought glamour to the marshes. The first airport to be finished after the war, Lydd Ferryfield, as it was then called, flew motorists and their vehicles to Le Touquet in France. Film stars such as Diana Dors, Gregory Peck and Humphrey Bogart used Lydd, and the royals gave it their imprimatur with an official visit.</p><p>It was the development of cross-Channel ferries, the rise of rival airports like Heathrow and Gatwick, and more recently the Channel Tunnel, that did for Lydd's ambitions and proved runway hubris is not confined to modernity. Today the airport cuts a forlorn image, resembling a military landing strip attended by a squat, white-washed terminal that looks as if it would be better deployed framing a checkpoint in a demilitarised zone.</p><p>Sheikh Fahad al-Athel's London Ashford Airport (LAA) Ltd wants to bring back the glory days with a gleaming glass-and-steel passenger terminal. Planning documents submitted by LAA show the company hopes to expand the airport's capacity to 500,000 passengers a year and then, ultimately, 2m. The runway would be extended by 300m so that it can be used commercially by larger jets; the company's website adds: "Any destination within a 1,000-nautical-mile radius will be possible."</p><p>The scheme's supporters, who include the local Tory MP, Damian Collins, say this would relieve pressure on Gatwick and other south-eastern airports. But many locals, horrified that the tranquillity of their historic town, which boasts buildings half a millennium old, is threatened, have mobilised in opposition. A referendum found 66% of the local population are against the airport's expansion.</p> <span class="inline"> <img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/2/23/1330004899551/Lydd-Airport-001.jpg" alt="Lydd Airport" width="220" height="220"/> </a> <span class="caption" style="width: 220px;"> Lydd Airport. Photograph: Jeff Gilbert/Alamy </span> </span> <p>Shepway District Council, which was initially responsible for granting approval, held a series of public inquiry sessions. The No camp, which gave itself the name Lydd Airport Action Group, argued that the council was required under European law to consider the impact on the surrounding wildlife. The airport's owner was obliged to present a scientific case, in conjunction with other interested bodies such as the RSPB and the government's advisory body, Natural England. If this "appropriate assessment" found the airport would have a negative impact on the protected sites, or even if its owner was unable to demonstrate that it would not have an adverse effect, the expansion could not go ahead.</p><p>The council commissioned an environmental consultancy, Bureau Veritas, to undertake the assessment. Written by an ecologist named Kevin Webb, the assessment heavily influenced the council's planning officer when, in July 2009, he recommended that the council reject the application.</p><p>Then something curious happened. Following representations from the airport, Bureau Veritas was asked to review its report. A second assessment, also written by Webb, insisted the airport's owners could not prove the Special Protection Area (SPA) would be left unscathed if the expansion went ahead. On 19 February 2010, guided by the second assessment, the planning officer again recommended a refusal.</p><p>Twelve days later, following a full meeting, Shepway District Council approved the expansion of Lydd Airport.</p><p></p><p>According to government estimates, the number of passenger journeys from UK airports is forecast to rise from 211 million in 2010 to 335m in 2030, and then to 470m by 2050, and the south-east will bear most of the increase. The region's airports are already anticipating this growth. Manston airport near Margate has applied to run night flights. This April, easyJet will start operating services at Southend, a key step in the Essex airport's plan to be flying 2 million passengers a year by 2020.</p> <span class="inline wide"> <img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/2/23/1330005716593/Airports-001.jpg" alt="Airports" width="460" height="322"/> </a> <span class="caption" style="width: 460px;"> Up, up and away: a map showing the number of passengers who flew out of the south‑east last year </span> </span> <p>This is consistent with the claims made in the 2003 <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/air-transport" title="More from guardian.co.uk on Air transport">Air Transport</a> White Paper, which influences existing policy, "to make the best possible use of the existing runways at the major south-east airports". The mass influx of people flying in to watch the Olympics this year has strengthened arguments for the development of airports across the south-east, especially as expansion at the region's established airports has been limited. Plans for a third runway at Heathrow were scrapped when the coalition came to power in 2010 as prime minister David Cameron sought to establish his green credentials; airport operator BAA withdrew its application for a second runway at Stansted in the same year, and expansion at Gatwick has been ruled out until 2019.</p><p>Fears that there is now a looming shortage of runways in the south-east have prompted both London mayor Boris Johnson and architect Lord Foster to push separate but similar plans to build a major new airport in the Thames Estuary. As with Lydd, campaigners argue that the site of "Boris Island" is an important breeding ground for birds such as avocets and marsh harriers. Friends of the Earth warns that the airport "would have a devastating impact on local communities and the environment".</p><p>If the government is correct and people will fly more, not less, in the future, the politically explosive question is how this can be reconciled with the UK's commitments to reduce carbon emissions. But those opposing airport development question whether the claims made for expansion are valid, given that Stansted, which sought a second runway, is currently operating below capacity. The 211 million passengers who passed through the UK's airports last year are considerably fewer than the 2007 peak of 240 million. Sarah Clayton, of campaign group Airport Watch, points out that aviation fuel currently costs around $130 a barrel, 16% more than a year ago, and in the long run it will only rise. With a price of $150 a barrel, passenger numbers start to fall significantly, according to economic modelling. And as oil becomes ever more scarce, prices could increase dramatically – a major threat to smaller airports predicated on a budget-airline model. "Yes, there's lots of oil left, but it's hard to extract without using an awful lot of energy," says Clayton.</p><p>Smaller airports like Lydd and Manston are already loss-making. And Lydd, with its winding country lanes some 15 miles from the Eurostar terminal at Ashford International, is not an easy place to reach, throwing into question whether it would attract sufficient numbers of passengers. Peter Hobbs, chief executive of Kent Channel Chamber of Commerce, enthuses that in Sheikh Fahad al-Athel, Lydd has a "very positive and vibrant investor" ready to risk his own money to develop the airport. "The airport would act as a catalyst for attracting better roads," Hobbs insists. A railway line between Ashford and Lydd, axed as part of Dr Beeching's wholesale network cuts, could, he says, be reopened.</p><p>Hobbs suggests the region's tourism industry would improve while the airport, surrounded by wide open spaces that are easy to build on, could become an important hi-tech hub for aviation-servicing companies. "The argument comes down to whether there's a future here for the next generation," Hobbs says. "What is going to happen to the marshes? Do we want them to be flourishing, with better jobs and better services? If there's no work, the place will simply become a habitat for birds."</p><p>Clayton disagrees. "Everyone talks about the jobs airports create, but every airline is trying to cut jobs," she says. "They are doing everything possible to limit human interaction. And the sort of jobs expansion creates – things like baggage handling – are hardly careers."</p><p>In its submission to the inquiry, the Lydd Airport Action Group also expressed scepticism at claims made for job creation: "Even if LAA achieves a throughput of 500,000 people per annum it will remain loss-making and only generate 200 to 210 gross jobs by 2024/2028." The opening of a new Sainsbury's in the area a couple of years ago created 300 jobs.</p><p></p> <span class="inline wide"> <img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/2/23/1330004403114/St-Thomas-a-Becket-Church-008.jpg" alt="St Thomas a Becket Church" width="460" height="276"/> </a> <span class="caption" style="width: 460px;"> The isolated St Thomas a Becket Church in the middle of Romney Marsh. Photograph: Maurice Crooks/Alamy </span> </span> <p>Talk to most people about Dungeness – "the Ness" to locals – and their first reference is usually to its nuclear power stations, two concrete leviathans located less than three miles from the airport, stoically facing the English Channel like Easter Island statues. Prosaically named A, one of the power stations is being decommissioned while the other, B, is due to close in six years' time.</p><p>No one is sure of the risks associated with siting a major airport next to a nuclear power station in a region rich in birdlife. The modelling used to evaluate the probability of an air crash is flawed, according to nuclear-safety campaigners, who warn that the heightened chance of bird strike in the area could trigger a chain of events leading to an accident at the power stations. LAA declines to reveal whether it has employed specialists to assess the risk. In its submission, Lydd Airport Action Group, headed by Louise Barton, a former analyst for a major investment bank, claimed the expansion could lead to safety compromises as a result of "tensions between an airport operator needing to control birds and organisations wishing to preserve birds".</p><p>Barton, who has lived near Lydd since 1994, admits she is a nimby, horrified that "one of the most peaceful places in England" is under threat. "They call it the fifth continent down here," she says. "It's not a particularly beautiful place in the classical sense. It's a place that grows on you. It's flat and has big skies."</p><p>A series of freedom of information requests lodged by Barton revealed that text in the environmental reports had been changed by the council, which lawfully "cherry-picked" evidence in order to produce a positive assessment. It also revealed that on the eve of the vote, the council had chosen not to circulate a letter from Natural England criticising LAA's legal arguments and concluding that "the application should be refused". A spokeswoman for Shepway District Council explains that the council does not circulate copies of late planning representations to councillors, but insisted the letter's contents were reported verbally to councillors. "A draft appropriate assessment was carried out by our ecological advisers and also a shadow appropriate assessment by the ecological advisers to the airport," she says. "In many areas there was agreement among the ecological advisers, but in some areas the advice was different. Having considered all issues at length, the council made a positive appropriate assessment combining assessments from both sets of advisers. The council took legal advice that this was an acceptable course of action."</p><p>The Lydd Airport Action Group cried fix. Webb, the ecologist who had written the reports opposing the application, was also dismayed. In an email to Barton, he declared: "I am happy to appear as a witness… I would like the opportunity to state publicly that I believe the development if allowed to proceed would have a detrimental effect."</p><p>Amid the ensuing furore, Natural England referred the decision up the chain to central government. A recommendation is expected to find its way to the in-tray of Eric Pickles, the communities secretary, who has the final say on contentious planning issues, within a fortnight.</p><p>If Pickles approves the airport's expansion he will be going against the government's adviser, Natural England, Shepway's planning officers, the majority of Lydd's residents, the scientific consensus on the need to reduce carbon emissions, the prime minister's perceived green credentials and the coalition's belief in empowering communities as enshrined in its much-vaunted localism act. But few will be surprised if he does. The government's controversial decision to press ahead with High Speed Two, the new London to the north railway line, has been welcomed by many pro-business groups but is seen by conservationists as a portent of things to come.</p><p>Barton and the Lydd Airport Action Group have vowed to fight on in the courts if the decision goes against them and ignores European habitat laws. They claim the battle is about more than nuclear safety, overcrowded skies, carbon footprints and preserving wildlife.</p><p>"People believe there would be just a few more planes in the sky above Romney Marsh, but they don't have any conception of the impact it would have," Barton says. "The whole character of the place would change because, as studies show, airports lead to urbanisation."</p><p>If so, a unique landscape described by Dickens as a "dark, flat wilderness" would be lost for ever. 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I have many childhood memories running around the marches and beaches near there. <br>There seem to be so few untouched places left from my childhood, I hate to think of this being another to join the ever expanding list.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855090);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855090">30</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855090"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855090"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855090" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855116"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/FoxandDuck" title="User profile page">FoxandDuck</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 1:17AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Why no mention of the Isle of Sheppey?</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855116);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855116">4</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855116"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855116"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855116" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855235"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/09/02/cta_262190_19/91c9795e-097d-459c-b507-641c6d264c60/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/Ilovecheesetoo" title="User profile page">Ilovecheesetoo</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 1:32AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>We need airports so we can fly away on holiday... to places where they don't ruin the countryside by building huge numbers of airports, roads and houses.</p><p>def. Progress in the UK- a system whereby the means destroy the end</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855235);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855235">33</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855235"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855235"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855235" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855266"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/AirStavros" title="User profile page">AirStavros</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 1:37AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>The best place for another airport to serve the South East of England is Calais, in France. There's nothing and no-one there, it's as flat a a pancake, and you can be in London in 40 minutes. Better than Heathrow, Stansted or Gatwick. A join airport for Paris and London. Just do it.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855266);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855266">32</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855266"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855266"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855266" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855278"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/AirStavros" title="User profile page">AirStavros</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 1:39AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>CORRECTING MY MISTYPE:</p><p>The best place for another airport to serve the South East of England is Calais, in France. There's nothing and no-one there, it's as flat a a pancake, and you can be in London in 40 minutes. Better than Heathrow, Stansted or Gatwick. A joint airport for Paris and London. Just do it.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855278);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855278">14</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855278"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855278"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855278" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855427"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/HaroldHare" title="User profile page">HaroldHare</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:00AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Just a slight quibble: the marshes that Dickens wrote about were the North Kent ones in the Thames estuary. Romney Marsh is somewhere else entirely.</p><p>Otherwise I thoroughly agree with the article.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855427);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855427">45</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (1) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855427"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855427"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855427" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855458"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/Gelatelli" title="User profile page">Gelatelli</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:05AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>M25 con- centrics should catch www.sclews.me.uk/ns.html#u for an explication.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855458);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855458">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855458"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855458"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855458" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855487"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/Titusalone" title="User profile page">Titusalone</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:12AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>In all probability, the marshes influencing Dickens' description of Magwitch and Pip's first encounter in Great Expectations, are those on the south side of the Thames estuary, near the villages of Cliffe and Cooling; not the channel coast flats near Romney. </p><p>HaroldHare you beat me to it....</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855487);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855487">14</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855487"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855487"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855487" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855606"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/08/22/GreatGrandDad/80f4bd9d-fd14-472c-b84a-a941dbda71ae/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/GreatGrandDad" title="User profile page">GreatGrandDad</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:32AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p><i>....According to government estimates, the number of passenger journeys from UK airports is forecast to rise from 211 million in 2010 to 335m in 2030, and then to 470m by 2050....</i></p><p>The basis on which these estimates have been calculated needs to be examined closely.<br>If the population continues to be about 60 million, that 'estimate' would equate to about eight flights per year for every man, woman and child in forty years time. Nonsense.</p><p>I have before me a graph of the estimated usage of the remaining reserves of subsurface oil (i.e. the 'cheap' stuff that just requires collecting, refining and distributing). It is based on the<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html" rel="nofollow"> present known decline of the 800 largest fields</a> and shows production falling from 80Mb per day to 40 Mb per day over the next fifteen years to 2026 and then to 8 Mb per day by 2050.</p><p>Considering the competition for oil to keep agriculture and food supplies going, all forms of transport (other than cycling) are going to be squeezed mercilessly.</p><p>Passenger journeys from UK airports may well never again reach the levels of recent years, much less increase in number.<br>If Lydd Airport has any role, it will be just as a place where redundant aircraft are parked for scrapping.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855606);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855606">32</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (1) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855606"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855606"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855606" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855784"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/09/17/zorbathecelt/294ae5e5-faed-4a85-80f6-b684cc4c54ca/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/zorbathecelt" title="User profile page">zorbathecelt</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 3:21AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Ilovecheesetoo . Sorry every where I have been to that had incoming flights from any industrialized country, ends up trashed one way or another by tourism.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855784);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855784">8</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855784"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855784"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855784" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14855867"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/08/23/owaingr/66ad5540-fb6e-406d-8b28-dd3591cc88ac/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/owaingr" title="User profile page">owaingr</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 3:43AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <blockquote><p>an impression of what the future could hold for Dungeness and Derek Jarman’s Prospect Cottage if plans go ahead to expand Lydd Airport.</p></blockquote><p>Are you kidding me? An aeroplane and a cottage. That's terrible! Why not an aeroplane crashing into a cottage? Perhaps you could put a nuclear power station in the picture as well. Oh wait, there already is one of those.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14855867);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14855867">27</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14855867"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14855867"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855867" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14856005"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2011/06/30/UnevenSurface/68d1ea4a-c63a-40c4-9dec-b41ee1f1afa9/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/UnevenSurface" title="User profile page">UnevenSurface</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 4:33AM</p> </div> <div class="response-to"> Response to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855606">GreatGrandDad, 26 February 2012 2:32AM</a> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>As GreatGrandDad says, conventional oil is now in decline. Although it's really hard to pinpoint the exact date at which fuel prices will make 'budget' airlines a thing of the past, it is hard to believe that it could be <i>after</i> the date at which Lydd could be enlarged to the capacity outlined in this article. In other words, by the time it's ready, it would no longer be needed. The only jobs created would be those for its creation and then immediate scrapping.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856005);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856005">12</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (2) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856005"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856005"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856005" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14856234"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/ThomasGoodey" title="User profile page">ThomasGoodey</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 5:57AM</p> </div> <div class="response-to"> Response to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14855427">HaroldHare, 26 February 2012 2:00AM</a> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>It's not a slight quibble: the ridiculous headline to this article ensures that nobody with intelligence will accord any of the content the slightest weight. As HaroldHare points out, the marshes that Magwitch trod are in a completely different place, so the writer's attempt at showing off his literacy rather falls flat. Moreover Magwitch didn't actually exist and didn't really tread anywhere, so the argument is completely vacuous anyway.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856234);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856234">19</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856234"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856234"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to 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wreck the best bits of our environment so that we can, er, develop economically). </p><p>Twats.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856309);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856309">15</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856309"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856309"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile 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Lydd is a long long way from London, if Manston couldn't make it work, why on earth do they think Lydd can! The number of jobs it will provide if successful is minimal in an area where unemployment is high and even those with jobs can't afford to live here because of the lack of affordable homes. What is needed is a new power station which has far greater support from locals and will provide far more jobs. This proposal however has been dismissed by the government as unsafe. How exactly is building a big airport by a nuclear power station safe!</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856525);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856525">13</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856525"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856525"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856525" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14856557"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/paganus" title="User profile page">paganus</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 7:43AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Dungeness is under threat from many directions. We need some wild, undeveloped space in the south east!<br> "What is going to happen to the marshes? Do we want them to be flourishing, with better jobs and better services? If there's no work, the place will simply become a habitat for birds."<br>Why shouldn't there be a few places just for birds! As said elsewhere, the creation of jobs may well be a bit of a pipe dream anyway (Manston has always struggled to keep going, and appears to do little for local prosperity while annoying local people out of all proportion!)</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856557);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856557">11</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856557"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856557"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856557" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14856651"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/rubik101" title="User profile page">rubik101</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 8:00AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>It is almost certain that even with the expansion, Lydd will never develop the passenger numbers forecast by the owners/developers. Manston has tried and failed many times to attract passengers in greater numbers and has never had any success. I predict that there will be an extension to the runway built, a few flights for a few summers, then back to the state you have now. The owner will sell and Lydd will be quietly forgotten, hopefully!</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856651);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856651">3</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856651"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856651"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856651" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14856670"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/zendon" title="User profile page">zendon</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 8:03AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>I have flown a light aircraft in and out of Lydd over the last twenty years. Believe me, it doesn't matter how long that runway is, passenger services from that airport are doomed, and always will be. It's a Catch22 : it'll only work if there's a high speed road/rail link, but there's no point in putting the infrastructure in unless there's the passenger demand.Á</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14856670);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14856670">14</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14856670"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14856670"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856670" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857019"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/cynosarge" title="User profile page">cynosarge</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 8:46AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>The supposed journalist who wrote this article demonstrates an unfortunate inability to check his so-called facts within the article. Dickens' setting for Great Expectations was on the NORTH Kent marshes. Fail, Jamie Doward. Fail, Guardian sub-editors.</p><p>Doesn't anyone read the classic novels nowadays?</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857019);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857019">8</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857019"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857019"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857019" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857040"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/IKNOWNOTHING" title="User profile page">IKNOWNOTHING</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 8:48AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Whilst nostalgia, memories and pretty cottages are nice, they are not the prime reasons for objecting to this money-printing scheme from the Al Yamamah middleman, and I am glad that someone has mentioned the elephant in the room, <b>namely that building a major runway right next to a nuclear power station with two reactors is only a good idea if one lives a long way away, eg in Saudi Arabia.</b><br>It is worth noting at this point that, whilst the inquiry was underway, on the 23rd April of last year, a plane was forced to crash land barely two miles (100 seconds flying time) from Dungeness Nuclear Power Station. People from the airfield were along in record time, threw a tarp over it before hauling it away, and no more has been heard about it. It was never mentioned in the national press.</p><p>Peter Hobbs' disingenuous comments regarding "attracting" road development to the area witlessly underlines the fact that there is not the infrastructure in place to support this airport, with only one two lane road running into and out of the marsh, and a train line that has not been used for a century. The disruption to the area will not be confined to the noise of the jets or the building of the runway: it will be far more extensive than has been admitted by proponents of the "development." It will be, literally, devastating.</p><p>In addition, it is worth considering that Romney Marsh is what the name suggests: a marsh. It sits virtually at sea level. The idiocy of ploughing billions of pounds into infrastructure in such a place at a time of anticipated sea-level rises beggars belief.</p><p>The value of the City of London Airport rocketed as soon as the then owner was able to get permission to increase capacity, and it is this that Sheikh Fahad al-Athel is seeking to emulate. It is a cynical attempt to leverage value from an asset, without any regard for the consequences for the area or its inhabitants, be they people, animals or plants.</p><p>But the main objection has to be the idiotic proximity to the nuclear power station, especially given recent events in Japan. If we are to have these facilities then we cannot invite catastrophe by placing airports next to them. It is immensely stupid, unless you are Sheikh Fahad al-Athel, and stand to make a quick buck, or an idiot like Hobbs.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857040);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857040">26</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857040"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857040"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857040" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857134"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2011/01/03/timdiggles/5df462ae-273d-4134-bc95-611fb1e10cd5/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/timdiggles" title="User profile page">timdiggles</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 8:57AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Why not just add runways to Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead and Luton and leave areas like this alone? The road and rail links and other infrastructure are there already. Air travel is not progress but whatever we think and wish, airport expansion is going to happen in the next 50 years. How many reading this want cheap flights rather than pay the huge fares on international trains or take holidays in cool wet Britain?</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857134);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857134">5</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (2) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857134"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857134"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857134" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857303"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/Viridis" title="User profile page">Viridis</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 9:16AM</p> </div> <div class="response-to"> Response to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857134">timdiggles, 26 February 2012 8:57AM</a> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <blockquote><p>How many reading this want cheap flights rather than pay the huge fares on international trains or take holidays in cool wet Britain?</p></blockquote><p>Nothing wrong with holidays in Britain. Do you sell Watney's Red Barrel on the Algarve by any chance?</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857303);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857303">10</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857303"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857303"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857303" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857535"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/thomaspaine1" title="User profile page">thomaspaine1</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 9:40AM</p> </div> <div class="response-to"> Response to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856005">UnevenSurface, 26 February 2012 4:33AM</a> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>I think you may both be forgetting the bio fuel developments taking place. It won't replace all the current oil-based fuels, but it will enable planes to keep flying, probably at higher cost. I think we can all guess that the true cost will be land lost to food production.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857535);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857535">4</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (1) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857535"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857535"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857535" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857775"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/10/30/woodengravy/08307f46-ec41-4bd8-86d8-7284c50ac670/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/woodengravy" title="User profile page">woodengravy</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 9:59AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>London has been destroying Kent since the Industrial Revolution. The historic north western boundary of Kent is Deptford, now London SE8.</p><p>No mention was made in this article of Biggin Hill Airport, which is far closer to Romney Marsh than any of those airports which were mentioned. It is worth noting that Bromley Council have consistently refused requests to expand the same, thus preserving a small part of historic North West Kent from "London".</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857775);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857775">5</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857775"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857775"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857775" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14857971"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/joesdadnick" title="User profile page">joesdadnick</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 10:14AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>So the aircraft depicted is taking off from the power station! or is it landing in the sea! The runway at Lydd is near 3 miles away from the picture, which is at Dungeness. If you talk to the majority of residents, the airport is very much welcomed. It will bring in much needed jobs and revenue. I used to live at Dungeness and also worked at Lydd airport when the expansion plans were first mooted by Jonathon Gordon back in the 1980s. Only for nimbys to shoot down the plan(e)s. My late father flew out of Lydd in the 1960s flying carvairs and Bristol freighters, and at that time Lydd was a very busy airport. And on the subject of the nuclear reactors. The design of the reactor housing took into account the effect of an aircraft such as a 747 crashing into it, while still being able to operate, but would not be drawn into the equation as the aircraft would not take off or indeed land anywhere near the reactors, which are in restricted airspace. As far as I can remember the landing approach would take place over Littlestone/Greatstone. Take-offs would be more probable over farmland to the west of Lydd. There are also numerous Jets flying over Dungeness everyday, albeit at 40,000 ft .</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14857971);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14857971">1</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14857971"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14857971"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857971" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14858005"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2011/06/30/UnevenSurface/68d1ea4a-c63a-40c4-9dec-b41ee1f1afa9/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/UnevenSurface" title="User profile page">UnevenSurface</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 10:16AM</p> </div> <div class="response-to"> Response to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14857535">thomaspaine1, 26 February 2012 9:40AM</a> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>No, not forgetting; more like 'discounting'. It's a case of scale. Oil production (all liquids) peaked at 88,000,000 barrels per day. Bio fuel isn't going to get anywhere close to that scale - unless if we're willing to allocate so much farm production to it that we starve to death. </p><p>Currently all the potential replacements for cheap oil fall at the scale hurdle.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14858005);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14858005">2</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14858005"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14858005"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14858005" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14858222"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/NeverMindTheBollocks" title="User profile page">NeverMindTheBollocks</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 10:30AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <blockquote><p>an impression of what the future could hold for Dungeness and Derek Jarman’s Prospect Cottage if plans go ahead to expand Lydd Airport. </p></blockquote><p>Truly shocking!</p><p>I can't believe that they are going to let airplanes fly just a few feet above the cottages in Dungeness.</p><p>Thanks to the Guardian for bringing us this disturbing impression of the impact of this airport.</p><p>Campaigners against the airport should use this impression from such a credible national newspaper in all their campaigns to show others what they are up against.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14858222);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14858222">1</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14858222"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14858222"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14858222" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14858421"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/09/02/cta_262190_12/14a5c0ac-3cd2-4485-9e7c-eb1246ae6956/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/ToryPartyNastyParty" title="User profile page">ToryPartyNastyParty</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 10:45AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>This is the south-east you are talking about?</p><p>If so, I've bad news for you.</p><p>The battle was lost years ago.</p><p>Give up. 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<p>That chimney won't last long.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14858484);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14858484">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14858484"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14858484"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a 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side of the Thames estuary, near the villages of Cliffe and Cooling; not the channel coast flats near Romney.</p><p><br>-----</p><p>Doesn't he somewhere mention it as being the south Essex marshes? With the Thames bordering to the south...</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14858512);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14858512">2</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14858512"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14858512"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14858512" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14858530"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/MarkBR" title="User profile page">MarkBR</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 10:54AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>I wonder if there will be enough water for an airport? Strange the list of bits of England to be ConDemned by the Coalition seems to be endless: Chilterns(HS2), english countryside(planning regulation reform to house builders), badgers to be slaughtered, forests were nearly sold (I am sure they will try again), and now Lydd and its surrounding countryside. <br>The Coalition vandals must be opposed!</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14858530);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14858530">2</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14858530"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" 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Was there only last week and agree that (aside from the Dckensian faux pas of the writer) it is a strangely magical place. It's flat and desolate and a photographers dream if you're after squat black cottages, rusting hulks and Turner skies.</p><p>If you want another airport a better bet would be expanding Manston. It's already got a massive runway and the local area is is dire need of employment, much more so than the sparsely populated Romney marshes which are predominantly dominated by agriculture. Plus you wouldn't have to spent trillions on extending and branching the existing high speed line that's already in place via the Chunnel and Ashford Intl.</p><p>And siting a major international airport so close to a nuke station is not a very good idea at all. </p><p>However, regarding birdlife and protection status. I would suggest that more environmental damage is currently being done by the appalling state of the shoreline littered with discarded nets, old rusty containers and other bits of oiled-soaked crap left by the, 'ahem', fishing community.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14859059);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14859059">3</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14859059"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14859059"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14859059" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14859268"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/gthegman" title="User profile page">gthegman</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 11:53AM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>An interesting article on a controversial topic, somewhat undermined for me by the beginning and end, which geographically misplaces the encouter between Magwitch and Pip from one side of Kent to the other. Dickens near Rochester, and it is the flat marshland out towards the Isle of Grain that he used for that meeting. The hulks that served as prison ships were moored along the Medway Estuary, and I hardly think Pip would have been able to travel in to Rochester and visit Miss Havisham from the other side of the county. </p><p>Which doesn't exactly undermine the arguments about Lydd and its exploitation, except that it makes you wonder about the accuracy of the rest of the article. Manston has been a bit of a flop, and all this talk of expanding airports seems to assume that people just fly from 'wherever'. It'll be interesting to see if Southend takes off (excuse me), because it strikes me people plump for what they know - Heathrow and Gatwick - and if even Stansted is under capacity, perhaps no-one will go to Lydd because they don't know where it is...</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14859268);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14859268">6</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14859268"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14859268"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14859268" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14860533"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/frindsbury" title="User profile page">frindsbury</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:00PM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Weird article! You have a major breaking story about the Transport Secretary, Justine Greening snubbing Cllr Chambers, the Tory leader of Medway Council- the council where Magwitch's North Kent Marshes are situated and you run a piece about an airstrip in East Kent. You have the government planning to back Boris' election bid with the 70 billion pound scheme to concrete over High Halstow, Cooling and the Isle of Grain and you choose to run an article on a non starter somewhere to the east of Canterbury.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14860533);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14860533">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14860533"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" 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always bad ... but ... this is an extraordinarily special place and i'm not sure if jets over jarman's shed would be an enhancement !!<br>Its the sheer loneliness and austerity of Dungeness that draws me back time after time ...</p><p>Well, for any other devotees of the area you might like to try an ebook called<br>'The Homing Instinct' by Andrew Benedict ... available now on Amazons website <br>for only £1.88p ... the strapline is 'two lost souls on the Kent coast' ... it's a romantic crime (oxymoronic ... but true description) work of fiction ... and you can even read the first four chapters free without having to download it ... !</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14860538);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14860538">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " 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I'm sure the rest of the world would benefit without our profaning presence.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14860590);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14860590">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14860590"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14860590"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14860590" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14860636"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2010/09/01/no-user-image.gif" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/frindsbury" title="User profile page">frindsbury</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:12PM</p> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <p>Your reporter could catch a train to do a site visit from Paddington, Charing Cross, Waterloo and Victoria he could talk to Cllr Chambers, or Cllr Paul Godwin and I am sure Medway Council officers would take him to Cliffe Pools, the RSPB at High Halstow. Failing that could you just show him how to use Wikipedia. He may even find Chris Butlers article in <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.yourmedway.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Your Medway</a> helpful.</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14860636);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14860636">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14860636"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14860636"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14860636" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="comment b2" id="comment-14860695"> <li class="comment-author"> <div class="badges"> </div> <div class="profile"> <img class="author-profile-picture" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557im_/http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/discussion/avatars/2010/09/02/cta_262190_13/1cfba3f0-2fd4-488b-949f-ae4f835c3c24/60x60.png" height="60" width="60" alt=""/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/hithlum" title="User profile page">hithlum</a> <p class="date">26 February 2012 2:18PM</p> </div> <div class="response-to"> Response to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14856005">UnevenSurface, 26 February 2012 4:33AM</a> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <blockquote><p>As GreatGrandDad says, conventional oil is now in decline. Although it's really hard to pinpoint the exact date at which fuel prices will make 'budget' airlines a thing of the past</p></blockquote><p>The marque airlines (ex national carriers) will probibly die before many of the budgets but although there has been a bloodbath among the less well funded budgets.<br>The rapid turn around they operate makes it quicker to amortize the cost of a new aircraft and the latest are 20% more fuel efficient than those of 10 years ago and substantially more fuel efficient than the old fleets in the marque carriers. </p><p>But you are right, the canibalism of the likes of BA will not account for when they have to slow down the number of flights a day as less people can afford the fuel costs. 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Simply it is a gift for Greening.<br></p><blockquote><p> I have had a massive post bag The public doesn't want me to develop Lydd, so I agree with Boris flatten the Hoo peninsula.</p></blockquote><p><br>That's Tory style consultation in action</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment-tools"> <ul> <li class="recomended"> <a title="Recommend this comment" class="recommend" onclick="recommendComment(14860701);return false;">Recommend?</a> (<span class="recommended" id="recommended-count-14860701">0</span>) </li> <li class="reply"> Responses (0) </li> <li class="abuse-report"> <a class="report-abuse " href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/report-abuse/comment/14860701"> Report </a> </li> <li class="clip"> <form action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/clippings/add" method="get"> <input type="hidden" name="microappName" value="discussion-main"/> <input type="hidden" name="microappItemId" value="comment-14860701"/> <input class="form-based-login-required package-required-RCO" type="submit" value="Clip" title="Add this comment to your profile bookmarks"/> </form> </li> <li class="link">| <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14860701" title="Permalink to this comment" alt="Permalink to this comment"> Link </a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </span> <span class="trackable-component component-wrapper eight-col" data-component="microapp: discussion-main : fetchPostCommentForm : comments"> <div id="post-area"> <div id="login-container"> <a class="anchor-based-login-required policy-required-basicCommunity fancy-button fancy-button-inline" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/article-redirect/3147403">Sign in to comment</a> or <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/https://id.guardian.co.uk/register?returnUrl=http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/article-redirect/3147403" title="Click to register" class="signin register-required">create your Guardian account</a> to join the conversation </div> </div> <script type="text/javascript"> jQ(document).ready(function(){ // check jQuery UI hasn't been loaded in by a microapp. short-term fix. if (!jQuery.ui) { jQ.getScript('http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://resource.guim.co.uk/discussion/static/1780/jquery-ui-1.7.3.custom.min.js'); } }); </script> <script type="text/javascript"> function fix_domain_for_careers(url){ var re, fixed_url; var careers_length = "careers".length; if (window.location.host.substr(0, careers_length) === "careers") { re = /http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20120226142557\/http:\/\/www\./; fixed_url = url.replace(re, "http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://careers."); } else { re = /http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20120226142557\/http:\/\/careers\./; fixed_url = url.replace(re, "http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www."); } return fixed_url; } jQ(function() { fixPluckCommentUrl('http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/api/resolvePluckCommentKey?pluck-comment-keys=&callback='); var loading_box = jQ("<div class='report-form-loading'>Loading</div>"); jQ('a.report-abuse:not(.no-abuse-popup)').live('click', function(ev) { ev.preventDefault(); loading_box.dialog({ title: "Abuse report", draggable: false, modal: true, width: 400, minHeight: 320, resizable: false, beforeclose: function(event, ui) { var readOnly = jQ('.report-abuse-ajax-readonly').length; if(readOnly == 1) return true; var reason = jQ('.report-abuse-ajax-form textarea#id_reason').val(); var thanksPage = jQ('.report-form-loading p[data-abuse-report-accepted-for-comment]').length; if (thanksPage == 0) { thanksPage = jQ('.report-form-loading p[data-abuse-report-accepted-for-profile]').length; } if(thanksPage == 0) { if(reason == 0) { return true; } else { return confirm("Closing this window without pressing \"Report\" will result in your words being lost. 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St Pancras</option> <option value="LPL">Liverpool</option> <option value="MAN">Manchester Int.</option> <option value="MUC">Munich</option> <option value="NCL">Newcastle</option> <option value="NQY">Newquay</option> <option value="NWI">Norwich</option> <option value="CDG">Paris</option> <option value="PRG">Prague</option> <option value="PLH">Plymouth</option> <option value="FCO">Rome</option> <option value="SOU">Southampton</option> <option value="ARN">Stockholm</option> <option value="MME">Teesside</option> </select> </label> <label for="destinationDpPoint" id="destinationLabel"> <span>Going to:</span> <select id="destinationDpPoint" name="DPAAP"><option value="none">Pick from our top 10 >></option></select> </label> <p class="error">* Please select the destination</p> </fieldset> <fieldset id="dates"> <fieldset class="dates" id="leaving-date"> <span>Leaving date:</span> <label for="ld"> <select name="date_out_day" id="departureDateDpDay"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> <option value="13">13</option> <option value="14">14</option> <option value="15">15</option> <option value="16">16</option> <option value="17">17</option> <option value="18">18</option> <option value="19">19</option> <option value="20">20</option> <option value="21">21</option> <option value="22">22</option> <option value="23">23</option> <option value="24">24</option> <option value="25">25</option> <option value="26">26</option> <option value="27">27</option> <option value="28">28</option> <option value="29">29</option> <option value="30">30</option> <option value="31">31</option> </select> </label> <label class="date_out_month" for="lm"> <select name="date_out_month" id="departureDateDpMonth"> <option value="1">Jan</option> <option value="2">Feb</option> <option value="3">Mar</option> <option value="4">Apr</option> <option value="5">May</option> <option value="6">June</option> <option value="7">July</option> <option value="8">Aug</option> <option value="9">Sep</option> <option value="10">Oct</option> <option value="11">Nov</option> <option value="12">Dec</option> </select> <input id="datepicker_leavingDp" class="datepicker" type="text"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPODT" id="departureTime" value="0001"/> </label> </fieldset> <fieldset class="dates" id="return-date"> <span>Return date:</span> <label for="rd"> <select name="date_in_day" id="returnDateDpDay"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> <option value="13">13</option> <option value="14">14</option> <option value="15">15</option> <option value="16">16</option> <option value="17">17</option> <option value="18">18</option> <option value="19">19</option> <option value="20">20</option> <option value="21">21</option> <option value="22">22</option> <option value="23">23</option> <option value="24">24</option> <option value="25">25</option> <option value="26">26</option> <option value="27">27</option> <option value="28">28</option> <option value="29">29</option> <option value="30">30</option> <option value="31">31</option> </select> </label> <label class="date_in_month" for="rm"> <select name="date_in_month" id="returnDateDpMonth"> <option value="1">Jan</option> <option value="2">Feb</option> <option value="3">Mar</option> <option value="4">Apr</option> <option value="5">May</option> <option value="6">June</option> <option value="7">July</option> <option value="8">Aug</option> <option value="9">Sep</option> <option value="10">Oct</option> <option value="11">Nov</option> <option value="12">Dec</option> </select> <input type="hidden" name="DPIDT" id="returnTime" value="0001"/> <input id="datepicker_returnDp" class="datepicker" type="text"/> </label> </fieldset> </fieldset> <fieldset id="direct-flight" class="bottom-border"> <label for="directFlights"> <input type="checkbox" value="1" name="DPDIR" id="directDpFlights"/> <span>Direct flights only</span> </label> <input type="hidden" name="DPNOA" value="0"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPNOC" value="0"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPNOS" value="0"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPNOI" value="0"/> </fieldset> <fieldset id="passenger-count" class="bottom-border"> <label id="label-rooms-dp" for="rooms_dp"><span>No. of rooms:</span> <select name="DPNOR" class="numRooms" id="rooms_dp"> <option value="1" selected="selected">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <fieldset class="rooms"> <fieldset id="rooms_dp0"> <label><strong>Room 1</strong></label> <label for="adultsRoom0" class="numAdults"> <span>Adults (+12)</span> <select name="ROOM_1_A" id="adultsDpRoom0" class="adults"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> </select> </label> <label for="children0" class="numChildren"> <span>Children (2-11)</span> <select name="ROOM_1_C" class="children" id="children0"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <label for="infant0" class="numInfant"> <span>Infants<br/> (0-23 months)</span> <select name="ROOM_1_I" class="infants" id="infants0"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> </fieldset> <fieldset id="rooms_dp1"> <label><strong>Room 2</strong></label> <label for="adultsRoom1" class="numAdults"> <span>Adults (+12)</span> <select name="ROOM_2_A" id="adultsDpRoom1" class="adults"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> </select> </label> <label for="children1" class="numChildren"> <span>Children (2-11)</span> <select name="ROOM_2_C" class="children" id="children1"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <label for="infant1" class="numInfant"> <span>Infants<br/> (0-23 months)</span> <select name="ROOM_2_I" class="infants" id="infants1"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> </fieldset> <fieldset id="rooms_dp2"> <label><strong>Room 3</strong></label> <label for="adults2" class="numAdults"> <span>Adults (+12)</span> <select name="ROOM_3_A" id="adultsDpRoom2" class="adults"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> </select> </label> <label for="children2" class="numChildren"> <span>Children (2-11)</span> <select name="ROOM_3_C" class="children" id="children2"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <label for="infant2" class="numInfant"> <span>Infants<br/> (0-23 months)</span> <select name="ROOM_3_I" class="infants" id="infants2"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> </fieldset> </fieldset> <a href="#" id="howmany">How many people can travel?</a> </fieldset> <div class="submit"> <div class="moreOptions"> <strong>More search options</strong><br/> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://lastminute.guardianholidayoffers.co.uk/site/travel/packaging/advanced-search.html?skin=engb.guardian">Choose airline, star rating, etc.</a> </div> </div> <fieldset style="float:right"> <input type="submit" title="search" value="Search" id="dp_submit"/> </fieldset> </form> <div class="bubbleText" style="display:none;"> <div class="curvedHeaderTransFill"> <div class="left"> <strong class="t2">How many people can travel?</strong> </div> <div class="right"> <a class="bubble-close" href="#"> <span id="bubbleclose">Close</span> </a> </div> </div> <div class="curvedContentBody"> <div class="bodyContent">Here are the rules around your room and traveller bookings: <ul> <li>The total number of adults and children in your party can not exceed 9.</li> <li>There must be at least one adult per infant.</li> <li>The total number of adults and children per room can not exceed 4</li> <li>Infants must be in the same room as the accompanying adult.</li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="curvedFooterTransFillShadow"> <div class="left"></div> <div class="right"></div> </div> </div>   <form id="lmn-hotels-search" method="get" name="hotels_search" target="_self" action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://lastminute.guardianholidayoffers.co.uk/trips/interstitial/searchHotelsInternal"> <fieldset class="destination"> <label id="destination"> Destination:<br/> <input class="destn" name="lmnLocation" type="text"/> <p class="error">* Please enter the destination</p> </label> </fieldset> <fieldset class="checkIn"> <label for="checkInDay">Check-in: <select name="lmnCheckInDay" id="d" class="search-check-in-day"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> <option value="13">13</option> <option value="14">14</option> <option value="15">15</option> <option value="16">16</option> <option value="17">17</option> <option value="18">18</option> <option value="19">19</option> <option value="20">20</option> <option value="21">21</option> <option value="22">22</option> <option value="23">23</option> <option value="24">24</option> <option value="25">25</option> <option value="26">26</option> <option value="27">27</option> <option value="28">28</option> <option value="29">29</option> <option value="30">30</option> <option value="31">31</option> </select> </label> <label class="checkInDay"> <select name="lmnCheckInMonth" id="m" class="search-check-in-month"> <option value="4">Apr</option> <option value="5">May</option> <option value="6">June</option> <option value="7">July</option> <option value="8">Aug</option> <option value="9">Sep</option> <option value="10">Oct</option> <option value="11">Nov</option> <option value="12">Dec</option> <option value="1">Jan</option> <option value="2">Feb</option> <option value="3">Mar</option> </select> <input id="datepicker" class="datepicker" type="text"/> </label> </fieldset> <fieldset class="nights"> <label>Nights: <select name="lmnLengthOfStay" id="lengthOfStay" class="search-nights"> <option selected="selected" value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> <option value="13">13</option> <option value="14">14</option> <option value="15">15</option> <option value="16">16</option> <option value="17">17</option> <option value="18">18</option> <option value="19">19</option> <option value="20">20</option> <option value="21">21</option> <option value="22">22</option> <option value="23">23</option> <option value="24">24</option> <option value="25">25</option> <option value="26">26</option> <option value="27">27</option> <option value="28">28</option> </select> </label> <label for="search-check-out" class="search-check-out">Check-out:<br/> <input id="search-check-out" class="text date" disabled="disabled" name="lmnCheckOutDisplay" type="text"/> <input id="checkOutDay" type="hidden" name="lmnCheckOutDay" value="17"/> <input id="checkOutMonth" type="hidden" name="lmnCheckOutMonth" value="8"/> </label> </fieldset> <fieldset class="rooms"> <label class="num_rooms">No. of rooms: <select name="lmnRooms" class="numRooms" id="rooms"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <fieldset class="childRooms"> <fieldset id="rooms0"> <label for="adultsRoom1" class="adults">Adults: <select name="lmnAdultsRoom1" id="adultsRoom1"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> </select> </label> <label for="childrenRoom1" class="children">Children (0-12): <select name="lmnChildrenRoom1" id="childrenRoom1"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <fieldset class="childAge" id="childAge1"> <label>Child ages at time of travel</label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom1ChildAge1" class="childAgeList" id="room1_childAge1"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom1ChildAge2" class="childAgeList" id="room1_childAge2"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom1ChildAge3" class="childAgeList" id="room1_childAge3"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> 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value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom2ChildAge2" class="childAgeList" id="room2_childAge2"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom2ChildAge3" class="childAgeList" id="room2_childAge3"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> </fieldset> </fieldset> <fieldset id="rooms2"> <label for="adultsRoom3" class="adults">Adults: <select name="lmnAdultsRoom3" id="adultsRoom3" class="adults"> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> </select> </label> <label for="childrenRoom3" class="children">Children (0-12): <select name="lmnChildrenRoom3" class="children" id="childrenRoom3"> <option value="0">0</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> </select> </label> <fieldset class="childAge" id="childAge3"> <label>Child ages at time of travel</label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom3ChildAge1" class="childAgeList" id="room3_childAge1"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom3ChildAge2" class="childAgeList" id="room3_childAge2"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> <label> <select name="lmnRoom3ChildAge3" class="childAgeList" id="room3_childAge3"> <option value="-1">-</option> <option value="0"><1</option> <option value="1">1</option> <option value="2">2</option> <option value="3">3</option> <option value="4">4</option> <option value="5">5</option> <option value="6">6</option> <option value="7">7</option> <option value="8">8</option> <option value="9">9</option> <option value="10">10</option> <option value="11">11</option> <option value="12">12</option> </select> </label> </fieldset> </fieldset> </fieldset> </fieldset> <fieldset class="dAccess"> <input type="submit" id="lmnHotelsSubmit" value="Search" title="Search"/> <input type="checkbox" value="1" id="amenity1" name="searchableAmenityGroupIds"/> <label>Disabled Access</label> </fieldset> <input type="hidden" name="path" value="hotels"/> <input type="hidden" name="formsubmit" value="Search"/> <input type="hidden" name="configId" value="S03612568"/> </form>   <form id="lmn-flights-search" method="get" action="http://web.archive.org/web/20120226142557/http://lastminute.guardianholidayoffers.co.uk/site/travel/flights/GT-transform.html" target="_self"> <input type="hidden" name="skin" value="engb.guardian"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPCAT" value="flights"/> <input type="hidden" name="TRANS" value="ViewTransportationSearchBox,doSearchForTransportation"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPCLS" value="X"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPSAC" value="GFO"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPDCC" value="GBP"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPCID" value="0"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPFIT" value=""/> <input type="hidden" name="DPSRT" value="FA"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPHSI" value="0"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPHEI" value="9"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPFSI" value="0"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPFEI" value="9"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPSFT" value=""/> <input type="hidden" name="DPLOC" value="en_GB"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPPID" value="8097"/> <input type="hidden" name="DPTRT" 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