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class="vector-toc-link" href="#RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.5</span> <span>RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-有关公开投票人列表的问题" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#有关公开投票人列表的问题"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.6</span> <span>有关公开投票人列表的问题</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-有关公开投票人列表的问题-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-其他意見" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#其他意見"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7</span> <span>其他意見</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-其他意見-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7.1</span> <span>澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7.2</span> <span>关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-小结" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#小结"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.8</span> <span>小结</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-小结-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> 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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">139条留言</span> <button aria-controls="toc-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>开关WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议子章节</span> </button> <ul id="toc-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-七日分割线" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#七日分割线"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.1</span> <span>七日分割线</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-七日分割线-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-议题1:是否闭站" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#议题1:是否闭站"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.1.1</span> <span>议题1:是否闭站</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-议题1:是否闭站-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.1.1.1</span> <span>本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认有进一步操作,或者英维闭站)。请明确您认为的应该触发闭站抗议的事件" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认有进一步操作,或者英维闭站)。请明确您认为的应该触发闭站抗议的事件"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.1.1.2</span> <span>本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认有进一步操作,或者英维闭站)。请明确您认为的应该触发闭站抗议的事件</span> </div> </a> <ul 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href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D9%85%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA" title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان/منوعات – 阿拉伯语" lang="ar" hreflang="ar" data-title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان/منوعات" data-language-autonym="العربية" data-language-local-name="阿拉伯语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>العربية</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-as mw-list-item"><a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A7%B1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%B0_%E0%A6%9A%27%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE_(%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A7)" title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:ৰাইজৰ চ&#039;ৰা (বিবিধ) – 阿萨姆语" lang="as" hreflang="as" data-title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:ৰাইজৰ চ&#039;ৰা (বিবিধ)" data-language-autonym="অসমীয়া" data-language-local-name="阿萨姆语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>অসমীয়া</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-av mw-list-item"><a href="https://av.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81" title="Википедия:Мажлис – 阿瓦尔语" lang="av" hreflang="av" data-title="Википедия:Мажлис" data-language-autonym="Авар" data-language-local-name="阿瓦尔语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Авар</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-az mw-list-item"><a href="https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:K%C9%99nd_meydan%C4%B1" title="Vikipediya:Kənd meydanı – 阿塞拜疆语" lang="az" hreflang="az" data-title="Vikipediya:Kənd meydanı" data-language-autonym="Azərbaycanca" data-language-local-name="阿塞拜疆语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Azərbaycanca</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-azb mw-list-item"><a href="https://azb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%A9%D9%86%D8%AF_%D9%85%D8%A6%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%DB%8C%D9%82" title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی/دانیشیق – South Azerbaijani" lang="azb" hreflang="azb" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی/دانیشیق" data-language-autonym="تۆرکجه" data-language-local-name="South Azerbaijani" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>تۆرکجه</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ba mw-list-item"><a href="https://ba.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D2%A0%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Ҡоролтай – 巴什基尔语" lang="ba" hreflang="ba" data-title="Википедия:Ҡоролтай" data-language-autonym="Башҡортса" data-language-local-name="巴什基尔语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Башҡортса</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-be mw-list-item"><a href="https://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8B%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Вікіпедыя:Форум – 白俄罗斯语" lang="be" hreflang="be" data-title="Вікіпедыя:Форум" data-language-autonym="Беларуская" data-language-local-name="白俄罗斯语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Беларуская</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-be-x-old mw-list-item"><a href="https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8B%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Вікіпэдыя:Форум – Belarusian (Taraškievica orthography)" lang="be-tarask" hreflang="be-tarask" data-title="Вікіпэдыя:Форум" data-language-autonym="Беларуская (тарашкевіца)" data-language-local-name="Belarusian (Taraškievica orthography)" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Беларуская (тарашкевіца)</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-blk mw-list-item"><a href="https://blk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%81%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:Village_pump_(%E1%80%A1%E1%80%85%E1%80%BD%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%B8%E1%80%A1%E1%80%92%E1%80%9D%E1%80%BA%E1%82%8F)" title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အစွိုးအဒဝ်ႏ) – Pa&#039;O" lang="blk" hreflang="blk" data-title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အစွိုးအဒဝ်ႏ)" data-language-autonym="ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ" data-language-local-name="Pa&#039;O" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bxr mw-list-item"><a href="https://bxr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%8D%D0%B4%D0%B8:Community_Portal" title="Википеэди:Community Portal – Russia Buriat" lang="bxr" hreflang="bxr" data-title="Википеэди:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Буряад" data-language-local-name="Russia Buriat" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Буряад</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ckb mw-list-item"><a href="https://ckb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%88%DB%95%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86_(%D8%AC%DB%86%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%AC%DB%86%D8%B1)" title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان (جۆراوجۆر) – 中库尔德语" lang="ckb" hreflang="ckb" data-title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان (جۆراوجۆر)" data-language-autonym="کوردی" data-language-local-name="中库尔德语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>کوردی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou_(u_krbu)" title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou (u krbu) – 捷克语" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou (u krbu)" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="捷克语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cu mw-list-item"><a href="https://cu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%94%D0%B4%D1%97%EA%99%97:%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8C%D1%89%D1%94%D0%BD%D0%B8%EA%99%97_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B2%D1%A3%D1%82%D1%8A" title="Википєдїꙗ:Обьщєниꙗ съвѣтъ – 教会斯拉夫语" lang="cu" hreflang="cu" data-title="Википєдїꙗ:Обьщєниꙗ съвѣтъ" data-language-autonym="Словѣньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ" data-language-local-name="教会斯拉夫语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Словѣньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cv mw-list-item"><a href="https://cv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BB%D1%83/%D0%9F%C4%95%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B5" title="Википеди:Канашлу/Пĕрле – 楚瓦什语" lang="cv" hreflang="cv" data-title="Википеди:Канашлу/Пĕрле" data-language-autonym="Чӑвашла" data-language-local-name="楚瓦什语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Чӑвашла</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dty mw-list-item"><a href="https://dty.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B_(%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो (विविध) – Doteli" lang="dty" hreflang="dty" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो (विविध)" data-language-autonym="डोटेली" data-language-local-name="Doteli" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>डोटेली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-en mw-list-item"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) – 英语" lang="en" hreflang="en" data-title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)" data-language-autonym="English" data-language-local-name="英语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>English</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eo mw-list-item"><a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Diversejo" title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Diversejo – 世界语" lang="eo" hreflang="eo" data-title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Diversejo" data-language-autonym="Esperanto" data-language-local-name="世界语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Esperanto</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-es mw-list-item"><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Miscel%C3%A1nea/Actual" title="Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Miscelánea/Actual – 西班牙语" lang="es" hreflang="es" data-title="Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Miscelánea/Actual" data-language-autonym="Español" data-language-local-name="西班牙语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Español</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%82%D9%87%D9%88%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87/%DA%AF%D9%88%D9%86%D8%A7%DA%AF%D9%88%D9%86" title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/گوناگون – 波斯语" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/گوناگون" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="波斯语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>فارسی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fi mw-list-item"><a href="https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(sekalaista)" title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (sekalaista) – 芬兰语" lang="fi" hreflang="fi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (sekalaista)" data-language-autonym="Suomi" data-language-local-name="芬兰语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Suomi</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gl mw-list-item"><a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A_Taberna_(xeral)" title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (xeral) – 加利西亚语" lang="gl" hreflang="gl" data-title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (xeral)" data-language-autonym="Galego" data-language-local-name="加利西亚语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Galego</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-glk mw-list-item"><a href="https://glk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%D9%82%D8%A3%D9%88%D9%87_%D8%AF%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A4%D9%86/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AE%DB%8C" title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/باخی – 吉拉基文" lang="glk" hreflang="glk" data-title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/باخی" data-language-autonym="گیلکی" data-language-local-name="吉拉基文" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>گیلکی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gu mw-list-item"><a href="https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AA%B5%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%95%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%AA%E0%AB%80%E0%AA%A1%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%AF%E0%AA%BE:%E0%AA%9A%E0%AB%8B%E0%AA%A4%E0%AA%B0%E0%AB%8B_(%E0%AA%85%E0%AA%A8%E0%AB%8D%E0%AA%AF)" title="વિકિપીડિયા:ચોતરો (અન્ય) – 古吉拉特语" lang="gu" hreflang="gu" data-title="વિકિપીડિયા:ચોતરો (અન્ય)" data-language-autonym="ગુજરાતી" data-language-local-name="古吉拉特语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ગુજરાતી</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-he mw-list-item"><a href="https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%A8_%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A8" title="ויקיפדיה:כיכר העיר – 希伯来语" lang="he" hreflang="he" data-title="ויקיפדיה:כיכר העיר" data-language-autonym="עברית" data-language-local-name="希伯来语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>עברית</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(egy%C3%A9b)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (egyéb) – 匈牙利语" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (egyéb)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="匈牙利语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Lain-lain)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain) – 印度尼西亚语" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="印度尼西亚语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ilo mw-list-item"><a href="https://ilo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Nadumaduma" title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Nadumaduma – 伊洛卡诺语" lang="ilo" hreflang="ilo" data-title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Nadumaduma" data-language-autonym="Ilokano" data-language-local-name="伊洛卡诺语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ilokano</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-inh mw-list-item"><a href="https://inh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википеди:Форум – 印古什语" lang="inh" hreflang="inh" data-title="Википеди:Форум" data-language-autonym="ГӀалгӀай" data-language-local-name="印古什语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ГӀалгӀай</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jv mw-list-item"><a href="https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Angkringan_Liyan%C3%A9" title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Liyané – 爪哇语" lang="jv" hreflang="jv" data-title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Liyané" data-language-autonym="Jawa" data-language-local-name="爪哇语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Jawa</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kk mw-list-item"><a href="https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%81%D2%9B%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80" title="Уикипедия:Форум/Басқалар – 哈萨克语" lang="kk" hreflang="kk" data-title="Уикипедия:Форум/Басқалар" data-language-autonym="Қазақша" data-language-local-name="哈萨克语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Қазақша</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ko badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%91%EB%B0%A9_(%EC%9D%BC%EB%B0%98)" title="위키백과:사랑방 (일반) – 韩语" lang="ko" hreflang="ko" data-title="위키백과:사랑방 (일반)" data-language-autonym="한국어" data-language-local-name="韩语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>한국어</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ku mw-list-item"><a href="https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%AEk%C3%AEpediya:D%C3%AEwan_(tevl%C3%AEhev)" title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (tevlîhev) – 库尔德语" lang="ku" hreflang="ku" data-title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (tevlîhev)" data-language-autonym="Kurdî" data-language-local-name="库尔德语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Kurdî</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lez mw-list-item"><a href="https://lez.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9A%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум/Кьилин форум – 列兹金语" lang="lez" hreflang="lez" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Кьилин форум" data-language-autonym="Лезги" data-language-local-name="列兹金语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Лезги</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a href="https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D_(%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%95)" title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (പലവക) – 马拉雅拉姆语" lang="ml" hreflang="ml" data-title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (പലവക)" data-language-autonym="മലയാളം" data-language-local-name="马拉雅拉姆语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>മലയാളം</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mn mw-list-item"><a href="https://mn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D0%A5%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB/%D0%95%D1%80%D3%A9%D0%BD%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедиа:Хурал/Ерөнхий – 蒙古语" lang="mn" hreflang="mn" data-title="Википедиа:Хурал/Ерөнхий" data-language-autonym="Монгол" data-language-local-name="蒙古语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Монгол</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kopi_(lain-lain)" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (lain-lain) – 马来语" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (lain-lain)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="马来语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Melayu</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%80%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%96%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%9B%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%86%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA_(%E1%80%A1%E1%80%91%E1%80%BD%E1%80%B1%E1%80%91%E1%80%BD%E1%80%B1)" title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (အထွေထွေ) – 缅甸语" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (အထွေထွေ)" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="缅甸语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>မြန်မာဘာသာ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-myv mw-list-item"><a href="https://myv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%81%D1%8C:%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%BE/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%8D%D0%BD%D1%8C" title="Википедиясь:Мелькужо/Вейсэнь – 厄尔兹亚语" lang="myv" hreflang="myv" data-title="Википедиясь:Мелькужо/Вейсэнь" data-language-autonym="Эрзянь" data-language-local-name="厄尔兹亚语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Эрзянь</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80_(%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (विविध) – 尼泊尔语" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (विविध)" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="尼泊尔语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-no mw-list-item"><a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget" title="Wikipedia:Torget – 书面挪威语" lang="nb" hreflang="nb" data-title="Wikipedia:Torget" data-language-autonym="Norsk bokmål" data-language-local-name="书面挪威语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Norsk bokmål</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Og%C3%B3lne" title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Ogólne – 波兰语" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Ogólne" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="波兰语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Polski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A8%D9%86%DA%89%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%81%D8%A7%DB%8C/%D8%A8%DB%90%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%DB%90%D9%84" title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/بېلابېل – 普什图语" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/بېلابېل" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="普什图语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>پښتو</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt mw-list-item"><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/geral" title="Wikipédia:Esplanada/geral – 葡萄牙语" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Esplanada/geral" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="葡萄牙语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Português</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Форум/Общий – 俄语" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Общий" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="俄语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Русский</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपीडिया:साहाय्यसभा – 梵语" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:साहाय्यसभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="梵语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>संस्कृतम्</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%8D:%D0%9A%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D1%8D%D1%80_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80/%D0%A3%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%8B%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Уопсайынан кэпсэтии – 萨哈语" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Уопсайынан кэпсэтии" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="萨哈语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Саха тыла</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD_%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA" title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/متفرقات – 信德语" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/متفرقات" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="信德语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>سنڌي</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-shn mw-list-item"><a href="https://shn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%B6%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%BD%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%82%83%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%81%A2%E1%81%BC%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%99%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%B5%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88_(%E1%81%B5%E1%80%B0%E1%82%88%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88)" title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ၵူႈလွင်ႈလွင်ႈ) – 掸语" lang="shn" hreflang="shn" data-title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ၵူႈလွင်ႈလွင်ႈ)" data-language-autonym="ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး " data-language-local-name="掸语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး </span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F:%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%9D%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%92_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%9A_(miscellaneous)" title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (miscellaneous) – 僧伽罗语" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (miscellaneous)" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="僧伽罗语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>සිංහල</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sk mw-list-item"><a href="https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kaviare%C5%88/R%C3%B4zne" title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Rôzne – 斯洛伐克语" lang="sk" hreflang="sk" data-title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Rôzne" data-language-autonym="Slovenčina" data-language-local-name="斯洛伐克语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Slovenčina</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE" title="Википедија:Трг/Разно – 塞尔维亚语" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг/Разно" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="塞尔维亚语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Српски / srpski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-su mw-list-item"><a href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sawala_(nu_lian)" title="Wikipedia:Sawala (nu lian) – 巽他语" lang="su" hreflang="su" data-title="Wikipedia:Sawala (nu lian)" data-language-autonym="Sunda" data-language-local-name="巽他语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Sunda</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-szl mw-list-item"><a href="https://szl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Uog%C5%AFlne/Downe" title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Uogůlne/Downe – 西里西亚语" lang="szl" hreflang="szl" data-title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Uogůlne/Downe" data-language-autonym="Ślůnski" data-language-local-name="西里西亚语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ślůnski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-te mw-list-item"><a href="https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%A1%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%BE:%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%9A%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%9A%E0%B0%AC%E0%B0%82%E0%B0%A1_(%E0%B0%87%E0%B0%A4%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%A4%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%BE)" title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ (ఇతరత్రా) – 泰卢固语" lang="te" hreflang="te" data-title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ (ఇతరత్రా)" data-language-autonym="తెలుగు" data-language-local-name="泰卢固语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>తెలుగు</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tg mw-list-item"><a href="https://tg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D2%9A%D0%B0%D2%B3%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0/%D0%A3%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BC%D3%A3" title="Википедиа:Қаҳвахона/Умумӣ – 塔吉克语" lang="tg" hreflang="tg" data-title="Википедиа:Қаҳвахона/Умумӣ" data-language-autonym="Тоҷикӣ" data-language-local-name="塔吉克语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Тоҷикӣ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tly mw-list-item"><a href="https://tly.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi%C3%A1:Di_M%C9%99jdon" title="Vikipediá:Di Məjdon – 塔里什文" lang="tly" hreflang="tly" data-title="Vikipediá:Di Məjdon" data-language-autonym="Tolışi" data-language-local-name="塔里什文" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Tolışi</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tr mw-list-item"><a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:K%C3%B6y_%C3%A7e%C5%9Fmesi_(ilginize)" title="Vikipedi:Köy çeşmesi (ilginize) – 土耳其语" lang="tr" hreflang="tr" data-title="Vikipedi:Köy çeşmesi (ilginize)" data-language-autonym="Türkçe" data-language-local-name="土耳其语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Türkçe</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tt mw-list-item"><a href="https://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B8_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Гомуми форум – 鞑靼语" lang="tt" hreflang="tt" data-title="Википедия:Гомуми форум" data-language-autonym="Татарча / tatarça" data-language-local-name="鞑靼语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Татарча / tatarça</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tyv mw-list-item"><a href="https://tyv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8D%D1%8D%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80" title="Википедия:Медээлер – 图瓦语" lang="tyv" hreflang="tyv" data-title="Википедия:Медээлер" data-language-autonym="Тыва дыл" data-language-local-name="图瓦语" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Тыва дыл</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uk mw-list-item"><a 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:%E5%82%80%E5%84%A1%E8%AA%BF%E6%9F%A5/%E8%AA%BF%E6%9F%A5%E5%8A%A9%E7%90%86" title="Wikipedia talk:傀儡調查/調查助理">調查助理</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E5%90%8D" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/不当用户名">不當用户名</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%">其他</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd hlist" style="width:100%;padding:0px"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%9B%B4%E6%94%B9%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E5%90%8D" title="Wikipedia:更改用户名">更改用户名</a></li> <li>防濫用過濾器 <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%98%B2%E6%BB%A5%E7%94%A8%E8%BF%87%E6%BB%A4%E5%99%A8/%E8%BF%87%E6%BB%A4%E5%99%A8%E8%AF%B7%E6%B1%82" title="Wikipedia:防滥用过滤器/过滤器请求">新增或修改</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%98%B2%E6%BB%A5%E7%94%A8%E8%BF%87%E6%BB%A4%E5%99%A8/%E9%94%99%E8%AF%AF%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A" title="Wikipedia:防滥用过滤器/错误报告">回報錯誤</a></li></ul></li> <li>問題 <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%9F%A5%E8%AF%86%E9%97%AE%E7%AD%94" title="Wikipedia:知识问答">知識問答</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/WikiProject:%E5%BB%BA%E7%AB%8B%E6%A2%9D%E7%9B%AE/%E8%A9%A2%E5%95%8F%E6%A1%8C" title="WikiProject:建立條目/詢問桌">新條目</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見">徵求意見</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B" title="Category:維基百科徵求意見">分類</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E5%85%A8%E9%83%A8" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/全部">索引</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E8%A8%8E%E8%AB%96%E9%A0%81%E8%A9%B1%E9%A1%8C%E7%B4%A2%E5%BC%95" title="Wikipedia:討論頁話題索引"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:grey">討論頁話題索引</span></a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈">互助客棧</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B6%88%E6%81%AF" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/消息">消息</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">方針</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%8A%80%E6%9C%AF" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/技术">技術</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B1%82%E5%8A%A9" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/求助">求助</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">條目探討</a></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">其他</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%AD%97%E8%AF%8D%E8%BD%AC%E6%8D%A2" title="Wikipedia:字词转换">字詞轉換</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%AD%97%E8%AF%8D%E8%BD%AC%E6%8D%A2/%E5%9C%B0%E5%8C%BA%E8%AF%8D%E5%80%99%E9%80%89" title="Wikipedia:字词转换/地区词候选">地区词候选</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%AD%97%E8%AF%8D%E8%BD%AC%E6%8D%A2/%E4%BF%AE%E5%A4%8D%E8%AF%B7%E6%B1%82" title="Wikipedia:字词转换/修复请求">修復請求</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%90%84%E5%9C%B0%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF" title="Wikipedia:各地布告板">各地維基人</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2" style="{{{groupstyle}}}"><div><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="分类"><img alt="分类" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Symbol_category_class.svg/16px-Symbol_category_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Symbol_category_class.svg/23px-Symbol_category_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Symbol_category_class.svg/31px-Symbol_category_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Category:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF" title="Category:維基百科布告板">維基百科布告板</a></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><b>11月18日</b>之后没有新回應的议题會移动至相应的讨论页或<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2024年11月">存档</a>。跳至本頁的:<span class="nowrap"><a href="#toc">目錄</a> · <a href="#footer">底端</a></span></p> <div style="margin-bottom:10px; overflow: auto"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r84318674">@media all and (max-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .hidden-div{width:auto!important;clear:none!important;float:none!important}}</style><div class="hidden-div toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""> <div class="collapsible-title" style="text-align: center; font-weight: bold;">公告欄</div> <div class="mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r56011387">.mw-parser-output .skin-monobook .hlist dl,.mw-parser-output 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title="Wikipedia talk:格式手册/标点符号">修訂圖表説明結尾有無句號</a></b></span><span class="bulletin-conjunction">及</span><span class="bulletin-item"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#修正优特标准的翻译腔问题" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">修訂优特标准</a></b></span><span class="bulletin-suffix">已經通過。</span></li> <li><span class="bulletin-type skin-invert" style="font-weight: bold; background-color:Pink;">[公告]</span> <span class="bulletin-prefix"></span><span class="bulletin-item"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#提議條文(第二版)" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">不限期不是永久-解封指引與第二次機會</a></b></span><span class="bulletin-separator">、</span><span class="bulletin-item"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8#關於公司活動節目類條目的「所有權者」、「母公司」、「營運單位」的疑問" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">規範資訊框內母公司子品牌的列出方式</a></b></span><span class="bulletin-separator">、</span><span class="bulletin-item"><b><a 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2003%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2003年9月">9</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2003%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2003年10月">10</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2003%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2003年11月">11</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2003%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2003年12月">12</a></td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2004年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2004%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2004年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2005年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2005%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2005年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2006年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2006%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2006年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2007年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2007%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2007年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2008年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2008%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2008年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2009年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2009年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2010年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2010%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2010年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="width:100%;" class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="14">2011年至2020年 </th></tr> <tr> <th><b>2011年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2011%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2011年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2012年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2012%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2012年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2013年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2013%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2013年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2014年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2014%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2014年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2015年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2015%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2015年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2016年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2016%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2016年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2017年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2017%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2017年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2018年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2018%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2018年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2019年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2019%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2019年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2020年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2020%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2020年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr></tbody></table> <hr/> <table style="width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <th><b>2021年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2021%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2021年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2022年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B43%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年3月">3</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年4月">4</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年5月">5</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B46%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年6月">6</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年7月">7</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年8月">8</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年9月">9</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年10月">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年11月">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2022%E5%B9%B412%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2022年12月">12</a> </td> <td>月 </td></tr> <tr> <th><b>2023年</b> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2023%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2023年1月">1</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2023%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2023年2月">2</a> </td> <td><a 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title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/傳記">傳記</a>(<tt>bio</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%B6%93%E6%BF%9F%E3%80%81%E8%B2%BF%E6%98%93%E8%88%87%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/經濟、貿易與公司">經濟、貿易與公司</a>(<tt>econ</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E8%88%87%E5%9C%B0%E7%90%86" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/歷史與地理">歷史與地理</a>(<tt>hist</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80%E5%8F%8A%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80%E5%AD%B8" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/語言及語言學">語言及語言學</a>(<tt>lang</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E6%95%B8%E5%AD%B8%E3%80%81%E7%A7%91%E5%AD%B8%E8%88%87%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/數學、科學與科技">數學、科學與科技</a>(<tt>sci</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E5%AA%92%E9%AB%94%E3%80%81%E8%97%9D%E8%A1%93%E8%88%87%E5%BB%BA%E7%AF%89" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/媒體、藝術與建築">媒體、藝術與建築</a>(<tt>media</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E6%94%BF%E6%B2%BB%E3%80%81%E6%94%BF%E5%BA%9C%E8%88%87%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%8B" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/政治、政府與法律">政治、政府與法律</a>(<tt>pol</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E5%AE%97%E6%95%99%E8%88%87%E5%93%B2%E5%AD%B8" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/宗教與哲學">宗教與哲學</a>(<tt>reli</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E3%80%81%E9%AB%94%E8%82%B2%E9%81%8B%E5%8B%95%E8%88%87%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/社會、體育運動與文化">社會、體育運動與文化</a>(<tt>soc</tt>)</li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E8%A8%88%E7%95%AB%E5%B1%A4%E7%B4%9A%E4%B8%BB%E9%A1%8C" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/計畫層級主題">非條目主題</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even hlist" style="width:100%;padding:0px"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E6%A0%BC%E5%BC%8F%E8%88%87%E5%91%BD%E5%90%8D" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/維基百科格式與命名">維基百科格式與命名</a>(<tt>style</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E6%96%B9%E9%87%9D%E8%88%87%E6%8C%87%E5%BC%95" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/維基百科方針與指引">維基百科方針與指引</a>(<tt>policy</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%B0%88%E9%A1%8C%E8%88%87%E5%8D%94%E4%BD%9C" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/維基專題與協作">維基專題與協作</a>(<tt>proj</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80%E8%A1%93%E8%AD%B0%E9%A1%8C%E8%88%87%E6%A8%A1%E6%9D%BF" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/維基百科技術議題與模板">維基百科技術議題與模板</a>(<tt>tech</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E6%8F%90%E8%AD%B0" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/維基百科提議">維基百科提議</a>(<tt>prop</tt>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/%E6%9C%AA%E5%88%86%E9%A1%9E" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/未分類">未分類</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%">提示</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd hlist" style="width:100%;padding:0px"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"><b>要將某一個討論加入上述列表中:</b> <ul><li><span class="wrap">在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E8%A8%8E%E8%AB%96%E9%A0%81" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:討論頁">討論頁</a>中的對應討論章節頂端加上<tt>{{rfc|xxx}}</tt>標籤,其中「xxx」為分類縮寫。各類分類縮寫已列於上方項目中,並應將其插入<code style="border:none;">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code>中。多個分類請使用管道符號分開,如<tt>{{rfc|xxx|yyy}}</tt>,其中「xxx」為第一個分類,「yyy」為第二個分類。</span></li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" 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<p>近期又一管理人員解任投票,甫應用安全投票之新制,技術實務運作尚難稱熟稔;又逢顯著外來干涉及共識形成程序疑慮,遂致前所未有之困窘,亂象叢生、弊端頻出,社群矛盾對峙趨於激烈,此實無庸置疑。與此同時,定期審視更新管理人員任免制度,有助於人才新陳代謝,充實本站進階維護量能。時值仲裁委員會組織籌備停滯之際,「遠水難救近火」,故謹以此話題為首,先行就管理人員任免制度若干既存問題略作檢討,望社群踴躍發表意見。改革路程自不必操之過急,但求氣象有所更新爾。本人謹提出三個大問題,社群可撥冗予以回應,或自行提出其他值得專門討論之問題。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 18:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事"><span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="编辑章节:安全投票問題"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-安全投票問題"></span>目前,本站之管理人員任免案,均採行安全投票制度。安全投票之匿名,優缺點一體兩面,優點在於得脫離現實外力束縛,保障自由表達意見,有助於完整呈現社群意志;缺點則在於幾無制衡極端之手段,如此次投票之若干附言,或因涉及與當事人之私人恩怨,極盡猥瑣下流之能事,對部分群體及特定個人之攻訐、人身攻擊及無理羞辱等暴言(本人不擬重述各種不堪入耳之文字於此,請自行閱讀<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%93%A1%E8%A7%A3%E4%BB%BB%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8/Mys_721tx/%E7%AC%AC2%E6%AC%A1#结果_2" title="Wikipedia:管理員解任投票/Mys 721tx/第2次">相關內容</a>),不僅早已背離解任投票本身形成有效共識之意旨,更遠遠超出社群應容忍之文明底限,而顯難以「可受公評」為藉口。此外,安全投票雖號稱得以防堵大規模公然拉票之威脅,惟迄今其效果不僅有待商榷,而社群因該制度高度封閉之特性,反而難以協助查核投票細節;如此次投票雖有嚴重擾亂之指控,但僅有少數電子郵件等書面證據,社群無法對比既有編輯貢獻,或額外確認許多可疑相關內容。又安全投票長期未能由本地社群完整掌握,須受制於全域社群等客觀限制;投票設定程序繁瑣冗長,更屢生不可抗力之技術問題,若與其他因素疊加,結果甚至可能損及管理人員任免案本身之公信力。安全投票本為預防若干外部勢力之現實威脅而設,此種威脅既已有消退跡象(與本站志趣不合之同志,多已分道揚鑣不復歸),加之以前述安全投票之弊端,雖難謂前述惡意影響蕩然無存(此處須特別強調仍不應低估危險),惟兩相權衡下,認為有酌加商榷該制度應用之必要,至少亦應有些許合理討論。謹嘗試提出問題如下: </p> <dl><dd>一、社群過往執行安全投票,就可自行控制之部分(不包含須迎合全域動態之技術安排等),有何應從速改善之處(如事前人事選定等籌備作業、事後點票及公告程序等)?</dd> <dd>二、社群應是否繼續於管理人員申請及管理員解任投票採行安全投票?或研議若干指標,持續評估是否沿用,乃至於採取行動,制裁投票過程可能出現違反方針與指引之舉?—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-安全投票問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 18:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-安全投票問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818182900","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-\u5b89\u5168\u6295\u7968\u554f\u984c","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819033400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","c-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","c-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-安全投票問題"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>就管理员解任而言,我个人觉得非常有必要返回公开讨论的机制。</dd> <dd>1、安全投票所带来的「隐私」实际弊大于利,共识应当是一个持有不同意见的人互相尝试说服对方的过程,而无法回复他人意见导致事实查核无法有效反驳(例:Bluedeck原话说不至于不限期封禁,在解任界面持续被说成<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r83732983">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif","STFangsong","FangSong",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",TH-Khaai-TP0,TH-Khaai-TP2,TH-Feon-A,楷体,KaiTi,楷体_GB2312,KaiTi_GB2312,FandolKai,华文楷体,STKaiti,TH-Khaai-PP0,TH-Khaai-PP2,Kai,BiauKai,"AR PL UKai CN",標楷體,DFKai-SB,"AR PL UKai HK","AR PL UKai TW",全字庫正楷體,TW-Kai,EUDCKAI,cursive}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic:lang(zh-hant),.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic:lang(zh-hk),.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic:lang(zh-mo),.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic:lang(zh-tw){font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",標楷體,DFKai-SB,"AR PL UKai HK","AR PL UKai TW",BiauKai,Kai,全字庫正楷體,TW-Kai,TH-Khaai-PP0,TH-Khaai-PP2,TH-Khaai-TP0,TH-Khaai-TP2,TH-Feon-A,楷体,KaiTi,楷体_GB2312,KaiTi_GB2312,FandolKai,华文楷体,STKaiti,"AR PL UKai CN",EUDCKAI,cursive}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"「""」""『""』"}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00b684}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00b684}}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">第三方管理员不认同可构成查封理由</q>,而Bluedeck实际上会有限期封禁。)另外,安全投票对于外部影响有混淆的负面效果,如果有人平时没有编辑的突然在解任案上发表意见,则可能是被拉票。公开投票则让社群更能够找出可能影响。</dd> <dd>2、安全投票程序复杂,给志愿者带来不必要的工作</dd> <dd>3、未发现公开讨论有哪些弊端,目前的恶意影响有利用信息不透明的嫌疑,因此不认为站内投票会加强恶意影响。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 02:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819023500","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":[],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240819033400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>1、可自行控制之部分之后基金会可能允许直接在本地维基上举行安全投票,有关要求可以跟基金会提。</dd> <dd>2、安全投票可以保证意见不受干扰,虽然<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%9A%B4%E5%8A%9B%E5%A8%81%E8%83%81" title="Wikipedia:暴力威胁">WP:暴力威胁</a>风险降低,但也有公开表达意见者遭受<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%AA%9A%E6%89%B0" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:骚扰">WP:骚扰</a>的问题,因此社群應繼續採行安全投票。</dd> <dd>3、对于制裁投票過程可能出現违反CIV、PA等投票内容,应该可以宣告辱骂他人等违反方针的投票无效,相信很多人就不会发出违反方针的内容了。必要情况下也可以请求基金会协助,因为技术上还是能找到这个人的。</dd> <dd>4、投票前就可以讨论并尝试达成共识,投票中也仍然可以在站内讨论,也可以回复他人意见。另外也建议公开投票人名单即可找出可能的影响。</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240819033400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 03:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240819033400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819033400","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819033400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819033400","c-SheltonMartin-20240820063100-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819033400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240819033400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800-桐生ここ-20240819033400"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">有公开表达意见者遭受WP:骚扰的问题</q> - 如何证明安全投票减少骚扰,或公开投票骚扰现象会更多? <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800-桐生ここ-20240819033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 11:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800-桐生ここ-20240819033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819111800","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819033400","replies":["c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819130700-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800-桐生ここ-20240819033400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240819130700-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800"></span>使用安全投票,骚扰者不知道你的态度,所以根本不会骚扰你,因为他根本不知道你的意见和他一致还是相反。使用记名投票,骚扰者知道你的选择和他不同,自然可以骚扰你。你维现在也有邮件骚扰这种事。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240819130700-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 13:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240819130700-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819130700","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819130700-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800","replies":["c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819131000-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819130700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240819130700-0xDeadbeef-20240819111800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240819131000-桐生ここ-20240819130700"></span>这个和安全投票防止暴力威胁的原理是差不多的。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240819131000-桐生ここ-20240819130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 13:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240819131000-桐生ここ-20240819130700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819131000","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819131000-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819130700","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240819131700-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819131000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240819131000-桐生ここ-20240819130700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819131700-桐生ここ-20240819131000"></span>并不觉得这种未经证实的事情(你只是提供了「公开投票<i>可能</i>有更多骚扰行为」的解释,你并没有证明这实际上会发生)可以作为以投票代替讨论的理由。共识就应该以讨论来产生,安全投票只会导致原本愿意沟通的人更加两级分裂(参考此次解任案)而对于对方的合理观点不予理会。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240819131700-桐生ここ-20240819131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 13:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819131700-桐生ここ-20240819131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819131700","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240819131700-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819131000","replies":[],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240819131700-桐生ここ-20240819131000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheltonMartin-20240820063100-桐生ここ-20240819033400"></span>附议。甚至之于管理员选举等重要议事事项也未尝不能恢复到公开投票的模式。--<span style="font: 18px Segoe Script;text-shadow:0 1px 5px #bf00bf"><a href="/wiki/User:SheltonMartin" title="User:SheltonMartin"><b>SheltonMartin</b></a></span><span style="font: 10px Segoe Script;text-shadow:0 1px 5px #5C952D"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheltonMartin" title="User talk:SheltonMartin">留言</a>|<a href="/wiki/User:SheltonMartin/Sign" title="User:SheltonMartin/Sign">签名</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SheltonMartin-20240820063100-桐生ここ-20240819033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月20日 (二) 06:31 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheltonMartin-20240820063100-桐生ここ-20240819033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820063100","author":"SheltonMartin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SheltonMartin-20240820063100-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819033400","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800-SheltonMartin-20240820063100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheltonMartin-20240820063100-桐生ここ-20240819033400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800-SheltonMartin-20240820063100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SheltonMartin" title="User:SheltonMartin">SheltonMartin</a>:可否澄清一下此<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">附议</q>是指哪一个留言--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800-SheltonMartin-20240820063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月20日 (二) 12:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800-SheltonMartin-20240820063100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820125800","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800-SheltonMartin-20240820063100","replies":["c-SheltonMartin-20240822023700-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800-SheltonMartin-20240820063100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheltonMartin-20240822023700-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800"></span>您的。--<span style="font: 18px Segoe Script;text-shadow:0 1px 5px #bf00bf"><a href="/wiki/User:SheltonMartin" title="User:SheltonMartin"><b>SheltonMartin</b></a></span><span style="font: 10px Segoe Script;text-shadow:0 1px 5px #5C952D"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheltonMartin" title="User talk:SheltonMartin">留言</a>|<a href="/wiki/User:SheltonMartin/Sign" title="User:SheltonMartin/Sign">签名</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SheltonMartin-20240822023700-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月22日 (四) 02:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheltonMartin-20240822023700-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822023700","author":"SheltonMartin","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SheltonMartin-20240822023700-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheltonMartin-20240822023700-0xDeadbeef-20240820125800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b> 虽然安全投票可以很好地隐藏发言人,并且在结束前无法得知意见,但这也催生了一些可从本次投票窥见的问题。A. 安全投票能保护投票人,可能会有人抱着找不到我的心态投票,导致一些公开投票不会出现的留言;B. 依<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8%E4%B8%8D%E8%83%BD%E4%BB%A3%E6%9B%BF%E8%AE%A8%E8%AE%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:投票不能代替讨论">WP:投票不能代替讨论</a>,隐藏意见对共识的取得是致命的,无疑盲人摸象。就好比辩论双方只能写意见到白板上,裁判喊321同时亮牌子并直接打分。纵观RFA/AFD投票,经常会有人被他人说服后改票。</dd> <dd>直接取消安全投票也可,但我也想了两种不成熟的折中方案,供社群参考,抛砖引玉:</dd> <dd><b><big>先行投票是否启用SecurePoll</big></b></dd> <dd>在依方针举行SecurePoll前,先请各位维基人对是否启用安全投票进行投票。投票完毕后,则按照结果正常执行程序。补充:也可考虑仅允许投票选择投票方式的用户参加正式投票,此举一可以避免群发讨论页信息,二可提前筛选用户。</dd> <dd>安全投票之优势在于避免受他人威胁与保护自我隐私,如果上述二种诉求不强烈,大可采用更便捷的公开投票。缺点则会使过程冗长。</dd> <dd><b><big>自愿隐藏投票者</big></b></dd> <dd>与旧投票方式无异,但是用户可自行选择隐藏投票签名者。目前能想到的办法是请求监督隐藏编辑者用户名?</dd> <dd>优点是便于划无效票,并及时知道他人意见以供参考。缺点则会增加监督工作量。——<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:black;">即请秋安 <b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:black;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#6495ed;">欢迎签名</span></a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月20日 (二) 15:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820155200","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200","c-\u4e00\u53ea\u82e6\u529b\u6015-20240923180300-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"],"displayName":"\u5373\u8bf7\u79cb\u5b89 ZhaoFJx"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"></span>不觉得两方案可行,第一方案在原本SecurePool之上更加浪费时间,而不一定就解决投票代替讨论这一问题。第二方案,首先技术层面上就很难做到,其次也阻止不了“写下歪曲事实或诽谤的意见就走人”这种情况(因为如果实际匿名,那监督员不应知道是谁留下意见,而如果监督员知道所谓匿名的意义也就消失了,与其把扰乱用户揪出来的责任交给监督员不如公开让社群看到是谁)--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 07:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824071900","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900"></span>所以直接取消掉安全投票转公开投票也挺好的,不过还是要看社群共识。对第二个方案我想补充一下,显然不符合事实的投票质询回复来来回回,自然可看出谁有理。而且可以考虑允许监督员作为受信任用户监票并记录,同时在争议情况下综合意见判断特定投票是否有效。——<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:black;">即请秋安 <b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:black;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#6495ed;">欢迎签名</span></a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 09:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824090900","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900","replies":["c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240824173700-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900"],"displayName":"\u5373\u8bf7\u79cb\u5b89 ZhaoFJx"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900-0xDeadbeef-20240824071900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240824173700-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900"></span>我有替代方案就是同时进行公开投票和安全投票,担心有安全风险或遭受暴力威胁骚扰报复的情况下可以登记为安全投票投票人,然后这些人使用安全投票,其他人使用公开投票。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240824173700-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 17:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240824173700-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824173700","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240824173700-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240826071500-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240824173700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240824173700-ZhaoFJx-20240824090900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240826071500-桐生ここ-20240824173700"></span>仍不能避免此制度遭濫用。另一個想法是恢復公開投票,但允許有必要者向第三方行政員(或管理員?)報備後使用未公開分身帳號投票。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240826071500-桐生ここ-20240824173700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月26日 (一) 07:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240826071500-桐生ここ-20240824173700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240826075600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月26日 (一) 07:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240826075600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826075600","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240826153600-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075600","c-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240826075600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240826153600-桐生ここ-20240826075600"></span>某些純粹是道德低下的行為,如果換成公開投票,當事人不見得就敢如此在自己的簽名前面大放厥詞,就算堅持要發,至少也能公開為自己愚蠢的言論負責。我當然亦不會幻想這樣做能解決所有問題,但肯定能解決不少。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240826153600-桐生ここ-20240826075600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月26日 (一) 15:36 (UTC)</a><span style="display: inline-block; height: 1.5em; line-height: 1.5em; text-indent: 0;"><span class="plusone" style="color: #36C; cursor: pointer; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Lato, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;" title="魔琴为此+1了。">+1 </span><span class="plusoners" style="display: none;"><span class="plusoner">魔琴</span></span><span class="plusone-action" style="display: none;">为此+1了。</span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240826153600-桐生ここ-20240826075600"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240826153600-桐生ここ-20240826075600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826153600","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240826153600-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075600","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span></dd> <dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000-桐生ここ-20240826075600"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:敝人在此結合上方「仲裁委員會」相關討論斗膽提出意見。首先個人仍然傾向採行「安全投票」,既然採行此方法的各種用戶投票偏好留言和外部干擾等相關影響難以預期,那麼即便恢復公開討論,也難保可杜絕此類影響,反倒留言的用戶須承擔更多所處地域和立場偏好所帶來的相關風險,而且如果採用公開的途徑檢視或「審視」是否有人趁此機會提出「不公道」或偏頗的留言,個人覺得似乎變成一種對用戶意願或意見偏好進行言論審查的作法,人們反倒因為有所忌憚而無法表達真實偏好,進一步而言,既要人們表達意願,又忌憚於讓人們自在發言或選擇,似有矛盾之處,個人擔心可能導致每個用戶的意見受到壓力終究無法在此時呈現;長久觀之,言論空間會否更為限縮呢?在表達個人真實偏好時,必須「先考慮提出具說服力或相當參考價值的觀點」才敢發言,此種前提會否加諸用戶自我審查的壓力呢?此種壓力是否必要?又或者使偏好表達更趨近於某種「立場正確」的形式?尤其在已經具備激烈爭端,或者就是要表達自身立場偏好的時刻,個人認為值得深思。</dd> <dd>再說投票當下,用戶看不見其他人的留言和意見,投票後的結果,我認為也是眾人各自參考,不論是否滿意,既無法阻止人們從留言意見中尋求個人偏好的自我印證和反饋,也不具備顛覆或改變投票結果的影響力,各種留言反倒可能只是「偏好選擇的順勢表態」而已,我傾向認為他人既不須陳義過高,也不須全盤認可。反而對身處爭議的相關當事人而言,是否在此可能遭受他們認為「不公允評價」的過程中,受到不必要的惡意對待?社群是否提供當事人為自己發聲、澄清、闡明或如何自述的機會,以降低不必要的負面影響?個人認為或許在相關頁面中,投票結束後,可以提供<b>當事人自我表達</b>或社群協助點明顯然不妥當惡意留言的機會。</dd> <dd>個人會認為,在不受拘束、自由表達的前提下,其實用戶發言的自我克制,可能是更值得被期待的。人們是否在意自身發言內容所抱持的心態和出發點,以及對他人的影響?無法一以概之或強求,但或許可以期許有些人會多一點考量,這有待時間驗證。因此,敝人的想法是,可以考慮增設一種象徵性的權限,名稱大致是<b>「社群事務協調員」</b>之類,定義為:<b>「於平台活動和事務中可與其他用戶協作,於社群事務所表達言論和觀點對社群關注的公共命題具相當程度參考性,惟不具有其他顯明特殊、站務或社群事務權限。」</b>而現正規劃的「仲裁委員會」往後(比如此次選舉以後)或可參酌此權限,甚至採機動編組,應實際案件需求組成。「社群事務協調員」的用戶參選資格不高於「仲裁委員會」,投票資格依現行規定,「社群事務協調員」內容大致如下: <dl><dd>1.所有社群成員互相投票,形式可參照先前的「全域社群事務協調員」(好像是這個名稱),但更為簡化,用戶可自行選擇是否對他人發問或應答他人問題。每年一選,員額可以「<b>社群當下具投票資格用戶的1%</b>」之類訂定(比如3000人取30名、3500人取35名等),換言之在第一次選完後,往後每年隨社群用戶人數增加按比例新增增補員額。</dd> <dd>2.持權狀態同於其他站務權限,而除權條件為自行卸任除權、辭職、不活躍(一樣不活動半年),或經客棧討論達共識除權。</dd> <dd>3.選出的協調員名單,為<b>「仲裁委員會編組候選名單」</b>,仲裁員名額和組成型態可依往後編組組成前所獲共識,或者按照現行共識也行,也就是往後可能機動調整當下的實際編制之類。</dd> <dd>4.具管理員資格的用戶為協調員<b>當然當選人員</b>,可不列入協調員候選名單;其他用戶依所獲票數高低依序入選。</dd> <dd>5.當(第一次或往後)仲裁委員會編組成立後,仲裁員編組有效期限可依現行共識,或於案件結束後解散。</dd> <dd>6.往後增補的協調員所獲票數,列入既有的協調員當選名單排序。</dd> <dd>7.下一次仲裁委員會編組成立前,可從既有協調員名單中參照用戶得票數高低,直接在徵詢當事人意願後,列入委員會編組或候選名單,往後的歷任仲裁委員會編組組成依此類推。隨著舊有協調員是否有意願、逐漸淡出、不活躍或不適任,自然可依名單往後逐名參考或徵詢「仲裁委員會」人選。</dd> <dd>8.自然情形下,名單所列協調員可能逐漸增加。</dd></dl></dd> <dd>個人傾向所有曾經或現在在此社群活動的用戶,其編輯等活動可得到或許某種相對持平的階段性評價,也或許可以某種程度降低「仲裁委員會」會否因「可能具備太大影響力」引起用戶間的忌憚,畢竟如果此機制的成形和實現成為「另一個具特殊效果爭執標的的開端」,對社群相關當事人和往後用戶產生其他各種影響,美意不盡完整呈現就比較可惜了。個人意見,稍顯冗胖,供參。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kriz_Ju" title="User:Kriz Ju">Kriz Ju</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kriz_Ju" title="User talk:Kriz Ju">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000-桐生ここ-20240826075600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月4日 (三) 17:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000-桐生ここ-20240826075600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904170000","author":"Kriz Ju","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075600","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000-桐生ここ-20240826075600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kriz_Ju" title="User:Kriz Ju">Kriz Ju</a>: 我仔细读完你的留言,我只能说我没看到你对于安全投票相对于公开投票的好处说出了个所以然。如果你想回复我这里的话我希望你能够提供一个完备点的逻辑(因为X,所以Y,所以安全投票比公开投票好)</dd> <dd>对于为什么我个人认为公开投票会好,我上面已经写下了我自己的理由,其中主要有提到秘密投票<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">无法回复他人意见导致事实查核无法有效反驳</q>、公开投票<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">让社群更能够找出可能[拉票]影响</q>、<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">安全投票程序复杂</q>、<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">不认为站内投票会加强恶意影响</q>等论点。</dd> <dd>那你这里有提到对于公开投票下<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">言论空间会否更为限缩</q>这一论点我想回应的是:不应假设「言论自由」就是好的。从公开投票和秘密投票的留言对比之下可以看到,秘密投票下留言更多存在不尊重其他编者、不文明、嘲讽、阴阳怪气的行为。我姑且认为这是因为秘密投票导致无法查询到发言人,所以大家可以畅所欲言,展现出人性丑陋的一面,但这就是好的吗?维基百科是什么地方?是大家合作写百科全书的地方。而畅所欲言的「言论自由」有助于编者合作吗?有助于社群风气吗?我认为没有。为什么维基百科需要有文明方针,限制「言论自由」?因为维基百科不是能够接纳任何人的地方。对于那些一直不尊重其他编者,颠倒事实的人,我们有必要请他离开我们社群。所以: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">在表达个人真实偏好时,必须“先考虑提出具说服力或相当参考价值的观点”才敢发言,此种前提会否加诸用户自我审查的压力呢</q> - 我认为此压力是好的。对社群风气有正面影响。</dd> <dd>对于你想推行的事务协调员我自己只能看完觉得太麻烦。而且对于你所在的讨论串公开讨论和秘密投票的讨论无关。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月6日 (五) 15:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800-Kriz_Ju-20240904170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:0xDeadbeef">0xDeadbeef閣下</a>切入的視角是否全然一致。個人認為,雖然乍看是如您所說言論自由的相關命題,這肯定沒錯;而就個人所見以及隨後的衍生觀點,這是個小有複雜的命題,我認為這涉及幾個面向,是包括言論自由與規管、人身安全、公眾言論的影響力和傳播效果、社群行為與文化、社群爭端和價值衝突、授權信任的基礎以及可能的社群永續經營等面向構成的系統性命題。恕敝人暫無才學和心力一一對以上項目細論並提供確切的科學客觀理據。退一步而言,是否公開投票、利弊如何、留言標準守則等事宜,端視眾人意見,比較簡便的辦法或許也可以在發言頁面加註個比如「請注意文明發言和社群守則」之類的警語即可(不論該頁面是否在第一時間公開),而且技術上應該也可以找到留言的使用者(必要性姑且不論)。至於您關切的焦點,個人在上方也已經提出看法乃至針對問題的具體作為,也純粹對於以上涉及命題面向提出發想,無意企圖證明什麼,這也並非一般自然科學命題,更多時候我認為是一種綜合性的選擇評估,當然也是隨人好惡參看,所以是否符合您的論證模式和喜好,就恕敝人由人隨意看看、隨喜心證了。感謝撥冗。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kriz_Ju" title="User:Kriz Ju">Kriz Ju</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kriz_Ju" title="User talk:Kriz Ju">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月8日 (日) 12:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908122300","author":"Kriz Ju","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300-0xDeadbeef-20240906151800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">技术上应该也可以找到留言的用户</q> 你是指安全投票?据我所知,安全投票完全匿名,无法从留言找到用户,于是才会有人身攻击等乱象。</dd> <dd>我并非要将此作为多么严肃的命题来探讨,我知道里面包含很多不同元素,但我仅仅认为你所提出的理由不完整足以说明为何RFDA应当需要保留安全投票而已,不过既然你也不愿意继续讨论具体理由,那就罢了。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月13日 (五) 09:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100-Kriz_Ju-20240908122300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005165200-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005165200","author":"Kriz Ju","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Kriz_Ju-20241005165200-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005165200-0xDeadbeef-20240913092100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-诗琳童-20240930204600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500"></span>閣下所言“未公開身分帳號”,或者編輯次數不達標帳號,若沒資格進行管理員存廢之安全投票,那麼該用戶能自行投票嗎?投票用戶不是系統篩選出的符合資質之用戶而後發出的邀請通知嗎?所以我不明白不符合投票的人如何能進行安全投票,此事如果可能,當不會現在才存在和發生。 <ul><li>另外,安全投票既然是之前的既定存在,必是前人多年經驗和智慧之結晶,也是經過審慎討論的。實行多年,現在為何就不合理了?當初都知道有公開投票,為何搞出安全投票,必是因為要解決出現的問題和隱患,那麼現在這些問題就不存在了嗎?正如已經有人提到的那樣,說白了,管理員是人,或許發生官官相護、與某交情相投之類事,即便投票人有百分之一二可能招致報復類對待,也是應該考量的,這是民主制度人性化思維方式。我記得,在安全投票之前,對於該管理員的爭議討論是有很充分的雙方意見交流展示的,關心社群的人想必大多都知道,罷免相關管理員的呼聲也並非這一次。以此次事件為例,主要提議罷免的用戶,之所以提出罷免,實在是相關管理員在多次爭議溝通後不能改進並且讓提議者看不到誠意,嚴重挫傷了社群的積極性。那麼,在此種長期無法溝通解決的磋磨下,就剩下一個公投了結。不可迴避,如若一個管理員在位時剛愎自用盛氣凌人甚至歧視弱小,他必然是覺得有同夥撐腰而勢大不可動搖,大多數反感之人考慮自身得失恐怕只得沈默,而安全投票恰恰給予了沈默多數一個機會。社群的真實聲音才得以釋放,這對於管理員和管理層是個提醒。靠疑心拉票來質疑安全投票的結果並無意義和根據,如果存在此類事,公開投票就不存在了嘛?</li> <li>還記得約三年前曾在社群裡很活躍的一群人,動輒就琢磨更改規則的某些人,有朝一日在維基上層高管整治後暴露了很多問題。過去我們小編只能心中懷疑而沒根據批評的事,都成了真。那些人被清理出去了,維基平靜了一段時間。少了些中共的水軍就少了破壞性導致的消耗戰。那時候,如果社群能正常實施罷免之權力,及時限制不合格之人的權限,那麼就不會發生大面積清退的事情,也不會有人被誤打。當時也有人遺憾,覺得應該有個機制給予一些人機會。須知天理循環,蔑視別人機會,以狹隘之心對待社群用戶之管理者,必遭反噬。與其想改變安全投票之規則,不如加強管理人員的測評機制,在一定時間內打分,幾次分數不高,就降級或解職。因為有降級的過程,對上進者是個提醒,也是改正之機會。因為現實世界不在一個水平面,中國大陸與世界民主制度為敵,大陸網絡封鎖,而翻牆出來的管理人員本身的安全性以及對他人的安全性都與其他自由國度不同,為保障社群真實的聲音,對管理者經常進行群眾測評,德賢之人上,狹隘之人下,這才能讓維基百科不離初心。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E8%AF%97%E7%90%B3%E7%AB%A5" title="User:诗琳童">Nice-walker</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%AF%97%E7%90%B3%E7%AB%A5" title="User talk:诗琳童">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-诗琳童-20240930204600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月30日 (一) 20:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-诗琳童-20240930204600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930204600","author":"\u8bd7\u7433\u7ae5","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-\u8bd7\u7433\u7ae5-20240930204600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500","replies":[],"displayName":"Nice-walker"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-诗琳童-20240930204600-Ericliu1912-20240826071500"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-一只苦力怕-20240923180300-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"></span>我同意阁下的提议,但是无论用什么方式隐藏投票人的用户名都应该不会立即生效(监督员不可能在有人投票后立即隐藏他的用户名)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%AA%E8%8B%A6%E5%8A%9B%E6%80%95" title="User:一只苦力怕">Wikipedia_Creeper</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%AA%E8%8B%A6%E5%8A%9B%E6%80%95" title="User talk:一只苦力怕">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-一只苦力怕-20240923180300-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月23日 (一) 18:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-一只苦力怕-20240923180300-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923180300","author":"\u4e00\u53ea\u82e6\u529b\u6015","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u4e00\u53ea\u82e6\u529b\u6015-20240923180300-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikipedia_Creeper"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-一只苦力怕-20240923180300-ZhaoFJx-20240820155200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240909013900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>似乎有人提出匿名投票能够自由表达意见,那么能否在投票期以前用SP或者其他途径匿名征集意见? ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240909013900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月9日 (一) 01:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240909013900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909013900","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240911042800-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900","c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900","c-\u9b54\u7434-20240924021800-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900"],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240909013900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042800-魔琴-20240909013900"></span>這讓我想到應開放亮票(可自由選擇)。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240911042800-魔琴-20240909013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 04:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042800-魔琴-20240909013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911042800","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240911042800-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042800-魔琴-20240909013900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300-魔琴-20240909013900"></span>我个人没法想象有哪些只能匿名投票表达的意见而公开投票无法表达的。有例子吗?</dd> <dd>还是说,有人会因为无法匿名就无法表达意见,那我很好奇这样的人是出于什么原因,这些原因是因为投票程序本身,还是此人的个人因素?--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300-魔琴-20240909013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月13日 (五) 09:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300-魔琴-20240909013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913092300","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20240913151800-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300-魔琴-20240909013900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20240913151800-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300"></span>这种例子恐怕不少,只是投票意见的正当性在匿名后更难审视,但意见也会更大胆。想到一种极端情况,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IBAN">交互禁制</a>是否会干涉投票意见与程序,您觉得那些当事人有哪些权利。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20240913151800-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月13日 (五) 15:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20240913151800-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913151800","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20240913151800-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300","replies":[],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20240913151800-0xDeadbeef-20240913092300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240924021800-魔琴-20240909013900"></span>出处是<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:%E7%94%B3%E8%AF%B7%E6%88%90%E4%B8%BA%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E4%BA%BA%E5%91%98#c-Temp3600-20240323034300-SunAfterRain-20240331114100" title="Wikipedia talk:申请成为管理人员">Wikipedia talk:申请成为管理人员#c-Temp3600-20240323034300-SunAfterRain-20240331114100</a>,和记忆中的有点偏差。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/up" class="mw-redirect" title="User:魔琴/up"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240924021800-魔琴-20240909013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月24日 (二) 02:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240924021800-魔琴-20240909013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924021800","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240924021800-\u9b54\u7434-20240909013900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240924021800-魔琴-20240909013900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-安全投票問題"></span>对于离任转为公开讨论已公示,见下方。关于RFA是否应该回到公开讨论,个人认为须继续讨论,比如是否在管理员选举流程下附加自由提名公开讨论流程(英维目前在尝试的做法)或是直接废除以安全投票来管理员选举这一流程,完全回到过去的公开讨论?<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-安全投票問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-安全投票問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918110400","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-\u5b89\u5168\u6295\u7968\u554f\u984c","replies":["c-MykolaHK-20240922164900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-安全投票問題"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MykolaHK-20240922164900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>考慮到<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IBAN">WP:IBAN</a>,或許可以先采亮票,如有問題再采安全投票也行--<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:MykolaHK" title="User:MykolaHK">Mykola</a></span>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MykolaHK" title="User talk:MykolaHK">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-MykolaHK-20240922164900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 16:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MykolaHK-20240922164900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922164900","author":"MykolaHK","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MykolaHK-20240922164900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":["c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170900-MykolaHK-20240922164900","c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-MykolaHK-20240922164900"],"displayName":"Mykola"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MykolaHK-20240922164900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170900-MykolaHK-20240922164900"></span>個人確實無意見,以最適當形式即可。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kriz_Ju" title="User:Kriz Ju">Kriz Ju</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kriz_Ju" title="User talk:Kriz Ju">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170900-MykolaHK-20240922164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月5日 (六) 17:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170900-MykolaHK-20240922164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005170900","author":"Kriz Ju","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170900-MykolaHK-20240922164900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170900-MykolaHK-20240922164900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-MykolaHK-20240922164900"></span>恐怕目前首要折衷辦法確實還是亮票。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-MykolaHK-20240922164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月14日 (一) 06:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-MykolaHK-20240922164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014063700","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-MykolaHK-20240922164900","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-MykolaHK-20240922164900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="RFDA转为公开讨论" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFDA转为公开讨论-安全投票問題-20240918110400"><span id="RFDA.E8.BD.AC.E4.B8.BA.E5.85.AC.E5.BC.80.E8.AE.A8.E8.AE.BA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFDA转为公开讨论-安全投票問題-20240918110400"></span>RFDA转为公开讨论<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFDA转为公开讨论-安全投票問題-20240918110400"></span></h4><span 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.left-aligned{text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .right-aligned{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .center-aligned{text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .quotebox cite{display:block;font-style:normal}@media all and (max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .quotebox{width:100%!important;margin:0 0 .8em!important;float:none!important}}</style><div class="quotebox archive-top-result" style="float: right; clear: right; margin: 0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em;width:30%; padding: 6px; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 88%; background-color: #F9F9F9;"><div class="" style="background-color: var(--background-color-disabled,#C3C3C3);color: var(--color-base,#000); text-align: center; font-size: larger; font-weight: bold;">不通過</div><div class="" style="position: relative; text-align: left;">暫未有共識之提議。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241026214100-RFDA转为公开讨论" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月26日 (六) 21:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214100-RFDA转为公开讨论"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241026214100","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241026214100-RFDA\u8f6c\u4e3a\u516c\u5f00\u8ba8\u8bba","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214100-RFDA转为公开讨论"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-RFDA转为公开讨论"></span>下列討論已經關閉,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83933911"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red"><b>請勿修改。</b></span>如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl> <hr/> <p>因<a href="#安全投票問題">以上</a>讨论已对管理员解任投票回到公开讨论取得共识,且讨论已达30日,现以<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:7DAYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:7DAYS">WP:7DAYS</a>为此变动公示。 </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%93%A1%E7%9A%84%E9%9B%A2%E4%BB%BB" title="Wikipedia:管理員的離任">维基百科:管理员的离任</a>: </p> <table class="skin-invert" style="width:100%; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr> <td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #ECFCF4; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>現行條文</big></dt></dl> <p><span style="font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: bold; display: block; margin-top: 0.3em; padding-top: 0.5em;"> 解任程序 </span> </p><p>[..] </p> <ul><li>准备:在联署通过后,开始进行安全投票的准备程序。同时,被解任人有5天的答辩期,对于解任申请中指出的问题进行答辩。被解任人(或他许可的其他用户)可以整理答辩内容,并置于解任理由之下,这些内容不被折叠。如果被解任人在5天内没有答辩,被视为无答辩意见,不過仍可以继续發表意見。</li> <li>投票:安全投票开启后,应至少持续二週。符合<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%BA%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%BB%E5%85%8D%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8%E8%B3%87%E6%A0%BC" title="Wikipedia:人事任免投票資格">人事任免投票資格</a>者(不包括被解任人)可以投支持票(同意解任)或反对票(反对解任),投票人需在留言框按照指定格式投票并给出理由。投票期间,投票者可以随时改变自己的决定,其态度按投票截止时为准。重复投票和傀儡投票将被视为无效票。 <ul><li>监票:若本地有两名或以上<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%9B%91%E7%9D%A3%E5%91%98" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:监督员">监督员</a>在安全投票开始前表示愿意监票,则由愿意执行监票工作的监督员与其他<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%9B%91%E7%AE%A1%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:监管员">监管员</a>共同协助监票。若本地能够执行监票工作的监督员不足两人,则由监管员独自负责监票。</li></ul></li> <li>計票和评估:在投票時間結束后,由监票者計算出得票比率。有效表決的最低總有效票數為25票。如總有效票數低於25票,則不論結果如何,均視為解任案不通過。若總有效票數達至少25票,且支持解任票數多於一半者,則投票通過。惟懷疑投票結果被作弊或其它不恰當行為嚴重影響,可由行政員討論決定該次投票是否有效。 <ul><li>解除权限:投票结果为解任时,則由行政员除權或将社群的共识提报给<a href="/wiki/%E5%85%83%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA" title="元维基">元维基</a>,申请解除该管理人员的权限。</li></ul></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td><td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #F9F9F9; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>提議條文</big></dt></dl> <p><span style="font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: bold; display: block; margin-top: 0.3em; padding-top: 0.5em;"> 解任程序 </span> </p><p>[..] </p> <ul><li>准备:在联署通过后,被解任人有5天的答辩期,对于解任申请中指出的问题进行答辩。被解任人(或他许可的其他用户)可以整理答辩内容,并置于解任理由之下,这些内容不被折叠。如果被解任人在5天内没有答辩,被视为无答辩意见,不過仍可以继续發表意見。</li> <li>投票:答辩期过后,进入投票程序。投票期为14天,符合<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%BA%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%BB%E5%85%8D%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8%E8%B3%87%E6%A0%BC" title="Wikipedia:人事任免投票資格">人事任免投票資格</a>者(不包括被解任人)可以投支持票(同意解任)或反对票(反对解任),也可以在讨论区发表意见,<b>无论支持票还是反对票,投票人需给出理由</b>。联署人自动计为支持解任,但仍可以在投票期间改变意向。投票者可以在投票期间随时改变自己的决定,其态度按投票期结束时为准。重复投票和傀儡投票将被视为无效票。</li> <li>計票和评估:有效表決的最低總有效票數為25票。如總有效票數低於25票,則不論結果如何,均視為解任案不通過。若總有效票數達至少25票,且支持解任票數多於一半者,則投票通過。惟懷疑投票結果被作弊或其它不恰當行為嚴重影響,可由行政員討論決定該次投票是否有效。 <ul><li>解除权限:投票结果为解任时,則由行政员除權或将社群的共识提报给<a href="/wiki/%E5%85%83%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA" title="元维基">元维基</a>,申请解除该管理人员的权限。</li></ul></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><s><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> <b>公示7日,2024年9月25日 (三) 11:04 (UTC)結束</b> <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) 2024年9月18日 (三) 11:04 (UTC)</s> <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> <b>暫停公示</b>:用户请求暂停公示以便讨论——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-RFDA转为公开讨论" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 00:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400-RFDA转为公开讨论"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-SCP-2000-20240918113900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>假設騷擾及拉票的情形出現(e.g. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%93%A1%E8%A7%A3%E4%BB%BB%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8/Mys_721tx/%E7%AC%AC1%E6%AC%A1#請求使用SecurePoll" title="Wikipedia talk:管理員解任投票/Mys 721tx/第1次">Mys 721tx 第一次 RFDA</a>),那社群應如何在沒有安全投票的情況下應對?當然,幸運地當時有管理員願意封禁,但不幸地情況無法控制又如何處理?再者,既然可預見仲裁委員會將於不久的未來成立,或許會否交由他們決定需否在特定情況下使用安全投票?謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20240918113900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20240918113900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918113900","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20240918113900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800-SCP-2000-20240918113900"],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20240918113900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800-SCP-2000-20240918113900"></span>该怎么应对就怎么应对啊。这个讨论与投票是否公开好像没有太大的联系,请问转为开放投票会造成更大的骚扰/拉票影响吗?(公开的拉票影响大家都能看到,相对来说能处理,而不公开投票则是有站外影响可能无法处理的考虑)另外上方「其他意见」章节已有讨论仲委会是否应有主持投票事宜的权力,但是估计共识认定仲委会没有这个权力。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800-SCP-2000-20240918113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800-SCP-2000-20240918113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20240919152800-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 15:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20240919152800-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919152800","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20240919152800-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240919231600-SCP-2000-20240919152800"],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20240919152800-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240919231600-SCP-2000-20240919152800"></span>有道理,那么确实需要更多讨论。我现在在手机端,如果有人方便的话帮忙撤下公示继续讨论。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240919231600-SCP-2000-20240919152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 23:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240919231600-SCP-2000-20240919152800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919231600","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240919231600-SCP-2000-20240919152800","replies":[],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240919231600-SCP-2000-20240919152800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peacearth-20240919163900-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800"></span>「不公開投票則是有站外影響可能無法處理的考慮」,公開投票也是會有同樣的問題啊(比如以往尚未引入安全投票的RFA/RFDA)。當年引入安全投票也是因為有些人認為可以減輕站外影響的問題,因為站外有意影響投票的勢力更能夠藉由公開投票去「確保」各個特定用戶是否真去照他們的動員投下了「支持」或「反對」。以往此類案例並不少見,甚至也有過用戶反應因為其公開投票時的表態不合某站外人士的心意,被施壓威脅而划票改票的情形出現。具體案例我就不說了,為了保障相關人士的隱私和安全,但相信經歷過當年情況的很多社群成員會知道我所指為何事。-<a href="/wiki/User:Peacearth" title="User:Peacearth"><b>Peacearth</b></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peacearth" title="User talk:Peacearth">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Peacearth-20240919163900-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 16:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peacearth-20240919163900-0xDeadbeef-20240918114800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240918114000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240918114000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918114000","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240918114000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900-\u9b54\u7434-20240918114000"],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240918114000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900-魔琴-20240918114000"></span>与这个讨论串关系不是很大,可以单独开一个章节讨论。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900-魔琴-20240918114000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900-魔琴-20240918114000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918114900","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900-\u9b54\u7434-20240918114000","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210100-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900-魔琴-20240918114000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240919210100-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900"></span>如果社群认为Mys解任案反映了RfDA有问题,那么明显Mys解任案是有问题的。有问题就应该重审。所以和本讨论串应该是相关的。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/up" class="mw-redirect" title="User:魔琴/up"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240919210100-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 21:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240919210100-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919210100","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210100-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240919210100-0xDeadbeef-20240918114900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hehua-20240918131000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>是否应就此事咨询WMF T&amp;S?--<span style="color: #66CCFF;"><b>在下</b></span><a href="/wiki/User:Hehua" title="User:Hehua"><span style="color: #16982B;"><b>荷花</b></span></a>,<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hehua" title="User talk:Hehua"><b>请多指教</b></a>(<a href="/wiki/User:Hehua/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D%E5%A2%99" title="User:Hehua/签名墙"><span style="color: #FF8033;"><b>欢迎签到</b></span></a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hehua-20240918131000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 13:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hehua-20240918131000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918131000","author":"Hehua","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hehua-20240918131000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400-Hehua-20240918131000"],"displayName":"\u8377\u82b1"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hehua-20240918131000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400-Hehua-20240918131000"></span>当初社群以OA2021为由为RFA使用安全投票,又后来决定RFDA也同样使用安全投票,而这些决议只有OA2021是与T&amp;S相关,后面两个据我看来好像都是社群自己推行,所以个人也不认为这个提案需要咨询。如果认为有需要,还请哪位愿意的去通知一下吧。--<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400-Hehua-20240918131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 14:24 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400-Hehua-20240918131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918142400","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400-Hehua-20240918131000","replies":["c-Hehua-20240920030600-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400-Hehua-20240918131000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hehua-20240920030600-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400"></span>已咨询基金会意见,不过应当不影响提案的讨论。--<span style="color: #66CCFF;"><b>在下</b></span><a href="/wiki/User:Hehua" title="User:Hehua"><span style="color: #16982B;"><b>荷花</b></span></a>,<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hehua" title="User talk:Hehua"><b>请多指教</b></a>(<a href="/wiki/User:Hehua/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D%E5%A2%99" title="User:Hehua/签名墙"><span style="color: #FF8033;"><b>欢迎签到</b></span></a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hehua-20240920030600-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 03:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hehua-20240920030600-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920030600","author":"Hehua","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hehua-20240920030600-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8377\u82b1"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hehua-20240920030600-0xDeadbeef-20240918142400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240919125200-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>建议同时进行安全投票和公开投票,希望安全投票的人可以登记为安全投票投票人。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240919125200-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 12:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240919125200-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919125200","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240919125200-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":["c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240919125400-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240919125200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240919125200-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240919125400-桐生ここ-20240919125200"></span>另外既然RFDA被一些人认为不能使用安全投票,那么RFA是否也应该讨论是否继续使用安全投票?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240919125400-桐生ここ-20240919125200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 12:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240919125400-桐生ここ-20240919125200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919125400","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240919125400-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240919125200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240919125400-桐生ここ-20240919125200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240919210000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>技术性<span class="zhwpVoteOppose skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:pink;color:red;">(-)</span><b>反对</b>,应该等通告发完至少一周。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/up" class="mw-redirect" title="User:魔琴/up"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240919210000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 21:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240919210000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919210000","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240919210000-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sanmosa-20240921232500-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>我對於RFDA廢除SecurePoll持保留態度。<a href="/wiki/User:Sanmosa" title="User:Sanmosa">San</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanmosa" title="User talk:Sanmosa">mo</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sanmosa" title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">sa</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/%E6%AB%BB%E6%AB%BB%E7%BE%8E%E4%BB%A3%E5%AD%90" title="櫻櫻美代子">Miyamoto Miyoko</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Sanmosa-20240921232500-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 23:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-20240921232500-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921232500","author":"Sanmosa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sanmosa-20240921232500-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":[],"displayName":"San"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sanmosa-20240921232500-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span></dd> <dd><span class="zhwpVoteOppose skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:pink;color:red;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>(-)</span><b>反对</b>废除安全投票,废除安全投票会导致骚扰问题等担忧。且很难解释为什么RFA要安全投票,RFDA就不需要安全投票。WMF的选举都是安全投票也说明了安全投票的一些优势。--<a href="/wiki/User:AnnaBeiyan" title="User:AnnaBeiyan">AnnaBeiyan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnnaBeiyan" title="User talk:AnnaBeiyan">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 03:59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922035900","author":"AnnaBeiyan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240922040500-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20240922040500-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900"></span>我在站外看到有人對Mys被罷免很不滿,不知道是不是這個原因。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20240922040500-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 04:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20240922040500-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922040500","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240922040500-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20240922040500-AnnaBeiyan-20240922035900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240922130800-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>本人雖支持恢復公開投票,卻亦認為相關共識未至充足。茲事體大,本不應如此隨意。本人尤其注意到有關仲裁委員會之討論及此話題,均有推進公示操之過急之現象,是否對社群有益,恐須特加商榷。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240922130800-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 13:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240922130800-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月24日 (二) 12:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240924121100-Ericliu1912-20240922130800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924121100","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240924121100-Ericliu1912-20240922130800","replies":[],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240924121100-Ericliu1912-20240922130800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240927001700-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"></span>其实投票之前就可以讨论尝试互相说服对方,投票只是最终表决,安全投票和普通投票没有什么差异。如果认为安全投票影响讨论,不如取消投票,改成无限期讨论。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240927001700-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月27日 (五) 00:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240927001700-0xDeadbeef-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="h-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重-安全投票問題-20240919210500"></span>若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重新投票<span data-mw-comment-end="h-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重-安全投票問題-20240919210500"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="编辑章节:若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重新投票"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r84687315"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r64637320"><div class="quotebox archive-top-result" style="float: right; clear: right; margin: 0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em;width:30%; padding: 6px; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 88%; background-color: #F9F9F9;"><div class="" style="background-color: var(--background-color-disabled,#C3C3C3);color: var(--color-base,#000); text-align: center; font-size: larger; font-weight: bold;">不通過</div><div class="" style="position: relative; text-align: left;">顯未有共識之提議。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月14日 (一) 06:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014063700","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-\u82e5RfDA\u8f6c\u4e3a\u516c\u5f00\u8ba8\u8bba\uff0cMys_721tx\u7b2c\u4e8c\u6b21\u89e3\u4efb\u6848\u662f\u5426\u5e94\u5ba3\u5e03\u65e0\u6548\u91cd","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241014063700-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240919210500-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重"></span>下列討論已經關閉,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83933911"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red"><b>請勿修改。</b></span>如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl> <hr/> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%94%B3%E8%AF%B7%E6%88%90%E4%B8%BA%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98/%E5%92%8C%E5%B9%B3%E5%A5%AE%E9%AC%A5%E6%95%91%E5%9C%B0%E7%90%83/%E7%AC%AC3%E6%AC%A1#c-鱼头炮-2020-12-26T13:50:00.000Z-反對" title="Wikipedia:申请成为管理员/和平奮鬥救地球/第3次">屁股</a>声明:本次RfDA未投票。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/up" class="mw-redirect" title="User:魔琴/up"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240919210500-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 21:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240919210500-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919210500","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210500-\u82e5RfDA\u8f6c\u4e3a\u516c\u5f00\u8ba8\u8bba\uff0cMys_721tx\u7b2c\u4e8c\u6b21\u89e3\u4efb\u6848\u662f\u5426\u5e94\u5ba3\u5e03\u65e0\u6548\u91cd","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210500","c-Ericliu1912-20240922130500-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210500"],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240919210500-若RfDA转为公开讨论,Mys_721tx第二次解任案是否应宣布无效重"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200-魔琴-20240919210500"></span>赞成,且该解任案是RFDA投票中唯一使用安全投票的。——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200-魔琴-20240919210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 14:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200-魔琴-20240919210500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240922113900-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 11:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240922113900-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922113900","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240922113900-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20240922130900-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240922113900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240922113900-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240922130900-桐生ここ-20240922113900"></span>明显目前为止的安全RfA没有如此案一样有<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">若干附言,或因涉及与当事人之私人恩怨,极尽猥琐下流之能事,对部分群体及特定个人之攻讦、人身攻击及无理羞辱等暴言</q>;解任投票中,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">无法回复他人意见导致事实查核无法有效反驳</q>所带来的危害远比管理员选举来得大。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/up" class="mw-redirect" title="User:魔琴/up"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240922130900-桐生ここ-20240922113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 13:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240922130900-桐生ここ-20240922113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922130900","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240922130900-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240922113900","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240922131300-\u9b54\u7434-20240922130900"],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240922130900-桐生ここ-20240922113900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20240922131300-魔琴-20240922130900"></span>安全rfa也有不文明的留言的。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20240922131300-魔琴-20240922130900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 13:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20240922131300-魔琴-20240922130900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922131300","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240922131300-\u9b54\u7434-20240922130900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20240922131300-魔琴-20240922130900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20240922115100-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200"></span>開玩笑呢,有誰想讓mys繼續當管理員,明說就好了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20240922115100-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 11:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20240922115100-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922115100","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240922115100-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20240922115100-ZhaoFJx-20240921141200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240922130500-魔琴-20240919210500"></span>「法不溯及既往」,社群彰顯意志,固然其間程序及執行問題頗多,仍不宜隨意否認。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240922130500-魔琴-20240919210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 13:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240922130500-魔琴-20240919210500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922130500","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240922130500-\u9b54\u7434-20240919210500","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20240922131000-Ericliu1912-20240922130500"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240922130500-魔琴-20240919210500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20240922131000-Ericliu1912-20240922130500"></span>然。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/up" class="mw-redirect" title="User:魔琴/up"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240922131000-Ericliu1912-20240922130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 13:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240922131000-Ericliu1912-20240922130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922131000","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240922131000-Ericliu1912-20240922130500","replies":["c-Lily135-20240922151600-\u9b54\u7434-20240922131000"],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240922131000-Ericliu1912-20240922130500"></span> <dl><dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lily135-20240922151600-魔琴-20240922131000"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>會檢討就是因為要把實際執行過程發現有缺失的部分做檢討並予以改善,如果宣布解任投票無效,那去年10月的投票是否也要無效計算?畢竟<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/2024%E5%B9%B4%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E4%BA%BA%E5%93%A1%E5%88%B6%E5%BA%A6%E6%94%B9%E9%9D%A9" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/2024年管理人員制度改革">Wikipedia:徵求意見/2024年管理人員制度改革</a>就是去年選舉結束時的產物。與其在弄一次RFDA,還不如看現在或明年4月管理員選舉,當事人是否願意參選管理員一職。<a href="/wiki/User:Lily135" title="User:Lily135">Lily135</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lily135" title="User talk:Lily135">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Lily135-20240922151600-魔琴-20240922131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月22日 (日) 15:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lily135-20240922151600-魔琴-20240922131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922151600","author":"Lily135","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Lily135-20240922151600-\u9b54\u7434-20240922131000","replies":["c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170100-Lily135-20240922151600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lily135-20240922151600-魔琴-20240922131000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170100-Lily135-20240922151600"></span>已經過完整討論和投票,敝人認為似乎不宜也不須再持續進行上一次效果的探究。若總如此,將反覆混亂。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kriz_Ju" title="User:Kriz Ju">Kriz Ju</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kriz_Ju" title="User talk:Kriz Ju">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170100-Lily135-20240922151600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月5日 (六) 17:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170100-Lily135-20240922151600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005170100","author":"Kriz Ju","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170100-Lily135-20240922151600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kriz_Ju-20241005170100-Lily135-20240922151600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>本討論已關閉,<b style="color: #FF0000;">請勿修改</b>。如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl></div><div style="clear: both; height: 1em"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施" data-mw-thread-id="h-涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"><span id=".E6.B6.89.E5.8F.8A.E7.AE.A1.E7.90.86.E6.AC.8A.E9.99.90.E7.88.AD.E8.AD.B0.E4.B9.8B.E9.81.8E.E6.B8.A1.E4.BB.B2.E8.A3.81.E6.8E.AA.E6.96.BD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"></span>涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施<span data-mw-comment-end="h-涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=7" title="编辑章节:涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施"></span>此次投票,一大理據涉及管理權限特定爭議。此種複雜之爭議,本應考慮由具公信及專業之第三方維基人組織仲裁,詳加審核相關操作及證據,並經深入思索提出報告供參為宜。「<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%93%A1%E7%9A%84%E9%9B%A2%E4%BB%BB" title="Wikipedia:管理員的離任">管理員的離任方針</a>」亦明確強調,解任投票屬最終手段,當有十足充分之考量而行之;若能藉由仲裁措施或處分有效釐清雙方權責過失,並藉由溝通有效緩和爭議、化解雙方分歧,最終往往毋須訴諸解任。惟本地現有制度,尚未提供前述第三方仲裁措施之基礎;如管理員布告板,向來無力處理特別嚴重之爭端,而此次投票縱有若干管理員等社群成員就解任理據獨立從事查證,惟其受時間、人力等客觀限制,亦難稱臻至完善,且未能獲社群正式背書,效力恐有所折扣。近年來本站籌設仲裁委員會,固有就此問題予以釜底抽薪之可能,惟社群現階段仍在討論組織及人事細節,望其短時間內付諸運轉、乃至於樹立適當權威,自是天方夜譚。值此一過渡之際,實有賴社群即時研議臨時仲裁措施,以處理涉及管理權限之爭議。謹嘗試提出問題如下: </p> <dl><dd>一、社群對於現有個別管理員難以處理龐大管理權限爭議之情況(如管理員布告板各子布告板等),有何協助應對之可能方案?</dd> <dd>二、社群現階段於嚴重權限爭議及解任投票「決戰」夾縫間,是否可能留有任何緩衝之選擇?如比照<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E8%A7%A3%E9%99%A4%E6%AC%8A%E9%99%90%E6%96%B9%E9%87%9D" title="Wikipedia:解除權限方針">相關權限方針</a>,引進停權警惕機制?甚或搭配獨立第三方調查制度,由行政員、管理員或其他有能社群成員聯席組織,以停權當事人之臨時處分,換取些許餘裕,得為有限期而妥當之調查報告,而免於驟然躍進解任投票之地步?</dd> <dd>註:有關仲裁委員會之組織細節,請繼續踴躍參與上方<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#仲裁委员会的选举">相關段落</a>討論。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 18:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-涉及管理權限爭議之過渡仲裁措施"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:UjuiUjuMandan/论述">ᠮᠠᠨᡩ᠋ᠠᠨ</a></big><sup>Mandan</sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-UjuiUjuMandan-20240820093800-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月20日 (二) 09:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UjuiUjuMandan-20240820093800-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820093800","author":"UjuiUjuMandan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-UjuiUjuMandan-20240820093800-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u1860\u1835\u1860\u1873"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UjuiUjuMandan-20240820093800-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="「臨時」管理員任期問題" data-mw-thread-id="h-「臨時」管理員任期問題-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"><span id=".E3.80.8C.E8.87.A8.E6.99.82.E3.80.8D.E7.AE.A1.E7.90.86.E5.93.A1.E4.BB.BB.E6.9C.9F.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-「臨時」管理員任期問題-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"></span>「臨時」管理員任期問題<span data-mw-comment-end="h-「臨時」管理員任期問題-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=8" title="编辑章节:「臨時」管理員任期問題"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20240921064400-「臨時」管理員任期問題"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r84687315"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r64637320"><div class="quotebox archive-top-result" style="float: right; clear: right; margin: 0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em;width:30%; padding: 6px; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 88%; background-color: #F9F9F9;"><div class="" style="position: relative; text-align: left;">有关任期问题的条文已修改;有关明确临时管理员是否需要回答“三个问题”的提案已被撤回,关闭此处讨论。如有其他需要展开的请随意重新打开讨论。<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20240921064400-「臨時」管理員任期問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 06:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20240921064400-「臨時」管理員任期問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921064400","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stang-20240921064400-\u300c\u81e8\u6642\u300d\u7ba1\u7406\u54e1\u4efb\u671f\u554f\u984c","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Stang-20240921064400","c-Psycho_CSL-20240818203600-Stang-20240921064400","c-ATannedBurger-20240818205200-Stang-20240921064400","c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819034000-Stang-20240921064400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20240921064400-「臨時」管理員任期問題"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Stang-20240921064400"></span>下列討論已經關閉,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83933911"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red"><b>請勿修改。</b></span>如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl> <hr/> <p>社群晚近引進「臨時」管理員機制,為尚待爭取社群充分信任者提供有限期權限以為鍛鍊。惟「<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%94%B3%E8%AF%B7%E6%88%90%E4%B8%BA%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E4%BA%BA%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:申请成为管理人员">申請成為管理人員方針</a>」指出:「臨時權限與一般不限期權限無異,但需在任期結束前重新申請,並經社群投票確認,才能繼續保留權限。」對於所謂「投票確認」之細節語焉不詳,尤未有聲明此種「臨時」之有限效期是否得以連續申請無條件延長(形同「任期無限」),此於本年新一輪管理人員申請前當有所解決,方得迴避無謂混亂。謹嘗試提出問題如下: </p> <dl><dd>一、社群是否應保留「臨時」管理員機制?抑或取消之,或再研議其他制度以為替代?</dd> <dd>二、社群是否應就「臨時」管理員之任期有所限制?如限定任一期或連任特定次數以後,次輪(下輪)申請累積信任須達到正式通過門檻,否則即應收回「臨時」權限,越次輪(下下輪)始得重行申請?或改為逐步提高次一任期之通過門檻,直至正式通過為止?</dd> <dd>註:特副知目前本站唯一「臨時」管理員<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:ATannedBurger" title="User:ATannedBurger">ATannedBurger</a></span>。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Stang-20240921064400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 18:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Stang-20240921064400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818182900","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Stang-20240921064400","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Stang-20240921064400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Psycho_CSL-20240818203600-Stang-20240921064400"></span>臨時管理員機制既然是提供給還沒取得社群充分信任的人爭取社群信任,那麼臨時管理員就應該把握時間讓大家認可他,加上臨時管理員權限與一般管理員無異,代表臨時管理員在下一次申請前能充分表現,若是經過一次任期仍無法取得社群足夠的信任,那或許就是暫時還不適任,因此我認為臨時管理員在次輪申請時需至少達到正式通過門檻,若無法達到則應收回臨時權限,下下輪才能再申請。--<a href="/wiki/User:Psycho_CSL" title="User:Psycho CSL"><span style="font-family:Arial; color:#1E90FF;">PC</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Psycho_CSL-20240818203600-Stang-20240921064400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 20:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Psycho_CSL-20240818203600-Stang-20240921064400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818203600","author":"Psycho CSL","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Psycho_CSL-20240818203600-Stang-20240921064400","replies":[],"displayName":"PC"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Psycho_CSL-20240818203600-Stang-20240921064400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ATannedBurger-20240818205200-Stang-20240921064400"></span>我認為臨時管理員機制多少還是有些必要性。不論是因為當前社群對永久管理員門檻的下調程度有限,又或者是在實務上能幫助社群多認識和了解新管理員處理事務的方式,貿然取消當前制度的話很可能導致經常被詬病的管理員難產問題再次重現。</dd> <dd>第二個問題的話大致上同PC君的觀點。考量到臨時管理員的當選區間(65% ~ 75%)並沒有很大,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">逐步提高次一任期之通過門檻</q>究竟是需要離上次當選差多少百分比(換句話說,多少的提升才無法用誤差範圍/臨界值來解釋),為了避免此類爭議,我覺得倒不如選擇較為乾脆的處理方式會比較洽當。--<a href="/wiki/User:ATannedBurger" title="User:ATannedBurger"><font size="0.001%"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \int }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo>∫<!-- ∫ --></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \int }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/ca732e5519cd2210bd59f1ab281b4e8f5a6a4413" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -2.338ex; width:2.194ex; height:5.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \int }"/></span></font></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ATannedBurger" title="User talk:ATannedBurger">☎</a>)dt <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ATannedBurger-20240818205200-Stang-20240921064400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 20:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ATannedBurger-20240818205200-Stang-20240921064400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818205200","author":"ATannedBurger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ATannedBurger-20240818205200-Stang-20240921064400","replies":[],"displayName":"\u222b\n \n \n {\\displaystyle \\int }"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ATannedBurger-20240818205200-Stang-20240921064400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240819034000-Stang-20240921064400"></span>1、若现在取消临时管理员,那么这个试验期太短,无法评判临时管理员制度效果,因此建议目前保留。</dd> <dd>2、大致认同PC意见。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240819034000-Stang-20240921064400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月19日 (一) 03:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240819034000-Stang-20240921064400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819034000","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240819034000-Stang-20240921064400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240819034000-Stang-20240921064400"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20240826102700-「臨時」管理員任期問題"></span>总结一下讨论。讨论用户基本就临时管理员在第二次申请权限时须达到正式管理员标准才可保留权限一事基本达成一致。根据目前共识,个人提议在申请成为管理人员方针条文中修改以下内容: </p> <table class="skin-invert" style="width:100%; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr> <td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #ECFCF4; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>現行條文</big></dt></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BCRAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BCRAT">行政員</a>須按投票中有效的支持票佔總有效票的比例(支持率)判定管理人員申請是否獲得通過。支持率達75%者,將獲授予申請之權限(但根据全域<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CU" class="extiw" title="m:CU">用户查核</a>和<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OS" class="extiw" title="m:OS">监督</a>方针,用户查核员和监督员需要25票支持才能当选)。而管理員申請支持率達65%、但不足75%者,亦得獲授予為期六個月的「臨時權限」;臨時權限與一般不限期權限無異,但需在任期結束前重新申請,<span class="skin-invert" style="background-color: #ffcccc;">並經社群投票確認</span>,才能繼續保留權限。 </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td><td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #F9F9F9; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>提議條文</big></dt></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BCRAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BCRAT">行政員</a>須按投票中有效的支持票佔總有效票的比例(支持率)判定管理人員申請是否獲得通過。支持率達75%者,將獲授予申請之權限(但根据全域<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CU" class="extiw" title="m:CU">用户查核</a>和<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OS" class="extiw" title="m:OS">监督</a>方针,用户查核员和监督员需要25票支持才能当选)。而管理員申請支持率達65%、但不足75%者,亦得獲授予為期六個月的「臨時權限」;臨時權限與一般不限期權限無異,但需在任期結束前重新申請,<span class="skin-invert" style="background-color: #ccffcc;">並在投票中的支持率達75%</span>,才能繼續保留權限。 </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20240826102700-「臨時」管理員任期問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月26日 (一) 10:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20240826102700-「臨時」管理員任期問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826102700","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240826102700-\u300c\u81e8\u6642\u300d\u7ba1\u7406\u54e1\u4efb\u671f\u554f\u984c","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20240826102700-「臨時」管理員任期問題"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20240902131900-「臨時」管理員任期問題"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> <b>公示7日,2024年9月9日 (一) 13:19 (UTC)結束</b>:无人对该方案有质疑,進入公示期。––<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20240902131900-「臨時」管理員任期問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月2日 (一) 13:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20240902131900-「臨時」管理員任期問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20240909144200-人间百态-20240902131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月9日 (一) 14:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20240909144200-人间百态-20240902131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909144200","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240909144200-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240902131900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20240909144200-人间百态-20240902131900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20240911025400-人间百态-20240902131900"></span>给意见超过公示期了,但是咱还是写一点吧:提案人的更改给条文造成了一些不清晰的内容,咱认为应该将“保留权限”明确为“转为正式管理员”,类似于<span class="skin-invert" style="background-color: #ccffcc;">但需在任期結束前重新申請,並在投票中的支持率達75%来转为正式权限,否则将被移除临时权限。</span><span style="display:none">@<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20240911025400-人间百态-20240902131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 02:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20240911025400-人间百态-20240902131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911025400","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Stang-20240911025400-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240902131900","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240911042600-Stang-20240911025400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20240911025400-人间百态-20240902131900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042600-Stang-20240911025400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Stang" title="User:Stang">Stang</a>:</span>寫成「而管理員申請支持率達65%、但不足75%者,亦得獲授予為期六個月的『臨時權限』。此種權限與一般不限期權限無異,但應於任期結束前重新申請成為管理員,且申請支持率達75%,才能保留並取得不限期權限;否則權限將予取消,必須待下次再行申請。」如何?—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240911042600-Stang-20240911025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 04:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042600-Stang-20240911025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20240911042800-Ericliu1912-20240911042600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 04:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20240911042800-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911042800","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Stang-20240911042800-Ericliu1912-20240911042600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20240911042800-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20240911133000-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"></span>不反对。--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20240911133000-Ericliu1912-20240911042600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 13:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20240911133000-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240911170600-人间百态-20240911133000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 17:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911170600-人间百态-20240911133000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911170600","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240911170600-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240911133000","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240911170600-人间百态-20240911133000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20240918101400-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a> 请问<b>将被移除临时权限</b>是指投票后立即结束还是等到期日?(如果是前者,就会不满6个月)。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240918101400-Ericliu1912-20240911042600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 10:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240918101400-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918101400","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918101400-Ericliu1912-20240911042600","replies":["c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918104300-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918101400"],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240918101400-Ericliu1912-20240911042600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20240918104300-阿南之人-20240918101400"></span>争议已解决,是到期日后除权。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240918104300-阿南之人-20240918101400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 10:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240918104300-阿南之人-20240918101400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918104300","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918104300-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918101400","replies":[],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240918104300-阿南之人-20240918101400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20240918103800-「臨時」管理員任期問題"></span>还有关于临时管理员回答三条问题的问题,虽然询问各个使用者后得出的结果是<b>可选答</b>,但在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA">WP:RFA</a>中没有列明。为了在日后的讨论中避免矛盾,便在此发起公示。 </p> <table class="skin-invert" style="width:100%; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr> <td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #ECFCF4; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>現行條文</big></dt></dl> <ul><li>管理員被提名者或自薦者須回答三個基本問題,這些問題是: <ol><li>您期望幫忙怎麼樣的管理事務?請先閱讀<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:管理员">管理員</a>的介紹頁面。</li> <li>在所有您在維基百科撰寫的條目或作過的貢獻中,有沒有讓您覺得特別喜歡的部分?有的話,為什麼?</li> <li>您有沒有在過去遇到任何有關編輯方面的衝突,或者是您認為其他用户造成您的壓力?您如何處理這件事,以及未來遇到時您會怎麼處理?</li></ol></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td><td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #F9F9F9; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>提議條文</big></dt></dl> <ul><li>管理員被提名者或自薦者須回答三個基本問題,這些問題是: <ol><li>您期望幫忙怎麼樣的管理事務?請先閱讀<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:管理员">管理員</a>的介紹頁面。</li> <li>在所有您在維基百科撰寫的條目或作過的貢獻中,有沒有讓您覺得特別喜歡的部分?有的話,為什麼?</li> <li>您有沒有在過去遇到任何有關編輯方面的衝突,或者是您認為其他用户造成您的壓力?您如何處理這件事,以及未來遇到時您會怎麼處理?</li></ol> <ul><li><span class="skin-invert" style="background-color: #ccffcc;">临时管理员可选择不回答以上问题。<s>临时管理员可选择直接使用上次申请的答案。</s></span></li></ul></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><s><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> <b>公示7日,2024年9月25日 (三) 10:38 (UTC)結束</b>。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240918103800-「臨時」管理員任期問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 10:38 (UTC)</a></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240918103800-「臨時」管理員任期問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Ericliu1912-20240918110100-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span>(-)</span><b>反对</b>:權限「臨時」與否,不應影響管理員必答問題回覆與否之基本要求。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240918110100-阿南之人-20240918103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240918110100-阿南之人-20240918103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240918110400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240918110400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918110400","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918110400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240918110600-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918110400"],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240918110400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240918110600-阿南之人-20240918110400"></span>如此瑣碎之事,其實不用寫進指引。就如從前極少會問多次申請者是否可沿用上次申請答案一般。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240918110600-阿南之人-20240918110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月18日 (三) 11:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240918110600-阿南之人-20240918110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918110600","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240918110600-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918110400","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240918110600-阿南之人-20240918110400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20240920100400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a> 本人决定撤回更改。请问阁下为什么认为「不應影響管理員必答問題回覆與否之基本要求」?普通管理员必须回答问题才可申请,而临时管理员再申请则可选答,这样的逻辑非常清晰。对于临时管理员而言,回答问题的确并非基本需求。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240920100400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 10:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240920100400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920100400","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240920100400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240920100700-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240920100400"],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240920100400-Ericliu1912-20240918110100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240920100700-阿南之人-20240920100400"></span>不認為如此。反而鑑於「臨時」權限設定一大初衷——即給予社群觀察當事人表現機會——渠甚更有必要回答基本問題。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240920100700-阿南之人-20240920100400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 10:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240920100700-阿南之人-20240920100400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240920102600-Ericliu1912-20240920100700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 10:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240920102600-Ericliu1912-20240920100700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920102600","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240920102600-Ericliu1912-20240920100700","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240920103000-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240920102600"],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240920102600-Ericliu1912-20240920100700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240920103000-阿南之人-20240920102600"></span>「大不了」是兜底,要不要重複回答問題是當事人的自由。這顯然不代表本人對當事人期望有如此低,兩者不可一概而論。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240920103000-阿南之人-20240920102600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 10:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240920103000-阿南之人-20240920102600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920103000","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240920103000-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240920102600","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240920103000-阿南之人-20240920102600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20240919090300-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CopperSulfate" title="User:CopperSulfate">CopperSulfate</a> 可以到此发表意见。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240919090300-阿南之人-20240918103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 09:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240919090300-阿南之人-20240918103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919090300","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240919090300-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918103800","replies":[],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240919090300-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:#ddee11;color:#22a000;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S8321414-20240920231700-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span>(+)</span><b>傾向支持</b>:個人認為臨時管理員申請續任(轉正?)可選擇不回答三個基本問題,甚至多次申請者在後續的申請中我也覺得可以不必每次都回答,首次申請必答就好。--<a href="/wiki/User:S8321414" title="User:S8321414">冥王歐西里斯</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:S8321414" title="User talk:S8321414">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-S8321414-20240920231700-阿南之人-20240918103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 23:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S8321414-20240920231700-阿南之人-20240918103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920231700","author":"S8321414","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-S8321414-20240920231700-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918103800","replies":[],"displayName":"\u51a5\u738b\u6b50\u897f\u91cc\u65af"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S8321414-20240920231700-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20240921062600-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span>鉴于<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#c-ATannedBurger-20240920174200-阿南之人-20240916104000">ATannedBurger认为需要重答</a>,本人决定撤销提案。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20240921062600-阿南之人-20240918103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 06:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20240921062600-阿南之人-20240918103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921062600","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240921062600-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20240918103800","replies":[],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20240921062600-阿南之人-20240918103800"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>本討論已關閉,<b style="color: #FF0000;">請勿修改</b>。如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl></div><div style="clear: both; height: 1em"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="停止以投票决定结果" data-mw-thread-id="h-停止以投票决定结果-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240821083600"><span id=".E5.81.9C.E6.AD.A2.E4.BB.A5.E6.8A.95.E7.A5.A8.E5.86.B3.E5.AE.9A.E7.BB.93.E6.9E.9C"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-停止以投票决定结果-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240821083600"></span>停止以投票决定结果<span data-mw-comment-end="h-停止以投票决定结果-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240821083600"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=9" title="编辑章节:停止以投票决定结果"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214200-停止以投票决定结果"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r84687315"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r64637320"><div class="quotebox archive-top-result" style="float: right; clear: right; margin: 0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em;width:30%; padding: 6px; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 88%; background-color: #F9F9F9;"><div class="" style="background-color: var(--background-color-disabled,#C3C3C3);color: var(--color-base,#000); text-align: center; font-size: larger; font-weight: bold;">不通過</div><div class="" style="position: relative; text-align: left;">暫未有共識之提議。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241026214200-停止以投票决定结果" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月26日 (六) 21:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214200-停止以投票决定结果"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241026214200","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241026214200-\u505c\u6b62\u4ee5\u6295\u7968\u51b3\u5b9a\u7ed3\u679c","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214200-停止以投票决定结果"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-暁月凛奈-20240821083600-停止以投票决定结果"></span>下列討論已經關閉,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83933911"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red"><b>請勿修改。</b></span>如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl> <hr/> <p>具体意见与<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BE%B5%E6%B1%82%E6%84%8F%E8%A6%8B/2024%E5%B9%B4%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E4%BA%BA%E5%93%A1%E5%88%B6%E5%BA%A6%E6%94%B9%E9%9D%A9#議案1C:廢除實數當選條件" title="Wikipedia:徵求意見/2024年管理人員制度改革">前次RFC</a>相同。在维基百科的权限得失上用投票得结果不过是拙劣的cosplay。既然这么喜欢互煮,建议改成就某人是否能担任管理员一题不设时间限制辩论至得出共识为止。<span style="color:#6495ED">——<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%9A%81%E6%9C%88%E5%87%9B%E5%A5%88" title="User:暁月凛奈"><span style="color:#6495ED" lang="ja">暁月凛奈</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%9A%81%E6%9C%88%E5%87%9B%E5%A5%88" title="User talk:暁月凛奈"><span style="color:#6495ED">留言</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-暁月凛奈-20240821083600-停止以投票决定结果" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月21日 (三) 08:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-暁月凛奈-20240821083600-停止以投票决定结果"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821083600","author":"\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600-\u505c\u6b62\u4ee5\u6295\u7968\u51b3\u5b9a\u7ed3\u679c","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240822135300-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600","c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240825021500-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600","c-\u8d85\u7ea7\u6838\u6f5c\u8247-20240924023000-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-暁月凛奈-20240821083600-停止以投票决定结果"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240822135300-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"></span>所謂「投票」是有必要的,因為以社群規模永遠不可能純經討論得出共識,最後還是會變成「類似投票」(!vote)。其實管理人員申請及解任投票理論上一直都是「類似投票」;個人反而覺得「解任投票」目前看來很有必要降低純「投票」的成份(儘管社群整體意見仍占有極高比重)。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240822135300-暁月凛奈-20240821083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月22日 (四) 13:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240822135300-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822135300","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240822135300-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600","replies":["c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075800-Ericliu1912-20240822135300","c-ASid-20240830120600-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240822135300-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240826075800-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"></span>有何差异,为何RFA如此特别,应该继续“类似投票”,无需降低“纯投票”成分?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240826075800-Ericliu1912-20240822135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月26日 (一) 07:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240826075800-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826075800","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240826075800-Ericliu1912-20240822135300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240826075800-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ASid-20240830120600-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"></span>沒辦法透過純討論得出共識那也沒關西阿,就是以後沒管理員可以上任而已,這沒什麼啦。--~~<a href="/wiki/User:ASid" title="User:ASid"><b>S</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ASid" title="User talk:ASid"><b>i</b></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/ASid" title="Special:用户贡献/ASid"><b>d</b></a>~~ <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ASid-20240830120600-Ericliu1912-20240822135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月30日 (五) 12:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ASid-20240830120600-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830120600","author":"ASid","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ASid-20240830120600-Ericliu1912-20240822135300","replies":[],"displayName":"S"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ASid-20240830120600-Ericliu1912-20240822135300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20240825021500-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"></span>不用投票決定結果,難道以反對罷免的那幾個人決定結果?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20240825021500-暁月凛奈-20240821083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月25日 (日) 02:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20240825021500-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825021500","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20240825021500-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20240825021500-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"></span></dd> <dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-超级核潜艇-20240924023000-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:那估计会无限循环了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E8%B6%85%E7%BA%A7%E6%A0%B8%E6%BD%9C%E8%89%87" title="User:超级核潜艇">超级核潜艇</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%B6%85%E7%BA%A7%E6%A0%B8%E6%BD%9C%E8%89%87" title="User talk:超级核潜艇">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-超级核潜艇-20240924023000-暁月凛奈-20240821083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月24日 (二) 02:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-超级核潜艇-20240924023000-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924023000","author":"\u8d85\u7ea7\u6838\u6f5c\u8247","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u8d85\u7ea7\u6838\u6f5c\u8247-20240924023000-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20240821083600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-超级核潜艇-20240924023000-暁月凛奈-20240821083600"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>本討論已關閉,<b style="color: #FF0000;">請勿修改</b>。如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl></div><div style="clear: both; height: 1em"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240824180500"><span id="RFA.E5.92.8CRFDA.E6.98.AF.E5.90.A6.E8.A6.81.E6.B1.82.E6.8F.90.E4.BE.9B.E7.90.86.E7.94.B1"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240824180500"></span>RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240824180500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=10" title="编辑章节:RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-桐生ここ-20240824180500-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由"></span>最近有些人认为应该废除RFDA要求提供理由: </p> <ul><li>要求提供理由如同DYKC要求必须写废话</li> <li>判断理由是否有效造成点票困扰</li> <li>要求提供理由引發很多問題</li></ul> <p>也有人认为: </p> <ul><li>要求提供理由對共識判斷相當有幫助</li></ul> <p>提请社群讨论,如果要求提供理由没有意义,而且弊大于利,是否应该废除。如果要求提供理由利大于弊,對共識判斷相當有幫助,是否应该也要求RFA必须提供理由。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#5E86C1;"><b>桐生ここ</b></span></a><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">★</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%A1%90%E7%94%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%93" title="User talk:桐生ここ"><span style="color:#4798B3;"><b>[讨论]</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240824180500-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 18:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240824180500-RFA和RFDA是否要求提供理由"><span 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href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240911042200-桐生ここ-20240824180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 04:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042200-桐生ここ-20240824180500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-桐生ここ-20240919125500-Ericliu1912-20240911042200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 12:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-桐生ここ-20240919125500-Ericliu1912-20240911042200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919125500","author":"\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240919125500-Ericliu1912-20240911042200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-桐生ここ-20240919125500-Ericliu1912-20240911042200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#8D608C;color:#FFFFFF"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WiiUf-20240921140700-桐生ここ-20240824180500"></span>(&)</span><b>建議</b>:若已有用户提供明确的理由,在该用户之后投票,且意见与前面用户相同的用户可以使用<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%E5%90%8C%E4%B8%8A" title="Template:同上">同上</a>}}</code>等模板。--<a href="/wiki/User:WiiUf" title="User:WiiUf"><span style="color:#00A0A0;"><b>WiiUf</b></span></a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:WiiUf" title="User talk:WiiUf"><span style="color:#F27310;"><b> ——青龍出世,傲視蒼穹</b></span></a></small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-WiiUf-20240921140700-桐生ここ-20240824180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 14:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WiiUf-20240921140700-桐生ここ-20240824180500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921140700","author":"WiiUf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WiiUf-20240921140700-\u6850\u751f\u3053\u3053-20240824180500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WiiUf-20240921140700-桐生ここ-20240824180500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="有关公开投票人列表的问题" data-mw-thread-id="h-有关公开投票人列表的问题-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240911025400"><span id=".E6.9C.89.E5.85.B3.E5.85.AC.E5.BC.80.E6.8A.95.E7.A5.A8.E4.BA.BA.E5.88.97.E8.A1.A8.E7.9A.84.E9.97.AE.E9.A2.98"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-有关公开投票人列表的问题-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240911025400"></span>有关公开投票人列表的问题<span data-mw-comment-end="h-有关公开投票人列表的问题-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240911025400"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=11" title="编辑章节:有关公开投票人列表的问题"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20240911025400-有关公开投票人列表的问题"></span>在先前多场使用安全投票的管理人员选举之中,都<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:%E7%94%B3%E8%AF%B7%E6%88%90%E4%B8%BA%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E4%BA%BA%E5%91%98/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A39#續管理員的相關討論" title="Wikipedia talk:申请成为管理人员/存档9">依照既有共识</a>对投票人列表进行了隐藏,使列表只能由监票人员查看。然而,在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%93%A1%E8%A7%A3%E4%BB%BB%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8/Mys_721tx/%E7%AC%AC2%E6%AC%A1#结果_2" title="Wikipedia:管理員解任投票/Mys 721tx/第2次">最近的一次管理人员解任投票之中</a>,监票人对投票人列表进行了公开。个人理解这是出于对解任投票的一些“不透明”的批评的举措,但咱也希望这可以正式的定下来,关于使用安全投票的投票中,什么时候应公开投票人列表,什么时候不应公开。 </p> <ul><li>在管理人员上任投票中?</li> <li>在管理人员解任投票中?</li> <li>(上方讨论区进行的)在仲裁委员会委员选举投票中?</li></ul> <p>谢谢。<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20240911025400-有关公开投票人列表的问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 02:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20240911025400-有关公开投票人列表的问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911025400","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stang-20240911025400-\u6709\u5173\u516c\u5f00\u6295\u7968\u4eba\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898","replies":["c-Kriz_Ju-20240911165300-Stang-20240911025400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20240911025400-有关公开投票人列表的问题"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kriz_Ju-20240911165300-Stang-20240911025400"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:個人斗膽結合相關討論綜合表達,認為各式投票結束後,投票人列表原則上應於選舉結束後公開,若具備明確重大事由,可視情況特例不公開;畢竟投票這個行為本身並未透露當事人意向為何,若該行為本身對當事人已造成任何心理負擔,建議當事人斟酌考量是否參與投票。至於是否在投票時提供投票意見,個人認為相關意見主要是在投票結果爭議極大或臨界判斷時所用,介面上應具備該欄位供用戶填答較佳,至於用戶是否必須填答才能投票?目前個人傾向上任投票可選填,解任投票則必須填具。</dd></dl> <dl><dd>至於相關爭議個人認為仍回歸信任度問題,不論是投票用戶對投票制度或是觀者對其他投票用戶的信任感,但這又往往不離個人的主觀評價;尤其以仲裁委員制度而言,如果往後確實具備某種決定性的效果或權限,對照上次的罷免投票,應如何評估異同或當中部分疑慮?歷來此類討論最大爭點在於社群認為應該<b>「數人頭」抑或「講共識」</b>?長期以來論者各有利弊衡量和偏好,在此或可不論。然而重點在於,人們是否真能在更大規模的投票中,純以就事論事、各提理據的公開爭論和投票中有所共識呢?如果得到的投票結果就是共識,今日自也無須爭議,重點可能還是在於「安全投票」的目的為何?以及為何全世界的大規模投票都可說是「安全投票」?個人認為關鍵有兩個:一個在於投票或選舉過程中人們的任何爭論、命題、理據或偏好,在投票結果出爐前,都難以論斷「前因」和「後果」是否具備得以直接、必然預測的因果關係;其次在於安全投票最大限度保障人們的<b>表意自由</b>,個人認為後者最為重要且關鍵。然而,考量中文社群的地域複雜性,又是否適合單純數票數呢?即便試圖公開討論,某些用戶在不具備客觀理據的前提下,是否就不得表達特定意向偏好?而公開投票是否又如何判定該票是否有效?如此思索必然又陷入無止盡的取捨循環。若折衷由行政員裁定,也必然有站友質疑其認定標準等。既無絕對的方案,可能需要釐清相關制度之所以存在所欲彰顯價值目標和實務考量取捨的先後標準。在此敝人嘗試提出幾個個人關注點:</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>1.仲裁委員是否可能被罷免?若可能,條件大致為何?個人認為這個問題的結果可能直接影響該制度運行,以及用戶目前對此制度之初步評價。</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>2.以當前管理員罷免制度而言,和選任管理員的投票方式和介面是否有明顯差異?個人傾向認為罷免管理員應更嚴謹審慎,原因有二:首先罷免投票是<b>剝奪持權用戶的既有權利</b>,當事人既已獲權,社群欲以「群體意向表達的制度」推翻先前選舉的社群意向表達結果,並藉此剝奪當事人權利,自然需要證明持權者是否<b>因其持權而對社群的他人或事務造成何種程度的明顯傷害或錯誤</b>,獲得證明方可決定如何處理甚而除權,因此對於罷免制度的嚴謹公開討論,應該是合情合理。</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>反過來必有人疑問「選任管理員難道不需如此嚴謹嗎?」持平而論,某人當選管理員獲得授權,並未因此直接影響或剝奪何人權益,或是直接造成何種傷害(對當選者看不順眼不在考量範圍內,若討論到代表性問題那這個話題可能就很難繼續了(笑)),當事人當選前乃至當選當下,是否濫權或因「坐大」而對其他用戶如何打擊,亦需時間證明,況且管理員人數不限、也有其他持權用戶同時持權,自然沒有「佔了誰的缺不幹活」之類的事(過往有此一說),所以在授權前需要討論審視,自屬合理;然而「<b>剝奪他人權限</b>」如前所述,需要公開審視的程度涉及<b>對前一次社群意向表達和當事人的直接否定</b>。個人認為,<b>參與罷免投票的用戶更應填具適當的「不適任」理由</b>,而若有顯然灌票導致影響公信力的問題可能還是偏向技術面處理的問題。</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>其次,一名用戶從開始活動至足以參選管理人員,一般而言光是如此即需要相當長的養成時間,等到真正參選並當選,又可能因各種因素作用而波折再三,當中至少經歷數年以上時間;然而,只要一次的罷免投票成功,基本上該名被成功投票罷免的用戶就彷彿社群信用全毀、持權基礎破滅。罷免不適任者自屬社群行使制度權利無疑,然而這當中所產生的影響是否僅於該次投票便結束?又或是新的開始?又或者對於可能具持權條件以及已經持權的用戶產生何種影響?相關問題或可留待有心觀者玩味。</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>3.安全問題如果發生在現實生活,個人不認為是管理員可以直接處理的事情;況且若此類情形發生,即便發生在線上,往往也已發生某種程度的結果或負面效果,再說並非所有用戶都有能力或意願對此類事情執著或如何追究,更可能直接因恐懼和傷害而放棄。我認為<b>用戶的身心安全和使用體驗仍然是首要考量</b>,這方面勝過一切;若知其風險實現的可能性顯然存在,個人主觀認為在此前提下選擇其他考量而將用戶安全問題置於其他選項後,可能會更像「顯可預見而不預防」。在過往的投票方式選擇問題上似已多有討論,當然如果要採用公開投票,個人亦無甚意見(只是當初為何決定採用安全投票呢?)。</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>4.如果安全投票的單一投票認定存在爭議,那麼試問改為「公開投票」,若出現同樣投票內容時(比如在經過各種討論後,出現類似留言:「對該用戶仍然不信任,投下反對票」;或者「經驗欠缺,來日方長」、「輕舟已過萬重山」等,如何看待該票有效性?此為有效或無效投票又或者不影響其有效性?或者難以一概而論之類?),關於投票有效性的判斷標準就更容易認定或是更少爭議呢?又或者有何異同?以仲裁委員而言,公開投票後,若當選門檻為過半,是否也代表可能有一半的用戶不信任當選者呢?會否影響之後該權限的社群公信力?在相關問題具備明確答案前,又是否有更充分理由應該直接推翻先前的安全投票介面選用結果?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>5.「社群對於仲裁委員的期望」以及「行政員和管理員依據何人的何種意見判定」一事,個人認為回歸信任度問題,可能也涉及投票公正性一事(假設出現突然大量帳號如何灌票等)。事實上,正因當前仲裁委員這個稱謂和制度看似頗有影響,然而信任度問題從未真正直接有解,我認為關鍵在於當前不具備一個可以讓用戶彼此間「<b>直接認同度對決</b>」的機會。在此前提下,除了公開選舉獲得明顯支持度的管理員以外,究竟應如何看待所有用戶彼此之間所抱持的信任度?可能難以量化。或許可從平日社群、站務乃至線下活動,以及權限申請之類的事情衡量,但這是否可直接對接社群對於仲裁委員或管理人員的信任度呢?在前述的比如罷免爭議投票意見中,有無更簡便的方法讓管理員和行政員看待取捨用戶意見的參考性?這也是為何敝人先前嘗試發想「事務協調員」之類的部分主因,也就是不同用戶的意見具備之可信度或參考性如何看待?如果「條目建立」有「豁免者」,那麼「社群言論和行為」是否具備對應存在的可能性呢?此類概念若存在,是否對於來日的各種權限選舉更容易提供某種信任和銜接基礎?若答案偏向否定,那麼其實不論如何選舉或者投票介面如何選擇,結果可能大致偏向對於當前社群所孰悉現狀的維持。相關命題端視留待社群如何討論。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kriz_Ju" title="User:Kriz Ju">Kriz Ju</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kriz_Ju" title="User talk:Kriz Ju">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Kriz_Ju-20240911165300-Stang-20240911025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 16:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kriz_Ju-20240911165300-Stang-20240911025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911165300","author":"Kriz Ju","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kriz_Ju-20240911165300-Stang-20240911025400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kriz_Ju-20240911165300-Stang-20240911025400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="其他意見" data-mw-thread-id="h-其他意見-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"><span id=".E5.85.B6.E4.BB.96.E6.84.8F.E8.A6.8B"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-其他意見-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"></span>其他意見<span data-mw-comment-end="h-其他意見-為管理人員任免制度檢討等事-20240818182900"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=12" title="编辑章节:其他意見"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-其他意見"></span>此處供社群發表雜項意見,若有重要問題提出者,歡迎於上方新置章節。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a 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id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>除放置公告欄外,是否亦考慮寄送使用者討論頁通告,俾便廣大社群知悉參與?—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月18日 (日) 18:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240818182900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20240820120100-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月20日 (二) 12:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20240820120100-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820120100","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20240820120100-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8eab\u4efd\u58f0\u660e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20240820120100-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240821064400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>简要模仿管治讨论做了一份<span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%9B%BA%E5%AE%9A%E9%93%BE%E6%8E%A5/83899760" title="Special:固定链接/83899760">通告模板</a></span>供参考。——<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:black;">即请秋安 <b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:black;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#6495ed;">欢迎签名</span></a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240821064400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月21日 (三) 06:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240821064400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821064400","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240821064400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u5373\u8bf7\u79cb\u5b89 ZhaoFJx"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240821064400-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20240829072900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> <b>公示7日,2024年9月5日 (四) 07:29 (UTC)結束</b>:讨论用户基本就寄送通告达成共识,進入公示期。--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20240829072900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月29日 (四) 07:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20240829072900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829072900","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240829072900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240829101200-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240829072900"],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20240829072900-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240829101200-人间百态-20240829072900"></span>我晚點結合仲裁委員會選舉事寫一份更簡潔的通告吧。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240829101200-人间百态-20240829072900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月29日 (四) 10:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240829101200-人间百态-20240829072900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829101200","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240829101200-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20240829072900","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240829101200-人间百态-20240829072900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240910153500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴">魔琴</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx">ZhaoFJx</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态</a>:</span>結合上方仲裁委員會事宜寫了<a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%9B%BA%E5%AE%9A%E9%93%BE%E6%8E%A5/84165020" title="Special:固定链接/84165020">草稿</a>,請確認是否得宜。另此種通告應寄送予何人?延伸確認使用者(或達到相同貢獻門檻但尚未自動升格者)何如?請討論。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240910153500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月10日 (二) 15:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240910153500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910153500","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240910153500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000-Ericliu1912-20240910153500"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240910153500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000-Ericliu1912-20240910153500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="👍" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/25px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/38px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/50px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>赞</b>,挺简洁的,发给延伸确认用户就好。不过浅黄色不是很好看<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Noto_Emoji_Oreo_1f914.svg/22px-Noto_Emoji_Oreo_1f914.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Noto_Emoji_Oreo_1f914.svg/33px-Noto_Emoji_Oreo_1f914.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Noto_Emoji_Oreo_1f914.svg/44px-Noto_Emoji_Oreo_1f914.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></span></span><b>思考...</b>可否考虑浅蓝色或其他替代背景?——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000-Ericliu1912-20240910153500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 01:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000-Ericliu1912-20240910153500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911014000","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000-Ericliu1912-20240910153500","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240911042100-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000-Ericliu1912-20240910153500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042100-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000"></span>隔壁仲裁委員會通知都是用此種顏色,我覺得不錯,用藍色反倒相對刺眼。另外我也希望發通告給幾年沒編輯所以尚未取得延伸確認資格者,說不定人家看到就來參一腳發表有益意見啦。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240911042100-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月11日 (三) 04:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042100-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911042100","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240911042100-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20240912021200-Ericliu1912-20240911042100","c-Ericliu1912-20240912072300-Ericliu1912-20240911042100","c-Ericliu1912-20240914161700-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240911042100-ZhaoFJx-20240911014000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240912021200-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"></span>有道理——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240912021200-Ericliu1912-20240911042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月12日 (四) 02:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240912021200-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912021200","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240912021200-Ericliu1912-20240911042100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240912021200-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240912072300-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"></span>現在祇差產生使用者清單,然後即可遞送。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub><small class="autosigned">──此條<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="Wikipedia:签名">未正確附上簽名时间</a>的留言于<a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240912072300-Ericliu1912-20240911042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月12日 (四) 07:23‎ (UTC)</a>加入。<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240912072300-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240912072300-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912072300","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240912072300-Ericliu1912-20240911042100","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span></dd> <dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240914161700-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴">魔琴</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx">ZhaoFJx</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态</a>:</span>但我不會弄這種東西,是不是可以請你們幫忙一下?順便問問<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef">0xDeadbeef</a></span>。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240914161700-Ericliu1912-20240911042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月14日 (六) 16:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240914161700-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914161700","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240914161700-Ericliu1912-20240911042100","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20240914223900-Ericliu1912-20240914161700","c-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240914161700-Ericliu1912-20240911042100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240914223900-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"></span>话说“几年没编辑所以尚未取得延伸确认资格者”怎么定义呢……注册满90天且编辑大于500次的用户比较庞大,python跑了一遍递归错误了<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>先输出了一份目前所有的延伸确认用户加管理员的名单<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P69123" class="extiw" title="phab:P69123">phab:P69123</a>。——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240914223900-Ericliu1912-20240914161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月14日 (六) 22:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240914223900-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914223900","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240914223900-Ericliu1912-20240914161700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240914223900-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"></span>重新写了下代码,跑了五个小时跑完了中维上<b>注册满90天</b>和<b>编辑满500次</b>的7008名用户,<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P69124" class="extiw" title="phab:P69124">phab:P69124</a>——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600-Ericliu1912-20240914161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月15日 (日) 03:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240915030600","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600-Ericliu1912-20240914161700","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240915110100-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600","c-Ericliu1912-20240920101000-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600-Ericliu1912-20240914161700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240915110100-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"></span>這麼多啊?—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240915110100-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月15日 (日) 11:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240915110100-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240915110100","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240915110100-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600","replies":["c-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500-Ericliu1912-20240915110100"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240915110100-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500-Ericliu1912-20240915110100"></span>純粹吐槽而非真的要提出改方針:究竟是為啥會讓已經多年無編輯跟社群完全脫節的用戶參與投票?這跟尸位素餐只靠定期編輯一兩次裝活躍的管理員有啥分別?--<b><a href="/wiki/User:LuciferianThomas" title="User:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">路</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LuciferianThomas" title="User talk:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">西</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/LuciferianThomas" title="Special:用户贡献/LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">法</span></a><a href="/wiki/%E8%B7%AF%E8%A5%BF%E6%B3%95%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9" title="路西法主義"><span style="color:#b00">人</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500-Ericliu1912-20240915110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月16日 (一) 02:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500-Ericliu1912-20240915110100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240916025500","author":"LuciferianThomas","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500-Ericliu1912-20240915110100","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240916065400-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500"],"displayName":"\u8def"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500-Ericliu1912-20240915110100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240916065400-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500"></span>有人就想做讀者,不打算編輯;現有「活躍」編輯者,也不見得較其更懂規矩。我自己開臺大維基社,就有幹部因為要備考,曾數年未有編輯;也認識有學長即將「<a href="/wiki/User:Hat600/essay/%E7%8E%B0%E5%85%85" title="User:Hat600/essay/现充">升格</a>」為社會人士,編輯頻率大幅下降甚至停止等,但他們可沒有因為一段時間沒碰編輯器,就一瞬變成過時懞懂的老頭兒啊,而且他們還是可以上維基百科看客棧在幹嘛。當然,不否認確有類似案例,但見仁見智,尚不足以概括全局。吾人顯不應以是否編輯或編輯多寡縱然斷定某人是否脫節於社群。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240916065400-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月16日 (一) 06:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240916065400-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240916065400","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240916065400-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20240919111800-Ericliu1912-20240916065400"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240916065400-LuciferianThomas-20240916025500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240919111800-Ericliu1912-20240916065400"></span>可以查询注册满90天、编辑满500词、最近90天有编辑的用户:<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/86391#--">https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/86391#--</a><span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-0xDeadbeef-20240919111800-Ericliu1912-20240916065400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月19日 (四) 11:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240919111800-Ericliu1912-20240916065400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919111800","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20240919111800-Ericliu1912-20240916065400","replies":[],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240919111800-Ericliu1912-20240916065400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240920101000-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx">ZhaoFJx</a>:</span>話說是不是可以幫忙統一加「user talk:」後綴並匯入<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%A4%A7%E9%87%8F%E8%A8%8A%E6%81%AF%E7%99%BC%E9%80%81%E8%80%85/%E6%B2%99%E7%9B%92" title="Wikipedia:大量訊息發送者/沙盒">此處</a>?系統沒法自動辨別。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240920101000-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月20日 (五) 10:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240920101000-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920101000","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240920101000-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20240921033000-Ericliu1912-20240920101000"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240920101000-ZhaoFJx-20240915030600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240921033000-Ericliu1912-20240920101000"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b>完成</b>,<a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%B7%AE%E5%BC%82/84288815" title="Special:差异/84288815">Special:diff/84288815</a>——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20240921033000-Ericliu1912-20240920101000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 03:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20240921033000-Ericliu1912-20240920101000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921033000","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20240921033000-Ericliu1912-20240920101000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20240921033000-Ericliu1912-20240920101000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240921133600-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span>通告現已發送予社群成員。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240921133600-Ericliu1912-20240818182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年9月21日 (六) 13:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240921133600-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921133600","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240921133600-Ericliu1912-20240818182900","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240921133600-Ericliu1912-20240818182900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读" data-mw-thread-id="h-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读-其他意見-20240823094500"><span id=".E6.BE.84.E6.B8.85.E8.A7.A3.E4.BB.BB.E8.BF.87.E7.A8.8B.E4.B8.AD.E5.8F.91.E8.A8.80.E7.9A.84.E4.B8.8D.E5.90.8C.E8.A7.A3.E8.AF.BB"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读-其他意見-20240823094500"></span>澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读<span data-mw-comment-end="h-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读-其他意見-20240823094500"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=13" title="编辑章节:澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214300-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r84687315"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r64637320"><div class="quotebox archive-top-result" style="float: right; clear: right; margin: 0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em;width:30%; padding: 6px; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 88%; background-color: #F9F9F9;"><div class="" style="background-color: var(--background-color-disabled,#C3C3C3);color: var(--color-base,#000); text-align: center; font-size: larger; font-weight: bold;">不通過</div><div class="" style="position: relative; text-align: left;">無後續討論之議題。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241026214300-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月26日 (六) 21:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214300-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241026214300","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241026214300-\u6f84\u6e05\u89e3\u4efb\u8fc7\u7a0b\u4e2d\u53d1\u8a00\u7684\u4e0d\u540c\u89e3\u8bfb","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241026214300-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gluo88-20240823094500-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"></span>下列討論已經關閉,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83933911"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red"><b>請勿修改。</b></span>如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl> <hr/> <p>关于0xdeadbeef阁下在<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#c-0xDeadbeef-20240819023500-Ericliu1912-20240818182900">讨论中提到</a><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">(例:Bluedeck原话说不至于不限期封禁,在解任界面持续被说成第三方管理员不认同可构成查封理由,而Bluedeck实际上会有限期封禁。)</q>,在下认为是不当解读, 澄清可见于:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gluo88#澄清解任过程中的发言的不同解读" title="User talk:Gluo88">澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读</a>。 --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gluo88&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gluo88(页面不存在)">Gluo88</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gluo88" title="User talk:Gluo88">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Gluo88-20240823094500-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月23日 (五) 09:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gluo88-20240823094500-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823094500","author":"Gluo88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gluo88-20240823094500-\u6f84\u6e05\u89e3\u4efb\u8fc7\u7a0b\u4e2d\u53d1\u8a00\u7684\u4e0d\u540c\u89e3\u8bfb","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20240824080800-Gluo88-20240823094500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gluo88-20240823094500-澄清解任过程中发言的不同解读"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240824080800-Gluo88-20240823094500"></span>您好,因與檢討相關制度並無直接關聯,本人將此議題移至其他意見。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240824080800-Gluo88-20240823094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 08:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240824080800-Gluo88-20240823094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824080800","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240824080800-Gluo88-20240823094500","replies":["c-Gluo88-20240824130500-Ericliu1912-20240824080800"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240824080800-Gluo88-20240823094500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gluo88-20240824130500-Ericliu1912-20240824080800"></span>谢谢--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gluo88&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gluo88(页面不存在)">Gluo88</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gluo88" title="User talk:Gluo88">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Gluo88-20240824130500-Ericliu1912-20240824080800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 13:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gluo88-20240824130500-Ericliu1912-20240824080800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824130500","author":"Gluo88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gluo88-20240824130500-Ericliu1912-20240824080800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gluo88-20240824130500-Ericliu1912-20240824080800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>本討論已關閉,<b style="color: #FF0000;">請勿修改</b>。如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl></div><div style="clear: both; height: 1em"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明" data-mw-thread-id="h-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明-其他意見-20240824131300"><span id=".E5.85.B3.E4.BA.8E.E7.AE.A1.E7.90.86.E5.91.98.E9.94.99.E8.AF.AF.E8.87.AA.E6.9F.A5.E8.A1.A8.2F.E5.B0.81.E7.A6.81.E8.A1.A5.E5.85.85.E7.9A.84.E8.AF.B4.E6.98.8E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明-其他意見-20240824131300"></span>关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明<span data-mw-comment-end="h-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明-其他意見-20240824131300"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=14" title="编辑章节:关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20240824143400-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r84687315"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r64637320"><div class="quotebox archive-top-result" style="float: right; clear: right; margin: 0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em;width:30%; padding: 6px; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 88%; background-color: #F9F9F9;"><div class="" style="position: relative; text-align: left;">請移步相關頁面繼續討論,勿於此處別生枝節。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20240824143400-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 14:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20240824143400-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824143400","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20240824143400-\u5173\u4e8e\u7ba1\u7406\u5458\u9519\u8bef\u81ea\u67e5\u8868\/\u5c01\u7981\u8865\u5145\u7684\u8bf4\u660e","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20240824143400-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gluo88-20240824131300-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"></span>下列討論已經關閉,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83933911"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red"><b>請勿修改。</b></span>如有任何意見,請在合適的討論頁提出,而非再次編輯本討論。</dd></dl> <hr/> <p>Bluedeck 于2017年4月28日创建这个文档:<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E9%94%99%E8%AF%AF%E8%87%AA%E6%9F%A5%E8%A1%A8/%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81" title="Wikipedia:管理员错误自查表/封禁">Wikipedia:管理员错误自查表/封禁</a>,感觉目的挺好:“在中文维基百科的实践中,管理员和管理人员有时可能会因为未注意到方针指引的一些细节而出错。在此总结了一些常见的错误,以便管理员在执行封禁时更加符合方针和指引,同时也便于普通用户根据方针指引与管理员沟通,针对疑似不当封禁的类似情况提出质疑。” </p><p>有些管理员需要更加熟悉有关方针和指引, 约束自己的行为,避免长期多年做出大量违反方针和指引的封禁行为, 避免发展到需要社群启动弹劾程序。为此目的,我系统地阅读了方针指引,查找了众多案例,花费了大量时间,进行了较为详细的补充。 </p><p>所增加的问题都是在实际过程中所观察到的。从目前情况来看,许多有多年经验的管理员对方针指引仍然不够熟悉。这些总结不仅有助于管理员自查,也能帮助受到不公正待遇的用户找到相关方针和指引,以分析实际遇到的问题。 </p><p>更重要的是,我们希望管理员和用户都能够按照方针办事,这些总结是否能帮助管理员和用户、是否能帮助维基社群营造一个和谐公平的合作环境是我们需要考虑的重点。 希望大家关注如何帮助社群,如何帮助维基营造一个和平公正的合作环境。 </p><p>有不同意见可以提出,社群可以继续补充和讨论, 有助于建立积极的中维社群环境。社群协作的关键在于理解、尊重和包容不同的观点。即使某些用户表现不佳,作为管理员,我们应该保持专业和耐心,应该保持客观、公正和理性,而不是简单地采取高压态度。公信力需要建立在合理和公正的行为基础上。 --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gluo88&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gluo88(页面不存在)">Gluo88</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gluo88" title="User talk:Gluo88">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Gluo88-20240824131300-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 13:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gluo88-20240824131300-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824131300","author":"Gluo88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gluo88-20240824131300-\u5173\u4e8e\u7ba1\u7406\u5458\u9519\u8bef\u81ea\u67e5\u8868\/\u5c01\u7981\u8865\u5145\u7684\u8bf4\u660e","replies":["c-Wolfch-20240824132800-Gluo88-20240824131300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gluo88-20240824131300-关于管理员错误自查表/封禁补充的说明"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-20240824132800-Gluo88-20240824131300"></span>其實在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E9%94%99%E8%AF%AF%E8%87%AA%E6%9F%A5%E8%A1%A8/%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81#有關此頁面新增內容,請大家協助確認及提供意見" title="Wikipedia talk:管理员错误自查表/封禁">Wikipedia talk:管理员错误自查表/封禁#有關此頁面新增內容,請大家協助確認及提供意見</a>已有用rfc發起討論,建議在該討論頁討論即可。--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Wolfch-20240824132800-Gluo88-20240824131300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 13:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-20240824132800-Gluo88-20240824131300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 13:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gluo88-20240824134800-Wolfch-20240824132800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824134800","author":"Gluo88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gluo88-20240824134800-Wolfch-20240824132800","replies":["c-Tisscherry-20240824135500-Gluo88-20240824134800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gluo88-20240824134800-Wolfch-20240824132800"></span> <dl><dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tisscherry-20240824135500-Gluo88-20240824134800"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>,此討論內容已經和頁面發起的rfc討論重複,請求未參與其中的其他使用者協助關閉此段討論,謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:Tisscherry" title="User:Tisscherry">提斯切里</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tisscherry" title="User talk:Tisscherry">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Tisscherry-20240824135500-Gluo88-20240824134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月24日 (六) 13:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tisscherry-20240824135500-Gluo88-20240824134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241017205300-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月17日 (四) 20:53 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017205300-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017205300","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241017205300-\u5728\u672c\u5730\u555f\u7528\u5b89\u5168\u6295\u7968\u53caelectionadmin\u6743\u9650","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017205300-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span></p> <p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-20241017200700-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>原标题:</small><big>SecurePoll elections with the electionadmin right</big> </p><p>(我很抱歉用英语写作。请随意翻译此消息。) </p><p>Hello! My name is Joe Sutherland and I'm on the Trust and Safety team at the Wikimedia Foundation. In the past, your community has shown interest in holding elections with SecurePoll — perhaps you already have through votewiki. We are now looking into making this available to local communities to run elections themselves. This will require the "electionadmin" right to be enabled on your project, which is a right that allows access to sensitive information. </p><p>As such, it is likely that you will need to run a Request for Comment (or similar process) to ascertain consensus for the implementation of this feature. To help guide such a discussion, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SecurePoll/Local_elections" class="extiw" title="metawiki:SecurePoll/Local elections">we've put together a Meta-Wiki page</a> with more information about what enabling the right will mean for your community. </p><p>If your community does discuss and decides to move forward with this, T&amp;S would like to support you — please let us know via email ( ca@wikimedia.org ) if and when consensus is reached. Thank you!--<a href="/wiki/User:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User:JSutherland (WMF)">JSutherland (WMF)</a>(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JSutherland_(WMF)&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:JSutherland (WMF)(页面不存在)">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-JSutherland_(WMF)-20241017200700-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月17日 (四) 20:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-20241017200700-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017200700","author":"JSutherland (WMF)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JSutherland_(WMF)-20241017200700-\u5728\u672c\u5730\u555f\u7528\u5b89\u5168\u6295\u7968\u53caelectionadmin\u6743\u9650","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-20241017200700-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017202500-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>翻译:</b> </p><p>大家好!我是Joe Sutherland,来自维基媒体基金会信任与安全团队。过去,我们了解到贵社群对使用SecurePoll进行选举有一定兴趣——或许你们已经通过votewiki进行了相关选举。我们目前正在研究如何使这一功能能在本地社区中启用,以允许社群自行举办选举。这将需要在贵项目上启用“electionadmin”权限,该权限允许访问一些敏感信息。 </p><p>因此,贵社群可能需要进行一次<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">请求评论</a>(或类似流程)来确定是否有共识启用此功能。为帮助此类讨论,我们在<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SecurePoll/Local_elections" class="extiw" title="metawiki:SecurePoll/Local elections">一个元维基页面</a>上提供了更多关于启用该权限对贵社群意味着什么的资讯。 </p><p>如果贵社群经过讨论并决定推进此事,信任与安全团队愿意提供支持——请在达成共识后通过电子邮件( ca@wikimedia.org )告知我们。谢谢! </p><p>译者:<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241017202500-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月17日 (四) 20:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017202500-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017202500","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241017202500-\u5728\u672c\u5730\u555f\u7528\u5b89\u5168\u6295\u7968\u53caelectionadmin\u6743\u9650","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017202500-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span> </p> <hr/> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>electionadmin是干嘛的?元维基中的介绍,供参考:<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r61209892">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{margin-top:0;overflow:hidden}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite{line-height:1em;text-align:left;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite cite{font-size:small}</style></dd></dl> <blockquote class="templatequote"><p><code>electionadmin</code> is a right that allows users to set up elections with SecurePoll. However, crucially, <b>it allows these users to view voter data</b>, which includes CheckUser-level IP and user agent information for all voters. This is to allow detection of duplicate votes. Its sensitive nature means it should be handed out with extreme caution and only to trusted users (for instance, those who already possess the CheckUser right).</p></blockquote><p>—<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月17日 (四) 20:31 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017203100","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100-\u5728\u672c\u5730\u555f\u7528\u5b89\u5168\u6295\u7968\u53caelectionadmin\u6743\u9650","replies":["c-Hamish-20241018043100-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span> </p><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241018043100-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100"></span>TLDR:electionadmin可以看到所有投票者的IP及UA信息,應高度謹慎授權,並建議賦權給本地CU權限持有者。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241018043100-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月18日 (五) 04:31 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241018043100-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018043100","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hamish-20241018043100-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241018043100-ZhaoFJx-20241017203100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241018033900-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>已更改標題以準確描述。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241018033900-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月18日 (五) 03:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241018033900-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241018053600-Hamish-20241018033900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月18日 (五) 05:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241018053600-Hamish-20241018033900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018053600","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241018053600-Hamish-20241018033900","replies":["c-LuciferianThomas-20241018063300-\u9b54\u7434-20241018053600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241018053600-Hamish-20241018033900"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&amp;group=electionadmin&amp;wpsubmit=&amp;wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&amp;limit=50"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LuciferianThomas-20241018063300-魔琴-20241018053600"></span>Yes,不過本地OS在該站是臨時權限</a>。未來若打算維持是CU和OS負責監票,就可以直接把監票權限直接給CU和OS。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:LuciferianThomas" title="User:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">路</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LuciferianThomas" title="User talk:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">西</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/LuciferianThomas" title="Special:用户贡献/LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">法</span></a><a href="/wiki/%E8%B7%AF%E8%A5%BF%E6%B3%95%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9" title="路西法主義"><span style="color:#b00">人</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-LuciferianThomas-20241018063300-魔琴-20241018053600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月18日 (五) 06:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LuciferianThomas-20241018063300-魔琴-20241018053600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018063300","author":"LuciferianThomas","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LuciferianThomas-20241018063300-\u9b54\u7434-20241018053600","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8def"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LuciferianThomas-20241018063300-魔琴-20241018053600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th> </th> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20241019033400-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>现状 </th> <th>本地启用后 </th></tr> <tr> <td>准备工作 </td> <td>- </td> <td>本地请求监管员授予相关人士"electionadmin"权限 </td></tr> <tr> <td>创建投票 </td> <td>T&amp;S在votewiki创建 </td> <td>electionadmin在本站创建 </td></tr> <tr> <td>生成名单 </td> <td colspan="2" style="text-align:center;">没有变化 </td></tr> <tr> <td>投票 </td> <td colspan="2" style="text-align:center;">没有变化 </td></tr> <tr> <td>监票 </td> <td>T&amp;S授予相关人士"electionadmin"权限,划去应作废的票 </td> <td>"electionadmin"划去应作废的票 </td></tr> <tr> <td>宣布结果 </td> <td colspan="2" style="text-align:center;">没有变化 </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>以上是我个人对“本地举办安全投票的理解”,其中electionadmin可以在选举开始前在<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SRP" class="extiw" title="m:SRP">m:SRP</a>上临时授予给相关人士,避免高级权限带来的隐私问题。在我看来,本地举办可以让界面变成中文;创建投票不再强依赖于T&amp;S,不会有什么“等圣诞假期”这种过去遇到的问题;不再需要在phabricator创建任务,社群参与度更高;界面上有什么词写错了可以更快的修复:目前还没想到明显的缺点,可能是会有人质疑投票存在被本地干预的风险(相较于votewiki)?<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20241019033400-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月19日 (六) 03:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20241019033400-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-魔琴-20241023014900-Stang-20241019033400"></span>votewiki:Special:UserGroupRights</a>:votewiki上<code>electionadmin</code>仅有「偷看选民信息」<code>(securepoll-view-voter-pii)</code>和「破坏用户界面」<code>(editinterface)</code>两个权限,“创建投票”权限<code>(securepoll-create-poll)</code>只有<code>electcomm</code>和<code>staffsupport</code>拥有。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241023014900-Stang-20241019033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 01:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241023014900-Stang-20241019033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023014900","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241023014900-Stang-20241019033400","replies":["c-Stang-20241023021900-\u9b54\u7434-20241023014900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241023014900-Stang-20241019033400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20241023021900-魔琴-20241023014900"></span>小课堂时间,咱来解释一些容易混淆的概念:</dd> <dd>我们这里有四个概念,scrutineer(监票员)、Election administrators(选举管理员)、electionadmin、electcomm <ul><li><b>监票员</b>是在一场选举之中对所有选票进行检查的人,他会负责查看投出选票的人是否是符合标准的,这张选票是不是重复的(比如多个分身账号、傀儡投票什么的);</li> <li><b>选举管理员</b>是创建并设置投票的人,目前T&amp;S的那两位就是“选举管理员”;</li> <li><b>electionadmin</b>是一个用户权限组,我们的监票员们需要这个权限组来查看那些PII,来判断某张选票是否符合标准;</li> <li><b>electcomm</b>则是另一个权限组,这个权限组是给<b>选举委员会</b>的成员准备的,T&amp;S的人说这个权限组设计之初是为了方便理事会选举的一些事项。它在实际中跟“electionadmin”这个组没什么区别。</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308397#7943036" class="extiw" title="phab:T308397">source</a>,希望有帮助 <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20241023021900-魔琴-20241023014900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 02:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20241023021900-魔琴-20241023014900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023021900","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Stang-20241023021900-\u9b54\u7434-20241023014900","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241023025700-Stang-20241023021900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20241023021900-魔琴-20241023014900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241023025700-Stang-20241023021900"></span>感谢,但是晕晕。所以监票员(scrutineer)和选举管理员(Election administrators)在技术上不存在?electionadmin 的 user group right 包括 securepoll-create-poll 吗? ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241023025700-Stang-20241023021900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 02:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241023025700-Stang-20241023021900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023025700","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241023025700-Stang-20241023021900","replies":["c-Stang-20241023031500-\u9b54\u7434-20241023025700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241023025700-Stang-20241023021900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20241023031500-魔琴-20241023025700"></span>可以这么理解;在votewiki上不,但是根据<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SecurePoll/Local_elections" class="extiw" title="m:SecurePoll/Local elections">这里的描述</a>,本地是会有的。换个方法解释一下:在votewiki上,electcomm负责创建和配置选举,并给一些人electionadmin的权限,后者会去做监票的工作;本地如果启用,electionadmin会负责创建和配置选举,以及负责监票。这么说的话,我建议把这个新的权限组翻译成“选举管理员”。<span style="display:none">@<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴">魔琴</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20241023031500-魔琴-20241023025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 03:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20241023031500-魔琴-20241023025700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023031500","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Stang-20241023031500-\u9b54\u7434-20241023025700","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241023032900-Stang-20241023031500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20241023031500-魔琴-20241023025700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241023032900-Stang-20241023031500"></span>明白。感谢。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241023032900-Stang-20241023031500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 03:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241023032900-Stang-20241023031500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023032900","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241023032900-Stang-20241023031500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241023032900-Stang-20241023031500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241019104500-Stang-20241019033400"></span>若本地啟用安全投票,即可廢去現行被迫定期集中舉行申請之制度,回復原先之自由提名制,或得促進社群成員申請管理人員。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241019104500-Stang-20241019033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月19日 (六) 10:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241019104500-Stang-20241019033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019104500","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241019104500-Stang-20241019033400","replies":["c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241020125400-Ericliu1912-20241019104500"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241019104500-Stang-20241019033400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20241020125400-Ericliu1912-20241019104500"></span>或许也可参考英维搞自由提名与集中申请制度并行。--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20241020125400-Ericliu1912-20241019104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月20日 (日) 12:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20241020125400-Ericliu1912-20241019104500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020125400","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241020125400-Ericliu1912-20241019104500","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20241020125400-Ericliu1912-20241019104500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241021180400-Stang-20241019033400"></span>长期授予监督员监票权限会不会有问题?是否需要重提取回CU权限?</s> ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241021180400-Stang-20241019033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月21日 (一) 18:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241021180400-Stang-20241019033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241021180400","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241021180400-Stang-20241019033400","replies":["c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241022141800-\u9b54\u7434-20241021180400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241021180400-Stang-20241019033400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20241022141800-魔琴-20241021180400"></span>也没说一定要长期授予啊,如果社群对长期授予有疑虑完全可以改为临时权限。--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20241022141800-魔琴-20241021180400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月22日 (二) 14:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20241022141800-魔琴-20241021180400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022141800","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241022141800-\u9b54\u7434-20241021180400","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20241022141800-魔琴-20241021180400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241023014800-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>随便先列了几条文字以推动讨论。 </p> <table class="skin-invert" style="width:100%; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr> <td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #ECFCF4; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>現行條文</big></dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%94%B3%E8%AF%B7%E6%88%90%E4%B8%BA%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E4%BA%BA%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:申请成为管理人员">Wikipedia:申请成为管理人员</a>:<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>若本地有两名或以上<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OS">监督员</a>在安全投票开始前表示愿意监票,则由愿意执行监票工作的监督员与其他<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%9B%91%E7%AE%A1%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:监管员">监管员</a>共同协助监票。若本地能够执行监票工作的监督员不足两人,则由监管员独自负责监票。 </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td><td valign="top" style=""> <div align="center"> <div style="position: relative; left: 6px; top: 6px;margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 100%; text-align: left;"> <div style="background: #F1F0F1;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -1px; top: -1px; background: #DBDADB;"> <div style="position: relative; left: -2px; top: -2px; background: #B8B6B8;"> <table style="position: relative; left: -3px; top: -3px; padding: 5px; width: 100%; background: #F9F9F9; border-color: #2F6FAB; border-width: 1px; border-style: dotted; table-layout: fixed;"><tbody><tr><td> <dl><dt><big>提議條文</big></dt></dl> 监选员(electionadmin,暂译)权限应仅授予<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CU">用户查核员</a>、<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OS">监督员</a>、监管员。<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>若本地有至少两名用户查核员或监督员在安全投票开始前表示愿意监票,则由愿意执行监票工作的本地用户与其他<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%9B%91%E7%AE%A1%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:监管员">监管员</a>共同协助监票,用户查核员优先于监督员。若本地能够执行监票工作的用户不足两人,则由监管员独自负责监票。<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>投票开始前,应请求监管员授予本地负责用户监选员权限。<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>投票结束后应及时除去权限。<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>监选员拥有以下权限:<ul><li>编辑用户界面<code>(editinterface)</code></li><li>访问投票者的个人可识别信息<code>(securepoll-view-voter-pii)</code></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table><p>既然是长期的制度性存在的用户组我就将CU考虑进来了。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241023014800-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 01:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241023014800-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241023033500-魔琴-20241023014800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 03:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241023033500-魔琴-20241023014800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023033500","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241023033500-\u9b54\u7434-20241023014800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241023033500-魔琴-20241023014800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700-魔琴-20241023014800"></span>其实权限不需要用一次去一次吧?如果是担心CU隐私的话,electionadmin只能看到投票人在本次securepoll的信息,并不能用该权限直接去CU别人。另建议用脚注注释下“个人可识别信息” ——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700-魔琴-20241023014800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 10:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700-魔琴-20241023014800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023105700","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700-\u9b54\u7434-20241023014800","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700-魔琴-20241023014800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700"></span>既為任務編組權限,如機器使用者般,則一般不應長期持有。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 11:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023111900","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700","replies":["c-Wong128hk-20241027060300-Ericliu1912-20241023111900"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-ZhaoFJx-20241023105700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wong128hk-20241027060300-Ericliu1912-20241023111900"></span>所以意思是每有選舉就要再申請/授予權限?--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Wong128hk" title="User:Wong128hk"><span style="color: #252850;">J.</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wong128hk" title="User talk:Wong128hk"><span style="color: #252850;">Wong</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Wong128hk-20241027060300-Ericliu1912-20241023111900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月27日 (日) 06:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wong128hk-20241027060300-Ericliu1912-20241023111900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027060300","author":"Wong128hk","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wong128hk-20241027060300-Ericliu1912-20241023111900","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20241027110800-Wong128hk-20241027060300"],"displayName":"J."}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wong128hk-20241027060300-Ericliu1912-20241023111900"></span> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241027110800-Wong128hk-20241027060300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wong128hk" title="User:Wong128hk">Wong128hk</a>:</span>或者規定簽署隱私協議之行政員、監督員等可當然持有此權限,協助鋪張選舉,我覺得也符合本地未來可能情況。畢竟以後就不用強迫定期集體申請了。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241027110800-Wong128hk-20241027060300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月27日 (日) 11:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241027110800-Wong128hk-20241027060300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027110800","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241027110800-Wong128hk-20241027060300","replies":["c-LuciferianThomas-20241028042900-Ericliu1912-20241027110800"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241027110800-Wong128hk-20241027060300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LuciferianThomas-20241028042900-Ericliu1912-20241027110800"></span>反正本地有SecurePoll後,用戶可以隨時申請成為管理人員,每次都授予/解除權限也太麻煩,electionadmin完全可以讓OS或CU長期持有。倒是如仲委會選舉未來該設eleccomm,就是每次選舉再每次授權了。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:LuciferianThomas" title="User:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">路</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LuciferianThomas" title="User talk:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">西</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/LuciferianThomas" title="Special:用户贡献/LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">法</span></a><a href="/wiki/%E8%B7%AF%E8%A5%BF%E6%B3%95%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9" title="路西法主義"><span style="color:#b00">人</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-LuciferianThomas-20241028042900-Ericliu1912-20241027110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月28日 (一) 04:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LuciferianThomas-20241028042900-Ericliu1912-20241027110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241028042900","author":"LuciferianThomas","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-LuciferianThomas-20241028042900-Ericliu1912-20241027110800","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8def"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LuciferianThomas-20241028042900-Ericliu1912-20241027110800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-魔琴-20241023014800"></span>建議譯為「選舉監察員」,符合漢語用例。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-魔琴-20241023014800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月23日 (三) 11:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-魔琴-20241023014800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023111900","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-\u9b54\u7434-20241023014800","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241023111900-魔琴-20241023014800"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <div role="note" style="float:right; clear:right; border:1px solid #999; -moz-border-radius: 2px; -webkit-border-radius: 2px; border-radius: 2px; background-color:#eee; font-size:85%; text-align:center; padding:0.5em; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; width:12em" class="skin-invert plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">於<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a>查看<br/><b><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380020" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T380020"><span class="trakfab-T380020">編號T380020的工單</span></a></b><br/></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20241031142900-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"></span>距上条留言已过三日,姑且总结一下讨论。目前讨论用户基本就引入electionadmin用户组达成共识,在是否允许簽署隱私協議的行政員和監督員长期成为electionadmin也基本得出结论,然对于electionadmin的译名尚未有定论。当下讨论用户一共给出了三种方案,分别为Stang君提议的“选举管理员”、魔琴君提议的“监选员”以及EricLiu君提议的“选举监察员”。不知三位用户可否进一步阐明一下选择该译名的理由。当然如果有用户认为自己有更好的译名方案也欢迎提出。--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20241031142900-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 14:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20241031142900-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:Stang" title="User:Stang">Stang</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish">Hamish</a>:</span>通知下曾参与讨论的用户--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20241031143300-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 14:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20241031143300-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Hamish-20241031143700-人间百态-20241031143300"></span>上一條其實ping到了。然後我個人傾向於“選舉管理員”這個名字,監選員和選舉監察員總覺得怪怪的。而且本身electionadmin這個權限本身就可以管理選舉的創建,我覺得更符合其實際用途。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241031143700-人间百态-20241031143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 14:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241031143700-人间百态-20241031143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031143700","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hamish-20241031143700-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241031143300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241031143700-人间百态-20241031143300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241031152800-人间百态-20241031143300"></span>因爲“選舉”能作名詞能作動詞,所以“選舉某某員”一詞有歧義。這種歧義能在語境中消解,但是我認爲比較有礙溝通,特別是對不知道有此術語的用戶來説。我也在想其它用詞,但可能比較文,也不易於理解,譬如因<a href="/wiki/%E7%9F%A5%E5%B7%9E" title="知州">知</a>有管理之義而叫“知選”“知選員”,因<a href="/wiki/%E7%9B%A3" title="監">監</a>(去聲)有官員之義而叫“選監”…… ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241031152800-人间百态-20241031143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 15:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241031152800-人间百态-20241031143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031152800","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241031143300","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20241031174500-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800","c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241101043500-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800","c-Yining_Chen-20241109113900-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241031152800-人间百态-20241031143300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241031174500-魔琴-20241031152800"></span>我不理解。「監督員」、「(使用者)查核員」甚至「管理員」也全部是這種名詞,亦幾未見誤解。仍建議叫「選舉監察員」,行文時則可非正式簡稱為「監察員」。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241031174500-魔琴-20241031152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 17:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241031174500-魔琴-20241031152800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031174500","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241031174500-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241101020900-Ericliu1912-20241031174500"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241031174500-魔琴-20241031152800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241101020900-Ericliu1912-20241031174500"></span>员不能成词啊,不可能理解为监督出一个“员”来。<small>(量词可以成词。)</small> ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241101020900-Ericliu1912-20241031174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月1日 (五) 02:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241101020900-Ericliu1912-20241031174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101020900","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241101020900-Ericliu1912-20241031174500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241101020900-Ericliu1912-20241031174500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-自由雨日-20241101043500-魔琴-20241031152800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴">魔琴</a>:“选举”不能作名词,除非您认同沈老的“名动包含论”()--<span style="font-family:cursive"><a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User:自由雨日">自由雨日</a>🌧️<small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User talk:自由雨日">留言</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">贡献</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-自由雨日-20241101043500-魔琴-20241031152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月1日 (五) 04:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-自由雨日-20241101043500-魔琴-20241031152800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101043500","author":"\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241101043500-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241101061000-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241101043500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-自由雨日-20241101043500-魔琴-20241031152800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241101061000-自由雨日-20241101043500"></span>现汉上的全忘了,意思理解就好(? ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241101061000-自由雨日-20241101043500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月1日 (五) 06:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241101061000-自由雨日-20241101043500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101061000","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241101061000-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241101043500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241101061000-自由雨日-20241101043500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#B93B8F;background:#E6A9EC;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yining_Chen-20241109113900-魔琴-20241031152800"></span>(-)</span><b>不支持</b>“监选员”这一翻译。该词字面上来看十分奇怪。个人无法理解为何要用一个看起来像是“简称”的名词来作为一个权限的正式译名;其次,该译名也无法直观地体现该权限的作用。--<a href="/wiki/User:Yining_Chen" title="User:Yining Chen">Yining Chen</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yining_Chen" title="User talk:Yining Chen">留言</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Yining_Chen" title="Special:用户贡献/Yining Chen">贡献</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Yining_Chen-20241109113900-魔琴-20241031152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月9日 (六) 11:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yining_Chen-20241109113900-魔琴-20241031152800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109113900","author":"Yining Chen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yining_Chen-20241109113900-\u9b54\u7434-20241031152800","replies":["c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241109123800-Yining_Chen-20241109113900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yining_Chen-20241109113900-魔琴-20241031152800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20241109123800-Yining_Chen-20241109113900"></span>那您认为“选举管理员”和“选举监察员”哪个名称更好?--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D%E6%9D%BF" title="User:人间百态/签名板">(签名)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20241109123800-Yining_Chen-20241109113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月9日 (六) 12:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20241109123800-Yining_Chen-20241109113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109123800","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241109123800-Yining_Chen-20241109113900","replies":["c-Yining_Chen-20241110142300-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241109123800"],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20241109123800-Yining_Chen-20241109113900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yining_Chen-20241110142300-人间百态-20241109123800"></span>按照惯例,感觉“选举管理员”或许更加符合使用习惯。包括此前的一些讨论,在称呼此权限时似乎也倾向于使用这一名称。--<a href="/wiki/User:Yining_Chen" title="User:Yining Chen">Yining Chen</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yining_Chen" title="User talk:Yining Chen">留言</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Yining_Chen" title="Special:用户贡献/Yining Chen">贡献</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Yining_Chen-20241110142300-人间百态-20241109123800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月10日 (日) 14:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yining_Chen-20241110142300-人间百态-20241109123800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241110142300","author":"Yining Chen","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Yining_Chen-20241110142300-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241109123800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yining_Chen-20241110142300-人间百态-20241109123800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000-人间百态-20241031143300"></span>如果可能的话,我倒是希望可以把“创建并管理投票”和“唱票及查看IP信息”的这两个权限分开。前者可以长期保留以确保灵活,后者则应用时申请不用时取消。其他的看起来不错。——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000-人间百态-20241031143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 15:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000-人间百态-20241031143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031153000","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241031143300","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153200-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000","c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241106143300-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000-人间百态-20241031143300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153200-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"></span>或者更大胆,所有延确用户都能访问计票统计,但监督行政员可以看到IP<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Doge.png/25px-Doge.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Doge.png/38px-Doge.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Doge.png/50px-Doge.png 2x" data-file-width="482" data-file-height="482"/></span></span>复核投票更方便,也能减轻压力。——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D" title="User:ZhaoFJx/签名"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153200-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年10月31日 (四) 15:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153200-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031153200","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153200-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241031153200-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人间百态-20241106143300-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"></span>那咱觉得倒不如把securepoll-create-poll直接给管理员,只把敏感的view-voter-pii受给监选员。--<span style="font-family:思源宋体,Cursive;font-style:normal;"><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态,独尊变态</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User talk:人间百态">(讨论)</a><a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81/%E7%AD%BE%E5%90%8D%E6%9D%BF" title="User:人间百态/签名板">(签名)</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-人间百态-20241106143300-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月6日 (三) 14:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人间百态-20241106143300-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106143300","author":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241106143300-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000","replies":["c-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241106143300"],"displayName":"\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001,\u72ec\u5c0a\u53d8\u6001"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-人间百态-20241106143300-ZhaoFJx-20241031153000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400-人间百态-20241106143300"></span>有道理……我去留言问下是否可行——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">即请秋安 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/S" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZhaoFJx/S"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400-人间百态-20241106143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月6日 (三) 16:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400-人间百态-20241106143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106163400","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241106143300","replies":["c-Hamish-20241115104100-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400-人间百态-20241106143300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241115104100-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400"></span>如果可以分開給的話,其實直接把securepoll-create-poll給管理員,然後view-voter-pii給監督員。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241115104100-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 10:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241115104100-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115104100","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Hamish-20241115104100-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241115104100-ZhaoFJx-20241106163400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241116192100-人间百态-20241031143300"></span>邮件已获回复,摘抄:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r61209892"></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <blockquote class="templatequote"> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thank you for reaching out. I'll escalate this internally. It looks like some of this work may already have been done by SD0001: <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377531">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377531</a></dd> <dd></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></blockquote> <dd>——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">敬颂冬绥 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/S" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZhaoFJx/S"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241116192100-人间百态-20241031143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月16日 (六) 19:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241116192100-人间百态-20241031143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116192100","author":"ZhaoFJx","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZhaoFJx-20241116192100-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241031143300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZhaoFJx-20241116192100-人间百态-20241031143300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241110162900-人间百态-20241031143300"></span>「選舉監察員」及「選舉管理員」均可。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241110162900-人间百态-20241031143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月10日 (日) 16:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241110162900-人间百态-20241031143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241110162900","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241110162900-\u4eba\u95f4\u767e\u6001-20241031143300","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241110162900-人间百态-20241031143300"></span></dd> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="小结_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-小结_2-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限-20241120090800"><span id=".E5.B0.8F.E7.BB.93_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-小结_2-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限-20241120090800"></span>小结<span data-mw-comment-end="h-小结_2-在本地啟用安全投票及electionadmin权限-20241120090800"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=17" title="编辑章节:小结"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20241120090800-小结_2"></span>以上关于本地进行安全投票的讨论看起来并没有收到反对意见,个人觉得可以进行公示并进行下一步操作了。简单总结一下达成的共识: </p> <ol><li>本站认为在本站内部自行举办安全投票可行;</li> <li>本站将向管理员用户组添加若干权限,以允许管理员创建并配置安全投票;</li> <li>本站继续沿用先前约定,使用“两名或以上监督员”进行监票,新增一个(名称待定的)用户组并(临时/永久待定的)授予当前的监督员。</li></ol> <p>在完成技术上的修改后,可以考虑在本地举办下一场安全投票,也可以考虑先进行一场测试来保证功能正常符合预期。以上<span style="display:none">@<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E9%97%B4%E7%99%BE%E6%80%81" title="User:人间百态">人间百态</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx">ZhaoFJx</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Wong128hk" title="User:Wong128hk">Wong128hk</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:LuciferianThomas" title="User:LuciferianThomas">LuciferianThomas</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴">魔琴</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish">Hamish</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User:自由雨日">自由雨日</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Yining_Chen" title="User:Yining Chen">Yining Chen</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20241120090800-小结_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 09:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20241120090800-小结_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120090800","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stang-20241120090800-\u5c0f\u7ed3_2","replies":["c-Hamish-20241120101100-Stang-20241120090800","c-ZhaoFJx-20241120160900-Stang-20241120090800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20241120090800-小结_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241120101100-Stang-20241120090800"></span>( ✓ )</span><b>同意</b>1與2。3,<b>想請問社群是否同意</b>,如技術上可行的話,直接授予監督員<code>securepoll-create-poll</code>和<code>securepoll-view-voter-pii</code>權限,還是一定要將二權限授予(名稱待定的)用戶組,再將該用戶組(臨時/永久待定的)授予當前的監督員。希望進行一場測試,但不知道能不能。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241120101100-Stang-20241120090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 10:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241120101100-Stang-20241120090800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120101100","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hamish-20241120101100-Stang-20241120090800","replies":["c-Stang-20241126125100-Hamish-20241120101100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241120101100-Stang-20241120090800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20241126125100-Hamish-20241120101100"></span>个人感觉这样不是太妥当,有失某个权限组的纯粹性,咱还是建议新增独立权限组的。比如“监票”跟监督这一特殊的版本删除方式并无关系,甚至可能本站之前让OSer去监票也有点望文生义的意思(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20241126125100-Hamish-20241120101100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 12:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20241126125100-Hamish-20241120101100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126125100","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Stang-20241126125100-Hamish-20241120101100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20241126125100-Hamish-20241120101100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241120160900-Stang-20241120090800"></span>不太确定第二条中所述的管理员创建投票,其余<span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;">(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b></s>——<span style="font-family:华文楷体;">敬颂冬绥 <a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx" title="User:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;"><b>ZhaoFJx</b></span></a><sub><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZhaoFJx" title="User talk:ZhaoFJx"><span style="color:#000;">论</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/User:ZhaoFJx/S" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZhaoFJx/S"><span style="color:#000;">签</span></a></b>)</sub></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ZhaoFJx-20241120160900-Stang-20241120090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 16:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZhaoFJx-20241120160900-Stang-20241120090800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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.inline-text-block-hsl:hover,.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl:active,.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl::selection{color:#000000!important;transition:0.15s linear}.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl:hover a,.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl:active a,.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl a::selection{color:#0033cc!important;transition:0.15s linear}.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl:hover .new,.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl:active .new,.mw-parser-output .inline-text-block-hsl .new::selection{color:#cc3300!important;transition:0.15s linear}</style><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">碰巧看到</mark>考察資料,我收回此前意見;「監選員」確實是漢語用詞,且較簡潔,故應可行。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241120151800-小结_2"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yining_Chen-20241121091500-Ericliu1912-20241120151800"></span>仍然保持此前的观点,即平日交流中可用“监选员”做简称(像是<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a>可简称“提删”),但在正式确定其名称时仍应着重考虑完整、全面、严谨且易于理解的译名。--<a href="/wiki/User:Yining_Chen" title="User:Yining Chen">Yining Chen</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yining_Chen" title="User talk:Yining Chen">留言</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Yining_Chen" title="Special:用户贡献/Yining Chen">贡献</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Yining_Chen-20241121091500-Ericliu1912-20241120151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yining_Chen-20241121091500-Ericliu1912-20241120151800"><span 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241121130500-Yining_Chen-20241121091500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 13:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241121130500-Yining_Chen-20241121091500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121130500","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241121130500-Yining_Chen-20241121091500","replies":["c-Yining_Chen-20241123133700-Ericliu1912-20241121130500"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-\u9b54\u7434-20241105084100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u5927\u6d0b\u6d32\u6708-20241105084100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-\u9b54\u7434-20241105084100-\u5927\u6d0b\u6d32\u6708&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u5927\u6d0b\u6d32\u6708&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u5927\u6d0b\u6d32\u6708&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241105084100-大洋洲月"></span>之前好像有用戶在ac羣提出舉辦大洋洲月,建議<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Mois_oc%C3%A9anien_Wikip%C3%A9dia" class="extiw" title="fr:Wikipédia:Mois océanien Wikipédia">追隨frwiki</a>在十二月舉辦。爲了避免大洋洲月變成<a href="/wiki/%E6%BE%B3%E5%A4%A7%E6%8B%89%E8%A5%BF%E4%BA%9E" title="澳大拉西亞">澳紐</a>月,是否應改成大洋洲南方國家月?澳大利亞和紐西蘭可以加入「歐洲、北美和澳大拉西亞月」。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241105084100-大洋洲月" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月5日 (二) 08:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241105084100-大洋洲月"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Allervous-20241106020000-魔琴-20241105084100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月6日 (三) 02:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allervous-20241106020000-魔琴-20241105084100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106020000","author":"Allervous","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Allervous-20241106020000-\u9b54\u7434-20241105084100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allervous-20241106020000-魔琴-20241105084100"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:#D2691E;color:white;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allervous-20241106092500-魔琴-20241105084100"></span>(~)</b></span><b>補充</b>,还不如跟亚洲月合并呢,因为地缘接近“亚太月”的缘故,等明年吧。--<a href="/wiki/User:Allervous/%E8%A8%AA%E5%AE%A2%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D%E5%8D%80" title="User:Allervous/訪客簽名區"><span style="color:#39C5BB;">Allervous</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allervous" title="User talk:Allervous"><span style="color:#FF0099;">シカ部・ざ・ろっく!</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Allervous-20241106092500-魔琴-20241105084100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月6日 (三) 09:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allervous-20241106092500-魔琴-20241105084100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106092500","author":"Allervous","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Allervous-20241106092500-\u9b54\u7434-20241105084100","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241106100900-Allervous-20241106092500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allervous-20241106092500-魔琴-20241105084100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241106100900-Allervous-20241106092500"></span>亚洲月是全域活动,大概不好合并…… ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241106100900-Allervous-20241106092500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月6日 (三) 10:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241106100900-Allervous-20241106092500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106100900","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241106100900-Allervous-20241106092500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241106100900-Allervous-20241106092500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AT-20241108113000-魔琴-20241105084100"></span>澳紐也沒有到很充足吧?--<a href="/wiki/User:AT" title="User:AT"><span style="color:purple; font-size:120%;"><b>A</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AT" title="User talk:AT"><span style="color:skyblue; font-size:120%;"><b>T</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AT-20241108113000-魔琴-20241105084100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月8日 (五) 11:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AT-20241108113000-魔琴-20241105084100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Allervous-20241108140800-AT-20241108113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月8日 (五) 14:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allervous-20241108140800-AT-20241108113000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108140800","author":"Allervous","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Allervous-20241108140800-AT-20241108113000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allervous-20241108140800-AT-20241108113000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-宝山30路-20241109101900-AT-20241108113000"></span>可以考虑到有<a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E5%B2%9B%E8%AF%AD%E6%97%8F" class="mw-redirect" title="南岛语族">南岛语族</a>这个东西(最西范围是<a href="/wiki/%E9%A9%AC%E8%BE%BE%E5%8A%A0%E6%96%AF%E5%8A%A0" title="马达加斯加">马达加斯加</a>),把除了<a href="/wiki/%E6%BE%B3%E6%96%B0" class="mw-redirect" title="澳新">澳新</a>以外的大洋洲国家整体并入非洲月,或者将澳新划入非洲月,这样也比较合理。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:WenChuanHighway" title="User:WenChuanHighway"><span style="color:#FFCC33">蕰</span><span style="color:#000000">川</span></a><a href="/wiki/%E8%95%B0%E5%B7%9D%E5%85%AC%E8%B7%AF" title="蕰川公路"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">|</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%AE%9D%E5%B1%B130%E8%B7%AF" title="User talk:宝山30路"><span style="color:#000000">公</span><span style="color:#FFCC33">路</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-宝山30路-20241109101900-AT-20241108113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月9日 (六) 10:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-宝山30路-20241109101900-AT-20241108113000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109101900","author":"\u5b9d\u5c7130\u8def","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u5b9d\u5c7130\u8def-20241109101900-AT-20241108113000","replies":["c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700-\u5b9d\u5c7130\u8def-20241109101900","c-Newbamboo-20241117122200-\u5b9d\u5c7130\u8def-20241109101900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-宝山30路-20241109101900-AT-20241108113000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#8D608C;color:#FFFFFF"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700-宝山30路-20241109101900"></span>(&)</span><b>建議</b>“非洲月”“大洋洲月”“南美洲月”“拉丁美洲月”合并,按「南半球月」展开。每个洲搞一个月疲劳是注定的。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700-宝山30路-20241109101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700-宝山30路-20241109101900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115093700","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700-\u5b9d\u5c7130\u8def-20241109101900","replies":["c-AT-20241115100100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700","c-FradonStar-20241115153800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700","c-Allervous-20241118022800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700-宝山30路-20241109101900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AT-20241115100100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"></span>(+)</b></span><b>贊成</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:AT" title="User:AT"><span style="color:purple; font-size:120%;"><b>A</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AT" title="User talk:AT"><span style="color:skyblue; font-size:120%;"><b>T</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AT-20241115100100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 10:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AT-20241115100100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-FradonStar-20241115153800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 15:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FradonStar-20241115153800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115153800","author":"FradonStar","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FradonStar-20241115153800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700","replies":[],"displayName":"\u30d5\u30e9\u30c9\u30f3"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FradonStar-20241115153800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allervous-20241118022800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>,不过举办期一个月太少了,对于靠挖掘传统百科全书编辑条目的我而言,两个月可能会更好。--<a href="/wiki/User:Allervous/%E8%A8%AA%E5%AE%A2%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D%E5%8D%80" title="User:Allervous/訪客簽名區"><span style="color:#39C5BB;">Allervous</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allervous" title="User talk:Allervous"><span style="color:#FF0099;">シカ部・ざ・ろっく!</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Allervous-20241118022800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月18日 (一) 02:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allervous-20241118022800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118022800","author":"Allervous","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Allervous-20241118022800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allervous-20241118022800-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newbamboo-20241117122200-宝山30路-20241109101900"></span>反對將任何位於大洋洲的國家併入非洲月,離得實在是太遠看不到什麽關聯,也反對合併拉美月與非洲月,但支持將印度尼西亞、汶萊、菲律賓、東帝汶從亞洲月劃入大洋洲月。--<a href="/wiki/User:Newbamboo" title="User:Newbamboo">🎋<span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>竹</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newbamboo" title="User talk:Newbamboo"><span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>生</b></span>🎍</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Newbamboo-20241117122200-宝山30路-20241109101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月17日 (日) 12:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newbamboo-20241117122200-宝山30路-20241109101900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117122200","author":"Newbamboo","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Newbamboo-20241117122200-\u5b9d\u5c7130\u8def-20241109101900","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf8b\u7af9"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newbamboo-20241117122200-宝山30路-20241109101900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-静魔魔女-20241118103200-魔琴-20241105084100"></span>反对,新西兰相关条目非常不充足,尤其是毛利条目--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%99%E9%AD%94%E9%AD%94%E5%A5%B3" title="User:静魔魔女">a'4 d<i>8 e</i>8 a'4 g'4 a'4 g'8 e'8 a'2</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-静魔魔女-20241118103200-魔琴-20241105084100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月18日 (一) 10:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-静魔魔女-20241118103200-魔琴-20241105084100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="color:#39C5BB;">Allervous</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allervous" title="User talk:Allervous"><span style="color:#FF0099;">シカ部・ざ・ろっく!</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Allervous-20241119233900-静魔魔女-20241118103200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月19日 (二) 23:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allervous-20241119233900-静魔魔女-20241118103200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119233900","author":"Allervous","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Allervous-20241119233900-\u9759\u9b54\u9b54\u5973-20241118103200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allervous-20241119233900-静魔魔女-20241118103200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Thyj-20241111022900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f-20241111022900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Thyj-20241111022900-\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f&quot;}--><h2 id="这张图片能移到Commons吗?" data-mw-thread-id="h-这张图片能移到Commons吗?-20241111022900"><span id=".E8.BF.99.E5.BC.A0.E5.9B.BE.E7.89.87.E8.83.BD.E7.A7.BB.E5.88.B0Commons.E5.90.97.EF.BC.9F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-这张图片能移到Commons吗?-20241111022900"></span>这张图片能移到Commons吗?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-这张图片能移到Commons吗?-20241111022900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=19" title="编辑章节:这张图片能移到Commons吗?"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Thyj-20241111022900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f-20241111022900","replies":["c-Thyj-20241111022900-\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Thyj-20241120043500-Thyj-20241111022900","timestamp":"20241120043500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Thyj-20241111022900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f-20241111022900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Thyj-20241111022900-\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u8fd9\u5f20\u56fe\u7247\u80fd\u79fb\u5230Commons\u5417\uff1f&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%E6%99%AE%E9%80%9ADISCO" title="普通DISCO"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thyj-20241111022900-这张图片能移到Commons吗?"></span>普通DISCO</a>配图,上传者标为合理使用,但是因为图片内容仅有简单的文字,我改成了{{PD-textlogo}}。请问可不可以移动到Commons?--<a href="/wiki/User:Thyj" title="User:Thyj">Thyj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thyj" title="User talk:Thyj">คุย</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Thyj-20241111022900-这张图片能移到Commons吗?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月11日 (一) 02:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thyj-20241111022900-这张图片能移到Commons吗?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241111071800-Thyj-20241111022900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月11日 (一) 07:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241111071800-Thyj-20241111022900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111071800","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hamish-20241111071800-Thyj-20241111022900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241111071800-Thyj-20241111022900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allervous-20241119233000-Thyj-20241111022900"></span>经查,并无原创门槛问题,可。</dd> <dd>但如果字体是由特定人物设计的就有copyright。--<a href="/wiki/User:Allervous/%E8%A8%AA%E5%AE%A2%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D%E5%8D%80" title="User:Allervous/訪客簽名區"><span style="color:#39C5BB;">Allervous</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allervous" title="User talk:Allervous"><span style="color:#FF0099;">シカ部・ざ・ろっく!</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Allervous-20241119233000-Thyj-20241111022900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月19日 (二) 23:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allervous-20241119233000-Thyj-20241111022900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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2013-12.JPG">这条删除请求</a>中的说明,段文杰先生属于忠实性复原临摹,不具有版权。--<a href="/wiki/User:Thyj" title="User:Thyj">Thyj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thyj" title="User talk:Thyj">คุย</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Thyj-20241120043500-Thyj-20241111022900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 04:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thyj-20241120043500-Thyj-20241111022900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120043500","author":"Thyj","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thyj-20241120043500-Thyj-20241111022900","replies":[]}}--></span><span 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<p><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-begin|"></span></p><p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-自由雨日-20241113182800-管理操作覆核請求:不认为Ericliu1912在8月28日的双向互动禁制"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,在討論結束後應<b>存檔</b>至<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E6%93%8D%E4%BD%9C%E8%A6%86%E6%A0%B8%E8%AB%8B%E6%B1%82/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%94" title="Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求/存檔">Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求/存檔</a></b><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="archive-to|Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求/存檔"></span>。</p><p><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-end|"></span> </p><p><i>此請求是根據<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E6%93%8D%E4%BD%9C%E8%A6%86%E6%A0%B8%E8%AB%8B%E6%B1%82" title="Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求">Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求</a>所提出,請先閱讀相關內容。</i> </p> <dl><dd><b>操作</b>: 双向互动禁制</dd> <dd><b>执行者</b>: <a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">討論</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Ericliu1912" title="Special:用户贡献/Ericliu1912">貢獻</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E6%97%A5%E5%BF%97/Ericliu1912" title="Special:日志/Ericliu1912">日誌</a>)</dd></dl> <p>首先说在前面:“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><b>管理操作复核请求</b>用于复核管理人员或其他进阶权限持有人用权时是否符合方针与指引的规范。……管理操作复核请求旨在就具体管理操作是否适当达成共识,而非追究责任。</q>”所以,这笔管理操作复核既非封禁/禁制申诉(禁制期早已过),也非追究管理员Ericliu1912的责任(否则就是<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFDA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFDA">RFDA</a>了),仅是用于讨论该操作是否适当。 </p> <ul><li>在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-自由雨日-20240826060500-Chinuan12623_5" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">2024年8月26日</a>,我在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为">WP:管理员布告板/其他不当行为</a>由于被诽谤而提报了用户Chinuan12623。在阿南之人、Patrickov、Tisscherry、ASid、薏仁将、Wolfch、Heihaheihaha、WilliamSkyWalk等近10人参与提报区讨论之后,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Ericliu1912-20240827172800-Chinuan12623_5" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">8月28日</a>,管理员Ericliu1912作出了对Chinuan1262和我的互动禁制决定(另也对Chinuan1262和Tisscherry作了互动禁制)。首先,对<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#Chinuan12623_5" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">当时提报区的讨论做一个总结</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-阿南之人-20240827110900-自由雨日-20240826060500" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">阿南之人认为我属于回退明显破坏,要求Shizhao解释在提报之前对我的封禁</a>。我的封禁与该提报无直接关联,但封禁原因正是由于我三次用{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Deltalk" title="Template:Deltalk">deltalk</a>}}移除Chinuan诽谤我的留言。即,<b>阿南之人显然认为Chinuan12623的诽谤性留言不当</b>。</li> <li>Tisscherry对我表示感谢(因为我从最开始接触Chinuan12623就是由于在监视列表看Ericliu1912讨论页时,看到<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912#請處理Tisscherry移除他人在王必勝條目討論頁之留言" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">他直接向管理员要求处理Tisscherry</a>,而出手帮忙),并<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Tisscherry-20240826065800-自由雨日-20240826064500" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月"><b>表示Chinuan12623存在屡次曲解方针的行为和持续剪接留言的行为</b></a>。</li> <li>2024年8月26日 (一) 07:58 (UTC),Chinuan12623再度作出违反讨论页指引的操作,将新留言置于旧留言之上(<a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%B7%AE%E5%BC%82/83966785" title="Special:差异/83966785">版本差异</a>),4分钟后我在编辑摘要明确说明根据讨论页指引移动留言(<a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%B7%AE%E5%BC%82/83966828" title="Special:差异/83966828">版本差异</a>)。随后,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Patrickov-20240826080600-自由雨日-20240826080300" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">Patrickov表示他也正想移动</a>,即认可我的操作;随后<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Chinuan12623-20240826082000-Patrickov-20240826080600" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">Chinuan12623坚称其留言位置正确,并称他人“删改”其留言</a>。总结,<b>Patrickov显然同意其留言位置不符合《讨论页指引》</b>。</li> <li>随后,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Chinuan12623-20240826083200-Chinuan12623-20240826082300" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">Chinuan12623继续同Patrickov争执,坚称自己留言位置没错,称其“不计较也不告你俩乱改他人留言”</a>等等。Patrickov继续表示已给过《讨论页指引》,此时<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-薏仁將-20240826083400-Chinuan12623-20240826082300" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月"><b>薏仁将也表示Chinuan12623的留言不符合《讨论页指引》</b></a></li> <li>随后,Chinuan12623继续同薏仁将发生争执,不多时,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Wolfch-20240826115800-Chinuan12623-20240826115000" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">Wolfch也加入讨论,表示我的操作是“是维基百科允许的,不是乱删,也不是乱屏蔽他人留言”</a>,<b>认同我的操作,并不认为我违反任何指引</b>。</li> <li>随后,Heihaheihaha参与讨论,并就“处理”栏位等同Chinuan12623发生争议。争斗中,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Chinuan12623-20240827100300-Chinuan12623_5" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月"><b>Chinuan连ping Manchiu、Ericliu1912要求管理员揪处Heihaheihaha</b></a>,随后<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Wolfch-20240827101400-Chinuan12623-20240827100300" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月"><b>Wolfch表示是Chinuan自己的操作有问题</b></a>,但显然沟通无果。</li> <li>同时,WilliamSkyWalk加入讨论,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-WilliamSkyWalk-20240827034300-Chinuan12623-20240827033200" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">怀疑Chinuan的编辑倾向</a>。</li> <li>最后,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Tisscherry-20240827140300-Chinuan12623-20240827110100" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">Tisscherry加入讨论,作出让步的姿态</a>,但受到对方的负面回应。</li> <li>8月28日,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88#c-Ericliu1912-20240828163900-Ericliu1912-20240827172800" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">管理员Ericliu1912作出最终处理</a>,处理结果为,施予Chinuan12623和我、Chinuan12623和Tisscherry两组一周双向禁制,<b>除此之外再无任何处理</b>。其声称处理依据为:“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">双方已陷入“编辑遭回退、认为自身没错(“为什么他要回退我?”“管理员为什么不赶快封锁对方?”)、变本加厉反击”之向下螺旋,讨论情势持续恶化。无论双方具体堆积对错之分量,本人认为现有必要强行中止此一循环,俾便社群回归正常讨论氛围,或至少有机会较冷静审视自身态度。</q>”</li></ul></li> <li>我完全不认为Ericliu1912的这笔管理操作适当,接下来分析不合理原因: <ul><li>《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%A6%81%E5%88%B6%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#禁制的意義" title="Wikipedia:禁制方针">WP:禁制方针#禁制的意義</a>》明文有言:“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">当用户造成<b>极端</b>或<b>顽固问题</b>的<b>扰乱</b>行为(包括但不限于打编辑战、持续与他人产生争执,或为阐述其观点在特定页面或主题触犯其他方针指引),而<b>其他制裁措施无法阻止有关行为</b>,则可采用禁制作为<b>最后制裁措施</b>。</q>”接下来就针对该文本考虑几个问题: <ul><li>“极端顽固问题的扰乱行为”的起因是什么,是哪一方?既然是双向互动禁制而非单向,那也就是对双方来说平等的处置。我和Chinuan12623,双方是否均都进行了极端的扰乱行为?Ericliu声称“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">双方已陷入‘编辑遭回退、认为自身没错’</q>”的向下螺旋,这一表述字面义成立,双方确实都“认为自身没错”;然而,究竟双方“哪一方有错”,这显然是一个可以判断的命题(根据方针指引,根据提报区的讨论)。在这一问题上,管理员Ericliu1912却直接放弃了判断。</li> <li>我和Chinuan12623是否满足“持续于他人产生争执”这一禁制中的举例?在该提报区下,我同其的争执是否严重?这个提报最先提报的是Chinuan12623对我的诽谤行为,这属于双方的“争执”吗?在该提报区下,Chinuan12623因不愿遵守《讨论页指引》而与其他用户连续争议,这些能算是“争执”吗?</li> <li>这个提报的诉求,究竟<b>是要阻止什么行为</b>?近十人编者参与讨论,究竟是要阻止Chinuan12623的诽谤行为、不合讨论页指引的编辑行为,还是要阻止谁和谁的争执行为?很显然,管理员Ericliu1912在此完全判断错误,将该提报的目的判断成了要阻止编者间的争议。</li> <li>即便在其判断错误的前提下,是否没有其他措施可以阻止,是否必须动用“禁制”这一最后手段?</li></ul></li> <li>《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98" title="Wikipedia:管理员">WP:管理员</a>》方针第二段明文有言:“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><b>管理员唯能实现社群讨论所得的共识</b></q>”。什么是“共识”?显然,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%94%E5%A4%A7%E6%94%AF%E6%9F%B1" title="Wikipedia:五大支柱">五大支柱</a>、社群常年累月通过大量讨论得出的各类<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:方针">方针</a>与<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%8C%87%E5%BC%95" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:指引">指引</a>,以及,在不当行为提报区下编者讨论呈现的共识,这些都属于共识。不当行为最初的提报是针对被提报用户的诽谤行为,随后多位编者又指出其乱排留言的行为,这些行为显然违反《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E8%AE%A8%E8%AE%BA%E9%A1%B5%E6%8C%87%E5%BC%95" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:讨论页指引">WP:讨论页指引</a>》,而“持续违反指引应受封禁”明文写于《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#防止擾亂" title="Wikipedia:封禁方针">封禁方针</a>》。数十位编者在提报区下的讨论,均有共识表示Chinuan12623行为不当,几乎无人表示我行为不当。<b>管理员的最终处理,这一处理的性质是“实现社群讨论所得的共识”,但根据违反方针指引的情况和相应的封禁方针,根据不当行为提报区的讨论,管理员Ericliu1912却得出了“社群讨论所得的共识应是双向互动禁制”这样的判断。</b></li></ul></li> <li>在这笔案子了结以后,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%88#Chinuan12623_2" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年9月"><b>2024年9月,Chinuan12623再因违反《讨论页指引》被提报</b></a>,ATannedBurger处理声称先前沟通不足,未做处理,“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic">均不见涉事双方或其他管理员有提及此论述或就争论的解决展开讨论</q>”侧面反映Ericliu1912完全未关注其违反指引的行为并向其沟通;<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88#Chinuan12623" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年10月"><b>2024年10月,Chinuan12623又因违反《讨论页指引》被提报</b>,并由Shizhao封禁编辑所有讨论页1个月</a>;封禁期结束后,随即在<a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%9B%BA%E5%AE%9A%E9%93%BE%E6%8E%A5/84961430#Chinuan12623_2" title="Special:固定链接/84961430"><b>2024年11月,又因违反《讨论页指引》被提报</b></a>(<span style="font-weight: bold;color:silver; background:black;">( π )</span><b>题外话</b>:目前仍无人处理)。<b>很显然,从结果论上看,管理员Ericliu1912在8月26日对我提报其违反《讨论页指引》所作出的“双向互动禁制”,完全、丝毫没有解决该用户的不当编辑扰乱行为。</b></li></ul> <p>以上,我认为管理员Ericliu1912在2024年8月26日该案中所作的“双向互动禁制”处理是完全错误的,该处理完全违背社群共识,且没有对制止被提报用户的不当行为起到任何作用。最后强调,这是<b>管理操作复核请求</b>,仅用于<b>讨论管理操作是否适当</b>,而非追究责任、更非解任议案。 --<span style="font-family:cursive"><a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User:自由雨日">自由雨日</a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User talk:自由雨日">🌧️</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">🌨️</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-自由雨日-20241113182800-管理操作覆核請求:不认为Ericliu1912在8月28日的双向互动禁制" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月13日 (三) 18:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-自由雨日-20241113182800-管理操作覆核請求:不认为Ericliu1912在8月28日的双向互动禁制"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-20241113234700-自由雨日-20241113182800"></span>在<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E6%93%8D%E4%BD%9C%E8%A6%86%E6%A0%B8%E8%AB%8B%E6%B1%82/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%94#管理操作覆核請求:不对显然违反双向交互禁制的行为进行处理管理操作覆核請求:不对显然违反双向交互禁制的行为进行处理" title="Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求/存檔">Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求/存檔</a>裡,有自由雨君之前提過的䨱核請求,也有部份當時的回應,供作大家參考</s>。--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Wolfch-20241113234700-自由雨日-20241113182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月13日 (三) 23:47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-20241113234700-自由雨日-20241113182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">🌨️</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-自由雨日-20241114023400-Wolfch-20241113234700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 02:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-自由雨日-20241114023400-Wolfch-20241113234700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114023400","author":"\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114023400-Wolfch-20241113234700","replies":["c-Wolfch-20241114043800-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114023400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-自由雨日-20241114023400-Wolfch-20241113234700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-20241114043800-自由雨日-20241114023400"></span>已劃刪除線--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Wolfch-20241114043800-自由雨日-20241114023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 04:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-20241114043800-自由雨日-20241114023400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114043800","author":"Wolfch","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wolfch-20241114043800-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114023400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wolfch-20241114043800-自由雨日-20241114023400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20241114065900-Wolfch-20241113234700"></span>附知@<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a>。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20241114065900-Wolfch-20241113234700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 06:59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20241114065900-Wolfch-20241113234700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114065900","author":"\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20241114065900-Wolfch-20241113234700","replies":["c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114081200-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20241114065900"],"displayName":"\u041f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043e\u0442"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿南之人-20241114065900-Wolfch-20241113234700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-自由雨日-20241114081200-阿南之人-20241114065900"></span>我已经第一时间在讨论页通知他了( ,这也是《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E6%93%8D%E4%BD%9C%E8%A6%86%E6%A0%B8%E8%AB%8B%E6%B1%82" title="Wikipedia:管理操作覆核請求">WP:管理操作复核请求</a>》要求的。——<span style="font-family:cursive"><a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User:自由雨日">自由雨日</a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User talk:自由雨日">🌧️</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">🌨️</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-自由雨日-20241114081200-阿南之人-20241114065900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 08:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-自由雨日-20241114081200-阿南之人-20241114065900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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<ul><li><b>管理操作</b>:8月26日,用户Chinuan12623因诽谤被提报,经过多位用户讨论后,Ericliu1912决定对Chinuan12623与提报者(Tisscherry以及自由雨日)之间实施双向禁制。</li> <li><b>提报区讨论情况</b>:提报区的讨论显示,社群认为Chinuan12623的行为存在多次违反讨论页指引的情况,而提报者的操作被其他用户认可。</li> <li><b>请求管理操作复核理据</b>:Ericliu1912未能合理判断双方的责任,错误地将争执视为双向问题,未能有效制止Chinuan12623的不当行为。此外,管理方针明确指出,禁制应作为最后手段,而在此案例中并未充分考虑其他可能的解决方案。</li></ul></dd> <dd><span style="color:green;">注:以上文字使用LLM辅助整理以避免太长不读,仅供参考,更详细准确的意见及理据请见提请人的原留言。</span>--<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color:#e67e22;"><a href="/wiki/User:Heihaheihaha" title="User:Heihaheihaha">HeihaHeihaHa</a>-</span><b style="color:#e67e22;transform:rotate(+2deg);display:inline-block"><a href="/wiki/%E9%BA%BB%E7%93%9C" title="麻瓜">麻瓜</a></b>了……(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Heihaheihaha" title="User talk:Heihaheihaha">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200-自由雨日-20241113182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 01:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200-自由雨日-20241113182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114013200","author":"Heihaheihaha","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241113182800","replies":["c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013500-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200","c-\u963f\u5357\u4e4b\u4eba-20241114055100-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200","c-Hoben7599-20241114081000-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200-自由雨日-20241113182800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013500-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"></span>认同以上描述,<span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;">(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>该<i>管理操作复核请求</i>。--<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color:#e67e22;"><a href="/wiki/User:Heihaheihaha" title="User:Heihaheihaha">HeihaHeihaHa</a>-</span><b style="color:#e67e22;transform:rotate(+2deg);display:inline-block"><a href="/wiki/%E9%BA%BB%E7%93%9C" title="麻瓜">麻瓜</a></b>了……(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Heihaheihaha" title="User talk:Heihaheihaha">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013500-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 01:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013500-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114013500","author":"Heihaheihaha","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013500-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Heihaheihaha-20241114013500-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-阿南之人-20241114055100-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>复核该操作,该禁制明显不当。<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0 1px 5px #ff0000"><a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User:阿南之人">Пусть от</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="User talk:阿南之人">победы</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89" title="共产主义">☆</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA" title="Special:用户贡献/阿南之人">к победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20241114055100-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 05:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20241114055100-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hoben7599-20241114081000-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 08:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoben7599-20241114081000-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114081000","author":"Hoben7599","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hoben7599-20241114081000-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200","replies":[],"displayName":"Benho"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoben7599-20241114081000-Heihaheihaha-20241114013200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-20241114043600-自由雨日-20241113182800"></span>根據<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%88" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月">Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年8月</a>,管理員Eric Liu 回覆處理的第(三)點,雙向互動禁制是為了避免當時雙方「編輯遭回退、認為自身沒錯、變本加厲反擊」的螺旋,為了讓雙方冷靜而採取的作法。請大家再評估此作法的合理性。--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Wolfch-20241114043600-自由雨日-20241113182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 04:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-20241114043600-自由雨日-20241113182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114043600","author":"Wolfch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wolfch-20241114043600-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241113182800","replies":["c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114052200-Wolfch-20241114043600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wolfch-20241114043600-自由雨日-20241113182800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-自由雨日-20241114052200-Wolfch-20241114043600"></span>首先,我认为,“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic">编辑遭回退,认为自身没错</q>”是从<u>回退明显破坏—回退违反方针指引(但非明显破坏)的编辑—可简单判断和讨论得出共识的争议—难以得出共识的长期编辑战</u>这一“光谱”上的任何行为都会存在的现象,只有依照方针、指引和其他编者讨论等均无法判断哪方行为不当(即单纯因观点不同而引发的激烈编辑战或长期编辑战等)时,才可能适用互动禁制;但Ericliu没有作任何判断,而是直接强行互动禁制(显然当时不属于我说的这种适用情况,而是根据方针指引和提报区讨论都已很明显得出了哪一方行为不当)。其次,“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic">为了让双方冷静</q>”并不是禁制的合理理由,(就像<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:封禁">WP:封禁</a>也不能用于为了让人冷静一样,)<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%A6%81%E5%88%B6" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:禁制">WP:禁制</a>方针明言禁制用于“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">造成极端或顽固问题的扰乱行为……其他制裁措施无法阻止有关行为</q>”,且“<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">仅应在容许有关用户继续编辑已足以构成严重扰乱及问题编辑的风险时采用</q>”。--<span style="font-family:cursive"><a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User:自由雨日">自由雨日</a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User talk:自由雨日">🌧️</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">🌨️</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-自由雨日-20241114052200-Wolfch-20241114043600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 05:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-自由雨日-20241114052200-Wolfch-20241114043600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114052200","author":"\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114052200-Wolfch-20241114043600","replies":["c-Wolfch-20241115162600-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114052200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-自由雨日-20241114052200-Wolfch-20241114043600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-20241115162600-自由雨日-20241114052200"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>復核此管理操作。--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Wolfch-20241115162600-自由雨日-20241114052200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 16:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-20241115162600-自由雨日-20241114052200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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победе</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E9%98%BF%E5%8D%97%E4%B9%8B%E4%BA%BA/%E7%B0%BD%E5%88%B0" title="User:阿南之人/簽到">ведёт!</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-阿南之人-20241114061500-自由雨日-20241113182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 06:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿南之人-20241114061500-自由雨日-20241113182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>。基本上我尊重管理員判斷,但我希望他若要做出說明,請儘量使用淺顯易懂的文字,維基百科不是官僚體系,不要刻意畫線拉距離。--<a href="/wiki/User:Tisscherry" title="User:Tisscherry">提斯切里</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tisscherry" title="User talk:Tisscherry">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Tisscherry-20241114065000-阿南之人-20241114061500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 06:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tisscherry-20241114065000-阿南之人-20241114061500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">🌨️</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-自由雨日-20241114080900-Tisscherry-20241114065000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 08:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-自由雨日-20241114080900-Tisscherry-20241114065000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 08:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-银色雪莉-20241114084300-自由雨日-20241114080900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114084300","author":"\u94f6\u8272\u96ea\u8389","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u94f6\u8272\u96ea\u8389-20241114084300-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114080900","replies":["c-\u81ea\u7531\u96e8\u65e5-20241114084700-\u94f6\u8272\u96ea\u8389-20241114084300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-银色雪莉-20241114084300-自由雨日-20241114080900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-自由雨日-20241114084700-银色雪莉-20241114084300"></span>哦哦,好像确实可能不是……如果我理解错了的话表示抱歉<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>(因为<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%BD%93%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%BA/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B411%E6%9C%88#c-Tisscherry-20241107010900-自由雨日-20241106204500" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板/其他不当行为/存档/2024年11月">前几天他也说我写的文字“太长不读”</a>)不过就算是指Ericliu1912,他也没有“刻意画线拉距离”,跟“官僚”也没啥关系,只是他的语言习惯喜欢文白夹杂。当然我也希望尽量少用文言用法,多使用平实的现代汉语。--<span style="font-family:cursive"><a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A%E7%8E%8B%E5%BF%85%E5%8B%9D&amp;action=history&amp;offset=&amp;limit=500">Talk:王必勝</a>的編修歷史,管理員Shizhao在8月26日認定自由雨日、Chinuan12623進行編輯戰,禁止編輯該頁面31小時,管理員或會因應近期雙方在討論頁發生過編輯戰而進一步採取互動禁制,單是這點,自由雨日與Tisscherry的复核背景已不一樣。在現實中,管理員Ericliu1912僅能審視8月27日及之前的情況,所以Chinuan12623在10月6日被Shizhao編輯禁制一個月在此是不用考慮的,8月27日之後的事態及提出的結論,均不在Ericliu1912於8月27日當天作出判斷的可考慮範圍內,簡言之不能說某個用戶在今天被永久封禁,就可以推定管理員在以往對相關或對立用戶在處理上有明顯的過錯。--<a href="/wiki/User:Starcopter" title="User:Starcopter">Starcopter</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starcopter" title="User talk:Starcopter">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Starcopter-20241114184300-自由雨日-20241113182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月14日 (四) 18:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starcopter-20241114184300-自由雨日-20241113182800"><span 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title="Wikipedia:讨论页指引">WP:讨论页指引</a>》的行为是完全独立的。至于Chinuan12623在10月的封禁(以及我提到的9月、11月),确实不能作为主要的考虑依据(我也仅是在最后提及),但绝非“不用考虑”,因为那些提报及封禁的理由仍然是违反《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E8%AE%A8%E8%AE%BA%E9%A1%B5%E6%8C%87%E5%BC%95" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:讨论页指引">WP:讨论页指引</a>》,和我的提报指向同一件事。这些之后的提报用于管理员并没有依据《<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#防止擾亂" title="Wikipedia:封禁方针">WP:封禁方针#防止擾亂</a>》等有效起到制止他人持续违反指引扰乱的情况,自然意味着管理员的处理不妥。假设现在有一个违反格式手册到处乱加粗体的用户,管理员作出的是将其和回退其编辑的编者互动禁制的决定,结果其之后继续于页面乱加粗体,那么显然可以佐证管理员的决定不当,因为丝毫未起到制止其违反指引行为的作用。--<span style="font-family:cursive"><a href="/wiki/User:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User:自由雨日">自由雨日</a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="User talk:自由雨日">🌧️</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1%E9%9B%A8%E6%97%A5" title="Special:用户贡献/自由雨日">🌨️</a> <a 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style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FradonStar-20241126025600-自由雨日-20241113182800"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>复核,是次处理还导致自由雨日阁下失去仲裁员候选资格,个人认为是不太合理的。—<span style="text-shadow:3px 2px #DCDCDC"><b><a href="/wiki/User:FradonStar" title="User:FradonStar"><font color="blue">Фрадон</font></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FradonStar" title="User talk:FradonStar"><font color="orange">Стар</font></a></b>|<sup><font color="black">Меня зовут Хайшэньвай</font></sup></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-FradonStar-20241126025600-自由雨日-20241113182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 02:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FradonStar-20241126025600-自由雨日-20241113182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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.hatnote{font-size:small}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:2em;margin-bottom:0.8em;margin-top:0.8em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote-notice-img::after{content:"\202f \202f \202f \202f "}.mw-parser-output .hatnote-notice-img-small::after{content:"\202f \202f "}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .hatnote-notice-img,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .hatnote-notice-img-small{display:none}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">参见:<a href="/wiki/%E4%BA%9A%E6%B4%B2%E5%9B%BD%E9%99%85%E6%96%B0%E9%97%BB%E8%AF%89%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E5%AA%92%E4%BD%93%E5%9F%BA%E9%87%91%E4%BC%9A%E6%A1%88" title="亚洲国际新闻诉维基媒体基金会案">亚洲国际新闻诉维基媒体基金会案</a>、<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%A0%81%E9%9D%A2%E5%AD%98%E5%BB%A2%E8%A8%8E%E8%AB%96/%E8%A8%98%E9%8C%84/2024/11/14#亚洲国际新闻诉维基媒体基金会案" title="Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2024/11/14">Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2024/11/14 § 亚洲国际新闻诉维基媒体基金会案</a>、<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Community response to Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation">en:Wikipedia:Community response to Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation</a>、<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2024_open_letter_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation">en:Wikipedia:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation</a>和<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:2024_open_letter_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation#Update_from_14_November_hearing" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia talk:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation">en:Wikipedia talk:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation § Update from 14 November hearing</a></div><p>2024年11月14日17:29 (UTC),也就是几个小时以前,英文维基百科用户发起<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC:_Should_a_blackout_be_organized_in_protest_of_the_Wikimedia_Foundation's_actions?" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">民意调查</a>,讨论是否就基金会考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息而闭站抗议。如果英维闭站抗议,本站是否跟随? ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241114200900-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗" 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encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 03:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115033500","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115035100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500"],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241115035100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500"></span>哈,WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,有編輯卻擔心基金會會因為中維的條目而敗訴。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241115035100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 03:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241115035100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115035100","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115035100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241115035100-A_Chinese_ID-20241115033500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>目前趋势似乎是不会闭站。我认为本站反应弱于直接相关方英维是可以接受的,但弱于德、法、俄、西、意等维基社群是不可以接受的,不然就有跟不上国际维基社群主流意识的观感。但未见德、法等有采取行动的迹象,除了俄维,而跟不上俄维的意识似乎并非问题。我承认上述分析是见风使舵、随大流的,但我的看法还是:既不先于俄维,也不后于德维。--<a href="/wiki/User:Fire-and-Ice" title="User:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:red"><b>Fire</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fire-and-Ice" title="User talk:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:#3994E8"><b>Ice</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 04:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115040100","author":"Fire-and-Ice","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100","c-Fire-and-Ice-20241116020900-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"],"displayName":"Fire"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"></span>我不认为中维应该被所谓「国际社群的主流」牵着走。<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YESENWIKISAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YESENWIKISAID">中维应该要有自己的想法</a>。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115092800","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100","replies":["c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115095000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800"],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115095000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800"></span>中维可以有自己的想法,但现在英维闭站的反对票仍大比例领先,我认为至少不能早于英维闭站。--<a href="/wiki/User:Fire-and-Ice" title="User:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:red"><b>Fire</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fire-and-Ice" title="User talk:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:#3994E8"><b>Ice</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115095000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115095000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115095000","author":"Fire-and-Ice","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115095000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800","replies":[],"displayName":"Fire"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241115095000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115092800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold; background-color:#ffd700; color:#8b0000;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241116020900-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"></span>(※)</span><b>注意</b>,英维RFC已被IAR关闭,跟随闭站的前提暂不成立。--<a href="/wiki/User:Fire-and-Ice" title="User:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:red"><b>Fire</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fire-and-Ice" title="User talk:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:#3994E8"><b>Ice</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Fire-and-Ice-20241116020900-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月16日 (六) 02:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241116020900-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116020900","author":"Fire-and-Ice","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fire-and-Ice-20241116020900-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100","replies":[],"displayName":"Fire"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241116020900-Fire-and-Ice-20241115040100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-红渡厨-20241115043600-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>中维闭站抗议。--——— <a href="/wiki/User:%E7%BA%A2%E6%B8%A1%E5%8E%A8" title="User:红渡厨">红渡厨</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E7%BA%A2%E6%B8%A1%E5%8E%A8" title="User talk:红渡厨">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E7%BA%A2%E6%B8%A1%E5%8E%A8" title="Special:用户贡献/红渡厨">贡献</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-红渡厨-20241115043600-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 04:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-红渡厨-20241115043600-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115043600","author":"\u7ea2\u6e21\u53a8","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u7ea2\u6e21\u53a8-20241115043600-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-红渡厨-20241115043600-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd> <dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241115044900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:有件事讓本人有點納悶,那就是為何基金會或者吉米威爾斯本人對印度的法律行動反應這麼大?別的國家直接封殺維基百科也沒有見他們有很大反應(至少以人口/覆蓋率來說,<a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E5%AF%B9%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E5%AA%92%E4%BD%93%E7%9A%84%E5%B0%81%E9%94%81" title="中国大陆对维基媒体的封锁">中國大陸</a>至少是跟印度同級數的),難道是因為他們認為對印度「還有爭取的餘地」?說實在話,從本人以前閱讀某些媒體報導的觀感,<a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%B0%E5%BA%A6%E4%BA%BA%E6%AC%8A" title="印度人權">印度雖然毫無疑問是民主國家,但其當局在立惡法、打壓異見方面未必落後於專制國家</a>。--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241115044900-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 04:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241115044900-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115044900","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241115044900-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115074800-Patrickov-20241115044900","c-Patrickov-20241115084200-Patrickov-20241115044900"],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241115044900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%B0%E5%BA%A6%EF%BC%9A%E8%8E%AB%E8%BF%AA%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C" title="印度:莫迪問題"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241115074800-Patrickov-20241115044900"></span>印度:莫迪問題</a>,基金會似乎有點雙標了?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241115074800-Patrickov-20241115044900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 07:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241115074800-Patrickov-20241115044900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115074800","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115074800-Patrickov-20241115044900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241115074800-Patrickov-20241115044900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241115084200-Patrickov-20241115044900"></span>更新:<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout#Note_from_Jimbo" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout">威爾斯本人似乎在勸說不要閉站</a>。有部份認為此事嚴重的人士直接向他提出了異議。--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241115084200-Patrickov-20241115044900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 08:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241115084200-Patrickov-20241115044900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115084200","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241115084200-Patrickov-20241115044900","replies":["c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300-Patrickov-20241115084200"],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241115084200-Patrickov-20241115044900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300-Patrickov-20241115084200"></span>本人利益直接相关自然会劝说。JW极力配合印度方面有可能是出于挽留当前可访问本站的最多人口国家之考虑<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">——留给他的市场已经不多了</mark>。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300-Patrickov-20241115084200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300-Patrickov-20241115084200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115093300","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300-Patrickov-20241115084200","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115120500-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300","c-Patrickov-20241115172900-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300-Patrickov-20241115084200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241115120500-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"></span>印度封鎖維基,損失的只是印度人自己。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241115120500-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 12:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241115120500-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115120500","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115120500-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300","replies":["c-Lanwi1-20241115150600-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115120500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241115120500-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lanwi1-20241115150600-日期20220626-20241115120500"></span>印度确有打压异己的状况,例如印度教徒打压伊斯兰教徒。WMF没做过类似向中国政府披露异议人士类编辑身份信息这件事。--<a href="/wiki/User:Lanwi1" title="User:Lanwi1"><span style="color:#3F7FFF;"><b>Lanwi1</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lanwi1" title="User talk:Lanwi1">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Lanwi1-20241115150600-日期20220626-20241115120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 15:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lanwi1-20241115150600-日期20220626-20241115120500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115150600","author":"Lanwi1","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Lanwi1-20241115150600-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241115120500","replies":["c-A_Chinese_ID-20241116044600-Lanwi1-20241115150600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lanwi1-20241115150600-日期20220626-20241115120500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241116044600-Lanwi1-20241115150600"></span>印度已有先例,很难保证中国大陆不是下一个。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241116044600-Lanwi1-20241115150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月16日 (六) 04:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241116044600-Lanwi1-20241115150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116044600","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241116044600-Lanwi1-20241115150600","replies":[],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241116044600-Lanwi1-20241115150600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241115172900-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"></span>個人認為黑掉的部份直說無妨。--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241115172900-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 17:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241115172900-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115172900","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241115172900-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300","replies":[],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241115172900-A_Chinese_ID-20241115093300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoben7599-20241115074400-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>閉站 <span style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:Hoben7599" title="User:Hoben7599">Benho</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoben7599" title="User talk:Hoben7599">7599</a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E6%B0%91%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9" title="三民主義">三民主義</a>好</sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hoben7599-20241115074400-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 07:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoben7599-20241115074400-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115074400","author":"Hoben7599","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hoben7599-20241115074400-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[],"displayName":"Benho"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoben7599-20241115074400-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liu116-20241115090900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>我也反对公开编辑私人信息,哪怕是对民主程度高的西方国家都要谨慎的事情,对印度这种<a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%B0%E5%BA%A6%EF%BC%9A%E8%8E%AB%E8%BF%AA%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C" title="印度:莫迪問題">封杀批评总理纪录片</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E5%85%AC%E6%B0%91%E8%BA%AB%E4%BB%BD%E6%B3%95%E4%BF%AE%E6%AD%A3%E6%A1%88%E7%A4%BA%E5%A8%81" title="公民身份法修正案示威">打压示威而且动不动就对部分地区断网</a>的国家更是不该放任。个人认为基金会应该像对待中国大陆一样,宁可让印度封锁基金会网站也不要便宜这样的表面上民主,实则人权问题及打压异见问题没好到哪里去的国家(反正印度不也早已经因为和中国的边界问题封锁了不少中国网站)!--<a href="/wiki/User:Liu116" title="User:Liu116">💊✖️2️⃣3️⃣</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liu116" title="User talk:Liu116">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Liu116-20241115090900-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liu116-20241115090900-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115090900","author":"Liu116","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liu116-20241115090900-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud83d\udc8a\u2716\ufe0f2\ufe0f\u20e33\ufe0f\u20e3"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liu116-20241115090900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>不要被西方勢力利用,维基必須要從尊重法律--<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%8C%97%E6%A5%B5%E4%BC%81%E9%B5%9D%E8%A7%80%E8%B3%9E%E5%9C%98" title="User:北極企鵝觀賞團">北極企鵝觀賞團</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%8C%97%E6%A5%B5%E4%BC%81%E9%B5%9D%E8%A7%80%E8%B3%9E%E5%9C%98" title="User talk:北極企鵝觀賞團">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241115095500-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241115095500-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241115095700-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 09:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241115095700-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115095700","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241115095700-\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718-20241115092700","replies":[],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241115095700-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"></span></dd> <dd><span style="background:#ffffdd" title="本句仅作幽默目的,请勿当真。"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115101900-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"></span>维基也未尝不是西方势力。</span><sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9D%8F%E7%AC%91%E8%AF%9D%E5%92%8C%E5%88%A0%E9%99%A4%E7%9A%84%E8%83%A1%E8%AF%9D" title="Wikipedia:坏笑话和删除的胡话">[開玩笑的]</a></sup>--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115101900-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 10:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115101900-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115101900","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115101900-\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718-20241115092700","replies":[],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115101900-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diskdance-20241115104000-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"></span>请不要在严肃场合开玩笑(指上方二位)。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Diskdance" title="User:Diskdance"><span style="color:#2962FF">碟之舞</span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diskdance" title="User talk:Diskdance">📀💿</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Diskdance-20241115104000-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 10:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diskdance-20241115104000-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115104000","author":"Diskdance","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Diskdance-20241115104000-\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718-20241115092700","replies":[],"displayName":"\u789f\u4e4b\u821e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diskdance-20241115104000-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241115092700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diskdance-20241115104000-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>我也反对这一披露编辑身份信息的做法,但是我希望社群谨慎考虑这一决定。任何抗议都应该有明确的目标,而不是为了跟进而抗议。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Diskdance" title="User:Diskdance"><span style="color:#2962FF">碟之舞</span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diskdance" title="User talk:Diskdance">📀💿</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Diskdance-20241115104000-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 10:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diskdance-20241115104000-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115104000","author":"Diskdance","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diskdance-20241115104000-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500-Diskdance-20241115104000"],"displayName":"\u789f\u4e4b\u821e"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diskdance-20241115104000-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500-Diskdance-20241115104000"></span>是这样的。本地的行动需要明确的共识,但是看起来本地、包括中文世界没人关心。这样,把本段标题改成 <ul><li>WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议</li></ul></dd> <dd>完全不提一次别的wiki的话,应该没人去了解讨论吧?--<a href="/wiki/User:Akishima_Yuka" title="User:Akishima Yuka">Akishima Yuka</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Akishima_Yuka" title="User talk:Akishima Yuka">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500-Diskdance-20241115104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 10:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500-Diskdance-20241115104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115105500","author":"Akishima Yuka","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500-Diskdance-20241115104000","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241115115800-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500","c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500-Diskdance-20241115104000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241115115800-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"></span>相比“关站”,显著位置(首页和顶置)挂横幅、通告吸引关注是否可行?--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241115115800-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 11:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241115115800-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115115800","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241115115800-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500","replies":["c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115130300-YFdyh000-20241115115800"],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241115115800-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115130300-YFdyh000-20241115115800"></span>仅凭notice可能不足以扭转基金会的决策。中维的影响力没有英维大,但用户或读者众多;关站带来的震动远比notice有效。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115130300-YFdyh000-20241115115800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 13:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115130300-YFdyh000-20241115115800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115130300","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115130300-YFdyh000-20241115115800","replies":[],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115130300-YFdyh000-20241115115800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"></span>关于标题调整的事项,副知<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴">魔琴</a></span>。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 13:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115131000","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241115183000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000"],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000-Akishima_Yuka-20241115105500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241115183000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000"></span>可也。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241115183000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 18:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241115183000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115183000","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241115183000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241115183000-A_Chinese_ID-20241115131000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Txkk-20241115121400-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>中文(严谨点说是汉语)在印度属小众语言,我自认为印度根本不care这门语言。--<a href="/wiki/User:Txkk" title="User:Txkk">Txkk</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Txkk" title="User talk:Txkk">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Txkk-20241115121400-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 12:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Txkk-20241115121400-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115121400","author":"Txkk","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txkk-20241115121400-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241115123000-Txkk-20241115121400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Txkk-20241115121400-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241115123000-Txkk-20241115121400"></span>关站的施压目标是基金会而不是印度。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241115123000-Txkk-20241115121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 12:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241115123000-Txkk-20241115121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115123000","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241115123000-Txkk-20241115121400","replies":[],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241115123000-Txkk-20241115121400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241115162500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>:我建議在關站通告說明這不單是為了印度,更是為了中維(反對內容審查、反對披露編輯者身份資訊)。--<a href="/wiki/User:Cmsth11126a02" title="User:Cmsth11126a02">Cmsth11126a02</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cmsth11126a02" title="User talk:Cmsth11126a02">留言</a>) <a href="/wiki/%E5%9C%8B%E6%B0%91%E9%BB%A8" class="mw-redirect" title="國民黨">國民黨</a><small>的正確名稱是</small><span style="color: #000099;"><b>大陸國民黨</b></span>! <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Cmsth11126a02-20241115162500-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 16:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241115162500-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115162500","author":"Cmsth11126a02","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cmsth11126a02-20241115162500-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241115162500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:#D2691E;color:white;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feyan_Li-20241115181500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(~)</b></span><b>補充</b>:11月14日,法官已向编者发出传单。维基媒体基金会会将传票通过“所有允许的方式(包括WMF被要求提供的用户邮箱)”送达至其他被告,<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/court-summons-wiki-users-who-edited-ani-page-101731609939639.html">来源</a>。部分重点摘要:<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Let summons be issued to defendants 2-4. The summons can be served through all permissible modes... including email addresses to be supplied by the defendant 1 [Wikipedia], the court said in the order while fixing December 16 as the next date of hearing.</q>--<big><a href="/wiki/User:Feyan_Li" title="User:Feyan Li"><span style="color: #2b9aa5;"><b>𝓯𝓮𝔂𝓪𝓷ヽ(^∀^)ノ</b></span></a></big><small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feyan_Li" title="User talk:Feyan Li"><span style="color:#1cd0e2;"><b>訊</b></span></a></small></small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Feyan_Li-20241115181500-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月15日 (五) 18:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feyan_Li-20241115181500-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115181500","author":"Feyan Li","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Feyan_Li-20241115181500-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\udcef\ud835\udcee\ud835\udd02\ud835\udcea\ud835\udcf7\u30fd(\uff3e\u2200\uff3e)\uff89"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feyan_Li-20241115181500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AINH-20241117102000-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>Writing this in English to perhaps reach a larger audience: Regardless of what the English Wikipedia decides, I <span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;">( ✓ )</span><b>同意</b> that Chinese Wikipedia should participate in the blackout. Wikipedia builds on the idea of free flow of information and expression, which builds on the ability and/or possibly for editors to contribute anonymously or pseudonymously. This is particularly true in environments where editors may face persecution or retaliation for their contributions. Disclosing editors' private information will severely compromise editorial independence and create an irreversible chilling effect. Such an idea should not even be proposed, let alone considered. This, combined with the unique nature of Chinese Wikipedia, where editors have faced different threats, both legally from governments and from peers, makes this a dangerous precedent to set and might send the wrong signal.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Should WMF decide to disclose the personal information of editors, it will open a Pandora's box that not only endangers the safety of editors but also the integrity of Wikipedia itself. We urge WMF to stand firm on protecting its contributors and its very own mission on promoting free flow of information.-<a href="/wiki/User:AINH" title="User:AINH"><span style="background:#ccc;padding:0px 4px">某人</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AINH" title="User talk:AINH"><span style="background:#888;padding:0px 4px;color:#fff">✉</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AINH-20241117102000-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月17日 (日) 10:20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AINH-20241117102000-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117102000","author":"AINH","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AINH-20241117102000-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[],"displayName":"\u67d0\u4eba"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AINH-20241117102000-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241118033200-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>其實可以再等一會。這事兒還急不到我們份上。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241118033200-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月18日 (一) 03:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241118033200-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118033200","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241118033200-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20241120151000-Ericliu1912-20241118033200"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241118033200-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241120151000-Ericliu1912-20241118033200"></span>若屆時須起草公開信,可以附贊英文版信件理念,以表示對他們的支持。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241120151000-Ericliu1912-20241118033200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 15:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241120151000-Ericliu1912-20241118033200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120151000","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241120151000-Ericliu1912-20241118033200","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241120151000-Ericliu1912-20241118033200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241120075700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>本站先于英维关站--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241120075700-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 07:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241120075700-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120075700","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Office563-20241120075700-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241120075700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd> <dd><big><big><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241120080900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>此事件涉及众多编者的人身安全,应该置顶到首页</b></big></big>--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241120080900-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 08:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241120080900-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120080900","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Office563-20241120080900-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241120080900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241120081700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>先把英文维基那个公开信翻译过来吧--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241120081700-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 08:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241120081700-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120081700","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Office563-20241120081700-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-Feyan_Li-20241120090600-Office563-20241120081700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241120081700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feyan_Li-20241120090600-Office563-20241120081700"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">英语维基百科社区一直密切关注近期“亚洲国际新闻诉维基媒体基金会案”的相关事件,且对此深感忧虑。在一个许多利益相关方试图控制维基百科内容的世界中,我们认为保护编者的匿名性对于维护百科全书的全面性、可靠性和中立性至关重要。我们数以百万计的志愿者依赖基金会保护我们免受强大的外部势力影响,包括对已发表来源的内容进行筛选和平衡。基于此,我们对基金会可能考虑向德里高等法院披露志愿者身份信息的建议深表关切。我们理解国际法律纠纷中披露此类信息的复杂性,并对基金会一贯抵制信息披露以及协助陷入法律困境的编辑者表示赞赏。然而,我们呼吁基金会将志愿者的安全与福祉置于首位,即使这可能导致基金会面临法律诉讼或其他代价。任何其他行动都可能对志愿者的工作产生寒蝉效应,同时也会增加外部势力影响维基百科的可能。简而言之,这将危及我们这个项目的未来。</q></dd> <dd>此公开信在英维已有1100+人签署,其中包括管理员、监督员、回退员等,个人无法接受披露编者信息之行为。--<big><a href="/wiki/User:Feyan_Li" title="User:Feyan Li"><span style="color: #2b9aa5;"><b>𝓯𝓮𝔂𝓪𝓷ヽ(^∀^)ノ</b></span></a></big><small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feyan_Li" title="User talk:Feyan Li"><span style="color:#1cd0e2;"><b>訊</b></span></a></small></small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Feyan_Li-20241120090600-Office563-20241120081700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 09:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feyan_Li-20241120090600-Office563-20241120081700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120090600","author":"Feyan Li","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Feyan_Li-20241120090600-Office563-20241120081700","replies":["c-Office563-20241121062500-Feyan_Li-20241120090600","c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121064300-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"],"displayName":"\ud835\udcef\ud835\udcee\ud835\udd02\ud835\udcea\ud835\udcf7\u30fd(\uff3e\u2200\uff3e)\uff89"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feyan_Li-20241120090600-Office563-20241120081700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241121062500-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"></span>公开信应该被发到原味鸡上,翻译成多种语言--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241121062500-Feyan_Li-20241120090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 06:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241121062500-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121062500","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Office563-20241121062500-Feyan_Li-20241120090600","replies":["c-Office563-20241121062600-Office563-20241121062500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241121062500-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241121062600-Office563-20241121062500"></span>元维基--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241121062600-Office563-20241121062500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 06:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241121062600-Office563-20241121062500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121062600","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Office563-20241121062600-Office563-20241121062500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241121062600-Office563-20241121062500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121064300-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"></span>公开信已经建立单独译本页面:<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:2024%E5%B9%B4%E8%87%B4%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E5%AA%92%E4%BD%93%E5%9F%BA%E9%87%91%E4%BC%9A%E7%9A%84%E5%85%AC%E5%BC%80%E4%BF%A1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:2024年致维基媒体基金会的公开信">Wikipedia:2024年致维基媒体基金会的公开信</a>。感谢贡献。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121064300-Feyan_Li-20241120090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 06:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121064300-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121064300","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121064300-Feyan_Li-20241120090600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121064300-Feyan_Li-20241120090600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newbamboo-20241120130500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>既然基金會已經交了信息還代發了傳票,那確實應該抗議,不過個人認為可以考慮在首頁掛橫幅和在本地簽公開信,不一定需要關站抗議。--<a href="/wiki/User:Newbamboo" title="User:Newbamboo">🎋<span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>竹</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newbamboo" title="User talk:Newbamboo"><span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>生</b></span>🎍</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Newbamboo-20241120130500-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 13:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newbamboo-20241120130500-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120130500","author":"Newbamboo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Newbamboo-20241120130500-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241120131500-Newbamboo-20241120130500","c-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800-Newbamboo-20241120130500","c-Uyiliu2-20241121024300-Newbamboo-20241120130500"],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf8b\u7af9"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newbamboo-20241120130500-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241120131500-Newbamboo-20241120130500"></span>基金會真沒種,大不了讓印度當局把Wikipedia封了。好歹應該學學Google,Google不滿中國大陸的審查,直接退出中國大陸。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241120131500-Newbamboo-20241120130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 13:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241120131500-Newbamboo-20241120130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120131500","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241120131500-Newbamboo-20241120130500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241120131500-Newbamboo-20241120130500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800-Newbamboo-20241120130500"></span>既然基金会<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r83946278">.mw-parser-output .template-facttext{background-color:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:inherit;margin:-.3em 0;padding:.3em 0}</style><mark class="template-facttext" title="需要提供文献来源">已经交了信息</mark><sup class="noprint Template-Fact"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%88%97%E6%98%8E%E6%9D%A5%E6%BA%90" title="Wikipedia:列明来源"><span style="white-space: nowrap;" title="来源请求。">[來源請求]</span></a></sup>还代发了传票。目前这还悬而未决。我仍认为,一切行动均不应早于英维。--<a href="/wiki/User:Fire-and-Ice" title="User:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:red"><b>Fire</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fire-and-Ice" title="User talk:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:#3994E8"><b>Ice</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800-Newbamboo-20241120130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月20日 (三) 17:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800-Newbamboo-20241120130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120170800","author":"Fire-and-Ice","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800-Newbamboo-20241120130500","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241121024700-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800"],"displayName":"Fire"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800-Newbamboo-20241120130500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241121024700-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800"></span>现在说话都这么不负责任的么?怎么就传成了“基金会已经交了信息”?--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241121024700-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 02:47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241121024700-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121024700","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241121024700-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800","replies":["c-Newbamboo-20241121043000-Shizhao-20241121024700"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241121024700-Fire-and-Ice-20241120170800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newbamboo-20241121043000-Shizhao-20241121024700"></span>在下是在這<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://scroll.in/latest/1075651/delhi-high-court-issues-summonses-to-wikipedia-editors-in-ani-defamation-case">[1]</a>看到的,如果是在下對英文新聞的理解有誤還望您指教。--<a href="/wiki/User:Newbamboo" title="User:Newbamboo">🎋<span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>竹</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newbamboo" title="User talk:Newbamboo"><span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>生</b></span>🎍</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Newbamboo-20241121043000-Shizhao-20241121024700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 04:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newbamboo-20241121043000-Shizhao-20241121024700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121043000","author":"Newbamboo","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Newbamboo-20241121043000-Shizhao-20241121024700","replies":["c-Patrickov-20241121050500-Newbamboo-20241121043000","c-Patrickov-20241121050900-Newbamboo-20241121043000"],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf8b\u7af9"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newbamboo-20241121043000-Shizhao-20241121024700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241121050500-Newbamboo-20241121043000"></span>原文寫 would be,應該看成是「已答應或作出提議,但未實行」。當然,這已經夠糟,但畢竟跟做了是有分別的。--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241121050500-Newbamboo-20241121043000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 05:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241121050500-Newbamboo-20241121043000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121050500","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241121050500-Newbamboo-20241121043000","replies":[],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241121050500-Newbamboo-20241121043000"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:#D2691E;color:white;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241121050900-Newbamboo-20241121043000"></span>(~)</b></span><b>補充</b>:本人已簽署公開信--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241121050900-Newbamboo-20241121043000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 05:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241121050900-Newbamboo-20241121043000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121050900","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241121050900-Newbamboo-20241121043000","replies":["c-Newbamboo-20241121054400-Patrickov-20241121050900","c-Newbamboo-20241121091700-Patrickov-20241121050900"],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241121050900-Newbamboo-20241121043000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newbamboo-20241121054400-Patrickov-20241121050900"></span>如果在下沒有理解錯的話,根據這篇<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://lawtrend.in/delhi-high-court-summons-wikipedia-users-over-defamatory-edits-to-anis-page/">[2]</a>報道,基金會與ANI達成的同意令(consent order)包括「維基百科同意與法院秘密共享必要的用戶訊息,並將誹謗訴訟傳票直接送達相關用戶」,且法院已經執行了同意令並要求在4天内送達傳票(也就是說傳票在11月18日前已經送達涉事維基人郵箱),故在下竊以為相關basic subscriber information已經被送到法院處。在此深表憂慮。--<a href="/wiki/User:Newbamboo" title="User:Newbamboo">🎋<span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>竹</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newbamboo" title="User talk:Newbamboo"><span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>生</b></span>🎍</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Newbamboo-20241121054400-Patrickov-20241121050900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 05:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newbamboo-20241121054400-Patrickov-20241121050900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121054400","author":"Newbamboo","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Newbamboo-20241121054400-Patrickov-20241121050900","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf8b\u7af9"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newbamboo-20241121054400-Patrickov-20241121050900"></span></dd> <dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:#D2691E;color:white;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newbamboo-20241121091700-Patrickov-20241121050900"></span>(~)</b></span><b>補充</b>,根據在下上面提供的兩個新聞,“The summons can be served through all permissible modes...including email addresses to be supplied by the defendant 1 [Wikipedia].”如果在下沒理解錯,基金會至少已經將涉事維基人的電郵地址(以密封方式)交予法院方面?--<a href="/wiki/User:Newbamboo" title="User:Newbamboo">🎋<span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>竹</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newbamboo" title="User talk:Newbamboo"><span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>生</b></span>🎍</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Newbamboo-20241121091700-Patrickov-20241121050900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newbamboo-20241121091700-Patrickov-20241121050900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121091700","author":"Newbamboo","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Newbamboo-20241121091700-Patrickov-20241121050900","replies":["c-Feyan_Li-20241121095200-Newbamboo-20241121091700"],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf8b\u7af9"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newbamboo-20241121091700-Patrickov-20241121050900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feyan_Li-20241121095200-Newbamboo-20241121091700"></span>这里的To be的意思似乎是“将由……提供”或“被要求由……提供”?尽管如此,按照新闻所说Basic Subscriber Information诸如用户名之类的,应该是强制提交给法院,ANI只拥有法院版本的修改版?但是就算法院和ANI什么都没有编者的官司也吃定了。编维基百科还要吃官司,真可怕。。。。--<big><a href="/wiki/User:Feyan_Li" title="User:Feyan Li"><span style="color: #2b9aa5;"><b>𝓯𝓮𝔂𝓪𝓷ヽ(^∀^)ノ</b></span></a></big><small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feyan_Li" title="User talk:Feyan Li"><span style="color:#1cd0e2;"><b>訊</b></span></a></small></small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Feyan_Li-20241121095200-Newbamboo-20241121091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feyan_Li-20241121095200-Newbamboo-20241121091700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121095200","author":"Feyan Li","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Feyan_Li-20241121095200-Newbamboo-20241121091700","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\udcef\ud835\udcee\ud835\udd02\ud835\udcea\ud835\udcf7\u30fd(\uff3e\u2200\uff3e)\uff89"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feyan_Li-20241121095200-Newbamboo-20241121091700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uyiliu2-20241121024300-Newbamboo-20241120130500"></span>赞成首页挂横幅,不影响使用又显声援之意。--<span style="color:#007FFF">U</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uyiliu2" title="User talk:Uyiliu2"><span style="color:#567a94">yi</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User:Uyiliu2" title="User:Uyiliu2"><span style="color:#FFB366">liu2</span></a> <sub>幸泉居士✍️</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Uyiliu2-20241121024300-Newbamboo-20241120130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 02:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uyiliu2-20241121024300-Newbamboo-20241120130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121024300","author":"Uyiliu2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Uyiliu2-20241121024300-Newbamboo-20241120130500","replies":[],"displayName":"liu2"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uyiliu2-20241121024300-Newbamboo-20241120130500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liu116-20241121034700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>基金会这么做显然是个坏的先例,尤其对于中国大陆、香港和澳门编者而言,虽然我不想评论是否应该闭站,不过如果中文站早于英文站闭站,那就有趣了,毕竟这更能向基金会宣示中文站编者对于自己个人信息的泄露问题是有多在意。--<a href="/wiki/User:Liu116" title="User:Liu116">💊✖️2️⃣3️⃣</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liu116" title="User talk:Liu116">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Liu116-20241121034700-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 03:47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liu116-20241121034700-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121034700","author":"Liu116","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liu116-20241121034700-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-Liu116-20241121040800-Liu116-20241121034700"],"displayName":"\ud83d\udc8a\u2716\ufe0f2\ufe0f\u20e33\ufe0f\u20e3"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liu116-20241121034700-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liu116-20241121040800-Liu116-20241121034700"></span>话说以前ProtonMail曾经披露过法国一社会组织成员的相关信息,也引发过争议。--<a href="/wiki/User:Liu116" title="User:Liu116">💊✖️2️⃣3️⃣</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liu116" title="User talk:Liu116">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Liu116-20241121040800-Liu116-20241121034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 04:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liu116-20241121040800-Liu116-20241121034700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121040800","author":"Liu116","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Liu116-20241121040800-Liu116-20241121034700","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud83d\udc8a\u2716\ufe0f2\ufe0f\u20e33\ufe0f\u20e3"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liu116-20241121040800-Liu116-20241121034700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span lang="zh-Hant" class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-暁月凛奈-20241121050300-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>我认为用联署声明的方式表示态度比较好。<span style="color:#6495ED">——<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%9A%81%E6%9C%88%E5%87%9B%E5%A5%88" title="User:暁月凛奈"><span style="color:#6495ED" lang="ja">暁月凛奈</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%9A%81%E6%9C%88%E5%87%9B%E5%A5%88" title="User talk:暁月凛奈"><span style="color:#6495ED">留言</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-暁月凛奈-20241121050300-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 05:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-暁月凛奈-20241121050300-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121050300","author":"\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20241121050300-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-AINH-20241121091400-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20241121050300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-暁月凛奈-20241121050300-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AINH-20241121091400-暁月凛奈-20241121050300"></span>聯署不痛不癢,尤其上述基金會已經交了資訊--<a href="/wiki/User:AINH" title="User:AINH"><span style="background:#ccc;padding:0px 4px">某人</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AINH" title="User talk:AINH"><span style="background:#888;padding:0px 4px;color:#fff">✉</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AINH-20241121091400-暁月凛奈-20241121050300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AINH-20241121091400-暁月凛奈-20241121050300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121091400","author":"AINH","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AINH-20241121091400-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20241121050300","replies":[],"displayName":"\u67d0\u4eba"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AINH-20241121091400-暁月凛奈-20241121050300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SCP-2000-20241121095900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>一、依據11月14日<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:2024_open_letter_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation#c-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241114094700-Update_from_11_Nov_hearing" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia talk:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation"> WMF 法務部門的說法</a>和<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout#Note_from_Jimbo" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout">創辦人兼理事會成員 Jimmy Wale 的說法</a>,WMF 從未披露過任何個人資料。而情況應為基金會代替法院向三名編者發送傳票,其電郵地址應未有披露予法院及訴訟方。</dd> <dd>二、<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout#Note_from_Jimbo" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout">正如 Jimmy Wale 在英維的討論所言</a>「<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The title of this is "Should a blackout be organized in protest of the Wikimedia Foundation's actions" - which is of course very premature as the WMF has not released anyone's data. So what's to protest?</q>」,個人認為應三思而行,而非為關站而關站,也建議各位可翻閱<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout">英維關站之相關討論</a>及了解他們為何沒有關站。</dd> <dd>三、即使基金會披露相關個人資料予印度法院(儘管此情況並沒有發生),也並不代表會披露予中國大陸政府。認為資料會披露予中國大陸政府之說法無疑是滑坡推論。謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20241121095900-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20241121095900-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121095900","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20241121095900-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241121103400-SCP-2000-20241121095900","c-Newbamboo-20241121115600-SCP-2000-20241121095900"],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20241121095900-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241121103400-SCP-2000-20241121095900"></span>我对硬性关站(条目内容不可用)和探索此事细节没什么兴趣,但关于二和三,我觉得这涉及基金会行动面临双重标准及信任度的质疑,不同标准问题必然存在和应被关注。所以如果有,我会支持横幅或可关闭的全屏通告。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241121103400-SCP-2000-20241121095900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 10:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241121103400-SCP-2000-20241121095900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121103400","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241121103400-SCP-2000-20241121095900","replies":[],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241121103400-SCP-2000-20241121095900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newbamboo-20241121115600-SCP-2000-20241121095900"></span>感謝,雖然按您所說傳票是代為轉達,但可以確定的是法院已經(在WMF願意的情況下)執行了(要求提供使用者基本資料的)同意令,如果在下沒有理解錯的話,這似乎意味著只要基金會要繼續打這個官司,就必定會(以密封方式)向法院提供涉事維基人的基本資料(Jimmy和法務的聲明似只是「從未提供」到14日為止),除非基金會(在還沒將基本資料送出去的情況下)願意「藐視法庭最後讓維基在印度被封」。不知您的看法如何。--<a href="/wiki/User:Newbamboo" title="User:Newbamboo">🎋<span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>竹</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newbamboo" title="User talk:Newbamboo"><span style="color:#2D882D;"><b>生</b></span>🎍</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Newbamboo-20241121115600-SCP-2000-20241121095900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 11:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newbamboo-20241121115600-SCP-2000-20241121095900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121115600","author":"Newbamboo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Newbamboo-20241121115600-SCP-2000-20241121095900","replies":["c-SCP-2000-20241121123900-Newbamboo-20241121115600","c-SCP-2000-20241121125700-Newbamboo-20241121115600"],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf8b\u7af9"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newbamboo-20241121115600-SCP-2000-20241121095900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SCP-2000-20241121123900-Newbamboo-20241121115600"></span>可能但並非必然。正如 WMF 說服了法庭以代為傳達的方式來避免披露個人資料,他們也可能有其他說服法庭的策略以免披露,或者最後選擇不披露和就披露命令上訴至最高法院。當然,由於 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_judice" class="extiw" title="en:Sub judice">Sub judice</a> 的原則下(參見<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation#Update_from_Wikimedia_Legal_team" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Community response to Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation">法務部門 10 月時的聲明</a>),他們不能披露案件細節,所以無從得知他們的策略,但可以肯定的是他們現在仍未披露任何個人資料。至於為何最後更新是14日為止,這是因為最後一次聆訊是在14日。謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20241121123900-Newbamboo-20241121115600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 12:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20241121123900-Newbamboo-20241121115600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121123900","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20241121123900-Newbamboo-20241121115600","replies":[],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20241121123900-Newbamboo-20241121115600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SCP-2000-20241121125700-Newbamboo-20241121115600"></span>另,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#c-Jimbo_Wales-20241115203400-Just_finished_a_board_meeting_about_the_ANI_case" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Jimbo Wales">Jimmy 在 15 日留下了一段簡短的更新</a>,儘管未有提供任何細節「<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I can't share anything other than my pride in the entire board and the staff. Seriously. You'd all be overjoyed if you could hear it. (As ever, I only speak for myself as a Wikipedian who is passionate about neutrality, truth, privacy, and individual (human) rights.)</q>」--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20241121125700-Newbamboo-20241121115600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 12:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20241121125700-Newbamboo-20241121115600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121125700","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20241121125700-Newbamboo-20241121115600","replies":[],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20241121125700-Newbamboo-20241121115600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project:%D0%92%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2#Заявление_редакторов_РуВики" class="extiw" title="ru:Project:Вниманию участников"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121124100-魔琴-20241114200900"></span>俄维一周前就起草了他们自己的公开信</a>,行文似乎有些不一样。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121124100-魔琴-20241114200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 12:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121124100-魔琴-20241114200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121124100","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121124100-\u9b54\u7434-20241114200900","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241122022500-\u9b54\u7434-20241121124100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121124100-魔琴-20241114200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241122022500-魔琴-20241121124100"></span>有无译者( ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241122022500-魔琴-20241121124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 02:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241122022500-魔琴-20241121124100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122022500","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241122022500-\u9b54\u7434-20241121124100","replies":["c-Patrickov-20241122025900-\u9b54\u7434-20241122022500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241122022500-魔琴-20241121124100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241122025900-魔琴-20241122022500"></span>借Chrome把俄文機翻成英文再自行翻譯中文:「<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">作為簽署本公開信的俄文維基百科編者,我們謹此宣告:保護編者的身份不被公開,是本百科全書工作的重要前提。尤其是在多個國家的法律中,中立如實地根據來源陳述事實被視為嚴重罪行,匿名性成為唯一能夠確保編者人身安全的措施。我們對維基媒體基金會<i>考慮</i>將部份編者的個人資料透露予德里高等法院的做法表示震驚。我們了解國際間披露個人資料的法律爭議甚為複雜,亦感謝基金會一直阻止個人資料外洩及協助受法律威脅的編者。然而,我們亦促請基金會,即使可能要因此而使自身面對法律行動,其亦應將編者的人身安全及身心健康放在第一位。任何偏離或不符這個目標的行動皆將增加未來所受的壓力及訴訟風險,令編輯條目成為不可能的任務。簡而言之,那將危及本計劃(維基百科)的未來。</q>」--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241122025900-魔琴-20241122022500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 02:59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241122025900-魔琴-20241122022500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122025900","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241122025900-\u9b54\u7434-20241122022500","replies":[],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241122025900-魔琴-20241122022500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="七日分割线" data-mw-thread-id="h-七日分割线-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗-20241121093200"><span id=".E4.B8.83.E6.97.A5.E5.88.86.E5.89.B2.E7.BA.BF"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-七日分割线-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗-20241121093200"></span>七日分割线<span data-mw-comment-end="h-七日分割线-WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗-20241121093200"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=22" title="编辑章节:七日分割线"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121093200-七日分割线"></span>讨论已经将近七日。观察到没有人明确反对闭站,但是支持方有以为应立刻闭站者,有以为应暂作壁上观者,亦有人只留支持之语而并不明确关站具体时机。现设置议题讨论区明确意向,并希望通过讨论(不是投票)达成共识。另外设置议题2讨论其他抗议措施。建议事态更新等其他讨论仍发布在上一小节。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121093200-七日分割线" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121093200-七日分割线"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121093200","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121093200-\u4e03\u65e5\u5206\u5272\u7ebf","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121093200-七日分割线"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="议题1:是否闭站" data-mw-thread-id="h-议题1:是否闭站-七日分割线-20241121093800"><span id=".E8.AE.AE.E9.A2.981.EF.BC.9A.E6.98.AF.E5.90.A6.E9.97.AD.E7.AB.99"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-议题1:是否闭站-七日分割线-20241121093800"></span>议题1:是否闭站<span data-mw-comment-end="h-议题1:是否闭站-七日分割线-20241121093800"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=23" title="编辑章节:议题1:是否闭站"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" data-mw-thread-id="h-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议-议题1:是否闭站-20241121094600"><span id=".E6.9C.AC.E7.AB.99.E5.BA.94.E8.AF.A5.E7.AB.8B.E5.88.BB.E5.87.86.E5.A4.87.E9.97.AD.E7.AB.99.E6.8A.97.E8.AE.AE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议-议题1:是否闭站-20241121094600"></span>本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议<span data-mw-comment-end="h-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议-议题1:是否闭站-20241121094600"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=24" title="编辑章节:本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AINH-20241121094600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span>#如上述,基金會已經交了資料。聯署不痛不癢,且中維不是英維中文版,更何況交資料impact中維遠甚於英維-<a href="/wiki/User:AINH" title="User:AINH"><span style="background:#ccc;padding:0px 4px">某人</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AINH" title="User talk:AINH"><span style="background:#888;padding:0px 4px;color:#fff">✉</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AINH-20241121094600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:46 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AINH-20241121094600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AINH-20241121094600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121094600","author":"AINH","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AINH-20241121094600-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u7acb\u523b\u51c6\u5907\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":[],"displayName":"\u67d0\u4eba"}}--></span></dd></dl> <ol><li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SCP-2000-20241121104300-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>:理由同上,這樣的事只有零次和無限次。<span style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:Hoben7599" title="User:Hoben7599">Benho</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoben7599" title="User talk:Hoben7599">7599</a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E6%B0%91%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9" title="三民主義">三民主義</a>好</sup> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:AINH" title="User:AINH">AINH</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Hoben7599" title="User:Hoben7599">Hoben7599</a>:</span> <a href="#c-SCP-2000-20241121095900-魔琴-20241114200900">見上留言</a>,基金會並未披露任何個人資料。--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20241121104300-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 10:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20241121104300-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121104300","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20241121104300-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u7acb\u523b\u51c6\u5907\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-AINH-20241121140000-SCP-2000-20241121104300"],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20241121104300-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.voanews.com/a/wikipedia-embroiled-in-legal-battle-in-india/7849693.html"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AINH-20241121140000-SCP-2000-20241121104300"></span>During a hearing (...) on October 28, Wikimedia relented to the High Court's demand that Wikipedia reveal identifying information of the online users involved in editing the ANI page. </a>--<a href="/wiki/User:AINH" title="User:AINH"><span style="background:#ccc;padding:0px 4px">某人</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AINH" title="User talk:AINH"><span style="background:#888;padding:0px 4px;color:#fff">✉</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AINH-20241121140000-SCP-2000-20241121104300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 14:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AINH-20241121140000-SCP-2000-20241121104300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121140000","author":"AINH","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AINH-20241121140000-SCP-2000-20241121104300","replies":["c-SCP-2000-20241121141800-AINH-20241121140000"],"displayName":"\u67d0\u4eba"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AINH-20241121140000-SCP-2000-20241121104300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SCP-2000-20241121141800-AINH-20241121140000"></span>WMF 已經表示沒有披露任何個人資料,這似乎是媒體的解讀錯誤(媒體也不是第一次對維基百科的運作有錯誤的理解)。當然,您可以認為 WMF 並不可信,這是您的自由。謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20241121141800-AINH-20241121140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 14:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20241121141800-AINH-20241121140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121141800","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20241121141800-AINH-20241121140000","replies":[],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20241121141800-AINH-20241121140000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241121105600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>,由于<a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E5%AF%B9%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E5%AA%92%E4%BD%93%E7%9A%84%E5%B0%81%E9%94%81" title="中国大陆对维基媒体的封锁">中文维基百科的特殊性</a>,为了编者的安全,不需要照搬英文维基的做法--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241121105600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 10:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241121105600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121105600","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Office563-20241121105600-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u7acb\u523b\u51c6\u5907\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241121105600-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span></li> <li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>:理由同上——中国大陆对WM的封锁现在可谓远近皆知,本人在实际生活中过去的三年也<b>已经</b>遇到诸多因此发生的影响。各位很难保证WM未来不会为了进入大陆向中国大陆行政部门方面提供<b>后者所需</b>的资料(虽可能性很小但尚微存),因此本人认为完全有理由比英维处理的早而果断。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月24日 (日) 12:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124124200","author":"A Chinese ID","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u7acb\u523b\u51c6\u5907\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-Office563-20241124140200-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200","c-Office563-20241125041100-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"],"displayName":"[\n \n \n H\n \n \n +\n \n \n ]\n \n \n {\\displaystyle [{\\text{H}}^{+}]}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241124140200-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="👍" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/25px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/38px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/50px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>赞</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241124140200-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月24日 (日) 14:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241124140200-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124140200","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Office563-20241124140200-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241124140200-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241125041100-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"></span>比如<span class="deleted skin-invert" style="color:#565656"><abbr title="此处原有文字,因为「離題內容」而被移除,尚祈见谅。">(節刪)</abbr></span>--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241125041100-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 04:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241125041100-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125041100","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Office563-20241125041100-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241125041100-A_Chinese_ID-20241124124200"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>建议直接去<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PCP" class="extiw" title="m:PCP">m:PCP</a>提交正式关站申请。--<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 01:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125011700","author":"Liuxinyu970226","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u7acb\u523b\u51c6\u5907\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-Office563-20241125040900-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700-本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241125040900-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700"></span>原味鸡大概率不会同意,直接本地界面管理员先动手吧--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241125040900-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 04:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241125040900-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125040900","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Office563-20241125040900-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700","replies":["c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300-Office563-20241125040900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241125040900-Liuxinyu970226-20241125011700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300-Office563-20241125040900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>这种做法有可能被监管员伺候一顿的风险,德语干过一次,后果嘛<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Superprotect" class="extiw" title="m:Superprotect">超级保护</a>了解一下。--<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300-Office563-20241125040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 04:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300-Office563-20241125040900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125044300","author":"Liuxinyu970226","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300-Office563-20241125040900","replies":["c-Office563-20241125053200-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300-Office563-20241125040900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241125053200-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300"></span>所以要先下手为强,直接炸掉网站跑路(--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241125053200-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 05:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241125053200-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125053200","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Office563-20241125053200-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300","replies":["c-A_Chinese_ID-20241125105400-Office563-20241125053200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241125053200-Liuxinyu970226-20241125044300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241125105400-Office563-20241125053200"></span>您这个做法是对读者、站内其他编者很不负责任的行为。--<span style="font-size:90%;line-height:0.9em"> <a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID" title="User:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo stretchy="false">[</mo> <msup> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>H</mtext> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mo>+</mo> </mrow> </msup> <mo stretchy="false">]</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f7ce28abbf4792ac4e2cb46cc962203e59532cf" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:4.548ex; height:3.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle [{\text{H}}^{+}]}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Chinese_ID" title="User talk:A Chinese ID"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \ >}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mtext> </mtext> <mo>></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \ >}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/af5febac9058ab6e1e0c9ea37a2216a6fe263c76" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.034ex; height:1.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \ >}"/></span></a><a href="/wiki/User:A_Chinese_ID/Sign" title="User:A Chinese ID/Sign"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <msqrt> <msub> <mi>K</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>w</mi> </mrow> </msub> </msqrt> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e854b4ada20edaadd6a843d7bc3f2cd0446f7412" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.171ex; width:5.706ex; height:3.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\sqrt {K_{w}}}}"/></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-A_Chinese_ID-20241125105400-Office563-20241125053200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 10:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Chinese_ID-20241125105400-Office563-20241125053200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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id=".E6.9C.AC.E7.AB.99.E5.BA.94.E8.AF.A5.E9.97.AD.E7.AB.99.E6.8A.97.E8.AE.AE.EF.BC.8C.E4.BD.86.E5.BA.94.E8.AF.A5.E7.AD.89.E5.88.B0.E4.BA.8B.E6.80.81.E5.8F.98.E5.8C.96.EF.BC.88.E5.A6.82.E6.B3.95.E9.99.A2.E3.80.81WMF.E7.A1.AE.E8.AE.A4.E6.9C.89.E8.BF.9B.E4.B8.80.E6.AD.A5.E6.93.8D.E4.BD.9C.EF.BC.8C.E6.88.96.E8.80.85.E8.8B.B1.E7.BB.B4.E9.97.AD.E7.AB.99.EF.BC.89.E3.80.82.E8.AF.B7.E6.98.8E.E7.A1.AE.E6.82.A8.E8.AE.A4.E4.B8.BA.E7.9A.84.E5.BA.94.E8.AF.A5.E8.A7.A6.E5.8F.91.E9.97.AD.E7.AB.99.E6.8A.97.E8.AE.AE.E7.9A.84.E4.BA.8B.E4.BB.B6"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认-议题1:是否闭站-20241121093800"></span>本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认有进一步操作,或者英维闭站)。请明确您认为的应该触发闭站抗议的事件<span data-mw-comment-end="h-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认-议题1:是否闭站-20241121093800"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=25" title="编辑章节:本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认有进一步操作,或者英维闭站)。请明确您认为的应该触发闭站抗议的事件"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241121093800-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241121093800-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241121093800-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121093800","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241121093800-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae\uff0c\u4f46\u5e94\u8be5\u7b49\u5230\u4e8b\u6001\u53d8\u5316\uff08\u5982\u6cd5\u9662\u3001WMF\u786e\u8ba4","replies":["c-Patrickov-20241122020100-Patrickov-20241121093800"],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241121093800-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span> <dl><dd><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:#D2691E;color:white;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241122020100-Patrickov-20241121093800"></span>(~)</b></span><b>補充</b>:當法院、WMF确认有进一步操作,<b>毋需等候英文維基行動</b> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241122020100-Patrickov-20241121093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 02:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241122020100-Patrickov-20241121093800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122020100","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241122020100-Patrickov-20241121093800","replies":[],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241122020100-Patrickov-20241121093800"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121110400-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>如果Jimbo和法务的说法属实,且基金会仍未交出信息,我认为暂时不需要闭站。闭站这一措施应该留给需要更加强烈的反应的场合。若确认WMF将个人隐私信息披露予法院,或者法院作出不利于基金会的裁决,不论其他社区有何措施,应该立刻闭站抗议。如果英维、俄维闭站抗议应该考虑跟随。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121110400-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 11:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121110400-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121110400","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121110400-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae\uff0c\u4f46\u5e94\u8be5\u7b49\u5230\u4e8b\u6001\u53d8\u5316\uff08\u5982\u6cd5\u9662\u3001WMF\u786e\u8ba4","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121110400-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span></li> <li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold; background-color:lightcyan; color:darkcyan;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>(▲)</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">同上</span>,當然現階段中維可以先作其他抗議。(英維不關站不代表中維不須關站)--<a href="/wiki/User:Cmsth11126a02" title="User:Cmsth11126a02">Cmsth11126a02</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cmsth11126a02" title="User talk:Cmsth11126a02">留言</a>) <a href="/wiki/%E5%9C%8B%E6%B0%91%E9%BB%A8" class="mw-redirect" title="國民黨">國民黨</a><small>的正確名稱是</small><span style="color: #000099;"><b>大陸國民黨</b></span>! <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 14:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121141000","author":"Cmsth11126a02","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141000-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae\uff0c\u4f46\u5e94\u8be5\u7b49\u5230\u4e8b\u6001\u53d8\u5316\uff08\u5982\u6cd5\u9662\u3001WMF\u786e\u8ba4","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AINH-20241122021100-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>若确认WMF即將或已将个人隐私信息披露予法院(不論其他語種反應)应立刻闭站抗议-<a href="/wiki/User:AINH" title="User:AINH"><span style="background:#ccc;padding:0px 4px">某人</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AINH" title="User talk:AINH"><span style="background:#888;padding:0px 4px;color:#fff">✉</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-AINH-20241122021100-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 02:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AINH-20241122021100-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122021100","author":"AINH","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AINH-20241122021100-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae\uff0c\u4f46\u5e94\u8be5\u7b49\u5230\u4e8b\u6001\u53d8\u5316\uff08\u5982\u6cd5\u9662\u3001WMF\u786e\u8ba4","replies":[],"displayName":"\u67d0\u4eba"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AINH-20241122021100-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241122041000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>我不反对跟随英维抗议。另外我相信,该议题下的所有问题,包括为何抗议,抗议对象,抗议内容,抗议的技术手段,抗议的法律问题,只要英维决定抗议,他们就会全部解决。<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YESENWIKISAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YESENWIKISAID">我相信英文维基百科社群的智慧</a>。<a href="/wiki/User:Fire-and-Ice" title="User:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:red"><b>Fire</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fire-and-Ice" title="User talk:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:#3994E8"><b>Ice</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Fire-and-Ice-20241122041000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 04:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241122041000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Lanwi1-20241124201000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月24日 (日) 20:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lanwi1-20241124201000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124201000","author":"Lanwi1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lanwi1-20241124201000-\u672c\u7ad9\u5e94\u8be5\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae\uff0c\u4f46\u5e94\u8be5\u7b49\u5230\u4e8b\u6001\u53d8\u5316\uff08\u5982\u6cd5\u9662\u3001WMF\u786e\u8ba4","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lanwi1-20241124201000-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RiceKing-20241125125600-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>現階段發個橫幅通告公開信之類的都行。這有點類似罷工,故意讓讀者不方便是為了讓這件事能夠被更多人關注形成輿論以阻止相關情事發生,也因此必須要很嚴重才可以啟動,我認為必須經確認WMF披露編輯隱私,且英維已先行表達抗議仍未見回應,前者不符合則反對關閉,後者不符合的話能有條件關閉,如各語言的公開信皆被無視、遭施壓不得抗議或表達等。--<a href="/wiki/User:RiceKing" title="User:RiceKing"><span style="color:#50C878;"><b>Rice King </b></span></a><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:RiceKing" title="User talk:RiceKing">信箱</a></b> · <b><a href="/wiki/User:RiceKing/%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D%E7%B0%BF" title="User:RiceKing/簽名簿">留名</a></b>.<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%82%8A%E7%B7%A3%E4%BA%BA%E5%B0%8F%E7%B5%84" title="Wikipedia:邊緣人小組">邊緣人</a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-RiceKing-20241125125600-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 12:56 (UTC)</a><span 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id="c-BigBullfrog-20241125193500-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>--<a href="/wiki/User:BigBullfrog" title="User:BigBullfrog">BigBullfrog</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BigBullfrog" title="User talk:BigBullfrog">𓆏</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-BigBullfrog-20241125193500-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 19:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BigBullfrog-20241125193500-本站应该闭站抗议,但应该等到事态变化(如法院、WMF确认"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=26" title="编辑章节:反对闭站抗议"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241121130600-反对闭站抗议"></span>不同意躁進而未全盤考慮讀者權益之行為,至少社群亦須經相當規模編者投票確認存在共識。有英文維基百科在前,本站概不必就此議題強做先鋒。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241121130600-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 13:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241121130600-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121130600","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241121130600-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-Office563-20241121131000-Ericliu1912-20241121130600","c-Ericliu1912-20241125030800-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241121130600-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241121131000-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"></span>难道人身安全就不是权益了吗--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241121131000-Ericliu1912-20241121130600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 13:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241121131000-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121131000","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Office563-20241121131000-Ericliu1912-20241121130600","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241121132000-Office563-20241121131000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241121131000-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241121132000-Office563-20241121131000"></span>Liu说读者权益。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241121132000-Office563-20241121131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 13:20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241121132000-Office563-20241121131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121132000","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241121132000-Office563-20241121131000","replies":[],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241121132000-Office563-20241121131000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241125030800-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"></span>補充意見:但寫個橫幅聲援英文社群還是可以的。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241125030800-Ericliu1912-20241121130600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 03:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241125030800-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125030800","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241125030800-Ericliu1912-20241121130600","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241125030800-Ericliu1912-20241121130600"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Talimu0518-20241122041500-反对闭站抗议"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>劉醬,本人<span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:red;color:pink;">(-)</span><b>強烈反对</b>閉站。目前諸多事宜尚未明晰,在此情況下不應貿然選擇閉站示威,且在取得共識並有75%支持率前均不應閉站。沒必要搶這個風頭,純屬火上澆油。先前亦見到Jimmy Wales在英文維基百科進行討論,編者諸君可移步英維閱讀他的意見。--<a href="/wiki/User:Talimu0518" title="User:Talimu0518">Talimu0518</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talimu0518" title="User talk:Talimu0518">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Talimu0518-20241122041500-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 04:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Talimu0518-20241122041500-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122041500","author":"Talimu0518","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Talimu0518-20241122041500-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-Office563-20241122050800-Talimu0518-20241122041500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Talimu0518-20241122041500-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241122050800-Talimu0518-20241122041500"></span>Jimmy Wales不是WMF--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241122050800-Talimu0518-20241122041500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 05:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241122050800-Talimu0518-20241122041500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122050800","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Office563-20241122050800-Talimu0518-20241122041500","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-20241125065000-Office563-20241122050800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241122050800-Talimu0518-20241122041500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20241125065000-Office563-20241122050800"></span>不過他身兼基金會理事,所以起碼知道得比社群多( —— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241125065000-Office563-20241122050800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 06:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241125065000-Office563-20241122050800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125065000","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241125065000-Office563-20241122050800","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241125065000-Office563-20241122050800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241122034200-反对闭站抗议"></span>这根本就是没事也要折腾出些事来。另外,闭站是抗议谁?抗议什么?似乎也没说明白?--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241122034200-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 03:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241122034200-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122034200","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241122034200-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":[],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241122034200-反对闭站抗议"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000-反对闭站抗议"></span>基金會不該包庇罪犯。立即供出所有材料。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%8C%97%E6%A5%B5%E4%BC%81%E9%B5%9D%E8%A7%80%E8%B3%9E%E5%9C%98" title="User:北極企鵝觀賞團">北極企鵝觀賞團</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%8C%97%E6%A5%B5%E4%BC%81%E9%B5%9D%E8%A7%80%E8%B3%9E%E5%9C%98" title="User talk:北極企鵝觀賞團">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 04:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122040000","author":"\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718-20241122040000-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-SCP-2000-20241122044300-\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718-20241122040000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SCP-2000-20241122044300-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000"></span>建議先了解<a href="/wiki/%E7%84%A1%E7%BD%AA%E6%8E%A8%E5%AE%9A%E5%8E%9F%E5%89%87" class="mw-redirect" title="無罪推定原則">無罪推定原則</a>及<a href="/wiki/%E9%87%9D%E5%B0%8D%E5%85%AC%E7%9C%BE%E5%8F%83%E8%88%87%E7%9A%84%E7%AD%96%E7%95%A5%E6%80%A7%E8%A8%B4%E8%A8%9F" title="針對公眾參與的策略性訴訟">針對公眾參與的策略性訴訟</a>,在未經審判下稱呼涉事編者為「罪犯」並非妥當。謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:SCP-2000" title="User:SCP-2000"><span style="color: #383838;"><b>SCP-</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SCP-2000" title="Special:用户贡献/SCP-2000"><span style="color: #080808;"><b>0000</b></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SCP-2000" title="User talk:SCP-2000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SCP-2000-20241122044300-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 04:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SCP-2000-20241122044300-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122044300","author":"SCP-2000","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SCP-2000-20241122044300-\u5317\u6975\u4f01\u9d5d\u89c0\u8cde\u5718-20241122040000","replies":[],"displayName":"SCP-"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SCP-2000-20241122044300-北極企鵝觀賞團-20241122040000"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ATannedBurger-20241122043600-反对闭站抗议"></span>閉站受害的只有讀者,而且我不相信基金會會因為閉站而做出改變。最近我所住區域裡也有不少罷工罷課事件(出於各種原因),造成了我個人不少不便。還有,我覺得不少編輯應該有必要明白這點:是基金會提供了維基百科這樣的平台給各位編輯,It's a privilege, not a right. 現在你在別人的平台上對擁有平台的人抗議,不知道會想搞這齣的是不是沒分清楚主賓關係,真有本事就自己像<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OA2021" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OA2021">Techyan</a>一樣自立門戶吧。<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTANARCHY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTANARCHY">WP:NOTANARCHY</a>。一定程度上的抗議,比如連署書或當隔壁閉站受到批評時做出聲援,個人認為是妥當的,但若是涉及到維持自由百科本身的承諾,那我不得不<span class="zhwpVoteOppose skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:pink;color:red;">(-)</span><b>反对</b>閉站。忍耐是有極限的。--<a href="/wiki/User:ATannedBurger" title="User:ATannedBurger"><font size="0.001%"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \int }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo>∫<!-- ∫ --></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \int }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/ca732e5519cd2210bd59f1ab281b4e8f5a6a4413" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -2.338ex; width:2.194ex; height:5.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \int }"/></span></font></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ATannedBurger" title="User talk:ATannedBurger">☎</a>)dt <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ATannedBurger-20241122043600-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 04:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ATannedBurger-20241122043600-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122043600","author":"ATannedBurger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ATannedBurger-20241122043600-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122061700-ATannedBurger-20241122043600"],"displayName":"\u222b\n \n \n {\\displaystyle \\int }"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ATannedBurger-20241122043600-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241122061700-ATannedBurger-20241122043600"></span>雖然我也不支持閉站,但是你這個話術聽上去有點像「因為你們的工作是我提供的,所以你們不能罷工,你們要是罷工我就立即解僱你們」。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241122061700-ATannedBurger-20241122043600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 06:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241122061700-ATannedBurger-20241122043600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122061700","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122061700-ATannedBurger-20241122043600","replies":["c-ATannedBurger-20241122070800-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122061700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241122061700-ATannedBurger-20241122043600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ATannedBurger-20241122070800-日期20220626-20241122061700"></span>可能<a href="/wiki/%E7%8F%BE%E5%AF%A6%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9_(%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E9%97%9C%E4%BF%82)" title="現實主義 (國際關係)">現實主義</a>成分太多吧,畢盡大實話不是所有人都愛聽。--<a href="/wiki/User:ATannedBurger" title="User:ATannedBurger"><font size="0.001%"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \int }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo>∫<!-- ∫ --></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \int }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/ca732e5519cd2210bd59f1ab281b4e8f5a6a4413" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -2.338ex; width:2.194ex; height:5.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \int }"/></span></font></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ATannedBurger" title="User talk:ATannedBurger">☎</a>)dt <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ATannedBurger-20241122070800-日期20220626-20241122061700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 07:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ATannedBurger-20241122070800-日期20220626-20241122061700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122070800","author":"ATannedBurger","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ATannedBurger-20241122070800-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122061700","replies":[],"displayName":"\u222b\n \n \n {\\displaystyle \\int }"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ATannedBurger-20241122070800-日期20220626-20241122061700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241122062100-反对闭站抗议"></span>雖然基金會涉嫌提交編輯資料以及為了討好印度方面而刪條目不可取,甚至說做的非常醜陋,但是中文站閉站還是免了。—<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241122062100-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 06:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241122062100-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122062100","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122062100-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-SunAfterRain-20241125083400-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122062100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241122062100-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunAfterRain-20241125083400-日期20220626-20241122062100"></span>討好部分,要不是基金會卡在訴訟中,基金會大概也不怎麼想碰這種問題。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:SunAfterRain" title="User:SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #cc0;">Sun</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunAfterRain" title="User talk:SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #0c0;">After</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SunAfterRain" title="Special:用户贡献/SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #00c;">Rain</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SunAfterRain-20241125083400-日期20220626-20241122062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 08:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunAfterRain-20241125083400-日期20220626-20241122062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125083400","author":"SunAfterRain","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SunAfterRain-20241125083400-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241122062100","replies":[],"displayName":"Sun"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunAfterRain-20241125083400-日期20220626-20241122062100"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pathfinbird-20241122063000-反对闭站抗议"></span>受介绍第一次来到这里,但一来就看到了关站的提议,在详细了解了事情起因后,本人<span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:red;color:pink;">(-)</span><b>強烈反对</b>这项提议,此事暂未波及至中文维基百科,并且我也没有看到此事会有任何波及到中文维基百科的可能性或是迹象,中文维基百科关站除了会为读者以及我们贡献者本身带来不便以外,没有任何作用。若各位一定想要对英文维基百科的维基社群做出声援的话,在主页最底部放置对英文维基百科的声援讯息是更加合理且可行的做法。--<a href="/wiki/User:Pathfinbird" title="User:Pathfinbird">Pathfinbird</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pathfinbird" title="User talk:Pathfinbird">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Pathfinbird-20241122063000-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 06:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pathfinbird-20241122063000-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122063000","author":"Pathfinbird","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pathfinbird-20241122063000-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pathfinbird-20241122063000-反对闭站抗议"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaryCheng-20241125065200-反对闭站抗议"></span>中文維基百科使用者沒有權限關閉中文維基百科,不管投票結果如何都沒有作用呀,最多只能使用者集體逃亡,退出編輯而已。--<a href="/wiki/User:CaryCheng" title="User:CaryCheng">CaryCheng</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CaryCheng" title="User talk:CaryCheng">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-CaryCheng-20241125065200-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 06:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaryCheng-20241125065200-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125065200","author":"CaryCheng","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CaryCheng-20241125065200-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-Office563-20241125072500-CaryCheng-20241125065200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaryCheng-20241125065200-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Office563-20241125072500-CaryCheng-20241125065200"></span>搞破坏,给鸡精会制造麻烦就行了--<a href="/wiki/User:Office563" title="User:Office563">Office563</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Office563" title="User talk:Office563">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Office563-20241125072500-CaryCheng-20241125065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 07:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Office563-20241125072500-CaryCheng-20241125065200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125072500","author":"Office563","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Office563-20241125072500-CaryCheng-20241125065200","replies":["c-Talimu0518-20241125074900-Office563-20241125072500","c-Pathfinbird-20241125081900-Office563-20241125072500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Office563-20241125072500-CaryCheng-20241125065200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Talimu0518-20241125074900-Office563-20241125072500"></span>這麼喜歡閉站可以自己開一個站點自己過家家,維基百科不是只有你們這幫蠢貨,還有其他讀者跟編者,拜託不要連累人好嗎?</dd> <dd>你們關站純粹是為了自己顱內高潮而已,「皇帝不急太監急」行為,英文站點那邊WMF都沒把編輯身分丟出來你們就先急上了?如果真的這麼害怕那麼你可以「寧蹈東海而死,義不帝秦」,在自己用戶頁掛retired模板然後拍拍屁股滾蛋。--<a href="/wiki/User:Talimu0518" title="User:Talimu0518">Talimu0518</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talimu0518" title="User talk:Talimu0518">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Talimu0518-20241125074900-Office563-20241125072500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 07:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Talimu0518-20241125074900-Office563-20241125072500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125074900","author":"Talimu0518","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Talimu0518-20241125074900-Office563-20241125072500","replies":["c-Talimu0518-20241125075200-Talimu0518-20241125074900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Talimu0518-20241125074900-Office563-20241125072500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Talimu0518-20241125075200-Talimu0518-20241125074900"></span>麻煩不要把自己看得太重要,中文維基百科少你一個也能運轉下去,況且現在你們要閉站抗議,抗議誰?抗議什麼?抗議多久?還「搞破壞,給雞精會製造麻煩」,有你這樣的用戶就是維基百科最大的麻煩。--<a href="/wiki/User:Talimu0518" title="User:Talimu0518">Talimu0518</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talimu0518" title="User talk:Talimu0518">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Talimu0518-20241125075200-Talimu0518-20241125074900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 07:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Talimu0518-20241125075200-Talimu0518-20241125074900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pathfinbird-20241125081900-Office563-20241125072500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125081900","author":"Pathfinbird","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Pathfinbird-20241125081900-Office563-20241125072500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pathfinbird-20241125081900-Office563-20241125072500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunAfterRain-20241125082800-反对闭站抗议"></span>沒有意義,這次根本都還沒波及到中文維基百科,僅為了那不知道有多少的可能性關站純粹是在浪費時間浪費生命,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88#維基百科不是民主試驗場" title="Wikipedia:维基百科不是什么">維基百科不是民主試驗場</a>。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:SunAfterRain" title="User:SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #cc0;">Sun</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunAfterRain" title="User talk:SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #0c0;">After</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SunAfterRain" title="Special:用户贡献/SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #00c;">Rain</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SunAfterRain-20241125082800-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 08:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunAfterRain-20241125082800-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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(UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iming-20241125105400-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125105400","author":"Iming","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iming-20241125105400-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241125113100-Iming-20241125105400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iming-20241125105400-反对闭站抗议"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241125113100-Iming-20241125105400"></span>影响的是读者、编者和基金会。属于更大影响力的抗议。着眼未来而不限于本案,虽然效果无人能评。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241125113100-Iming-20241125105400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 11:31 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241125113100-Iming-20241125105400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125113100","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241125113100-Iming-20241125105400","replies":["c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241125115500-YFdyh000-20241125113100","c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241125115700-YFdyh000-20241125113100","c-SunAfterRain-20241125144600-YFdyh000-20241125113100"],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241125113100-Iming-20241125105400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241125115500-YFdyh000-20241125113100"></span>對基金會有影響嗎?如果基金會僱員平時看的是英維,反而英維關站對他們影響更大吧。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241125115500-YFdyh000-20241125113100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 11:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241125115500-YFdyh000-20241125113100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125115500","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241125115500-YFdyh000-20241125113100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241125115500-YFdyh000-20241125113100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-日期20220626-20241125115700-YFdyh000-20241125113100"></span>不過正是對我有影響,所以我反對閉站。如果關閉的是其他語種的站點,我無所謂,不過英文站最好還是不要關閉。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User:日期20220626">日期20220626</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%9F20220626" title="User talk:日期20220626">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-日期20220626-20241125115700-YFdyh000-20241125113100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 11:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-日期20220626-20241125115700-YFdyh000-20241125113100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125115700","author":"\u65e5\u671f20220626","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241125115700-YFdyh000-20241125113100","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241125120500-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241125115700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-日期20220626-20241125115700-YFdyh000-20241125113100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241125120500-日期20220626-20241125115700"></span>影响来自编者看法、媒体舆论,而非使用上的直接影响。从使用者福祉来说,我也反对硬性关闭,如果是可关闭或不遮挡的大幅广告,我不介意,网站求捐款或者反对法案而发这种并不罕见,但我不确定是否违背使用条款等。公开信表态抗议估计更可行。先观望也可以。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241125120500-日期20220626-20241125115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 12:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241125120500-日期20220626-20241125115700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125120500","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241125120500-\u65e5\u671f20220626-20241125115700","replies":[],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241125120500-日期20220626-20241125115700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunAfterRain-20241125144600-YFdyh000-20241125113100"></span>雖然但是,你維關站對基金會而言只是多一些無聊的麻煩事而已,如果真的再遇到被迫需要交出資料的情境,一點用也沒有--<b><a href="/wiki/User:SunAfterRain" title="User:SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #cc0;">Sun</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunAfterRain" title="User talk:SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #0c0;">After</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/SunAfterRain" title="Special:用户贡献/SunAfterRain"><span style="color: #00c;">Rain</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-SunAfterRain-20241125144600-YFdyh000-20241125113100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 14:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunAfterRain-20241125144600-YFdyh000-20241125113100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125144600","author":"SunAfterRain","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SunAfterRain-20241125144600-YFdyh000-20241125113100","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241125150800-SunAfterRain-20241125144600"],"displayName":"Sun"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunAfterRain-20241125144600-YFdyh000-20241125113100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241125150800-SunAfterRain-20241125144600"></span>关站本身是这样的,但可能产生后续的未知影响。目前讨论看,暂时没有关站共识的可能。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241125150800-SunAfterRain-20241125144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 15:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241125150800-SunAfterRain-20241125144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125150800","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241125150800-SunAfterRain-20241125144600","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241126030700-YFdyh000-20241125150800"],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241125150800-SunAfterRain-20241125144600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241126030700-YFdyh000-20241125150800"></span>我只能说,从现实世界的角度看,基金会目前来看已经做得很好了,要抗议我觉得抗议印度法院或原告都比抗议基金会强。为何有人总觉得自己比基金会的法务还懂法律呢?--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241126030700-YFdyh000-20241125150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 03:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241126030700-YFdyh000-20241125150800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126030700","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241126030700-YFdyh000-20241125150800","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241126130800-Shizhao-20241126030700","c-\u9b54\u7434-20241126131300-Shizhao-20241126030700"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241126030700-YFdyh000-20241125150800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241126130800-Shizhao-20241126030700"></span>我觉得抗议“恶行/恶法”与“懂法律”是平行线,总不能对一切抗议者说你怎么不走法律程序。没人说抗议只针对基金会,但法院和原告是真的不会与暂时不能在乎吧。做得很好有争议,因为用户寄予不同的期望。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241126130800-Shizhao-20241126030700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 13:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241126130800-Shizhao-20241126030700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126130800","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241126130800-Shizhao-20241126030700","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241127145900-YFdyh000-20241126130800"],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241126130800-Shizhao-20241126030700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241127145900-YFdyh000-20241126130800"></span>抗议“恶行/恶法”当然没问题啊,可是这讨论里从没提过“恶行/恶法”啊--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241127145900-YFdyh000-20241126130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月27日 (三) 14:59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241127145900-YFdyh000-20241126130800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127145900","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241127145900-YFdyh000-20241126130800","replies":["c-YFdyh000-20241127163400-Shizhao-20241127145900"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241127145900-YFdyh000-20241126130800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241127163400-Shizhao-20241127145900"></span>参考上方俄文公开信中译。显然崇尚“自由主义”的编者群体反对威权审查,以及担心基金会因利益相关去权衡和妥协。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241127163400-Shizhao-20241127145900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月27日 (三) 16:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241127163400-Shizhao-20241127145900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127163400","author":"YFdyh000","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-YFdyh000-20241127163400-Shizhao-20241127145900","replies":[],"displayName":"YF"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YFdyh000-20241127163400-Shizhao-20241127145900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241126131300-Shizhao-20241126030700"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">要抗议我觉得抗议印度法院或原告都比抗议基金会强。</q>这点我赞同。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241126131300-Shizhao-20241126030700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 13:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241126131300-Shizhao-20241126030700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126131300","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241126131300-Shizhao-20241126030700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241126131300-Shizhao-20241126030700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEM"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leiem-20241126041100-反对闭站抗议"></span>WP:DEM</a>。我觉得最多挂个公告完了。--<a href="/wiki/User:Leiem" title="User:Leiem"><span style="color:#91bef0;font-family:Trebuchet MS;font-size:11.5pt;">Leiem</span></a><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leiem" title="User talk:Leiem">留言</a>·<a href="/wiki/User:Leiem/W" title="User:Leiem/W">签名</a>·<small><a href="/wiki/User:Leiem/P" title="User:Leiem/P">维基调查</a></small>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Leiem-20241126041100-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 04:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leiem-20241126041100-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126041100","author":"Leiem","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Leiem-20241126041100-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leiem-20241126041100-反对闭站抗议"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-20241126123300-反对闭站抗议"></span>zhwiki閉站可能对WMF一点影响都没有,人家根本不看<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>,有别的办法传达zhwiki社群的抗议吗?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Htmlzycq-20241126123300-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 12:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-20241126123300-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126123300","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-20241126123300-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-20241126123300-反对闭站抗议"></span></li> <li><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-begin|"></span><div style="clear: both; margin: 1em auto; border: #999 solid 1px; padding: 0.2em; font-size: 80%;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-August0422-20241128140700-反对闭站抗议"></span>註:此處原有文字,因為原作者刪除,已由<font face="Times New Roman"><a href="/wiki/User:August0422" title="User:August0422">August</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:August0422" title="User talk:August0422">0422</a> 肅此 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:August0422" title="User talk:August0422">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/August0422" title="Special:用户贡献/August0422">C</a>)</font>於<a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-August0422-20241128140700-反对闭站抗议" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月28日 (四) 14:07 (UTC)</a>刪除,尚祈見諒。若有異議請至<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈">互助客棧</a>或向<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板">管理員</a>反映。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-August0422-20241128140700-反对闭站抗议"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128140700","author":"August0422","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-August0422-20241128140700-\u53cd\u5bf9\u95ed\u7ad9\u6297\u8bae","replies":["c-Patrickov-20241128024100-August0422-20241128140700"],"displayName":"August"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-August0422-20241128140700-反对闭站抗议"></span></div><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-end|"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241128024100-August0422-20241128140700"></span>「<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">即使披露個人資料,維基人又能幹甚麼</q>」,披露了就只好刪帳下線了,不然不知哪天寫了甚麼誰人不喜歡的東西,惹上官非甚至人身安全受威脅,很好玩嗎?--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241128024100-August0422-20241128140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月28日 (四) 02:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241128024100-August0422-20241128140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128024100","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241128024100-August0422-20241128140700","replies":["c-August0422-20241128140700-Patrickov-20241128024100"],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241128024100-August0422-20241128140700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-begin|"></span><div style="clear: both; margin: 1em auto; border: #999 solid 1px; padding: 0.2em; font-size: 80%;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-August0422-20241128140700-Patrickov-20241128024100"></span>註:此處原有文字,因為原作者刪除,已由<font face="Times New Roman"><a href="/wiki/User:August0422" title="User:August0422">August</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:August0422" title="User talk:August0422">0422</a> 肅此 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:August0422" title="User talk:August0422">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/August0422" title="Special:用户贡献/August0422">C</a>)</font>於<a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-August0422-20241128140700-Patrickov-20241128024100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月28日 (四) 14:07 (UTC)</a>刪除,尚祈見諒。若有異議請至<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈">互助客棧</a>或向<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98%E5%B8%83%E5%91%8A%E6%9D%BF" title="Wikipedia:管理员布告板">管理員</a>反映。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-August0422-20241128140700-Patrickov-20241128024100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128140700","author":"August0422","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-August0422-20241128140700-Patrickov-20241128024100","replies":[],"displayName":"August"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-August0422-20241128140700-Patrickov-20241128024100"></span></div><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-end|"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="相关讨论" data-mw-thread-id="h-相关讨论-议题1:是否闭站-20241121094000"><span id=".E7.9B.B8.E5.85.B3.E8.AE.A8.E8.AE.BA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-相关讨论-议题1:是否闭站-20241121094000"></span>相关讨论<span data-mw-comment-end="h-相关讨论-议题1:是否闭站-20241121094000"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=27" title="编辑章节:相关讨论"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#8D608C;color:#FFFFFF"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-20241121094000-相关讨论"></span>(&)</span><b>建議</b>第一項改為“本站应该立刻准备闭站抗议,无论事态有否变化” -- <a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Patrickov-20241121094000-相关讨论" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-20241121094000-相关讨论"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121094000","author":"Patrickov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Patrickov-20241121094000-\u76f8\u5173\u8ba8\u8bba","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121094300-Patrickov-20241121094000"],"displayName":"\u6d3e\u7fe0\u53ef\u592b"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrickov-20241121094000-相关讨论"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121094300-Patrickov-20241121094000"></span>已删除有关英维文字。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121094300-Patrickov-20241121094000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121094300-Patrickov-20241121094000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121094300","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121094300-Patrickov-20241121094000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121094300-Patrickov-20241121094000"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span class="skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#8D608C;color:#FFFFFF"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300-相关讨论"></span>(&)</span><b>建議</b>第二项改为:确认WMF已将编辑信息透露给法院,或英维决定闭站。<a href="/wiki/User:Fire-and-Ice" title="User:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:red"><b>Fire</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fire-and-Ice" title="User talk:Fire-and-Ice"><span style="color:#3994E8"><b>Ice</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300-相关讨论" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 10:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300-相关讨论"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121101300","author":"Fire-and-Ice","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300-\u76f8\u5173\u8ba8\u8bba","replies":["c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121101700-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300"],"displayName":"Fire"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300-相关讨论"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121101700-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300"></span>已调整标题。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121101700-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 10:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121101700-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121101700","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121101700-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121101700-Fire-and-Ice-20241121101300"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="议题2:其他抗议措施" data-mw-thread-id="h-议题2:其他抗议措施-七日分割线-20241121093200"><span id=".E8.AE.AE.E9.A2.982.EF.BC.9A.E5.85.B6.E4.BB.96.E6.8A.97.E8.AE.AE.E6.8E.AA.E6.96.BD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-议题2:其他抗议措施-七日分割线-20241121093200"></span>议题2:其他抗议措施<span data-mw-comment-end="h-议题2:其他抗议措施-七日分割线-20241121093200"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=28" title="编辑章节:议题2:其他抗议措施"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241121093200-议题2:其他抗议措施"></span>目前上方已有的抗议措施包括:起草本地公开信、翻译英维公开信(已完成)、首页挂横幅。另外若上方决定闭站,或可在起草本地相关文件时提前拟好。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241121093200-议题2:其他抗议措施" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 09:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241121093200-议题2:其他抗议措施"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121093200","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241121093200-\u8bae\u98982\uff1a\u5176\u4ed6\u6297\u8bae\u63aa\u65bd","replies":["c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141200-\u9b54\u7434-20241121093200","c-\u9b54\u7434-20241122021200-\u9b54\u7434-20241121093200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241121093200-议题2:其他抗议措施"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141200-魔琴-20241121093200"></span>本地公開信是必要的,另外建議大家準備好橫幅/關站聲明內容。--<a href="/wiki/User:Cmsth11126a02" title="User:Cmsth11126a02">Cmsth11126a02</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cmsth11126a02" title="User talk:Cmsth11126a02">留言</a>) <a href="/wiki/%E5%9C%8B%E6%B0%91%E9%BB%A8" class="mw-redirect" title="國民黨">國民黨</a><small>的正確名稱是</small><span style="color: #000099;"><b>大陸國民黨</b></span>! <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141200-魔琴-20241121093200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月21日 (四) 14:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141200-魔琴-20241121093200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121141200","author":"Cmsth11126a02","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141200-\u9b54\u7434-20241121093200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cmsth11126a02-20241121141200-魔琴-20241121093200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241122021200-魔琴-20241121093200"></span>先暂拟一份ASN:维基百科丰富而中立的内容依赖于编者的安全。然而,这一安全正在受到威脅。<b><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#WMF考虑向印度法院披露编辑身份信息,本站是否应该关站抗议">了解详情</a></b> ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241122021200-魔琴-20241121093200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 02:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241122021200-魔琴-20241121093200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122021200","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241122021200-\u9b54\u7434-20241121093200","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241122034600-\u9b54\u7434-20241122021200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241122021200-魔琴-20241121093200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241122034600-魔琴-20241122021200"></span>实在看不出来这怎么就是威胁了?至多是不同意基金会的做法。但基金会的做法应该是有全面的法律上的考虑的,我们是否应该先聘请法律顾问咨询一下呢?如果根本没什么问题,那岂不是很没意思--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241122034600-魔琴-20241122021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 03:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241122034600-魔琴-20241122021200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122034600","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241122034600-\u9b54\u7434-20241122021200","replies":["c-ATannedBurger-20241122044300-Shizhao-20241122034600","c-\u9b54\u7434-20241122054100-Shizhao-20241122034600","c-YFdyh000-20241122113000-Shizhao-20241122034600"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241122034600-魔琴-20241122021200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ATannedBurger-20241122044300-Shizhao-20241122034600"></span>我認為提出社群意見還是可行的,至於基金會那邊有什麼考量,那就是他們自己要去想的了。講難聽點,基金會完全沒有義務理會社群提出的意見。--<a href="/wiki/User:ATannedBurger" title="User:ATannedBurger"><font size="0.001%"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \int }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo>∫<!-- ∫ --></mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \int }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/ca732e5519cd2210bd59f1ab281b4e8f5a6a4413" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -2.338ex; width:2.194ex; height:5.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \int }"/></span></font></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ATannedBurger" title="User talk:ATannedBurger">☎</a>)dt <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-ATannedBurger-20241122044300-Shizhao-20241122034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 04:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ATannedBurger-20241122044300-Shizhao-20241122034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122044300","author":"ATannedBurger","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ATannedBurger-20241122044300-Shizhao-20241122034600","replies":[],"displayName":"\u222b\n \n \n {\\displaystyle \\int }"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ATannedBurger-20241122044300-Shizhao-20241122034600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-魔琴-20241122054100-Shizhao-20241122034600"></span>被人告了不能说不算威胁吧。 ——<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User:魔琴"><span style="color:#080;font-size:120%;font-family:cursive">魔琴</span></a><small>[<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4/i" title="User:魔琴/i"><span style="color:#e55">身份声明</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="User talk:魔琴">留言</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4" title="Special:用户贡献/魔琴">贡献</a> <a href="/wiki/WikiProject:NEW23" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiProject:NEW23">新手2023</a>]</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-魔琴-20241122054100-Shizhao-20241122034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 05:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-魔琴-20241122054100-Shizhao-20241122034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122054100","author":"\u9b54\u7434","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9b54\u7434-20241122054100-Shizhao-20241122034600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-魔琴-20241122054100-Shizhao-20241122034600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YFdyh000-20241122113000-Shizhao-20241122034600"></span>法律上的考虑相当含糊,并且决定肯定不限于“遵守法律”。简单来说,如果大陆/香港/美国/...政府基于某项理由要求数据或其他配合(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B6%88%E6%81%AF/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2009%E5%B9%B47%E6%9C%88#为保护被俘记者,维基百科实行自我审查" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/消息/存档/2009年7月">历史事件</a>),基金会的处置流程和态度以及对外界的影响。如果“根本没什么问题”,基金会有责任和必要尽力澄清或表明态度/政策(在法律允许下),而编者亦应了解和表态。--<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000"><span style="color:#0000DD;">YF</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/YFdyh000" title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-YFdyh000-20241122113000-Shizhao-20241122034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 11:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20241122113000-Shizhao-20241122034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id=".E5.9C.8B.E7.AB.8B.E8.87.BA.E7.81.A3.E6.AD.B7.E5.8F.B2.E5.8D.9A.E7.89.A9.E9.A4.A8.E5.9B.BE.E7.89.87.E7.9A.84.E7.89.88.E6.9D.83.E9.97.AE.E9.A2.98"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-國立臺灣歷史博物館图片的版权问题-20241119103200"></span><a href="/wiki/%E5%9C%8B%E7%AB%8B%E8%87%BA%E7%81%A3%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E5%8D%9A%E7%89%A9%E9%A4%A8" title="國立臺灣歷史博物館">國立臺灣歷史博物館</a>图片的版权问题<span data-mw-comment-end="h-國立臺灣歷史博物館图片的版权问题-20241119103200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=30" title="编辑章节:國立臺灣歷史博物館图片的版权问题"><span>编辑</span></a><span 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96/%E5%AD%98%E6%A1%A3/2024%E5%B9%B410%E6%9C%88#关于图片的版权问题" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他/存档/2024年10月">我上次的提问</a>。好多老照片看起来是公有领域,但标注了“仅限浏览”。--<a href="/wiki/User:Thyj" title="User:Thyj">Thyj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thyj" title="User talk:Thyj">คุย</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Thyj-20241119103200-國立臺灣歷史博物館图片的版权问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月19日 (二) 10:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thyj-20241119103200-國立臺灣歷史博物館图片的版权问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Kcx36-20241119105700-Thyj-20241119103200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119105700","author":"Kcx36","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kcx36-20241119105700-Thyj-20241119103200","replies":["c-Thyj-20241119111600-Kcx36-20241119105700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kcx36-20241119105700-Thyj-20241119103200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thyj-20241119111600-Kcx36-20241119105700"></span>比如<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://collections.nmth.gov.tw/CollectionContent.aspx?a=132&amp;rno=2005.006.0430">这个</a>,下面“部件清单”目录的所有照片也是仅限浏览。--<a href="/wiki/User:Thyj" title="User:Thyj">Thyj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thyj" title="User talk:Thyj">คุย</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Thyj-20241119111600-Kcx36-20241119105700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月19日 (二) 11:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thyj-20241119111600-Kcx36-20241119105700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119111600","author":"Thyj","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thyj-20241119111600-Kcx36-20241119105700","replies":["c-Kcx36-20241119113700-Thyj-20241119111600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thyj-20241119111600-Kcx36-20241119105700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kcx36-20241119113700-Thyj-20241119111600"></span>可以上传到共享资源,因为满足<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Taiwan-1996" class="extiw" title="c:Template:PD-Taiwan-1996">c:Template:PD-Taiwan-1996</a>的要求。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kcx36" title="User:Kcx36">Kcx36</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kcx36" title="User talk:Kcx36">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Kcx36-20241119113700-Thyj-20241119111600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月19日 (二) 11:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kcx36-20241119113700-Thyj-20241119111600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:Thyj" title="User:Thyj">Thyj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thyj" title="User talk:Thyj">คุย</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Thyj-20241119125000-Kcx36-20241119113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月19日 (二) 12:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thyj-20241119125000-Kcx36-20241119113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119125000","author":"Thyj","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Thyj-20241119125000-Kcx36-20241119113700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thyj-20241119125000-Kcx36-20241119113700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241122140100-如何处理针对使用者和IP发起的傀儡调查"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,在討論結束後應<b>存檔</b>至<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:%E5%82%80%E5%84%A1%E8%AA%BF%E6%9F%A5" title="Wikipedia talk:傀儡調查">Wikipedia talk:傀儡調查</a></b><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="archive-to|Wikipedia talk:傀儡調查"></span>。</p><p><span class="bot-directive-archiver" title="no-archive-end|"></span> </p><p>根据用户查核和私隐政策的要求,监管员一般不会提供IP和注册使用者之间的技术关系,那么本地究竟应该如何处理针对使用者和IP之间发起的傀儡调查案件?在这类案件中,傀儡调查助理及其他用户可发挥的作用有限,故在下认为是否可以将此类案件直接导入VIP程序处理而不经过傀儡调查程序。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241122140100-如何处理针对使用者和IP发起的傀儡调查" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月22日 (五) 14:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241122140100-如何处理针对使用者和IP发起的傀儡调查"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122140100","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hamish-20241122140100-\u5982\u4f55\u5904\u7406\u9488\u5bf9\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u548cIP\u53d1\u8d77\u7684\u5080\u5121\u8c03\u67e5","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241125024100-Hamish-20241122140100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241122140100-如何处理针对使用者和IP发起的傀儡调查"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241125024100-Hamish-20241122140100"></span>其实IP和用户名一起提供,一般还是会受理的吧。只要结论里看不出IP和用户名之间的关系就行。比如要求核查IP1和用户a、用户b,监管员最终给出结论,确认用户a、用户b、用户c为傀儡。这里除了监管员,谁也不知道用户c是从用户a、用户b里查出来的,还是从IP1里查出来的--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241125024100-Hamish-20241122140100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 02:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241125024100-Hamish-20241122140100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Ericliu1912-20241125081900-Shizhao-20241125024100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 08:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20241125081900-Shizhao-20241125024100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125081900","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-20241125081900-Shizhao-20241125024100","replies":["c-Hamish-20241125094800-Ericliu1912-20241125081900"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-20241125081900-Shizhao-20241125024100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241125094800-Ericliu1912-20241125081900"></span>啊对,我就是指的这种,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732983"><q class="inline-quote-talk">僅一個匿名帳號、一個註冊帳號</q>的情况要怎么处理,但可能需要一并考虑一个注册账号和多个IP的情况。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241125094800-Ericliu1912-20241125081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 09:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241125094800-Ericliu1912-20241125081900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125094800","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hamish-20241125094800-Ericliu1912-20241125081900","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241125112800-Hamish-20241125094800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241125094800-Ericliu1912-20241125081900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241125112800-Hamish-20241125094800"></span>我觉得是没啥问题,结论里不和IP有关联就行--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241125112800-Hamish-20241125094800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 11:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241125112800-Hamish-20241125094800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125112800","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241125112800-Hamish-20241125094800","replies":["c-Hamish-20241125161400-Shizhao-20241125112800"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241125112800-Hamish-20241125094800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241125161400-Shizhao-20241125112800"></span>但,根据<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Checkuser/2024-08#李伟12@zh.wikipedia" class="extiw" title="m:Steward requests/Checkuser/2024-08">最近一次</a>涉及IP的查核结果,监管员并不会对IP进行反馈,那么仅一個匿名帳號、一個註冊帳號的查核,就没有实际的转交意义,也就失去了本站既有傀儡调查程序中“傀儡调查助理”的用意,进而私见是可以直接交由VIP处理的。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241125161400-Shizhao-20241125112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 16:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241125161400-Shizhao-20241125112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125161400","author":"Hamish","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Hamish-20241125161400-Shizhao-20241125112800","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241126024700-Hamish-20241125161400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamish-20241125161400-Shizhao-20241125112800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241126024700-Hamish-20241125161400"></span>我认为监管员这样反应完全没有问题啊,你也不知道查出来的傀儡与这个IP有没有关联,你也不知道监管员有没有查这个IP,人家只是不予置评--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241126024700-Hamish-20241125161400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 02:47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241126024700-Hamish-20241125161400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126024700","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241126024700-Hamish-20241125161400","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241126024800-Shizhao-20241126024700"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241126024700-Hamish-20241125161400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241126024800-Shizhao-20241126024700"></span>而且提供IP给监管员,也能够提供更多的证据,有利于查核。--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241126024800-Shizhao-20241126024700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 02:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241126024800-Shizhao-20241126024700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126024800","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241126024800-Shizhao-20241126024700","replies":["c-Hamish-20241127110000-Shizhao-20241126024800"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241126024800-Shizhao-20241126024700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamish-20241127110000-Shizhao-20241126024800"></span>但是其实这个是多注册账户的情况,我是在想,1v1的情况下,监管员会不会直接不查。。--<a href="/wiki/User:Hamish" title="User:Hamish"><span style="background:White;color:Blue;border-radius:999px">Hamish </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamish" title="User talk:Hamish"><span style="font:10px Microsoft JhengHei;color:red;font-weight:bold">T</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Hamish-20241127110000-Shizhao-20241126024800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月27日 (三) 11:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamish-20241127110000-Shizhao-20241126024800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="中年好聲音">中年好聲音</a>》,在播映期間因部分延伸確認用戶發生編輯戰而全保護3個月之久,過長的全保護漠視了其他沒有參與編輯戰用戶的權利,且當時交戰雙方在對方的個人討論頁進行指責,卻沒有人試圖在條目討論頁發起討論,連事後其他人追溯到底發生過什麼事都有困難。這次<a href="/wiki/%E7%A0%B4%C2%B7%E5%9C%B0%E7%8D%84" title="破·地獄">破·地獄</a>全保護的時長合理,但一般人根本難以注意有討論存在於<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8#電影條目過度收錄問題" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨#電影條目過度收錄問題</a>,希望管理員也能多做一點促進討論。就此,我建議如下: </p> <ol><li>全保護後如未有人發起討論,管理員可在條目討論頁發起,通知有關用戶。</li> <li>如管理員得知已有人發起相關討論,但並非在條目討論頁,管理員可在條目討論頁留下連結。</li> <li>保護模板可否進化一下,能加入相關討論連結?--<a href="/wiki/User:Factrecordor" title="User:Factrecordor">Factrecordor</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Factrecordor" title="User talk:Factrecordor">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Factrecordor-20241124123300-對於全保護的一些建議" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月24日 (日) 12:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Factrecordor-20241124123300-對於全保護的一些建議"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124123300","author":"Factrecordor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Factrecordor-20241124123300-\u5c0d\u65bc\u5168\u4fdd\u8b77\u7684\u4e00\u4e9b\u5efa\u8b70","replies":["c-Factrecordor-20241124124500-Factrecordor-20241124123300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Factrecordor-20241124123300-對於全保護的一些建議"></span></li></ol> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Factrecordor-20241124124500-Factrecordor-20241124123300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AT" title="User:AT">AT</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Manchiu" title="User:Manchiu">Manchiu</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">Shizhao</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:ATannedBurger" title="User:ATannedBurger">ATannedBurger</a>:</span>通知我所知的活躍管理員。--<a href="/wiki/User:Factrecordor" title="User:Factrecordor">Factrecordor</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Factrecordor" title="User talk:Factrecordor">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Factrecordor-20241124124500-Factrecordor-20241124123300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月24日 (日) 12:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Factrecordor-20241124124500-Factrecordor-20241124123300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124124500","author":"Factrecordor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Factrecordor-20241124124500-Factrecordor-20241124123300","replies":["c-45.64.241.58-20241125012200-Factrecordor-20241124124500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Factrecordor-20241124124500-Factrecordor-20241124123300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-45.64.241.58-20241125012200-Factrecordor-20241124124500"></span>補充建議:模板上可以註明任何人如想發起討論,盡量在條目討論頁,如在其他地方發起,請在條目討論頁留下連結,以便其他關注此條目的人能參與。我是factrecordor--<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/45.64.241.58" title="Special:用户贡献/45.64.241.58">45.64.241.58</a>(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:45.64.241.58&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:45.64.241.58(页面不存在)">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-45.64.241.58-20241125012200-Factrecordor-20241124124500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 01:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-45.64.241.58-20241125012200-Factrecordor-20241124124500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125012200","author":"45.64.241.58","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-45.64.241.58-20241125012200-Factrecordor-20241124124500","replies":["c-Manchiu-20241125015000-45.64.241.58-20241125012200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-45.64.241.58-20241125012200-Factrecordor-20241124124500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Manchiu-20241125015000-45.64.241.58-20241125012200"></span>通知有關用戶,是指近期編輯該條目的用戶?--<a href="/wiki/User:Manchiu" title="User:Manchiu">千村狐兔</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Manchiu" title="User talk:Manchiu">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Manchiu-20241125015000-45.64.241.58-20241125012200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 01:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Manchiu-20241125015000-45.64.241.58-20241125012200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125015000","author":"Manchiu","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Manchiu-20241125015000-45.64.241.58-20241125012200","replies":["c-Factrecordor-20241125124500-Manchiu-20241125015000"],"displayName":"\u5343\u6751\u72d0\u5154"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Manchiu-20241125015000-45.64.241.58-20241125012200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Factrecordor-20241125124500-Manchiu-20241125015000"></span>本意只是指直接引發全保護的用戶而已,如編輯戰雙方。當然,如能PING近期編輯該條目的用戶就更好,但未知這樣會否過度加重管理員工作量。--<a href="/wiki/User:Factrecordor" title="User:Factrecordor">Factrecordor</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Factrecordor" title="User talk:Factrecordor">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Factrecordor-20241125124500-Manchiu-20241125015000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月25日 (一) 12:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Factrecordor-20241125124500-Manchiu-20241125015000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125124500","author":"Factrecordor","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Factrecordor-20241125124500-Manchiu-20241125015000","replies":["c-Shizhao-20241126025200-Factrecordor-20241125124500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Factrecordor-20241125124500-Manchiu-20241125015000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20241126025200-Factrecordor-20241125124500"></span>管理员没义务做这事,这事情应该是有意参与讨论的人来做的--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Shizhao-20241126025200-Factrecordor-20241125124500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 02:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shizhao-20241126025200-Factrecordor-20241125124500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126025200","author":"Shizhao","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Shizhao-20241126025200-Factrecordor-20241125124500","replies":["c-Factrecordor-20241126152200-Shizhao-20241126025200"],"displayName":"\u767e\u7121\u4e00\u7528\u662f\u66f8\u751f"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shizhao-20241126025200-Factrecordor-20241125124500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Factrecordor-20241126152200-Shizhao-20241126025200"></span>那麼只修改增加模板內容,呼籲應在條目討論頁發起討論或留下討論的連結。可以嗎?--<a href="/wiki/User:Factrecordor" title="User:Factrecordor">Factrecordor</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Factrecordor" title="User talk:Factrecordor">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Factrecordor-20241126152200-Shizhao-20241126025200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 15:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Factrecordor-20241126152200-Shizhao-20241126025200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-thread-id="h-TimedText命名空間-20241126132500"><span id="TimedText.E5.91.BD.E5.90.8D.E7.A9.BA.E9.96.93"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TimedText命名空間-20241126132500"></span>TimedText命名空間<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TimedText命名空間-20241126132500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96&amp;action=edit&amp;section=33" title="编辑章节:TimedText命名空間"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-August0422-20241126132500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593-20241126132500","replies":["c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-August0422-20241126135200-Stang-20241126134000","timestamp":"20241126135200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-August0422-20241126132500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593-20241126132500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText命名空間"></span>如題,請問TimedText命名空間如何使用--<font face=""><a href="/wiki/User:August0422" title="User:August0422">August0422</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:August0422" title="User talk:August0422">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/August0422" title="Special:用户贡献/August0422">C</a>)</font> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText命名空間" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 13:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText命名空間"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126132500","author":"August0422","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText\u547d\u540d\u7a7a\u9593","replies":["c-Stang-20241126134000-August0422-20241126132500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-August0422-20241126132500-TimedText命名空間"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stang-20241126134000-August0422-20241126132500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:August0422" title="User:August0422">August0422</a>:</span><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Timed_Text" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Timed Text">c:Commons:Timed_Text</a>。下次这种问题发在“求助”版。<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stang" title="User talk:Stang"><b> <span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#F67" lang="en">Stang</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Stang" title="Special:用户贡献/Stang"><span style="color:#3F6">★</span></a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-Stang-20241126134000-August0422-20241126132500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 13:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stang-20241126134000-August0422-20241126132500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126134000","author":"Stang","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Stang-20241126134000-August0422-20241126132500","replies":["c-August0422-20241126135200-Stang-20241126134000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stang-20241126134000-August0422-20241126132500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-August0422-20241126135200-Stang-20241126134000"></span>好的--<font face=""><a href="/wiki/User:August0422" title="User:August0422">August0422</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:August0422" title="User talk:August0422">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/August0422" title="Special:用户贡献/August0422">C</a>)</font> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E5%85%B6%E4%BB%96#c-August0422-20241126135200-Stang-20241126134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年11月26日 (二) 13:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-August0422-20241126135200-Stang-20241126134000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-\u4e16\u754c\u89e3\u653e\u8005-20241128134800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u6709\u6c92\u6709\u719f\u6089\u4ef2\u590f\u591c\u4e4b\u6deb\u5922\u7684\u7dad\u57fa\u4eba-20241128134800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-\u4e16\u754c\u89e3\u653e\u8005-20241128134800-\u6709\u6c92\u6709\u719f\u6089\u4ef2\u590f\u591c\u4e4b\u6deb\u5922\u7684\u7dad\u57fa\u4eba&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u6709\u6c92\u6709\u719f\u6089\u4ef2\u590f\u591c\u4e4b\u6deb\u5922\u7684\u7dad\u57fa\u4eba&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u6709\u6c92\u6709\u719f\u6089\u4ef2\u590f\u591c\u4e4b\u6deb\u5922\u7684\u7dad\u57fa\u4eba&quot;}--><h2 id="有沒有熟悉仲夏夜之淫夢的維基人" data-mw-thread-id="h-有沒有熟悉仲夏夜之淫夢的維基人-20241128134800"><span 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