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See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:ERRORS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:ERRORS">WT:ERRORS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUBSCRIBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUBSCRIBE">WP:SUBSCRIBE</a>. - Dank (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dank" title="User talk:Dank">push to talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Dank-20220929012400-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dank-20220929012400-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dank-20220929012400-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Today's_FA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Today's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span id="Today.27s_FA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Today's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/November_23,_2024" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 23, 2024">Today's FA</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Today's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Tomorrow's_FA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span id="Tomorrow.27s_FA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/November_24,_2024" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 24, 2024">Tomorrow's FA</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Day-after-tomorrow's_FA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span id="Day-after-tomorrow.27s_FA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/November_25,_2024" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 25, 2024">Day-after-tomorrow's FA</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_with_"In_the_news"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_with_"In_the_news"-Main_Page_error_reports-20241122105700"><span id="Errors_with_.22In_the_news.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Errors_with_"In_the_news"-Main_Page_error_reports-20241122105700"></span>Errors with "<a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a>"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Errors_with_"In_the_news"-Main_Page_error_reports-20241122105700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war_figures" class="mw-redirect" title="International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israel–Hamas war figures"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sportsnut24-20241122105700-Errors_with_"In_the_news""></span>International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israel–Hamas war figures</a> is coming along well now with mention of the background, the 3 individuals and the reactions. It can fit on the main page more appropriately.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sportsnut24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sportsnut24 (page does not exist)">Sportsnut24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sportsnut24" title="User talk:Sportsnut24">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Sportsnut24-20241122105700-Errors_with_"In_the_news"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sportsnut24-20241122105700-Errors_with_"In_the_news""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sportsnut24-20241122105700-Errors_with_"In_the_news""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241122182000-Sportsnut24-20241122105700"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/18px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/27px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/36px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Not done</b></span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sportsnut24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sportsnut24 (page does not exist)">Sportsnut24</a>, that's not an error. If you want to change the target article, that needs to be discussed and agreed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ITN/C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ITN/C">WP:ITN/C</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color:var(--color-base, #202122);">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Schwede66-20241122182000-Sportsnut24-20241122105700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241122182000-Sportsnut24-20241122105700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241122182000-Sportsnut24-20241122105700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-Main_Page_error_reports-20241122205400"><span id="Errors_in_.22Did_you_know_....22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-Main_Page_error_reports-20241122205400"></span>Errors in "Did you know ..."<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-Main_Page_error_reports-20241122205400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Current_DYK" data-mw-thread-id="h-Current_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-20241122205400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Current_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-20241122205400"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Current DYK</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Current_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-20241122205400"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Panhandle_Gap" data-mw-thread-id="h-Panhandle_Gap-Current_DYK-20241122205400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Panhandle_Gap-Current_DYK-20241122205400"></span>Panhandle Gap<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Panhandle_Gap-Current_DYK-20241122205400"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400-Panhandle_Gap"></span>"that Mount Rainier cannot be seen from Panhandle Gap (pictured), despite the trail being ...". The Panhandle Gap is a col, not a trail, so what is this "the trail"? In fact it seems to be the Wonderland Trail, which leads to the Panhandle Gap. So I suggest to write "despite a trail that leads to it being ...". (Generally, it is rather unsurprising that a local peak is hidden at the point where the trail crosses a ridge, so I don't really accept the logic behind "despite", but I don't care about that.) <a href="/wiki/User:Jmchutchinson" title="User:Jmchutchinson">JMCHutchinson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmchutchinson" title="User talk:Jmchutchinson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400-Panhandle_Gap" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400-Panhandle_Gap"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400-Panhandle_Gap"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400"></span>I agree – the article says that <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">The hike along the <a href="/wiki/Wonderland_Trail" title="Wonderland Trail">Wonderland Trail</a> […] to the gap has been described as "possibly the best day hike" in <a href="/wiki/Mount_Rainier_National_Park" title="Mount Rainier National Park">Mount Rainier National Park</a></q>. The source for the quote is <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=ijLRDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA100">Hiking Washington: A Guide to the State's Greatest Hiking Adventures</a></i>, p. 100, at <a href="/wiki/Google_Books" title="Google Books">Google Books</a>, which does say:</dd> <dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Possibly the best day hike in Mount Rainier National Park, this section of the Wonderland Trail from Fryingpan Creek to Summerland and Panhandle Gap traverses a huge variety of terrain and ecosystems.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>but later on the page says:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>At Summerland and Panhandle Gap you can bask in the presence of colossal Mount Rainier. Its sheer size is hard to comprehend until you see it up close.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>I'm not sure whether it means that you can <i>literally see</i> Mount Rainier <i>from Panhandle Gap in particular</i>, but either way it's clear that Mount Rainier is visible for a significant portion of the hike. That means "best day hike" and "can't see Mount Rainier" aren't both true of the same thing (as the original hook seems to imply). <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100-Jmchutchinson-20241122205400"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123084500-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100"></span>The article says "On a clear day, Mount Adams is visible from Panhandle Gap, but Mount Rainier itself is largely blocked by the ridge to the west" . If it's "largely blocked" then that implies that it's still visible to some extent. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Backpacking_Washington/rkcN0dYE-vMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=panhandle+gap&pg=PA188&printsec=frontcover">source</a> for this tells you how to get to a high point by the gap that gives you a good view of the mountain. So there's not really a "despite". The trail seems popular because it provides good views rather than otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew</a>🐉(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123084500-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123084500-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123084500-Jlwoodwa-20241122211100"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="StoneToss" data-mw-thread-id="h-StoneToss-Current_DYK-20241123013900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-StoneToss-Current_DYK-20241123013900"></span>StoneToss<span data-mw-comment-end="h-StoneToss-Current_DYK-20241123013900"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Traumnovelle-20241123013900-StoneToss"></span>"that X's rules were changed when StoneToss sought help from Elon Musk after an anti-fascist group published materials claiming to have revealed their identity?" should say 'Twitter' like the hook originally said, which won't be mistaken for what the letter X is commonly used for in writing. <a href="/wiki/User:Traumnovelle" title="User:Traumnovelle">Traumnovelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Traumnovelle" title="User talk:Traumnovelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Traumnovelle-20241123013900-StoneToss" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Traumnovelle-20241123013900-StoneToss"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Traumnovelle-20241123013900-StoneToss"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123091100-Traumnovelle-20241123013900"></span>I agree. The article uses "Twitter" throughout and the hook was <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/StoneToss" title="Template:Did you know nominations/StoneToss">approved</a> with "Twitter" too. The letter X is quite ambiguous and so our article about the social media site is still titled <a href="/wiki/Twitter" title="Twitter">Twitter</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew</a>🐉(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123091100-Traumnovelle-20241123013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123091100-Traumnovelle-20241123013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-20241123091100-Traumnovelle-20241123013900"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Next_DYK" data-mw-thread-id="h-Next_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-20241123005200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Next_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-20241123005200"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/5" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/5">Next DYK</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Next_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_..."-20241123005200"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK"></span>Charles J. 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Gwinn: duplink in caption. — <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ravenpuff" title="User:Ravenpuff"><span style="color:#006">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#960">PVFF</span></a></b></span> <b>·</b> <span><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ravenpuff" title="User talk:Ravenpuff">talk</a></i></span> <b>·</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-1"></span>Florentina Holzinger: the template after the bolded link should be <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%60s" title="Template:`s">`s</a>}}</code> rather than <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%27s" title="Template:'s">'s</a>}}</code>. — <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ravenpuff" title="User:Ravenpuff"><span style="color:#006">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#960">PVFF</span></a></b></span> <b>·</b> <span><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ravenpuff" title="User talk:Ravenpuff">talk</a></i></span> <b>·</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-1"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-2"></span>Apricot dress of Jacqueline Kennedy: page moved, so redirect needs bypassing. Also, I suggest "hot weather" (a more common term) instead of <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">hot temperature</q>. — <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ravenpuff" title="User:Ravenpuff"><span style="color:#006">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#960">PVFF</span></a></b></span> <b>·</b> <span><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ravenpuff" title="User talk:Ravenpuff">talk</a></i></span> <b>·</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ravenpuff-20241123005200-Next_DYK-2"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20241123014800-Ravenpuff-20241123005200"></span>All done, thanks for the corrections. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-RoySmith-20241123014800-Ravenpuff-20241123005200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20241123014800-Ravenpuff-20241123005200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20241123014800-Ravenpuff-20241123005200"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Next-but-one_DYK" data-mw-thread-id="h-Next-but-one_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_...""><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Next-but-one_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_...""></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/6" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/6">Next-but-one DYK</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Next-but-one_DYK-Errors_in_"Did_you_know_...""></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_in_"On_this_day"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_in_"On_this_day"-Main_Page_error_reports-20241123000700"><span id="Errors_in_.22On_this_day.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Errors_in_"On_this_day"-Main_Page_error_reports-20241123000700"></span>Errors in "On this day"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Errors_in_"On_this_day"-Main_Page_error_reports-20241123000700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Today's_OTD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Today's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day"-20241123000700"><span id="Today.27s_OTD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Today's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day"-20241123000700"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/November_23" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/November 23">Today's OTD</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Today's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day"-20241123000700"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Colin_Turnbull" title="Colin Turnbull"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JennyOz-20241123000700-Today's_OTD"></span>Colin Turnbull</a> (b. 1924) - this article is a bit light on references, including for his date of birth. <a href="/wiki/User:JennyOz" title="User:JennyOz">JennyOz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JennyOz" title="User talk:JennyOz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-JennyOz-20241123000700-Today's_OTD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JennyOz-20241123000700-Today's_OTD"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JennyOz-20241123000700-Today's_OTD"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123075300-JennyOz-20241123000700"></span>I've added a cite for November 23, which is definitely the consensus in sources (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-guardian-colin-turnbull/159590148/"><i>Guardian</i> obit</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/contemporaryauth146edga/mode/2up?q=%22born+november+23%2C+1924%22">Gale</a>, even <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.colinturnbull.com/photos9.html">the tombstone</a>), but the Grinker biography gives the date as November 24. I suspect that was just a mistake, but if anyone would be more comfortable pulling it, I won't complain. (I remember reading <i>The Forest People</i> while sick with a nasty virus...I didn't enjoy it too much.) <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123075300-JennyOz-20241123000700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123075300-JennyOz-20241123000700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123075300-JennyOz-20241123000700"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Tomorrow's_OTD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tomorrow's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day""><span id="Tomorrow.27s_OTD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tomorrow's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day""></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/November_24" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/November 24">Tomorrow's OTD</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tomorrow's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day""></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Day-after-tomorrow's_OTD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day""><span id="Day-after-tomorrow.27s_OTD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day""></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/November_25" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/November 25">Day-after-tomorrow's OTD</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_OTD-Errors_in_"On_this_day""></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list-Main_Page_error_reports"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list-Main_Page_error_reports"></span>Errors in the summary of the featured list<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list-Main_Page_error_reports"></span></h2></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Friday's_FL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Friday's_FL-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list"><span id="Friday.27s_FL"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Friday's_FL-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_list/November_29,_2024" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured list/November 29, 2024">Friday's FL</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Friday's_FL-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list"></span></h3></div> <div><b>(November 29)</b></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Monday's_FL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Monday's_FL-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list"><span id="Monday.27s_FL"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Monday's_FL-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_list/November_25,_2024" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured list/November 25, 2024">Monday's FL</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Monday's_FL-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_list"></span></h3></div> <div><b>(November 25)</b></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture-Main_Page_error_reports"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture-Main_Page_error_reports"></span>Errors in the summary of the featured picture<span 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id="h-Today's_POTD-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:POTD_protected/2024-11-23" title="Template:POTD protected/2024-11-23">Today's POTD</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Today's_POTD-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Tomorrow's_POTD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tomorrow's_POTD-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture"><span id="Tomorrow.27s_POTD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tomorrow's_POTD-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:POTD_protected/2024-11-24" title="Template:POTD protected/2024-11-24">Tomorrow's POTD</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tomorrow's_POTD-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_picture"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="General_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-General_discussion-20241121220400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-General_discussion-20241121220400"></span>General discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-General_discussion-20241121220400"></span></h1></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1252059228"><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="T:MP"></span><span id="WT:MP"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T:MP&redirect=no">T:MP</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:MP&redirect=no">WT:MP</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Main_page_balance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Main_page_balance-General_discussion-20241121220400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Main_page_balance-General_discussion-20241121220400"></span>Main page balance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Main_page_balance-General_discussion-20241121220400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241121220400-Main_page_balance"></span>Amakuru</a>, I had already removed items from today and tomorrow's OTD. On my wide-screen monitor, that achieved balance. Now, the right column is too short for me. I know that it's not an exact science, but were you balancing for a wide-screen monitor? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color:var(--color-base, #202122);">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Schwede66-20241121220400-Main_page_balance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241121220400-Main_page_balance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241121220400-Main_page_balance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amakuru-20241121222900-Schwede66-20241121220400"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66">Schwede66</a>:</span> I'm just wondering what you're looking at? When I was balancing I was looking initially at making the top of DYK and OTD match, and with the new count I've just initiated those seem to line up at most widths when I grow and shrink the browser. For example here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://imgur.com/SSDtz1n">[1]</a> Ther are admittedly now some widths where the bottom of OTD is not quite matched to the bottom of DYK, so it could work to add one more item in there, but as you see in the above image it's not terrible on that score... Are you seeing something different? Cheers — <a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru">Amakuru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amakuru" title="User talk:Amakuru">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Amakuru-20241121222900-Schwede66-20241121220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amakuru-20241121222900-Schwede66-20241121220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amakuru-20241121222900-Schwede66-20241121220400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241121230000-Amakuru-20241121222900"></span>Well, I usually have the sidebar turned on. When I turn it off (hide it), I get the same as you. I hadn't noticed that performance difference before and don't know whether it's defined anywhere how it's supposed to be. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color:var(--color-base, #202122);">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Schwede66-20241121230000-Amakuru-20241121222900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241121230000-Amakuru-20241121222900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241121230000-Amakuru-20241121222900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241121232600-Amakuru-20241121222900"></span>Ok, I've had a look why toggling the tool sidebar changes the main page balance and to be honest, I don't understand what's going on. First up, I've measured how much of the screen width is given to the columns. With the tools showing, it's 55%/45% (left/right). Without the tools, it's 53%/47%. For me at least. Trying to understand why there is a difference, I've looked at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page/styles.css" title="Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css">the main page's CSS</a>. Rows 75 to 89 appear to be dealing with the ratio, and it says it's 55%/45%. Hence, why does turning the tools off / hiding them change the ratio that assigns to the two columns? And <a href="/wiki/User:Khajidha" title="User:Khajidha">Khajidha</a>, I'm aware of your longstanding advocacy for a single-column design. That's not what this is about; I'd like to understand why the ratio changes. Once we've figured that out, we can think about stopping it from doing that. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color:var(--color-base, #202122);">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Schwede66-20241121232600-Amakuru-20241121222900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241121232600-Amakuru-20241121222900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241121232600-Amakuru-20241121222900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amakuru-20241121233200-Schwede66-20241121232600"></span>Yes, it is rather confusing - too many factors to consider when trying to achieve balance. To be honest with you, with Vector2022 I thought we'd now reached a situation where the width was more-or-less fixed whatever the width, unless you went down to a very narrow viewport. That's what we see with articles, but it doesn't seem to be the case on the main page. I guess the four-panel layout makes it more complicated. — <a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru">Amakuru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amakuru" title="User talk:Amakuru">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Amakuru-20241121233200-Schwede66-20241121232600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amakuru-20241121233200-Schwede66-20241121232600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amakuru-20241121233200-Schwede66-20241121232600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="News_photos" data-mw-thread-id="h-News_photos-General_discussion-20241122065800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-News_photos-General_discussion-20241122065800"></span>News photos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-News_photos-General_discussion-20241122065800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241122065800-News_photos"></span>Should we add Deif and Gallant to the news photos? <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241122065800-News_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241122065800-News_photos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241122065800-News_photos"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unrelated_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unrelated_category-General_discussion-20241122172400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unrelated_category-General_discussion-20241122172400"></span>Unrelated category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unrelated_category-General_discussion-20241122172400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWikipede-20241122172400-Unrelated_category"></span>Why is the main page in <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_containing_Proto-Indo-European-language_text" title="Category:Articles containing Proto-Indo-European-language text">Category:Articles containing Proto-Indo-European-language text</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikipede" title="User:TheWikipede"><span style="font-family: monospace; color: blue; text-shadow: 0px 0px 10px lightblue;">TheWikipede</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikipede" title="User talk:TheWikipede"><span style="font-family: monospace; color: blue;"><i>talk</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-TheWikipede-20241122172400-Unrelated_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWikipede-20241122172400-Unrelated_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWikipede-20241122172400-Unrelated_category"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modest_Genius-20241122173500-TheWikipede-20241122172400"></span>Because it does - the TFA summary contains proto-Indo-European text wrapped in <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>|ine-x-proto}}</code>. If that's a problem, add nocat=yes to those template calls, which would prevent the category being emitted. 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