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id="toc-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-POV_and_edit_warring" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#POV_and_edit_warring"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>POV and edit warring</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-POV_and_edit_warring-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>RFC on the conduct of a user you have been involved with</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Castilian Spanish on DAB</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paella" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paella"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Paella</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Paella-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Paella subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Paella-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-New_etymology_changes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_etymology_changes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.1</span> <span>New etymology changes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-New_etymology_changes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Valencia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Valencia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Valencia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Valencia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-El_Clasico" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#El_Clasico"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>El Clasico</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-El_Clasico-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>¿Cual es tu problema con el Real Madrid?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>¿Quieres acabar con esta guerra?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mapa" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mapa"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Mapa</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mapa-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Spain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Spain</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Spain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-El_Clasico_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#El_Clasico_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>El Clasico</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-El_Clasico_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Aragon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Aragon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Aragon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Aragon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Eonavian" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Eonavian"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Eonavian</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Eonavian-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Your run in with Novaseminary</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-El_Clásico" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#El_Clásico"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>El Clásico</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-El_Clásico-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pepe_(1908–1931)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pepe_(1908–1931)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Pepe (1908–1931)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Pepe_(1908–1931)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Calimero" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Calimero"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Calimero</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Calimero-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paella_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paella_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Paella article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Paella_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Extremaduran" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Extremaduran"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Extremaduran</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Extremaduran-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paella_Article_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paella_Article_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Paella Article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Paella_Article_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP:ANI_Report" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP:ANI_Report"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>WP:ANI Report</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-WP:ANI_Report-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Galician" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Galician"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Galician</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Galician-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Formal"_Spanish" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Formal"_Spanish"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>"Formal" Spanish</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"Formal"_Spanish-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paella_article_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paella_article_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Paella article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Paella_article_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_warring_on_paella" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_warring_on_paella"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Edit warring on paella</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_warring_on_paella-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-unreferenced_towns" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#unreferenced_towns"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>unreferenced towns</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-unreferenced_towns-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Edit warring on Catalan language</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Valencian-centric_theories_???" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Valencian-centric_theories_???"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Valencian-centric theories ???</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Valencian-centric_theories_???-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>need outside opinions in Crown of Castile</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Influences_on_the_Spanish_language"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Influences on the Spanish language</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deberíamos_parar_esto" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deberíamos_parar_esto"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Deberíamos parar esto</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deberíamos_parar_esto-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Citation_needed_in_Navarre" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Citation_needed_in_Navarre"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Citation needed in Navarre</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Citation_needed_in_Navarre-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for September 4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Concerning Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Re History and political dynamics in Navarre</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-July_2014" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#July_2014"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>July 2014</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-July_2014-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_18" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_18"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for July 18</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_18-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Spanish_People:_Muslim_Spain_vs_Middle_Ages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spanish_People:_Muslim_Spain_vs_Middle_Ages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Spanish People: Muslim Spain vs Middle Ages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Spanish_People:_Muslim_Spain_vs_Middle_Ages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for July 3</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>coat of arms of the successor state</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for September 19</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Latest intervention in Treviño enclave</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Chavacano / "del calle" -> "de la calle"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>ArbCom elections are now open!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Devoicing of final /d/ in Madrid</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Vibration" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Vibration"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Vibration</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Vibration-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>A few questions about Spanish pronouns</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Votación_sobre_mapas" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Votación_sobre_mapas"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Votación sobre mapas</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Votación_sobre_mapas-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Respecto a la página de los arabismos</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_help_desk_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_help_desk_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Your help desk question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Your_help_desk_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Zahira/Zaida" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Zahira/Zaida"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Zahira/Zaida</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Zahira/Zaida-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chavacano" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chavacano"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Chavacano</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Chavacano-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paella_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paella_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Paella</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Paella_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Voseo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Voseo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>Voseo</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Voseo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Linares_de_Mora" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Linares_de_Mora"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>Linares de Mora</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Linares_de_Mora-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>ArbCom 2017 election voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paella_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paella_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>Paella</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Paella_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>Edit warring in Crown of Aragon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Edit warring in Basque Country</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_August_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_August_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for August 3</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_August_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for September 4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tortilla" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tortilla"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Tortilla</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Tortilla-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>ArbCom 2018 election voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-There_is_a_controversial_user" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#There_is_a_controversial_user"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>There is a controversial user</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-There_is_a_controversial_user-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for June 29</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Torres_(surname)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Torres_(surname)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Torres (surname)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Torres_(surname)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Source_in_Hispanic_article." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Source_in_Hispanic_article."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Source in Hispanic article.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Source_in_Hispanic_article.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>ArbCom 2019 election voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-PDECAT" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#PDECAT"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>PDECAT</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-PDECAT-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for January 25</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Spaniard_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spaniard_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>Spaniard article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Spaniard_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Language" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Language"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>Language</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Language-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-February_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#February_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>February 2020</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-February_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>Español caribeño / Caribbean Spanish</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bullfighter" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bullfighter"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">81</span> <span>Bullfighter</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Bullfighter-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Koine" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Koine"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">82</span> <span>Koine</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Koine-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Undo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Undo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>Undo</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Undo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_12" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_12"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for September 12</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_12-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ambiguity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ambiguity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span>Ambiguity</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ambiguity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">86</span> <span>Terminology in Spanish verbs article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">87</span> <span>ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mudejar_art" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mudejar_art"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">88</span> <span>Mudejar art</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Mudejar_art-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"not_in_most"?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"not_in_most"?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">89</span> <span>"not in most"?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"not_in_most"?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disruptive_editing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disruptive_editing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">90</span> <span>Disruptive editing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disruptive_editing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">91</span> <span>Canary Islands §§ GDP statistics</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Spanish_language_infobox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spanish_language_infobox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">92</span> <span>Spanish language infobox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Spanish_language_infobox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-SADR_maps" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#SADR_maps"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">93</span> <span>SADR maps</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-SADR_maps-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">94</span> <span>ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-No_definite_article_for_Convivencia_in_original_Spanish_use_either.er" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#No_definite_article_for_Convivencia_in_original_Spanish_use_either.er"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">95</span> <span>No definite article for Convivencia in original Spanish use either.er</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-No_definite_article_for_Convivencia_in_original_Spanish_use_either.er-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">96</span> <span>Nomination of Plou, Aragon for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-June_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#June_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">97</span> <span>June 2022</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-June_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IPA" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IPA"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">98</span> <span>IPA</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-IPA-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2022_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2022_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">99</span> <span>ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2022_Elections_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Talk_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Talk_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">100</span> <span>Talk page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Talk_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hispanic_America" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hispanic_America"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">101</span> <span>Hispanic America</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Hispanic_America-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">102</span> <span>Disambiguation link notification for October 1</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">103</span> <span>ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span 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Jotamar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sclua-2008-01-12T12:55:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar"></span>Te escribo en castellano porque mi inglés es de first certificated, sólo sé hacerme entender(no es como el tuyo). Si sólo se puede escribir en inglés me borras lo que te diré ahora y ya veríamos donde hablar, si fuese el caso. </p><p>Alfonso el Casto fue soberano de Aragón con el título de rey y soberano de Barcelona (Cataluña)con el de conde, o sea, si sólo aceptas el sello de Alfonso (por cierto, de 1159 no hay ningún sello y en todo caso sería de Ramon Berenguer IV que murió en el 1162 <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senyera#Origin_and_History">[1]</a>) entonces el origen es aragonés-catalán no sólo aragonés. Lo que si que no existe es un documento de alguien que no sea conde de Barcelona y sea sólo rey de Aragón. Fatás, Montaner y Ubieto son "ultras". No es ningún insulto. Es como si estuvieses editando el articulo de la Guerra Civil con enlaces a textos de Blas Piñar. ¿Has leído de donde sale tu "papal flag" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Papal_States_%28pre_1808%29.svg">[2]</a>? Sale de aquí <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.allstates-flag.com/fotw/flags/va_hist.html#1808">[3]</a> Si lees todo lo que pone (Historical Overview) verás que en el siglo XI cuando lo de la "infeudación" esos colores no eran los del Papa. "Pre 1808" no quiere decir nada en el artículo. Me estoy extendiendo, voy a acabarlo. El único aragonés miembro de la Academia Internacional de Heráldica es Faustino Menéndez-Pidal, ¿has leído algo de él sobre el tema? Es obvio de que no ¿Sabes por qué considera que los palos son de Ramon Berenguer IV y los heredaron sus tres hijos varones? Pues porque Alfonso el casto dió sus armas a la villa de Milhau en 1177 (creo) y el sello más antiguo que se conserva de Milhau está basado en el sello de Ramon Berenguer no el de Alfonso que era diferente. Leélo tu mismo. Por cierto, si vieses los sellos de Alfonso (pregúntate por qué los esconden tus "amigos") verías que lo de que "clarísimamente se ven las barras aragonesas", nada de nada. También Pedro el católico tiene la mayoría de sus sello "borrados". Lo dejo aquí, se te ve buena persona, no como el ultra Escarlati, creo que podríamos llegar a un acuerdo aunque no será fácil. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sclua" title="User:Sclua">Sclua</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sclua" title="User talk:Sclua">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Sclua-2008-01-12T12:55:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sclua-2008-01-12T12:55:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sclua-2008-01-12T12:55:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sclua-2008-01-15T13:32:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar"></span>Hola, aquí nadie de nosotros está trabajando con documentación, no soy sólo yo. Por mi parte te digo que estoy en ello.</dd></dl> <ul><li>Lo de disputado es muy relativo, también hay quien disputa el holocausto nazi. Hay que ver quién lo disputa y con qué argumentos. Que en el sello de 1150 hay barras lo manifiestan los heraldistas Paul Adam-Even, Michel Pastoureau, Michel Popoff, Leon Jequier y Faustino Menéndez-Pidal entre otros. Por tu parte, dime algún heraldista o historiador con un mínimo de prestigio y que no sea aragonés que apoye las tesis de tu link. Hasta entonces los que niegan que haya barras allí es gente interesada, gente parcial y fanatizada como el amoral de Ubieto, Fatás/Redondo, Montaner...los de siempre. Ya que pones "the most common opinion" no te será difícil encontrar a alguien no nacionalista aragonés con un mínimo de prestigio porque si no es así te rogaría que dejases de poner esos comentarios.</li> <li>La palabra Aragón es equívoca, era el título principal del rey (Rey de Aragón), también era el nombre del Reino de Aragón, y más modernamente, a los territorios también se les llamó <i>de Aragón</i> (Corona de Aragón). Cuando en un armorial al escudo barrado se lo atribuyen al "Rey de Aragón" lo que están haciendo es atribuirlo al soberano que tiene como título principal ese nombre pero que también es soberano de Catalunya con el título de Conde de Barcelona. Por lo tanto, es falsificar la historia afirmar que cuando se le llama <i>Rey de Aragón</i> a lo que se refiere es que son armas del "Reino de Aragón", o sea, aragonesas, o sea, no catalanas, que es lo que hace tu enlace que has pegado. Por otra parte, tu enlace no sólo manipula esto sinó que además esconde todas las declaraciones de los propios reyes y reinas que niegan el origen aragonés de estas armas.</li> <li>Sobre las tumbas de Girona el problema no es si son del XI o del XII..., la cuestión es considerar que en la Edad Media había nacionalistas catalanes "robando" el orígen "aragonés" del señal. Esto es anacrónico. Quien pintó esa señal ahí tenía la autoridad para hacerlo y sabía a qué soberano atribuía esas armas, decir otra cosa es anacronismo.</li></ul> <p>Por lo tanto, el escudo de Catalunya es el barrado porque era el escudo de los soberanos de Catalunya, los condes de Barcelona, no por otra cosa y lo de "bars of Aragón" es más de lo mismo que ya te he comentado, a parte que habría que documentarlo. saludos --<a href="/wiki/User:Sclua" title="User:Sclua">Sclua</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sclua" title="User talk:Sclua">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Sclua-2008-01-15T13:32:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sclua-2008-01-15T13:32:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sclua-2008-01-15T13:32:00.000Z-Hola_Jotamar"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Olba_(ancient_city)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Olba_(ancient_city)-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z"><span id="Olba_.28ancient_city.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Olba_(ancient_city)-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Olba_(ancient_city)" title="Olba (ancient city)">Olba (ancient city)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Olba_(ancient_city)-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Olba (ancient city)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CorenSearchBot-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z-Olba_(ancient_city)"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="33" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>This is an automated message from <a href="/wiki/User:CorenSearchBot" title="User:CorenSearchBot">CorenSearchBot</a>. I have performed a web search with the contents of <a href="/wiki/Olba_(ancient_city)" title="Olba (ancient city)">Olba (ancient city)</a>, and it appears to be very similar to another wikipedia page: <a href="/wiki/Olba" class="mw-disambig" title="Olba">Olba</a>. It is possible that you have accidentally duplicated contents, or made an error while creating the page— you might want to look at the pages and see if that is the case. </p><p>This message was placed automatically, and it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coren" title="User talk:Coren">the maintainer's talk page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:CorenSearchBot" title="User:CorenSearchBot">CorenSearchBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CorenSearchBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CorenSearchBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-CorenSearchBot-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z-Olba_(ancient_city)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CorenSearchBot-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z-Olba_(ancient_city)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CorenSearchBot-2008-01-21T11:07:00.000Z-Olba_(ancient_city)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Re: Coat of arms of Catalonia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Re: Coat of arms of Catalonia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia"></span>No, I haven't abandoned it, I just had a night off from Wikipedia. I'm back now and I'll try to sort the dispute. <a href="/wiki/User:Dendodge" title="User:Dendodge"><b><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">George D. Watson</em></b> (Dendodge)</a>.<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dendodge" title="User talk:Dendodge">Talk</a></small><sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dendodge/Help&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dendodge/Help (page does not exist)">Help</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z-Re:_Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dendodge-2008-03-21T12:29:00.000Z-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z"></span>The vote's closed and I've outlined guidelines for a fair consensus if anybody wants to change it again. I'll close the MedCab case now. <a href="/wiki/User:Dendodge" title="User:Dendodge"><b><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">George D. Watson</em></b> (Dendodge)</a>.<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dendodge" title="User talk:Dendodge">Talk</a></small><sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dendodge/Help&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dendodge/Help (page does not exist)">Help</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Dendodge-2008-03-21T12:29:00.000Z-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dendodge-2008-03-21T12:29:00.000Z-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dendodge-2008-03-21T12:29:00.000Z-Dendodge-2008-03-19T18:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="POV_and_edit_warring" data-mw-thread-id="h-POV_and_edit_warring-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-POV_and_edit_warring-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z"></span>POV and edit warring<span data-mw-comment-end="h-POV_and_edit_warring-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: POV and edit warring"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span>I first reverted to your version <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia&diff=206984802&oldid=206928039">[4]</a> but then I noticed that Sclua's version was way less POV, even if it still has lots of problems with reliable sources <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia&diff=206987503&oldid=206984802">[5]</a>. </p><p>The version that you are putting up has a *lot* of problems, unfortunately I don't have time right now to explain all of them to you, so I'll have to tell you tomorrow --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z"></span>I don't have time to review Sclua's contributions and all the discussions, but I'll try to make today a framework for the article, and a rewrite of the lead --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-20T23:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-23T02:15:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z"></span>I made the framework, and I left a section for you to fill. It has some subsections following more or less the organization you had at your version --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-23T02:15:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-23T02:15:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2008-04-23T02:15:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2008-04-22T18:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-29T21:57:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span>According to the Real Academia: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=ojalá">http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=ojalá</a> In Spain we use the term in a variety of situations and there is no implication of something being unlikely to happen. Maybe you got that idea from Juan Luis Guerra's famous song "Ojalá que llueva café en el campo". :-) </p><p>As for Olé I still consider Olé with the tilde to be the correct way of writing the word. "Ole" is simply a phonetic derivation of the word much as Jose is a derivation of the name José. Both are correct? I guess... </p><p>Still, no reason to argue over such small things... </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Guzman_ramirez" title="User:Guzman ramirez">Guzman ramirez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guzman_ramirez" title="User talk:Guzman ramirez">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-29T21:57:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-29T21:57:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-29T21:57:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2008-04-30T10:04:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span>No reason to argue, but I still wonder where you're from. Even if you say "In Spain we use the term..." it's obvious that you don't have a <i>native</i> insight of the Spanish language. For example you don't know that <i>olé</i> does not exist in the spoken language. You should pay more attention to native speakers like me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2008-04-30T10:04:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2008-04-30T10:04:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2008-04-30T10:04:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-30T10:42:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span>I am Spanish "de pura cepa", Jotamar. You cannot deduce whether someone is Spanish over whether he thinks that olé or ole is the correct or original way of writing the word. If Spanish is <i>your</i> native tongue, you should know this, so I can only assume that either its not or you are acting in an excessively defensive way over this issue. I suspect the latter is the case. As for "Ojalá", take your discrepancies over the exact meaning of the word with the Real Academia, not with me! </p><p><br /> --<a href="/wiki/User:Guzman_ramirez" title="User:Guzman ramirez">Guzman ramirez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guzman_ramirez" title="User talk:Guzman ramirez">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-30T10:42:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-30T10:42:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guzman_ramirez-2008-04-30T10:42:00.000Z-POV_and_edit_warring"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z"></span>RFC on the conduct of a user you have been involved with<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: RFC on the conduct of a user you have been involved with"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with"></span>Please check <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sclua" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sclua">Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sclua</a> and feel free to comment there --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2008-07-05T18:00:00.000Z-RFC_on_the_conduct_of_a_user_you_have_been_involved_with"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB" data-mw-thread-id="h-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Castilian Spanish on DAB<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Castilian Spanish on DAB"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kman543210-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB"></span>Sorry that I didn't respond right away; I was going through some census data and trying to make sense of it (I have dial up). In regards to your question of why <a href="/wiki/Castilian_Spanish" title="Castilian Spanish">Castilian Spanish</a> should be on the <a href="/wiki/Spanish" class="mw-disambig" title="Spanish">Spanish</a> disambiguation page: well, you have a point that maybe it shouldn't. It's been there as long as I've been monitoring that page, but when you did your edit <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish&diff=236973625&oldid=235856474">[6]</a> and removed it the other day, you didn't put a reason or edit summary. I'll admit that it was a knee-jerk reaction that anytime someone deletes material without any explanation (unless obvious vandalism), sometimes I restore without putting as much thought into as I should have. I see that you just removed it again (don't worry, I shan't revert it), but you should probably put the reason in the edit summary next time, other than "editor doesn't respond" ;)<br /> I was thinking that maybe someone originally put it there because it has, in the past, been considered the "standard" by some people, but you're right that it doesn't need to be there if none of the other varieties aren't there. Thanks.<a href="/wiki/User:Kman543210" title="User:Kman543210">Kman543210</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kman543210" title="User talk:Kman543210">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Kman543210-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kman543210-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kman543210-2008-09-11T18:26:00.000Z-Castilian_Spanish_on_DAB"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paella" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paella-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paella-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z"></span>Paella<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paella-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Paella"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z-Paella"></span>I don't understand why you placed the dubious tag in the etymology section of <a href="/wiki/Paella" title="Paella">Paella</a>, especially since it's well cited. <a href="/wiki/User:Moby-Dick3000" title="User:Moby-Dick3000">Moby-Dick3000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moby-Dick3000" title="User talk:Moby-Dick3000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z-Paella" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z-Paella"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z-Paella"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T16:31:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z"></span>I included a citation showing an Indoeuropean root for <i>patella</i> in the etymology section. I also moved this conversation to the article's talk page. Please have a look. <a href="/wiki/User:Moby-Dick3000" title="User:Moby-Dick3000">Moby-Dick3000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moby-Dick3000" title="User talk:Moby-Dick3000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T16:31:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T16:31:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T16:31:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-06T14:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="New_etymology_changes" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_etymology_changes-Paella-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_etymology_changes-Paella-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z"></span>New etymology changes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_etymology_changes-Paella-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: New etymology changes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z-New_etymology_changes"></span>The changes you made look good to me. I don't intend to edit that section any further. <a href="/wiki/User:Moby-Dick3000" title="User:Moby-Dick3000">Moby-Dick3000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moby-Dick3000" title="User talk:Moby-Dick3000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z-New_etymology_changes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z-New_etymology_changes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-12T20:43:00.000Z-New_etymology_changes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Valencia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Valencia-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Valencia-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Valencia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Valencia-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Valencia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z-Valencia"></span>Why do you refer to Spain's Valencian region as the Spanish Autonomous Community of Valencia? My family is from Puerto Rico and yet I don't feel the need to refer to it in writing as the U.S. Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. I always refer to it simply as Puerto Rico, both in writing and conversation. <a href="/wiki/User:Moby-Dick3000" title="User:Moby-Dick3000">Moby-Dick3000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moby-Dick3000" title="User talk:Moby-Dick3000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z-Valencia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z-Valencia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z-Valencia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-23T20:54:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Paella#This_article_mentions_Valencia_too_often" title="Talk:Paella">Talk:Paella#This_article_mentions_Valencia_too_often</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Moby-Dick3000" title="User:Moby-Dick3000">Moby-Dick3000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moby-Dick3000" title="User talk:Moby-Dick3000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-23T20:54:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-23T20:54:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-23T20:54:00.000Z-Moby-Dick3000-2009-03-22T02:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="El_Clasico" data-mw-thread-id="h-El_Clasico-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-El_Clasico-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z"></span>El Clasico<span data-mw-comment-end="h-El_Clasico-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: El Clasico"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z-El_Clasico"></span>Please stop putting that lies in "El Clasico" article. Madrid is not "a francoist city" and Real Madrid does not represnt any "centralized state". I f you continue putting that views in the article, Ill think its personal. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Cid_Campeador" title="User:Cid Campeador">Cid Campeador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cid_Campeador" title="User talk:Cid Campeador">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cid_Campeador" title="Special:Contributions/Cid Campeador">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Cid_Campeador-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z-El_Clasico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z-El_Clasico"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-05-23T16:10:00.000Z-El_Clasico"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?" data-mw-thread-id="h-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z"><span id=".C2.BFCual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z"></span>¿Cual es tu problema con el Real Madrid?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: ¿Cual es tu problema con el Real Madrid?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"></span>Tienes algun tipo de problema con la ciudad de Madrid y con el Real Madrid en particular? Por que al no parar de poner que Madrid representa la idea de un estado "centralizado", y es el eje de las "fuerzas conservadoras centripetas", nos estamos empezando a plantear que eres excesivamente fanatico. Recuerda que la Wikipedia tiene que aportar una informacion neutral, no puede implicar subjetividad. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Cid_Campeador" title="User:Cid Campeador">Cid Campeador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cid_Campeador" title="User talk:Cid Campeador">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cid_Campeador" title="Special:Contributions/Cid Campeador">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Cid_Campeador-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-06-10T14:37:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"></span> </p><p><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spooki-2009-12-09T10:40:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"></span> Hola Jotamar. Considero que faltas al principio de neutralidad por el que aboga Wikipedia. Por tanto mientras continúes editando textos que falten a dicho principio no tendré ningún reparo en borrarlos. Ya veo que has tenido problemas anteriormente con este mismo tema. Un saludo. <a href="/wiki/User:Spooki" title="User:Spooki">Spooki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spooki" title="User talk:Spooki">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Spooki-2009-12-09T10:40:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spooki-2009-12-09T10:40:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spooki-2009-12-09T10:40:00.000Z-¿Cual_es_tu_problema_con_el_Real_Madrid?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?" data-mw-thread-id="h-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z"><span id=".C2.BFQuieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z"></span>¿Quieres acabar con esta guerra?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: ¿Quieres acabar con esta guerra?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?"></span>Quieres seguir la guerra de ediiones o paramos? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Cid_Campeador" title="User:Cid Campeador">Cid Campeador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cid_Campeador" title="User talk:Cid Campeador">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cid_Campeador" title="Special:Contributions/Cid Campeador">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Cid_Campeador-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cid_Campeador-2009-07-02T17:21:00.000Z-¿Quieres_acabar_con_esta_guerra?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mapa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mapa-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mapa-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z"></span>Mapa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mapa-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Mapa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CHV-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z-Mapa"></span>Sigo sin verlo del todo bien, pero hasta que encuentre una opción mejor lo dejo tal cual. Saludos. <a href="/wiki/User:CHV" title="User:CHV">CHV</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CHV" title="User talk:CHV">O mío Buzón de Correus</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-CHV-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z-Mapa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CHV-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z-Mapa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CHV-2009-07-13T20:41:00.000Z-Mapa"></span> </p><p><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_estremeñu-2009-08-17T02:31:00.000Z-Mapa"></span> Thanks!, for your help in the article <a href="/wiki/Cast%C3%BAo" title="Castúo">castúo</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:El_estreme%C3%B1u" title="User:El estremeñu">Der extremadurisch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:El_estreme%C3%B1u" title="User talk:El estremeñu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-El_estremeñu-2009-08-17T02:31:00.000Z-Mapa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)</a> 02:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_estremeñu-2009-08-17T02:31:00.000Z-Mapa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_estremeñu-2009-08-17T02:31:00.000Z-Mapa"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spain-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spain-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Spain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spain-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Spain"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Ogre-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z-Spain"></span>Sorry abou my revert Jotamar, you were quite right about the Iberians stuff, I just wanted to salvage the rest of the paragraph, and you ddi perfectly. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:The_Ogre" title="User:The Ogre">The Ogre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Ogre" title="User talk:The Ogre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-The_Ogre-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z-Spain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Ogre-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z-Spain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Ogre-2010-02-18T18:08:00.000Z-Spain"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="El_Clasico_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-El_Clasico_2-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-El_Clasico_2-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z"></span>El Clasico<span data-mw-comment-end="h-El_Clasico_2-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: El Clasico"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grsz11-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/25px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/38px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></a></span> You currently appear to be engaged in an <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_war" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit war">edit war</a></b>. Note that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a> prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a>. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">discuss controversial changes</a> to work towards wording and content that gains a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">dispute resolution</a>, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PP">page protection</a>. Please stop the disruption, otherwise <b>you may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a> from editing</b>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Grsz11" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Grsz11"><span style="color:black;">Grsz</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grsz11" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Grsz11"><b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b></a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Grsz11-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grsz11-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grsz11-2010-04-27T22:43:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grsz11-2010-04-29T18:13:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/25px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/38px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></a></span> You currently appear to be engaged in an <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_war" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit war">edit war</a></b>. Note that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a> prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a>. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">discuss controversial changes</a> to work towards wording and content that gains a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">dispute resolution</a>, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PP">page protection</a>. Please stop the disruption, otherwise <b>you may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a> from editing</b>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Grsz11" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Grsz11"><span style="color:black;">Grsz</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grsz11" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Grsz11"><b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b></a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Grsz11-2010-04-29T18:13:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 29 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grsz11-2010-04-29T18:13:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grsz11-2010-04-29T18:13:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"></span> </p><p><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"></span> The survey is 3 years old, how relevent can it still be? Also, don't make accusations you can't prove. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Grsz11" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Grsz11"><span style="color:black;">Grsz</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grsz11" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Grsz11"><b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b></a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z-El_Clasico_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2010-04-30T13:46:00.000Z-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z"></span>I must answer here because your talk page is kind of unstable. A 3-year-old survey is better than maybe 90% of Wikipedia sources. Sports team allegiances don't change overnight, and 3 years is quite reliable. But that is not the point. The point is, if you have other sources, add them, but <b>don't delete without consensus</b>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2010-04-30T13:46:00.000Z-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2010-04-30T13:46:00.000Z-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2010-04-30T13:46:00.000Z-Grsz11-2010-04-30T13:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aragon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aragon-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aragon-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z"></span>Aragon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aragon-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Aragon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jezhotwells-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z-Aragon"></span>I reverted your recent edit, Castilian is a perfectly correct term for the variety of español spoken in Castile, Aragon and Extremadura. –– <a href="/wiki/User:Jezhotwells" title="User:Jezhotwells">Jezhotwells</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jezhotwells" title="User talk:Jezhotwells">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jezhotwells-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z-Aragon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jezhotwells-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z-Aragon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jezhotwells-2010-06-29T00:54:00.000Z-Aragon"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Eonavian" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eonavian-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eonavian-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Eonavian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eonavian-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Eonavian"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Candalín-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z-Eonavian"></span>I note that his only contribution to this issue is to undo this page periodically, taking advantage of the controversial nature of the issue raised. <b>Can you respect the policies of WP or argue, at least, your opinions?</b> I remember the Eonavian is, to the natives of western Asturias, a great cultural interest and behavior like yours can only be described as vandalism, to trivialize this language, that sadly is disappearing by ideologic reasons and attitudes like yours. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Candal%C3%ADn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Candalín (page does not exist)">Candalín</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Candal%C3%ADn" title="User talk:Candalín">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Candal%C3%ADn" title="Special:Contributions/Candalín">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Candalín-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z-Eonavian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Candalín-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z-Eonavian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Candalín-2010-07-04T01:21:00.000Z-Eonavian"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America" class="mw-redirect" title="List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America">List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chzz-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America" class="mw-redirect" title="List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America">List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America</a> has been submitted to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">Articles for deletion</a> process. </p><p>As you were involved in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America">the previous deletion discussion for this article</a>, I thought I would inform you of the new discussion; </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of words having different meanings in Spain and Latin America (2nd nomination)</a></li></ul> <p>Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B"><a href="/wiki/User:Chzz" title="User:Chzz"><b><span style="background:#00008B;color:white"> Chzz </span></b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chzz" title="User talk:Chzz"><span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;"> ► </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Chzz-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chzz-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chzz-2010-07-06T14:20:00.000Z-List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_Spain_and_Latin_America"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z"></span>Your run in with Novaseminary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Your run in with Novaseminary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-12.7.82.66-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary"></span>I noticed that you have had some issues with Novaseminary. He is one of the most vicious, vindictive, destructive people in Wikipedia. Pretty much his entire interaction with others in Wikipedia is picking fights with and fighting with people. He is so vindictive that he stalks people he has had fights with. </p><p>What makes him so unusually destructive is the he is so expert at playing the Wikipedia game, and USING the Wikipedia system as a way of fighting, and disguising his fighting as legitimate Wikipedia work. He is expert at fooling Wikipedia administrators who do not have the time to do the through review and investigation. You probably had some flaw which he capitalized on </p><p>Novaseminary also hides his “rap sheet” by badgering everyone to never write him on his own talk page, and then continuously and immediately erasing everything written on there so that it would be a huge amount of work to review his history on how he relates to others, which is basically manipulating the Wikipedia system to have nothing but fight after fight after fight. Feel free to copy and use this to inform others when needed.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/12.7.82.66" title="Special:Contributions/12.7.82.66">12.7.82.66</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:12.7.82.66" title="User talk:12.7.82.66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-12.7.82.66-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-12.7.82.66-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-12.7.82.66-2010-07-15T15:01:00.000Z-Your_run_in_with_Novaseminary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="El_Clásico" data-mw-thread-id="h-El_Clásico-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z"><span id="El_Cl.C3.A1sico"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-El_Clásico-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z"></span>El Clásico<span data-mw-comment-end="h-El_Clásico-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: El Clásico"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z-El_Clásico"></span>The list of players you insert are not meeting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">WP:CITE</a> nor <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSFLAG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSFLAG">WP:MOSFLAG</a> and I have thus removed them. You can reinsert it when the flags are removed and the information properly cited. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sandman888&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sandman888 (page does not exist)">Sandman888</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandman888" title="User talk:Sandman888">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z-El_Clásico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z-El_Clásico"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z-El_Clásico"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandman888-2010-08-31T04:51:00.000Z-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z"></span>Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOCITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOCITE">WP:NOCITE</a>, "go back and remove the claim if no source is produced within a reasonable time." As such I believe I was correct in removing the list as it had been unsourced for quite a while. Furthermore I do not believe the list adds anything of use to the article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sandman888&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sandman888 (page does not exist)">Sandman888</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandman888" title="User talk:Sandman888">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Sandman888-2010-08-31T04:51:00.000Z-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandman888-2010-08-31T04:51:00.000Z-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandman888-2010-08-31T04:51:00.000Z-Sandman888-2010-08-30T22:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pepe_(1908–1931)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pepe_(1908–1931)-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z"><span id="Pepe_.281908.E2.80.931931.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pepe_(1908–1931)-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z"></span>Pepe (1908–1931)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pepe_(1908–1931)-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Pepe (1908–1931)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Loupeter-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Pepe_(1908–1931)"></span>Hello Jotamar. You are right my bot spread a mistake, I have corrected cawiki and enwiki in order to prevent any other bot will spread the same error. Bots are useful tools but may spread human mistakes. Regards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Loupeter" title="User:Loupeter">Loupeter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Loupeter" title="User talk:Loupeter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Loupeter-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Pepe_(1908–1931)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Loupeter-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Pepe_(1908–1931)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Loupeter-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Pepe_(1908–1931)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Calimero" data-mw-thread-id="h-Calimero-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Calimero-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Calimero<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Calimero-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Calimero"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z-Calimero"></span>Please stop adding trivia that has nothing to do with the subject of the article. <i><a href="/wiki/Calimero" title="Calimero">Calimero</a></i> is about an animated, however, the trivia you keep adding has nothing to do with the series. On top of that, you also keep adding unverifiable information against <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">Wikipeida's polices</a> after it has already been challenged and removed. Do not add this information back into the article until you can source its relevance to the article's subject. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z-Calimero" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z-Calimero"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z-Calimero"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z"></span>What relation does any of the trivia you added have to do with the subject of the article? And can that relation be sourced? If not, then it <b>MUST</b> be removed. Article content should be about the article's subject, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIINFO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIINFO">not a random collection of completely unrelated information</a>. Can you verify any connection of the trivia items to the animated series? —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Please stop adding in connections you see between the word's usage and the animated series without direct sourcing. This is a violation of Wikipeida's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">no original research</a> policies. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-17T18:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z"></span>How is any of that information relevant to the animated series? Remember that it is up to the edit, in this case you, who want to include the information to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROVEIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROVEIT">prove that it is relevant via reliable sources</a>. So far you have not show any such evidence. But instead of continuing the edit war, I'll give you one week to provide the evidence that the information has a connection to the subject of the article instead of random trivia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYN">attempting to make a connection where a connection doesn't explicitly exist</a>. I'll also point out that this information doesn't exist in any of the other versions of the article, making the likelihood that there is not connection very high. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <dl><dd>P.S. Following Wikipeida's policies and guildeines is not "bullying". Failure to comply with Wikipiedia's policies and guidelines will result in the loss of your editing privileges. I will ignore the "keep reverting your deletions for as many years as it takes" threat. However, it will be used as evidence against you if you continue to add this information back into the article without the proper sources showing its relevance to the article's subject. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 21 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-20T13:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z"></span>If you can't prove that information is connection to the article's subject, then ultimately the section will be deleted in accordance with Wikipeda's policies. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-21T17:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z"></span>None of the references prove such connections with the animated series. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-24T12:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:21:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z"></span>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> that directly states the connection with the animated series. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:21:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:21:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:21:00.000Z-TheFarix-2010-12-27T14:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paella_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paella_article-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paella_article-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z"></span>Paella article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paella_article-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Paella article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lechonero-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z-Paella_article"></span>I left you a message on the Paella talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Lechonero" title="User:Lechonero">Lechonero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lechonero" title="User talk:Lechonero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lechonero-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z-Paella_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lechonero-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z-Paella_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lechonero-2011-06-28T12:47:00.000Z-Paella_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Extremaduran" data-mw-thread-id="h-Extremaduran-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Extremaduran-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Extremaduran<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Extremaduran-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Extremaduran"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Slocum-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z-Extremaduran"></span>I'm not familiar with the topic and you may be right, but would you mind providing a source? It sounded like someone had just put their personal opinion in there. <a href="/wiki/User:John_Slocum" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Slocum">John Slocum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Slocum" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:John Slocum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-John_Slocum-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z-Extremaduran" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Slocum-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z-Extremaduran"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Slocum-2011-08-03T21:34:00.000Z-Extremaduran"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paella_Article_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paella_Article_2-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paella_Article_2-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z"></span>Paella Article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paella_Article_2-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Paella Article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z-Paella_Article_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" /></a></span> Please refrain from repeatedly undoing other people's edits. It appears you may be engaged in an <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_war" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit war">edit war</a></b>. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule (3RR)</a> prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_war" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit war">edit warring</a>, even if they do not technically violate the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a>. Rather than reverting, please discuss disputed changes on the talk page. Thank you. </p><p>Please see my most recent edit to <a href="/wiki/Paella" title="Paella">Paella</a>. You'll notice I kept some of the info I deleted earlier. <a href="/wiki/User:Lechonero" title="User:Lechonero">Lechonero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lechonero" title="User talk:Lechonero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z-Paella_Article_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z-Paella_Article_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z-Paella_Article_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/25px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/38px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></a></span> <b>Please stop reverting my edits</b>. You are <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_war" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit war">edit warring</a></b>. Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a> prohibits editors from making more than three reverts within 24 hours. As you can see in my comment above, I offered a compromise where I replaced some of the etymological information I deleted earlier. Contrary to your belief, I do not need any editor's permission to alter an article as long as I follow Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_Faith" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Good Faith">good faith</a> guidelines. You have now reverted both my original change and my compromised change. Keep in mind an administrator may block you even if you violate the spirit of the Wikipedia's three-revert rule without violating the letter of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Lechonero" title="User:Lechonero">Lechonero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lechonero" title="User talk:Lechonero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-25T14:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/25px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/38px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></a></span> <b>You have become a disruptive editor on the <a href="/wiki/Paella" title="Paella">Paella</a> article.</b> You have done this by repeatedly reverting my edits despite my efforts to compromise with you. Your dispruptive approach to editing has resulted in a page protection for this article. I no longer have any desire to communicate with you unless you're willing to negotiate a compromise with me. <a href="/wiki/User:Lechonero" title="User:Lechonero">Lechonero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lechonero" title="User talk:Lechonero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-26T17:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-31T12:01:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z"></span>I'm sure you know the Paella page has been protected. Are you willing offer a compromise of some sort? <a href="/wiki/User:Lechonero" title="User:Lechonero">Lechonero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lechonero" title="User talk:Lechonero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lechonero-2011-08-31T12:01:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lechonero-2011-08-31T12:01:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lechonero-2011-08-31T12:01:00.000Z-Lechonero-2011-08-29T16:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:ANI_Report" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:ANI_Report"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:ANI_Report"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> Report<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:ANI_Report"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: WP:ANI Report"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Jotamar_and_edit_warring" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI#Jotamar and edit warring</a>. Thank you. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Galician" data-mw-thread-id="h-Galician-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Galician-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Galician<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Galician-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Galician"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z-Galician"></span>Aunque me pides que me dirija en castellano, he estimado más correcto, exponer en castellano en tu página personal. </p><p>"Hola Jotamar. ¿La pregunta es doble, existe algún lingüista que afirme que el gallego-asturiano es una lengua asturleonesa? Yo estimo, como Dámaso Alonso señalaba, que una correcta exposición debería de aclarar que "la distinción dependerá de nuestra manera de apreciar y leer una serie de hechos lingüísticos", pero referidos a ambas regiones, al Eonavia y al resto del occidente asturiano. Entiendo que esta es la correcta exposición de esta teoría. Si no fuera así, parecería que la cuestión se circunscribe al Eonavia, y esto es un error, siendo, en mi opinión, una parcial e interesada exposición sobre esta teoría. </p><p>Por lo demás, como en toda cuestión de limites, la cuestión depende de donde pongamos el centro. En mi opinión, yo creo que esta teoría es errónea porque la región eonaviega y en General el oeste de Galicia como los Ancares, es precisamente el epicentro de las más importantes características de las lenguas galaico portuguesas, como son el sistema vocálico la falta de consonantes nasales, el vocalismo nasal (esencial en el galaico portugués y hoy sólo presente, aparte de Portugal en los Ancares y en el Eonavia), el sistema verbal, etc. Esto se nos muestra más evidente cuanto más miramos atrás en el tiempo en el origen de esta lengua. Es por tal razón por la que es tan importante el estudio de los documentos antiguos del Monasterio de Oscos, además de los monasterios más próximos como Lorenzana, Meira, etc." <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Candal%C3%ADn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Candalín (page does not exist)">Candalín</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Candal%C3%ADn" title="User talk:Candalín">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Candal%C3%ADn" title="Special:Contributions/Candalín">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z-Galician" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 7 November 2011 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z-Galician"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z-Galician"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2011-11-10T18:40:00.000Z-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Hola Candalín. Bueno, de entrada me parece detectar aquí una especie de <i>revanchismo</i>: como hay quien llama al Eo-Naviego <i>asturiano</i> y eso no me gusta, me desquito insinuando que el asturiano medio-occidental puede ser llamado <i>gallego</i>. De lo que dices queda claro que nadie afirma que en Cangas de Narcea se hable <i>gallego</i>, solo que hay continuidad dialectal.</dd> <dd>Respecto al texto de Alonso, lo que dice de los dialectos de Asturias y Galicia, que seguramente nadie niega, se puede decir de muchos otros sitios. Posiblemente has estudiado una versión de la lingüística en la que tal <i>cambio progresivo</i> se veía como una <i>rareza</i>, pero actualmente sabemos que eso, que técnicamente se llama <i>contínuum dialectal</i> no solo no es una rareza, sino que viene a ser precisamente <i>lo normal</i> en todo el mundo, por así decirlo.</dd> <dd>Por otro lado reconozco que hay que tener cuidado con poner la etiqueta de <i>transicional</i> a un dialecto, ya que en un continuo dialectal todos los dialectos son transicionales, incluyendo aquellos que se identifican comúnmente con una lengua estándar, como el dialecto de Palencia o el de Barcelona.</dd> <dd>En realidad el problema de fondo es que es difícil explicarle a la gente que el concepto de decir <i>esto es una lengua y no un dialecto</i> o al revés <i>esto es un dialecto y no una lengua</i> ya no tiene validez hoy en día. No hay ningún criterio objetivo suficientemente fiable como para diferenciar <i>lengua</i> y <i>dialecto</i>, y así lo reconocen una gran mayoría de los lingüistas.</dd> <dd>De lo que se trata en definitiva es de dar una información veraz e imparcial al usuario de Wikipedia, y eso es lo que me interesa a mí. Intentaré editar el artículo para reflejar todo esto lo mejor de lo que sea capaz.</dd> <dd>Una última cosa, por favor no incluyas traducciones como la de Dámaso Alonso sin dar también el texto original, o un enlace sencillo a él. Tener que arreglar un texto mal traducido sin realmente estar seguro de qué decía el original es una tarea muy penosa. Si necesitas ayuda con tu inglés, para eso estamos los demás editores. Y espero que no te ofendas por dar a entender que tu inglés deja un poco que desear. <a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2011-11-10T18:40:00.000Z-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 10 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2011-11-10T18:40:00.000Z-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2011-11-10T18:40:00.000Z-Candalín-2011-11-07T21:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Candalín-2011-11-18T22:13:00.000Z-Galician"></span>I recognize my english is bad, but, I'm sorry, your english is not very better than mine. </p><p>I will use short sentences to be more clear. </p><p>As you know, the first documents written in romance language in Asturias are on the 13th century. In those documents, you shall find the unsteady words and tipycal hesitations in the language which is forming. But, if in the rest of Asturias these hesitations are not differents than castellian, the notaries of Oscos use a perfect galician portuguese language. </p><p>Since of 14th century, 1300 year in forward, all the documents in the rest of asturian monasteries are in perfec castillian, however in Villanueva de Oscos, the notaries follow writing in galician portuguese language till 16th century. Then, <b>if in Middle Ages in Asturias there are not sign of «continuum» linguistic, ¿why, there should be today?</b> </p><p>I would like, that you pay attention <b>only five minutes and read the documents of the monastery of Cornellana published in Ridea by Floriano Cumbreño, where it says Cornellana I, 1948, n. 4, parchments since 12th century till,</b>. It is a whole set of documents since the XII century. If you read these documents, you will understand the big misrepresentation that there is today about this subject. </p><p>See, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ridea.org/node/499">http://ridea.org/node/499</a>. Introduce 4 in num. and Cornellana in título. </p><p>The continuum linguistic in Asturias is false because the origine of Galician portuguese language is different of castillian, leonesse and catalonian. If you read <b>Baldinger</b> and another authors, they explain very clearly like the galician portuguese language came from latin spoken on the south of Spain, specifically from Betica Roman Province, whilst the romanization in the rest of Asturias and Cantabria came from the Tarraconense. For that reason the aragonese language, Castillian and Catalonian in the middle ages are not very different languages. It is very easy finding the continuum (see Cantar mío Cid) and however there are not sign of continuum in Galician-portuguese languages with the other languages. </p><p>The language of Cancionero de Ajuda, Vaticano or Colocci Brancutti is a very complex language, very dificult to translate, even by the persons which speak today Gallician or portuguese. Today, there are many poems and gallician-portuguese phrases in which there are not consensus about his meaning. The continuum in the galician-portuguese languages are in the North to South and not West to East, in that sense, the eonavian is perfect example of this continuun. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Candal%C3%ADn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Candalín (page does not exist)">Candalín</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Candal%C3%ADn" title="User talk:Candalín">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Candal%C3%ADn" title="Special:Contributions/Candalín">contribs</a>) 22:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small> --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Candal%C3%ADn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Candalín (page does not exist)">Candalín</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Candal%C3%ADn" title="User talk:Candalín">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Candalín-2011-11-18T22:13:00.000Z-Galician" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Candalín-2011-11-18T22:13:00.000Z-Galician"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Candalín-2011-11-18T22:13:00.000Z-Galician"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Formal"_Spanish" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Formal"_Spanish-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z"><span id=".22Formal.22_Spanish"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Formal"_Spanish-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z"></span>"Formal" Spanish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Formal"_Spanish-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: "Formal" Spanish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z-"Formal"_Spanish"></span>It seems to me that your recent edits to <a href="/wiki/Spanish_orthography" title="Spanish orthography">Spanish orthography</a> are falsely specific. Can you explain to me how Spanish orthography isn't phonemic with informal Spanish and how an informal pronunciation of most words can be ambiguous given their written form? — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1" title="User talk:Aeusoes1"><small><sub>[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z-"Formal"_Spanish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z-"Formal"_Spanish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z-"Formal"_Spanish"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z"></span>I will answer in my own talk page, as I can see that you do the same. First, sorry about unreverting your edits in <a href="/wiki/Spanish_orthography" title="Spanish orthography">Spanish orthography</a>, I don't like reverting regular editors, but sometimes I feel it's the best thing to do.</dd> <dd>About the phonemic nature of the Spanish orthography, just ask yourself, if a phonemic writing (whichever one you liked) were imposed on English, your native language, do you think it would fit equally well formal and informal varieties of the language? And why should it be different for Spanish? For example, the Spanish expression <i>todo el día</i> is uttered in most or all informal varieties in Spain as roughly ['tol.'ði.a]. Tell me if you find that <i>phonemic</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T01:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z"></span>You are making or implying two claims. The first is that informal Spanish is different <i>phonemically</i> from formal Spanish. Your example of <i>todo el día</i> doesn't indicate this as ordered rules can lead from <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">/ˈtodo<span class="wrap"> </span>el<span class="wrap"> </span>ˈdia/</span> to <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[ˈtol<span class="wrap"> </span>ˈdia]</span>. In regards to your second claim, that the written language provides ambiguous pronunciations for informal varieties, even if <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[ˈtol<span class="wrap"> </span>ˈdia]</span> were different from formal Spanish phonemically, this pronunciation reflects sound changes that are regular enough that one can look at the spelling of the word and know how it is pronounced in a given variety. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1" title="User talk:Aeusoes1"><small><sub>[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T13:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z"></span>Do you think that the average user of Wikipedia will assume all those facts? I mean, underlying forms plus phonological rules that are different for each dialect, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T15:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T19:34:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Irrelevant. You're making a statement of fact. I've challenged it. You haven't backed it up yet. I'm sorry if I sound overly curt, but <a href="/wiki/Truthiness" title="Truthiness">truthiness</a> and thought experiment are not reliable sources. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1" title="User talk:Aeusoes1"><small><sub>[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T19:34:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T19:34:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2012-02-09T19:34:00.000Z-Jotamar-2012-02-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paella_article_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paella_article_3-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paella_article_3-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z"></span>Paella article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paella_article_3-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Paella article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lechonero-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z-Paella_article_3"></span>Are you willing to compromise with me or are you determined to continue this edit war? <a href="/wiki/User:Lechonero" title="User:Lechonero">Lechonero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lechonero" title="User talk:Lechonero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lechonero-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z-Paella_article_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lechonero-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z-Paella_article_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lechonero-2012-05-15T12:07:00.000Z-Paella_article_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_warring_on_paella" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_warring_on_paella-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_warring_on_paella-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z"></span>Edit warring on <a href="/wiki/Paella" title="Paella">paella</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_warring_on_paella-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Edit warring on paella"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stemonitis-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_paella"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/30px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/45px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445" /></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> You currently appear to be engaged in an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit war</a> according to the reverts you have made on <a href="/wiki/Paella" title="Paella">paella</a>. Users are expected to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TALKDONTREVERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALKDONTREVERT">collaborate</a> with others, to avoid editing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptively</a>, and to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">try to reach a consensus</a> rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.<br /> </p><p>Please be particularly aware, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">Wikipedia's policy on edit warring</a> states: </p> <ol><li><b>Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made</b>; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.</li> <li><b>Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.</b></li></ol> <p>If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">talk page</a> to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> among editors. You can post a request for help at an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Noticeboards" title="Wikipedia:Noticeboards">appropriate noticeboard</a> or seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">dispute resolution</a>. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy" title="Wikipedia:Protection policy">page protection</a>. If you engage in an edit war, you <b>may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a> from editing.</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Stemonitis" title="User:Stemonitis">Stemonitis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stemonitis" title="User talk:Stemonitis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Stemonitis-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_paella" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 22 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stemonitis-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_paella"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stemonitis-2012-05-22T16:59:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_paella"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="unreferenced_towns" data-mw-thread-id="h-unreferenced_towns-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unreferenced_towns-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z"></span>unreferenced towns<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unreferenced_towns-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: unreferenced towns"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lockley-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z-unreferenced_towns"></span>Hi Jotamar -- to answer your question, there is no bad feeling or threat attached to my marking of those Spanish towns as unreferenced. I'm personally unlikely to delete any such articles that seem credible. I'm simply pointing out that references are needed. all best --<a href="/wiki/User:Lockley" title="User:Lockley">Lockley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lockley" title="User talk:Lockley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Lockley-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z-unreferenced_towns" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lockley-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z-unreferenced_towns"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lockley-2012-08-23T17:33:00.000Z-unreferenced_towns"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Edit warring on <a href="/wiki/Catalan_language" title="Catalan language">Catalan language</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Edit warring on Catalan language"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CodeCat-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language"></span>Please mind <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">WP:3RR</a>, you've already reverted the same information three times now. <a href="/wiki/User:CodeCat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CodeCat">CodeCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CodeCat" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CodeCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-CodeCat-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CodeCat-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CodeCat-2012-09-03T19:10:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_Catalan_language"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Valencian-centric_theories_???" data-mw-thread-id="h-Valencian-centric_theories_???-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z"><span id="Valencian-centric_theories_.3F.3F.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Valencian-centric_theories_???-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z"></span>Valencian-centric theories ???<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Valencian-centric_theories_???-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Valencian-centric theories ???"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jomarov-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z-Valencian-centric_theories_???"></span>Hi, you have included a lot of non-scientific information. </p> <ul><li>The languaje spoken in Valencia before Jaume I was the Mozarabic language, not the Provençal language (Provençal is a dialect of OCCITAN and please look at a map). Then, the phrase "the theory of a local/native Provençal language spoken by the people in Valencia before Jaume I conquered it became the stronger theory" HAS NO SENSE, as you will notice this defeats the whole section and nucleus of argumentations.</li></ul> <ul><li>THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC evidences of PROVENÇAL language in Valencia BEFORE the Christian conquest. Moors do not spoke Provençal, the Provençal language is not included into Arabic culture in any way. The "reconquest" (note the quotes) was a process of many-many years with long periods of peace, contact and collaboration between Moors and Christians was very usual (proved). Due this, it is possible that the Mozarabic language in Valencia was influenced by contact with Catalan language and other romanic languages in the vicinity (Catalan language is influenced by Provençal-Occitan), but evidently also in this case the Valencian continues being a variety of Catalan as long as it retains the Catalan structure, and this common structure is scientifically proved until today.</li></ul> <ul><li>The text included contains mixed concepts belonging to various matters, it is confusing to reader, please clarify nature and connections, you are WALKING ON THIN ICE, sources are doubtful, Ubieto (RIP) was in fact a "blavero", this means "not neutral".</li></ul> <ul><li>The whole section is contaminated with concepts of blaverism (please consult the blaverism page), blaverism it is a belief and a political attitude. The Blaverism has the attitude oriented to elaborate an "history" with a concrete intention (similar to catalanism and other ism's), history means facts not intentions, and linguistic is SCIENCE, not politics.</li></ul> <ul><li>The Catalan Language Page is a scientific page on linguistics, not a theories page, I think would be better include this section on the Blaverism Page (in fact, if you include this section, the blaverism page will be "complete", perhaps the main difference is they consider the Valencian a variation more from Mozarabic than from Provençal). An alternate option is to create a new page entitled "bizarre theories about the catalan language", and leave space to include theories about "mallorquin", "menorquin", "ibicenco", "formenterense", "cabrerense", "oriental aragonese", "tortosense", and "joromovesense" (my dialect combined with russian language) ... do you understand the meaning?</li></ul> <p>If you wants to left this section "as is" for my no problem, I do not want waste my time again, I do nothing, but I just advise you are contaminating an EXCELLENT page in english that uses a lot of people IN THE WORLD interested on Catalan with inaccurate information, this degrades Wikipedia and the Catalan language. Others also have deleted this section, I think for same reasons. I would suggest you must have a scientific attitude on Wikipedia... and, yes, I NEED TO IMPROVE my English. Thanks for reading.<a href="/wiki/User:Jomarov" title="User:Jomarov">Jomarov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jomarov" title="User talk:Jomarov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jomarov-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z-Valencian-centric_theories_???" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jomarov-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z-Valencian-centric_theories_???"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jomarov-2012-09-03T23:55:00.000Z-Valencian-centric_theories_???"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile" data-mw-thread-id="h-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z"></span>need outside opinions in <a href="/wiki/Crown_of_Castile" title="Crown of Castile">Crown of Castile</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: need outside opinions in Crown of Castile"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile"></span>I have asked for outside opinions in <a href="/wiki/Crown_of_Castile" title="Crown of Castile">Crown of Castile</a>, the question is <a href="/wiki/Talk:Crown_of_Castile#RfC:_Did_the_the_Crown_of_Castile_end_in_1812_or_in_1715" title="Talk:Crown of Castile">Did the the Crown of Castile end in 1812 or in 1715</a>? I am notifying you because you have made non-trivial edits to the article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z-need_outside_opinions_in_Crown_of_Castile"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2012-12-03T12:00:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z"></span>I made <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#topic_ban_for_User:Santos30" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">a topic ban proposal</a>, but it's getting very little input from the community. Apparently, people are not commenting because they are not familiar with the topic. Can you leave a comment there? --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2012-12-03T12:00:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2012-12-03T12:00:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2012-12-03T12:00:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2012-11-12T12:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Influences_on_the_Spanish_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Influences_on_the_Spanish_language" title="Influences on the Spanish language">Influences on the Spanish language</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Influences on the Spanish language"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sminthopsis84-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language"></span>Hi, I hope you don't mind that I've made a major reversion of this page, as is discussed on its talk page, which includes backing out some edits that you made. It looked to me as if you were patiently trying to correct the problems that some of us have concluded are part of a larger sock-puppet problem that warranted more drastic action. If there is some work that you did that you think should be salvaged (sorry, I don't have stamina enough to read the whole history in enough detail), please let me know if I can help. Best wishes, <a href="/wiki/User:Sminthopsis84" title="User:Sminthopsis84">Sminthopsis84</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sminthopsis84" title="User talk:Sminthopsis84">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Sminthopsis84-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sminthopsis84-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sminthopsis84-2012-12-07T00:51:00.000Z-Influences_on_the_Spanish_language"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deberíamos_parar_esto" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deberíamos_parar_esto-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z"><span id="Deber.C3.ADamos_parar_esto"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deberíamos_parar_esto-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z"></span>Deberíamos parar esto<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deberíamos_parar_esto-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Deberíamos parar esto"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Astur-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z-Deberíamos_parar_esto"></span>Sólo digo que estoy a favor de como está ahora el artículo. En ningún caso se menosprecia o algo parecido, al leonés. El leonés tiene un buen artículo y así debe ser. Pero los cambios que estás quitando, están contrastados, y esto empieza a ser una locura. Explícame bien tu postura, porque creo que podemos matizar el artículo y dejarlo como debe estar. Un saludo --<a href="/wiki/User:Astur" title="User:Astur">Astur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Astur" title="User talk:Astur">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Astur-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z-Deberíamos_parar_esto" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Astur-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z-Deberíamos_parar_esto"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Astur-2013-03-20T17:54:00.000Z-Deberíamos_parar_esto"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citation_needed_in_Navarre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citation_needed_in_Navarre-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citation_needed_in_Navarre-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z"></span>Citation needed in Navarre<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citation_needed_in_Navarre-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Citation needed in Navarre"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z-Citation_needed_in_Navarre"></span>Hi Jotamar, I'm going to use English language since that's where the article belongs. I have just realized that you added a citation needed tag to the phrase stating that <a href="/wiki/Navarre#Cultural_heritage_Navarre" title="Navarre">Navarre</a> was a territory inhabited by the Vascones in Roman times. I was about to delete the citation tag out of hand, deeming it just disruptive, one more of the so many meaning to disrupt the contribution spirits of the wikipedia, specially on certain subjects. </p><p>Then I realized it had been you who added it, I hold you for a reasonable person with whom one can compromise and I'm not going to hide my surprise, what's the point of that citation requirement where you add "Only the Vascones?" as a reason for demanding citation. This is a widely held fact by historians and widely known one to whomever knows something of regional history. So I was wondering, do you mean you have any lead that points to the contrary? Please refrain from demanding gratuitous requirements. If you have anything that suggest on good grounds that a statement doesn´t hold water, add whatever relevant, preferably with a reference, instead of putting the burden of the work on others. Regards <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z-Citation_needed_in_Navarre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z-Citation_needed_in_Navarre"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2013-04-02T04:07:00.000Z-Citation_needed_in_Navarre"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for September 4<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for September 4"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4"></span>Hi. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DPL_bot-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2013-09-04T12:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_4"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula" data-mw-thread-id="h-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z"></span>Concerning <a href="/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula" title="Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula">Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Concerning Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snow_Rise-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula"></span>While we were focused on the discussion on the Canary Islands, it seems we missed the fact that Approck has been busy deleting still other sources and content from the article, I've reverted the last three of these as I found his arguments compelling and, to my perspective, it seems pretty obvious he has never abandoned his effort to delete the article via incremental edits, since his efforts to have it merged were so completely and overwhelmingly rebuffed. I've stated my reasons for the reversions on the talk page and, as I'm done with this repetitive scenario, advised him that the next such move without attempts at discussion will be met with a request for intervention at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>. If you would please, in the event that you observe more of this behaviour, leave a message on my talk page or ping me on the article's talk page, just in case I miss any more untoward alterations on the watchlist? It seems to me he waited just long enough for far fewer eyes to be on the page just to pick up where he left off. <a href="/wiki/User:Snow_Rise" title="User:Snow Rise">Snow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snow_Rise" title="User talk:Snow Rise">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Snow_Rise-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snow_Rise-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snow_Rise-2014-04-29T05:07:00.000Z-Concerning_Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z"></span>Re History and political dynamics in <a href="/wiki/Navarre" title="Navarre">Navarre</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Re History and political dynamics in Navarre"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre"></span>Bravo! I don´t know what your specialization is, sure this is not, you don´t seem to have, or don´t show it at least. Your contribution to the modern and old History of Navarre is messy and not lacking in errors and inaccuracies. I saw also your revert of the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Navarre#Present-day_politics" title="Talk:Navarre">template</a>, do pinpoint exact problems to the section, the template is only adding confusion, it come across as disruptive. </p><p>No verification has been added here, nor in other articles I happened to see you edits, but you keep raising "neutrality" claims. You did not even mention the watershed military conquest of Navarre 1512-1524 ("absorbed") or even the Basques (the <i>Navarri</i>), well done for your neutrality and your help! In addition, you are expanding a section that is redundant, since most of it is in the <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_Navarre" title="Kingdom of Navarre">Kingdom of Navarre</a>. This does look indeed like a personal elaboration. Thanks for stopping meddling on topics you do seem to have an opinion, but not a grasp. (You were even considering removing verified information, very inclusive and supportive of knowledge, indeed!) <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z-Re_History_and_political_dynamics_in_Navarre"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z"></span>You have an ongoing discussion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Navarre.23Present-day_politics" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard">here</a> <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)</a>o<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-05-23T22:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-30T23:11:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z"></span>You may add your take on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jotamar" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jotamar">Request for comment</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-30T23:11:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-30T23:11:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-30T23:11:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2014-06-04T22:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="July_2014" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_2014-2014-07-17T22:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_2014-2014-07-17T22:54:00.000Z"></span>July 2014<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_2014-2014-07-17T22:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: July 2014"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BracketBot-2014-07-17T22:54:00.000Z-July_2014"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" /></span></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:BracketBot" title="User:BracketBot">BracketBot</a>. 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The fact that you repeatedly deleted the "Muslim Spain or Al-Andalus" and repeatedly again replace it with "Middle-Ages" is an attempt to try and make it go unnoticed in Spain's/Spanish people's history. From today's political and cultural meaning, one can understand your position. However, Wikipedia is supposed to be a FACTUAL source of information and education, not a biased, politically, culturally or racially partial medium. Therefore I ask you respectfully to stop removing "Muslim" out of the Middle Ages as the Arabs occupied Spain as you and I know for even past the Middle-Ages period. To try and deny that, is being both untruth and unethical. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DPL_bot-2015-07-03T09:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2015-07-03T09:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2015-07-03T09:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state" data-mw-thread-id="h-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z"></span>coat of arms of the successor state<span data-mw-comment-end="h-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: coat of arms of the successor state"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state"></span>I uncommented a coat of arms in <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_Aragon" title="Kingdom of Aragon">Kingdom of Aragon</a>. Please check carefully before reverting. I think it's uncontroversial that the CROWN of Aragon had that coat of arms. It doesn't say anything about the coat of arms of the KINGDOM. --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z-coat_of_arms_of_the_successor_state"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric_Naval-2015-10-04T17:40:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Please check <a href="/wiki/Talk:Kingdom_of_Aragon#Image_for_the_Crown" title="Talk:Kingdom of Aragon">Talk:Kingdom_of_Aragon#Image_for_the_Crown</a> (it's at the end of "wrong flag"). Please give arguments of why the image is not adequate <i>as the image of the succesor state</i>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Enric_Naval-2015-10-04T17:40:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric_Naval-2015-10-04T17:40:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric_Naval-2015-10-04T17:40:00.000Z-Enric_Naval-2015-09-18T11:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for September 19<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for September 19"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19"></span>Hi. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DPL_bot-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2015-09-19T16:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_September_19"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave" data-mw-thread-id="h-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z"><span id="Latest_intervention_in_Trevi.C3.B1o_enclave"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z"></span>Latest intervention in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trevi%C3%B1o_enclave&action=history">Treviño enclave</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Latest intervention in Treviño enclave"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave"></span>Hi, I am writing this to let you know that I find your latest requirement of verifiability, which is always welcome as a general rule, not to be out of honest concern for the content, but as a last of a series to obstruct relevant and accurate content <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JDLI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JDLI">you do not like</a> from entering the WP, as the edit records (and previous interventions) show, insisting on adding for one non-existent claims to source and using defiant explanation lines. I should ask to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Enclave_of_Trevi%C3%B1o" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Enclave of Treviño">work on consensus</a>, content and attention to detail, and not to use WP policies as a way to take on others. Basque language in Treviño is subject to the Castilian language policy, so mentioning it is fully relevant and provides the reader with important information to gain insight into the matter. <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z-Latest_intervention_in_Treviño_enclave"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-25T21:23:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z"></span>As per <a href="/wiki/Talk:Trevi%C3%B1o_enclave" title="Talk:Treviño enclave">this discussion</a> and others before, I suggest you remove the '<b>inclusionist'</b> <b>label</b> on your personal page, you are refusing to build consensus and discuss the details, straightforward details, the basic part for reaching a compromise. As far as my experience goes, your editing here and some other times falls in the category of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive editing</a>. There should not be any problem to reach consensus here, but you insist on litigating. I urge you to add relevant/accurate information and help building the article. <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-25T21:23:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 25 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-25T21:23:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-25T21:23:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2015-09-20T22:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z"><span id="Chavacano_.2F_.22del_calle.22_-.3E_.22de_la_calle.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z"></span>Chavacano / "del calle" -> "de la calle"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Chavacano / "del calle" -> "de la calle""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IsmaelLuceno-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle""></span>Why the revert, isn't it the right expression in Spanish? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:IsmaelLuceno" title="User:IsmaelLuceno">IsmaelLuceno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IsmaelLuceno" title="User talk:IsmaelLuceno">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IsmaelLuceno" title="Special:Contributions/IsmaelLuceno">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-IsmaelLuceno-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IsmaelLuceno-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IsmaelLuceno-2015-11-15T01:12:00.000Z-Chavacano_/_"del_calle"_->_"de_la_calle""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z"><span id="ArbCom_elections_are_now_open.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2015" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2015">ArbCom elections are now open!</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: ArbCom elections are now open!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!"></span>Hi,<br /> You appear to be eligible to vote in the current <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2015" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2015">Arbitration Committee election</a>. 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For the Election committee, <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2015-11-23T13:41:00.000Z-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid" data-mw-thread-id="h-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z"><span id="Devoicing_of_final_.2Fd.2F_in_Madrid"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z"></span>Devoicing of final /d/ in Madrid<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Devoicing of final /d/ in Madrid"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid"></span>Hello. What's inaccurate in saying that final <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">/d/</span> in Madrid is realized as <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[θ]</span>? That's the stereotypical realization. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter238" title="User:Peter238">Peter238</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter238" title="User talk:Peter238">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z-Devoicing_of_final_/d/_in_Madrid"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter238-2016-01-20T20:01:00.000Z-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z"></span>Ok, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter238" title="User:Peter238">Peter238</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter238" title="User talk:Peter238">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Peter238-2016-01-20T20:01:00.000Z-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter238-2016-01-20T20:01:00.000Z-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter238-2016-01-20T20:01:00.000Z-Peter238-2016-01-20T19:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vibration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vibration-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vibration-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span>Vibration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vibration-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Vibration"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter238-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z-Vibration"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Voiceless_uvular_raised_non-sonorant_trill" class="mw-redirect" title="Voiceless uvular raised non-sonorant trill">voiceless uvular raised non-sonorant trill</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter238" title="User:Peter238">Peter238</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter238" title="User talk:Peter238">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Peter238-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z-Vibration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter238-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z-Vibration"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter238-2016-02-08T18:03:00.000Z-Vibration"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z"></span>A few questions about Spanish pronouns<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: A few questions about Spanish pronouns"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns"></span>I'd like to make some additions to <a href="/wiki/Spanish_pronouns" title="Spanish pronouns">Spanish pronouns</a>, but since the following things were never made clear to me in the 6 years I took Spanish in school, I figured I should ask you first before I add them to the article: </p> <ol><li>I know that <i>se</i> replaces <i>le</i> or <i>les</i> before non-reflexive third-person direct object pronouns, but what do you do when <i>se</i> as such really is the indirect object? Do you disambiguate it with <i>a sí</i> or <i>para sí</i> and thus get things like <i>Se lo hizo a sí</i> and <i>Se lo mantenía para sí</i>?</li> <li>When you have multiple direct or indirect object pronouns, do you have to repeat the verb every time a new one is used? Thus, is it <i>Me y te gusta</i> or <i>Me gusta y te gusta</i>?</li> <li>I know that emphasis is placed on personal direct object pronouns by repeating them with personal <i>a</i> and putting the <i>a</i> + disjunctive construction wherever you want to place emphasis: <i>Me ama a mí</i>, <i>Te necesito a ti</i>, etc. But do you use <i>a</i> when placing emphasis on non-personal direct object pronouns, and if not, do you just use the disjunctive form? Thus, is it <i>Se los di ellos a él</i>?</li> <li>I know that in perfect infinitives, pronouns get added to <i>haber</i>: <i>haberme visto</i>, <i>habértelos dado</i>, etc. Does the same rule apply to <i>ser</i> in passive infinitives when used with indirect object pronouns? Thus, is it <i>sernos dado</i>, <i>serme guardado</i>, and, if you want to get really fancy, <i>haberte sido mostrado</i>, etc.?</li> <li>I found <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/deisenbe/readsp/Lesson_14_-_Verb_Object_Pronouns.htm">a site</a> that says that in formal writing and oratory, object pronouns can be added as enclitics to pretty much any verb form you want to attach them to: thus, to use the examples that the site uses, <i>propúseme</i>, <i>siéntese</i>, etc. Is that true? If so: <dl><dd>a) Do the normal rules for encliticization apply (i.e. verb-final "-s" drops before <i>nos</i> and <i>se</i> (thus <i>Tú dánoslo</i>, <i>Nosotros dámoselo</i>, etc.) and I'm guessing verb-final "‑n" drops before <i>nos</i> as well (thus <i>Ellos dánoslo</i>, <i>Ellas viéronos</i>, etc.))?</dd> <dd>b) In compound tenses, what do the enclitics attach to? Do you say <i>Helo visto</i> or <i>He vístolo</i>, <i>Fueme dado</i> or <i>Fue dádome</i>, etc.?</dd></dl></li></ol> <p>Thanks in advance for all your help. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Esszet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Esszet (page does not exist)">Esszet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Esszet" title="User talk:Esszet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 12 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z-A_few_questions_about_Spanish_pronouns"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esszet-2016-03-19T14:38:00.000Z-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z"></span>Sorry for the very long delay, I wasn't feeling well for quite a while. I just added to the article a lot of what I wanted to add; look it over, and I'll be making a few more edits in the next day or two. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Esszet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Esszet (page does not exist)">Esszet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Esszet" title="User talk:Esszet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Esszet-2016-03-19T14:38:00.000Z-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esszet-2016-03-19T14:38:00.000Z-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esszet-2016-03-19T14:38:00.000Z-Esszet-2016-02-12T23:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Votación_sobre_mapas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Votación_sobre_mapas-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z"><span id="Votaci.C3.B3n_sobre_mapas"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Votación_sobre_mapas-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span>Votación sobre mapas<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Votación_sobre_mapas-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Votación sobre mapas"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Satesclop-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z-Votación_sobre_mapas"></span>Buenas, compañero. </p><p>Te solicito que votes en la discusión de los artículos de <a href="/wiki/Talk:Basque_Country_(autonomous_community)" title="Talk:Basque Country (autonomous community)">Basque Country (autonomous community)</a> y <a href="/wiki/Talk:Valencian_Community" title="Talk:Valencian Community">Valencian Community</a> para elegir el mapa localizador de ambas comunidades autónomas, apoyando el <a href="/wiki/File:Localizaci%C3%B3n_del_Pa%C3%ADs_Vasco.svg" title="File:Localización del País Vasco.svg">tipo standar para todas las regiones del país</a>. Algunos usuarios nacionalistas o abiertamente independentistas quieren añadir un mapa sesgado en el que no aparece todo el país (en el caso de Euskadi) o que aparece como si fuese una nación de la Unión Europea (en el caso de la Comunidad Valenciana). Esto es inadmisible. </p><p>Te pido que añadas "support" y tu firma en la opción <b>Satesclop's red map</b>. Mil gracias por adelantado. <a href="/wiki/User:Satesclop" title="User:Satesclop"><i><b>Satesclop</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Satesclop-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z-Votación_sobre_mapas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 15 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Satesclop-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z-Votación_sobre_mapas"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Satesclop-2016-02-15T03:37:00.000Z-Votación_sobre_mapas"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z"><span id="Respecto_a_la_p.C3.A1gina_de_los_arabismos"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z"></span>Respecto a la página de los arabismos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Respecto a la página de los arabismos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilah1981-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos"></span>Jotamar he venido a tu pagina a que comentaramos lo de la localización del orígen del castellano puesto que llevamos unos meses peleandonos por este tema. Al principio iba a discrepar pero creo que ya entiendo tu posición. Lo único es que ahora está bastante mal escrito y el párrafo no fluye bien. Trataré de cambiar el párrafo entero para que también refleje lo que estas diciendo sin confundir al lector. </p><p>Un saludo <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Asilah1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Asilah1981 (page does not exist)">Asilah1981</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilah1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Asilah1981 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Asilah1981-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilah1981-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilah1981-2016-03-21T21:22:00.000Z-Respecto_a_la_página_de_los_arabismos"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_help_desk_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_help_desk_question-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_help_desk_question-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z"></span>Your help desk question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_help_desk_question-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Your help desk question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vchimpanzee-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z-Your_help_desk_question"></span>You have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2016_May_6#Page_history_blanked_by_turning_into_a_redirect">responses</a>.— <a href="/wiki/User:Vchimpanzee" title="User:Vchimpanzee"><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vchimpanzee" title="User talk:Vchimpanzee"><span style="color:#FA0"> talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee" title="Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee"><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Vchimpanzee-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z-Your_help_desk_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vchimpanzee-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z-Your_help_desk_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vchimpanzee-2016-05-12T21:03:00.000Z-Your_help_desk_question"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Zahira/Zaida" data-mw-thread-id="h-Zahira/Zaida-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z"><span id="Zahira.2FZaida"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Zahira/Zaida-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z"></span>Zahira/Zaida<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Zahira/Zaida-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Zahira/Zaida"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilah1981-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z-Zahira/Zaida"></span>Just out of curiosity, log on to facebook and look up people called Zahira/Zaida Pérez or Garcia. You will be surprised.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Asilah1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Asilah1981 (page does not exist)">Asilah1981</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilah1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Asilah1981 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Asilah1981-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z-Zahira/Zaida" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilah1981-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z-Zahira/Zaida"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilah1981-2016-07-16T12:27:00.000Z-Zahira/Zaida"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chavacano" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chavacano-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chavacano-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z"></span>Chavacano<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chavacano-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: Chavacano"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kuhitkuhit-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z-Chavacano"></span>Why was this removed? What fact do you have that would justify you to delete this? It is a fact that the word "chavacano" is not a Spanish word". You can check any spanish dictionary and the word does not exist. </p> <hr /> <p>"The word Chavacano is not a spanish word. The people of Zamboanga "coined" the word. The people of Zambaonga, being a proud bunch of people, who just helped the spaniards build the fort (June 23, 1635) and in the process developed the dialect, wanted to "own" this unique new language and hence baptized it as CHAVACANO. The word chabacano was derogatory. The people of Zamboanga were proud of their new language, the language of Chavacano." <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kuhitkuhit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kuhitkuhit (page does not exist)">Kuhitkuhit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuhitkuhit#top" title="User talk:Kuhitkuhit">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kuhitkuhit" title="Special:Contributions/Kuhitkuhit">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Kuhitkuhit-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z-Chavacano" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 12 February 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuhitkuhit-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z-Chavacano"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kuhitkuhit-2017-02-12T02:02:00.000Z-Chavacano"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z"><span id="ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2016">ArbCom Elections 2016</a>: Voting now open!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello, Jotamar. 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I sharply disagree that the sources are dubious. We need to discuss to prevent an edit war. <a href="/wiki/User:Moby-Dick4000" title="User:Moby-Dick4000">Moby-Dick4000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moby-Dick4000" title="User talk:Moby-Dick4000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moby-Dick4000-2017-04-26T20:54:00.000Z-Paella_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moby-Dick4000-2017-04-26T20:54:00.000Z-Paella_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moby-Dick4000-2017-04-26T20:54:00.000Z-Paella_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voseo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voseo-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Voseo-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span>Voseo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Voseo-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Voseo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deisenbe-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z-Voseo"></span>Pusiste "It has been claimed that". Eso implica duda, que hay más de un punto de vista. ¿Qué es dudoso en este párrafo? <a href="/wiki/User:Deisenbe" title="User:Deisenbe">deisenbe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deisenbe" title="User talk:Deisenbe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Deisenbe-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z-Voseo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 14 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deisenbe-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z-Voseo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deisenbe-2017-05-14T12:22:00.000Z-Voseo"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Linares_de_Mora" data-mw-thread-id="h-Linares_de_Mora-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Linares_de_Mora-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z"></span>Linares de Mora<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Linares_de_Mora-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Linares de Mora"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mizike-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z-Linares_de_Mora"></span>Thanks for the correction! I didn't realize Aragones wasn't spoken there. <a href="/wiki/User:Mizike" title="User:Mizike">Mizike</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mizike" title="User talk:Mizike">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Mizike-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z-Linares_de_Mora" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mizike-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z-Linares_de_Mora"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mizike-2017-05-31T18:09:00.000Z-Linares_de_Mora"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message-2017-12-03T18:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message-2017-12-03T18:42:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2017 election voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message-2017-12-03T18:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2017 election voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2017-12-03T18:42:00.000Z-ArbCom_2017_election_voter_message"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245" /><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello, Jotamar. 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I wonder why you think <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paella&type=revision&diff=820480368&oldid=818437163">this source</a> to be unreliable? It is a hypothesis mentioned many times in different sources. I have readded the paragraph with more supporting sources mentioned. <a href="/wiki/User:Brainist" title="User:Brainist">Brainist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brainist" title="User talk:Brainist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Brainist-2018-01-30T20:10:00.000Z-Paella_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 30 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brainist-2018-01-30T20:10:00.000Z-Paella_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brainist-2018-01-30T20:10:00.000Z-Paella_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z"></span>Edit warring in Crown of Aragon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Edit warring in Crown of Aragon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon"></span>Excuse me, what are you doing? You are a long standing editor, and I have told you to take it to talk. Still you have not gone there, and start edit warring, which does not come across as very collaborative. I bring here <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">what edit warring is</a> for your information, and put away confrontational attitudes. For content, please go to talk. <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-03-12T18:38:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Crown_of_Aragon"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z"></span>Edit warring in Basque Country<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Edit warring in Basque Country"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country"></span>Please do stop confrontational attitudes. Your claims are controversial, do not belong in the lead at any rate (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VER">WP:VER</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User:Iñaki LL">Iñaki LL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I%C3%B1aki_LL" title="User talk:Iñaki LL">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Iñaki_LL-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z-Edit_warring_in_Basque_Country"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iñaki_LL-2018-04-11T19:11:00.000Z-Iñaki_LL-2018-04-06T20:16:00.000Z"></span>Please stop reverting. 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I don't read IPA. If you make a change that looks suspicious to me, and you don't give a summary, I may revert it. <a href="/wiki/User:MrDemeanour" title="User:MrDemeanour">MrDemeanour</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrDemeanour" title="User talk:MrDemeanour">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z-Tortilla" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z-Tortilla"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z-Tortilla"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:15:00.000Z-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z"></span>Oh - and try to be more <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a>. That rule applies as much to edit summaries as to talk-page comments.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Have a nice day. <a href="/wiki/User:MrDemeanour" title="User:MrDemeanour">MrDemeanour</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrDemeanour" title="User talk:MrDemeanour">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:15:00.000Z-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:15:00.000Z-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:15:00.000Z-MrDemeanour-2018-10-18T17:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message-2018-11-19T18:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message-2018-11-19T18:42:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2018 election voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message-2018-11-19T18:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2018 election voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2018-11-19T18:42:00.000Z-ArbCom_2018_election_voter_message"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245" /><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello, Jotamar. Voting in the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2018" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2018">2018 Arbitration Committee elections</a></b> is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBCOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBCOM">Arbitration Committee</a> is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration">Wikipedia arbitration process</a>. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. 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In addition, he accuses me of evading a blockade without any reason or proof. </p><p>Should something be done about it? I believe the sources and accepted editions should prevail than the blocking status of that former user. </p><p>A greeting. <a href="/wiki/User:NothingHam_Bread" title="User:NothingHam Bread">NothingHam Bread</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NothingHam_Bread&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:NothingHam Bread (page does not exist)">talk</a>) </p> <dl><dd>I guess it makes no sense to systematically revert any edition by a blocked user, and even less so when you are just an IP editor. However I'm no expert about WP guidelines, so I suggest you ask your questions for instance in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)">Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)</a>. Regards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z-There_is_a_controversial_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z-There_is_a_controversial_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z-There_is_a_controversial_user"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z"></span>Hi Jotamar, fyi, user <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NothingHam_Bread">NothingHam Bread</a></span> is now blocked as yet another sockpuppet of the blocked user in question, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JamesOredan">JamesOredan</a></span>, a.k.a. "EddTey", "Blade and the rest", and others. About the relevant WP guidelines, and the reverts by the IP (who is not me), I thought you might be interested to know that any and all edits by a blocked user can be reverted without question, according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCKEVASION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOCKEVASION">WP:BLOCKEVASION</a>. It's sometimes done to give the message that it's pointless for the user to continue their sockpuppetry, because all their edits will be undone. That's true even if the edits appear useful, according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BMB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BMB">WP:BMB</a>, because the damage to Wikipedia by allowing a blocked/banned editor to edit may be greater than whatever value a particular edit may have. On the other hand, it's not <i>required</i> to revert the edits of blocked users. Editors in good standing may also reinstate reverted edits of blocked users, if they take full responsibility for them, though they should consider the reasoning of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BMB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BMB">WP:BMB</a> before doing so. I hope that helps... --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IamNotU&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IamNotU (page does not exist)">IamNotU</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IamNotU" title="User talk:IamNotU">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-03-25T19:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2019-04-10T16:37:00.000Z-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2019-04-10T16:37:00.000Z-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 10 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2019-04-10T16:37:00.000Z-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2019-04-10T16:37:00.000Z-IamNotU-2019-04-08T16:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for June 29<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for June 29"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29"></span>Hi. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DPL_bot-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 29 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2019-06-29T14:47:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_29"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Torres_(surname)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Torres_(surname)-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z"><span id="Torres_.28surname.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Torres_(surname)-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Torres_(surname)" title="Torres (surname)">Torres (surname)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Torres_(surname)-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: Torres (surname)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z-Torres_(surname)"></span>The old Lady Presidential candidate <a href="/wiki/Sandra_Torres_(politician)" class="mw-redirect" title="Sandra Torres (politician)">Sandra Torres (politician)</a> is <b>not</b> an athlete, heaven. You just had to delete <a href="/w/index.php?title=Sandra_Torres_(fencer)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sandra Torres (fencer) (page does not exist)">Sandra Torres (fencer)</a>, Venezuelan fencer, if en:WP doesn't like to see redlinks within disambiguation lists. You have doubled entry for Lady politician again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Emeritus" title="User:Emeritus">Emeritus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emeritus" title="User talk:Emeritus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z-Torres_(surname)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 31 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z-Torres_(surname)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z-Torres_(surname)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z"></span>I don't get what the problem is. Of course a non-existent page can't have a link in a disambiguation page. There are 2 <i>Sandra Torres</i> articles in this WP and both have their own link in <a href="/wiki/Torres_(surname)" title="Torres (surname)">Torres (surname)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z-Emeritus-2019-08-31T17:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2019-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Ok, later on I saw that there was a repeated entry for <a href="/wiki/Sandra_Torres_(politician)" class="mw-redirect" title="Sandra Torres (politician)">Sandra Torres (politician)</a>. I've fixed it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2019-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 2 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2019-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2019-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Jotamar-2019-08-31T17:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Source_in_Hispanic_article." data-mw-thread-id="h-Source_in_Hispanic_article.-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Source_in_Hispanic_article.-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z"></span>Source in <a href="/wiki/Hispanic" title="Hispanic">Hispanic</a> article.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Source_in_Hispanic_article.-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Source in Hispanic article."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Source_in_Hispanic_article."></span>I see you restored <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hispanic&diff=920415791&oldid=920147561">[7]</a> a source listed in the references section of the above article. Can you explain why you think a student essay making dubious claims about 'Hispanic' versus 'Anglo' culture meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>? You might well take into consideration before answering this the fact that the only other mention on Wikipedia of the author, Romero Anton Montalban-Anderssen (I think given the unusual name we can assume it is the same person) has been in our article on the English village of <a href="/wiki/Hartforth" title="Hartforth">Hartforth</a>, where multiple contributors (or more likely the same contributor under multiple names) have repeatedly tried to add a claim that said individual is 'Lord of Hartforth', based on dubious sources, resulting after a discussion at WP:ANI <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020#Threatened_privacy_breach">[8]</a> in the article being protected. Given that the 'reference' was originally added by an anonymous IP giving a clearly false edit summary ("added link to larger file that contains all references"), <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hispanic&diff=prev&oldid=170908799">[9]</a> and given that said IP's only other edits were in reference to the name 'Montalban', I see no reason to think that the link wasn't added by 'Montalban-Anderssen' himself. Not that it should matter much anyway, since Wikipedia doesn't, as far as I'm aware, cite student essays as sources. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.143.224.244" title="Special:Contributions/86.143.224.244">86.143.224.244</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.143.224.244&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.143.224.244 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Source_in_Hispanic_article." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Source_in_Hispanic_article."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Source_in_Hispanic_article."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2019-10-11T18:13:00.000Z-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z"></span>Check this discussion: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hispanic#Source_reliable_or_not" title="Talk:Hispanic">Talk:Hispanic#Source reliable or not</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2019-10-11T18:13:00.000Z-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2019-10-11T18:13:00.000Z-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2019-10-11T18:13:00.000Z-86.143.224.244-2019-10-10T06:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-2019-11-19T00:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-2019-11-19T00:06:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2019 election voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-2019-11-19T00:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2019 election voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2019-11-19T00:06:00.000Z-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></td><td>Hello! 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For some reason I had read "extinct" rather than "extant", and your reply at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Catalan_independence_movement&type=revision&diff=930156005&oldid=930155674">this revert</a> seemed as if you were requiring me to prove that the party still existed! I had thought it was a crazy situation because it made absolutely no sense for you to claim that. Further, as a result of the various reverts I did not notice you were actually trying to correct the existing error at the article, not adding it. I'll be reverting my latest edit to your version. Sorry for the inconvenience. <a href="/wiki/User:Impru20" title="User:Impru20"><span style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#0018A8;color:orange;padding:0.2em">Impru<span style="color:gold">20</span></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Impru20" title="User talk:Impru20">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Impru20-2019-12-10T17:00:00.000Z-PDECAT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Impru20-2019-12-10T17:00:00.000Z-PDECAT"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Impru20-2019-12-10T17:00:00.000Z-PDECAT"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for January 25<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for January 25"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25"></span>An automated process has detected that when you recently edited <a href="/wiki/Spaniards" title="Spaniards">Spaniards</a>, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page <a href="/wiki/Portuguese" class="mw-disambig" title="Portuguese">Portuguese</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Spaniards">check to confirm</a> | <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Spaniards?client=notify">fix with Dab solver</a>). </p><p>(<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">Opt-out instructions</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DPL_bot-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2020-01-25T11:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spaniard_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spaniard_article-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spaniard_article-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z"></span>Spaniard article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spaniard_article-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: Spaniard article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z-Spaniard_article"></span>The user Melroross is vandalizing the “Spaniards” article. </p><p>He has erased all the content of the Lead and copying all the content of the article “Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula” and pasting it in this article. Basically he is removing content with sources and converting the article in an entirely genetic article. <a href="/wiki/User:NormanGear" title="User:NormanGear">NormanGear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NormanGear" title="User talk:NormanGear">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z-Spaniard_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z-Spaniard_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z-Spaniard_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:NormanGear" title="User:NormanGear"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:23:00.000Z-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z"></span>User:NormanGear</a>, I understand that you may not be happy about being reported once again. Please try and reflect on your conduct and the reasons why you have been reported. I think your post above shows that you may be seeking some sort of retaliation. That is understandable, however and as per ongoing discussions, I would never vandalise an article. The “vandalism” you are implying, has been reinstated as a link, which was the intention from inception. The link in question refers to the genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula and has not changed the <a href="/wiki/Spaniards" title="Spaniards">Spaniards</a> page in the least. Please refrain from further unfounded accusations. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Melroross" title="User:Melroross">Melroross</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melroross" title="User talk:Melroross">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:23:00.000Z-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:23:00.000Z-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:23:00.000Z-NormanGear-2020-01-27T14:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Language-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Language-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Language<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Language-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: Language"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z-Language"></span>Greetings <a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a>, may I remind you that “<b>Civility</b> is part of Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette" title="Wikipedia:Etiquette">code of conduct</a> and one of its <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">five pillars</a>. The civility policy describes the standards expected of users and provides appropriate ways of dealing with problems when they arise. Stated simply, editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect.” I trust that henceforth you will bear this in mind before adding further comments as you did on <a href="/wiki/Spaniards" title="Spaniards">Spaniards</a>. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Melroross" title="User:Melroross">Melroross</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melroross" title="User talk:Melroross">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z-Language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z-Language"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melroross-2020-01-27T20:12:00.000Z-Language"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="February_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-February_2020-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-February_2020-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z"></span>February 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-February_2020-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: February 2020"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DeltaQuad-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z-February_2020"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Stop icon with clock" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/40px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/60px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/80px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="212" data-file-height="211" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div style="margin-left:45px">You have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Partial_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Partial blocks">blocked</a></b> from editing for a period of <b>1 week</b> from from certain pages (<a href="/wiki/Pupusa" title="Pupusa">Pupusa</a>) for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit warring</a>. 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If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">dispute resolution</a>, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy" title="Wikipedia:Protection policy">page protection</a>.</div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a>, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a>|reason=<i>Your reason here ~~~~</i>}}</code>.  -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:DeltaQuad" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:DeltaQuad"><span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User:DeltaQuad" title="User:DeltaQuad">(aka DQ)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DeltaQuad-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z-February_2020" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DeltaQuad-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z-February_2020"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DeltaQuad-2020-02-24T20:24:00.000Z-February_2020"></span></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish" data-mw-thread-id="h-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z"><span id="Espa.C3.B1ol_caribe.C3.B1o_.2F_Caribbean_Spanish"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z"></span>Español caribeño / Caribbean Spanish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: Español caribeño / Caribbean Spanish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoacoCanal-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish"></span>Hola, veo que revertiste mi edición en la página "Caribbean Spanish", volviendo a poner la imagen de dialectos de español caribeño que estaba antes. No hay tales variedades del español caribeño en Colombia, ni tienen la extensión que muestra ese mapa. Si miras un mapa de dialectología del español en Colombia, verás que los dialectos "caribeños" tienen una extensión más limitada: <a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dialectos_Colombia.png">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dialectos_Colombia.png</a> (también: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.lifeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/dialectos-de-colombia.jpg">https://www.lifeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/dialectos-de-colombia.jpg</a> ). Los dialectos caribeños solo alcanzan la zona norte del país, las sabanas del Caribe. Por tal razón revertí tu edición y volví a poner el mapa que había puesto. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JoacoCanal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JoacoCanal (page does not exist)">JoacoCanal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoacoCanal" title="User talk:JoacoCanal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-JoacoCanal-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoacoCanal-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoacoCanal-2020-05-07T14:33:00.000Z-Español_caribeño_/_Caribbean_Spanish"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bullfighter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bullfighter-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bullfighter-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z"></span>Bullfighter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bullfighter-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: Bullfighter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DonSpencer1-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z-Bullfighter"></span>¡Hola!</i> I have reverted your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bullfighter&diff=969543211&oldid=969543097">first</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bullfighter&diff=969543097&oldid=969542855">second</a> edits (or rather, restorations) to <a href="/wiki/Bullfighter" title="Bullfighter">bullfighter</a>. When you added "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">On the other hand, it's quite common for a bullfighter to be born in a family of bullfighters</q>" you used <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TONE">unencyclopedic tone</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUPER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUPER">weasel-wording</a> – both of which are discouraged on Wikipedia. This is "on the other hand" to what? What is the first "hand"? Same thing with "quite common", e.g. common in what sense? Your second edits describing the Spanish phrase <i>más cornadas da el hambre</i> as "famous" is unsourced with respect to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://elpais.com/diario/1985/05/27/cultura/485992808_850215.html#:~:text=Muy%20castigado%20por%20los%20toros,del%20fat%C3%ADdico%20hierro%20de%20Miura">citation</a> you gave. I will re-word that sentence to read better. Gracias. <a href="/wiki/User:DonSpencer1" title="User:DonSpencer1"><span style="color:maroon; font-family:Garamond;"><b>Donna Spencer</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DonSpencer1" title="User talk:DonSpencer1"><span style="color:#E6A817; font-family:times new roman;"><i>talk-to-me</i></span></a>⛅</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DonSpencer1-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z-Bullfighter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DonSpencer1-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z-Bullfighter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DonSpencer1-2020-07-26T02:26:00.000Z-Bullfighter"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Koine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Koine-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Koine-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z"></span>Koine<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Koine-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: Koine"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z-Koine"></span>Please explain your reversion of my edit on <a href="/wiki/Koin%C3%A9_language" title="Koiné language">Koiné language</a>. I corrected an apparent error of English. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Zaslav" title="User:Zaslav">Zaslav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaslav" title="User talk:Zaslav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z-Koine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z-Koine"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z-Koine"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T22:26:00.000Z-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z"></span>Please see my talk page for a reply to your reply. <a href="/wiki/User:Zaslav" title="User:Zaslav">Zaslav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaslav" title="User talk:Zaslav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T22:26:00.000Z-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T22:26:00.000Z-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaslav-2020-08-21T22:26:00.000Z-Zaslav-2020-08-21T04:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Undo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Undo-2020-09-11T23:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Undo-2020-09-11T23:35:00.000Z"></span>Undo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Undo-2020-09-11T23:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: Undo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jinengi-2020-09-11T23:35:00.000Z-Undo"></span>What's wrong with the info I wrote on the Aragonese page? Please tell me before erasing what I wrote again :> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Jinengi" title="User:Jinengi">Jinengi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jinengi#top" title="User talk:Jinengi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jinengi" title="Special:Contributions/Jinengi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jinengi-2020-09-11T23:35:00.000Z-Undo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jinengi-2020-09-11T23:35:00.000Z-Undo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2020-09-13T21:13:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2020-09-12T07:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2020-09-13T21:13:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2020-09-12T07:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ambiguity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ambiguity-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ambiguity-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z"></span>Ambiguity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ambiguity-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=86" title="Edit section: Ambiguity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z-Ambiguity"></span>@Jotamar: You wrote this: "<a href="/wiki/User:Redav" title="User:Redav">User:Redav</a>, it occurs to me that you could delete the section about this point that you wrote in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Spanish_pronouns" title="Talk:Spanish pronouns">Talk:Spanish pronouns</a>, so that it doesn't confuse other editors. Regards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z-Ambiguity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)</a>"<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z-Ambiguity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2020-10-10T19:51:00.000Z-Ambiguity"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redav-2020-10-10T22:45:00.000Z-Ambiguity"></span>There is ambiguity in there, in the sense that "that you wrote in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Spanish_pronouns" title="Talk:Spanish pronouns">Talk:Spanish pronouns</a>" could refer to either of: </p> <ul><li>"the section";</li> <li>"this point",</li></ul> <p>I understood "that you wrote in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Spanish_pronouns" title="Talk:Spanish pronouns">Talk:Spanish pronouns</a>" to refer to and identify the <i>nearest noun phrase it could possibly refer to</i>, i.e. "this point". And - perfectly grammatically, I should think - I further interpreted "the section" as the then current section. </p><p>Does that justify writing "you should read your messages a little less hastily", which is in the form of an order? Or may I kindly ask you to write your message as a request that is unambiguous as well? Regards!<a href="/wiki/User:Redav" title="User:Redav">Redav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redav" title="User talk:Redav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Redav-2020-10-10T22:45:00.000Z-Ambiguity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redav-2020-10-10T22:45:00.000Z-Ambiguity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redav-2020-10-10T22:45:00.000Z-Ambiguity"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z"></span>Terminology in Spanish verbs article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=87" title="Edit section: Terminology in Spanish verbs article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article"></span>Jotamar, brief here, semi-swamped at present, but I'm thinking it would be good if we could work together to clean up the paragraphs you edited recently in Spanish verbs. Agreed that (verb) <i>paradigm</i> is used in two ways -- one to refer to the maximally six forms of the template for a specific tense-aspect-mood class such as imperfect subjunctive, the other, more traditional, a cover term for a specific verb's entire collection of forms, presumably conjugations as well as non-conjugated forms. I'm reasonably satisfied with the admittedly vague term <i>system</i> for a verb's entire suite of forms, and much more so with <i>paradigm</i> for a specific conjugated template, but I'm open to principled alternatives that could work. The main point is to sort out appropriate labels for those two so that <i>tense</i> is used to describe actual tense, thus avoiding confusing misapplication of that label to templates that are actually more than just tense. Cheers. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Barefoot_through_the_chollas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Barefoot through the chollas (page does not exist)">Barefoot through the chollas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barefoot_through_the_chollas" title="User talk:Barefoot through the chollas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z-Terminology_in_Spanish_verbs_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2020-11-10T19:20:00.000Z-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Barefoot_through_the_chollas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Barefoot through the chollas (page does not exist)">Barefoot through the chollas</a>:</span> I've opened a discussion about this in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Spanish_verbs#''Tense''_and_''Paradigm''" title="Talk:Spanish verbs">Talk:Spanish verbs#''Tense'' and ''Paradigm''</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2020-11-10T19:20:00.000Z-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2020-11-10T19:20:00.000Z-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2020-11-10T19:20:00.000Z-Barefoot_through_the_chollas-2020-11-10T18:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:28:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-2020-11-24T01:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=88" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T01:28:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></td><td>Hello! 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Agree with your point. The rest of my endless meddling had been merely an attempt to make this article flow better and more logical, rather than have sentences and paragraphs that had little relation to each other and no overall order. I also removed the literature section because this is not what is meant by "Mudejar art". I tried to make the point in the article that the Mudejars were not the only ones to practice Mudejar art by saying they "introduced" and the styles were "absorbed by". I made these small but important changes because of your posts. However this is not enough, so please add those points you made about Mozarabs and Christians but please back it up with scholarly citations. After all there was "Mudejar art" in the former Spanish colonies but there were no Mudejars there. I hope this is the last time I do any major editing on Wikipedia but don't be surprised if I try to do some final tidying up of this article. Cheers <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/14.201.194.124" title="Special:Contributions/14.201.194.124">14.201.194.124</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:14.201.194.124#top" title="User talk:14.201.194.124">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-14.201.194.124-2021-02-28T08:52:00.000Z-Mudejar_art" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-14.201.194.124-2021-02-28T08:52:00.000Z-Mudejar_art"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-14.201.194.124-2021-02-28T08:52:00.000Z-Mudejar_art"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""not_in_most"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"not_in_most"?-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z"><span id=".22not_in_most.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"not_in_most"?-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z"></span>"not in most"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"not_in_most"?-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=90" title="Edit section: "not in most"?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z-"not_in_most"?"></span>Dear Jotamar, your latest edit in <a href="/wiki/Spanish_orthography" title="Spanish orthography">Spanish orthography</a> says "...for speakers not in most of Spain..." Did you intend to delete that "not"? <a href="/wiki/User:Kotabatubara" title="User:Kotabatubara">Kotabatubara</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kotabatubara" title="User talk:Kotabatubara">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z-"not_in_most"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z-"not_in_most"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z-"not_in_most"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2021-03-22T16:31:00.000Z-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kotabatubara" title="User:Kotabatubara">Kotabatubara</a>:</span> It's not an important edition, I'm just a little tired of the <i>central and northern Spain</i> formula, let alone the stupid <i>"Castilian"</i> moniker. About half of Andalusians and almost all Murcians do the s/z distinction, so I tried to put something more realistic. I suppose the resulting wording is kind of awkward in English, so you just edit it however you like it. Best regards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2021-03-22T16:31:00.000Z-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2021-03-22T16:31:00.000Z-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2021-03-22T16:31:00.000Z-Kotabatubara-2021-03-22T00:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disruptive_editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disruptive_editing-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disruptive_editing-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z"></span>Disruptive editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disruptive_editing-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=91" title="Edit section: Disruptive editing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laocon-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/25px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/38px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500" /></span></span> Please stop your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive editing</a>. </p> <ul><li>If you are engaged in an article <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy" title="Wikipedia:Editing policy">content dispute</a> with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the <a href="/wiki/Talk:National_and_regional_identity_in_Spain" title="Talk:National and regional identity in Spain">article's talk page</a>, and seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">dispute resolution</a> page, and ask for independent help at one of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Ask_for_help_at_a_relevant_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">relevant noticeboards</a>.</li> <li>If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a>.</li></ul> <p>If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at <a href="/wiki/National_and_regional_identity_in_Spain" title="National and regional identity in Spain">National and regional identity in Spain</a>, you may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a>. I wish you to seek consensus first instead of disruptive editing. You have been invited twice to discuss with proper arguments and instead you kept reverting my edits. All the best, <a href="/wiki/User:Laocon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Laocon">Laocon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Laocon" title="User talk:Laocon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Laocon-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laocon-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laocon-2021-03-22T09:55:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z"><span id="Canary_Islands_.C2.A7.C2.A7_GDP_statistics"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z"></span>Canary Islands §§ GDP statistics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=92" title="Edit section: Canary Islands §§ GDP statistics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DeNoel-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics"></span>You were the last person to edit the <a href="/wiki/Canary_Islands#GDP_statistics" title="Canary Islands">titular subsection</a>. I would like to invite you to the format discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Canary_Islands#Currency" title="Talk:Canary Islands">Talk:Canary Islands#Currency</a>. <span class="nowrap">— <a href="/wiki/User:DeNoel" class="mw-redirect" title="User:DeNoel">Christopher, Sheridan, OR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DeNoel" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:DeNoel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DeNoel-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DeNoel-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DeNoel-2021-05-23T17:46:00.000Z-Canary_Islands_§§_GDP_statistics"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spanish_language_infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spanish_language_infobox-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spanish_language_infobox-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z"></span>Spanish language infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spanish_language_infobox-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=93" title="Edit section: Spanish language infobox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z-Spanish_language_infobox"></span>Greetings! I have seen that you have been active in cleaning up/monitoring changes to <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish language</a> and have contributed to its consensus issues for a while now. Over the past year, various users have continued to flame edit wars over the insistence that Western Sahara and Philippines are Spanish-speaking to inflate its scope in a similar fashion as claiming Chilean/Argentine Antarctic territories a while back. It has been firmly agreed upon many times over the years on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Spanish_language" title="Talk:Spanish language">talk page</a> that these two places should not be placed under the 'significant minority' category or even be included in the infobox for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Misinformation_on_infoboxes" title="Wikipedia:Misinformation on infoboxes">interpretation of misinformation</a>. In fact, a quick Google search will show that Spanish is basically extinct in Philippines despite what these die-hard "language inflators" suggest (something I personally experienced while briefly working there). </p><p>Recently, a new user (PyroFloe) decided to add a 'secondary/optional language' category without consulting the discussion page and only placing their reason in the article. What do you think about this? This isn't standard policy on language infoboxes and could potentially spread to other articles, such as inclusion of a bunch of countries to this section if added onto <a href="/wiki/English_language" title="English language">English language</a> or <a href="/wiki/French_language" title="French language">French language</a>. - <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moalli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moalli (page does not exist)">Moalli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moalli" title="User talk:Moalli">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z-Spanish_language_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 3 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z-Spanish_language_infobox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z-Spanish_language_infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2021-07-15T18:51:00.000Z-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moalli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moalli (page does not exist)">Moalli</a>:</span> first of all, I'm sorry for replying so late. I've been watching for long the pages about Spanish both in WP-es and WP-en, and I've come to the conclusion that a consensus about the infoboxes will never be reached, because editors come and go and balances change. I'm personally in favor of including the Philippines somehow because the language was important along the country's history, but that's not a relevant point. Regards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2021-07-15T18:51:00.000Z-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2021-07-15T18:51:00.000Z-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2021-07-15T18:51:00.000Z-Moalli-2021-07-03T04:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="SADR_maps" data-mw-thread-id="h-SADR_maps-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SADR_maps-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z"></span>SADR maps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SADR_maps-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=94" title="Edit section: SADR maps"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z-SADR_maps"></span>Care to explain <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sahrawi_Arab_Democratic_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=1054582785">this</a>? What exactly is the need for that second (albeit POV-pushing) map when there is already a perfectly adequate map there? I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ytpks896&oldid=1051870639#SADR">spoke to the editor</a> who added that map in the first place (although they chose to flat out ignore me and erase my comment), explaining why that map has no place in the info box, or quite frankly the entire article altogether. As I explained to the other editor, it's best not confuse the proclaimed "SADR" with the entire disputed territory of Western Sahara as a whole (80% Morocco, 20% Polisario), so to add a map showing a huge swath of land completely out of the control of the Polisario as part of the SADR makes no sense. Please see <a href="/wiki/Western_Sahara" title="Western Sahara">Western Sahara</a>, <a href="/wiki/Morocco" title="Morocco">Morocco</a>, <a href="/wiki/Political_status_of_Western_Sahara" title="Political status of Western Sahara">Political status of Western Sahara</a>, <a href="/wiki/Southern_Provinces" title="Southern Provinces">Southern Provinces</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Moroccan_Western_Sahara_Wall" title="Moroccan Western Sahara Wall">Moroccan Western Sahara Wall</a> for more if you are unfamiliar with the subject. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE" title="Special:Contributions/2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE">2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE" title="User talk:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z-SADR_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 11 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z-SADR_maps"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z-SADR_maps"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE (page does not exist)">2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE</a>:</span> I acknowledge that the map is somewhat redundant. However, as probably with most regular editors, my natural reaction to an unexplained deletion is to revert it, more so when the author was an IP editor, and I don't feel like apologizing for that. The normal procedure in a case like this is to bring up the question in the talk page for the article and gather consensus there. Regards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 11 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE-2021-11-11T01:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z"></span>I was not looking for an apology, I was more just looking for an explanation why you reverted back to the map. You claimed I made "an unexplained deletion" when this is anything but true, I was very explicit time and time again as to why I removed the non-consensus and baseless map, when it was you who made the unexplained revert to restore it. None of this matters anyway because as you may or may not know, another editor has chosen to involve themself rather aggressively into restoring the map (as well as adding a bogus, throwaway "ref"), they also somehow managed to get admin intervention to their favor in what appears to be a desperate attempt to incriminate me in order to secure the stupid map. So unfortunately, it looks like that map is going to have to stay for the time being until something can be done about it, so maybe you can be happy about that. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C" title="Special:Contributions/2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C">2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z-Jotamar-2021-11-11T22:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2021-11-12T18:24:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE (page does not exist)">2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:5149:3E63:978:22FE</a>:</span> apparently you haven't realized that the problem is not the map, it's the manners. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2021-11-12T18:24:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2021-11-12T18:24:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2021-11-12T18:24:00.000Z-2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:B029:1D5E:258:AB1C-2021-11-12T12:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:07:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=95" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:07:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></td><td>Hello! 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The definite article "the" refers to a specific "revolution"--the American one. Convivencia refers not to an event, but a process described in Iberian history, literally, as "co-living-ness", a term that never uses the definite article. Grammatically, we not add a definite article for "coexistence" OR "Convivencia". This Wikipedia page is the first time I can even remember seeing it used with the definite article and Convivencia this is my doctoral dissertation topic! If you need more evidence, I'd be to offer you more. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F" title="Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F">2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F-2022-01-23T15:00:00.000Z-No_definite_article_for_Convivencia_in_original_Spanish_use_either.er" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 23 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F-2022-01-23T15:00:00.000Z-No_definite_article_for_Convivencia_in_original_Spanish_use_either.er"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2607:FEA8:BCA0:3B8:697A:5A1E:71F:BA2F-2022-01-23T15:00:00.000Z-No_definite_article_for_Convivencia_in_original_Spanish_use_either.er"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion-2022-02-21T12:24:00.000Z"><span id="Nomination_of_Plou.2C_Aragon_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion-2022-02-21T12:24:00.000Z"></span>Nomination of <a href="/wiki/Plou,_Aragon" title="Plou, Aragon">Plou, Aragon</a> for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion-2022-02-21T12:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=97" title="Edit section: Nomination of Plou, Aragon for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="afd-notice"> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Owen250708-2022-02-21T12:24:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Plou,_Aragon_for_deletion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" /></span></span></div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article <b><a href="/wiki/Plou,_Aragon" title="Plou, Aragon">Plou, Aragon</a></b> is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a> or whether it should be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deleted</a>. <p>The article will be discussed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Plou,_Aragon" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plou, Aragon">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plou, Aragon</a> until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 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Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—<b>even if you do not violate the three-revert rule</b>—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. <a href="/wiki/User:Largoplazo" title="User:Largoplazo">Largoplazo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Largoplazo" title="User talk:Largoplazo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z-June_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z-June_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z-June_2022"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Largoplazo" title="User:Largoplazo">Largoplazo</a>:</span> the current conflict at <a href="/wiki/Mozarabic_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Mozarabic language">Mozarabic language</a> is the kind of discussion that can only stop with the help of additional opinions, and since you've edited the page recently you probably have something to say about it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T09:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T21:59:00.000Z-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z"></span>The only reason I looked at that article was because after undoing an edit Alejojojo6 made to another page I was watching, I took a look at some of their other edits at around the same time and happened to notice the one phrase that I removed, which put the Mozarabic language article on my watchlist. And you've seen my comment on the Talk page, which betrayed no knowledge by me on the subject. <a href="/wiki/User:Largoplazo" title="User:Largoplazo">Largoplazo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Largoplazo" title="User talk:Largoplazo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T21:59:00.000Z-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T21:59:00.000Z-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Largoplazo-2022-06-07T21:59:00.000Z-Jotamar-2022-06-07T20:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z"></span>IPA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=99" title="Edit section: IPA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sol505000-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z-IPA"></span>No need to yell, I didn't check the edit history before removing the Western Catalan IPA. The difference between <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[ə]</span> vs. <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[a]</span> is automatic and so I see no need to transcribe the WC variant explicitly - but I'm not going to edit war over that. <a href="/wiki/User:Sol505000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sol505000">Sol505000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sol505000" title="User talk:Sol505000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Sol505000-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z-IPA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sol505000-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z-IPA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sol505000-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z-IPA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-2022-06-29T21:08:00.000Z-Sol505000-2022-06-25T16:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sol505000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sol505000">Sol505000</a>:</span> I'm sorry I <i>yelled</i>. In terms of <i>underlying phonetic form</i>, it's easier to derive the Eastern Catalan pronunciation from the Western one, than the other way around. Anyway, even though the Barcelona (Eastern) pronunciation is obviously the most common in Catalan-language media, the state-owned media always try to have at least one or two newsreaders or other professionals who speak with a Western pronunciation, in order to underline that this accent, used in half of Catalonia (or more), is equally standard. 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I have no idea what "Hispanic America" is or should be (nor frankly do I much care). But according to the table of countries in our article and the Commons map displayed there, it does not include the USA. If you have RS's, please correct the article and the map (or ask the Map Lab at Commons to correct the map), and I'll be happy for "USA" to be removed from the list of areas where Spanish is native. <a href="/wiki/User:Kwamikagami" title="User:Kwamikagami">— kwami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami" title="User talk:Kwamikagami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Kwamikagami-20230406060400-Hispanic_America" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 6 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwamikagami-20230406060400-Hispanic_America"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwamikagami-20230406060400-Hispanic_America"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1-20231001060900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1-20231001060900"></span>Disambiguation link notification for October 1<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1-20231001060900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=103" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for October 1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-20231001060900-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1"></span>An automated process has detected that when you recently edited <a href="/wiki/Spanish_cuisine" title="Spanish cuisine">Spanish cuisine</a>, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page <a href="/wiki/Meseta" class="mw-disambig" title="Meseta">Meseta</a>. </p><p>(<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">Opt-out instructions</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-DPL_bot-20231001060900-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-20231001060900-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-20231001060900-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-20231128002400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-20231128002400"></span>ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-20231128002400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=104" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128002400-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128002400-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128002400-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hispanic_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hispanic_question-20231229023400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hispanic_question-20231229023400"></span>Hispanic question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hispanic_question-20231229023400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=105" title="Edit section: Hispanic question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2marco4-20231229023400-Hispanic_question"></span>Look. </p><p>I really have a question about the term "Hispanic". </p><p>Does Hispanic count Spaniards and Portuguese? </p><p>What about Brazilians? </p><p>Mostly the word "Hispanics" are applied to the United States, cause in Canada for example, they have a separate term Latin Americans for people from Mexico to Chile. </p><p>But we are talking about Australia. </p><p>Does it even make sense? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2marco4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2marco4 (page does not exist)">2marco4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2marco4" title="User talk:2marco4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-2marco4-20231229023400-Hispanic_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2marco4-20231229023400-Hispanic_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2marco4-20231229023400-Hispanic_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-20240101233600-2marco4-20231229023400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2marco4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2marco4 (page does not exist)">2marco4</a>:</span> hi Marco, my first comment is, why don't you bring up the question in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hispanic_and_Latin_American_Australians" title="Talk:Hispanic and Latin American Australians">Talk:Hispanic and Latin American Australians</a>, so that it's open for more editors? Second, do you live in Australia or know that country well? I don't, but I guess that the concept of <i>Hispanic</i>, while originally from the US, must be common in all the English-speaking countries, and also in many others. If you have any reason to think otherwise, please explain it. Regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-20240101233600-2marco4-20231229023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-20240101233600-2marco4-20231229023400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-20240101233600-2marco4-20231229023400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2marco4-20240102001400-2marco4-20231229023400"></span>Ok. I already asked the question right now on the other page.</dd> <dd>Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2marco4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2marco4 (page does not exist)">2marco4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2marco4" title="User talk:2marco4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-2marco4-20240102001400-2marco4-20231229023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2marco4-20240102001400-2marco4-20231229023400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2marco4-20240102001400-2marco4-20231229023400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paella_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paella_4-20240720234700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paella_4-20240720234700"></span>Paella<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paella_4-20240720234700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=106" title="Edit section: Paella"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700-Paella_4"></span>Yes, Jotamar, seriously. The paella stew is made with tomato, preferably pear type, chopped or crushed, which is sautéed along with the rest of the vegetables. It is one of the basic ingredients of the broth, as stated in any reputable source you read. I leave you a few <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.20minutos.es/gastronomia/recetas/receta-para-hacer-paella-valenciana-autentica-5208846/">1</a>(300 g of chopped natural tomato, in the Spanish newspaper 20 minutes), <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.abc.es/recetasderechupete/paella-valenciana/21607/">2</a>(Crushed tomato, in the ABC recipes section), <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.rtve.es/television/20231010/receta-paella-valenciana-autentica-tiktok-trucos-arroz/2457988.shtml">3</a> (100 g of crushed or chopped tomato, RTVE)... Why did you reverted that? Thank you </p><p>Pues sí, Jotamar, el sofrito de la paella se hace con tomate troceado o triturado, preferiblemente de pera. Es uno de los ingredientes básicos del fondo, como consta en cualquier fuente acreditada que leas. Te dejo unas cuantas <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.20minutos.es/gastronomia/recetas/receta-para-hacer-paella-valenciana-autentica-5208846/">1</a> ( 300 g de tomate natural troceado, en el periódico 20 minutos), <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.abc.es/recetasderechupete/paella-valenciana/21607/">2</a> (Tomate triturado, en la sección de recetas del ABC), <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.rtve.es/television/20231010/receta-paella-valenciana-autentica-tiktok-trucos-arroz/2457988.shtml">3</a> (100 g de tomate triturado o troceado, RTVE)... ¿Por qué revertiste ese dato? Gracias <a href="/wiki/User:Spanish_Heritage" title="User:Spanish Heritage">Spanish Heritage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spanish_Heritage" title="User talk:Spanish Heritage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700-Paella_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700-Paella_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700-Paella_4"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-20240721182500-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Spanish_Heritage" title="User:Spanish Heritage">Spanish Heritage</a>:</span> I've seen paellas being cooked a number of times and I didn't recall tomato ever being used. I guess it's a modern addition, just like <i>pimentón</i>, that makes the preparation easier. Anyway, being added in one particular recipe means very little, check for instance <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.directoalpaladar.com/cultura-gastronomica/las-13-mayores-aberraciones-de-la-historia-cometidas-con-la-paella">this page</a>. Just as we speak, another editor has changed the text, so no need to discuss it further. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-20240721182500-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-20240721182500-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-20240721182500-Spanish_Heritage-20240720234700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spanish_Heritage-20240721191400-Jotamar-20240721182500"></span>I cook paella, like my father and my grandmother did, and it has always been made with grated tomato. It is the traditional recipe. The tomato is not seen because it is sautéed after the meat (chicken and rabbit) with the vegetables (bajoqueta and garrofó) along with the saffron. It has nothing to do with the link you gave me. Just take a look on the links I gave you. Anyway, as you say, it is already added. If you are interested in how to cook an authentic paella, this is one of the few videos I have found that does not make "innovations" <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqtwBWtL2-A">[10]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Spanish_Heritage" title="User:Spanish Heritage">Spanish Heritage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spanish_Heritage" title="User talk:Spanish Heritage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Spanish_Heritage-20240721191400-Jotamar-20240721182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spanish_Heritage-20240721191400-Jotamar-20240721182500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spanish_Heritage-20240721191400-Jotamar-20240721182500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119000900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119000900"></span>ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119000900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=107" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #fdf2d5; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center;"> <div class="ivmbox-image noresize" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119000900-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208" /></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello! 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How is it "not constructive"? Especially when the reason you give is the definition of not constructive. Persian is official under different denominations in Iran, Afghanistan (co-official) and Tajikistan, and Russian is the sole official language only in Russia and co-official only in Belarus, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan (and several unrecognised states/autonomous regions like Gagauzia, Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea depending on your point of view). It's widespread in Ukraine and Baltic countries but it's definitely not official there. It's not a personal interpretation, it's just facts. So I don't understand this modification at all, looks like you were bitter at something and randomly decided to revert that modification for no apparent reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Ombreux" title="User:Ombreux">Ombreux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ombreux" title="User talk:Ombreux">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Ombreux-20241227023900-Multilingualism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ombreux-20241227023900-Multilingualism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ombreux-20241227023900-Multilingualism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jotamar-20241227193500-Ombreux-20241227023900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ombreux" title="User:Ombreux">Ombreux</a>:</span> you are dealing with an edition by <a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense">user:Remsense</a>, not by me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jotamar" title="User:Jotamar">Jotamar</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jotamar#c-Jotamar-20241227193500-Ombreux-20241227023900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jotamar-20241227193500-Ombreux-20241227023900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jotamar-20241227193500-Ombreux-20241227023900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI-20250217182400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI-20250217182400"></span>ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI-20250217182400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jotamar&action=edit&section=109" title="Edit section: ANI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MuZemike-20250217182400-ANI"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 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