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id="c-Tule-hog-20240905203000-User_status_2024"></span>Just hit a decade since the last <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security/Archive_4#User_status" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer Security/Archive 4">participant activity check</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security/Members#Active_users?" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer Security/Members">original suggestion</a>). </s></p><p><s>This section is created for users to state their status as active or inactive for the project. Please be sure to update your status to keep it active. Feel free to use the example below. Older participant feel free to advise on best way to bump the notice. </s></p><p><s><i>This list may be used as a demonstration of inactivity of the WikiProject.</i> </s></p><s></s><ul><s></s><li><s><b>Active</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tule-hog" title="User:Tule-hog">Tule-hog</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Tule-hog-20240905203000-User_status_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tule-hog-20240905203000-User_status_2024"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tule-hog-20240905203000-User_status_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905203000","author":"Tule-hog","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tule-hog-20240905203000-User_status_2024","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tule-hog-20240911003800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-User_status_discussion-20240911003800","replies":["c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion"],"text":"User status discussion","linkableTitle":"User status discussion"}--><h2 id="User_status_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_status_discussion-20240911003800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_status_discussion-20240911003800"></span>User status discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_status_discussion-20240911003800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: User status discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tule-hog-20240911003800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-User_status_discussion-20240911003800","replies":["c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-DanielPharos-20241015221300-Tule-hog-20241014195500","timestamp":"20241015221300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__9__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__4__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tule-hog-20240911003800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-User_status_discussion-20240911003800","replies":["c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion"],"text":"User status discussion","linkableTitle":"User status discussion"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion"></span>This is a separate post to discuss the merits of the User status list. </p><p>From what I understand, at least 10 active users qualify as an active WikiProject. There are almost 80 users listed, but with very little activity. If that threshold is not met within a reasonable time frame (say, by the end of 2024?), it might be time to either mark the project as inactive or transform it into a taskforce of WikiProject Computing. </p><p>Critical to my reasoning is that a change would make coordinating the few editors interested in CompSec <i>easier</i>, not more convoluted - if in your experience, these kinds of transitions tend to garble rather than help, I would appreciate recommendations on whether or not to continue with this process. I am thinking that a taskforce of Computing makes the most sense, but I also imagine that could just add extra administrative work in the long run if the taskforce ever grows back out into a full project. </p><p>Additionally, I'm not sure if I should do more to draw attention to the list. I put a short <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Notice" title="Template:Notice">notice</a>}}</code> on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_Security" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer Security">the main page</a>; I wouldn't want to spam users, but also understandably few participants are actively monitoring the talk page where the actual discussion is. <a href="/wiki/User:Tule-hog" title="User:Tule-hog">Tule-hog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tule-hog" title="User talk:Tule-hog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911003800","author":"Tule-hog","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion","replies":["c-Kvng-20240911194000-Tule-hog-20240911003800","c-DanielPharos-20241014191300-Tule-hog-20240911003800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tule-hog-20240911003800-User_status_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kvng-20240911194000-Tule-hog-20240911003800"></span>Your roll call is a bit unusual and so I wasn't immediately clear what was going on. I've trimmed participant lists on projects in the past but just based on observed inactivity on Wikipedia as a whole e.g. mark them inactive if they've done no editing in the past year.</dd> <dd>I already see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPSEC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPSEC">WP:COMPSEC</a> as dependent in some form or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMP">WP:COMP</a>. Whether it is standalone, a child project or a task group doesn't seem to be of much practical consequence.</dd> <dd>It is difficult to gauge the vitality of a project or task group or whatever. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by marking it <i>inactive</i> but I will oppose that because I am still active. It's fine if you want to mark it <i>semi-active</i> but, as with your roll call and project hierarchy proposal, I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by changing designation. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Kvng" title="User:Kvng">Kvng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kvng" title="User talk:Kvng">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Kvng-20240911194000-Tule-hog-20240911003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kvng-20240911194000-Tule-hog-20240911003800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911194000","author":"Kvng","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kvng-20240911194000-Tule-hog-20240911003800","replies":["c-Tule-hog-20240911204100-Kvng-20240911194000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kvng-20240911194000-Tule-hog-20240911003800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tule-hog-20240911204100-Kvng-20240911194000"></span>From what I gathered on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TF">WP:TF</a>, the only possible benefits to a taskforce conversion would be:</dd> <dd>1. <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Computer_Security" title="Template:WikiProject Computer Security">WikiProject Computer Security</a>}}</code> is made a parameter of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMP">WP:COMP</a>'s <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Computing" title="Template:WikiProject Computing">banner</a>, which results in</dd> <dd>2. Automatically merged article alerts in the main project, so more editors notified</dd> <dd>However, given <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPSEC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPSEC">WP:COMPSEC</a>'s considerable work on 'political'/non-computing-centric articles that might be opposed by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMP">WP:COMP</a> in the first place.</dd> <dd>The only reasoning to mark inactive would be to centralize work into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMP">WP:COMP</a>; on further thought the taskforce conversion is the only option that makes sense, if any at all.</dd> <dd>I will strike the status list and trim the list based on activity (on Wikimedia as a whole) in the last 2 years if you/any other participants could confirm that is justified. <a href="/wiki/User:Tule-hog" title="User:Tule-hog">Tule-hog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tule-hog" title="User talk:Tule-hog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Tule-hog-20240911204100-Kvng-20240911194000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tule-hog-20240911204100-Kvng-20240911194000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911204100","author":"Tule-hog","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tule-hog-20240911204100-Kvng-20240911194000","replies":["c-Kvng-20240912155000-Tule-hog-20240911204100","c-Kvng-20240912155600-Tule-hog-20240911204100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tule-hog-20240911204100-Kvng-20240911194000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kvng-20240912155000-Tule-hog-20240911204100"></span>We already have <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|security=</code> and <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|security-importance=</code> on <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Computing" title="Template:WikiProject Computing">WikiProject Computing</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. At this point, security seems to be both a task force and a standalone project. You're welcome to clean this up if we have consensus on how to do so. I would <b>support</b> closing down the standalone project in favor of the task force because I can't justify having both and I think you're right, we'll have more participation on security topics as a task force.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMP">WP:COMP</a> must get alerts from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Computing" title="Template:WikiProject Computing">WikiProject Computing</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> articles marked with <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|security=yes</code>. I'm not sure if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMP">WP:COMP</a> gets alerts from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Computer_Security" title="Template:WikiProject Computer Security">WikiProject Computer Security</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</dd> <dd>2 years of Wikipedia inactivity is more generous than necessary IMO but I won't quibble about it. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Kvng" title="User:Kvng">Kvng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kvng" title="User talk:Kvng">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Kvng-20240912155000-Tule-hog-20240911204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kvng-20240912155000-Tule-hog-20240911204100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912155000","author":"Kvng","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kvng-20240912155000-Tule-hog-20240911204100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kvng-20240912155000-Tule-hog-20240911204100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kvng-20240912155600-Tule-hog-20240911204100"></span>It looks like we may have the same task force/standalone project duality with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPSCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPSCI">WP:COMPSCI</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFTWARE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOFTWARE">WP:SOFTWARE</a> so we probably should discuss this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing</a> before proceeding. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Kvng" title="User:Kvng">Kvng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kvng" title="User talk:Kvng">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Kvng-20240912155600-Tule-hog-20240911204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kvng-20240912155600-Tule-hog-20240911204100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912155600","author":"Kvng","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kvng-20240912155600-Tule-hog-20240911204100","replies":["c-Sohom_Datta-20240915234500-Kvng-20240912155600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kvng-20240912155600-Tule-hog-20240911204100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240915234500-Kvng-20240912155600"></span>Most articles tagged with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSEC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSEC">WP:CSEC</a> are already tagged with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPSCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPSCI">WP:COMPSCI</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ELECTRONICS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ELECTRONICS">WP:ELECTRONICS</a> depending on the topic area, I don't really see the benefit of doing the switcharoo in the first place. Also, I concur with Kvng that I don't see the project as inactive, it is definitely lower in activity, but that's probably expected in this kind of a nicher topic area from time to time. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Sohom_Datta-20240915234500-Kvng-20240912155600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240915234500-Kvng-20240912155600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240915234500","author":"Sohom Datta","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sohom_Datta-20240915234500-Kvng-20240912155600","replies":[],"displayName":"Sohom"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240915234500-Kvng-20240912155600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DanielPharos-20241014191300-Tule-hog-20240911003800"></span>So, you joined this wikiproject on September 5th only to immediately request it being shut down? (Actually, you joined about 14 minutes AFTER asking it to be shut down; even more interesting.) Why don't you participate a bit first and try to fix this perceived inactivity, before deciding to recommend such huge changes?</dd> <dd>Note: I'm not against making this a task-force, but I'm surprised it's always apparent newcomers proposing such things. --<a href="/wiki/User:DanielPharos" title="User:DanielPharos">DanielPharos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DanielPharos" title="User talk:DanielPharos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-DanielPharos-20241014191300-Tule-hog-20240911003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DanielPharos-20241014191300-Tule-hog-20240911003800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014191300","author":"DanielPharos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DanielPharos-20241014191300-Tule-hog-20240911003800","replies":["c-Tule-hog-20241014195500-DanielPharos-20241014191300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DanielPharos-20241014191300-Tule-hog-20240911003800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tule-hog-20241014195500-DanielPharos-20241014191300"></span>Participation is not measured by duration since signing the list; see my contributions. This was an inquiry to the community on how best to centralize the work after observing relative inactivity for around 5 months, not an attempt to shutter any editor organization around CompSec. <a href="/wiki/User:Tule-hog" title="User:Tule-hog">Tule-hog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tule-hog" title="User talk:Tule-hog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-Tule-hog-20241014195500-DanielPharos-20241014191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tule-hog-20241014195500-DanielPharos-20241014191300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014195500","author":"Tule-hog","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tule-hog-20241014195500-DanielPharos-20241014191300","replies":["c-DanielPharos-20241015221300-Tule-hog-20241014195500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tule-hog-20241014195500-DanielPharos-20241014191300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DanielPharos-20241015221300-Tule-hog-20241014195500"></span>If signing up to the project is not a measure of participation, then why do you treat the user list as a gauge for the activity of the project?</dd> <dd>Anyway, I apologize if I'm coming across as abrasive. It just that I've seen proposals like this before (for example, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security/Archive_4#WikiProject_restructuring" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer Security/Archive 4">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer Security/Archive 4#WikiProject restructuring</a>), and back then it was build on handwavy argumentation, providing no clear support for the alleged benefit(s). I'm just trying to vet out if that's the case now too. --<a href="/wiki/User:DanielPharos" title="User:DanielPharos">DanielPharos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DanielPharos" title="User talk:DanielPharos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_Security#c-DanielPharos-20241015221300-Tule-hog-20241014195500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DanielPharos-20241015221300-Tule-hog-20241014195500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015221300","author":"DanielPharos","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DanielPharos-20241015221300-Tule-hog-20241014195500","replies":[]}}--></span><span 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