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data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">in Wikipedia, die vrye ensiklopedie</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="af" dir="ltr"><table role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice plainlinks" id="talkheader" style="width: 80%; border-collapse: separate; text-align: center;"><tbody><tr> <td colspan="4" style="border-bottom: 1px solid #c0c090; font-weight: bold;">Hierdie bladsy is 'n besprekingsbladsy waar verbeteringe tot die <a href="/wiki/Nederland" title="Nederland">Nederland</a>-artikel bespreek word.<br/> Hierdie bladsy is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wat_Wikipedia_nie_is_nie" title="Wikipedia:Wat Wikipedia nie is nie">nie 'n forum</a> vir 'n algemene bespreking van die artikel se onderwerp nie.</td> </tr><tr style="text-align: left;"> <td style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #c0c090"> <ul><li>Plaas nuwe teks onder ou teks. <b class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://af.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=new">Klik hier om 'n nuwe afdeling te begin</a></b>.</li> <li>Onderteken asb. jou plasings deur vier tildes (<code>~~~~</code>) te tik.</li> <li>Nuut by Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Welkom_nuwelinge" title="Wikipedia:Welkom nuwelinge">Welkom</a>! <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Gebruikersportaal" title="Wikipedia:Gebruikersportaal">Kry antwoorde op jou vrae</a>.</li></ul> </td><td> <ul><li>Wees <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Beleefdheid" title="Wikipedia:Beleefdheid">beleefd</a> en wees verwelkomend teenoor nuwe gebruikers</li> <li>Neem aan dat ander gebruikers in goeder trou optree</li> <li>Vermy <i><a href="/wiki/Ad_hominem" title="Ad hominem">ad hominem</a></i>-argumente</li> <li>Vir geskille, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Geskilbeslegting" title="Wikipedia:Geskilbeslegting">versoek geskilbeslegting</a></li></ul> </td><td style="border-left: 1px solid #c0c090"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><b>Artikelriglyne</b></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Geen_oorspronklike_navorsing" title="Wikipedia:Geen oorspronklike navorsing">Geen oorspronklike navorsing</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutrale_standpunt" title="Wikipedia:Neutrale standpunt">Neutrale standpunt</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifieerbaarheid" title="Wikipedia:Verifieerbaarheid">Verifieerbaarheid</a></li></ul> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="border-spacing:4px"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/L%C3%AAer:Open_data_small_color_(vector).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Open_data_small_color_%28vector%29.svg/32px-Open_data_small_color_%28vector%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="32" height="33" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Open_data_small_color_%28vector%29.svg/48px-Open_data_small_color_%28vector%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Open_data_small_color_%28vector%29.svg/64px-Open_data_small_color_%28vector%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="93" data-file-height="96"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border:none; font-size: 100%;"><div class="NavHead" style="font-weight:bold; background:transparent; text-align:center; font-weight: bold;"><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=af.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-365&pages=Nederland">Daaglikse bladtrekke</a></span> van Nederland </div> <div class="NavContent" style="font-weight:normal; background-color:transparent; text-align:left; background:#fffaef; border:1px dotted gray; padding:2px 4px; text-align: center;"> <p>'n Grafiek sou hier vertoon word, maar <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_205#Graph_extension_disabled_per_immediate_effect" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 205">grafieke is tydelik afgeskakel</a>. Besoek intussen gerus die interaktiewe grafiek by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=af.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-365&pages=Nederland">pageviews.wmcloud.org</a></span>. </p> </div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="messagebox standard-talk"> <tbody><tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-none" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel" title="Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg/50px-Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg/75px-Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg/100px-Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td> <td>Hierdie artikel is in 2009 vir <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kandidaatartikels_vir_voorblad" title="Wikipedia:Kandidaatartikels vir voorblad">voorbladstatus</a> benoem, maar die gemeenskap het die benoeming <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Onsuksesvolle_voorbladnominasies/2009#Nederland" title="Wikipedia:Onsuksesvolle voorbladnominasies/2009">afgekeur of nie voldoende ondersteun nie</a>. Dit beteken nie hierdie artikel het nie voorbladpotensiaal nie. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Voel_vry_en_gaan_jou_gang" title="Wikipedia:Voel vry en gaan jou gang">Skaaf gerus daaraan</a> en help die genoemde probleme oplos. As jy meen dit het intussen so verbeter dat dit nou op die voorblad kan pryk, kan jy dit gerus weer <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kandidaatartikels_vir_voorblad" title="Wikipedia:Kandidaatartikels vir voorblad">benoem</a>. </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="messagebox standard-talk"> <tbody><tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-none" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel" title="Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/50px-Cscr-featured.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/75px-Cscr-featured.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/100px-Cscr-featured.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="466" data-file-height="443"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td> <td>Hierdie artikel is deur die gemeenskap <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kandidaatartikels_vir_voorblad/2021#Nederland" title="Wikipedia:Kandidaatartikels vir voorblad/2021">ge茂dentifiseer</a> as een van <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel" title="Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel">Wikipedia se spogartikels</a> en het vir die eerste keer tydens <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel_week_21_2021" title="Wikipedia:Voorbladartikel week 21 2021">week 21 van 2021</a> op ons voorblad gepryk. Dit beteken egter nie dat die artikel nie verder gewysig kan word nie: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Voel_vry_en_gaan_jou_gang" title="Wikipedia:Voel vry en gaan jou gang">voel vry</a> om dit te verbeter of by te werk. </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Taal_as_'n_subonderwerp_van_demografie" data-mw-thread-id="h-Taal_as_'n_subonderwerp_van_demografie"><span id="Taal_as_.27n_subonderwerp_van_demografie"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Taal_as_'n_subonderwerp_van_demografie"></span>Taal as 'n subonderwerp van demografie<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Taal_as_'n_subonderwerp_van_demografie"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section's source code: Taal as 'n subonderwerp van demografie"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>My bedoeling was om taal as 'n subonderwerp van demografie te plaas, maar ek weet nie of taal werklik as sodanig gesien word deur wie ookal daarmee werk nie. Weet iemand meer? --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> 20:14, 4 08 2004 (UTC) </p><p>wat moet je weten? </p> <dl><dd>Ek het bedoel dat ek nie weet of die onderwerp "taal" onder demografie tuis hoord nie. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> 22:15, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Ik denk dat dat prima kan. Aantallen Nederlandstaligen en Friestaligen zijn demografische gegevens.. Beschrijving van de taal zelf gebeurt toch in een los artikel. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gebruiker:Danielm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gebruiker:Danielm (bladsy bestaan nie)">Danielm</a> 12:04, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Neder"_nie_verwys_nie_na_die_seespie毛l" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Neder"_nie_verwys_nie_na_die_seespie毛l"><span id=".22Neder.22_nie_verwys_nie_na_die_seespie.C3.ABl"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Neder"_nie_verwys_nie_na_die_seespie毛l"></span>"Neder" nie verwys nie na die seespie毛l<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Neder"_nie_verwys_nie_na_die_seespie毛l"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section's source code: "Neder" nie verwys nie na die seespie毛l"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>De oorsprong van "Neder" ligt bij mijn weten in het Franse begrip <i>pays-bas</i> (=Neder-landen). Deze term werd door de Bourgondische heersers bedacht om te verwijzen naar deze voor hen lagere gebieden, maar niet noodzakelijk <i>onder die seespie毛l</i>. </p><p>Zie ook de franse wiki:<br/> "Le terme Pays-Bas fut cr茅茅 au XIVe si猫cle, dans la cour du Duc de Bourgogne, pour d茅crire l'ensemble des territoires acquis dans la r茅gion des Pays-Bas et de Belgique actuels."<br/> <i>de term Pays-Bas werd geschapen in de <a href="/w/index.php?title=14e_eeuw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="14e eeuw (bladsy bestaan nie)">14e eeuw</a>, aan het hof van de Hertog van <a href="/w/index.php?title=Bourgondi%C3%AB&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Bourgondi毛 (bladsy bestaan nie)">Bourgondi毛</a>, om de verzameling van de gebieden te benoemen, verworven in het hedendaagse Nederland en Belgi毛.</i> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gebruiker:Minuteman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gebruiker:Minuteman (bladsy bestaan nie)">Minuteman</a> 22:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) </p><p>Die amptelike naam van Nederland is nie die "Nederlandse Koninkryk" nie. Beter is om te praat van die Koninkryk der Nederlande of Koninkryk van die Nederlande. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nuwe_sjabloon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nuwe_sjabloon-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nuwe_sjabloon-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Nuwe sjabloon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nuwe_sjabloon-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section's source code: Nuwe sjabloon"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z-Nuwe_sjabloon"></span>Daar is 'n nuwe sjabloon vir lande (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Sjabloon:Land_infoboks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sjabloon:Land infoboks (bladsy bestaan nie)">Sjabloon:Land_infoboks</a>). Dit het 'n bietjie meer, en is beter vertaal as die wat hier gebruik is (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Sjabloon:Lantabel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sjabloon:Lantabel (bladsy bestaan nie)">Sjabloon:Lantabel</a>). <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Greenman" title="Gebruiker:Greenman">Greenman</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z-Nuwe_sjabloon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 22 Julie 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z-Nuwe_sjabloon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z-Nuwe_sjabloon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Sien asb. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Landbladsyriglyne" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Landbladsyriglyne">Wikipedia:Landbladsyriglyne</a>. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 22 Julie 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-Greenman-2005-07-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z"></span>Moet asb nie (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Sjabloon:Land_infoboks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sjabloon:Land infoboks (bladsy bestaan nie)">Sjabloon:Land_infoboks</a>) gebruik nie. gebruik asb eerder <a href="/wiki/Sjabloon:Landtabel2" class="mw-redirect" title="Sjabloon:Landtabel2">Sjabloon:landtabel2</a>. <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Laurens" title="Gebruiker:Laurens">Laurens</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 23 Julie 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-07-22T21:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Sjabloon:Landtabel" title="Sjabloon:Landtabel"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laurens-2005-07-23T10:15:00.000Z-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z"></span>Sjabloon:Landtabel</a> is so pas aangepas met inhoud uit landtabel2 en is nou die bepalende uitgawe. Dit behoort in die toekoms <a href="/w/index.php?title=Sjabloon:Landtabel-mini-nl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sjabloon:Landtabel-mini-nl (bladsy bestaan nie)">Sjabloon:Landtabel-mini-nl</a> wat tans hier gebruik word te vervang. <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Laurens" title="Gebruiker:Laurens">Laurens</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Laurens-2005-07-23T10:15:00.000Z-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 23 Julie 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laurens-2005-07-23T10:15:00.000Z-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laurens-2005-07-23T10:15:00.000Z-Laurens-2005-07-23T06:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dani毛l_se_bywerking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dani毛l_se_bywerking-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"><span id="Dani.C3.ABl_se_bywerking"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dani毛l_se_bywerking-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Dani毛l se bywerking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dani毛l_se_bywerking-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section's source code: Dani毛l se bywerking"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking"></span>Haai Dani毛l, (of ander Nederlanders wat dalk kan help) </p><p>Sommer 'n paar goeters wat ek nie presies verstaan nie, wat nog aandag moet geniet in die artikel: (sien asb. ook die HTML-kommentaar in die teks) </p> <ul><li>Die gebruik van "sig" by die riviere laat my kopkrap. Miskien kan Engels hier help. Wat beteken "By Westervoort vertak sig ...." en "... verbreed sig tot die Westerschelde." byvoorbeeld? <ul><li>"zich" is in het Engels "himself/herself/itself", dus een Engelse zin kan zijn "Near Westervoort the IJssel branches itself from the Rhine". <ul><li>Voyageur, ek dink ek het 'n gemors gemaak van die riviere deel. Kan jy asb net daardeur gaan en kyk of jy iets kan red van my karige poging? --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 2 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking"></span>Ek dink ons hoef niks te wysig nie. -Voyageur</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>"'n dag waarop meer as 500km aan files ontstaan"聽? files? <ul><li>Verkeersopstopping waarbij een hele weg tot stilstand komt. Ik weet even geen Engelse vertaling, wel een Duitse: stau.</li></ul></li> <li>"dele van die land re毛lmatig gepraat" - Ek wil net doodseker maak: beteken re毛lmatig "omtrent oral" of "regularly" of iets anders dalk? <ul><li>Inderdaad iets als "regularly" of "frequently". "omtrent oral" zou een contradictie in terminologie zijn, want zin zegt alleen in het oosten.</li></ul></li> <li>"in Limburg word dit veelal as prim锚re omgangstaal gebruik" veelal? <ul><li>mostly is het Engelse woord.</li></ul></li></ul> <p>Gaan asb my wysiging na dat ons seker kan wees dat ek nie beteknisverskil te weeg gebring het nie. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 2 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z-Dani毛l_se_bywerking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:09:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Doe ik, dank je voor het nalopen! <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gebruiker:Danielm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gebruiker:Danielm (bladsy bestaan nie)">Danielm</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:09:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:09:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:09:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Nog een vraagje over de wijziging van Nederlandstalige mark naar Nederlandse mark. Ik heb eigenlijk een voorkeur voor Nederlandstalige markt, omdat Belgi毛 niet Nederlands maar wel Nederlandstalig is (nou ja, 60% dan), en wel tot het marktgebied voor films uit Nederland behoort. Hetzelfde voor Engelstalige markt, die is groter dan alleen Engeland, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gebruiker:Danielm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gebruiker:Danielm (bladsy bestaan nie)">Danielm</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z-Alias-2005-09-02T10:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z"></span>Oeps, jammer. Verander dit asb. terug. Ek is nie doodseker ek weet na watter deel jy verwys nie. Ek maak 'n nuwe onderwerp in die geselshoekie oor hierdie woordkeuse. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 2 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alias-2005-09-02T16:25:00.000Z-Danielm-2005-09-02T13:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kultuur" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kultuur-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kultuur-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z"></span>Kultuur<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kultuur-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section's source code: Kultuur"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laurens-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z-Kultuur"></span>Ek kan nie skryf in Afrikaans nie... Maar ik hoop dat Afrikaanstaligen mij begrijpen. Ik heb een paar wijzingen aangebracht: Harry Mulisch wordt met 茅茅n L geschreven. De film waar Jan de Bont succes mee had (en ook zijn eerste film als regisseur) is niet Robocop maar de film Speed. Robocop is van Paul Verhoeven. Verder denk ik nog wel wat aanvullingen hebben maar helaas is mijn Afrikaans niet zo goed. Het hoofdstuk Musiek is ook niet up-to-date. Zo zijn bands als Doe Maar, Het Goede Doel niet erg recent te noemen, en zijn er op dit moment veel meer verschillende nederlandstalige groepen en artiesten bezig, van rap/hip-hop tot rock. Ik wil best proberen een stukje in het Nederlands hierover schrijven, misschien dat iemand dat in Afrikaans kan vertalen? </p> <dl><dd>Stel gerus hier op die besprekingsblad in Nederlands voor hoe ons dit kan verbeter dan pas ons dit na Afrikaans aan. Groete <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Laurens" title="Gebruiker:Laurens">Laurens</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Laurens-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z-Kultuur" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 9 Februarie 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laurens-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z-Kultuur"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laurens-2007-02-09T14:08:00.000Z-Kultuur"></span> <dl><dd>Hallo, Ik kom uit Nederland, dus helaas kan ik ook niet goed Afrikaans spreken, maar ik neem aan dat Afrikaanstaligen Nederlands kunnen begrijpen (net zoals wij Nederlanders Afrikaans meestal goed begrijpen). Ook ik heb een opmerking over cultuur: Met name de muziek is niet up-to-date. De typische "nederpop" van de jaren '90 is inderdaad een beetje minder, maar er is nog steeds veel Nederpop te vinden. o.a Bl酶f, Marco Borsato, Frans Bouwer en ga zo maar door. Maar dat betekent niet dat de hele Nederlandse muziekindustrie minder loopt. Er wordt nog steeds zeer veel muziek gemaakt in Nederland, zij het dan minder Nederlandstalig. Zo komt steeds meer Metal uit Nederland, zelfs 90% van de Gothic metal bandjes komen uit Nederland. Ook op het gebied van rock en progressieve rock (en metal) is Nederland groot. Zo staat Ayreon in iedere moderne progressive rock/metal top 3. Maar ook op anderen terreinen wordt er veel muziek gemaakt. Zo is er "Nederhiphop", hiphop uit Nederland (en mogelijk Nederlandstalig).</dd> <dd>Met vriendelijke groet,</dd> <dd><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Tenth_Plague" class="extiw" title="nl:Gebruiker:Tenth Plague">nl:Gebruiker:Tenth Plague</a> (31 januari 2008)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kroon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kroon-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kroon-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z"></span>Kroon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kroon-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section's source code: Kroon"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z-Kroon"></span>Onder dit hoofdstuk staat de ministers en hun staatssecretarissen samen de ministerraad vormen. In Nederland is het echter net iets anders. </p> <dl><dt>regering</dt> <dd>koningin & ministers: koningin is hiervan de voorzitter, echter alleen op papier en inzake ceremonies</dd> <dt>ministerraad</dt> <dd>de ministers; minister-president is voorzitter en de ministerraad als geheel draagt alle eindverantwoordelijkheid</dd> <dt>kabinet</dt> <dd>minister, inclusief minister-president en de staatssecretarissen; staatssecretarissen hebben geen stemrecht in de ministerraad, alleen een adviserende rol.</dd></dl> <p>De koningin heeft overigens (volgens sommige mensen zelfs te veel) macht na de verkiezingen. Zij is eindverantwoordelijke en beslissende factor in het aanstellen van de formateur en informateur, die de nieuwe coalitie en regering aan haar voordragen. Zij benoemt en kan weigeren. Dit gebeurt geheel achter gesloten deuren. Niemand weet dus hoeveel macht ze hier werkelijk gebruikt, of dat ze geheel afgaat op het advies van de formateur en informateur, vrijwel altijd lid van de aller grootste partij. (Dit laatste is wel het meest voor de hand liggend, maar ze kan hiervan dus in theorie eventueel afwijken.) </p><p>Vriendelijke groet uit Nederland, </p><p><a href="/wiki/Spesiaal:Bydraes/62.195.7.165" title="Spesiaal:Bydraes/62.195.7.165">62.195.7.165</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z-Kroon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 18 Julie 2009 (UTC)</a>, <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Mark_Coenraats" class="extiw" title="nl:Gebruiker:Mark Coenraats">Mark Coenraats</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z-Kroon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z-Kroon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcwf-2009-07-18T17:04:00.000Z-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z"></span>Sommige</i> mensen hebben daar problemen mee, Mark. De meesten hebben er helemaal geen probleem met het feit dat onze koninginnen deze taak al meer dan een eeuw beter vervuld hebben dan <i>sommige</i> politici. Vaak zijn die sommigen diezelfde sommigen. Ja, de koningin heeft macht, maar alleen als de politici het weer eens lelijk laten afweten. Zoals de Geer in 1940. <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Jcwf" title="Gebruiker:Jcwf">Jcwf</a> (<a href="/wiki/Gebruikerbespreking:Jcwf" title="Gebruikerbespreking:Jcwf">kontak</a>) <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Jcwf-2009-07-18T17:04:00.000Z-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 18 Julie 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcwf-2009-07-18T17:04:00.000Z-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcwf-2009-07-18T17:04:00.000Z-62.195.7.165-2009-07-18T14:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z"></span>Nieuwe sitatie sinds 10 oktober 2010<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section's source code: Nieuwe sitatie sinds 10 oktober 2010"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rodejong-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/L%C3%AAer:Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg/220px-Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="261" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg/330px-Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg/440px-Map_provinces_Netherlands-en.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="743" data-file-height="881"/></a><figcaption>Nederland (10.10.2010)</figcaption></figure> <p>Saba, Bonaire en Sint Eustatius zijn bijzondere gemeenten van Nederland geworden.--<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Rodejong" title="Gebruiker:Rodejong">Rodejong</a> (<a href="/wiki/Gebruikerbespreking:Rodejong" title="Gebruikerbespreking:Rodejong">kontak</a>) <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Rodejong-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 22 Januarie 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rodejong-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rodejong-2011-01-22T04:15:00.000Z-Nieuwe_sitatie_sinds_10_oktober_2010"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rotterdam" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rotterdam-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rotterdam-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z"></span>Rotterdam<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rotterdam-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section's source code: Rotterdam"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z-Rotterdam"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/L%C3%AAer:Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_(OORLOGSSCHADE)_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_%28OORLOGSSCHADE%29_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg/220px-Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_%28OORLOGSSCHADE%29_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="163" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_%28OORLOGSSCHADE%29_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg/330px-Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_%28OORLOGSSCHADE%29_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_%28OORLOGSSCHADE%29_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg/440px-Exterieur_OVERZICHT_NA_BOMBARDEMENT_%28OORLOGSSCHADE%29_-_Rotterdam_-_20264975_-_RCE.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1943" data-file-height="1437"/></a><figcaption>Rotterdam na 14 Mei 1940</figcaption></figure> <p>"die Nederlandse stad Rotterdam, is vernietig tydens 'n lugaanval deur die Luftwaffe." Dis onsin. Die stad is gedeeltelik gebombardeer, aangesien dit operasionele gebied was. Dit beteken nie dat die hele stad vernietig is nie. --<a href="/wiki/Spesiaal:Bydraes/105.4.1.52" title="Spesiaal:Bydraes/105.4.1.52">105.4.1.52</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z-Rotterdam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z-Rotterdam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z-Rotterdam"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z"></span>Ons sal by die goed nog uitkom, wees net geduldig, asseblief. Die Rotterdamse binnestad is natuurlik vernietig, net om die Nederlandse regering in die knie毛 te dwing. Dit was alles behalwe <i>Kollateralschaden</i> ("skade ten einde van 'n ho毛r doelstelling"). Groete. -- <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/L%C3%AAer:Flag_of_South_Africa.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Flag_of_South_Africa.svg/20px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Flag_of_South_Africa.svg/30px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Flag_of_South_Africa.svg/40px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></span>聽<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:SpesBona" title="Gebruiker:SpesBona">SpesBona</a> <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z-105.4.1.52-2020-04-29T07:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Voyageur-2020-04-29T21:46:00.000Z-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z"></span>Hier is 'n betroubare Rotterdamse bron met presiese beskrywings van die lugaanval en die skade wat berokken is: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.brandgrens.nl/en/the-bombing-of-rotterdam"><i>brandgrens.nl: The Bombing of Rotterdam</i></a> <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Voyageur" title="Gebruiker:Voyageur">Voyageur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Gebruikerbespreking:Voyageur" title="Gebruikerbespreking:Voyageur">kontak</a>) <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nederland#c-Voyageur-2020-04-29T21:46:00.000Z-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voyageur-2020-04-29T21:46:00.000Z-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voyageur-2020-04-29T21:46:00.000Z-SpesBona-2020-04-29T21:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Ontsluit van "<a dir="ltr" href="https://af.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&oldid=2381751">https://af.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nederland&oldid=2381751</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Die bladsy is laas op 31 Maart 2021 om 11:50 bygewerk.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Die teks is beskikbaar onder die lisensie <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/">Creative Commons Erkenning-Insgelyks Deel</a>. 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