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id="toc-Abiword-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Not all CAS provide graphing functionality</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul 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href="#Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Your comments in deletion log 18 feb</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-151.201.48.208" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#151.201.48.208"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>151.201.48.208</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-151.201.48.208-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cap" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cap"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Cap</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Cap-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Spreadsheets and Word Processors in List of open source software packages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>The term Free vs Freeware is not clear</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Added_links_to_free_software" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Added_links_to_free_software"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Added links to free software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Added_links_to_free_software-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Old change you made to FOSS on 6 Nov 2005</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chicago_Hot_Dogs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chicago_Hot_Dogs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Chicago Hot Dogs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Chicago_Hot_Dogs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Can you help take a look at the talk page of Xara Xtreme LX and Inkscape?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IBM_Model_M" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IBM_Model_M"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>IBM Model M</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-IBM_Model_M-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Comment_on_reversions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Comment_on_reversions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Comment on reversions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Comment_on_reversions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>MSO and OOo Alternatives</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Microscope_image_processing_-_links" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Microscope_image_processing_-_links"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Microscope image processing - links</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Microscope_image_processing_-_links-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Requested_moves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Requested_moves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Requested moves</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Requested_moves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bot_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bot_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Bot edits</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bot_edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IPA_Bot_suggestion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IPA_Bot_suggestion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>IPA Bot suggestion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-IPA_Bot_suggestion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_Talk_Pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_Talk_Pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>User Talk Pages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_Talk_Pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IPA_Bot" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IPA_Bot"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>IPA Bot</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-IPA_Bot-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_page_edits_by_KarBOT"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>User page edits by KarBOT</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Editing_Error_by_Karnesky"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Editing Error by Karnesky</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Helicon_Filter_notability" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Helicon_Filter_notability"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Helicon Filter notability</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Helicon_Filter_notability-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ThinkPad" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ThinkPad"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>ThinkPad</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ThinkPad-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thinkpad_criticism" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thinkpad_criticism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Thinkpad criticism</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thinkpad_criticism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-academic_dbs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#academic_dbs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>academic dbs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-academic_dbs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Aiglon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Aiglon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Aiglon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Aiglon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reference_Management_Software" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reference_Management_Software"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Reference Management Software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reference_Management_Software-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FlexPro" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#FlexPro"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>FlexPro</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-FlexPro-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mount_Hood_clr" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mount_Hood_clr"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Mount Hood clr</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mount_Hood_clr-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Your edit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Your_edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-reference_management_software_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#reference_management_software_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>reference management software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-reference_management_software_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GemIdent" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GemIdent"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>GemIdent</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-GemIdent-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Backup_software" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Backup_software"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Backup software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Backup_software-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_Backup_Software" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_Backup_Software"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>List of Backup Software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_Backup_Software-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bibliographic_software" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bibliographic_software"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Bibliographic software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Bibliographic_software-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_Backup_Software_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_Backup_Software_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>List of Backup Software</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_Backup_Software_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software_(2nd_nomination)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software_(2nd_nomination)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>AfD you commented on - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software_(2nd_nomination)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Replaceable fair use Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Red_Hot_from_Chicago" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Red_Hot_from_Chicago"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Red Hot from Chicago</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Red_Hot_from_Chicago-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Thanks for putting the merge discussion link on article = office suites</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ntfsprogs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ntfsprogs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>ntfsprogs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ntfsprogs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Civil" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Civil"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Civil</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Civil-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_comment_is_requested" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_comment_is_requested"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Your comment is requested</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Your_comment_is_requested-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Exidor</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Samba" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Samba"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Samba</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Samba-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deleted_image" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deleted_image"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Deleted image</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Deleted_image-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cites" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cites"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Cites</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Cites-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>File:Refbase logo.gif listed for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_open_source_software_packages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>List_of_open_source_software_packages</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-List_of_open_source_software_packages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Chicago Style Hot 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Again, welcome! --<a href="/wiki/User:MPerel" title="User:MPerel"><span style="color:#330000;">M</span><span style="color:#334400;">P</span><span style="color:#338800;">er</span><span style="color:#33cc00;">el </span></a><sup><small>( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPerel" title="User talk:MPerel"><span style="color:#11bb00;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPerel" title="Special:Contributions/MPerel"><span style="color:#3399FF;">contrib</span></a>)</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-MPerel-2005-10-24T23:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPerel-2005-10-24T23:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPerel-2005-10-24T23:17:00.000Z"></span> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z"></span>IPA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: IPA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z-IPA"></span>What advantage is there of equal-topic dis-ambiguation for IPA? Please explain. <a href="/wiki/User:Georgia_guy" title="User:Georgia guy">Georgia guy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z-IPA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z-IPA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z-IPA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z"></span>Redirects for TLA pages should be to disambiguation pages unless one abbreviation is used much more heavily than others. <a href="/wiki/US" class="mw-redirect" title="US">US</a> is a good example -- most people use it to refer to "United States." <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> is not. If you search the web or usenet, you get plenty of people talking about the beer & not the alphabet. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z"></span>Please be more specific. Among the first 500 results Google will reveal for IPA, how many are for the alphabet, how many are for the beer, and how many are for neither?? <a href="/wiki/User:Georgia_guy" title="User:Georgia guy">Georgia guy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z"></span>For first 100 hits on google groups (Usenet): <ul><li>Alphabet:26</li> <li>Beer:26</li> <li>Neither:48</li></ul></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z"></span>This means the alphabet and beer are tied, and together they are more than all the others combined (52 > 48.) <a href="/wiki/User:Georgia_guy" title="User:Georgia guy">Georgia guy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:36:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z"></span>And first 100 hits on google: <ul><li>Alphabet:21</li> <li>Beer:6</li> <li>Other:73 (!!!!)</li></ul></dd> <dd>The alphabet beats the beer by 3-4 times, but both are clobbered by others. The bottom-line is that IPA is an ambiguous three letter acronym that shouldn't be thougtlessly redirected to a single expansion of the acronym. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:36:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:36:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2005-12-28T02:36:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Dis-ambiguation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dis-ambiguation-IPA-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dis-ambiguation-IPA-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z"></span>Dis-ambiguation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dis-ambiguation-IPA-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Dis-ambiguation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z-Dis-ambiguation"></span>Are you going to change lots of links from <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> to <a href="/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet" title="International Phonetic Alphabet">International Phonetic Alphabet</a>?? I think this means you should operate a bot. <a href="/wiki/User:Georgia_guy" title="User:Georgia guy">Georgia guy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z-Dis-ambiguation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z-Dis-ambiguation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgia_guy-2005-12-28T02:53:00.000Z-Dis-ambiguation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dr._Divx" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dr._Divx-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dr._Divx-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z"></span>Dr. Divx<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dr._Divx-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Dr. Divx"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z-Dr._Divx"></span>Dr. Divx is released under LGPL (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/drdivx/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/drdivx/</a>) that is OSI approved. May I re-add it to <a href="/wiki/List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="mw-redirect" title="List of open source software packages">List of open source software packages</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Armando82" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Armando82">Armando82</a> 5 January 2005 </p> <dl><dd>Yeah, I guess. You might link directly to the sourceforge project page and/or contact whoever runs <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://labs.divx.com/">[1]</a> w.r.t. their prominent "NO COMMERCIAL USE: This License Agreement grants you the right to use the Software for personal use only in order to evaluate and provide feedback about it to DivX, Inc. Commercial use of the Software or of the work products resulting from its use is not permitted under this License Agreement."</dd> <dd>Also: I am going to start culling all entries that don't at least have stubs. So you might write a stub up soon. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z-Dr._Divx" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z-Dr._Divx"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-01-05T01:10:00.000Z-Dr._Divx"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abiword" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abiword-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abiword-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z"></span>Abiword<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abiword-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Abiword"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThomasHarte-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z-Abiword"></span>With regard to your revert of my earlier edit concerning the OS X version, "(although this version shows severe graphical corruption)", I would be grateful if you would respond to the discussion that I have just begun on the Abiword talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:ThomasHarte" title="User:ThomasHarte">ThomasHarte</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-ThomasHarte-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z-Abiword" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThomasHarte-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z-Abiword"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThomasHarte-2006-01-15T21:33:00.000Z-Abiword"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z"></span>Not all CAS provide graphing functionality<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Not all CAS provide graphing functionality"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality"></span>Hi Karnesky, I would question the utility of your recent edit, reverting the computer algebra system section on the <a href="/wiki/List_of_graphing_software" class="mw-redirect" title="List of graphing software">List of graphing software</a> page to <a href="/wiki/List_of_free_game_software" class="mw-redirect" title="List of free game software">List of free game software</a> (sic). I understand it was your intention to direct users of that section to <a href="/wiki/List_of_computer_algebra_systems" title="List of computer algebra systems">List of computer algebra systems</a>. However, even that may be a short shot, because not all computer algebra systems have graphing functionality (<a href="/wiki/Mathomatic" title="Mathomatic">Mathomatic</a>, for one, does not), so I shall be reverting your edit until further discussion. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Samsara" title="User:Samsara">Samsara</a> <sub><span style="text-decoration:none"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Samsara" title="Special:Contributions/Samsara">contrib</a></span></sub> <sup><span style="position: relative; left: -36px; margin-right: -36px; text-decoration:none;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samsara" title="User talk:Samsara">talk</a></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z-Not_all_CAS_provide_graphing_functionality"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-01-26T02:10:00.000Z-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z"></span>I'll reply at <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_graphing_software" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:List of graphing software">Talk:List of graphing software</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-01-26T02:10:00.000Z-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-01-26T02:10:00.000Z-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-01-26T02:10:00.000Z-Samsara-2006-01-26T01:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FList_of_UML_tools"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MacGyverMagic-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"></span>Those links can be deleted. Please reconsider your vote for an article with the external links removed. - <a href="/wiki/User:MacGyverMagic" title="User:MacGyverMagic">Mgm</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MacGyverMagic" title="User talk:MacGyverMagic"><sup>(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-MacGyverMagic-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MacGyverMagic-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MacGyverMagic-2006-02-06T09:46:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-06T09:53:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"></span>May I ask you to reconsider your AfD vote on <a href="/wiki/List_of_UML_tools" class="mw-redirect" title="List of UML tools">List of UML tools</a>? I have stated some arguments to review on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools</a>. Thank you for your careful sonsideration. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Adrian_Buehlmann&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Adrian Buehlmann (page does not exist)">Adrian Buehlmann</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-06T09:53:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-06T09:53:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-06T09:53:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_UML_tools"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_UML_tools" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_UML_tools-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_UML_tools-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z"></span>List of UML tools<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_UML_tools-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: List of UML tools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z-List_of_UML_tools"></span>Per <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_UML_tools&diff=39145668&oldid=39145460">your removal of the link to cetus</a> (a wideley known historic authority on object oriented design) on <a href="/wiki/List_of_UML_tools" class="mw-redirect" title="List of UML tools">List of UML tools</a> you might want to consider <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Cite_sources/example_style&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style#Web sites and articles (not from periodicals)</a> which states "Because the Web is dynamic, it is possible that a web page used as a reference may become inactive. Do not remove such inactive references—even inactive, they still record the sources that were used. Make a note of the date that the original link was found to be inactive. If an Internet Archive copy of the page is known, add a link to that." --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Adrian_Buehlmann&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Adrian Buehlmann (page does not exist)">Adrian Buehlmann</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z-List_of_UML_tools" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z-List_of_UML_tools"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z-List_of_UML_tools"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-02-11T15:55:00.000Z-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z"></span>That gives good advice for external pages which were cited by the article. I don't think it is good advice for the External links section of an article. If you used that page as a source, perhaps you should re-section the link. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-02-11T15:55:00.000Z-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-02-11T15:55:00.000Z-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-02-11T15:55:00.000Z-Adrian_Buehlmann-2006-02-11T08:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1800flowers=" data-mw-thread-id="h-1800flowers=-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z"><span id="1800flowers.3D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1800flowers=-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z"></span>1800flowers=<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1800flowers=-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: 1800flowers="><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carlossuarez46-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z-1800flowers="></span>Good catch, thanks. I usually check out business websites on the delete list and if they have no obvious "Investor Relations" link, I assume that they are not publicly traded in the US due to the Sarbanes-Oxley regime of "open access", here the link was hidden way down in the mouse-text. So I changed my vote (yeah, it's not a vote), obviously. <a href="/wiki/User:Carlossuarez46" title="User:Carlossuarez46">Carlossuarez46</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Carlossuarez46-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z-1800flowers=" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carlossuarez46-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z-1800flowers="><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carlossuarez46-2006-02-16T01:53:00.000Z-1800flowers="></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z"></span>Your comments in deletion log 18 feb<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Your comments in deletion log 18 feb"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crea7or-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb"></span>Ya ne znau ludei kto by ne sovershal oshibok, ya tochno takge ih sovershau i na etom uchus'. nadeus' eto ponyatno. Da, ya avtor program s kotoruh Fomine slizal wneshni vid i prakticheski vse fichi, i posle togo kak on dobavil svoi stranici ya reshil dobavit' svoi - raz eto pozvolaetsya ( podumal ya ). Moi udalali, v tom chisle vse ssylki na razlichnye free tips-and-tricks ( konechno podhodyashie dlya statei ). Perfecto s licemeril skazav cho eto nepravilno no ostavil vse ostalnye linki - ego delo. V obshem poetomu ya vystavil softros i foime na udalenie kak uvidel ob'yavlenie v nachale stanici "If you are familiar with the content of the external links, please help by removing commercial links, in accordance with Wikipedia:External links". Nadeus vy menya ponimaete. Spasibo. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Crea7or&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Crea7or (page does not exist)">Crea7or</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Crea7or-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crea7or-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crea7or-2006-02-20T17:28:00.000Z-Your_comments_in_deletion_log_18_feb"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="151.201.48.208" data-mw-thread-id="h-151.201.48.208-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-151.201.48.208-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z"></span>151.201.48.208<span data-mw-comment-end="h-151.201.48.208-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: 151.201.48.208"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z-151.201.48.208"></span>151.201.48.208 is definitely a sock puppet, and is pretty clearly so, however, the template that you put on his page says that they were indefinitely blocked and all, yet the admin haven't done anything about it yet, so another template would be appropriate for now until it's been done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Atari2600tim" title="User:Atari2600tim">Atari2600tim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atari2600tim" title="User talk:Atari2600tim">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Atari2600tim" title="Special:Contributions/Atari2600tim">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z-151.201.48.208" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z-151.201.48.208"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z-151.201.48.208"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-02-22T02:24:00.000Z-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z"></span>I just noticed the template message & am about to change it. Thanks, though. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-02-22T02:24:00.000Z-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-02-22T02:24:00.000Z-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-02-22T02:24:00.000Z-Atari2600tim-2006-02-22T02:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cap" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cap-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cap-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z"></span>Cap<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cap-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Cap"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Where-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z-Cap"></span>I will do that for future cats that I make. Thanks for the tip! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Where" title="User:Where"><span style="color:blue;">Wh</span></a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza"><span style="color:lime;">e</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Where" title="User:Where"><span style="color:blue;">re</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Where" title="User talk:Where"><span style="color:#0099FF;">(talk)</span></a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Where-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z-Cap" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Where-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z-Cap"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Where-2006-02-25T01:05:00.000Z-Cap"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z"></span>Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xtra-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z-Deletion"></span>I thought that had closed??? In any event it is a duplicate and wildly NN. <a href="/wiki/User:Xtra" title="User:Xtra">Xtra</a> 05:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC) I thought the reason the person created the new article was to avoid the old VfD, which is clearly going to (I thought already had) delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Xtra" title="User:Xtra">Xtra</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Xtra-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z-Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xtra-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z-Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xtra-2006-02-25T05:58:00.000Z-Deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Spreadsheets and Word Processors in <a href="/wiki/List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="mw-redirect" title="List of open source software packages">List of open source software packages</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Spreadsheets and Word Processors in List of open source software packages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages"></span>All of the spreadsheets and word processors in <a href="/wiki/List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="mw-redirect" title="List of open source software packages">List of open source software packages</a> are listed in an office suite in <a href="/wiki/Category:Free_office_suites" title="Category:Free office suites">Category:Free office suites</a>. I thus think that these sections are redundant. If you still want to keep them though, I'll give in. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Where" title="User:Where"><span style="color:blue;">Wh</span></a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza"><span style="color:#0AB20D;">e</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Where" title="User:Where"><span style="color:blue;">re</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Where" title="User talk:Where"><span style="color:#0099FF;">(talk)</span></a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z-Spreadsheets_and_Word_Processors_in_List_of_open_source_software_packages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Where-2006-02-25T14:51:00.000Z-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for dicussing this. Good points; I agree. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Where" title="User:Where"><span style="color:blue;">Wh</span></a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza"><span style="color:#0AB20D;">e</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Where" title="User:Where"><span style="color:blue;">re</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Where" title="User talk:Where"><span style="color:#0099FF;">(talk)</span></a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Where-2006-02-25T14:51:00.000Z-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Where-2006-02-25T14:51:00.000Z-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Where-2006-02-25T14:51:00.000Z-Where-2006-02-25T14:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"></span>The term Free vs Freeware is not clear<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: The term Free vs Freeware is not clear"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear"></span>Lately I believe there is re-organizing of categories of software going on. Most open source software are now re-grouped under the "Free" + "whatever type of software". But is it a good idea to call them 'Free' but not 'Open source'? -- Because to laymen, they may not understand the meaning of Free and will regard it as Freeware. </p><p>Case in point, IBM now offers DB2 as free (freeware) database and should we use the term "Free database management system" to categorize DB2 as well? I will suggest use the term open source instead of free to avoid confusion. While "Free software" is a well-recognized term as it has been used a lot in the media, "Free database management system" does not imply anything open source because the term "Free", when used <i>alone</i>, is still ambigous. - <a href="/wiki/User:Zero0w" title="User:Zero0w">Zero0w</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z-The_term_Free_vs_Freeware_is_not_clear"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Zero0w above that categorising open source software as free is confusing (and I'm a long-standing Linux fan currently typing this on a Kubuntu machine). When I saw you had recategorised <a href="/w/index.php?title=@Mail&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="@Mail (page does not exist)">@Mail</a> as Free, I went to their website expecting to find an announcement that it was available without charge.-<a href="/wiki/User:Gadfium" title="User:Gadfium">gadfium</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-02-27T01:20:00.000Z-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z"></span>Discussion has been moved to <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Free_software#Free_vs._open_source" title="Category talk:Free software">Category_talk:Free_software#Free vs. open source</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-02-27T01:20:00.000Z-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-02-27T01:20:00.000Z-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-02-27T01:20:00.000Z-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:31:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the clarification.-<a href="/wiki/User:Gadfium" title="User:Gadfium">gadfium</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:31:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:31:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadfium-2006-02-27T01:31:00.000Z-Zero0w-2006-02-26T10:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Added_links_to_free_software" data-mw-thread-id="h-Added_links_to_free_software-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Added_links_to_free_software-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"></span>Added links to free software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Added_links_to_free_software-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Added links to free software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software"></span>Hi, you reversed a change I made on the <a href="/wiki/Microscope_image_processing" title="Microscope image processing">Microscope image processing</a> page. I had added a link to <a href="/wiki/CellProfiler" title="CellProfiler">CellProfiler</a> software, a project I was involved in starting - I am not sure why it was removed, although the notation 'rv ad' I think means you might have considered it an ad? If so, it's not commercial software and other than NIH Image/ImageJ (whose link I just added also), it is the only free software for this application. So, I think it's nice to have them both linked. I hope you agree! Have a nice day. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:18.4.1.76&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:18.4.1.76 (page does not exist)">18.4.1.76</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)</a>anniebiogirl<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-03-14T21:04:00.000Z-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"></span>Replying here, since you didn't sign in when you added that. It was nothing against CellProfiler, in particular. It was just the list of software was getting somewhat long & the phrasing seemed to be such to attract spam. I have taken a more agressive cleanup of removing ALL software & suggesting that, if it is to be re-added, it go in a new section (or, preferably, a new cat be setup for all analysis programs). --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-03-14T21:04:00.000Z-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-03-14T21:04:00.000Z-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-03-14T21:04:00.000Z-18.4.1.76-2006-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anniebiogirl-2006-03-22T21:16:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software"></span>Hi, good idea. I just added both free programs, <a href="/wiki/CellProfiler" title="CellProfiler">CellProfiler</a> and <a href="/wiki/ImageJ" title="ImageJ">ImageJ</a> to the <a href="/wiki/List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="mw-redirect" title="List of open source software packages">List_of_open_source_software_packages</a> page. Adding a list to the bottom of the <a href="/wiki/Microscope_image_processing" title="Microscope image processing">Microscope image processing</a> page would still be a good idea I think, since the open-source page will of course not list the commercial software. But I am not confident enough in my ability to add things to pages and I am not sure if that's exactly what you were suggesting, so perhaps I will leave it up to you to start a list? Thanks, --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anniebiogirl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anniebiogirl (page does not exist)">User:Anniebiogirl</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anniebiogirl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anniebiogirl (page does not exist)">Anniebiogirl</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Anniebiogirl-2006-03-22T21:16:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anniebiogirl-2006-03-22T21:16:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anniebiogirl-2006-03-22T21:16:00.000Z-Added_links_to_free_software"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005"></span>Old change you made to <a href="/wiki/FOSS" class="mw-redirect" title="FOSS">FOSS</a> on 6 Nov 2005<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_change_you_made_to_FOSS_on_6_Nov_2005"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Old change you made to FOSS on 6 Nov 2005"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I was not watching the page. Please see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Free_and_Open_Source_Software">my additions to the talk page</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chicago_Hot_Dogs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chicago_Hot_Dogs-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chicago_Hot_Dogs-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z"></span>Chicago Hot Dogs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chicago_Hot_Dogs-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Chicago Hot Dogs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yukirat-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z-Chicago_Hot_Dogs"></span>Hot dogs may be boiled, for sure, but "chicago hot dogs" are supposed to be steamed below the boiling point. All Chicago hot dogs stands cook dogs using steam heat, well below the boiling point, not boiling water. Can you fix it? Thanks.<a href="/wiki/User:Yukirat" title="User:Yukirat">Yukirat</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Yukirat-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z-Chicago_Hot_Dogs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yukirat-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z-Chicago_Hot_Dogs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yukirat-2006-06-29T06:10:00.000Z-Chicago_Hot_Dogs"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z"><span id="Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z"></span>Can you help take a look at the talk page of Xara Xtreme LX and Inkscape?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Can you help take a look at the talk page of Xara Xtreme LX and Inkscape?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0w-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?"></span>Karnesky, can you help take a look at the talk pages of <a href="/wiki/Talk:Xara_Xtreme_LX" title="Talk:Xara Xtreme LX">Talk:Xara Xtreme LX</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Inkscape" title="Talk:Inkscape">Talk:Inkscape</a>? I disagree with <a href="/wiki/User:Chealer" title="User:Chealer">Chealer</a> on whether certain external links should be kept on both articles. And I believe we can't come to agreement based on lack of objective "relevance" criteria from the discussion. In many case, it's just calling of "not sufficiently relevant" and no further discussion on that. Can you help take a look? Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Zero0w" title="User:Zero0w">Zero0w</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Zero0w-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0w-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0w-2006-07-08T08:12:00.000Z-Can_you_help_take_a_look_at_the_talk_page_of_Xara_Xtreme_LX_and_Inkscape?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IBM_Model_M" data-mw-thread-id="h-IBM_Model_M-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IBM_Model_M-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z"></span>IBM Model M<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IBM_Model_M-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: IBM Model M"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MasterKat-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z-IBM_Model_M"></span>Karnesky, i would like to know your reasoning behind the repeated removal of the link to my IBM Model M forum? it pertains to the topic 100%, it is valid to the subject. i have tried to email you twice for an explanation yet you refuse to reply. do you have something against me trying to gather fans of these great keyboards together in one place? i will also point out your reason for removal is "not notable". have you bothered to check modelm.org and notice that it has been broken for well over a year and has no contact information? </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MasterKat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MasterKat (page does not exist)">MasterKat</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-MasterKat-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z-IBM_Model_M" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MasterKat-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z-IBM_Model_M"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MasterKat-2006-07-22T07:49:00.000Z-IBM_Model_M"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comment_on_reversions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comment_on_reversions-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comment_on_reversions-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z"></span>Comment on reversions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comment_on_reversions-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Comment on reversions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions"></span>You know that you should add comments on reversions, don't you? Just reverting the changes of others who are themselves not violating wikipedia rules is considered vandalism. As I see on this page you are doing this regularly. Please stop doing this and add comments to reversions in the future. Thank you! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RobertRezabek&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RobertRezabek (page does not exist)">RobertRezabek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RobertRezabek" title="User talk:RobertRezabek">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RobertRezabek" title="Special:Contributions/RobertRezabek">contribs</a>) </span></small> </p> <dl><dd>I do leave comments on a majority of my edits, including those listed on this page. I also left a comment regarding your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7-Zip&diff=prev&oldid=65917731">spamming a non notable link</a> on the 7-zip page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-07-27T11:50:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RobertRezabek-2006-07-27T12:21:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions"></span>Yes, it's true, I am the developer of the program in question. If I wanted to conceal this fact, I wouldn't have used my real name, would I? You may not know this, but BetterZip is the <i>only</i> 7-zip program with a graphical user interface comparable to Igor's Windows program for the Mac. So, I do think that it is a relevant link and definitely not spam. Are you some higher instance on Wikipedia that has some sort of democratically assigned power to declare other user's additions as spam? (This is not meant as cynicism, I really just don't know).--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RobertRezabek&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RobertRezabek (page does not exist)">RobertRezabek</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-RobertRezabek-2006-07-27T12:21:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RobertRezabek-2006-07-27T12:21:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RobertRezabek-2006-07-27T12:21:00.000Z-Comment_on_reversions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives" data-mw-thread-id="h-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z"></span>MSO and OOo Alternatives<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: MSO and OOo Alternatives"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives"></span>Neither article needs this section: It is not Wikipedia's role to provide a list of lesser-known products on a popular product page. The <a href="/wiki/Microsoft_Office" title="Microsoft Office">Microsoft Office</a> article already links to articles on both <a href="/wiki/OpenOffice.org" title="OpenOffice.org">OpenOffice.org</a> (the most popular alternative) and <a href="/wiki/List_of_office_suites" title="List of office suites">List of office suites</a> (everything else). Oo.o already links to Microsoft Office (the most popular alternative) and <a href="/wiki/NeoOffice" title="NeoOffice">NeoOffice</a> (a Macintosh-native port). If there are more native ports, it makes sense to link to them too. But attempting to synchronize a list of office suites across multiple articles is neither necessary nor particularly maintainable. Additionally, I proposed this merge on the MSO article some time ago. The right time to discuss it would have been then, rather than reverting after I finally got around to doing it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sdfisher" title="User:Sdfisher">Steven Fisher</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z-MSO_and_OOo_Alternatives"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z"></span>You didn't post a discussion for the merge, which would have been appropriate. The merge tage was up for about a week, which is really the bare minimum to perform the change with no discussion. I think it is worth discussing the point. The section has been in the articles for some time with discussion of how to keep it non-biased, rather than whether or not it belongs. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T16:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T18:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z"></span>(My reply removed.) I see you've created a talk section on this. I've moved my points there. Thank you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sdfisher" title="User:Sdfisher">Steven Fisher</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T18:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T18:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdfisher-2006-07-31T18:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-07-31T17:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Microscope_image_processing_-_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Microscope_image_processing_-_links-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Microscope_image_processing_-_links-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z"></span>Microscope image processing - links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Microscope_image_processing_-_links-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Microscope image processing - links"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z-Microscope_image_processing_-_links"></span>Hi, you removed links from "Microscope image processing" which I just added to resources which contain information on digital microsocopy. How to define their (ir-)relevance and justify their validity (or not) for inclusion/exclusion on this page?<a href="/wiki/User:Pvosta" title="User:Pvosta">Pvosta</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z-Microscope_image_processing_-_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z-Microscope_image_processing_-_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z-Microscope_image_processing_-_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z"></span>Many of the links were about microscopy in general, and not image processing in particular. This is particularly a problem for pages that are just lists of links. Furthermore, The number of external links in that article was getting excessive. I think the links which are currently there are pretty good--topical & informative. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z"></span>Karnesky, thank you for the clarification and helping a newbie.<a href="/wiki/User:Pvosta" title="User:Pvosta">Pvosta</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pvosta-2006-09-13T14:57:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-13T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_moves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_moves-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_moves-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z"></span>Requested moves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_moves-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Requested moves"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z-Requested_moves"></span>You removed a bunch of entries from the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Requested moves</a> page <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves&diff=next&oldid=75524837">here</a>, though I'm not seeing any action on them nor outright rejections. Was this a mistake, or am I missing something? --<a href="/wiki/User:Calton" title="User:Calton">Calton</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calton" title="User talk:Calton">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z-Requested_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z-Requested_moves"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z-Requested_moves"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-14T00:15:00.000Z-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z"></span>It definitely wasn't intentional. Thanks for catching it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-09-14T00:15:00.000Z-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-14T00:15:00.000Z-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-09-14T00:15:00.000Z-Calton-2006-09-14T00:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bot_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_edits-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bot_edits-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z"></span>Bot edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bot_edits-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Bot edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z-Bot_edits"></span>Hi there - Just a friendly note here. I hope you don't mind that I added <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AKarBOT&diff=76120878&oldid=76098998">this edit</a> to <a href="/wiki/User:KarBOT" title="User:KarBOT">User:KarBOT</a> - I was about to block it until I realized that there was some discussion about its operation. See you around! --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z-Bot_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z-Bot_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z-Bot_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-16T22:29:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z"></span>Many thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-09-16T22:29:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-16T22:29:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-09-16T22:29:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2006-09-16T22:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA_Bot_suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA_Bot_suggestion-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA_Bot_suggestion-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z"></span>IPA Bot suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA_Bot_suggestion-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: IPA Bot suggestion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamunknown-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z-IPA_Bot_suggestion"></span>I have seen some articles with a pronounciation as </p> <dl><dd>(<a href="/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet" title="International Phonetic Alphabet">International Phonetic Alphabet</a>: [pei˨˩˦ tɕɪŋ˥˥]).</dd></dl> <p>You may consider adding this to your bots' automatic disambiguation. --<a href="/wiki/User:Iamunknown" title="User:Iamunknown">Iamunknown</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Iamunknown-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z-IPA_Bot_suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamunknown-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z-IPA_Bot_suggestion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamunknown-2006-09-17T00:57:00.000Z-IPA_Bot_suggestion"></span><br/> <i>Note: The <a href="/wiki/Beijing" title="Beijing">Beijing</a> article is not an example of this. I used the IPA pronouncation of Beijing as an example to fill the brackets.</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_Talk_Pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_Talk_Pages-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_Talk_Pages-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z"></span>User Talk Pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_Talk_Pages-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: User Talk Pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z-User_Talk_Pages"></span>I see that KarBot is editing User Talk Pages. Is this deliberate? <a href="/wiki/User:Bluap" title="User:Bluap">Bluap</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z-User_Talk_Pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z-User_Talk_Pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z-User_Talk_Pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T14:23:00.000Z-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z"></span>Yes. There is a desire to expand <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> in all namesspaces. Let me know if specific pages should be excluded. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T14:23:00.000Z-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T14:23:00.000Z-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T14:23:00.000Z-Bluap-2006-09-17T13:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA_Bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA_Bot-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA_Bot-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z"></span>IPA Bot<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA_Bot-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: IPA Bot"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z-IPA_Bot"></span>Considering that <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> already directs to <a href="/wiki/International_phonetic_alphabet" class="mw-redirect" title="International phonetic alphabet">International phonetic alphabet</a>, isn't it sort of pointless to have Karbot fix the links? <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">AEuSoes1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z-IPA_Bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z-IPA_Bot"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z-IPA_Bot"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z"></span>There is a proposal to no longer have that redirect, as "IPA" more often than not refers to something other than the alphabet. Even if the proposal is not accepted, this was not pointlss. In addition to removing the redirect: <ul><li>There were dozens of articles that used <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> to refer to something other than the alphabet</li> <li>Articles were made more consistent through the use of the IPA2 template. This has a link to <a href="/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet" title="International Phonetic Alphabet">IPA</a>, eliminates differences in delimiters ('//' vs '[]'), etc.</li></ul></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T21:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T23:43:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span>All right, sounds good to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">AEuSoes1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T23:43:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T23:43:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2006-09-17T23:43:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_page_edits_by_KarBOT" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z"></span>User page edits by KarBOT<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: User page edits by KarBOT"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT"></span>Please restrict KarBOT to main namespace articles only. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Arj" title="User:Arj">arj</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z-User_page_edits_by_KarBOT"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for your concern. KarBOT was authorized for a one time run, which it has already completed, so I don't think you have anything to worry about in the future. There was some use of <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> outside of the main namespace (some of which didn't refer to the alphabet) which I chose to carefully (through manual assistance) cleanup. I am not aware of any mistaken edits outside the main space & your own page seems fine. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks again for your concern. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z-Arj-2006-09-18T17:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-2006-09-20T04:59:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z"></span>Please, if you are doing bots in the future, leave talk pages and talk page archives alone, especially in user space. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Jmabel-2006-09-20T04:59:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-2006-09-20T04:59:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-2006-09-20T04:59:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-09-18T17:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Editing_Error_by_Karnesky" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z"></span>Editing Error by Karnesky<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Editing Error by Karnesky"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Funhistory-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky"></span>Please revisit <a href="/wiki/Quidam" title="Quidam">Quidam</a>; I had to revert your edits today because you apparently inadvertently deleted a significant portion of the bottom of the page's content. It seems like you were only trying to do something with the <a href="/wiki/IPA" class="mw-disambig" title="IPA">IPA</a> tag though. Please be more careful next time.--<a href="/wiki/User:Funhistory" title="User:Funhistory">Funhistory</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Funhistory-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Funhistory-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Funhistory-2006-11-14T04:42:00.000Z-Editing_Error_by_Karnesky"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Helicon_Filter_notability" data-mw-thread-id="h-Helicon_Filter_notability-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Helicon_Filter_notability-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Helicon_Filter" title="Helicon Filter">Helicon Filter</a> notability<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Helicon_Filter_notability-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Helicon Filter notability"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Althepal-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z-Helicon_Filter_notability"></span>Hi, Karnesky. If you google "helicon filter", you'll find that the search yields about 80,000 hits. As such, it seems to meet notability standards implied by the constituency of the <a href="/wiki/List_of_raster_graphics_editors" class="mw-redirect" title="List of raster graphics editors">list of raster graphics editors</a>, which includes software such as <a href="/wiki/Ability_Photopaint" class="mw-redirect" title="Ability Photopaint">Ability Photopaint</a> (19,100 hits), <a href="/wiki/CodedColor" class="mw-redirect" title="CodedColor">CodedColor</a> (96,600), <a href="/wiki/ACD_Canvas" class="mw-redirect" title="ACD Canvas">ACD Canvas</a> (25,400), and <a href="/wiki/WinImages" title="WinImages">WinImages</a> (17,400). I got this software a few weeks ago, and it certainly matches the quality and comprehensiveness of leading photo-editing software. It's fairly competitive and has received considerable public coverage and exposure (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_53/essay.html">here</a>, for example). (By the way, I found a photozone poll that indicates that Helicon Filter is the fifth most popular tool for noise and grain reduction <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.photozone.de/active/poll/showresults4all.jsp">[2]</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Althepal" title="User:Althepal">Althepal</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Althepal-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z-Helicon_Filter_notability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Althepal-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z-Helicon_Filter_notability"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Althepal-2006-11-19T21:34:00.000Z-Helicon_Filter_notability"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ThinkPad" data-mw-thread-id="h-ThinkPad-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ThinkPad-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z"></span>ThinkPad<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ThinkPad-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: ThinkPad"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z-ThinkPad"></span>My interpretation is that the category IBM hardware is about machines that IBM built and IBM built IBM ThinkPads. Whatever Lenovo does with ThinkPads will be in some new article; I would not expect this article to be updated for Lenovo products. If we apply the logic "sold, so it's not IBM anymore", then a lot of IBM history disappears -- all the Time Division clocks for example. </p><p>Alternately, if you believe the article is not about IBM ThinkPads, then shouldn't we remove the IBM hardware category? </p><p>thanks, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:69.106.234.9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:69.106.234.9 (page does not exist)">69.106.234.9</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z-ThinkPad" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z-ThinkPad"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z-ThinkPad"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z"></span>Please see the talk page for discussion prior to the move. The article already talks about Lenovo (in addition to IBM). The cat is a different discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T06:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T17:38:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z"></span>Yes, Lenovo is already in the article. But it should be done as a transition or the article split. Anyway, none of this is significant, it will all get straightened out in 5 years or so. Thanks again.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:69.106.234.9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:69.106.234.9 (page does not exist)">69.106.234.9</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T17:38:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T17:38:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-69.106.234.9-2006-11-23T17:38:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-11-23T15:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thinkpad_criticism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thinkpad_criticism-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thinkpad_criticism-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z"></span>Thinkpad criticism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thinkpad_criticism-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Thinkpad criticism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z-Thinkpad_criticism"></span>I already expressed my points in the <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:ThinkPad#Reverts">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:ThinkPad#Reverts</a> . Your modifications were biased and you are so radical to any negative messages for Thinkpad. I have to keep it right to keep the integrity of wikipedia. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liao" title="User:Liao">Leo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z-Thinkpad_criticism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z-Thinkpad_criticism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z-Thinkpad_criticism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-25T03:23:00.000Z-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z"></span>I have assumed good faith on your part & expect the same in return (particularly as I've added both positive and negative messages to the article & you have only added negative messages). --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-12-25T03:23:00.000Z-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-25T03:23:00.000Z-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-12-25T03:23:00.000Z-Liao-2006-12-25T02:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="academic_dbs" data-mw-thread-id="h-academic_dbs-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-academic_dbs-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"></span>academic dbs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-academic_dbs-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: academic dbs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z-academic_dbs"></span>Karnesky, can you explain to me the logic for not linking directly to the dtabases from the list, but making the user go first to the page for the specific database, and only then to the link? <a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z-academic_dbs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z-academic_dbs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z-academic_dbs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"></span>This is fairly common practice for list pages--it prevents accusations of being a link directory/WP:NOT a list of links, prevents spam, etc. It also directs people to the article, which will have the most up-to-date link for the subject matter at hand (pages with many external links tend to fall out of date do to poor maintenance if URLs change). Can you explain any objections to this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z"></span>I have replied on the article page, to centralize discussion there. Before making this many changes, no matter how justified you thought you are, you should have consulted first--and then we wouldnt need all this. I think perhaps we could be useful allies, in a sense, because I too like to get rid of junk. <a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-03T03:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T02:14:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z"></span>I'll continue to follow <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> & encourage you to do the same. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T02:14:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T02:14:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T02:14:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T02:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"></span>I have apologized on my user talk page for some language I should not have used even in User space. Not to let that prejudice the discussion, there are many pieces of advice given in the policys etc about cooperative editing--I know I get my way more if I talk first ;) and it does getting people all annoyed and nastier than the occassion warrants..;)<a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-03T03:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T17:43:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z"></span>Thanks again for the apology. I'm not so concerned about getting my way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T17:43:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T17:43:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-12-04T17:43:00.000Z-DGG-2006-12-04T04:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aiglon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aiglon-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aiglon-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z"></span>Aiglon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aiglon-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Aiglon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z-Aiglon"></span>a listing without an article is the way to do it. They're worth a mention, & your preference to not list ones without an article isn't policy. BOLD does not equal revert wars. Main reason I want to list them is to be able to deal with complaints by showing we have flexibility. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z-Aiglon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z-Aiglon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z-Aiglon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z"></span>I still maintain that we need some objective criteria to keep the lists clean. In the specific case of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Aigaion&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Aigaion (page does not exist)">Aigaion</a>, I suggested that the author rewrite the page, so this should be moot. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z-DGG-2007-01-05T01:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wietseb-2007-01-10T14:35:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Hi, I am working on a rewrite of the article. Will probably put it up in main space on Monday, 15th. Please have a look at it at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wietseb/Sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wietseb/Sandbox (page does not exist)">User:Wietseb/Sandbox</a>. Thanks for any comments, <a href="/wiki/User:Wietseb" title="User:Wietseb">Wietseb</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Wietseb-2007-01-10T14:35:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wietseb-2007-01-10T14:35:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wietseb-2007-01-10T14:35:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-01-05T02:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reference_Management_Software" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reference_Management_Software-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reference_Management_Software-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z"></span>Reference Management Software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reference_Management_Software-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Reference Management Software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"></span>Hi, Excellent idea of categorizing the reference software managers. One suggestion: Maybe rename the PHP category to web-based or something like that? The systems (well, at least Aigaion :-)) not only use PHP, but also mysql, javascript, ajax, ... <a href="/wiki/User:Wietseb" title="User:Wietseb">Wietseb</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-02-16T14:15:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z"></span>My reasoning was that the <i>primary</i> languages is PHP (all have MySQL & javascript and refbase even has a perl command line interface). I also wanted to differentiate these from (i)the tools which are primarily web services (Connotea) and (ii)the tools which could be used with a web interface, but also a traditional desktop interface (some of the perl/python/java apps). Feel free to change it, but I don't think that it should merely be "web-based" due to these two points. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-02-16T14:15:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-02-16T14:15:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-02-16T14:15:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-02-16T08:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.176.198.153-2008-12-28T21:08:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"></span>Hi, this is a great page for anybody who want to select a good software. May i suggest to add tellico in the list because this more general software can handle bibliography and even import DB in various format : referencer, bibtex, bibtexml,... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.176.198.153" title="Special:Contributions/91.176.198.153">91.176.198.153</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:91.176.198.153&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:91.176.198.153 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-91.176.198.153-2008-12-28T21:08:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.176.198.153-2008-12-28T21:08:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.176.198.153-2008-12-28T21:08:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"></span>May I suggest you either keep an eye on new software developments or do not delete additions made by the community. True, WP is not for ads, and since this is an encyclopedia, articles must be neutral. But restricting on WHAT is being included is yet another story. I am missing WibTeX in the list which has some features other Reference Management System do not seem to have. It's free for up to 30 records.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zxmwc24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zxmwc24 (page does not exist)">Zxmwc24</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zxmwc24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Zxmwc24 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z-Reference_Management_Software"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2010-03-04T00:48:00.000Z-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z"></span>Of course we restrict what is included! Refer to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTDIR">WP:NOTDIR</a>: we require <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a> for inclusion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2010-03-04T00:48:00.000Z-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2010-03-04T00:48:00.000Z-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2010-03-04T00:48:00.000Z-Zxmwc24-2010-03-03T18:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FlexPro" data-mw-thread-id="h-FlexPro-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FlexPro-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z"></span>FlexPro<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FlexPro-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: FlexPro"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rw6410-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z-FlexPro"></span>Dear Karnesky, </p><p>why are you removing <a href="/wiki/FlexPro" title="FlexPro">FlexPro</a> from the list of graphing software all the time? FlexPro is a software numerical analysis AND presentation. That's why i've added it to both categories. What do you mean with main category? Some tools are multiple purpose and therefore need to be listed in different categories. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rw6410&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rw6410 (page does not exist)">Rw6410</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Rw6410-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z-FlexPro" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rw6410-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z-FlexPro"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rw6410-2007-03-02T14:02:00.000Z-FlexPro"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mount_Hood_clr" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mount_Hood_clr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mount_Hood_clr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z"></span>Mount Hood clr<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mount_Hood_clr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Mount Hood clr"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z-Mount_Hood_clr"></span>Hi Karnesky. I notice <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Hood&diff=prev&oldid=112577876">you reverted</a> my edit to <a href="/wiki/Mount_Hood" title="Mount Hood">Mount Hood</a>. I didn't feel strongly about my edit and removing it is fine—it was a minor layout tweak that will look funny on wide screen browsers anyway. But why did your edit summary say <i>rv linkspam</i>? —<a href="/wiki/User:EncMstr" title="User:EncMstr">EncMstr</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z-Mount_Hood_clr" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z-Mount_Hood_clr"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z-Mount_Hood_clr"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It was an accident--I was trying to revert <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.21.148.229" title="Special:Contributions/24.21.148.229">linkspam from 24.21.148.229</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T01:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z"></span>Ah! That explains it. Thanks. —<a href="/wiki/User:EncMstr" title="User:EncMstr">EncMstr</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2007-03-05T01:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Requestion-2007-03-08T22:08:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z"></span>Hello Karnesky. You asked a question about the avalanche-center.org linkspam in your edit summary <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creep_%28deformation%29&diff=113566540&oldid=113523391">[3]</a>. It is a spam campaign, check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Avalanche_and_climbing_external_links" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam">this report</a> for more details. A bunch of other domains are involved too. I would also like to take this opportunity to invite you to join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam</a>, it is a lot of fun and people there are very friendly. (<a href="/wiki/User:Requestion" title="User:Requestion">Requestion</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Requestion-2007-03-08T22:08:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Requestion-2007-03-08T22:08:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Requestion-2007-03-08T22:08:00.000Z-EncMstr-2007-03-05T05:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_edit-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_edit-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z"></span>Your edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_edit-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Your edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Althepal-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z-Your_edit"></span>Thank you for removing the catagory from Helicon Filter. I guess I just didn't know what was ment by "free" there. I'm glad you explained it. <a href="/wiki/User:Althepal" title="User:Althepal">Althepal</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Althepal-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z-Your_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Althepal-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z-Your_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Althepal-2007-03-06T18:57:00.000Z-Your_edit"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="reference_management_software_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-reference_management_software_2-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-reference_management_software_2-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z"></span>reference management software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-reference_management_software_2-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: reference management software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"></span>Very nice work--much appreciated. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wietseb-2007-03-09T08:15:00.000Z-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z"></span>I second that, great work! <a href="/wiki/User:Wietseb" title="User:Wietseb">Wietseb</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Wietseb-2007-03-09T08:15:00.000Z-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wietseb-2007-03-09T08:15:00.000Z-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wietseb-2007-03-09T08:15:00.000Z-DGG-2007-03-09T06:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Singarick-2007-03-17T11:28:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"></span>1.On 9 March you edited the /List_of_backup_software page, removing the entries for the product SyncBackSE. The log comment was 'rv linkspam' and 'rv. please don't list it twice' </p><p>To confirm, was the direct link to our site the reason for the deletion? </p><p>It might be good to have the rule for formatting such entries made visible when one is editing the pages. I don't see it referenced (but will adhere to it.) </p><p>2. SyncBackSE was listed under <a href="/wiki/Both" class="mw-disambig" title="Both">both</a> "Small network" and "Single system" sections, as it applies to both. Is that prohibited? </p><p>3. There is a "free software" section, but no "freeware" section. We also have free, nonag backup software. If there isn't a particular reason for not having a freeware section, having one would be a service to readers. </p><p>TIA <a href="/wiki/User:Singarick" title="User:Singarick">Singarick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Singarick-2007-03-17T11:28:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Singarick-2007-03-17T11:28:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Singarick-2007-03-17T11:28:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"></span>Is the the correct way of sending a talk message? If not, please delete it. Karnesky: View the Thinkpad discussion page for my response. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thinkweird&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thinkweird (page does not exist)">Thinkweird</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z-reference_management_software_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-04-07T18:10:00.000Z-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Please add it to the bottom of the page & please note that most people subscribe to talk/article pages they've edited, so there's little reason to send this kind of message. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-04-07T18:10:00.000Z-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-04-07T18:10:00.000Z-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-04-07T18:10:00.000Z-Thinkweird-2007-04-07T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GemIdent" data-mw-thread-id="h-GemIdent-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GemIdent-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z"></span>GemIdent<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GemIdent-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: GemIdent"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z-GemIdent"></span>Hi Mr. Karnesky, </p><p>This is in reference to the GemIdent page. I've put the original site's text under GFDL (www.gemident.net) I appreciate your concern about notability. Many people are using GemIdent - what "proof" exactly do you need that it's notable. As far as bias is concerned, it's an open source project - no money is made on it. Please keep this discussion open and respond </p><p>Adam <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:69.181.107.231&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:69.181.107.231 (page does not exist)">69.181.107.231</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z-GemIdent" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)</a>Way4thesub<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z-GemIdent"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z-GemIdent"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-05-14T15:34:00.000Z-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z"></span>I'm glad you resolved licensing issues.</dd> <dd>What number is "many" people? Did you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a> (the official guideline), <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFTWARE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOFTWARE">WP:SOFTWARE</a> (a historical proposal which gives examples for notability of software), and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEB">WP:WEB</a>? I.e.: are your independent and reliable secondary sources which talk about GemIndent? Has GemIndent won any awards? Is GemIndent distributed by someone other than you (in a Linux distro, for example)? Since it is relatively new (less than a year old & without a license!), I think it may be difficult for you to prove notability. This doesn't mean the program isn't good or useful (it has a few functions I'd like to play with sometime), just that it isn't (yet) notable.</dd> <dd>Also note: if <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.gemident.net/source.html">this is your final license</a>, many would not consider it to be <a href="/wiki/Free_software" title="Free software">free</a> or <a href="/wiki/Open_source_software" class="mw-redirect" title="Open source software">open source</a>: commercial redistribution is prohibited & distribution of derivative works is highly restricted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-05-14T15:34:00.000Z-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-05-14T15:34:00.000Z-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-05-14T15:34:00.000Z-69.181.107.231-2007-05-14T05:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Backup_software" data-mw-thread-id="h-Backup_software-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Backup_software-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z"></span>Backup software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Backup_software-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Backup software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephen-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z-Backup_software"></span>If software is notable why doesn't it have an article? --<a href="/wiki/User:Stephen" title="User:Stephen"><b>Steve</b> <sub> (Stephen) </sub></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephen" title="User talk:Stephen"><sup> talk </sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Stephen-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z-Backup_software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephen-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z-Backup_software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephen-2007-05-20T09:47:00.000Z-Backup_software"></span> </p> <dl><dd>Believe it or not, not everything that is notable has an article in Wikipedia yet! If redlinks points to an article that has been deleted, I've diligently removed them. Otherwise, they're useful to start stubs. There's no policy that says lists must be link free & your removal of notable open source projects such as rsnapshot and rdiff-backup seems silly when the majority of products in the proprietary sections are redlinks that are less notable (though possibly O.K.). --16:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Backup_Software" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Backup_Software-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Backup_Software-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z"></span>List of Backup Software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Backup_Software-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: List of Backup Software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software"></span>Hi, Could you please clarify on the reason for removal of duplicate entries of Vembu StoreGrid in the 'List of Backup Software' article. Each entry highlighted a different product edition (please see <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.vembu.com/storegrid/backup-solutions.html">http://www.vembu.com/storegrid/backup-solutions.html</a>) - a similar approach to that adopted by IBM, Veritas/Symantec, Commvault, Genie Backup, etc - all of whom have different editions listed on the same page. Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Luxit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Luxit (page does not exist)">Luxit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-06-05T12:43:00.000Z-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z"></span>Many of the products listed once could backup multiple classes. For both self-consistency & consistency with other lists, they are listed under their primary purpose. During list cleanups, multiple mentions are routinely dumped & I think there is some discussion of this already. Thank you for the info on Genie Backup--the anonymous user who was re-adding that was quite persistent. IBM is only listed once for Tivoli & once for their mainframe backup (which is very much different from Tivoli). --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-06-05T12:43:00.000Z-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-06-05T12:43:00.000Z-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-06-05T12:43:00.000Z-Luxit-2007-06-05T10:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bibliographic_software" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bibliographic_software-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bibliographic_software-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z"></span>Bibliographic software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bibliographic_software-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Bibliographic software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badgettrg-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z-Bibliographic_software"></span>Well, that was the politest revert I have ever received. I understand your rationale and agree. The page is excellent. Consider making a summary comment as the data in the tables takes a while to get through. For example, I think that based on </p> <ol><li>systems that store your reference databases on their server which increases portability aand ability to share</li> <li>systems that access the dom of the document in your browser window and use bookmarklets or Firefox plugin to input content by parsing PMIDs or ISBNs, etc</li> <li>systems that can generate a bibliography</li> <li>cost</li></ol> <p>One can reasonably recommend RefWorks (especially if you have an institutional license) if portability is important to the user; otherwise Zotero is a good option (if its limited bibliographic citation formats is not a problem). </p><p>I am trying to get in the habit of preceding content with a summary in order to aid readability; however, this may not meet your needs if you goal is more to present the facts alone.<a href="/wiki/User:Badgettrg" title="User:Badgettrg">Badgettrg</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Badgettrg-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z-Bibliographic_software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badgettrg-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z-Bibliographic_software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badgettrg-2007-07-16T03:58:00.000Z-Bibliographic_software"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Backup_Software_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Backup_Software_2-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Backup_Software_2-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z"></span>List of Backup Software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Backup_Software_2-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: List of Backup Software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vadakr-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software_2"></span>Why does Spare Backup (a red link) get to stay in the list (and that too, at the top of a supposedly sorted list), whereas Syncsort, a company in business since the late 1960s, gets chucked out? I understand why you removed the entry under 'Small Networks' (based on what you've mentioned in previous posts), but I think the 'Large Networks' entry should stay. Syncsort's Backup Express is the only 'real' backup solution for Novell Netware and older UNIXs like SGI, IRIX, AIX etc. And it has always featured in the top 5/6 enterprise backup solutions available in the past decade! Please Google it if you want to check its credentials. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Vadakr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Vadakr (page does not exist)">Vadakr</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Vadakr-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vadakr-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vadakr-2007-08-29T03:01:00.000Z-List_of_Backup_Software_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd>Feel free to remove Spare Backup too! If SyncSort is as notable as you claim, surely it warrants an actual article? --03:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software_(2nd_nomination)" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z"><span id="AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FList_of_portable_software_.282nd_nomination.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z"></span>AfD you commented on - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: AfD you commented on - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lawrence_Cohen-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software"></span>Please take another look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)</a> when you can? You previously left a comment there. I have vastly edited the article in question, and left comments there on the AfD--you may wish to review the situation again in light of this. Thank you. • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lawrence_Cohen" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Lawrence Cohen"><span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:#C00000;">Lawrence Cohen</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Lawrence_Cohen-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lawrence_Cohen-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lawrence_Cohen-2007-09-10T16:20:00.000Z-AfD_you_commented_on_-_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_portable_software"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z"></span>Replaceable fair use Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Replaceable fair use Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liftarn-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Replaceable fair use"><img alt="Replaceable fair use" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/32px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="32" height="27" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/48px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/64px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a><figcaption>Replaceable fair use</figcaption></figure> <p>Thanks for uploading <b><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Xawtv-screenshot.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Xawtv-screenshot.png (page does not exist)">Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png</a></b>. I noticed the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use">fair use</a>, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use_criteria" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use criteria">first fair use criterion</a> in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please: </p> <ol><li>Go to <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Xawtv-screenshot.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Xawtv-screenshot.png (page does not exist)">the image description page</a> and edit it to add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Di-replaceable_fair_use_disputed" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Di-replaceable fair use disputed">di-replaceable fair use disputed</a>}}</code>, <b>without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template</b>.</li> <li>On <a href="/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Xawtv-screenshot.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File talk:Xawtv-screenshot.png (page does not exist)">the image discussion page</a>, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.</li></ol> <p>Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission" title="Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission">requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license</a>, or by taking a picture of it yourself. </p><p>If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Karnesky&namespace=6">this link</a></span>. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, fair use images which could be replaced by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if not used in an article), per our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FUC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FUC">Fair Use policy</a>. If you have any questions please ask them at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions">Media copyright questions page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Liftarn" title="User:Liftarn">Liftarn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Liftarn-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liftarn-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liftarn-2007-10-25T10:59:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Xawtv-screenshot.png"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Red_Hot_from_Chicago" data-mw-thread-id="h-Red_Hot_from_Chicago-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Red_Hot_from_Chicago-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z"></span>Red Hot from Chicago<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Red_Hot_from_Chicago-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Red Hot from Chicago"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago"></span>In the future, please give a reason for a deletion. Otherwise it can be considered vandalism. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zeamays" title="User:Zeamays">Zeamays</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeamays" title="User talk:Zeamays">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T15:27:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z"></span>WP:EL</a> was my reason in both cases. I didn't link to it for my first rv, but I did say "rv el." Sorry if you hadn't encountered this abbreviation before. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T15:27:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</a>\<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T15:27:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T15:27:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T12:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago"></span>Excuse me, but rv el makes no sense to me. I understand your reason, since you gave it in text, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL">WP:EL</a> is about external references, which had nothing to do with your deletion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zeamays" title="User:Zeamays">Zeamays</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeamays" title="User talk:Zeamays">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z-Red_Hot_from_Chicago"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T22:12:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Again: Sorry for using jargon that you didn't understand. You had included an external link to Red Hots in your edit. This was the biggest gripe I had when I reverted it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T22:12:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T22:12:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-12-12T22:12:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-12T21:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z"><span id="Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_.3D_office_suites"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for putting the merge discussion link on article = office suites<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Thanks for putting the merge discussion link on article = office suites"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sanjiv_swarup-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites"></span>Thanks for putting the merge discussion link on article = office suites <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Sanjiv_swarup" title="User:Sanjiv swarup">Sanjiv swarup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanjiv_swarup" title="User talk:Sanjiv swarup">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sanjiv_swarup" title="Special:Contributions/Sanjiv swarup">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Sanjiv_swarup-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanjiv_swarup-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sanjiv_swarup-2008-02-22T09:17:00.000Z-Thanks_for_putting_the_merge_discussion_link_on_article_=_office_suites"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ntfsprogs" data-mw-thread-id="h-ntfsprogs-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ntfsprogs-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Ntfsprogs" title="Ntfsprogs">ntfsprogs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ntfsprogs-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: ntfsprogs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z-ntfsprogs"></span>I'm not disrupting Wikipedia, and I resent the accusation. I'm not just going to take your word for it; I would like to see more than one author or reliable source talk about this subject. Can you find these sources? - <span style="font-family:Verdana;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cobaltbluetony" title="User:Cobaltbluetony">CobaltBlueTony™</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top" title="User talk:Cobaltbluetony">talk</a></sub></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z-ntfsprogs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z-ntfsprogs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z-ntfsprogs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z"></span>I have already added a third source from a second author in a second publication. I'm sorry if I did not assume good faith. I was most annoyed that you re-added the notability tag again and again (while ignoring discussion on the talk page). --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T15:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T18:54:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z"></span>I'm not entirely certain, but I think notability is a bit large of a concern than the types of tags used. The purpose of the tags is to get the attention of other users so as to inspire effort of their part, not just to be readers. I'm sorry if the manner in which I tagged the article upsets you, but I think that this is a very minor issue to which you easily and quickly responded. Issue resolved, moving on. - <span style="font-family:Verdana;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cobaltbluetony" title="User:Cobaltbluetony">CobaltBlueTony™</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top" title="User talk:Cobaltbluetony">talk</a></sub></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T18:54:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T18:54:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cobaltbluetony-2008-05-29T18:54:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-05-29T15:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Civil" data-mw-thread-id="h-Civil-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Civil-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z"></span>Civil<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Civil-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Civil"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z-Civil"></span>Please remember to keep your edit summaries civil, and assume good faith. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">Mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z-Civil" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z-Civil"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z-Civil"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2008-06-25T13:27:00.000Z-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z"></span>Can you please link to the edit that you find objectionable? Many of my recent edits are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL">WP:EL</a> cleanup, so the most "objectionable" summary I can think of is "linkspam." Sorry if this offended you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2008-06-25T13:27:00.000Z-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2008-06-25T13:27:00.000Z-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2008-06-25T13:27:00.000Z-Mikeblas-2008-06-24T13:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_comment_is_requested" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_comment_is_requested-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_comment_is_requested-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z"></span>Your comment is requested<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_comment_is_requested-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Your comment is requested"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tedickey-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z-Your_comment_is_requested"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Exidor">Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tedickey" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tedickey">Tedickey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tedickey" title="User talk:Tedickey">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Tedickey-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z-Your_comment_is_requested" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tedickey-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z-Your_comment_is_requested"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tedickey-2008-07-17T00:44:00.000Z-Your_comment_is_requested"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment.2FExidor"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Exidor">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Exidor</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Exidor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wizardman-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor"></span>I've closed the RfC on Exidor. Since you were one of the certifiers, I am pointing you to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor#Conclusion">this</a> to explain the outcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman" title="User:Wizardman"><span style="color:#060"><i><b>Wizardman</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Wizardman-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wizardman-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wizardman-2008-08-03T17:03:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Exidor"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Samba" data-mw-thread-id="h-Samba-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Samba-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z"></span>Samba<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Samba-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Samba"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.39.174.238-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z-Samba"></span>I had missed that. I still think it is deletionworthy, but wont argue with a legitimate AfD otherwise. Thanx, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238" title="Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238">68.39.174.238</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.39.174.238" title="User talk:68.39.174.238">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-68.39.174.238-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z-Samba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.39.174.238-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z-Samba"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.39.174.238-2008-09-24T23:11:00.000Z-Samba"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deleted_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deleted_image-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deleted_image-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z"></span>Deleted image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deleted_image-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Deleted image"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z-Deleted_image"></span>I had thought <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:RickettsCrest.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:RickettsCrest.jpg (page does not exist)">Image:RickettsCrest.jpg</a> was tagged? The original author has not been active on WP for three years & I don't know if you are using the two-year old warning on his talk page as sufficient notice. In the future, can you please notify pages that use images you plan to delete (such as <a href="/wiki/Talk:House_System_at_the_California_Institute_of_Technology" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:House System at the California Institute of Technology">Talk:House System at the California Institute of Technology</a>? Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z-Deleted_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z-Deleted_image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z-Deleted_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z"></span>While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stifle/wizard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Stifle/wizard">message wizard</a>. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?</dd> <dd>I did not tag this image for deletion; <a href="/wiki/User:FairuseBot" title="User:FairuseBot">FairuseBot</a> did. It should have left a message to the uploader and placed <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Deletable_image-caption" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Deletable image-caption">deletable image-caption</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in the image's caption. Please contact <a href="/wiki/User:Carnildo" title="User:Carnildo">Carnildo</a> if you have a problem with FairuseBot.</dd> <dd>While <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:RickettsCrest.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:RickettsCrest.jpg (page does not exist)">Image:RickettsCrest.jpg</a> had an image copyright tag, it lacked a rationale explaining how that particular use of the image was valid and compliant with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFCC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFCC">WP:NFCC</a>. All non-free images on Wikipedia must have a non-free use rationale. If you like, I can undelete the image so that you can add a rationale. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFURG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFURG">WP:NFURG</a> for guidelines on rationales. <a href="/wiki/User:Stifle" title="User:Stifle">Stifle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stifle/wizard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Stifle/wizard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z-Karnesky-2008-10-17T15:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:FairuseBot" title="User:FairuseBot"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T16:31:00.000Z-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z"></span>FairuseBot</a> made no notification. The image should be restored & notification given. If the notification is ignored, I'd have no objection with re-deletion of the image. I made a comment to this effect on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions">Wikipedia:Media copyright questions</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T16:31:00.000Z-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T16:31:00.000Z-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2008-10-17T16:31:00.000Z-Stifle-2008-10-17T15:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cites" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cites-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cites-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z"></span>Cites<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cites-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Cites"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smith609-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z-Cites"></span>Hi, just thought I'd drop you a note to thank (and congratulate!) you for getting things moving again at the Cite battleground! I was beginning to fear we'd reached a stalemate. All the best, <a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">Martin</a> <b><small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">Smith609</a> – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smith609" title="User talk:Smith609">Talk</a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Smith609-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z-Cites" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smith609-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z-Cites"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smith609-2008-11-08T04:30:00.000Z-Cites"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span>File:Refbase logo.gif listed for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: File:Refbase logo.gif listed for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skier_Dude-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion"></span>An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Refbase_logo.gif&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Refbase logo.gif (page does not exist)">File:Refbase logo.gif</a>, has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion">Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion</a>. Please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2009_January_1#Refbase_logo.gif" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2009 January 1"><b>discussion</b></a> to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Skier_Dude" title="User:Skier Dude"><span style="color:ForestGreen">Skier Dude</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skier_Dude" title="User talk:Skier Dude"><span style="color:SaddleBrown">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Skier_Dude-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skier_Dude-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skier_Dude-2009-01-01T05:27:00.000Z-File:Refbase_logo.gif_listed_for_deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_open_source_software_packages" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_open_source_software_packages"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_open_source_software_packages"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_open_source_software_packages" class="mw-redirect" title="List of open source software packages">List_of_open_source_software_packages</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_open_source_software_packages"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: List_of_open_source_software_packages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi, you removed my addition of FreeOpenSourceSoftware.org and referral to Stallman as the father of open source, but without any note on my talk page or other explanation. If you don't think General Directory is the right category, can you suggest another? Also, the link to FSF should be identified in some way as not really "general" - that site and index are focused on GPL and Stallman's preferences, not that there is anything wrong with that, but I thought at least a note about who sponsored it would be better disclosure. Please let me know your thoughts. Reliablesources 13:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Reliablesources" title="User:Reliablesources">Reliablesources</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reliablesources" title="User talk:Reliablesources">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Reliablesources" title="Special:Contributions/Reliablesources">contribs</a>) </span></small> </p> <dl><dd>Hi, updated the page, put it under "other directories". Reliablesources 00:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Reliablesources" title="User:Reliablesources">Reliablesources</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reliablesources" title="User talk:Reliablesources">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Reliablesources" title="Special:Contributions/Reliablesources">contribs</a>) </span></small></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z"></span>Chicago Style Hot Dog<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: Chicago Style Hot Dog"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog"></span>Please stop putting cucumbers on my hotdog. All four references do <b>NOT</b> include cucumbers. Just as they don't include marshmellows!!! If you order a Chgo hotdog in Chgo and it comes with cucumbers, it is NOT a Chgo Hot Dog. If you have personal experience of ordering a Chgo HD and it came with cucumbers, the clerk that served you was a sabotuer. If the owner of the so-called hot dog stand told his employees to add cucumbers to the finished product, he was committing a sacrilege. If you want a salad, order a salad. Not A Chicago Style Hot Dog. --<a href="/wiki/User:Buster7" title="User:Buster7">Buster7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buster7" title="User talk:Buster7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z-Chicago_Style_Hot_Dog"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z"></span>Not one the references (8) mentions cucumbers.... NOT A SINGLE ONE!--<a href="/wiki/User:Buster7" title="User:Buster7">Buster7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buster7" title="User talk:Buster7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span>Three do mention it & I noted this in my edit summary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z"></span>Read Mike Royko's column about ketchup on a Chgo hot dog...replace the word "Cucumber" when you read "ketchup". Or....Go into Mustard's Last Stand on Central and count the # of cucumbers you get with your hot dog. You may like cucumbers, and more power to ya',.....but please know that what you are eating is NOT a Chicago Hot Dog. Also, I have read the references. I find no mention of cucumbers in any of the recipes listed in any of the references. Please tell me where you are finding this erroneous information.--<a href="/wiki/User:Buster7" title="User:Buster7">Buster7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buster7" title="User talk:Buster7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T07:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z"></span>Since that column does not mention cucumbers, I wonder why you bring it up. You obviously have a personal bias against cucumbers on your dog. I've personally had Chicago-style dogs both with and without sliced cucumbers. While I've had more that do not have them, there are multiple references that mention cucumber slices on dogs, as I mentioned in my edit summary: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?erube_fh=wttw&wttw.submit.CPRecipieDetail=1&wttw.RecipieID=26">[4]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.amazingribs.com/recipes/beef/chicago_hot_dogs.html">[5]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A885468">[6]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.hotdogchicagostyle.com/makeyourown.php">[7]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.hotdogchicagostyle.com/rate_chicago.php#chicago">[8]</a>. There seem to be zero that say that a dog is no longer "Chicago-style" if it contains them. Your opinion, alone, does not refute these references. Feel free to find references that disagree with them, though.</dd> <dd>But then, I wouldn't consider Mustard's Last Stand as the quintessential hot dog stand. It has a witty name, but it is in Evanston! When I lived in Chicago/Evanston, Demon Dogs was probably my favorite (and they did not have cucumbers). It is a shame that the CTA essentially forced them out.--<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z-Buster7-2009-04-13T07:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buster7-2009-04-14T04:22:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z"></span>I agree about Demon Dogs...they were the best. I wish the owner would open somewhere else. His fries were great too!!! I mentioned Mustard's 'cause I think your talk or History mentioned NorthWestern so I just assummed you knew about Mustard's. This whole hot dog thing is a bit a of a lark for me. I do consider myself a Chgo Hot Dog connoissuer and would not think of adding cucumbers. I read the references and all three barely mention cucumbers as a condiment for the precious wiener. I won't begrudge a fellow chicagoan his cucumbers but I think we need to emphasize that they are rarely ADDED. The are not in the recipe but they can be stapled to the back as an add-on. Anyway,,,nice to meet ya....Have you tried SuperDawg?--<a href="/wiki/User:Buster7" title="User:Buster7">Buster7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buster7" title="User talk:Buster7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Buster7-2009-04-14T04:22:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buster7-2009-04-14T04:22:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buster7-2009-04-14T04:22:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-04-13T16:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Barnstar_of_Peace" data-mw-thread-id="h-Barnstar_of_Peace-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Barnstar_of_Peace-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z"></span>Barnstar of Peace<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Barnstar_of_Peace-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Barnstar of Peace"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quadell-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z-Barnstar_of_Peace"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Peace_Barnstar_6.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Peace_Barnstar_6.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="96"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Barnstar of Peace</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">I award both you and <a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">User:Smith609</a> this Barnstar of Peace for working together at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Citation_bot_4" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Citation bot 4">Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Citation bot 4</a> to iron out the bot's scope and specifications. Differences on bot approval pages too often turn personal. Though you came from different perspectives, you were both courteous, descriptive, and willing to compromise. I strive to follow your example. – <a href="/wiki/User:Quadell" title="User:Quadell">Quadell</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quadell" title="User talk:Quadell">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Quadell-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z-Barnstar_of_Peace" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quadell-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z-Barnstar_of_Peace"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quadell-2009-04-17T12:46:00.000Z-Barnstar_of_Peace"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Afd_OpenCart" data-mw-thread-id="h-Afd_OpenCart-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Afd_OpenCart-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z"></span>Afd OpenCart<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Afd_OpenCart-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Afd OpenCart"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jamieleshaw-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z-Afd_OpenCart"></span>I thought, I should notify you I have nominated OpenCart for deletion.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jamieleshaw" title="User:Jamieleshaw">Jamie Shaw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jamieleshaw" title="User talk:Jamieleshaw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Jamieleshaw-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z-Afd_OpenCart" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jamieleshaw-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z-Afd_OpenCart"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jamieleshaw-2009-05-23T08:07:00.000Z-Afd_OpenCart"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Grace" data-mw-thread-id="h-Grace-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Grace-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z"></span>Grace<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Grace-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Grace"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Papa_November-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z-Grace"></span>Thanks for finding the Linux Journal review. Do you have any other ideas where to look for good references? I'll try to expand the article if I get a chance. <a href="/wiki/User:Papa_November" title="User:Papa November">Papa November</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Papa_November" title="User talk:Papa November">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Papa_November-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z-Grace" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Papa_November-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z-Grace"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Papa_November-2009-06-19T14:44:00.000Z-Grace"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="COI_accusation" data-mw-thread-id="h-COI_accusation-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-COI_accusation-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z"></span>COI accusation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-COI_accusation-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: COI accusation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hatter87-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z-COI_accusation"></span>Hi - I declared my position/COI in the AfD for article <a href="/wiki/Kayako" title="Kayako">Kayako</a>, and I don't actually think my position gives me a COI <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hatter87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hatter87 (page does not exist)">Hatter87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hatter87" title="User talk:Hatter87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Hatter87-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z-COI_accusation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hatter87-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z-COI_accusation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hatter87-2009-06-25T19:34:00.000Z-COI_accusation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wizfolio" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wizfolio-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wizfolio-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z"></span>Wizfolio<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wizfolio-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Wizfolio"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z-Wizfolio"></span>Thanks for your suggestions on the article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wizfolio&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wizfolio (page does not exist)">Wizfolio</a>. Made the changes you suggested. Would appreciate if you could have a second look and let me know if it's ok and to remove the speedy deletion tag if everything is ok. <a href="/wiki/User:Kendric_Apple" title="User:Kendric Apple">Kendric Apple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kendric_Apple" title="User talk:Kendric Apple">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z-Wizfolio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z-Wizfolio"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T02:19:00.000Z-Wizfolio"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T06:48:00.000Z-Wizfolio"></span>Thanks for the update. Will look into it. <a href="/wiki/User:Kendric_Apple" title="User:Kendric Apple">Kendric Apple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kendric_Apple" title="User talk:Kendric Apple">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T06:48:00.000Z-Wizfolio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T06:48:00.000Z-Wizfolio"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kendric_Apple-2009-09-17T06:48:00.000Z-Wizfolio"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Motivation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z"></span>Motivation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Motivation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Chill-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z-Motivation"></span>My motivation has always been to help Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Chill" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Joe Chill">Joe Chill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Chill" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Joe Chill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Joe_Chill-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z-Motivation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Chill-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z-Motivation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Chill-2009-09-26T00:18:00.000Z-Motivation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z"></span>Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z-Question"></span>Hi, just checking: did you read my note at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Notepad%2B%2B_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Notepad++ (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Notepad++_(2nd_nomination)</a>? Sorry to address you direct and I do not want to change your opinion in any direction. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.254.210.47" title="Special:Contributions/83.254.210.47">83.254.210.47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:83.254.210.47" title="User talk:83.254.210.47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z-Question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z-Question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but that seems <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POINT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINT">WP:POINTy</a> to me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:39:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z"></span>You are right of course. Would <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> override this, for the benefit of Wikipedia... I am not sure myself. The problem is the "mass" nomination and I don't think that the deletionists who have apparently teamed up will pick another prominent article like this again. In the long term a delete can be undone, no permanent harm done. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.254.210.47" title="Special:Contributions/83.254.210.47">83.254.210.47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:83.254.210.47" title="User talk:83.254.210.47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:39:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:39:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.254.210.47-2009-10-01T12:39:00.000Z-Karnesky-2009-10-01T12:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unreferenced_BLPs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unreferenced_BLPs-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unreferenced_BLPs-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z"></span>Unreferenced BLPs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unreferenced_BLPs-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Unreferenced BLPs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DASHBot-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z-Unreferenced_BLPs"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello Karnesky! Thank you for your contributions. I am a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOT">bot</a> alerting you that <b>1</b> of the articles that you created is tagged as an<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Sources" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons"> Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person</a>. Please note that all biographies of living persons <b>must be sourced</b>. If you were to add <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RELIABLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RELIABLE">reliable</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">secondary</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOURCES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOURCES">sources</a> to this article, it would greatly help us with the current <i><a href="/wiki/Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs" title="Category:All unreferenced BLPs">129</a></i> article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:UnreferencedBLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:UnreferencedBLP">unreferencedBLP</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tag. Here is the article: </p> <ol><li><a href="/wiki/George_D._W._Smith" title="George D. W. Smith">George D. W. Smith</a> - <small><span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22George+D.+W.+Smith%22">TWL</a></span></span></small></li></ol> <p>Thanks!--<a href="/wiki/User:DASHBot" title="User:DASHBot">DASHBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DASHBot" title="User talk:DASHBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-DASHBot-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z-Unreferenced_BLPs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 2 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DASHBot-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z-Unreferenced_BLPs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DASHBot-2010-01-02T23:12:00.000Z-Unreferenced_BLPs"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Canvassing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Canvassing-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Canvassing-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z"></span>Canvassing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Canvassing-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: Canvassing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pohta_ce-am_pohtit-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z-Canvassing"></span>The editors whose position was soundly rejected at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Software_notability" title="Wikipedia:Software notability">Wikipedia:Software notability</a> are very active at AfDs, and they keep voting according to their own standards, even if the no longer link to that essay. The arbcom decided that such behavior is unimpeachable, so the only way to counter their actions is to counter-vote the delete votes when they are made for invalid reasons. Please add <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Software" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software">Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion_sorting/Software</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Computing" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing">Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion sorting/Computing</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Internet" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Internet">Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion_sorting/Internet</a> to your watch list. <a href="/wiki/User:Pohta_ce-am_pohtit" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pohta ce-am pohtit">Pcap</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pohta_ce-am_pohtit" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit"><small>ping</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Pohta_ce-am_pohtit-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z-Canvassing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pohta_ce-am_pohtit-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z-Canvassing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pohta_ce-am_pohtit-2010-01-20T15:08:00.000Z-Canvassing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">AfD</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/List_of_numerical_analysis_software" class="mw-redirect" title="List of numerical analysis software">List of numerical analysis software</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: AfD nomination of List of numerical analysis software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jwesley78-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/42px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="42" height="37" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/63px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/84px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a></span></div><p>An article that you have been involved in editing, <a href="/wiki/List_of_numerical_analysis_software" class="mw-redirect" title="List of numerical analysis software">List of numerical analysis software</a>, has been listed for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_numerical_analysis_software" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of numerical analysis software">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of numerical analysis software</a>. Thank you.</p><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div><p>Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. <b><span style="color:green;">Jwesley</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jwesley78" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jwesley78"><sub>78</sub></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Jwesley78-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jwesley78-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jwesley78-2010-02-24T22:52:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_List_of_numerical_analysis_software"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NX_Ideas_page_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-NX_Ideas_page_deletion-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NX_Ideas_page_deletion-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z"></span>NX Ideas page deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NX_Ideas_page_deletion-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: NX Ideas page deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aakelley-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z-NX_Ideas_page_deletion"></span>I see that you were arguing against the deletion of the NX ideas page. I work for Siemens so cannot start a new NX Ideas page, but am wondering if I could help start a new one and get you and some others to review it. Obviously Siemens PLM Software doesn't sell I-DEAS anymore, but I think it is importnant from a historical perspective to have a document on wikipedia about what it was and where its technology went (into NX). The first job I had at SDRC was demoing I-deas Master Series 3 and before that I used Ideas 6 (no Master Series yet) in grad school. Let me know if you'd like to help and how I should approach it in order to avoid my obvious COI. Thanks in advcnce.<a href="/wiki/User:Aakelley" title="User:Aakelley">Aakelley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aakelley" title="User talk:Aakelley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Aakelley-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z-NX_Ideas_page_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aakelley-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z-NX_Ideas_page_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aakelley-2010-07-29T19:21:00.000Z-NX_Ideas_page_deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Canvassing_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Canvassing_2-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Canvassing_2-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Canvassing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Canvassing_2-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: Canvassing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z-Canvassing_2"></span>Hello. It appears that you have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing" title="Wikipedia:Canvassing">canvassing</a></b>—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mono" title="User talk:Mono">User talk:Mono</a>. While <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing#Friendly_notices" title="Wikipedia:Canvassing">friendly notices</a> are allowed, they should be <b>limited</b> and <b>nonpartisan</b> in distribution and should reflect a <b>neutral</b> point of view. Please do not post notices which are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing#Excessive_cross-posting" title="Wikipedia:Canvassing">indiscriminately cross-posted</a>, which espouse a certain <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing#Campaigning" title="Wikipedia:Canvassing">point of view</a> or side of a debate, or which are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing#Votestacking" title="Wikipedia:Canvassing">selectively sent</a> only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. <i>Note that I routinely watch all AfDs that I participate in.</i> <span style="font-family:Papyrus;"><big><big>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mono"><span style="color:black;"><b>m</b></span><span style="color:gold;"><b>o</b></span><span style="color:black;"><b>n</b></span><span style="color:black;"><b>o</b></span></a></big></big></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z-Canvassing_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 1 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z-Canvassing_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z-Canvassing_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2010-08-01T00:21:00.000Z-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z"></span>I notified all participants in the AfD that (i) I had made substantive changes to the article that were not commented on and (ii) the debate had been relisted (in part because nobody commented on my changes). Let me know if you have any specific criticism in the way I made these friendly notices that were meant to increase participation in the discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2010-08-01T00:21:00.000Z-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 1 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2010-08-01T00:21:00.000Z-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2010-08-01T00:21:00.000Z-Mono-2010-08-01T00:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z"><span id="Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z"></span>Review a proposed article due to COI?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Review a proposed article due to COI?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?"></span>Hello! I noticed that you are the top editor of the article <a href="/wiki/Reference_management_software" title="Reference management software">reference management software</a>. I am writing on behalf of my employer, because we would like to create a page for our reference management program, Citavi, which is established in the German market, but is new in English. I have created a draft article at <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tooki/Citavi">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tooki/Citavi</a> (per the WP directions for creating an article when a conflict of interest exists), and would love if you could take a look at it and make changes or comments as necessary. The article is based largely on the German WP article, but shortened. Many thanks in advance. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tooki" title="User:Tooki">tooki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooki" title="User talk:Tooki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z-Review_a_proposed_article_due_to_COI?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z"></span>I should get to this eventually, but I currently have a very busy travel schedule. One thing that sticks out is that all references are to the citavi website. Independent sourcing helps articles greatly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-02T08:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for taking the time to take a look despite your full schedule! <a href="/wiki/User:F%C3%A6" title="User:Fæ">Fæ</a> made the same observation and gave me some great tips on improving it. We'll work on it some more. Can I then ask you to take a look? (There's no point in having you carefully review it until those changes are made.) Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Tooki" title="User:Tooki">tooki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooki" title="User talk:Tooki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z-Karnesky-2011-02-03T06:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z"></span>Hello again! I've added a number of independent sources that I believe meet WP's reliability requirements and establish notability. (Note: I did not remove ref links to the product website, since they were already there, but these are for simple facts, i.e. pure specs and such. If you think it's too many citations, let me know.) As best I can interpret the WP guidelines, I think the article is now in a shape that could be published. Would you kindly take a look? (I have also asked <a href="/wiki/User:F%C3%A6" title="User:Fæ">User:Fæ</a> to take a look. See my talk page for his/her comments.) I'm itching to get the article up. Thank you again in advance, and best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Tooki" title="User:Tooki">tooki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooki" title="User talk:Tooki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-04T11:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooki-2011-02-14T11:31:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z"></span>Hi! <a href="/wiki/User:F%C3%A6" title="User:Fæ">User:Fæ</a> green-lighted the article draft and moved it to the public userspace. As always, constructive criticism is welcome if you get bored on your travels and have time to take a look. :) Now that the article is up, I'll start adding Citavi to the comparison article. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Tooki" title="User:Tooki">tooki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooki" title="User talk:Tooki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Tooki-2011-02-14T11:31:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooki-2011-02-14T11:31:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooki-2011-02-14T11:31:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooki-2011-02-14T13:13:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z"></span>I just realized that you had made some edits and left a detailed comment on the article's draft page. Much obliged! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tooki" title="User:Tooki">tooki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooki" title="User talk:Tooki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Tooki-2011-02-14T13:13:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooki-2011-02-14T13:13:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooki-2011-02-14T13:13:00.000Z-Tooki-2011-02-11T08:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gibbs–Thomson_effect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gibbs–Thomson_effect-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z"><span id="Gibbs.E2.80.93Thomson_effect"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gibbs–Thomson_effect-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z"></span>Gibbs–Thomson effect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gibbs–Thomson_effect-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Gibbs–Thomson effect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect"></span>Hi, I have been pointed in your direction. I would like to discuss making additions to to your page : <a href="/wiki/Gibbs%E2%80%93Thomson_effect" class="mw-redirect" title="Gibbs–Thomson effect">Gibbs–Thomson effect</a> .... I use this effect in my daily research, and have written a number of papers about the experiments and their results, some developing the theory and delving into its origins. </p><p>You mention a number of equations that are all derived from Gibbs generalised equations, but they have important distinctions, and should be treated separately. I am not familiar with the version of the equation you quote. Can you point me to more information on where it is given ? </p><p>I have begun to prepare a short page that could be entitled "Gibbs–Thomson effect" or "Gibbs–Thomson equation", and would like to discuss merging it with your page, cheers, Beau <a href="/wiki/User:Dr.BeauWebber" title="User:Dr.BeauWebber">Dr.BeauWebber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr.BeauWebber" title="User talk:Dr.BeauWebber">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:26:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect"></span>Oh Sorry, my partially written page is at : <a href="/wiki/User:Dr.BeauWebber/Gibbs-Thomson_Equation_/_Effect" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dr.BeauWebber/Gibbs-Thomson Equation / Effect">User:Dr.BeauWebber/Gibbs-Thomson Equation / Effect</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Dr.BeauWebber" title="User:Dr.BeauWebber">Dr.BeauWebber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr.BeauWebber" title="User talk:Dr.BeauWebber">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z-Gibbs–Thomson_effect"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2011-02-22T02:28:00.000Z-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z"></span>Please avoid <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_fork" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Content fork">WP:content forks</a>. 2005 was long enough ago that I don't recall the sources I used at the time. The german version of the page pre-dates the english one, so it may have provided inspiration. The equations in the article are commonly used in other treatments, such as Porter & Easterling's "Phase Transformations in Metals and Alloys". --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2011-02-22T02:28:00.000Z-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2011-02-22T02:28:00.000Z-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2011-02-22T02:28:00.000Z-Dr.BeauWebber-2011-02-21T22:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GNOME_Office" data-mw-thread-id="h-GNOME_Office-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GNOME_Office-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z"></span>GNOME Office<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GNOME_Office-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: GNOME Office"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z-GNOME_Office"></span>There is no GNOME Office suite. Try to get this into your head! The AfD is about whether an article about a list in some other Wiki is notable or not. The list does not make a GNOME Office suite. --<a href="/wiki/User:KAMiKAZOW" title="User:KAMiKAZOW">KAMiKAZOW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KAMiKAZOW" title="User talk:KAMiKAZOW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z-GNOME_Office" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z-GNOME_Office"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z-GNOME_Office"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2011-09-22T16:31:00.000Z-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z"></span>Please respect <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">WP:AGF</a>. I have provided sources. Rather than getting in a two-party argument/revert war, perhaps we should solicit outside comment? --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Karnesky-2011-09-22T16:31:00.000Z-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2011-09-22T16:31:00.000Z-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2011-09-22T16:31:00.000Z-KAMiKAZOW-2011-09-22T15:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-2014-01-25T08:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-2014-01-25T08:59:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for January 25<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25-2014-01-25T08:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for January 25"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2014-01-25T08:59:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_25"></span>Hi. 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As you previously discussed on the topic I thought you might be interested. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Noian" title="User:Noian"><span style="color:red;"><b>ηoian</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noian" title="User talk:Noian"><small><span style="color:MediumSeaGreen;"><i>‡orever ηew ‡rontiers</i></span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky#c-Noian-2015-07-22T17:49:00.000Z-RfC:_On_Software_Notability." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noian-2015-07-22T17:49:00.000Z-RfC:_On_Software_Notability."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noian-2015-07-22T17:49:00.000Z-RfC:_On_Software_Notability."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-2015-11-23T12:54:00.000Z"><span id="ArbCom_elections_are_now_open.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-2015-11-23T12:54:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2015" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2015">ArbCom elections are now open!</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!-2015-11-23T12:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnesky&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: ArbCom elections are now open!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2015-11-23T12:54:00.000Z-ArbCom_elections_are_now_open!"></span>Hi,<br/> You appear to be eligible to vote in the current <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2015" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2015">Arbitration Committee election</a>. 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Voting in the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2016">2016 Arbitration Committee elections</a></b> is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBCOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBCOM">Arbitration Committee</a> is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration">Wikipedia arbitration process</a>. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. 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Voting in the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2018" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2018">2018 Arbitration Committee elections</a></b> is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBCOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBCOM">Arbitration Committee</a> is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration">Wikipedia arbitration process</a>. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. 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