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id="toc-Sorting_by_topic" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sorting_by_topic"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Sorting by topic</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sorting_by_topic-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Backlog_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Backlog_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Backlog drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">25 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Backlog_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Trouble at British Oceanographic Data Centre</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fresh_barnstars" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fresh_barnstars"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Fresh barnstars</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Fresh_barnstars-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-sort_by_page_views?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#sort_by_page_views?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>sort by page views?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-sort_by_page_views?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Dinosaur_hunting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Dinosaur_hunting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Dinosaur hunting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Dinosaur_hunting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP:FEB24_page_is_finished"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>WP:FEB24 page is finished</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">40 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle WP:FEB24 page is finished subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Cosmetic_changes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cosmetic_changes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.1</span> <span>Cosmetic changes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Cosmetic_changes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Merging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Merging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Merging</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Merging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Check for sloppy work in the drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Points_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Points_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Points for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">23 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Points_for_deletion-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Points for deletion subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Points_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Question_about_wording" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_wording"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14.1</span> <span>Question about wording</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Question_about_wording-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Backlog_drive_-_categories" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Backlog_drive_-_categories"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Backlog drive - categories</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Backlog_drive_-_categories-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Avoiding multiple editors working on same article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Suggestion for WikiProjects</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_scoring_points" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_scoring_points"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Question about scoring points</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_scoring_points-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reviews" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reviews"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Reviews</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reviews-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Newspapers.com_users_help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Newspapers.com_users_help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Newspapers.com users help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Newspapers.com_users_help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BLPs_in_the_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BLPs_in_the_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>BLPs in the drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-BLPs_in_the_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Points for adding more references to articles?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reviewers_needed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reviewers_needed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Reviewers needed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Reviewers_needed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Goal_for_the_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Goal_for_the_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Goal for the drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Goal_for_the_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Search_function" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Search_function"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Search function</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Search_function-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>What about unreferenced articles that haven't been tagged?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>MassMessage at the start of the drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Drive_has_begun" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Drive_has_begun"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Drive has begun</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Drive_has_begun-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Review_workflow" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Review_workflow"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Review workflow</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Review_workflow-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Total_number_of_cites_added" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Total_number_of_cites_added"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Total number of cites added</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Total_number_of_cites_added-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Drive_leaderboard_updating" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Drive_leaderboard_updating"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Drive leaderboard updating</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Drive_leaderboard_updating-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-For_posterity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#For_posterity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>For posterity</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-For_posterity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Deletions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Deletions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Iskar,_Afghanistan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Iskar,_Afghanistan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Iskar, Afghanistan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Iskar,_Afghanistan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_if..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_if..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>What if...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-What_if...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Popular" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Popular"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Popular</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Popular-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span><i>How Much Is Your Iron?</i></span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tally_update?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tally_update?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Tally update?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">52 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Tally_update?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Move leaderboard to a subpage</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>List</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Footbridge_across_a_Ditch"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span><i>Footbridge across a Ditch</i></span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Alphabetise the February reviews?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-source_standards" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#source_standards"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>source standards</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">22 comments</span> <ul id="toc-source_standards-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Increase_reviews_to_1_point?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Increase reviews to 1 point?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Clarification" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Clarification"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Clarification</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">15 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Clarification-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Stub_Fu" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Stub_Fu"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Stub Fu</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Stub_Fu-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>FEB24 <i>vis-à-vis</i> FEB28</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Adding a source after removing unambiguously unreliable sources?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Kush_(mountain)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Kush_(mountain)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Kush (mountain)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Kush_(mountain)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Failed_reviews" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Failed_reviews"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Failed reviews</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Failed_reviews-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Problematic_user?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Problematic_user?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Problematic user?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">15 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Problematic_user?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Please remove me from the leaderboard</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Does Wikipedia need an article on Moisture?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rough_Magic" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rough_Magic"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Rough Magic</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Rough_Magic-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-For_your_entertainment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#For_your_entertainment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>For your entertainment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-For_your_entertainment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Quick_question" 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id="toc-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Camaldolese Priory, Kraków</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>What is the threshold for failing?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Self-assessment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Self-assessment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>Self-assessment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Self-assessment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Proposal: Pass reviews for mistagged articles if sufficient work was done</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Goal_reached!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Goal_reached!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Goal reached!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Goal_reached!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>Power to the People (Transnistria)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>Is this drive encouraging bad edits for the sake of a badge?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Finding_submissions_to_review" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Finding_submissions_to_review"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>Finding submissions to review</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Finding_submissions_to_review-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Future" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Future"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>Future</span> </div> </a> <span 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<span>Final leaderboard update</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Final_leaderboard_update-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bot_underreporting_reviews" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bot_underreporting_reviews"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>Bot underreporting reviews</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bot_underreporting_reviews-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tool_for_unreviewed_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Tool for unreviewed edits</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Archive 1">Archive 1</a></td><td>←</td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Archive 3">Archive 3</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Archive 4">Archive 4</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 5</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Archive 6">Archive 6</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_2023_update" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_2023_update-20231104231500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_2023_update-20231104231500"></span>November 2023 update<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_2023_update-20231104231500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-November_2023_update"></span>Happy November, party people! I hope everyone is doing well. </p> <ul><li><b>Headline</b>: We have cleared 2970 articles between September and November. The total number of articles tagged as unreferenced is <b>below 117,000</b> for the first time since I have been keeping track. For perspective, there were 135,240 articles in November 2022. That's a decrease of 18,242 articles in one year - a huge accomplishment!! (As always, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/please-clap">please clap</a>.) If we continue on this trajectory, we will be below 100,000 by this time next year.</li></ul> <ul><li><b>Highlights</b>: August and September 2007 are at last in the dustbin of history where they belong.</li></ul> <ul><li><b>Low-hanging fruit</b>: October 2007 is hovering at a tantalizing 106. If anyone has a passion for Sligo Intermediate Football Championships, have I got the category for you.</li></ul> <ul><li><b>High-hanging fruit</b>: Everyone's favourite BFC (Big Friendly Category) December 2009 is a comely 16,017 articles as of this writing - fewer calories but just as much body as the original. September 2013 and 2020 continue to vex me with the piles of mass-created stubs that likely do not mean the general notability criteria. More worthwhile, June 2019 has hundreds and hundreds of unreferenced sports articles. Is anyone involved with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sports" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports">WikiProject Sports</a> and would be interested in taking a look?</li> <li><b>Proposal</b> - If anyone is taking a batch of articles that do not meet criteria to keep to AfD or applying a lot of PRODs at once, please make a note of it here so that other URA volunteers can either endorse deletion/merging or pitch in to shape up the article (see the work on <a href="/wiki/Kerry_Corner" title="Kerry Corner">Kerry Corner</a> with @<a href="/wiki/User:Tutwakhamoe" title="User:Tutwakhamoe">Tutwakhamoe</a> for what I humbly believe is a good example of this).</li> <li><b>Collaboration</b> - Our editor in arms @<a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a> has revived <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_improvement" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub improvement">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub improvement</a>. I think this would be an excellent opportunity to have a joint campaign (assuming someone over there knows how to put together a campaign); alternatively, I think getting a little profile in the Signpost about the (active) Wiki Fix-Up Projects (see the homepage for a list) would be a great boost for both projects' project-wide profiles.</li> <li><b>Results</b>: November 2013 narrowly edged out December 2013, 405 to 407 articles. Happy Scorpio season to all those who observe.</li> <li><b>New challenge</b>: No ties at this update but it would be great if someone could figure out how to put a date on all those 'undated' unreferenced tags - they are really cramping my spreadsheet style. If you can do this, you will be rewarded with a rare, highly coveted picture of my cat Jellybean in a Santa hat. Wowza.</li></ul> <p>Have a fantastic rest of the year - the next update will be in 2024! Happy editing <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-November_2023_update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-November_2023_update"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-November_2023_update"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20231224162800-Kazamzam-20231104231500"></span>Love it <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a>, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20231224162800-Kazamzam-20231104231500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 24 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20231224162800-Kazamzam-20231104231500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20231224162800-Kazamzam-20231104231500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Challenge" data-mw-thread-id="h-Challenge-20240102044600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Challenge-20240102044600"></span>Challenge<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Challenge-20240102044600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600-Challenge"></span>Why do we still allow unreferenced articles to exist in 2024? Enough. I challenge myself to make <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_January_2024" title="Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024">Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024</a> and onwards empty. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600-Challenge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600-Challenge"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600-Challenge"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoeNMLC-20240103160700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600"></span>Greetings @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> - Thank you for doing this challenge. While the bulk of my wikipedia time is for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan" title="Wikipedia:Orphan">WP:Orphan</a>, I do like to visit this wikiproject from time-to-time. <ul><li>Within <i>List of xxxx</i> articles, these are generally easy to find & add sources, especially the older ones. Mainly because those lists have many wikilinked articles.</li></ul> <ol><li>For a mix of old and newer articles: <a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">Category:All articles lacking sources</a>, and select <i>Li</i> section</li> <li>For old articles, <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:Articles lacking sources">Category:Articles lacking sources</a> by month, and choose a specific month-year</li> <li>With <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Orphanage/Petscan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Orphanage/Petscan">Petscan tool</a>, filter for combined categories</li></ol></dd> <dd>Both WP Orphan and WP Unref project have a number of people working to tag articles, and fewer working to improve those tagged articles, hence the backlog. So thank you for helping. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JoeNMLC-20240103160700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoeNMLC-20240103160700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoeNMLC-20240103160700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oldsanfelipe2-20240208173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: You are an inspiration! I am also in awe of what fellow Wikipedians are accomplishing during this challenge.</dd> <dd>A few years ago, perhaps in 2019, I attempted to revive WikiProject Houston, but instead I found there was no collaborative work being done, so I petitioned to deactivate the WikiProject. What I had hoped to do as a collaboration was examine every Houston stub article, find inline citations for articles that had none, improve the sources and improve the articles to Start-Class for as many articles as possible, then repeat the process for Houston Start-Class articles. I re-started this task on my own, and I am about two-thirds of the way through the Houston stubs: removing tags and re-rating articles when appropriate, and tagging unsourced articles. Next I will find sources for those I tagged. After that, I will see how many articles I can improve to Start-Class. Where notability is difficult to establish, those are candidates for merge proposals.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Oldsanfelipe2" title="User:Oldsanfelipe2">Oldsanfelipe2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oldsanfelipe2" title="User talk:Oldsanfelipe2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Oldsanfelipe2-20240208173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oldsanfelipe2-20240208173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oldsanfelipe2-20240208173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240102044600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="January_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-January_2024-20231104231500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-January_2024-20231104231500"></span>January 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-January_2024-20231104231500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-January_2024"></span>Happy New Year, party people! I hope everyone is doing swimmingly. </p> <ul><li><b>Headline</b>: We cleared <b><u>2784</u></b> articles between November and January! It is a less than the 2970 articles cleared from September to November 2023 but I'm attributing that to decreased editing during the holidays. Nevertheless, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/please-clap">please clap</a>.)</li></ul> <ul><li><b>Highlights</b>: October 2007 has decreased by 98.11%! What!</li></ul> <ul><li><b>Low-hanging fruit</b>: November 2007 is hovering at an enticing 22 articles left. I don't know about you, but I'm feeling <a href="/wiki/22_(Taylor_Swift_song)" title="22 (Taylor Swift song)">22</a>.</li> <li><b>Announcements</b>: Editor-in-arms @<a href="/wiki/User:Altamel" title="User:Altamel">Altamel</a> will hopefully be doing the annual update of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Historical_data" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Historical data">historical data</a> in mid-February. I think we can definitely kick October and November into the <a href="/wiki/Dustbin_of_history" class="mw-redirect" title="Dustbin of history">dustbin of history</a> where they belong by then with concerted effort.</li></ul> <ul><li><b>High-hanging fruit</b>: Everyone's favourite BFC (Big Friendly Category) December 2009 is a statuesque 15,516 articles as of this writing - family-friendly but built for speed. The other high-hanging fruit are what I'm calling the Frustrating Five (name open for revision): February 2016 (1046), April 2019 (1397), May 2019 (2500), June 2019 (5201), and September 2020 (1494). As always, they vex me. Furthermore, editor-in-arms @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> has already declared a mission to get January 2024 to zero and keep it there. Godspeed.</li> <li><b>Proposal</b> - The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Fungi/Lichen_task_force" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi/Lichen task force">Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi/Lichen task force</a> folks have a newsletter that gets sent out to the project members who opt in. Would anyone be interested in receiving something like this?</li> <li><b>Collaboration</b> - Trying to figure out the aforementioned pitch for the Signpost, stay tuned.</li> <li><b>Results</b>: Someone got rid of all the undated tags, wow! Ask and ye shall receive! There would be a photo but a) no one claimed <a href="/wiki/Sweet_Victory" class="mw-redirect" title="Sweet Victory">sweet victory</a> and b) my cat had to go to the vet today for stomach issues and I would feel bad tormenting Jellybean further.</li> <li><b>New challenge</b>: July and August 2012 are tied for 599 articles. To make up for the lack of Santa!Jellybean, the grand prize for the next challenge is a picture of Jellybean in a St. Patrick's Day hat AND bowtie. Gadzooks. This is how you <a href="/wiki/Inflation-adjusted" class="mw-redirect" title="Inflation-adjusted">adjust for inflation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jerome_Powell" title="Jerome Powell">Jerome</a>.</li></ul> <p>Have a fantastic start of the year - the next update will be in March! Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-January_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-January_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20231104231500-January_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Technical_error" data-mw-thread-id="h-Technical_error-20240106165300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Technical_error-20240106165300"></span>Technical error<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Technical_error-20240106165300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300-Technical_error"></span>Just a heads up here, our main page is bricked due to too many parser function (and template) calls – see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EXPENSIVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EXPENSIVE">WP:EXPENSIVE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300-Technical_error" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300-Technical_error"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300-Technical_error"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240107121400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300"></span>Now resolved. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240107121400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240107121400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240107121400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240106165300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sorting_by_topic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sorting_by_topic-20240112042800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sorting_by_topic-20240112042800"></span>Sorting by topic<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sorting_by_topic-20240112042800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunDawn-20240112042800-Sorting_by_topic"></span>Hello, I came here because of the RFC concerning the unreferenced article. I wonder if there is a way to sort all of the articles by topics? Right now I can see articles being sorted by dates - and then by topics. Do we have an option to sort every unreferenced articles by topics and not dates? Thank you very much! <a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">✠ SunDawn ✠</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunDawn" title="User talk:SunDawn"><span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(contact)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SunDawn-20240112042800-Sorting_by_topic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunDawn-20240112042800-Sorting_by_topic"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunDawn-20240112042800-Sorting_by_topic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoeNMLC-20240112045100-SunDawn-20240112042800"></span>Greetings @<a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn">SunDawn</a> - at <a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">Category:All articles lacking sources</a> there is a topics filter. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JoeNMLC-20240112045100-SunDawn-20240112042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoeNMLC-20240112045100-SunDawn-20240112042800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoeNMLC-20240112045100-SunDawn-20240112042800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunDawn-20240112083600-JoeNMLC-20240112045100"></span>Thank you, this will be very helpful to me. I will add references in topics that I understand well. Have a good day! <a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">✠ SunDawn ✠</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunDawn" title="User talk:SunDawn"><span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(contact)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SunDawn-20240112083600-JoeNMLC-20240112045100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunDawn-20240112083600-JoeNMLC-20240112045100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunDawn-20240112083600-JoeNMLC-20240112045100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112111400-SunDawn-20240112083600"></span>SunDawn</a>, thank you so so much for helping with the project! After dealing with <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_January_2024" title="Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024">Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024</a> I would focus more on citing spaceflight articles. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112111400-SunDawn-20240112083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112111400-SunDawn-20240112083600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112111400-SunDawn-20240112083600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Backlog_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Backlog_drive-20240112144100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Backlog_drive-20240112144100"></span>Backlog drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Backlog_drive-20240112144100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100-Backlog_drive"></span>Please help test out a mock backlog drive at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Test_backlog_drive" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Test backlog drive">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Test backlog drive</a>. Your feedback on the page is greatly appreciated. Courtesy ping to @<a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100-Backlog_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100-Backlog_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100-Backlog_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240112151900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: Isn't the part about requiring addressing other cleanup tags a bit out of the scope of this project? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240112151900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240112151900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240112151900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200-ARandomName123-20240112151900"></span>True I guess. But I think that this is usually what I will do in practice before citing, especially for content-wide issues such as adverts and spams. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200-ARandomName123-20240112151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200-ARandomName123-20240112151900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200-ARandomName123-20240112151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240112152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200"></span>Agree with @<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>'s point - addressing issues such as orphan status, copyright violations, COI, etc. is beyond the scope of a backlog drive specifically about adding one (1) inline citation. That could be worth extra points perhaps but shouldn't be part of the required criteria. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240112152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240112152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240112152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112152200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunDawn-20240112152200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100"></span>Thank you for starting the backlog test. I disagree that we have to AFD/PROD the article if we can't find any source. If we can't find one, isn't it better to "leave" it to other editors who might have better way to find references to do that? Will the progress be tracked by bots or we have to self-report articles we fix? Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">✠ SunDawn ✠</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunDawn" title="User talk:SunDawn"><span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(contact)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SunDawn-20240112152200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunDawn-20240112152200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunDawn-20240112152200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112144100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240112152500-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn">SunDawn</a> - agreed that AfD/PROD might not be the best option BUT it would likely for editors to know that someone has tried and failed to find sources. After how many times do we give up? <dl><dd>In terms of reporting, I know that the Asian Month competition has a submission portal where articles are assessed by a bot but these have to be submitted by the user so a bit of both. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240112152500-SunDawn-20240112152200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240112152500-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240112152500-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240112152900-Kazamzam-20240112152500"></span>I think leaving a dummy edit might work to let other editors know someone has already tried to find a source. imo, if a second editor also can't find a source, it could probably be sent to AfD or PROD. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240112152900-Kazamzam-20240112152500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240112152900-Kazamzam-20240112152500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240112152900-Kazamzam-20240112152500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-ARandomName123-20240112152900"></span>I think it should be sent to this talk page for centralization. If there is too many requests then we could make a new sub page for that. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-ARandomName123-20240112152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-ARandomName123-20240112152900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-ARandomName123-20240112152900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span>It's really due to an editor's judgement because a significant percentage of articles in my experience with working with the backlog will need to get PRODed. If an article has a reasonable chance for being notable then of course they are encouraged to let others in the WikiProject know. The progress bar will be tracked automatically by category count (built-in) and the result will be tallied up, ideally everyday but could be once/twice a week if we don't have enough people. That's why I have made a requirement to add a specific edit summary. Participating and maintaining the drive should be as effortless as possible. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-SunDawn-20240112152200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000"></span>In terms of points, it is simple. Count the number of articles sourced, excluding AfDs/PRODs. Extra 0.5 points if you managed to clean up the remaining clean up templates, extra 0.5 if the article is fully cited. The extra points are significant enough to warrant some attention, but not too high so that it would distract from the drive's goal. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000"></span>Using Twinkle to remove tags should also be allowed. It leaves a consistent edit summary, and there's no need to go back to the backlog page to copy-paste the message <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240112153300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240112153200-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span>Something I'm concerned about is the quality of referencing. As you noted, we need to be wary of mirror sites, using the topic's official website as a source, predatory journals, sites like Lulu.com (I hate Lulu.com so much it's giving me an ulcer), etc. We can't give people points/barnstars for doing a quick, sloppy job, and I think the only way to confirm that this isn't happening is for human oversight of the references - doable, but likely those editors checking won't have much time to participate themselves.</dd> <dd>Another annoying but smaller note is when people put the inline citation <i>before</i> the period - pet peeve of all time. I don't want to copyeditor guild to get on our case because people are doing a terrible job and slapping a URA banner on their edits. Maybe something similar to NPP's tutorial would be helpful here.</dd> <dd>Final thought: there is an edit summary that I use every time for a referencing edit that would be helpful in addition to a banner on the talk page. Can we brainstorm something like this? Very excited to see this getting some motion!! <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240112153200-SunDawn-20240112152200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240112153200-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240112153200-SunDawn-20240112152200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240112153400-Kazamzam-20240112153200"></span>iirc, there's a bot that automatically moves the period to before the inline cite. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240112153400-Kazamzam-20240112153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240112153400-Kazamzam-20240112153200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240112153400-Kazamzam-20240112153200"></span> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153900-Kazamzam-20240112153200"></span>Yes, you are correct. IMO there should be more improvements toward <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Hints_and_tips" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Hints and tips">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Hints and tips</a> by adding a reasonably reliable source database for common unreferenced article topics and common strategies towards finding RS. Oversighting over every single edits can cause the drive's momentum to slow down, so I think we should AGF towards editors for doing the right thing and perform random checks on every editors every once a while. If <a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="Special:RecentChanges">Special:RecentChanges</a> or <a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked" title="Special:RecentChangesLinked">Special:RelatedChanges</a> can be configured for this, that would be very helpful.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AWB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AWB">WP:AWB</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JWB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JWB">WP:JWB</a> combined with <a href="/wiki/Regex" class="mw-redirect" title="Regex">regex</a> can take care of that. Of course we should mention this in the detailed instructions section as well.</li> <li>The first edit towards an article should always be "Add references during <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Test_backlog_drive" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Test backlog drive">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Test backlog drive</a>". That is good enough to advertise the drive and project.</li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153900-Kazamzam-20240112153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153900-Kazamzam-20240112153200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112153900-Kazamzam-20240112153200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200-Backlog_drive"></span>I'm gonna clean up a few articles in the backlog and test out the drive page to see what's missing. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200-Backlog_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200-Backlog_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200-Backlog_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200"></span>Looking good now. There are three things we need to do now before the Great Backlog Drive: <ul><li>Actually finishing up the backlog and see if the page is ergonomic enough</li> <li>Improve sourcing tips</li> <li>Devise ways to advertise/get new editors to join in</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240112164800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300"></span>Advertisements could probably be through the standard routes: Messages to members of the project, that message thing at the top of watchlists, etc. Depending on how long this takes to set up, we could try to get something in the Signpost as well. Also, have we decided on a way to track individual editor's progress yet? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240112164800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240112164800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240112164800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165800-ARandomName123-20240112164800"></span>We could probably get something to the Signpost though it is likely that we need to contact the editor-in-chief beforehand, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JPxG">JPxG</a></span> (not pinged). The 'real' backlog drive I envision be from July-December 2023 (working from new to old because recent sources are easier for editors outside this project to find), which total up to 3153 articles.</dd> <dd>About tracking editor's progress, I will volunteer for doing that. Because everyone is using the same edit summary (hopefully speaking) it should be easy for me to find edits that is linked to the drive. The more common way is to ask the editors to put links to the drive page but I think it might not be ideal for editors. Let's see which approach is more ideal in this test backlog drive. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165800-ARandomName123-20240112164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165800-ARandomName123-20240112164800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165800-ARandomName123-20240112164800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240112164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300"></span>Pertinent question for scoring - do more reference earn more points? I just finished sourcing <a href="/wiki/Had%C3%A8s" title="Hadès">Hadès</a>, a French short-range ballistic missile system, with four different sources. It's a long article so there's more to work with. Should there be some consideration for the original length of the article and how much was added to it? This is also tricky because so many of these articles are 1-3 line stubs. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240112164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240112164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240112164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112164300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200-Kazamzam-20240112164900"></span>That's a pretty tricky question. I don't want to overcomplicate the scoring system and keep it simple, but obviously, 5 sources are much more effort than 2. We should have some way to encourage editors to do so or even develop these stubs into fully-fledged articles. IMO the best way to deal with this is not with points but with a "Hall of Fame" of some sorts for recognizing special achievements. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200-Kazamzam-20240112164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200-Kazamzam-20240112164900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200-Kazamzam-20240112164900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240112173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200"></span>In some cases, an uncontroversial blar/merge might be performed. Should this be mentioned in the backlog drive page, and should this earn points? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240112173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240112173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240112173200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112165200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173400-ARandomName123-20240112173200"></span>I don't know to be honest. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173400-ARandomName123-20240112173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173400-ARandomName123-20240112173200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173400-ARandomName123-20240112173200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240112173500-ARandomName123-20240112173200"></span>The good thing about this backlog drive is that it will go on for a while - I'm guessing about a month. What is "uncontroversial" is subjective so I think the guidelines could suggest that editors put the merge tag on with a discussion/rationale for why they think it should be merged/deleted and after a week, make the merge. If the merge is successful (and therefore removes an unreferenced article from the tally), points are awarded. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240112173500-ARandomName123-20240112173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240112173500-ARandomName123-20240112173200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240112173500-ARandomName123-20240112173200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800-Kazamzam-20240112173500"></span>This is after all a test drive to iron out major issues before the much bigger backlog drive, so yeah, don't feel too stressed out about awarding points correctly. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800-Kazamzam-20240112173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800-Kazamzam-20240112173500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800-Kazamzam-20240112173500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114142400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800"></span>I'm currently creating a systematic mailing list for the drive at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Mailing_list" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Mailing list">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Mailing list</a> based from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Volunteers" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Volunteers">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Volunteers</a>. This mailing list is not redundant with /Volunteers because some people might want to opt-out from the mailing list. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114142400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114142400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114142400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240112173800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre-20240114081300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre-20240114081300"></span>Trouble at <a href="/wiki/British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre" title="British Oceanographic Data Centre">British Oceanographic Data Centre</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre-20240114081300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre"></span>It has been 2 days and I still have not found an independent source that mentions the British Oceanographic Data Centre. Normally I would just PROD it but the BODC has a lot of primary source coverage in journals and it seems that I have not look hard enough. Could somebody here help find a reliable secondary source for the org? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300-Trouble_at_British_Oceanographic_Data_Centre"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300"></span>I have added some, but I'm not exactly sure if they are independent. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeraxmoira" title="User:Jeraxmoira">Jeraxmoira🐉</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeraxmoira" title="User talk:Jeraxmoira">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114081300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114141700-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400"></span>Thanks a lot, <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114141700-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114141700-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240114141700-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240114141900-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400"></span>Added some as well + the official website. That being said, I don't think Helen Snaith is the head of BODC - she seems to be a senior scientist, or so my search results tell me. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240114141900-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240114141900-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240114141900-Jeraxmoira-20240114095400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fresh_barnstars" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fresh_barnstars-20240115165100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fresh_barnstars-20240115165100"></span>Fresh barnstars<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fresh_barnstars-20240115165100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; 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height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="200 articles cited"><img alt="200 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg/104px-Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg/156px-Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg/208px-Uncited_Barnstar_7.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">200 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="300 articles cited"><img alt="300 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg/104px-Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg/156px-Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg/208px-Uncited_Barnstar_8.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">300 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="500 articles cited"><img alt="500 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg/104px-Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg/156px-Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg/208px-Uncited_Barnstar_9.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">500 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="750 articles cited"><img alt="750 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg/104px-Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg/156px-Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg/208px-Uncited_Barnstar_10.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">750 articles cited</div> </li> </ul> <p>What do you think about these barnstars? These barnstars are meant for the upcoming drive, where each tier corresponds to a certain level of uncited articles cited. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100-Fresh_barnstars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100-Fresh_barnstars"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100-Fresh_barnstars"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240115175000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: Not going to lie, they aren't the best, though that may be because I'm not used to a hexagonal shape. The curly brackets are a bit cramped, and the markup is a bit funky.</dd> <dd>There was a planned backlog drive for WikiProject Reliability that never really happened, so maybe we could take some stuff from there if you want? It's at <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra/drive_draft" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cremastra/drive draft">User:Cremastra/drive draft</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240115175000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240115175000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240115175000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240115175100-ARandomName123-20240115175000"></span>Not that I'm opposed to new barnstars though. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240115175100-ARandomName123-20240115175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240115175100-ARandomName123-20240115175000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240115175100-ARandomName123-20240115175000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500-ARandomName123-20240115175100"></span>I think it is better to call them badges rather than barnstars. I want to show a gradual and logical progression in the badges instead of the chaotic selection of barnstars. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500-ARandomName123-20240115175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500-ARandomName123-20240115175100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500-ARandomName123-20240115175100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240116002800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500"></span>Oh, yeah sure, that sounds fine. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240116002800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240116002800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240116002800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116002500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240116005900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100"></span>I love love love the inline citation system as a badge/barnstar/whatever you want to call it. Personally I think the [1] is the best of them all and the rest gets too cluttered - I would just increase the number as needed. I like the hexagons but agree about probably not calling them barnstars because that's a very specific and well-branded image. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240116005900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240116005900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240116005900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240115165100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116023000-Kazamzam-20240116005900"></span>Agreed too! I will try to make a more subtle badge system now... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116023000-Kazamzam-20240116005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116023000-Kazamzam-20240116005900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240116023000-Kazamzam-20240116005900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; 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height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_5.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="50 articles cited"><img alt="50 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Citation_badge_5.svg/104px-Citation_badge_5.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Citation_badge_5.svg/156px-Citation_badge_5.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Citation_badge_5.svg/208px-Citation_badge_5.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">50 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_6.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="100 articles cited"><img alt="100 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Citation_badge_6.svg/104px-Citation_badge_6.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Citation_badge_6.svg/156px-Citation_badge_6.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Citation_badge_6.svg/208px-Citation_badge_6.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">100 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_7.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="200 articles cited"><img alt="200 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Citation_badge_7.svg/104px-Citation_badge_7.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Citation_badge_7.svg/156px-Citation_badge_7.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Citation_badge_7.svg/208px-Citation_badge_7.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">200 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_8.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="300 articles cited"><img alt="300 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Citation_badge_8.svg/104px-Citation_badge_8.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Citation_badge_8.svg/156px-Citation_badge_8.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Citation_badge_8.svg/208px-Citation_badge_8.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">300 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_9.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="500 articles cited"><img alt="500 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Citation_badge_9.svg/104px-Citation_badge_9.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Citation_badge_9.svg/156px-Citation_badge_9.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Citation_badge_9.svg/208px-Citation_badge_9.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">500 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_10.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="750 articles cited"><img alt="750 articles cited" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Citation_badge_10.svg/104px-Citation_badge_10.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Citation_badge_10.svg/156px-Citation_badge_10.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Citation_badge_10.svg/208px-Citation_badge_10.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">750 articles cited</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_N.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Top 1 of the drive"><img alt="Top 1 of the drive" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Citation_badge_N.svg/104px-Citation_badge_N.svg.png" decoding="async" width="104" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Citation_badge_N.svg/156px-Citation_badge_N.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Citation_badge_N.svg/208px-Citation_badge_N.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Top 1 of the drive</div> </li> </ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a>, here's my new badge design. Do you like it? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800-Fresh_barnstars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800-Fresh_barnstars"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800-Fresh_barnstars"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240117134200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800"></span>Sure, that seems better, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240117134200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240117134200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240117134200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240117143200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800"></span>Definitely! My coworker said they reminded him a little of the Imperial logo from Star Wars (it's a compliment from him).</dd> <dd>In terms of the final badge for the top 1 of the drive, what number would you imagine putting there? I might even replace the number with something like a gold star or a medal, etc. It would be a bit odd to go 1-10 and then 1023, for example. Also I think most drives have a first, second, and third place so it might be worthwhile to do something like a gold-silver-bronze badge, if possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240117143200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240117143200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240117143200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117130800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117144000-Kazamzam-20240117143200"></span>Tell your coworker that I thanks him a lot for the compliment! I really do appreciate it as it is the first time I work with vector graphics.</dd> <dd>Let me make a textured gold, silver and bronze version of the badges... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117144000-Kazamzam-20240117143200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117144000-Kazamzam-20240117143200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240117144000-Kazamzam-20240117143200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="sort_by_page_views?" data-mw-thread-id="h-sort_by_page_views?-20240116191900"><span id="sort_by_page_views.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-sort_by_page_views?-20240116191900"></span>sort by page views?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-sort_by_page_views?-20240116191900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-115.188.140.167-20240116191900-sort_by_page_views?"></span>There are some unreferenced articles that are consistently getting over <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2023-01&end=2023-12&pages=Per_capita_income">15000 views every month</a> yet still being unreferenced. Is there a list of the most viewed unreferenced articles or could we get one? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/115.188.140.167" title="Special:Contributions/115.188.140.167">115.188.140.167</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:115.188.140.167" title="User talk:115.188.140.167">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-115.188.140.167-20240116191900-sort_by_page_views?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-115.188.140.167-20240116191900-sort_by_page_views?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-115.188.140.167-20240116191900-sort_by_page_views?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoeNMLC-20240116210300-sort_by_page_views?"></span>Greetings @<a href="/wiki/User_talk:115.188.140.167" title="User talk:115.188.140.167">IP user 115.188.140.167</a>, I ran a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org">Pageviews request</a>. Here are results, in a plain text format. The request defaulted to 20,000 article limit for performance and I did not want to download all those articles, so I did a simple copy-paste of the first 20 only.</dd></dl> <p><code> https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=category&range=latest-20&subjectpage=0&subcategories=0&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources </code> </p><p>Category:All articles lacking sources 12/26/2023 - 1/15/2024 </p> <ul><li>Daily average</li></ul> <p>Totals 17,391 pages 1,435,191 68,342 </p> <ol><li><s>À 16,042 — 764 / day</s></li> <li>List of dialling codes in Germany 12,515 — 596 / day</li> <li>2006 PDC World Darts Championship 7,682 — 366 / day</li> <li><s>2002–03 NBA season 7,662 — 365 / day</s></li> <li>2005 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships rosters 6,747 — 321 / day</li> <li>1998 African Cup of Nations 6,491 — 309 / day</li> <li>1982 NBA Finals 5,964 — 284 / day</li> <li>1999–2000 NBA season 5,942 — 283 / day</li> <li>2005 PDC World Darts Championship 5,485 — 261 / day</li> <li>List of Absolutely Fabulous characters 5,352 — 255 / day</li> <li>The Bill (series 20) 5,322 — 253 / day</li> <li>List of barons in the peerages of Britain and Ireland 4,961 — 236 / day</li> <li>AFI's 100 Years...100 Passions 4,905 — 234 / day</li> <li>Anne of Green Gables: The Continuing Story 4,583 — 218 / day</li> <li>Adult standards 4,297 — 205 / day</li> <li>1959 African Cup of Nations 4,275 — 204 / day</li> <li>2015 Pac-12 Football Championship Game 4,079 — 194 / day</li> <li>Balumama 4,000 — 190 / day</li> <li>Bec de corbin 3,949 — 188 / day</li> <li>1984–85 NBA season 3,895 — 185 / day</li></ol> <p>Using this category at Massviews/Pageviews should be what you are looking for. I do not know how (or if possible) to restrict the request to the first 1,000 instead of 20,000 default. And it's possible to "look back" to an different time window instead of the default. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JoeNMLC-20240116210300-sort_by_page_views?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoeNMLC-20240116210300-sort_by_page_views?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoeNMLC-20240116210300-sort_by_page_views?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240116215700-JoeNMLC-20240116210300"></span>Damn, I didn't expect some articles getting millions of views a day would be completely unreferenced. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240116215700-JoeNMLC-20240116210300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240116215700-JoeNMLC-20240116210300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240116215700-JoeNMLC-20240116210300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoeNMLC-20240116221300-ARandomName123-20240116215700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> - I add a Dash between the numbers above to clarify. Yes, there are two numbers, a plain text list. The first number is pageviews during 12/26/2023 - 1/15/2024. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JoeNMLC-20240116221300-ARandomName123-20240116215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoeNMLC-20240116221300-ARandomName123-20240116215700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoeNMLC-20240116221300-ARandomName123-20240116215700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240116221600-JoeNMLC-20240116221300"></span>Oh, the numbers seem much more reasonable now. Thanks for clearing it up! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240116221600-JoeNMLC-20240116221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240116221600-JoeNMLC-20240116221300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240116221600-JoeNMLC-20240116221300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dinosaur_hunting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dinosaur_hunting-20240117173300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dinosaur_hunting-20240117173300"></span>Dinosaur hunting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dinosaur_hunting-20240117173300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240117173300-Dinosaur_hunting"></span>What's the oldest article that you've found unreferenced? Not sure if it's a personal best but <a href="/wiki/Hughie_Critz" title="Hughie Critz">Hughie Critz</a> was unreferenced since June 2005. Woof. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240117173300-Dinosaur_hunting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240117173300-Dinosaur_hunting"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240117173300-Dinosaur_hunting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StarTrekker-20240117215200-Kazamzam-20240117173300"></span>Oh man, I can't recal any specific ones right now but yeah I've come across cases like that too.<a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarTrekker" title="User talk:StarTrekker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StarTrekker-20240117215200-Kazamzam-20240117173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StarTrekker-20240117215200-Kazamzam-20240117173300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarTrekker-20240117215200-Kazamzam-20240117173300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:FEB24_page_is_finished" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-20240120091600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-20240120091600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">WP:FEB24</a> page is finished<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-20240120091600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished"></span>I just finished creating the page for our backlog drive 10 days later. @<a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a>, how should the drive advertises itself? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120120200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: Thanks a lot for taking the time to organize this drive! There are three ways to spread the word: firstly, you've already added a mention in the administrators' newsletter, which is a great start. Secondly, you can request a watchlist notice at <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Watchlist-messages" title="MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-messages">MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-messages</a>. They can display any watchlist notice for only seven days, so my suggestion is to request it on 22 January, and it'll stay visible until 1 February. The third option is promoting through a mass message. To do this, you'll need subscribers; you can use any relevant subscription list to send out a mass message. You can request mass message delivery at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MMS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MMS">WT:MMS</a> or simply message me. Feel free to ask if you have any questions! – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240120120200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120120200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240120120200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600-DreamRimmer-20240120120200"></span>Thank you so much for the compliment! I've already made a mailing list at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Mailing_list" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Mailing list">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Mailing list</a> and sorted out the names. Everyone on that list is active on Wikipedia for at least once a month. I'm not sure about what to write so that people would come to the drive though... Could you help me doing so? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600-DreamRimmer-20240120120200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600-DreamRimmer-20240120120200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600-DreamRimmer-20240120120200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120151700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: I have prepared an invitation message <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Newsletter" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Newsletter">here</a>. Could you please take a look and let me know if any improvements are needed? I'm thinking of sending it now to get some participants before the drive starts. What do you think? – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240120151700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120151700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240120151700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120140600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900-DreamRimmer-20240120151700"></span>Wait a sec, let me adjust the theme color a bit... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900-DreamRimmer-20240120151700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900-DreamRimmer-20240120151700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900-DreamRimmer-20240120151700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> Done! I made the changes so that the notice would fit the theme of the drive better. Thank you so much for your help! <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120153000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400"></span>It looks good. You are really skilled at HTML and CSS. Ready to send? – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240120153000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120153000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240120153000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120152400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200-DreamRimmer-20240120153000"></span>Yes! <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200-DreamRimmer-20240120153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200-DreamRimmer-20240120153000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200-DreamRimmer-20240120153000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120154400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200"></span>Done, checked a few random pages, and it looks like it sent correctly. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240120154400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120154400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240120154400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120153200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300-DreamRimmer-20240120154400"></span>You're doing good work! As a suggestion, I'd recommend using a shortcut less generic than FEB24 though. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300-DreamRimmer-20240120154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300-DreamRimmer-20240120154400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300-DreamRimmer-20240120154400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120162400-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300"></span>Well, that's my mistake. I want that shortcut to be easy to type and memorable, and "February 2024" is the first thing that came to my mind. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120162400-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120162400-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120162400-Kj_cheetham-20240120162300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240120162800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>I wouldn't have published this yet because I am concerned that it's not finished and there are still issues to work out. I'm disappointed that this went out before there was an opportunity for project members and affiliates to give feedback because I don't think it's ready at all. For example:</li></ul> <dl><dd>1) What is this progress tracker and why does it have a set number of articles and participants? The article number should be the total number of articles tagged as unreferenced. <dl><dd>1.1) The progress bar shouldn't even be visible until February 1st.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>2) The categories with progress bars for July 2023 should be removed as we are not focusing specifically or exclusively on these categories and they don't represent the be all, end all of progress for the drive. Furthermore, the progress trackers do not matter until the drive begins so showing the progress since January 20th is confusing and unhelpful.</dd> <dd>3) <s>The "easy-to-cite" article section is not necessarily correct and should be removed. Those are the articles that get more views; this does not correlate with being easier to find independent, reliable, verifiable sources.</s></dd> <dd>4) <s>There is still a "more?" bullet-point in the 'Some tricks' section. This should have been removed before it was distributed to other editors via MediaWiki-talk.</s></dd> <dd>5) No discussion about being wary of mirror sources, how to reference properly (using the reflist template; the reference section goes before the external links section but after see also; the sfn template), etc.</dd> <dd>6) <s>"And of course, don't try to repeatedly doing anything stupid" <-- grammatically incorrect sentence.</s></dd> <dd>7) <s>"Repeated violations of the rules will disqualify the editor from the drive." <- no rules have been listed.</s></dd> <dd>8) I disagree that AfD/PRODs should count for zero points; they are an invaluable tool to helping to get through this backlog, as was repeatedly discussed in the RfC discussion that brought this backlog to see the light of day.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">WP:FEB24</a> page is clearly not finished and I am seriously concerned that not even 24 hours notice was given between this message being posted on the discussion page to the editor talk page messages being sent. I think this is all happening way too quickly, given that I found 8 immediate concerns and I'm positive there are others. I think we should have waited until at least March to be in a strong position but now we have less than 11 days to get this entire house in order. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240120162800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240120162800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240120162800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240120163100-Kazamzam-20240120162800"></span>The drive banner is also not obvious on the URA Project main page. Ideally this would be something that would be displayed on the top of the Watchpage tab in the same way that Asian Month and the copywriters guild drives are. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240120163100-Kazamzam-20240120162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240120163100-Kazamzam-20240120162800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240120163100-Kazamzam-20240120162800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800-Kazamzam-20240120163100"></span>This is my fault. I tried to rush things in order to catch the momentum from that RfC, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">WP:NPP</a> after its January backlog and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CENT">WP:CENT</a>. I should have given more time to flesh out <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5/Test_backlog_drive&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Archive 5/Test backlog drive (page does not exist)">/Test backlog drive</a>. I figured that there's <i>no way</i> we can slay the whole <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_without_sources" title="Category:Articles without sources">Category:Articles without sources</a> in one month or even half a year. It's just not possible. For reference, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/January_2024" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/January 2024">WP:NPP's January 2024 drive</a>, with more than 125+ members participating the drive, have patrolled 9840 articles. It would be extremely difficult for us to find such a large number of editors that are that dedicated to the job. Now thinking back, I do agree that my 6-month drive range is a bit too conservative and we might need to increase it to 12-month, but honestly, dealing with the entirety of <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_without_sources" title="Category:Articles without sources">Category:Articles without sources</a> just feels like a moonshot to me.</dd> <dd>But yes. This is a mess that I've created. I should not have done this, and it might be too late to stop things now, considering that editors are now citing these articles and the notice has been sent out. This drive would become a disaster if these issues aren't being fixed quick. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800-Kazamzam-20240120163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800-Kazamzam-20240120163100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800-Kazamzam-20240120163100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> Should we postpone the drive? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240120165700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> - it's not your fault when you've been the force and heart of this entire drive, it's on us for not being more active in helping you. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and our drives will be more collaborative in the future. This is our first (of many!) and there are going to be some growing pains. I think it's too late to turn around, especially since the notices have already been sent out. All we can do now is try our very best to correct some of the issues and make this the best drive it can be. But also some of these are very easy fixes! We can address them one by one and cross them off as we go. Chin up! We will make it work like the patron saints of desperate causes, <a href="/wiki/Saint_Jude" class="mw-redirect" title="Saint Jude">Saint Jude</a> and <a href="/wiki/Tim_Gunn" title="Tim Gunn">Tim Gunn</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240120165700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240120165700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240120165700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120164900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240120170900-Kazamzam-20240120162800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: How do we deal with the progress tracker right now? Should it be commented out until Feb. 1? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240120170900-Kazamzam-20240120162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240120170900-Kazamzam-20240120162800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240120170900-Kazamzam-20240120162800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171200-ARandomName123-20240120170900"></span>Kazamzam has already done so. Right now I need to flesh out the "advice" section <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171200-ARandomName123-20240120170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171200-ARandomName123-20240120170900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171200-ARandomName123-20240120170900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240120170000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>Like Kazamzam, I'm a bit suprised at how quickly the mass messages were sent out. However, seeing as we can't recall the messages or anything, we'll just have to push to complete the page as soon as possible. There doesn't seem to be <i>too</i> much work, so I think we can still make it. Along with Kamzam's concerns, a few things I noticed was that the number of participants is 3121 for some reason and somebody seems to have already started. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240120170000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240120170000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240120170000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500-ARandomName123-20240120170000"></span>Sorry, didn't realise this hadn't started. I shall stop. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500-ARandomName123-20240120170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500-ARandomName123-20240120170000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500-ARandomName123-20240120170000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feralcateater000-20240121164400-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500"></span>ditto, also accidentally started yesterday. <a href="/wiki/User:Feralcateater000" title="User:Feralcateater000">Feralcateater000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feralcateater000" title="User talk:Feralcateater000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Feralcateater000-20240121164400-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feralcateater000-20240121164400-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feralcateater000-20240121164400-Lee_Vilenski-20240120170500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>What was the point with starting advertising for the drive (posting on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CBB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CBB">WP:CBB</a>) if it hasn't started yet? — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240120171800-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever">PerfectSoundWhatever</a>: The wording at CBB is a bit misleading, I'll fix that. Backlog drives are commonly advertised before they start to attract editors. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240120171800-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240120171800-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240120171800-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120172000-ARandomName123-20240120171800"></span>Sounds good, thanks. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120172000-ARandomName123-20240120171800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120172000-ARandomName123-20240120171800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120172000-ARandomName123-20240120171800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500"></span>WP:NPP</a> also did so when they sent out the watchlist-notice in order to get editors to register before the drive is initiated. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240120171500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120172100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900"></span>No comment on drive preparation: sending mass messages and advertising via other methods a week or two before it starts are standard steps to promote a drive. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240120172100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240120172100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240120172100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120171900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240120172800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>Instead of individual progress trackers for months, how about a progress graph for the entire backlog? Similar to the graphs at the NPP and AFC backlog drives. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240120172800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240120172800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240120172800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900-ARandomName123-20240120172800"></span>I thought that the graph extension is disabled? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900-ARandomName123-20240120172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900-ARandomName123-20240120172800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900-ARandomName123-20240120172800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240120173300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900"></span>We don't have to use that graph extension. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/November_2023_Backlog_Drive/ProgressChart" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/November 2023 Backlog Drive/ProgressChart">Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/November 2023 Backlog Drive/ProgressChart</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240120173300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240120173300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240120173300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120172900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>What's the policy for articles that are incorrectly tagged as unreferenced, but aren't really? E.g. includes a list of references but zero footnotes. I assume just changing the tag to the correct one doesn't earn points unless also adding a footnote? -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000"></span>That's a very good question. In my opinion addressing this with ".5 point" clause would be too much of a hassle. I will make sure to scan for them extensively by using JWB with regex, as well as possibly adding <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Reflist" title="Template:Reflist">reflist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in advance of the drive. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600-Kj_cheetham-20240120183000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600"></span>I agree probably not worth the hassle, and ideally people should be encouraged to add at least one actual footnote. I've seen articles which do have a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Reflist" title="Template:Reflist">reflist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> but still no footnotes too. Not sure how best to clarify this point on the page in case others wonder the same? -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120183600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184900-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200"></span>Well, if an article only has list of references with zero footnotes, to save time, we are not going to retag it to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:No_footnotes" title="Template:No footnotes">no footnotes</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and instead treating it as if it is uncited. Then we can move the list of footnotes to some sorts of a "further reading" section <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184900-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184900-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184900-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>Any concerns about people sending things to AfD too quickly by saying <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">AFD the article if it is not immediately obvious that the article should be deleted.</q>? Worth mentioning the need for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a>? -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184700-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200"></span>Done, though I think that "reliable source can found with the best of your effort" also emphasize on that point <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184700-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184700-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120184700-Kj_cheetham-20240120184200"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span>What about BOLD redirects? Often, the most effective way to "delete" a non-notable article is a redirect, especially obscure one liners. Will these count for points? — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121163400-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100"></span>Yes, it should be. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121163400-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121163400-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121163400-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240121163100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Cosmetic_changes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cosmetic_changes-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-20240120181300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cosmetic_changes-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-20240120181300"></span>Cosmetic changes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cosmetic_changes-WP:FEB24_page_is_finished-20240120181300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240120181300-Cosmetic_changes"></span>Let's use this area to suggest any edits/improvements to the drive page in the next 10 days before it goes live. </p> <ul><li>Would it be possible to add a number to each sign-up on the drive going forward and also retroactively? There are currently 14 editors signed up, I think it would show the great momentum we have (and encourage competition). <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240120181300-Cosmetic_changes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240120181300-Cosmetic_changes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240120181300-Cosmetic_changes"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240120181500-Kazamzam-20240120181300"></span>Sure, # will work, I believe <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240120181500-Kazamzam-20240120181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240120181500-Kazamzam-20240120181300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240120181500-Kazamzam-20240120181300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120182000-Kazamzam-20240120181300"></span>Well, you haven't joined the drive's member list, so... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120182000-Kazamzam-20240120181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120182000-Kazamzam-20240120181300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240120182000-Kazamzam-20240120181300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merging-20240120165500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merging-20240120165500"></span>Merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merging-20240120165500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500-Merging"></span>Hi! Any ideas what you do if you think the article in question should be merged? I'm going to open a merge discussion, but do we still edit with the summary or not? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500-Merging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500-Merging"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500-Merging"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240120170800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski">Lee Vilenski</a> - great question and thanks for the enthusiasm! We're still putting the final touches on how points will be awarded for AfDs and PRODs. Give us a little time to come to a consensus and we will get back to you soon. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240120170800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240120170800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240120170800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500"></span>Lee Vilenski</a>, because we agreed that deletion of an article awards one point and merging is one of the possible result in AfD or PROD, merging would also be awarded one point. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800-Lee_Vilenski-20240120165500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122060500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski">Lee Vilenski</a> well, now it shouldn't, because deletion proves to be way too contentious. Sorry, we are still working out on how to make the drive work. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122060500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122060500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122060500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121153800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive-20240121180500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive-20240121180500"></span>Check for sloppy work in the drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive-20240121180500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive"></span>This drive would address thousands of articles. We need to find a way to detect bogus tag removal and such, otherwise we could do untold damages to these articles and it would require an even greater amount of work to undo it, while keeping the project streamlined and efficient. One way I think we could do this is to perform three random check every week per participants? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500-Check_for_sloppy_work_in_the_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500"></span>The equivalent of this in NPP is e.g. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/January_2024/Re-reviews" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/January 2024/Re-reviews">Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/January 2024/Re-reviews</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122061400-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000"></span>I volunteer myself to review drive submissions. Add with general drive management, I probably won't be able to participate in the drive. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122061400-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122061400-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122061400-Kj_cheetham-20240121213000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500"></span>Give points for re-reviews, like the AfC drives. — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240121180500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400"></span>Hmm, that would require a different edit summary and a different process I guess... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240122150400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700"></span>If doing that, why bother with an edit summary and not just have a manual tracking page like NPP? Also for awareness, NPP only gives an extra barnstar for re-reviews I believe, not points. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122150700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003900-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300"></span>Because that will not be efficient and the number of rereviewed article would be tiny compare to the total number of submissions. The foundation of this drive is built with convenience to the participants in mind. I guess that making another edit summary like <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">WP:FEBREVIEW</code> might help solve this problem (new edit summary don't have "FEB24" to avoid conflict when finding submissions). <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003900-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003900-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003900-Kj_cheetham-20240122192300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Points_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Points_for_deletion-20240122034700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Points_for_deletion-20240122034700"></span>Points for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Points_for_deletion-20240122034700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SounderBruce-20240122034700-Points_for_deletion"></span>I would strongly discourage this from being an official point-giving action in backlog drive. It smells ripe for abuse, especially the example of blank-and-redirect (a standard tactic for serial disruptors), and seems to be against the spirit of improving the project. It should be properly trialed and discussed first. <b><a href="/wiki/User:SounderBruce" title="User:SounderBruce"><span style="background:#5d9731; color:white; padding:2px;">Sounder</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SounderBruce" title="User talk:SounderBruce"><span style="background:#1047AB; color:white; padding:2px;">Bruce</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SounderBruce-20240122034700-Points_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SounderBruce-20240122034700-Points_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SounderBruce-20240122034700-Points_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPxG-20240122043100-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span>I'll make the disclosure that I saw this because someone mentioned it on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISCORD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISCORD">WP:DISCORD</a>, but I agree with the above concern. There should never be a situation where people are given points for "winning" at adversarial discussion areas. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b></a>×<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPxG" title="Special:Contributions/JPxG"><b style="color: #029D74">g</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPxG" title="User talk:JPxG">🗯️</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JPxG-20240122043100-SounderBruce-20240122034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPxG-20240122043100-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPxG-20240122043100-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPxG-20240122084700-JPxG-20240122043100"></span>Let me clarify that I realize organizing backlog drives is a giant pain in the ass and I'm always grateful when people take the time to organize things that make editing fun and help out the project. As they say: "My pary are with" the organizers et cetera. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b></a>×<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPxG" title="Special:Contributions/JPxG"><b style="color: #029D74">g</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPxG" title="User talk:JPxG">🗯️</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JPxG-20240122084700-JPxG-20240122043100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPxG-20240122084700-JPxG-20240122043100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPxG-20240122084700-JPxG-20240122043100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SnowFire-20240122050500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span>To be clear, since this is the general talk page for the Unreferenced articles project, the above is concerning <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024</a>, which rewards points for "winning" at AFDs. I too saw this on Discord, for reference. This ill-advised idea absolutely should not happen and will result in disruption that makes its way to AN / ANI, and should just be boldly removed. There is no surer way to discredit the result of an AFD as being fair than awarding "points" for the result - if several members of the backlog drive go around voting up each other's AFDs, how will !keep voters feel about it? They'd call the whole process a farce and they'd be right, and the AFDs would probably need to be procedurally closed. There are a lot of articles that probably do need deletion, but that is not a backlog drive's problem. Let those discussions (or the rare mass nominations a la the Village Pump LUGSTUBS proposals) happen on their own. <a href="/wiki/User:SnowFire" title="User:SnowFire">SnowFire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SnowFire" title="User talk:SnowFire">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SnowFire-20240122050500-SounderBruce-20240122034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SnowFire-20240122050500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SnowFire-20240122050500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240122055200-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span>We're still ironing out the details of the backlog drive, since it came up only two days ago rather suddenly. The initial version of the drive did not include points for AFD/PROD, but that was added later when @<a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> brought it up earlier in the discussion. The BLAR portion was added by me, following a question from @<a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever">PerfectSoundWhatever</a> and agreement from @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>.</li></ul> <dl><dd>As of now, I believe that this drive should focus on adding references to articles and not deletions, so deletions, if awarded points, should not account for the same amount as an added reference. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240122055200-SounderBruce-20240122034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240122055200-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240122055200-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span>Agree with above concerns. We should not count AFDs or merges. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500-SounderBruce-20240122034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500"></span>I fixed the rules and add link to this discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122193800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800"></span>If you were going to do points for taking to AfD, it should be for just nominating it, not the outcome of it. Personally I agree with Kazamzam that AfD/PROD are useful tools to help clear the backlog, if used sensibly. I also agree with ARandomName123 it's not the focus, so reduced points is sensible, e.g. 0.5. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240122193800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122193800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122193800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122055800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20240123062500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span>If you merge or BLAR to an article that has referenced info on the topic, then you've solved the 'unreferenced' problem for the reader. I think that should count; many of the articles in this backlog don't meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAGEDECIDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAGEDECIDE">WP:PAGEDECIDE</a> after you remove the unverifiable stuff and we don't want to discourage people following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">WP:ATD</a>. I agree that gamifying deletion is a very bad idea, though. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Joe Roe (mobile)">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Joe Roe (mobile)">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20240123062500-SounderBruce-20240122034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20240123062500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20240123062500-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span>I also support reduced but not eliminated points. Awarding no points whatsoever ultimately functions to discourage deleting spam and non-notable pages, which lowers the quality of Wikipedia as a whole. 1/2 or 1/4 point would give an incentive to reference the article if they exist, as it will be an easier way to get points, unless the person is just redirecting at random, which could probably be checked by others. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000-SounderBruce-20240122034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000-SounderBruce-20240122034700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240126171200-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">Zxcvbnm</a> & @<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> - while I previously supported including points for AfD and PRODs, I have changed my opinion given the high probability of this being abused and overwhelming the AfD process. The purpose is providing sources - if an article cannot be sourced, a dummy edit summary or talk page message can be added to give other drive participants a head's up and we can move onto the next article. There's over 112,000 articles to reference; no one is going to go without opportunity. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240126171200-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240126171200-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240126171200-Zxcvbnm-20240126061000"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_about_wording" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_wording-Points_for_deletion-20240122134200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_wording-Points_for_deletion-20240122134200"></span>Question about wording<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_wording-Points_for_deletion-20240122134200"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20240122134200-Question_about_wording"></span>One of the criteria says "1 point for citing just one unreferenced section with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">Unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>" Is that meant to say "1 point for tagging just one unreferenced section with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">Unreferenced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>"? – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Jonesey95-20240122134200-Question_about_wording" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20240122134200-Question_about_wording"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20240122134200-Question_about_wording"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240122134500-Jonesey95-20240122134200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>: 1 point for adding a reference to a section that has the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">Unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tag. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240122134500-Jonesey95-20240122134200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240122134500-Jonesey95-20240122134200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240122134500-Jonesey95-20240122134200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700-ARandomName123-20240122134500"></span>For each article, <ul><li>1 point if you cite 1 section that has <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">Unreferenced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</li> <li>No additional point if you cite 2 or more sections that has <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">Unreferenced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</li></ul></dd> <dd>The main rationale here is that by allowing the latter, the point system would broke and people would divert their attention from citing other articles. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700-ARandomName123-20240122134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700-ARandomName123-20240122134500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700-ARandomName123-20240122134500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20240122134800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700"></span>How is that different from criterion #1, "1 point for adding at least one inline citation to a reliable source"? – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Jonesey95-20240122134800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20240122134800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20240122134800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240122135400-Jonesey95-20240122134800"></span>Criterion #1 is meant for articles that are entirely unsourced, criterion #3 is meant for sections. I guess they are pretty similar, so I'll merge the two criterion together. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240122135400-Jonesey95-20240122134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240122135400-Jonesey95-20240122134800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240122135400-Jonesey95-20240122134800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800-Jonesey95-20240122134800"></span>Ok, that criterion comes from my mistake. I thought that all transclusions of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, {{unreferenced|section}} and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">unreferenced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> would put the articles in <a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">Category:All articles lacking sources</a>, but in reality only <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is applicable.</dd> <dd>IMO we should only allow articles that are taken from <a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">Category:All articles lacking sources</a> and ignore those with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">unreferenced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Doing so would simplify a lot of checks for me because I can download the title for all of the articles belong to the category and do a Ctrl-F to check whether that article was really uncited or not. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800-Jonesey95-20240122134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800-Jonesey95-20240122134800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800-Jonesey95-20240122134800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240122140000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800"></span>Seconded. Sry about the comment below, I didn't see yours when I posted it. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240122140000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240122140000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240122140000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122140200-ARandomName123-20240122140000"></span>Well, we posted around the same time :) <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122140200-ARandomName123-20240122140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122140200-ARandomName123-20240122140000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122140200-ARandomName123-20240122140000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240122135800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: Should we even include <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">Unreferenced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in this drive? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240122135800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240122135800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240122135800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122134700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900-ARandomName123-20240122135800"></span>Well, see above :-). Feel free to disagree with my opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900-ARandomName123-20240122135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900-ARandomName123-20240122135800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900-ARandomName123-20240122135800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900"></span>For what it's worth, I agree this drive should focus on articles with no references at all, not ones just with the odd section unreferenced. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240122135900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuicoleJR-20240124014100-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500"></span>I agree. There are plenty of options for completely unsourced, and simply missing sources in one section just isn't something we need to open the drive to. Let's focus on the bigger problem. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-QuicoleJR-20240124014100-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuicoleJR-20240124014100-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuicoleJR-20240124014100-Kj_cheetham-20240122192500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Backlog_drive_-_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Backlog_drive_-_categories-20240122184800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Backlog_drive_-_categories-20240122184800"></span>Backlog drive - categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Backlog_drive_-_categories-20240122184800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BeanieFan11-20240122184800-Backlog_drive_-_categories"></span>I like the backlog drive idea next month - but I was wondering, are there categories for unreferenced articles by topic, e.g. sports and/or American football? (Those are the two primary areas I work in.) <a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BeanieFan11" title="User talk:BeanieFan11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-BeanieFan11-20240122184800-Backlog_drive_-_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BeanieFan11-20240122184800-Backlog_drive_-_categories"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BeanieFan11-20240122184800-Backlog_drive_-_categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240122185800-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span>Hey @<a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a> - yes and no. You can filter the articles by topic using the search 'articletopic:sports incategory:"All articles lacking sources" but there isn't a specific category for this. The filter appears on the top of every monthly category and on the main <a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">Category:All articles lacking sources</a> page. It's not perfect but it will definitely pull up a lot of results (something like 15,000). Thanks and have fun! <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240122185800-BeanieFan11-20240122184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240122185800-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240122185800-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240122200600-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span>For American football in particular, you can look at related WikiProjects' cleanup lists (e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/College_football.html">[1]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/National_Football_League.html">[2]</a>) and skip to the 'References' section. Many sports will have WikiProjects associated with them, and if you see the broom graphic in them, they will link to their cleanup lists. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240122200600-BeanieFan11-20240122184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240122200600-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240122200600-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoeNMLC-20240122205000-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span>Greetings @<a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a> - another option that I use to find articles of interest. With any unreferenced category, click on the "Show SDs" button, then use browser search to find articles. For example: <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_December_2009" title="Category:Articles lacking sources from December 2009">Category:Articles lacking sources from December 2009</a> (the big category), the "football " <i>Short description search</i> results over 20 articles on just the first page. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JoeNMLC-20240122205000-BeanieFan11-20240122184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoeNMLC-20240122205000-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoeNMLC-20240122205000-BeanieFan11-20240122184800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BeanieFan11-20240122205100-JoeNMLC-20240122205000"></span>Thanks all. <a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BeanieFan11" title="User talk:BeanieFan11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-BeanieFan11-20240122205100-JoeNMLC-20240122205000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BeanieFan11-20240122205100-JoeNMLC-20240122205000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BeanieFan11-20240122205100-JoeNMLC-20240122205000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article-20240122211900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article-20240122211900"></span>Avoiding multiple editors working on same article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article-20240122211900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article"></span>I propose including in the instructions for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">WP:FEB24</a> that when an editor initiates work on an article, they should promptly remove the unreferenced category. This will prevent multiple editors from independently tackling the same article simultaneously, minimizing time and effort redundancy. After finding sources or opting for deletion, the unreferenced category becomes unnecessary anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900-Avoiding_multiple_editors_working_on_same_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240122213900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900"></span>Given the amount of articles present, I doubt this is going to be problem. Besides, multiple editors working on one article could just result in that article being cited faster and having additional citations, which is a good thing. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240122213900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240122213900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240122213900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003300-ARandomName123-20240122213900"></span>Well, in these kind of cases <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> applies. If the two editors accidentally bump into each other, each person would get 1 point. But if two editors consistently work on the same articles, then perhaps a compromise of 0.5 points might apply. It depends on the nature of collaboration. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003300-ARandomName123-20240122213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003300-ARandomName123-20240122213900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003300-ARandomName123-20240122213900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20240123081900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900"></span>You shouldn't remove a tag from an article unless and until you've addressed the issue. What happens if you don't come back to it, for whatever reason? It's also entirely possible that an unreferenced article can survive deletion but remain unreferenced. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Joe_Roe-20240123081900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20240123081900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20240123081900-SheriffIsInTown-20240122211900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_joy_of_all_things-20240129072800-Joe_Roe-20240123081900"></span>I suggest using the {{In use}} tag, which should inform other editors that you are actively engaged on that article. It has a timestamp that indicates when the page was last edited, so if several hours have elapsed, then someone else can have a go. Could be a sticky situation, but partially solves the above issue. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:The_joy_of_all_things" title="User:The joy of all things">The joy of all things</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_joy_of_all_things" title="User talk:The joy of all things">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-The_joy_of_all_things-20240129072800-Joe_Roe-20240123081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_joy_of_all_things-20240129072800-Joe_Roe-20240123081900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_joy_of_all_things-20240129072800-Joe_Roe-20240123081900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestion_for_WikiProjects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects-20240122214400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects-20240122214400"></span>Suggestion for WikiProjects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects-20240122214400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240122214400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"></span>In <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Louisville" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Louisville">WT:WikiProject Louisville</a>, the talk page for WP Louisville which I maintain, I've made a curated list of priority articles included in the project which need references. It may benefit other WikiProjects to do the same as a reply to the message announcing this drive. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240122214400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240122214400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240122214400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/index.html"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100-StefenTower-20240122214400"></span>Bambot's WikiProject Cleanup Listings</a> already has that feature, I think. IDK how to make the message more prominent though. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100-StefenTower-20240122214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100-StefenTower-20240122214400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100-StefenTower-20240122214400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240123010400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100"></span>Those cleanup listings are fantastic but what I've tried to do is provide some focus based on the highest priority articles in the project, something the cleanup list doesn't make easy. Since I know some things about where the work is most needed, having been with the project since its start, I thought it was useful to remove some of the legwork for editors. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240123010400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240123010400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240123010400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240123010700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100"></span>Of course, I will note that fulfilling any reference needs beyond the focus list is welcome as always. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240123010700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240123010700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240123010700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123003100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123022800-StefenTower-20240123010700"></span>I moved that "finding articles" to the instructions section to give it more visibility. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123022800-StefenTower-20240123010700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123022800-StefenTower-20240123010700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240123022800-StefenTower-20240123010700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240125101400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"></span>Beyond WikiProject Louisville's priority articles that need additional citations, I created a second list on the project talk page for totally unreferenced articles, to more precisely correspond to the needs of this drive. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240125101400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240125101400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240125101400-Suggestion_for_WikiProjects"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_scoring_points" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_scoring_points-20240124013900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_scoring_points-20240124013900"></span>Question about scoring points<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_scoring_points-20240124013900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuicoleJR-20240124013900-Question_about_scoring_points"></span>If I were to reference an unreferenced article now, and use the edit summary, would it count or would I have to wait until February 1st to start scoring points? <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-QuicoleJR-20240124013900-Question_about_scoring_points" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuicoleJR-20240124013900-Question_about_scoring_points"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuicoleJR-20240124013900-Question_about_scoring_points"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400-QuicoleJR-20240124013900"></span>To be fair to other participants, no. But kudos to you for dealing with the backlog early! This will give you a real advantage when it's time to actually count points. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400-QuicoleJR-20240124013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400-QuicoleJR-20240124013900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400-QuicoleJR-20240124013900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuicoleJR-20240124015100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400"></span>That makes sense. I think I will spend the wait time putting together a couple extra sources so I don't leave the article as a stub come February. Also, thanks for putting together the backlog drive, this has really helped me realize that I should have a role in fixing the problem. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-QuicoleJR-20240124015100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuicoleJR-20240124015100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuicoleJR-20240124015100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124014400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reviews" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reviews-20240124021700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reviews-20240124021700"></span>Reviews<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reviews-20240124021700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240124021700-Reviews"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: Thanks for creating the process for reviews. However, I feel like requiring quotes is a bit excessive. Surely we can trust editors enough that 2 editors validating the same source is enough. Additionally, I don't see a point for an edit summary requirement, or the 2 points, since the reviews will just be listed in each editor's section in /Reviews, and the leaderboard is separate from the main one. A simpler format for the reviews could just be something like: "Special:Diff/[insert diff] + <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Green tick" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/13px-Green_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/20px-Green_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/26px-Green_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> or <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Red X" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Red_x.svg/13px-Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Red_x.svg/20px-Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Red_x.svg/26px-Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display: none;">N</span>" Using a diff elimnates the need for the article and citation number, making reviews easier. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240124021700-Reviews" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240124021700-Reviews"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240124021700-Reviews"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100-ARandomName123-20240124021700"></span>Yeah, you're right. Editing... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100-ARandomName123-20240124021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100-ARandomName123-20240124021700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100-ARandomName123-20240124021700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> Done, and I will also put a lot of faith to the reviewers by only needing to review sources once. I still mandate the username requirement to prevent abuses and help detecting problematic editors. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240124023100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600"></span>Better, thanks. I made a few modifications, just a colon after the username for readability, and changing the template to just y/n so it's easier to type. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240124023100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240124023100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240124023100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240124024200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: To make things easier and more centralized, I think it would be best to just tally the points from citations and the reviews together. Since reviews are easier, we could just give half a point for each. This would remove the need for a second leaderboard, a second set of awards, and a second table to update daily. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240124024200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240124024200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240124024200-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124022600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124024700-ARandomName123-20240124024200"></span>Fair enough. I will be checking the reviews from time to time to prevent abuse.</dd> <dd>Also, could someone here make a template with a short title for assisting with the reviews? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124024700-ARandomName123-20240124024200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124024700-ARandomName123-20240124024200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240124024700-ARandomName123-20240124024200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Newspapers.com_users_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Newspapers.com_users_help-20240124023800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Newspapers.com_users_help-20240124023800"></span>Newspapers.com users help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Newspapers.com_users_help-20240124023800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timur9008-20240124023800-Newspapers.com_users_help"></span>Wouldn't a good idea to notify Wikipedians who have access to Newspapers.com to maybe help with the backlog? I have access to Newspapers.com hence I'm asking. <a href="/wiki/User:Timur9008" title="User:Timur9008">Timur9008</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timur9008" title="User talk:Timur9008">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Timur9008-20240124023800-Newspapers.com_users_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timur9008-20240124023800-Newspapers.com_users_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timur9008-20240124023800-Newspapers.com_users_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240124024400-Timur9008-20240124023800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Timur9008" title="User:Timur9008">Timur9008</a>: Well that'd include sending a message to everyone with access to TWL, which is a lot of people. I think the current methods of notification are sufficient, especially the watchlist notice. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240124024400-Timur9008-20240124023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240124024400-Timur9008-20240124023800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240124024400-Timur9008-20240124023800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timur9008-20240124024800-ARandomName123-20240124024400"></span>I meant per the Category:Wikipedians who have access to Newspapers.com. 155 people according to that. <a href="/wiki/User:Timur9008" title="User:Timur9008">Timur9008</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timur9008" title="User talk:Timur9008">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Timur9008-20240124024800-ARandomName123-20240124024400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timur9008-20240124024800-ARandomName123-20240124024400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timur9008-20240124024800-ARandomName123-20240124024400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240124030200-Timur9008-20240124023800"></span>I just realized I didn't have that newspapers.com userbox on the correct page for registering in that category. Corrected, and thank you. I'm already signed up for the backlog effort. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240124030200-Timur9008-20240124023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240124030200-Timur9008-20240124023800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240124030200-Timur9008-20240124023800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BLPs_in_the_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-BLPs_in_the_drive-20240124224600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BLPs_in_the_drive-20240124224600"></span>BLPs in the drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BLPs_in_the_drive-20240124224600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wracking-20240124224600-BLPs_in_the_drive"></span>Unless there's a reason this hasn't been done, I suggest adding <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:BLP_unreferenced" title="Template:BLP unreferenced">BLP unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in addition to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">Unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in any place relevant. <a href="/wiki/User:Wracking" title="User:Wracking"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;border-radius:9em;background:#E0E8E0; color:#1a4c39; padding:4px;">Wracking</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wracking" title="User talk:Wracking">talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Wracking-20240124224600-BLPs_in_the_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wracking-20240124224600-BLPs_in_the_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wracking-20240124224600-BLPs_in_the_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240124235300-Wracking-20240124224600"></span>Makes sense, added. That category is already in the main <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:Articles lacking sources">Category:Articles lacking sources</a>, so I didn't make any changes to the instructions (other than including the tag). <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240124235300-Wracking-20240124224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240124235300-Wracking-20240124224600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240124235300-Wracking-20240124224600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?-20240124233000"><span id="Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?-20240124233000"></span>Points for adding more references to articles?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?-20240124233000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?"></span>Unless I'm missing anything, I'm unclear if resolving {{<a href="/wiki/Template:More_references" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:More references">more references</a>}} gains any points. Could somebody clarify this for me? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:HistoryTheorist" title="User:HistoryTheorist"><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HistoryTheorist" title="User talk:HistoryTheorist"><span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000-Points_for_adding_more_references_to_articles?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240124234400-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HistoryTheorist" title="User:HistoryTheorist">HistoryTheorist</a>: It does not gain any points. Obviously, it's encouraged, but this drive is specifically about articles with no references at all. This is mentioned in the rules: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">To keep this drive focused, no points for adding additional citations to one article, though editors are encouraged to do so whenever possible.</q> Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240124234400-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240124234400-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240124234400-HistoryTheorist-20240124233000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240124235800-ARandomName123-20240124234400"></span>Oh, I didn't realize it had to be unreferenced articles only. Bummer. It seems to me that it would be helpful to fix both unreferenced and articles that ask for citations in spots, because those often apply to unreferenced sections or paragraphs. <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240124235800-ARandomName123-20240124234400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240124235800-ARandomName123-20240124234400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240124235800-ARandomName123-20240124234400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125002400-StefenTower-20240124235800"></span>Well, that's the ideal case scenario. In reality that would be a nightmare to tally and control for abuse, especially when there is 140+ participants in the drive. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125002400-StefenTower-20240124235800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125002400-StefenTower-20240124235800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125002400-StefenTower-20240124235800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600-ARandomName123-20240124234400"></span>Alright, that might limit my participation a bit because I know of some articles that desperately need citation work but already have some citations. On the flip side, I won't feel obligated to wait for the drive to start so I can start doing citation work right now. <a href="/wiki/User:HistoryTheorist" title="User:HistoryTheorist"><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HistoryTheorist" title="User talk:HistoryTheorist"><span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600-ARandomName123-20240124234400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600-ARandomName123-20240124234400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600-ARandomName123-20240124234400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240125152300-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HistoryTheorist" title="User:HistoryTheorist">HistoryTheorist</a> - that's the spirit! Get cracking my friend! <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240125152300-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240125152300-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240125152300-HistoryTheorist-20240125002600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reviewers_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reviewers_needed-20240125143300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reviewers_needed-20240125143300"></span>Reviewers needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reviewers_needed-20240125143300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143300-Reviewers_needed"></span>Hey, we need a few reviewers for the drive to curb bad behaviors and detect submission abuses. Please do sign up at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024/Reviews" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Reviews">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Reviews</a> even if you are a participant of the drive. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143300-Reviewers_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143300-Reviewers_needed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143300-Reviewers_needed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Goal_for_the_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Goal_for_the_drive-20240125143900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Goal_for_the_drive-20240125143900"></span>Goal for the drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Goal_for_the_drive-20240125143900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900-Goal_for_the_drive"></span>Courtesy ping: @<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a>, since we are quickly reaching 200+ members, I think that a goal of 10000 articles cited is reasonable. First, it's a round number. Second, it's slightly lower than <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/January_2024" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/January 2024">NPP backlog drive article review countl</a>; citing sources is a bit harder than patrolling new articles but we also have a bit more member than the NPP backlog drive, so these effects cancel out. And third, that's enough impact to the backlog for <i>everyone</i> on Wikipedia to pay attention to the backlog, which is very important because we want the backlog to be dealt with by other editors after the drive has ended. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900-Goal_for_the_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900-Goal_for_the_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900-Goal_for_the_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240125153100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> - I like this idea but I'm not holding out for any specific number. While there is a quantitative element to this because that is how we measure the backlog, I am more concerned about the quality/qualitative improvements of articles. Adding one citation to an article with 20,000 words is a <i>start</i>, not an end. This drive gives the ball a big shove to get it rolling but then we have to keep pushing it, without stopping. It would be encouraging for the participants to see how much progress we have made and to see the backlog number go below 100,000 but, in my opinion, the real success would be an overall change in editors' attitude around the maintenance that goes into keeping Wikipedia up to scratch. I agree with your point but I think we need to look at this drive and the URA's aim(s) holistically, rather than just the raw numbers, and that should remain the focus of the project before, during, and after the drive. <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240125153100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240125153100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240125153100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125154400-Kazamzam-20240125153100"></span>That's true. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125154400-Kazamzam-20240125153100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125154400-Kazamzam-20240125153100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125154400-Kazamzam-20240125153100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240125160500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900"></span>Wow, we have a lot of participants now. I feel like citing sources is <i>easier</i> than NPP, but I guess that's just personal preference. @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: I second Kazamzam's point, though I agree that a goal would be helpful. It gives people a number to work towards, which I think would encourage people. 10,000 seems fine, but a simlar alternative could be reducing the backlog to below 100k, which is like 12k. If we reach 200 members, that's around 50 per person for a month, which I guess could be doable. We won't really know until the drive starts, however. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240125160500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240125160500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240125160500-CactiStaccingCrane-20240125143900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victuallers-20240223091000-ARandomName123-20240125160500"></span><100,000! Well done all <a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victuallers" title="User talk:Victuallers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Victuallers-20240223091000-ARandomName123-20240125160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victuallers-20240223091000-ARandomName123-20240125160500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victuallers-20240223091000-ARandomName123-20240125160500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Search_function" data-mw-thread-id="h-Search_function-20240130003100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Search_function-20240130003100"></span>Search function<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Search_function-20240130003100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-20240130003100-Search_function"></span>I tried running a search on </p> <pre>articletopic:[military-and-warfare] incategory:"All articles lacking sources" </pre> <p>but got an error: </p> <pre>Unrecognized topic name for the articletopic: keyword: [military-and-warfare]. For a list of valid keywords, please see <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch/articletopic" class="extiw" title="mw:Help:CirrusSearch/articletopic">mw:Help:CirrusSearch/articletopic</a>. </pre> <p>However, military-and-warfare <i>is</i> listed as a valid topic. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Hawkeye7-20240130003100-Search_function" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20240130003100-Search_function"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20240130003100-Search_function"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoeNMLC-20240130014500-Hawkeye7-20240130003100"></span>Greetings @<a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7">Hawkeye7</a> - when I ran, the search shows as <span style="color:black;background:yellow">articletopic:military-and-warfare incategory:"All articles lacking sources"</span> without the brackets; and it runs Ok. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JoeNMLC-20240130014500-Hawkeye7-20240130003100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoeNMLC-20240130014500-Hawkeye7-20240130003100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoeNMLC-20240130014500-Hawkeye7-20240130003100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-20240130234400-JoeNMLC-20240130014500"></span>D'oh! <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Hawkeye7-20240130234400-JoeNMLC-20240130014500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20240130234400-JoeNMLC-20240130014500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20240130234400-JoeNMLC-20240130014500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?-20240130233100"><span id="What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven.27t_been_tagged.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?-20240130233100"></span>What about unreferenced articles that haven't been tagged?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?-20240130233100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240130233100-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?"></span>Presumably they count? — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240130233100-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240130233100-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240130233100-What_about_unreferenced_articles_that_haven't_been_tagged?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240130233900-Rhododendrites-20240130233100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a>: Yes. As long as you leave FEB24 in the edit summary, it'll be counted. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240130233900-Rhododendrites-20240130233100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240130233900-Rhododendrites-20240130233100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240130233900-Rhododendrites-20240130233100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive-20240131003500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive-20240131003500"></span>MassMessage at the start of the drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive-20240131003500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive"></span>The drive will begin in less than 24 hours and it is possible that some people that have registered early on have forgot about the drive. Should we send a small message to everyone that the drive has started, or is it too spammy? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500-MassMessage_at_the_start_of_the_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240131005400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>: I don't think we need to send another mass message. I don't think any other drive has done that before, so we probably don't need to do it now. Anyways, I didn't notice how quickly Feb.1 would arrive, hopefully the beginning goes smoothly! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240131005400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240131005400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240131005400-CactiStaccingCrane-20240131003500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drive_has_begun" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drive_has_begun-20240201001700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drive_has_begun-20240201001700"></span>Drive has begun<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drive_has_begun-20240201001700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700-Drive_has_begun"></span>The drive has now begun. Let's cite some articles! <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700-Drive_has_begun" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700-Drive_has_begun"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700-Drive_has_begun"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240201005100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700"></span>Is there a way to see all articles that have been tagged with WP:FEB24? Going through every users tally to find articles to review is annoying. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240201005100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240201005100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240201005100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240201001700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201021600-Tooncool64-20240201005100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a>: I don't believe there's an easy way to go about this. The only options I could find are to manually Ctrl+F feb24 in the recent changes feed, perform a <a href="/wiki/SQL" title="SQL">SQL</a> query at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://quarry.wmcloud.org/">Quarry</a> or request one at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Request_a_query" title="Wikipedia:Request a query">Wikipedia:Request a query</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201021600-Tooncool64-20240201005100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201021600-Tooncool64-20240201005100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201021600-Tooncool64-20240201005100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Review_workflow" data-mw-thread-id="h-Review_workflow-20240201005300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Review_workflow-20240201005300"></span>Review workflow<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Review_workflow-20240201005300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240201005300-Review_workflow"></span>The reviews page is organized by reviewer, not participant, so what mechanism is there to tell which submissions need reviews and which have been reviewed? Surely something better than opening a tally, copying the name of an article, opening the review page, CTRL-F, paste name of review? That'll get difficult before long. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240201005300-Review_workflow" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240201005300-Review_workflow"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240201005300-Review_workflow"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201035800-Rhododendrites-20240201005300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a>: Well if we organized it by participant, they same problem would occur. I can't think of any better solution of the top of my head, but I don't think this is going to be much of a problem, given the massive difference between the number of editors adding references, and the number of editors performing reviews. I'm open to suggestions, though. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201035800-Rhododendrites-20240201005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201035800-Rhododendrites-20240201005300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201035800-Rhododendrites-20240201005300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240201040100-ARandomName123-20240201035800"></span>Whether or not it's organized by participant, what we need is a list of all the diffs and a way to mark whether each has been reviewed. That could be all on one page or each participant could maintain their own list. Then, a reviewer would just open any of the participants' pages and see which still need reviews. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240201040100-ARandomName123-20240201035800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240201040100-ARandomName123-20240201035800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240201040100-ARandomName123-20240201035800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201041000-Rhododendrites-20240201040100"></span>Well that sounds similar to what the AfC backlog drive did, and it worked out fine for that. Having each participant maintain their own list seems a bit tedious, but the content of the edit summary search website is conveniently formatted so that we can just copy-paste it in VisualEditor, and not need to make any changes. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201041000-Rhododendrites-20240201040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201041000-Rhododendrites-20240201040100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201041000-Rhododendrites-20240201040100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300-Rhododendrites-20240201005300"></span>How will we prevent editors from re-reviewing the same page? — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300-Rhododendrites-20240201005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300-Rhododendrites-20240201005300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300-Rhododendrites-20240201005300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240201140500-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300"></span>In one scenario we have a non-interactive list with no indication about what's been reviewed. Someone who wants to review must then cross-reference an edit on that list with another page to see if it has already been reviewed. If it has, go back to the non-interactive list and try again ... as many times as necessary until you find one that hasn't been reviewed. Imagine 90% of the edits have already been reviewed, and you're just opening these lists and checking each one until finding one out of ten that still needs a review. There's no way to see at a glance what still needs a review. If I maintain my own list of edits, anyone can just open my page, see which haven't been reviewed, do the review, and mark it as such. It's a lot more efficient. Of course, if some enterprising volunteer coder wanted to whip up a bot, they could perhaps generate these lists automatically. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240201140500-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240201140500-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240201140500-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240201070300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20240202012200-Rhododendrites-20240201140500"></span>We'll definitely need these lists done automatically if we want a reasonable number of articles reviewed. The AfC backlog drive had an auto-generated list and still the vast majority of reviews were not re-reviewed. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Asilvering-20240202012200-Rhododendrites-20240201140500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20240202012200-Rhododendrites-20240201140500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20240202012200-Rhododendrites-20240201140500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Total_number_of_cites_added" data-mw-thread-id="h-Total_number_of_cites_added-20240201031800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Total_number_of_cites_added-20240201031800"></span>Total number of cites added<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Total_number_of_cites_added-20240201031800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800-Total_number_of_cites_added"></span>Thought I let you know that the "Currently, the drive has cited X articles" may not be 100% accurate. For example, I removed the unreferenced tag at <a href="/wiki/Ubik_(song)" title="Ubik (song)">Ubik (song)</a> cause it already had 3 refs. For my tally, I'm not including any I find that have cites but are still tagged as unreferenced. Maybe this could be reworded to something like "Currently, the drive has removed unreferenced tags on X articles". However, this would include tag removals of people who are not in the drive. How can this be fixed? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800-Total_number_of_cites_added" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800-Total_number_of_cites_added"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800-Total_number_of_cites_added"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201040200-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a>: I think the wording you provided is fine. Including tag removals of people who aren't participating in the drive isn't going to be too big of an issue (hopefully). Comparing the current number of points to the number of articles, they're roughly equal, so it seems that most people removing tags are also signed up for this drive. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201040200-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201040200-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201040200-MrLinkinPark333-20240201031800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300-ARandomName123-20240201040200"></span>Okay. Hopefully the other unreferenced tags I removed that aren't for the tally won't make a huge discrepancy either. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300-ARandomName123-20240201040200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300-ARandomName123-20240201040200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300-ARandomName123-20240201040200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201181600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300"></span>I've moved your wording into the page. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201181600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201181600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201181600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201041300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201183800-ARandomName123-20240201181600"></span>Thank you for looking into this! <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201183800-ARandomName123-20240201181600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201183800-ARandomName123-20240201181600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201183800-ARandomName123-20240201181600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drive_leaderboard_updating" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drive_leaderboard_updating-20240201194600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drive_leaderboard_updating-20240201194600"></span>Drive leaderboard updating<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drive_leaderboard_updating-20240201194600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600-Drive_leaderboard_updating"></span>What's the process for updating the leaderboard? Is a bot handling it? Or the coordinators doing it manually every so often? Or are individuals expected to update their own entries? Or a combination? Thanks. (A bot seems easiest if possible, a la the NPP ones.) -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600-Drive_leaderboard_updating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600-Drive_leaderboard_updating"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600-Drive_leaderboard_updating"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201201000-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a>: So far I've been updating the entire thing manually, but yes, a bot would be ideal. I'm looking into it rn. Ideally, it would count the amount of edit summaries by a user with FEB24, and remove any duplicates. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201201000-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201201000-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201201000-Kj_cheetham-20240201194600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300-ARandomName123-20240201201000"></span>Would the counts then be adjusted manually after the contest is done to remove ones that don't qualify for the drive? So far, I have found 2 that don't qualify in my reviews. <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300-ARandomName123-20240201201000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300-ARandomName123-20240201201000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300-ARandomName123-20240201201000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240201210600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a>: I'm not anticipating many unqualifying edits, so yes, they would be manually adjusted at the end. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240201210600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240201210600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240201210600-MrLinkinPark333-20240201210300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240201223500-ARandomName123-20240201201000"></span>ARandomName123</a> your best bet is probably going to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOTREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOTREQ">WP:BOTREQ</a> and/or talking directly to one of the existing bot operators, if you haven't already. Even if not for this drive it would certainly save time and reduce human error for the next one of these drives! -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240201223500-ARandomName123-20240201201000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240201223500-ARandomName123-20240201201000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240201223500-ARandomName123-20240201201000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="For_posterity" data-mw-thread-id="h-For_posterity-20240202011300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-For_posterity-20240202011300"></span>For posterity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-For_posterity-20240202011300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altamel-20240202011300-For_posterity"></span>Here is a list of all articles in <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:Articles lacking sources">Category:Articles lacking sources</a> sorted by month. I ran the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://quarry.wmcloud.org/history/80110/849976/824975">Quarry</a> (with the help of some borrowed code) shortly after the drive started yesterday. By comparing this baseline with the articles that remain at the end of the drive, we could analyze statistical outcomes, such as estimating how many articles were successfully referenced versus being deleted/redirected. <a href="/wiki/User:Altamel" title="User:Altamel">Altamel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altamel" title="User talk:Altamel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Altamel-20240202011300-For_posterity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altamel-20240202011300-For_posterity"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altamel-20240202011300-For_posterity"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletions-20240202030400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletions-20240202030400"></span>Deletions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletions-20240202030400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GamerPro64-20240202030400-Deletions"></span>Should there be a tally to see how many articles get deleted as a result of the drive? Just to track how many unreferenced articles don't end up be salvageable? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GamerPro64" title="User talk:GamerPro64"><span style="color:red">GamerPro64</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-GamerPro64-20240202030400-Deletions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GamerPro64-20240202030400-Deletions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GamerPro64-20240202030400-Deletions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200-GamerPro64-20240202030400"></span>It would be very difficult, but this might be possible to monitor by searching PROD and AfD in the edit summary. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200-GamerPro64-20240202030400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200-GamerPro64-20240202030400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200-GamerPro64-20240202030400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trumpetrep-20240206202300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200"></span>Most of the articles I've seen in this drive should not be on Wikipedia. There are a lot of articles with 1-2 sentences about inane things like areas in neighborhoods, subway stops, or remote villages with unreliable transliterations. It would be a nice companion action to this referencing project to work on getting rid of these nanoarticles.<a href="/wiki/User:Trumpetrep" title="User:Trumpetrep">Trumpetrep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trumpetrep" title="User talk:Trumpetrep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Trumpetrep-20240206202300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trumpetrep-20240206202300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trumpetrep-20240206202300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240206202800-Trumpetrep-20240206202300"></span>See section "Points for Deletion" above. If we awarded points for deletion of articles it could be ripe for abuse. Feel free to PROD/AfD any articles you come across and feel should be deleted however. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240206202800-Trumpetrep-20240206202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240206202800-Trumpetrep-20240206202300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240206202800-Trumpetrep-20240206202300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GamerPro64-20240208041100-Tooncool64-20240206202800"></span>Im not even suggesting deletions. I just think we should keep track of how many were deleted from this drive. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GamerPro64" title="User talk:GamerPro64"><span style="color:red">GamerPro64</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-GamerPro64-20240208041100-Tooncool64-20240206202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GamerPro64-20240208041100-Tooncool64-20240206202800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GamerPro64-20240208041100-Tooncool64-20240206202800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240208050600-GamerPro64-20240208041100"></span>Sorry, I was directing that comment at @<a href="/wiki/User:Trumpetrep" title="User:Trumpetrep">Trumpetrep</a> . <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240208050600-GamerPro64-20240208041100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240208050600-GamerPro64-20240208041100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240208050600-GamerPro64-20240208041100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trumpetrep-20240206223800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200"></span>Precisely my point. MOST of the articles I've seen are already tagged for deletion. Hence, a follow-up campaign would be helpful.<a href="/wiki/User:Trumpetrep" title="User:Trumpetrep">Trumpetrep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trumpetrep" title="User talk:Trumpetrep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Trumpetrep-20240206223800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trumpetrep-20240206223800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trumpetrep-20240206223800-CactiStaccingCrane-20240202101200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Iskar,_Afghanistan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Iskar,_Afghanistan-20240202035700"><span id="Iskar.2C_Afghanistan"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Iskar,_Afghanistan-20240202035700"></span>Iskar, Afghanistan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Iskar,_Afghanistan-20240202035700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202035700-Iskar,_Afghanistan"></span>The Google preview of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.ca/books?id=SPVtAAAAMAAJ&q=Iskar+baghlan+afghanistan&dq=Iskar+baghlan+afghanistan&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiV9JPLvYuEAxUbLzQIHRbBD88Q6AF6BAgEEAI">the source</a> that <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah21</a> provided doesn't convince me of what <a href="/wiki/Iskar,_Afghanistan" class="mw-redirect" title="Iskar, Afghanistan">Iskar, Afghanistan</a> claims, so I've marked as verification failed. I found <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=LAg3AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=%22iskar%22+baghlan&source=bl&ots=2riLvzt7-z&sig=ACfU3U1Mvf5bhjbUaxnGdPwrikpdJeRdEQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4lvGi34uEAxX9MlkFHU03A604KBDoAXoECAIQAw#v=onepage&q=%22iskar%22%20baghlan&f=false">this book from 1906</a> but it is also unclear about the name of the settlement and where it is. A nomination for deletion is called for. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240202035700-Iskar,_Afghanistan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202035700-Iskar,_Afghanistan"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240202035700-Iskar,_Afghanistan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span>Agreed. The reference seems tenuous at best. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris troutman</a> See <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.maphill.com/afghanistan/baghian/eskar/maps/political-map/">[3]</a>, the source provided by you describes: "Below Doab-I-Mekhzari the combined river is called the Surkhab (not to be confused with <a href="/wiki/Surkhab_River" title="Surkhab River">this surkhab river</a>). -- It runs north-east for about 45 miles in a deep narrow valley at the foot of the <a href="/wiki/Hindu_Kush" title="Hindu Kush">Hindu Kush</a> to Dahan-I-Eskar. You can see the river on the map and Eskar as located in <a href="/wiki/Baghlan_province" class="mw-redirect" title="Baghlan province">Baghlan province</a> above <a href="/wiki/Parwan_province" class="mw-redirect" title="Parwan province">Parwan province</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21" title="User talk:Noorullah21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Noorullah21-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20240202054900-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202153200-Noorullah21-20240202054900"></span>So we're assuming the word <i>dahan</i> means "village" in the local language? Both books only say that a road to this village runs by this river valley, it doesn't establish for me that the village is in Baghlan. The maphill.com link provided (which you did not cite) doesn't show me a map. The citation has to source the claim in the article; what you seem to be doing is drawing an inference, which is essentially OR/SYNTH. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240202153200-Noorullah21-20240202054900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202153200-Noorullah21-20240202054900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240202153200-Noorullah21-20240202054900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20240202175000-Chris_troutman-20240202153200"></span>Not sure what you mean that it doesn't show you a map. Linking it again: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.maphill.com/afghanistan/baghian/eskar/maps/political-map/">[4]</a>. The map shows Eskar on a political map in Baghlan province, above Parwan. <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21" title="User talk:Noorullah21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Noorullah21-20240202175000-Chris_troutman-20240202153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20240202175000-Chris_troutman-20240202153200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20240202175000-Chris_troutman-20240202153200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20240202175500-Noorullah21-20240202175000"></span>The source (the one cited in the article and not the 1906 one you posted as I quoted above) -- also describes Kalan Guzar (a locality in Baghlan) <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.ca/books?id=M2FOAAAAYAAJ&q=Guzar+Kalan+baghlan&dq=Guzar+Kalan+baghlan&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjopc3ynI2EAxXZweYEHVmvCT0Q6AF6BAgIEAI">[5]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21" title="User talk:Noorullah21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Noorullah21-20240202175500-Noorullah21-20240202175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20240202175500-Noorullah21-20240202175000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20240202175500-Noorullah21-20240202175000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202183600-Noorullah21-20240202175500"></span>The map loads for me now; before it was blank. With the map, it makes more sense but I still think this is borderline <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTH">synthesis</a>. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240202183600-Noorullah21-20240202175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202183600-Noorullah21-20240202175500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240202183600-Noorullah21-20240202175500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202191500-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span>Are <a href="/wiki/Eskar" title="Eskar">Eskar</a> and <a href="/wiki/Iskar,_Afghanistan" class="mw-redirect" title="Iskar, Afghanistan">Iskar, Afghanistan</a> the same place? The Iskar article mentions that it's also known as Eskar, both are in the same province, and the coordinates a pretty much the same. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202191500-Chris_troutman-20240202035700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202191500-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202191500-Chris_troutman-20240202035700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202215000-ARandomName123-20240202191500"></span>According to Geonames (I know, not reliable for many countries) yes, they are the same village <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.geonames.org/1142430/iskar.html">https://www.geonames.org/1142430/iskar.html</a>. Should we redirect one to the other? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202215000-ARandomName123-20240202191500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202215000-ARandomName123-20240202191500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202215000-ARandomName123-20240202191500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202220800-Broc-20240202215000"></span>Since neither is sourced properly and we have no proof anyone lives there, the subject fails GEOLAND, so we could delete both. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240202220800-Broc-20240202215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240202220800-Broc-20240202215000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240202220800-Broc-20240202215000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202222400-Chris_troutman-20240202220800"></span>So far I redirected <a href="/wiki/Iskar,_Afghanistan" class="mw-redirect" title="Iskar, Afghanistan">Iskar, Afghanistan</a> to <a href="/wiki/Eskar" title="Eskar">Eskar</a>. Probably there is no English source for a remote Afghani village, one would have to look in documents in Persian. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202222400-Chris_troutman-20240202220800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202222400-Chris_troutman-20240202220800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202222400-Chris_troutman-20240202220800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_if..." data-mw-thread-id="h-What_if...-20240202043600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_if...-20240202043600"></span>What if...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_if...-20240202043600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600-What_if..."></span>...somehow, miraculously, we end up providing references for every single article that is and ever will be unreferenced within a single month? <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600-What_if..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600-What_if..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600-What_if..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240202054800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600"></span>That would be amazing, however highly unlikely. At the current progress we are making, if we keep the same pace, we should have ~20,000 articles cited by the end of the drive. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240202054800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240202054800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240202054800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202154200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula">TrademarkedTWOrantula</a>: If you're referring to completing a months worth of uncited articles, we've defnitely crossed that mark already. There's only around 600/700 in each month's category on average. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202154200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202154200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202154200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240202043600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Popular" data-mw-thread-id="h-Popular-20240202151500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Popular-20240202151500"></span>Popular<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Popular-20240202151500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240202151500-Popular"></span>The list of popular articles could use instructions on what to do when one is completed: remove it, strike it, or leave it alone. Preferably one of the last two to avoid hunting for one that still needs to be done. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240202151500-Popular" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240202151500-Popular"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240202151500-Popular"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202153700-Rhododendrites-20240202151500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a>: I've added an instruction to remove entries once they have been completed. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202153700-Rhododendrites-20240202151500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202153700-Rhododendrites-20240202151500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202153700-Rhododendrites-20240202151500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400-ARandomName123-20240202153700"></span>Will new articles get added to the list as we go along too? -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400-ARandomName123-20240202153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400-ARandomName123-20240202153700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400-ARandomName123-20240202153700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202154600-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a>: I've been updating the list daily, so yes. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202154600-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202154600-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202154600-Kj_cheetham-20240202154400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600-ARandomName123-20240202154600"></span>Perhaps something else to consider automating with a bot for future drives, if it's possible? -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600-ARandomName123-20240202154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600-ARandomName123-20240202154600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600-ARandomName123-20240202154600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202175000-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600"></span>Yes, that would be nice, but it's not particularly hard or time consuming. It only takes me a minute or two to copy-paste in the updated list once the pageviews analysis is complete. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202175000-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202175000-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202175000-Kj_cheetham-20240202174600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?-20240202155000"><span id="How_Much_Is_Your_Iron.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?-20240202155000"></span><i><a href="/wiki/How_Much_Is_Your_Iron%3F" title="How Much Is Your Iron?">How Much Is Your Iron?</a></i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?-20240202155000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bearian-20240202155000-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?"></span>I started to edit this: ''<a href="/wiki/How_Much_Is_Your_Iron%3F" title="How Much Is Your Iron?">How Much Is Your Iron?</a>'', but some sources are not in English. Anyway, will I get credit? <a href="/wiki/User:Bearian" title="User:Bearian">Bearian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearian" title="User talk:Bearian">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Bearian" title="User:Bearian">Bearian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearian" title="User talk:Bearian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Bearian-20240202155000-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bearian-20240202155000-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bearian-20240202155000-How_Much_Is_Your_Iron?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202160800-Bearian-20240202155000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bearian" title="User:Bearian">Bearian</a>: Yes, as long as FEB24 is included in an edit summary. There's no restriction on using sources in other languages, as long as you can understand them. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202160800-Bearian-20240202155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202160800-Bearian-20240202155000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202160800-Bearian-20240202155000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kencf0618-20240204140600-ARandomName123-20240202160800"></span>Is this Wikipedia policy? If so, it's the first I've heard of it, and I don't see no square brackets denoting such. I've just used two English citations and one Hindi one ―does this make me a bad person? <a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">kencf0618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kencf0618" title="User talk:Kencf0618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kencf0618-20240204140600-ARandomName123-20240202160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kencf0618-20240204140600-ARandomName123-20240202160800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kencf0618-20240204140600-ARandomName123-20240202160800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONENG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONENG"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204140800-Kencf0618-20240204140600"></span>WP:NONENG</a> is policy. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204140800-Kencf0618-20240204140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204140800-Kencf0618-20240204140600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204140800-Kencf0618-20240204140600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tally_update?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tally_update?-20240202184400"><span id="Tally_update.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tally_update?-20240202184400"></span>Tally update?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tally_update?-20240202184400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202184400-Tally_update?"></span>Hi, is there a bot that updates the tally? Otherwise, I think I could write a simple (but probably not perfect) one. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202184400-Tally_update?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202184400-Tally_update?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202184400-Tally_update?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202185900-Broc-20240202184400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: A bot would be extremely helpful. Currently, the tally is manually updated, usually by me or @<a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a>. Some ideas about what a bot should do can be found at the bot request I filed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Backlog_drive_leaderboard_updates" title="Wikipedia:Bot requests">Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Backlog_drive_leaderboard_updates</a>. Many thanks for looking into it! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202185900-Broc-20240202184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202185900-Broc-20240202184400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202185900-Broc-20240202184400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202213000-ARandomName123-20240202185900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>:</span> I unfortunately have no bot experience, but I wrote a little Python script to update the table. you can find it at <a href="/wiki/User:Broc/update_table_FEB24.py" title="User:Broc/update table FEB24.py">User:Broc/update table FEB24.py</a> One needs to save the "Leaderboard" section in a text file, then paste the updated one. It's not very elegant but it does the job. I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles%2FBacklog_drives%2FFebruary_2024&diff=1202475462&oldid=1202466717">tested it now</a> and it seems to work quite fine.</dd> <dd>I will try to run it once or twice a day during the drive. Feel free to use it as well (certainly better than updating manually!)</dd> <dd>I would be happy if more expert bot owners would pitch in, but I guess for now it's better than nothing ^^ <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202213000-ARandomName123-20240202185900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202213000-ARandomName123-20240202185900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202213000-ARandomName123-20240202185900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202213900-Broc-20240202213000"></span>One note, I realized some counts are quite different. That's because the script only counts edits in Mainspace, and removes duplicates from the list. In case you were wondering where the discrepancies came from. I think it's more accurate than the manual count performed until now, but if you find issues let me know. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202213900-Broc-20240202213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202213900-Broc-20240202213000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202213900-Broc-20240202213000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240202215900-Broc-20240202213900"></span>Does this script count reviews or does that still need to be done manually? <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240202215900-Broc-20240202213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240202215900-Broc-20240202213900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240202215900-Broc-20240202213900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202221800-Tooncool64-20240202215900"></span>It doesn't yet, but that shouldn't be too difficult. If it's useful I can try to find some time in the next couple of days. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202221800-Tooncool64-20240202215900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202221800-Tooncool64-20240202215900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202221800-Tooncool64-20240202215900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202223300-Broc-20240202213000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: Tested it out, works great! Many thanks for creating this! Would it be possible to format the output so it's copy-pastable straight into the source editor? Currently the output is something like</dd> <dd>User: Example</dd> <dd>New N1 line: | [number of articles] <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202223300-Broc-20240202213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202223300-Broc-20240202213000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202223300-Broc-20240202213000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202223700-ARandomName123-20240202223300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>:</span> the output on screen was just for debugging. It saves a new text file "updated_table.txt" with the full table, you can just copy that back in the source editor. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202223700-ARandomName123-20240202223300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202223700-ARandomName123-20240202223300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202223700-ARandomName123-20240202223300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202225700-Broc-20240202223700"></span>Found it! Thanks a million for making our lives much easier! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202225700-Broc-20240202223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202225700-Broc-20240202223700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202225700-Broc-20240202223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202230000-ARandomName123-20240202225700"></span>No worries :) I just ran it a second time and checked the output again, it seems to work just fine. Please ping me if you run into any issues! <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202230000-ARandomName123-20240202225700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202230000-ARandomName123-20240202225700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202230000-ARandomName123-20240202225700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203040100-Broc-20240202230000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: I was able to adapt your script to a <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/pywikibot" class="extiw" title="mw:pywikibot">mw:pywikibot</a>, which removes the need to create files or copy paste or anything like that. All you need to do is press run, and it automatically edits and updates the page for you. It seems to work when I tested it on my sandbox <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1202597921" title="Special:Diff/1202597921">Special:diff/1202597921</a> and <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1202604604" title="Special:Diff/1202604604">Special:diff/1202604604</a>.</dd> <dd>It currently needs to be manually operated, but I'm hoping I can get it on Toolforge so it runs by itself, hourly or so. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203040100-Broc-20240202230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203040100-Broc-20240202230000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203040100-Broc-20240202230000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203075900-ARandomName123-20240203040100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>: If you need assistance, feel free to reach out. I'm here and ready to help with my bot. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203075900-ARandomName123-20240203040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203075900-ARandomName123-20240203040100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203075900-ARandomName123-20240203040100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203162400-DreamRimmer-20240203075900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: Thanks for offering! A few questions: Toolforge is what is used to host automated bots, right? If so, how difficult is it to convert a script that runs locally to a bot that runs hourly on Toolforge? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203162400-DreamRimmer-20240203075900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203162400-DreamRimmer-20240203075900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203162400-DreamRimmer-20240203075900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203165300-ARandomName123-20240203162400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> Toolforge is for continuous bot tasks, and you will need to create a separate bot account for it, IMHO. I would say it's easy to set up, but it will take time. First, you'll need to create a developer account and then submit a Toolforge account request. After approval, you'll need to create a tool and set up everything related to your task, such as uploading scripts and setting up cronjobs, etc. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203165300-ARandomName123-20240203162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203165300-ARandomName123-20240203162400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203165300-ARandomName123-20240203162400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240203082100-ARandomName123-20240203040100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> very nice! Would you mind sharing the source code? It's a good learning project for me :) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240203082100-ARandomName123-20240203040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240203082100-ARandomName123-20240203040100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240203082100-ARandomName123-20240203040100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203162100-Broc-20240203082100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: I've copied the code into <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123/update_bot" title="User:ARandomName123/update bot">User:ARandomName123/update bot</a>. Please let me know if you think anything needs fixing. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203162100-Broc-20240203082100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203162100-Broc-20240203082100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203162100-Broc-20240203082100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240203163000-ARandomName123-20240203162100"></span>Thanks! I just managed to run it by myself, it is surprisingly simple. I plan to add the review count later tonight (Central Europe timezone), I'll let you know how that goes. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240203163000-ARandomName123-20240203162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240203163000-ARandomName123-20240203162100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240203163000-ARandomName123-20240203162100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203163500-Broc-20240203163000"></span>Yea, all that needed to be done was replacing the code for files with the page.text stuff. Quick question, how long did it take to run? As in, from pressing run to the edit being completed? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203163500-Broc-20240203163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203163500-Broc-20240203163000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203163500-Broc-20240203163000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203165800-ARandomName123-20240203163500"></span>I have also adapted this in Pywikibot and did some testing in my sandbox, and it worked fine. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203165800-ARandomName123-20240203163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203165800-ARandomName123-20240203163500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203165800-ARandomName123-20240203163500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203171900-DreamRimmer-20240203165800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: Please note that since the leaderboard is in the project space, you will need to submit a BRFA to run automated scripts. If you prefer to run it without a BRFA, you can do so in your user space and then transclude that page into the leaderboard section of the drive page. Also, if you need my bot to update the leaderboard automatically, feel free to ping me anytime. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203171900-DreamRimmer-20240203165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203171900-DreamRimmer-20240203165800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203171900-DreamRimmer-20240203165800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203174500-DreamRimmer-20240203171900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: Sure, could you set up your bot to automatically update the leaderboard? I was originally thinking of trying it out myself, but the toolforge stuff is probably going to take a few days. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203174500-DreamRimmer-20240203171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203174500-DreamRimmer-20240203171900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203174500-DreamRimmer-20240203171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203175400-ARandomName123-20240203174500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> Should it be hourly, daily, or twice per day? Also, I have to use my userspace for this and then transclude it onto the drive page. Please add all the participants' entries to the table whenever you have time. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203175400-ARandomName123-20240203174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203175400-ARandomName123-20240203174500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203175400-ARandomName123-20240203174500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203175800-DreamRimmer-20240203175400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: Every one or two hours should be fine. Could you link the page you're going to use so the entries can be added? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203175800-DreamRimmer-20240203175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203175800-DreamRimmer-20240203175400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203175800-DreamRimmer-20240203175400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:BaranBOT/FEB24DriveLeaderboard" title="User:BaranBOT/FEB24DriveLeaderboard"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203180200-ARandomName123-20240203175800"></span>User:BaranBOT/FEB24DriveLeaderboard</a> – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203180200-ARandomName123-20240203175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203180200-ARandomName123-20240203175800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203180200-ARandomName123-20240203175800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203180200"></span>It's time for bed. I will set it up in the morning – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203180200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203180200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203180200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203183600"></span>kk. Goodnight. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203183600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203183600-DreamRimmer-20240203183600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240203225900-Tally_update?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>:</span> I am running <a href="/wiki/User:Broc/update_table_FEB24.py" title="User:Broc/update table FEB24.py">this script</a> locally for the moment, it updates the full leaderboard (refs and reviews) every hour. If you start a task on toolforge, let me know when I should stop my local one. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240203225900-Tally_update?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240203225900-Tally_update?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240203225900-Tally_update?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240204023500-Broc-20240203225900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: I have set up the bot; it will update the leaderboard every hour. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240204023500-Broc-20240203225900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240204023500-Broc-20240203225900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240204023500-Broc-20240203225900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240204041600-DreamRimmer-20240204023500"></span>Broc</a>, I can see your bot is still updating the leaderboard.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707020218564:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240204041600-DreamRimmer-20240204023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240204041600-DreamRimmer-20240204023500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240204041600-DreamRimmer-20240204023500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240204093500-DreamRimmer-20240204041600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> Thanks a lot! It looks like it's running smoothly :) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240204093500-DreamRimmer-20240204041600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240204093500-DreamRimmer-20240204041600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240204093500-DreamRimmer-20240204041600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240204094800-Broc-20240204093500"></span>Broc</a>, all credit goes to you and <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> for your amazing work.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707040097831:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240204094800-Broc-20240204093500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240204094800-Broc-20240204093500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240204094800-Broc-20240204093500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240204232300-DreamRimmer-20240204094800"></span>Does your bot update the review count? I see minor discrepancies in the counts. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240204232300-DreamRimmer-20240204094800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240204232300-DreamRimmer-20240204094800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240204232300-DreamRimmer-20240204094800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240205002300-Tooncool64-20240204232300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a>: I don't believe the bot does, but the updated version of the python script by Broc does. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240205002300-Tooncool64-20240204232300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240205002300-Tooncool64-20240204232300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240205002300-Tooncool64-20240204232300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205103300-DreamRimmer-20240204023500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> could you please update the bot to run on the latest version of the script, which also updates reviews? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205103300-DreamRimmer-20240204023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205103300-DreamRimmer-20240204023500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205103300-DreamRimmer-20240204023500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240205105600-Broc-20240205103300"></span>Broc</a>, The current script is already making a high number of requests per hour, so I believe we shouldn't include reviews. We can run this latest version either twice a day or once a day to update reviews. Please let me know if I am missing anything.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707130569458:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240205105600-Broc-20240205103300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240205105600-Broc-20240205103300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240205105600-Broc-20240205103300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205110500-DreamRimmer-20240205105600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> The review part only makes one single additional request (fetching the full wiki page with the reviews) and runs a few regex on the text, I think the difference in performance would be minimal.</dd> <dd>General remark: perhaps we should move to a 3-hour interval if the bot is too resource-intensive? Alternatively, I can look into possible optimization. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205110500-DreamRimmer-20240205105600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205110500-DreamRimmer-20240205105600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205110500-DreamRimmer-20240205105600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240205113400-Broc-20240205110500"></span>Three-hour interval looks good to me too.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707132863571:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240205113400-Broc-20240205110500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240205113400-Broc-20240205110500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240205113400-Broc-20240205110500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240205124900-DreamRimmer-20240205113400"></span>I've tweaked the bot to keep track of review counts and adjusted the job to run every three hours. I made this change because the previous frequency was causing an overload of requests, and we need to be mindful of our resources. Thanks, Broc, for the review count function.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707137398756:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240205124900-DreamRimmer-20240205113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240205124900-DreamRimmer-20240205113400"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240205124900-DreamRimmer-20240205113400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240208151100-Tally_update?"></span>Soon we will hit the 500-edit limit (I wouldn't have expected editors to be so invested!). There are two ways of handling it: </p> <ol><li>making an additional request for 500 more edits</li> <li>writing 500+ once the threshold is reached</li></ol> <p>What is your preference? I can adapt the script accordingly. Pinging <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240208151100-Tally_update?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240208151100-Tally_update?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240208151100-Tally_update?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240208152000-Broc-20240208151100"></span>Broc</a>, first option seems good to me. Who is the maintainer of this tool?<span id="DreamRimmer:1707405601404:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240208152000-Broc-20240208151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240208152000-Broc-20240208151100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240208152000-Broc-20240208151100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240208152400-DreamRimmer-20240208152000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> I guess myself, given I wrote it ;) I'll see what I can do. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240208152400-DreamRimmer-20240208152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240208152400-DreamRimmer-20240208152000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240208152400-DreamRimmer-20240208152000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240208152600-Broc-20240208152400"></span>Broc</a>, Haha, I was talking about Sigma tool. BTW, please check you mail box.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707405978326:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240208152600-Broc-20240208152400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240208152600-Broc-20240208152400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240208152600-Broc-20240208152400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240208154700-DreamRimmer-20240208152600"></span>Pinging <a href="/wiki/User:%CE%A3" title="User:Σ">Σ</a> who maintains the sigma tool. A summary for you: I created a tool to maintain the leaderboard for this drive; it counts, for each participant, edits containing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">WP:FEB24</a> in the summary using your tool <a class="external text" href="https://sigma.toolforge.org/summary.py">on Toolforge</a>. Is summary.py source code available? It would probably be best to integrate the tool directly, avoiding the additional page rendering and scraping. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240208154700-DreamRimmer-20240208152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240208154700-DreamRimmer-20240208152600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240208154700-DreamRimmer-20240208152600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240208172600-Broc-20240208154700"></span>Broc</a>, emailed you repo link.<span id="DreamRimmer:1707413175893:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240208172600-Broc-20240208154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240208172600-Broc-20240208154700"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240208172600-Broc-20240208154700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240208154300-Broc-20240208151100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: First one should be fine.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: The tool is maintained by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%CE%A3">Σ</a></span>, I believe. Quick question, since you're running the bot on toolforge, is the source code the same as the one provided by Broc? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240208154300-Broc-20240208151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240208154300-Broc-20240208151100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240208154300-Broc-20240208151100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240210170800-Broc-20240208151100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: The tally has now stopped updating for one of the participants. Any updates on a fix? If not, we could just use the "([number] remaining)" as a stopgap measure. It won't deal with duplicates, but should be good enough for a while. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240210170800-Broc-20240208151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240210170800-Broc-20240208151100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240210170800-Broc-20240208151100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240210170900-ARandomName123-20240210170800"></span>We could also just manually update the ones past 500, it doesn't look like there's going to be many. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240210170900-ARandomName123-20240210170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240210170900-ARandomName123-20240210170800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240210170900-ARandomName123-20240210170800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240210232300-ARandomName123-20240210170900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> I'll try to get to it tomorrow. Tonight I'm watching <a href="/wiki/Sanremo_Music_Festival_2024" title="Sanremo Music Festival 2024">Sanremo Music Festival 2024</a> ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240210232300-ARandomName123-20240210170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240210232300-ARandomName123-20240210170900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240210232300-ARandomName123-20240210170900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240210232500-Broc-20240210232300"></span>kk. Have fun! :) <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240210232500-Broc-20240210232300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240210232500-Broc-20240210232300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240210232500-Broc-20240210232300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240211143600-ARandomName123-20240210232500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> the updated script seems to work fine, see my tests on <a href="/wiki/User:BroccoliBot/sandbox" title="User:BroccoliBot/sandbox">User:BroccoliBot/sandbox</a>. It was pointed out that my unauthorized bot should not be editing other bots user pages, so I didn't run it on the official leaderboard. I shared the code with @<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240211143600-ARandomName123-20240210232500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240211143600-ARandomName123-20240210232500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240211143600-ARandomName123-20240210232500"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1206230172" title="Special:Diff/1206230172"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240211155200-ARandomName123-20240210232500"></span>Special:Diff/1206230172</a> updated script is live and seems to be working fine. Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> :) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240211155200-ARandomName123-20240210232500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240211155200-ARandomName123-20240210232500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240211155200-ARandomName123-20240210232500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240211164500-Broc-20240211155200"></span>Looks great. Thank you all very much for writing and implementing updated script! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240211164500-Broc-20240211155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240211164500-Broc-20240211155200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240211164500-Broc-20240211155200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-20240202214100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question-20240202214100"></span>Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question-20240202214100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20240202214100-Question"></span>I removed the unreferenced tag from <i><a href="/wiki/Pectinivalva_anazona" title="Pectinivalva anazona">Pectinivalva anazona</a></i>, but all I really did was add one new reference and source <i>inline</i> the sources in the "External links" section. Really, it was just adding footnotes (the page was slightly mis-tagged). This doesn't count, does it? <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">🌺 Cremastra </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Cremastra-20240202214100-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20240202214100-Question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20240202214100-Question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240202215700-Cremastra-20240202214100"></span>I would say it counts! You did remove the unreferenced tag and added inline citations. Thank you for your effort! <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240202215700-Cremastra-20240202214100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240202215700-Cremastra-20240202214100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240202215700-Cremastra-20240202214100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800-Tooncool64-20240202215700"></span>It does seem a bit unclear in the rules how to deal with when <a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">Template:Unreferenced</a> has been incorrectly used, especially when general references rather than inline ones. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800-Tooncool64-20240202215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800-Tooncool64-20240202215700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800-Tooncool64-20240202215700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20240203181500-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800"></span>I think if substantial content <i>wasn't</i> verified by the general refs, and more citations were added, then it should count, but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pectinivalva_anazona&diff=prev&oldid=1202481661">this</a> shouldn't. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">🌺 Cremastra </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Cremastra-20240203181500-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20240203181500-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20240203181500-Kj_cheetham-20240203165800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage-20240202223700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage-20240202223700"></span>Move leaderboard to a subpage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage-20240202223700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage"></span>I think that the leaderboard should be moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024/Leaderboard" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Leaderboard">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Leaderboard</a>, which should then be transcluded at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024#Leaderboard" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024#Leaderboard</a>. </p><p>Do you agree with me? <a href="/wiki/User:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeoffreyT2000">GeoffreyT2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeoffreyT2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700-Move_leaderboard_to_a_subpage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700"></span>Seems sensible. Easier to see on watchlists when something other than the leaderboard actually changes on the main drive page then. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240202230100-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000"></span>Makes sense to me as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240202230100-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240202230100-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240202230100-Kj_cheetham-20240202224000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240202231700-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240202231700-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240202231700-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240202231700-GeoffreyT2000-20240202223700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List" data-mw-thread-id="h-List-20240203041400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List-20240203041400"></span>List<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List-20240203041400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400-List"></span>I think my review list is getting a bit too long. Should I place it inside of a collapsible box using <a href="/wiki/Template:Collapse" title="Template:Collapse">Template:Collapse</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400-List" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400-List"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400-List"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203043700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula">TrademarkedTWOrantula</a>: Sure, that sounds fine. Thanks for all your work! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203043700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203043700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203043700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240203041400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Footbridge_across_a_Ditch" data-mw-thread-id="h-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch-20240203044100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch-20240203044100"></span><i><a href="/wiki/Footbridge_across_a_Ditch" title="Footbridge across a Ditch">Footbridge across a Ditch</a></i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch-20240203044100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suriname0-20240203044100-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch"></span>Here's an interesting unreferenced article: <i><a href="/wiki/Footbridge_across_a_Ditch" title="Footbridge across a Ditch">Footbridge across a Ditch</a></i>, a <a href="/wiki/Vincent_van_Gogh" title="Vincent van Gogh">Vincent van Gogh</a> painting. Surely, a van Gogh will have plentiful discussion in the art history literature, yet... I couldn't find anything online myself! <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5368966">Per this auction listing,</a> it appears the painting may be more accurately known as <i>Sloot en kleine brug</i>. There may also be relevant discussion in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Artist-and-the-Bridge-1700-1920/Sweetman/p/book/9781138341548">this book</a>. Best of luck! <a href="/wiki/User:Suriname0" title="User:Suriname0">Suriname0</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suriname0" title="User talk:Suriname0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Suriname0-20240203044100-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suriname0-20240203044100-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suriname0-20240203044100-Footbridge_across_a_Ditch"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:GranCavallo" title="User:GranCavallo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suriname0-20240203201300-Suriname0-20240203044100"></span>User:GranCavallo</a> wins! Thank you!! <a href="/wiki/User:Suriname0" title="User:Suriname0">Suriname0</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suriname0" title="User talk:Suriname0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Suriname0-20240203201300-Suriname0-20240203044100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suriname0-20240203201300-Suriname0-20240203044100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suriname0-20240203201300-Suriname0-20240203044100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?-20240203113000"><span id="Alphabetise_the_February_reviews.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?-20240203113000"></span>Alphabetise the February reviews?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?-20240203113000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240203113000-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?"></span>Any objections to putting the list of editors in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024/Reviews" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Reviews">Februray review section</a> in alphabetical order? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240203113000-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240203113000-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240203113000-Alphabetise_the_February_reviews?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240203114000-Goldsztajn-20240203113000"></span>Sorry, if I've missed this, but are articles marked in some way once they are reviewed, or is it just a manaual search to check an article has not been reviewed already? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240203114000-Goldsztajn-20240203113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240203114000-Goldsztajn-20240203113000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240203114000-Goldsztajn-20240203113000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="source_standards" data-mw-thread-id="h-source_standards-20240203151900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-source_standards-20240203151900"></span>source standards<span data-mw-comment-end="h-source_standards-20240203151900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240203151900-source_standards"></span>I was surprised to see some additions marked as ineligible on the review page due to using a primary source, then I read the "tips" section of the page. So, to be clear, the bar for this contest is higher than the bar for removing the unreferenced template? It's not just adding a reliable source which verifies the content; it also has to be independent of the subject and contribute to notability? Primary sources are often reliable sources, after all, and "count" as far as verifiability (and thus the unreferenced template) goes. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240203151900-source_standards" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240203151900-source_standards"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240203151900-source_standards"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240203163600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a> I marked some pages as ineligible because of this reason. In my opinion, adding a link to an association's website to verify its own claims does not provide any added value in terms of verifiability. I thought the goal of this drive was to add good reliable sources, not just a link to the first website that comes up in Google, but of course I might be wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240203163600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240203163600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240203163600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNOTBAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYNOTBAD"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165700-Broc-20240203163600"></span>WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD</a> after all. As Rhododendrites said, this is about verifiability rather than notability. Sources can be reliable and not independant. <a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">Template:Unreferenced</a> is for when there are no sources at all. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165700-Broc-20240203163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165700-Broc-20240203163600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203165700-Broc-20240203163600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240203170100-Broc-20240203163600"></span>two examples you disqualified on the basis of primary sourcing were a school website to verify the date it was founded and an author interview to verify who the protagonist of a novel is. These are both acceptable uses of primary sources. They don't help notability but are sufficient to verify basic, uncontroversial facts. Indeed, for basic plot elements we even accept the book itself. That said, neither contributed to notability and neither is independent, so they don't meet the requirements I referred to above (thus your rejections were correct). I'm trying to make sure the organizers' intentions are reflected in those rules (that they've set a higher bar than adding a reliable source and removing the unref tag). — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240203170100-Broc-20240203163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240203170100-Broc-20240203163600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240203170100-Broc-20240203163600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203175500-Rhododendrites-20240203170100"></span>I didn't write that part, but given that it's in the tips section and not the rules, I think they should be fine to use as long as they're just verifying simple non-controversial statement of facts. <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/20px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/30px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/40px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy ping</b>: <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203175500-Rhododendrites-20240203170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203175500-Rhododendrites-20240203170100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203175500-Rhododendrites-20240203170100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031100-ARandomName123-20240203175500"></span>Yeah, I think in this case it is fine. However it is encouraged to find third party sources to establish notability in some way. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031100-ARandomName123-20240203175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031100-ARandomName123-20240203175500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031100-ARandomName123-20240203175500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span>Also, is "lack of specific page citation" a valid reason to not award points? Given the instructions only say <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">For recent books, ISBN and page numbers are strongly recommended.</q> and again it seems to go beyond the usual bar for just removing the template. Thanks. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000-Rhododendrites-20240203151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240203213400-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> I have some concerns on verifiability of that one. I borrowed the book from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/scotlandrugbymis0000bath/">Internet Archive library</a> and could not find a mention of "John Forrest" in it. Having not read the whole book, I can't say the verification was failed, but the editor did not make it easy to actually verify the information. Hence my failed review, let me know if I'm being too strict. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240203213400-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240203213400-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240203213400-Kj_cheetham-20240203200000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-Broc-20240203213400"></span>Broc</a>Not sure if that's too strict, and I'm <s>relucent</s>reluctant to suggest using {{?}}, but it's probably worth in your comment making it more clear you couldn't verify it, rather than it was automatically rejected just because it had no page numbers. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-Broc-20240203213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-Broc-20240203213400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-Broc-20240203213400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240204102700-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> Updated accordingly, thanks for the input. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240204102700-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240204102700-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240204102700-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200-Broc-20240203213400"></span>ISBN requirement is needed in order for the citations to be actually tracable and usable. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200-Broc-20240203213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200-Broc-20240203213400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200-Broc-20240203213400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200"></span>CactiStaccingCrane</a> This I do object to. It clearly says for "recent books" it's only "strongly recommended". I don't think even Good Articles have that as a requirement... -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100100-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span>It's worse than that -- at least one reviewer marked a diff ineligible claiming it used a primary source, despite that source <i>not actually being a primary source</i> (something that was reaffirmed on the Reliable Sources noticeboard just a few weeks ago). <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700-Rhododendrites-20240203151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700"></span>Yeah... Could you give me a link to that review? <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900-Gnomingstuff-20240203213700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900"></span>One of @<a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula">TrademarkedTWOrantula</a>'s reviews, I replied to it on the page <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204031900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000"></span>Yeah this is what happens when I enter a Wikipedia competition; I always get ahead of myself. I'll try to be more careful. <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300-Gnomingstuff-20240204045000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300"></span>Sorry :( <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204052400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400"></span>Thanks for the note, and no need to apologize, just wanted to point it out -- in this case it's an extremely common source in book articles so it will come up a lot. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240204052400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204052400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204052400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240204045400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203223600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span>I've clarified in the rules that primary sources are permitted, as long as they comply with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a>. Pinging editors who have disqualified diffs: @<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203223600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203223600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203223600-Rhododendrites-20240203151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240203224800-ARandomName123-20240203223600"></span>I updated my reviews accordingly.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> What about notability requirements? The page <a href="/wiki/Republican_National_Coalition_for_Life" title="Republican National Coalition for Life">Republican National Coalition for Life</a> is in my opinion absolutely non-notable and I PRODded it. Should the review be positive anyway, because it added a source?</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> which one? I can't fix it if I don't know where I messed up ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240203224800-ARandomName123-20240203223600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240203224800-ARandomName123-20240203223600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240203224800-ARandomName123-20240203223600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240203225100-Broc-20240203224800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: Thanks. As long as it verifies what's in the article, it's fine. Determining the notability of articles is out of scope for this backlog drive. Editors may choose to PROD/AfD articles if they want, but that isn't required. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240203225100-Broc-20240203224800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240203225100-Broc-20240203224800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240203225100-Broc-20240203224800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240203234300-Broc-20240203224800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> Not one of yours -- I replied to the comment in question on the page. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240203234300-Broc-20240203224800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240203234300-Broc-20240203224800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240203234300-Broc-20240203224800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Increase_reviews_to_1_point?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?-20240204032200"><span id="Increase_reviews_to_1_point.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?-20240204032200"></span>Increase reviews to 1 point?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?-20240204032200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?"></span>IMO the last few days have proved that verifing citations is much harder than finding these citations. We should encourage others too perform reviews as well, plus our leaderboard is de facto counting reviews as 1 point. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200-Increase_reviews_to_1_point?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240204034700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span>? How could it take longer? To both add and review, you have to look at the source to see if it verifies the content. The only difference is there's the job of finding that source to begin with (and potentially reading through a bunch of sources that <i>don't</i> verify the content) that's already been done for the reviewer. I was thinking the opposite -- that reviews should be more like 0.25 points. In addition to the time difference, finding one subpar source for every ten good ones just doesn't contribute as much value to Wikipedia as adding 11 sources to 11 articles. YMMV I guess. I just did a couple reviews, and each took about a minute, compared to 5-20 minutes to find sources. I didn't document them on the reviews page, however, because that's where all the time would come in (open the diff, copy the diff id, open the review page, unhide all the sections, search the page for the diff, go do the review, create a standardized diff link, and add it to the reviews page -- per the section above, as time goes on and more and more edits have already been reviewed, this will eat up more and more time). — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240204034700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240204034700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240204034700-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span>Oppose</b> For the reasons given by Rhododendrites. I also would object changing (not just clarifying) the rules part-way through the drive, especially when it potentially changes the goal of the drive. The majority of additions not being reviewed as part of the drive should be expected. Sounds like a bug in the leaderboard calculations if anything. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204100300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240204102900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span>Oppose</b> per above.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> the leaderboard should be counting reviews at 0.5 points each. As I wrote the script that updates it, let me know if you find a bug. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240204102900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240204102900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240204102900-CactiStaccingCrane-20240204032200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Clarification" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clarification-20240204035200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clarification-20240204035200"></span>Clarification<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clarification-20240204035200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204035200-Clarification"></span>Referring to this exchange above: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>What about unreferenced articles that haven't been tagged? </p><p>Presumably they count? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC) </p><p> @Rhododendrites: Yes. As long as you leave FEB24 in the edit summary, it'll be counted. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 23:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</p></blockquote> <p>In view of some of the reviews, which don't agree, can you please confirm whether this is correct, i.e., that unreferenced articles without the {{Unreferenced}} tag will not be disallowed? <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204035200-Clarification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204035200-Clarification"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204035200-Clarification"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240204042900-Ingratis-20240204035200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a>: Unreferenced articles without the template are allowed, <i>as long as</i> the article originally contained no citations. Could you please specify which review you are referring to? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240204042900-Ingratis-20240204035200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240204042900-Ingratis-20240204035200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240204042900-Ingratis-20240204035200"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204055100-ARandomName123-20240204042900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>:</span> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles%2FBacklog_drives%2FFebruary_2024%2FReviews&diff=1201950393&oldid=1201905033">Two of these</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204055100-ARandomName123-20240204042900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204055100-ARandomName123-20240204042900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204055100-ARandomName123-20240204042900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240204171100-Ingratis-20240204055100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a>: Both of them already had citations beforehand. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240204171100-Ingratis-20240204055100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240204171100-Ingratis-20240204055100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240204171100-Ingratis-20240204055100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>:</span> - fine, but that wasn't the reviewer's reason for challenging them, so there is obvs scope for misunderstanding.<a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204055900-Clarification"></span>While I'm asking stupid questions, is it mandatory to use the "cite" templates? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204055900-Clarification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204055900-Clarification"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204055900-Clarification"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20240204080100-Ingratis-20240204055900"></span>It certainly shouldn't be, since they are not mandatory on Wikipedia in general. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Asilvering-20240204080100-Ingratis-20240204055900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20240204080100-Ingratis-20240204055900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20240204080100-Ingratis-20240204055900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204115800-Asilvering-20240204080100"></span>I'd agree but better not to take anything for granted. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204115800-Asilvering-20240204080100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204115800-Asilvering-20240204080100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204115800-Asilvering-20240204080100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100-Ingratis-20240204115800"></span>Hopefully things like this can be used to put together an FAQs or clarify details for the next drive. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100-Ingratis-20240204115800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100-Ingratis-20240204115800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100-Ingratis-20240204115800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204152300-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100"></span>In that spirit, then, I'd also like to raise the point referred to above by ARandomName 123: "Unreferenced articles without the template are allowed, <i>as long as</i> the article originally contained no citations." I can't however see that in the Rules: all I can find is this (in Rule 1): "...no points for adding additional citations to one article, though editors are encouraged to do so whenever possible" - unless I've completely missed something. I've been understanding that to mean that after adding one citation for the WP:FEB24 tag, no extra tags are to be gained from adding additional citations. However, it's apparently intended to mean that if an article, even if marked {{Unreferenced}}, contains some kind of cite, whether identified as a Source, External link, Further reading or anything else, then the WP:FEB24 tag can't apply (even though it is still a Good Work to improve the article). It would be helpful (and would have saved me quite a lot of wasted time) if this could be expressed more clearly, in future drives if not this one. If it is there already, please point me to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204152300-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204152300-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204152300-Kj_cheetham-20240204120100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240204171300-Ingratis-20240204152300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a>: Right, that should have been clarified, sorry about that. I wasn't expecting many incorrectly tagged articles, or untagged articles, so I didn't think of that. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240204171300-Ingratis-20240204152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240204171300-Ingratis-20240204152300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240204171300-Ingratis-20240204152300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>:</span> Right... what we're apparently finding then is that the tagging is as unreliable as everything else. Probably still not too late to make some clarifications, since it looks as though a lot of people haven't yet started on the drive? <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240204175700-ARandomName123-20240204171300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240204185700-Ingratis-20240204175700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a>: Clarified rules. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240204185700-Ingratis-20240204175700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240204185700-Ingratis-20240204175700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240204185700-Ingratis-20240204175700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240205151500-ARandomName123-20240204185700"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240205151500-ARandomName123-20240204185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240205151500-ARandomName123-20240204185700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240205151500-ARandomName123-20240204185700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20240205010200-ARandomName123-20240204171300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> A <i>whole lot</i> of people think that "unsourced" means "does not have a little clicky footnote" somewhere, and a huge number of these tags are from a bot run in Dec 2009 that just found anything that didn't have any footnotes and slapped the tag on it. (fwiw, I think this was a perfectly fine way to go about the problem back in the day, since the idea obviously was that human editors would come through, observe the incorrect tag, and remove or change it.) In advance of the drive, I started going through a set of articles that I knew would almost entirely be incorrectly tagged as unsourced in the hopes of clearing a bunch of these out (books - most book stubs are just "here is a book, it's about X"). I wasn't expecting a high hit rate of actual unsourced articles in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOOKS">WP:BOOKS</a>, but it's really surprised me how many incorrectly tagged articles I'm coming across now that the drive has started and I've been hitting the "random unsourced article" button. But that's one way to reduce a backlog, I guess! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Asilvering-20240205010200-ARandomName123-20240204171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20240205010200-ARandomName123-20240204171300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20240205010200-ARandomName123-20240204171300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stub_Fu" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stub_Fu-20240204142800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stub_Fu-20240204142800"></span>Stub Fu<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stub_Fu-20240204142800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kencf0618-20240204142800-Stub_Fu"></span>Inasmuch as many of not most uncited articles are stubs, what is the policy, if any, of removing that template once we've a) properly referenced such an article and b) have expanded it, cleaned it up, and otherwise brought it up to speed? My initial thought was to leave them, but now I'm thinking to remove them by way of (possibly) giving someone an itch to scratch... <a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">kencf0618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kencf0618" title="User talk:Kencf0618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kencf0618-20240204142800-Stub_Fu" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kencf0618-20240204142800-Stub_Fu"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kencf0618-20240204142800-Stub_Fu"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240204172800-Kencf0618-20240204142800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">Kencf0618</a>: Well if it has been expanded fivefold and contains at least 1500 characters of prose, you could nominate it as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK">WP:DYK</a>. It's a bit out of scope for this project, so I don't think points need to be awarded for that, but I'm open to suggestions. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240204172800-Kencf0618-20240204142800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240204172800-Kencf0618-20240204142800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240204172800-Kencf0618-20240204142800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204173200-ARandomName123-20240204172800"></span>Beyond adding a valid reference, I don't see how it would be in scope for this drive at all? But it's a good thing to do nonetheless. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204173200-ARandomName123-20240204172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204173200-ARandomName123-20240204172800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204173200-ARandomName123-20240204172800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800-ARandomName123-20240204172800"></span>Honestly, if there is another drive we <i>should</i> consider awarding points for this, because the entire rationale behind this drive is to provide evidence that we should not, in fact, nuke every unreferenced article from Wikipedia for a perceived lack of notability. If an article is notable enough to be expanded beyond stub length, then I think that should be encouraged and showcased as often and as prominently as possible.</dd> <dd>(My horse in this race: Whenever I can, I've been doing this expansion. I don't care about the leaderboard, the discourse around this is motivation enough for me, but I assume others do and might be motivated by the proverbial numbers going off.) <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800-ARandomName123-20240204172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800-ARandomName123-20240204172800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800-ARandomName123-20240204172800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kencf0618-20240205110200-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800"></span>I'm not in it for the numbers, but as a random page patroller. Articles being properly cited is necessary but not sufficent for a DYK nomination. There may be a few which we can kick that way from obscurity, but I doubt it. <a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">kencf0618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kencf0618" title="User talk:Kencf0618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kencf0618-20240205110200-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kencf0618-20240205110200-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kencf0618-20240205110200-Gnomingstuff-20240204214800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240205153500-Kencf0618-20240205110200"></span>I personally have expanded four previously unreferenced articles to the point where they appeared on DYK. The main reason that number isn't higher is because I haven't done much writing lately, but already in this drive I've found one article that could be a good candidate (<a href="/wiki/Sha-Mail" title="Sha-Mail">Sha-Mail</a>, needs juuust a bit more citation). <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240205153500-Kencf0618-20240205110200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240205153500-Kencf0618-20240205110200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240205153500-Kencf0618-20240205110200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28" data-mw-thread-id="h-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28-20240204144600"><span id="FEB24_vis-.C3.A0-vis_FEB28"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28-20240204144600"></span>FEB24 <i>vis-à-vis</i> FEB28<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28-20240204144600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kencf0618-20240204144600-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28"></span>This caught me out (because February is so weird), as in correcting a "mistake" was a mistake. The attractive nuisance should be spelt out more explicately. <a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">kencf0618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kencf0618" title="User talk:Kencf0618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kencf0618-20240204144600-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kencf0618-20240204144600-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kencf0618-20240204144600-FEB24_vis-à-vis_FEB28"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240204193500-Kencf0618-20240204144600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">Kencf0618</a>: Do you mean accidentally leaving FEB28 as the edit summary? I think it's a bit late to change the edit summary people use, but you could go back and make dummy edits to add FEB24. Or, we could just add on the few with FEB28 at the very end of the drive. If many people are accidentally leaving this edit summary, we could add it into the bot that updates the leaderboard, but that doesn't seem to be the case. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240204193500-Kencf0618-20240204144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240204193500-Kencf0618-20240204144600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240204193500-Kencf0618-20240204144600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kencf0618-20240205105200-ARandomName123-20240204193500"></span>Yes, inasmuch as February has 28 days. I'd only made handful of contributions, so it was a quick fix. <a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">kencf0618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kencf0618" title="User talk:Kencf0618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kencf0618-20240205105200-ARandomName123-20240204193500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kencf0618-20240205105200-ARandomName123-20240204193500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kencf0618-20240205105200-ARandomName123-20240204193500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?-20240204170700"><span id="Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?-20240204170700"></span>Adding a source after removing unambiguously unreliable sources?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?-20240204170700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240204170700-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?"></span>I just came across <a href="/wiki/List_of_disco_artists_(F%E2%80%93K)" title="List of disco artists (F–K)">List of disco artists (F–K)</a>, which was tagged as unreferenced. On inspection, it did include three citations, but all three were to rateyourmusic.com, which is unambiguously unreliable. I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_disco_artists_(F%E2%80%93K)&diff=prev&oldid=1203316199">removed</a> those, then <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_disco_artists_%28F%E2%80%93K%29&diff=1203325396&oldid=1203321318">added a reliable source and removed the template</a>. I used the FEB24 tag, but figured I'd ask here -- does that count? Making it "first reliable source" may be a slippery slope for the purpose of rules, but if the existing sources are so bad they obviously need to be removed first, that seems like it could be within the spirit? — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240204170700-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240204170700-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240204170700-Adding_a_source_after_removing_unambiguously_unreliable_sources?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700-Rhododendrites-20240204170700"></span>Seems like scope creep for this drive to me</s> (though it's a good thing to do more generally). -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700-Rhododendrites-20240204170700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700-Rhododendrites-20240204170700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700-Rhododendrites-20240204170700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20240204175900-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700"></span>Which is scope creep? To articulate a rule that adding a source to a page with no sources doesn't count if the page previously had terrible sources that had to be removed? Or to articulate a rule that adding a source counts even if there had been unreliable sources that didn't serve to verify anything in the text? — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rhododendrites-20240204175900-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20240204175900-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20240204175900-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700"></span>I don't see how this is scope creep -- it is, quite literally, adding an inline citation to a reliable source to an article tagged as unreferenced, thus removing it from the backlog. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300-Kj_cheetham-20240204172700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240205190700-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300"></span>Apologies, I must have misread the first time, striking my comment. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kj_cheetham-20240205190700-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20240205190700-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20240205190700-Gnomingstuff-20240204214300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kush_(mountain)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kush_(mountain)-20240204193400"><span id="Kush_.28mountain.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kush_(mountain)-20240204193400"></span>Kush (mountain)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kush_(mountain)-20240204193400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240204193400-Kush_(mountain)"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown">SheriffIsInTown</a>:</span> The citation you provided for <a href="/wiki/Kush_(mountain)" title="Kush (mountain)">Kush (mountain)</a> does not verify what the article claims. Finding two different words on the same printed page is not sufficient. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240204193400-Kush_(mountain)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240204193400-Kush_(mountain)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240204193400-Kush_(mountain)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Failed_reviews" data-mw-thread-id="h-Failed_reviews-20240205034800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Failed_reviews-20240205034800"></span>Failed reviews<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Failed_reviews-20240205034800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800-Failed_reviews"></span>Are failed reviews being subtracted from the point total if the person reviewed failed? Why don't we add a "failed reviews" column so this can be made easier. — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800-Failed_reviews" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800-Failed_reviews"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800-Failed_reviews"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240205040300-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800"></span>I think if we waited until the end of the drive it would be better, so editors have a time to fix their failed reviews. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240205040300-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240205040300-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240205040300-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240205034800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700-Tooncool64-20240205040300"></span>There are also several "failed" reviews that should not be failed reviews. Though I don't know what the alternative would be - reviewing the reviews? <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700-Tooncool64-20240205040300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700-Tooncool64-20240205040300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700-Tooncool64-20240205040300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205092300-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> I guess it is in the interest of the editor to address the issues raised by the reviewer (so they don't lose points). And if editor and reviewer are in disagreement, issues can be discussed here. I think that should be enough, no? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205092300-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205092300-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205092300-Gnomingstuff-20240205044700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problematic_user?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problematic_user?-20240205094600"><span id="Problematic_user.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Problematic_user?-20240205094600"></span>Problematic user?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Problematic_user?-20240205094600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205094600-Problematic_user?"></span>Hi, I would like to discuss here low-quality editing and potentially disruptive behavior by editor <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown">SheriffIsInTown</a>. I just noticed that in their last edits they are using <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.politicpk.com/rawalpindi-district-population-of-cities-towns-and-villages-2017-2018/">PoliticPK</a> as a source, a site that looks like a blog, whose author describes themselves as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I finished my study duration and now i am in a professional (<i>sic</i>) and i am working as a employee in a company.</q>. This source has been added to countless pages of Pakistan towns (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1203519246" title="Special:Diff/1203519246">Special:Diff/1203519246</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1203509814" title="Special:Diff/1203509814">Special:Diff/1203509814</a> among others) despite not meeting the requirements for verifiability. </p><p>Other edits I reviewed, not related to Pakistan, completely failed verification (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024/Reviews#Broc" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Reviews">my reviews</a>, as well as <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris troutman</a> comment <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles#Kush_(mountain)" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles">above</a>). </p><p>The user has been repeatedly asked to look for reliable sources (See also <a href="/wiki/User:Altamel" title="User:Altamel">Altamel</a> comment in <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown#Please_slow_down" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown">the user's talk page</a>), yet this is not being done and the sources added are dubious at best, or completely made up at worst. This affects a significant portion of the user's contributions to the drive (but not all of them, as in several cases reliable sources have been used). </p><p>I am not sure how to address the issue given previous warning directed to the editor have not been successful, I am therefore raising it here. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205094600-Problematic_user?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205094600-Problematic_user?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205094600-Problematic_user?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205111800-Broc-20240205094600"></span>As per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NGEO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NGEO">WP:NGEO</a>, these places are legally recognized populated areas, and therefore, they cannot be deleted as they are documented on maps and in census records. In Pakistan, the census is conducted by the statistics department, and PoliticPK has published detailed census results on their website. This is the most reliable information available for small villages and towns in Pakistan. The data on PoliticPK is authentic and cannot be fabricated. I am simply adding their population figures from PoliticPK as a source, which confirms the existence of these places. So, what, if data publisher finished their studies and working for a company, people do finish their studies and work for companies. Please at least do not label me as a problematic user; I am only trying to help. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205111800-Broc-20240205094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205111800-Broc-20240205094600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205111800-Broc-20240205094600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700-Broc-20240205094600"></span>I found a better source which just published 2023 census records, I will start using that instead. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700-Broc-20240205094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700-Broc-20240205094600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700-Broc-20240205094600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205120200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700"></span>Just to make sure: I never said these pages should be deleted, and I never questioned their notability. I am questioning a behavior I see in your edits, which looks like adding the first Google result as a source without any additional verification, which results in adding dubious sources or, even worse, sources that do not verify the facts in the articles. I have pointed this out several times now.</dd> <dd>In this specific case, I am questioning the use of "PoliticPK" (some random person's blog) data. There is an official source of census data for Pakistan, which is the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pbs.gov.pk/content/population-census">Pakistan Bureau of Statistics</a>. Why not spend a couple more minutes looking for a good source and use that one? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205120200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205120200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205120200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100-Broc-20240205120200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> Your perspective may differ, but the reality is that I didn't simply settle for the first available source. The issue with PBS is that they lacked historical census records on their website, and despite having all other categories of the 2023 census published, the rural population data was missing. While I could locate older census records from more reliable sources, I aimed to incorporate the latest available data, which was from 2017. PoliticPK was the sole source I found for the 2017 census. The data seemed credible to me, and it appeared that PBS had delegated the publication of the 2017 records to that website, implying they may only possess the 2023 records. Given the unavailability of the 2023 data at the time and my confidence in the integrity of the available data, I considered the source reliable. I couldn't fathom anyone fabricating census data for every small village in Pakistan, hence my decision. However, I now realize that PBS has rectified their oversight by publishing the 2023 rural census records on their website, which I can utilize going forward. Additionally, I've addressed all the other concerns you raised as well. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100-Broc-20240205120200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100-Broc-20240205120200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100-Broc-20240205120200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205150200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100"></span>While I do not think "anyone would fabricate census data", a blogger might easily introduce mistakes (copy/paste errors, for instance) which would not be spotted due to the lack of editorial oversight. There is a significant difference in reliability between a blog post and the official census statistics. Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSSELF">WP:RSSELF</a>, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications.</q> which is clearly not the case here.</dd> <dd>All other concerns (including the one right below this comment and the one above regarding the Kush mountain, as well as the many failed reviews) have not been addressed. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205150200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205150200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205150200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205130100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205121200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700"></span>I also have concerns regarding the use of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.irfca.org/docs/pak-stations.html">Indian Railways Fan Club</a> as a source for the pages on Pakistan railway stations. A fan club is not a reliable source, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSSELF">WP:RSSELF</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205121200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205121200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205121200-SheriffIsInTown-20240205112700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240205152100-Broc-20240205094600"></span>As mentioned above, I worry that the work being done is with haste and lacks the quality we need. The rail fan club represents many of SheriffIsInTown's citations added. To reuse a source like that so many times and not even ask on the WikiProject talk page about reliability indicates a lack of discretion. I'd suggest more Wikipedians review SheriffIsInTown's contributions; hopefully SheriffIsInTown discerns that this backlog drive is not the best fit for their editing. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240205152100-Broc-20240205094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240205152100-Broc-20240205094600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240205152100-Broc-20240205094600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205195000-Chris_troutman-20240205152100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown">SheriffIsInTown</a> now without correcting previous pages – even if several editors have pointed out issues – you started sourcing new pages. In <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1203779574" title="Special:Diff/1203779574">Special:Diff/1203779574</a> you add data supposedly <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">according to 2023 census</q>, yet the page you link clearly says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">2017</q> in the URL.</dd> <dd>Please, please, stop for a moment, gather consensus, figure out if what you are doing is correct: several users here are telling you that it isn't.</dd> <dd>I am asking the organizers to consider disqualifying this editor from the drive. Sloppy work should not be rewarded. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205195000-Chris_troutman-20240205152100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205195000-Chris_troutman-20240205152100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205195000-Chris_troutman-20240205152100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240205200400-Broc-20240205195000"></span>If you look at the editors other contributions to Wikipedia, they seem to be in good standing. I feel like this is a slight overreaction to a small number of mistakes. As long as the editor is listening to critiques, I don't believe they should be disqualified. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240205200400-Broc-20240205195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240205200400-Broc-20240205195000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240205200400-Broc-20240205195000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800-Broc-20240205195000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> They are just using the wrong number inside the url, this is 2023 data, check it yourself <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pbs.gov.pk/census-2017-district-wise/results/047">here</a>, url states 2017 but the page states Census 2023, they are just reusing the old urls, as for the correction, I corrected all the pages which you identified on the reviews page, this discussion was still ongoing. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800-Broc-20240205195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800-Broc-20240205195000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800-Broc-20240205195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205204300-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown">SheriffIsInTown</a> Apologies, this was my mistake. Thanks for the explanation. It would be great if you could update the other pages on Pakistani towns with this official census data.</dd> <dd>Note that the question regarding the Indian railways fan club is still open. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205204300-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205204300-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205204300-SheriffIsInTown-20240205203800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205205200-Broc-20240205204300"></span>I will do that but I am not here for the reward or competition. This is my passion. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205205200-Broc-20240205204300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205205200-Broc-20240205204300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205205200-Broc-20240205204300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600-Broc-20240205204300"></span>Call it a poor management or whatever but they handed over 2017 data to PoliticPK and they are reusing 2017 URLs for 2023 data. Now, honestly, we can trust PoliticPK data for 2017 because PoliticPK themselves do not have an ability to conduct a country wide census, they are sourcing their data from PBS which is a reliable source so in a sense we will be souring to RS, just in an indirect manner. I know Pakistan and the way Pakistanis work like my fingertips. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600-Broc-20240205204300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600-Broc-20240205204300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600-Broc-20240205204300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240205214600-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600"></span>The fact you know Pakistan does not make any difference, PoliticPK is a self-published source, published by someone who is not a subject matter expert. I honestly think that PoliticPK just copy-pasted the 2017 data from the official census website at a time when said data was available online, but this is not even the point.</dd> <dd>It's really not hard to see that a <b>personal blog</b> and <b>the official statistical office of a country</b> are two very different types of sources, and if both of them are available, you should always choose the second one. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240205214600-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240205214600-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240205214600-SheriffIsInTown-20240205210600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard-20240205234300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard-20240205234300"></span>Please remove me from the leaderboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard-20240205234300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard"></span>Continuous stress given by the reviewers on trivial matters isn't worth the time and energy; I could allocate my time more effectively elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown" title="User talk:SheriffIsInTown"><b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b></a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300-Please_remove_me_from_the_leaderboard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240206000700-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300"></span>I'm sorry that you feel this way. In my opinion you have been a great contributor to the backlog drive, despite a few missteps. I would like to hear from @<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> , two editors who were involved in the creation of the drive, about this situation. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240206000700-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240206000700-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240206000700-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240206014000-Tooncool64-20240206000700"></span>SheriffIsInTown</a>, you mean a lot to us. We all make mistakes, so don't feel discouraged. Embrace criticism positively, and keep doing the great work you do. Thank you!<span id="DreamRimmer:1707183619011:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240206014000-Tooncool64-20240206000700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240206014000-Tooncool64-20240206000700"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240206014000-Tooncool64-20240206000700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240206022700-Tooncool64-20240206000700"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown">SheriffIsInTown</a>, I regret that it has come to this, and the stress caused by this drive. Your efforts are appreciated, and I wish you well in the future. Thanks for your contributions. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240206022700-Tooncool64-20240206000700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240206022700-Tooncool64-20240206000700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240206022700-Tooncool64-20240206000700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240206030900-ARandomName123-20240206022700"></span>Same here. What matters is the efforts to cite the article and not those points. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240206030900-ARandomName123-20240206022700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240206030900-ARandomName123-20240206022700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240206030900-ARandomName123-20240206022700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240206064900-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SheriffIsInTown" title="User:SheriffIsInTown">SheriffIsInTown</a> FWIW, I appreciated your collaborative approach in the discussion above and your latest efforts in improving the quality of sources. I sincerely apologize if this discussion has caused you unnecessary stress, that was never my intention. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240206064900-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240206064900-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240206064900-SheriffIsInTown-20240205234300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?-20240206161500"><span id="Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?-20240206161500"></span>Does Wikipedia need an article on <a href="/wiki/Moisture" title="Moisture">Moisture</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?-20240206161500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?"></span>This may be a silly question, but I'm currently looking at the short, un-sourced article for <a href="/wiki/Moisture" title="Moisture">moisture</a>, and I'm wondering: does Wikipedia really need an article on this subject, or would it be enough to simply redirect users to the many other related articles (e.g., <a href="/wiki/Humidity" title="Humidity">humidity</a>, <a href="/wiki/Water_content" title="Water content">water content</a>, <a href="/wiki/Condensation" title="Condensation">condensation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Damp_(structural)" title="Damp (structural)">damp (structural)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dew" title="Dew">dew</a>)? The term moisture strikes me as a very vague term (more of a dictionary definition than an encyclopedic subject), and I'm not finding many sources that discuss it in detail except in relation to much more specific water/condensation topics. Just wanted to raise the question. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Alanna_the_Brave" title="User:Alanna the Brave">Alanna the Brave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alanna_the_Brave" title="User talk:Alanna the Brave">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500-Does_Wikipedia_need_an_article_on_Moisture?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mir_Novov-20240207004700-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500"></span>I'd say it's a subject that can possibly still be covered - remember that there are heaps and heaps of sources out there. For a topic as commonplace as moisture, even with intensive searching one will only discover a fraction of a fraction of everything that's out there. Some sources are locked behind paid access, in physical libraries, are only discoverable with the right knowledge, or aren't tagged correctly with the subject matter. There's no harm in setting an article aside for a person who can find some of these later. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Mir_Novov" title="User:Mir Novov"><b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mir_Novov" title="User talk:Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">(t</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mir_Novov" title="Special:Contributions/Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">c)</span></a></kbd> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Mir_Novov-20240207004700-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mir_Novov-20240207004700-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mir_Novov-20240207004700-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silver_seren-20240207010400-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500"></span>If anything, I'd say a Moisture article should be a top level overview article with sections that briefly discuss those other subjects you've mentioned and main article template link to them. <a href="/wiki/User:Silver_seren" title="User:Silver seren"><span style="color: dimgrey;">Silver</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silver_seren" title="User talk:Silver seren"><span style="color: blue;">seren</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Silver_seren" title="Special:Contributions/Silver seren">C</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Silver_seren-20240207010400-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silver_seren-20240207010400-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silver_seren-20240207010400-Alanna_the_Brave-20240206161500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rough_Magic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rough_Magic-20240206233800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rough_Magic-20240206233800"></span>Rough Magic<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rough_Magic-20240206233800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800-Rough_Magic"></span>Probably a dumb question - this article on a movie <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Magic">[6]</a> had the 'unreferenced' tag added in 2018, then a <i>Rotten Tomatoes</i> citation added last year. Is it correct that <i>RT</i> counts as a good enough source and the tag just needs to be removed? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (page does not exist)">Per$1$tenceofv1$1on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on" title="User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800-Rough_Magic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800-Rough_Magic"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800-Rough_Magic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mir_Novov-20240206234300-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800"></span>It appears to be used in the correct context as a cite for the review score, so yes it would count as a source. While you don't get points for incorrectly tagged articles (so don't include FEB24 in your edit summary), removing it still helps clear the backlog and make actual unsourced articles easier to find. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Mir_Novov" title="User:Mir Novov"><b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mir_Novov" title="User talk:Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">(t</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mir_Novov" title="Special:Contributions/Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">c)</span></a></kbd> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Mir_Novov-20240206234300-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mir_Novov-20240206234300-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mir_Novov-20240206234300-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500-Mir_Novov-20240206234300"></span>Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (page does not exist)">Per$1$tenceofv1$1on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on" title="User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500-Mir_Novov-20240206234300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500-Mir_Novov-20240206234300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500-Mir_Novov-20240206234300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240207002700-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500"></span>There's quite a lot of articles that potentially <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3AAll_articles_lacking_sources+insource%3Aref+insource%3A%2F%5C%3Cref%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1">have citations</a> cited but are still tagged as unreferenced. Though there are articles like <a href="/wiki/Hochelaga_(electoral_district)" title="Hochelaga (electoral district)">Hochelaga (electoral district)</a> that have citations but are showing up as unreferenced as there is an unsourced template tag. <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240207002700-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240207002700-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240207002700-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240207001500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trumpetrep-20240212205600-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800"></span>Aside from articles that shouldn't be on Wikipedia in the first place because they are just one sentence long and are already tagged for deletion, this is the second most common problem I've encountered during the drive: articles that have sources that are not properly cited. Quite often, the "External Links" section has appropriate sources, but they are not used as references. Seems like the kind of thing that a bot could fix.<a href="/wiki/User:Trumpetrep" title="User:Trumpetrep">Trumpetrep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trumpetrep" title="User talk:Trumpetrep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Trumpetrep-20240212205600-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trumpetrep-20240212205600-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trumpetrep-20240212205600-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240206233800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="For_your_entertainment" data-mw-thread-id="h-For_your_entertainment-20240207161900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-For_your_entertainment-20240207161900"></span>For your entertainment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-For_your_entertainment-20240207161900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novellasyes-20240207161900-For_your_entertainment"></span>I'm sure others are running into complicated situations that go far beyond not having a citation. Here's one I ran into: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Dietrich_IV,_Count_of_Cleves#Serious_problems_here" title="Talk:Dietrich IV, Count of Cleves">Talk:Dietrich IV, Count of Cleves#Serious problems here</a>. This is a little bit above my current abilities to fully deal with but I'm going to take a stab at it in the interest of learning. <a href="/wiki/User:Novellasyes" title="User:Novellasyes">Novellasyes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novellasyes" title="User talk:Novellasyes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Novellasyes-20240207161900-For_your_entertainment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novellasyes-20240207161900-For_your_entertainment"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novellasyes-20240207161900-For_your_entertainment"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trumpetrep-20240208024200-Novellasyes-20240207161900"></span>Yes, there's a "Deletions" discussion further up this talk page because of precisely these kinds of problems. Most of the articles I'm seeing don't belong on Wikipedia.<a href="/wiki/User:Trumpetrep" title="User:Trumpetrep">Trumpetrep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trumpetrep" title="User talk:Trumpetrep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Trumpetrep-20240208024200-Novellasyes-20240207161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trumpetrep-20240208024200-Novellasyes-20240207161900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trumpetrep-20240208024200-Novellasyes-20240207161900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quick_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quick_question-20240207193600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quick_question-20240207193600"></span>Quick question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quick_question-20240207193600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BeanieFan11-20240207193600-Quick_question"></span>(About the backlog drive) Does the source need to be significant coverage of the subject to count? E.g. would adding <a href="/wiki/Pro-Football-Reference.com" class="mw-redirect" title="Pro-Football-Reference.com">Pro-Football-Reference.com</a> (top football statistics tool) links to unsourced NFL players count, or would I need to add in-depth articles of them? <a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BeanieFan11" title="User talk:BeanieFan11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-BeanieFan11-20240207193600-Quick_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BeanieFan11-20240207193600-Quick_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BeanieFan11-20240207193600-Quick_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240207202800-BeanieFan11-20240207193600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a>: No. As long as it verifies content in the article, it's fine. This drive isn't about notability, it's about references. You could choose to AfD/PROD it if you can't find anything, but that's not required. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240207202800-BeanieFan11-20240207193600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240207202800-BeanieFan11-20240207193600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240207202800-BeanieFan11-20240207193600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wizardman-20240208225000-ARandomName123-20240207202800"></span>The tips section says the opposite, that those reference sites wouldn't count. Clarification might be needed, since I could fly through these a lot faster if I'm just plastering a sports reference page instead of a newspaper. <a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman" title="User:Wizardman"><span style="color:#030"><i><b>Wizardman</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Wizardman-20240208225000-ARandomName123-20240207202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wizardman-20240208225000-ARandomName123-20240207202800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wizardman-20240208225000-ARandomName123-20240207202800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240208225800-Wizardman-20240208225000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman" title="User:Wizardman">Wizardman</a>: imo, it depends on how reliable the reference site is. This one seems fine per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_74#Would_you_consider_pro-football-reference.com_reliable?" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 74">this</a> question at RSN. I also didn't write that part of the tips (<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/20px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/30px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/40px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy ping</b>: <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>), but I believe the intention was to disallow sites like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IMDB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IMDB">IMDB</a>. Sorry about the confusion. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240208225800-Wizardman-20240208225000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240208225800-Wizardman-20240208225000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240208225800-Wizardman-20240208225000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wizardman-20240208235200-ARandomName123-20240208225800"></span>Gotcha. I'll probably still add in the stronger sources anyway just to be on the safe side, but at least I know now. <a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman" title="User:Wizardman"><span style="color:#030"><i><b>Wizardman</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Wizardman-20240208235200-ARandomName123-20240208225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wizardman-20240208235200-ARandomName123-20240208225800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wizardman-20240208235200-ARandomName123-20240208225800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Duplicate_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-Duplicate_name-20240209035700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Duplicate_name-20240209035700"></span>Duplicate name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Duplicate_name-20240209035700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700-Duplicate_name"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Endrabcwizart" title="User:Endrabcwizart">Endrabcwizart</a>:</span> Your name is duplicated at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Participants">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Participants</a> (#23 and #263). The leaderboard also has your name twice. I thought I should let you know :) <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700-Duplicate_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700-Duplicate_name"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700-Duplicate_name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700"></span>Yes, I noticed that there is a duplicate in the username. Please remove the duplicate one <a href="/wiki/User:Endrabcwizart" title="User:Endrabcwizart">Endrabcwizart</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endrabcwizart" title="User talk:Endrabcwizart">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300-MrLinkinPark333-20240209035700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240209132800-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240209132800-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240209132800-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240209132800-Endrabcwizart-20240209073300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw" data-mw-thread-id="h-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw-20240209213600"><span id=".CA.BCNak.CA.BCwaxda.CA.BCxw"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw-20240209213600"></span>ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw-20240209213600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240209213600-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/wiki/User:Trumpetrep" title="User:Trumpetrep">Trumpetrep</a>:</span> The source you provided on <a href="/wiki/%CA%BCNak%CA%BCwaxda%CA%BCxw" title="ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw">ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw</a> fails verification. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240209213600-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240209213600-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240209213600-ʼNakʼwaxdaʼxw"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_me_from_this_drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_me_from_this_drive-20240210184700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_me_from_this_drive-20240210184700"></span>Remove me from this drive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_me_from_this_drive-20240210184700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20240210184700-Remove_me_from_this_drive"></span>Hi, I'd like to request to be removed from the drive. I felt like I have contributed early on but as time passed, I felt I wanted to work on <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21/Sack_of_Delhi_(1757)" title="User:Noorullah21/Sack of Delhi (1757)">other projects instead</a>. Good luck and happy editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21" title="User talk:Noorullah21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Noorullah21-20240210184700-Remove_me_from_this_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20240210184700-Remove_me_from_this_drive"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20240210184700-Remove_me_from_this_drive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240210191300-Noorullah21-20240210184700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah21</a>: Thanks for your work! If you don't mind, I'm going to leave you on the leaderboard for tracking purposes. There's no need to notify us that you've stopped participating; no one is obligated to participate or continue. Good luck on your other projects! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240210191300-Noorullah21-20240210184700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240210191300-Noorullah21-20240210184700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240210191300-Noorullah21-20240210184700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20240210200900-ARandomName123-20240210191300"></span>Thanks, all good. I just thought per the above instances of people requesting to leave the drive I'd have to ask as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Noorullah21" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21" title="User talk:Noorullah21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Noorullah21-20240210200900-ARandomName123-20240210191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20240210200900-ARandomName123-20240210191300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20240210200900-ARandomName123-20240210191300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_remove_categories_done_100%?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?-20240210210500"><span id="Why_remove_categories_done_100.25.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?-20240210210500"></span>Why remove categories done 100%?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?-20240210210500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Replayful-20240210210500-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?"></span>I see that the counter for articles lacking sources since january 2008 was removed. Wouldn't it be nice and motivating to have something showing that it's possible to get to 100%? I know linking to the deleted category would be useless, but it could at least be added it to the milestones in some other way then. It also confused me because at first I thought the top category just had a lot of articles restored. //<a href="/wiki/User:Replayful" title="User:Replayful">Replayful</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Replayful" title="User talk:Replayful">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Replayful" title="Special:Contributions/Replayful">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Replayful-20240210210500-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Replayful-20240210210500-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Replayful-20240210210500-Why_remove_categories_done_100%?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240210210800-Replayful-20240210210500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Replayful" title="User:Replayful">Replayful</a>: How about leaving it in a collapsible box? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240210210800-Replayful-20240210210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240210210800-Replayful-20240210210500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240210210800-Replayful-20240210210500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tooncool64-20240210211000-ARandomName123-20240210210800"></span>If we do end up doing that, two categories have been completed since the beginning of the drive, December 2007 and January 2008. <a href="/wiki/User:Tooncool64" title="User:Tooncool64">Tooncool64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tooncool64" title="User talk:Tooncool64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Tooncool64-20240210211000-ARandomName123-20240210210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tooncool64-20240210211000-ARandomName123-20240210210800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tooncool64-20240210211000-ARandomName123-20240210210800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Replayful-20240210211800-ARandomName123-20240210210800"></span>Sounds fine by me! And I had thought Dec07 was just a figment of my imagination... //<a href="/wiki/User:Replayful" title="User:Replayful">Replayful</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Replayful" title="User talk:Replayful">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Replayful" title="Special:Contributions/Replayful">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Replayful-20240210211800-ARandomName123-20240210210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Replayful-20240210211800-ARandomName123-20240210210800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Replayful-20240210211800-ARandomName123-20240210210800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240211164900-Replayful-20240210211800"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. Suggestion implemented, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240211164900-Replayful-20240210211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240211164900-Replayful-20240210211800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240211164900-Replayful-20240210211800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240210223700-Replayful-20240210210500"></span>Anyone else want to chime in? If not, I'll implement the change in a few hours. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240210223700-Replayful-20240210210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240210223700-Replayful-20240210210500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240210223700-Replayful-20240210210500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Historical_data" data-mw-thread-id="h-Historical_data-20240211023400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Historical_data-20240211023400"></span>Historical data<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Historical_data-20240211023400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altamel-20240211023400-Historical_data"></span>As today is February 11, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Historical_data" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Historical data">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Historical data</a> is now updated with the latest counts for each month in <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:Articles lacking sources">Category:Articles lacking sources</a>. One year ago,<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>a<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> we had 129,706 unreferenced articles. Today, we have 104,881 unreferenced articles remaining, meaning that <b>this WikiProject reduced the backlog by a net 24,825 articles over the last year</b>, almost 20% of the backlog at the time. We emptied out nine monthly categories, a record for the highest number of categories we have erased within a single year, and a tenth category teeters on the precipice of oblivion. Great job, team. <a href="/wiki/User:Altamel" title="User:Altamel">Altamel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altamel" title="User talk:Altamel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Altamel-20240211023400-Historical_data" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altamel-20240211023400-Historical_data"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altamel-20240211023400-Historical_data"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kazamzam-20240212145100-Altamel-20240211023400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Altamel" title="User:Altamel">Altamel</a> - I love the annual update. Thanks so much for doing this every year. Hoping we can break that record in 2025! <a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kazamzam" title="User talk:Kazamzam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kazamzam-20240212145100-Altamel-20240211023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kazamzam-20240212145100-Altamel-20240211023400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kazamzam-20240212145100-Altamel-20240211023400"></span></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">Notes</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist reflist-lower-alpha"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">To be precise, 364 days ago, because the annual update slipped my mind for a day.</span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Faith_Instinct" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Faith_Instinct-20240213115100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Faith_Instinct-20240213115100"></span>The Faith Instinct<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Faith_Instinct-20240213115100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100-The_Faith_Instinct"></span>I went to add a reference to this article <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faith_Instinct">[7]</a> and found that an editor had removed the 'unreferenced' template at the start and replaced it with a notability one. I've added a source anyway. No idea if this edit is eligible for the February 2024 drive, or if one source makes a subject notable, or even if I've got into an edit war with someone. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (page does not exist)">Per$1$tenceofv1$1on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on" title="User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100-The_Faith_Instinct" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100-The_Faith_Instinct"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100-The_Faith_Instinct"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mir_Novov-20240214003100-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100"></span>These templates aren't mutually exclusive - the other editor should have retained the unreferenced one when adding the notability one. And it's perfectly fine to add a source when another editor has questioned the article's notability; if you get into a disagreement, that is what the article's Talk page is for. As to whether the article is notable, the guideline for this is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBOOK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBOOK">WP:NBOOK</a> (note that notability is determined by the <i>existence</i> of sources, not just the ones that are currently in the article). ― <kbd style="font-size:85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Mir_Novov" title="User:Mir Novov"><b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mir_Novov" title="User talk:Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">(t</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mir_Novov" title="Special:Contributions/Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">c)</span></a></kbd> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Mir_Novov-20240214003100-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mir_Novov-20240214003100-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mir_Novov-20240214003100-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240213115100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?-20240216005400"><span id="Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?-20240216005400"></span>Use of Encyclopaedia Britannica?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?-20240216005400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240216005400-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?"></span>There's no community consensus (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_364#Britannica:_a_"strong_reputation_for_fact-checking_and_accuracy"?" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 364">[1]</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRITANNICA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRITANNICA">[2]</a>) that Encyclopaedia Britannica is reliable - should use of Britannica be accepted for the purposes of this drive? (I've come across its use during a review and wish to hear others' views). Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240216005400-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240216005400-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240216005400-Use_of_Encyclopaedia_Britannica?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240216015600-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a>: I think it should be fine. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240216015600-Goldsztajn-20240216005400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240216015600-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240216015600-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240216042300-ARandomName123-20240216015600"></span>Perhaps I should have put my colours to the mast ... I'm not so comfortable with its use. I think given that we are dealing with articles without referencing whatsoever, if we are using sourcing which the community has discussed in depth, we should be aiming for those that have consensus for reliability. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240216042300-ARandomName123-20240216015600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240216042300-ARandomName123-20240216015600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240216042300-ARandomName123-20240216015600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240216062300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span>In my opinion, it depends on whether it is used to support a controversial statement or not. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a> suggests to consider its usage on a case-by-case basis and I would suggest to do so. Who are the editors of the Britannica article? Are they subject matter experts? If not, I would probably tag it with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Better_source_needed" title="Template:Better source needed">better source needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240216062300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240216062300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240216062300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span>It seems like the yellow is largely due to a small subset of the articles being crowdsourced/community-written, and that authorship of the entries would need checking. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300-Goldsztajn-20240216005400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240216160100-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Some entries are written by named authors and their general expertise can be evaluated, and entries should be evaluated on an individual basis.</q> The guideline suggests checking the credentials of each author, even for non-community-written articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> do you want to discuss a specific page/edit? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240216160100-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240216160100-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240216160100-Gnomingstuff-20240216073300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240217031700-Broc-20240216160100"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> and others for the responses. The specific item I was concerned with is not at all contentious, it doesn't require further review. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240217031700-Broc-20240216160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240217031700-Broc-20240216160100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240217031700-Broc-20240216160100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?-20240217113800"><span id="I_miss-tagged_an_edit.2C_what_now.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?-20240217113800"></span>I miss-tagged an edit, what now?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?-20240217113800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Betterkeks-20240217113800-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?"></span>I accidentally used the wrong tag when making a change to an article to which a reference was added by someone else (see <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1208397224" title="Special:Diff/1208397224">Special:Diff/1208397224</a>). I meant to use "[[<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24REVIEW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24REVIEW">WP:FEB24REVIEW</a>]]", not "[[<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">WP:FEB24</a>]]". Sincere apologies, and does anyone know how I might go about fixing this? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">Betterkeks</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Betterkeks-20240217113800-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Betterkeks-20240217113800-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Betterkeks-20240217113800-I_miss-tagged_an_edit,_what_now?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240217132500-Betterkeks-20240217113800"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">Betterkeks</a>, I created the leaderboard update script and I can tell you I have no way to "fix this", your edit will be counted in the leaderboard. It will be probably removed manually at the end of the drive if an editor reviews it as a fail. My suggestion: add a reference to another page and don't tag it with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">WP:FEB24</a> ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240217132500-Betterkeks-20240217113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240217132500-Betterkeks-20240217113800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240217132500-Betterkeks-20240217113800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Betterkeks-20240217144000-Broc-20240217132500"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>, I followed your suggestion for <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1208441455" title="Special:Diff/1208441455">Special:Diff/1208441455</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">Betterkeks</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Betterkeks-20240217144000-Broc-20240217132500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Betterkeks-20240217144000-Broc-20240217132500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Betterkeks-20240217144000-Broc-20240217132500"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Betterkeks-20240303005500-Broc-20240217132500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>:</span> I noticed others make similar mistakes; see <a href="/wiki/Australian_Community_Television_Alliance" title="Australian Community Television Alliance">here</a> as an example. In future drives, the script may need to be extended to detect and compensate. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">Betterkeks</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Betterkeks-20240303005500-Broc-20240217132500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Betterkeks-20240303005500-Broc-20240217132500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Betterkeks-20240303005500-Broc-20240217132500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard-20240218000400"><span id="I.27m_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard-20240218000400"></span>I'm not appearing in the leaderboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard-20240218000400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-20240218000400-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard"></span>Am I doing something wrong? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lenticel" title="User:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lenticel" title="User talk:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lenticel-20240218000400-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-20240218000400-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-20240218000400-I'm_not_appearing_in_the_leaderboard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240218003200-Lenticel-20240218000400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lenticel" title="User:Lenticel">Lenticel</a>: Hi, I have the participants subpage on my watchlist, and I usually add new entries to the leaderboard when people signup, but I must've missed it today. It should be fixed now. Sorry about that! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240218003200-Lenticel-20240218000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240218003200-Lenticel-20240218000400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240218003200-Lenticel-20240218000400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-20240218005100-ARandomName123-20240218003200"></span>I'm in the leaderboard now. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Lenticel" title="User:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lenticel" title="User talk:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lenticel-20240218005100-ARandomName123-20240218003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-20240218005100-ARandomName123-20240218003200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-20240218005100-ARandomName123-20240218003200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hooray!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hooray!-20240218164500"><span id="Hooray.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hooray!-20240218164500"></span>Hooray!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hooray!-20240218164500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500-Hooray!"></span>Congratulations everyone! We've referenced 10,000 articles within three weeks. Great job, and let's bring down the total number of articles to less than 100,000. <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500-Hooray!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500-Hooray!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500-Hooray!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Replayful-20240218192700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500"></span>Won't be long! I'm just wondering if the popular articles will ever reach those starting with <i>d</i>... //<a href="/wiki/User:Replayful" title="User:Replayful">Replayful</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Replayful" title="User talk:Replayful">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Replayful" title="Special:Contributions/Replayful">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Replayful-20240218192700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Replayful-20240218192700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Replayful-20240218192700-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kencf0618-20240221223200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500"></span>I've been working the K field. <a href="/wiki/User:Kencf0618" title="User:Kencf0618">kencf0618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kencf0618" title="User talk:Kencf0618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kencf0618-20240221223200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kencf0618-20240221223200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kencf0618-20240221223200-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240218164500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200-Kencf0618-20240221223200"></span>If we take a baseline of 300 articles per month, it would take around less than a year to make this backlog disappear. I think we need to strategize on how to deal with <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:Articles lacking sources">Category:Articles lacking sources</a> and we need to get people to stick on this WikiProject for the long term. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200-Kencf0618-20240221223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200-Kencf0618-20240221223200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200-Kencf0618-20240221223200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200"></span>Maybe, uh, get people from certain WikiProjects to help out? Like me, for example: I'm interested in referencing California-related articles. <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600-CactiStaccingCrane-20240219112200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240220034600-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600"></span>I promoted <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Organized_Labour#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organized Labour">this drive</a> at WikiProject Organized Labour where I'm active. We use <a href="/wiki/User:CleanupWorklistBot" title="User:CleanupWorklistBot">User:CleanupWorklistBot</a> to generate a clean up list which includes a section on unreferenced articles. I've noticed a number of organised labour project editors participating. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240220034600-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240220034600-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240220034600-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240219160600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on-20240219213600"><span id="Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin.27_on"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on-20240219213600"></span>Not a lot of reviewing goin' on<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on-20240219213600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on"></span>Perhaps it might be worthwhile to create separate barnstars for the reviewers, <span title="French-language text"><i lang="fr">pour encouragé les autres</i></span>? <a href="/wiki/User:Sturmvogel_66" title="User:Sturmvogel 66">Sturmvogel 66</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sturmvogel_66" title="User talk:Sturmvogel 66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600-Not_a_lot_of_reviewing_goin'_on"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240219224300-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600"></span>I was thinking an extra week only for reviews like some other drives, but I'm open to other suggestions. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240219224300-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240219224300-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240219224300-Sturmvogel_66-20240219213600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-20240221012900-ARandomName123-20240219224300"></span>Agree on extra week for reviews. Also fine with reviewer barnstars to motiviate more reviews. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lenticel" title="User:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lenticel" title="User talk:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lenticel-20240221012900-ARandomName123-20240219224300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-20240221012900-ARandomName123-20240219224300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-20240221012900-ARandomName123-20240219224300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków" data-mw-thread-id="h-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków-20240220163500"><span id="Camaldolese_Priory.2C_Krak.C3.B3w"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków-20240220163500"></span>Camaldolese Priory, Kraków<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków-20240220163500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240220163500-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/wiki/User:Moriwen" title="User:Moriwen">Moriwen</a>:</span> For a monastery in Poland <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camaldolese_Priory,_Krak%C3%B3w&diff=prev&oldid=1207887532">you cited</a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.routledge.com/Toward-an-Intercultural-Natural-History-of-Brazil-The-Historia-Naturalis/Franozo/p/book/9781032424729">a 234-page book about the natural history of Brazil</a> and you didn't even provide a page number. Surely you've made an error. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240220163500-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240220163500-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240220163500-Camaldolese_Priory,_Kraków"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Toward_an_Intercultural_Natural_History/f6qtEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Camaldolese%20Priory"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moriwen-20240220163600-Chris_troutman-20240220163500"></span>Nope!</a> Unfortunately no page number on Google Books, though.— <a href="/wiki/User:Moriwen" title="User:Moriwen">Moriwen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moriwen" title="User talk:Moriwen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Moriwen-20240220163600-Chris_troutman-20240220163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moriwen-20240220163600-Chris_troutman-20240220163500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moriwen-20240220163600-Chris_troutman-20240220163500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240220163900-Moriwen-20240220163600"></span>That's a pretty weak cite; the preview shows me almost nothing. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240220163900-Moriwen-20240220163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240220163900-Moriwen-20240220163600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240220163900-Moriwen-20240220163600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240220170200-Chris_troutman-20240220163900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris troutman</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Moriwen" title="User:Moriwen">Moriwen</a>: It's open access from the link you provided. Seems to be page 190, which reads <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Copy 2: Collection: Księgozbiór Kamedułów. Shelf mark: BJ Cam. L. XV. 2. Binding: Parchment. Complete: Lacks frontispiece. Provenance: From the library of the Camaldolese Priory in Bielany, Kraków.</p></blockquote> <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240220170200-Chris_troutman-20240220163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240220170200-Chris_troutman-20240220163900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240220170200-Chris_troutman-20240220163900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_troutman-20240220170500-ARandomName123-20240220170200"></span>So it's a footnote? <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Chris_troutman-20240220170500-ARandomName123-20240220170200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_troutman-20240220170500-ARandomName123-20240220170200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_troutman-20240220170500-ARandomName123-20240220170200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240220172500-Chris_troutman-20240220170500"></span>Pretty much. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240220172500-Chris_troutman-20240220170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240220172500-Chris_troutman-20240220170500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240220172500-Chris_troutman-20240220170500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moriwen-20240220170600-ARandomName123-20240220170200"></span>Oh, nice, I didn't notice it was open access on that link! Thanks so much.— <a href="/wiki/User:Moriwen" title="User:Moriwen">Moriwen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moriwen" title="User talk:Moriwen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Moriwen-20240220170600-ARandomName123-20240220170200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moriwen-20240220170600-ARandomName123-20240220170200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moriwen-20240220170600-ARandomName123-20240220170200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moriwen-20240220170800-Chris_troutman-20240220163900"></span>I agree it's pretty basic and there's definitely room for more!— <a href="/wiki/User:Moriwen" title="User:Moriwen">Moriwen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moriwen" title="User talk:Moriwen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Moriwen-20240220170800-Chris_troutman-20240220163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moriwen-20240220170800-Chris_troutman-20240220163900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moriwen-20240220170800-Chris_troutman-20240220163900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?-20240221003600"><span id="What_is_the_threshold_for_failing.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?-20240221003600"></span>What is the threshold for failing?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?-20240221003600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240221003600-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?"></span>If a citation has a correct, functioning link - is this all that is necessary for a pass when reviewing? In undertaking a review, the added citation fails to mention the name of the publication and misnames the author of the linked article. I'm assuming this is because of an autogenerated citation... nevertheless, the citaiton is technically incomplete and incorrect. Personally, I don't mind doing the clean up, but just for the purposes of reviewing is this a <span class="skin-invert-image" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Thumbs up icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Symbol_thumbs_up.svg/12px-Symbol_thumbs_up.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Symbol_thumbs_up.svg/18px-Symbol_thumbs_up.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Symbol_thumbs_up.svg/24px-Symbol_thumbs_up.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="765" data-file-height="990"/></span></span> or <span class="skin-invert-image" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Negative"><img alt="Thumbs down icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_thumbs_down.svg/12px-Symbol_thumbs_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_thumbs_down.svg/18px-Symbol_thumbs_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_thumbs_down.svg/24px-Symbol_thumbs_down.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="765" data-file-height="990"/></span></span>...? (Just to be clear, in the case of the latter, I would ping the editor). Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240221003600-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240221003600-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240221003600-What_is_the_threshold_for_failing?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240221010400-Goldsztajn-20240221003600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a>: imo, if the citation verifies a statement in the article, it should pass. However, it would be best to give the editor a quick message asking them to double check autogenerated cites. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240221010400-Goldsztajn-20240221003600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240221010400-Goldsztajn-20240221003600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240221010400-Goldsztajn-20240221003600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Self-assessment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Self-assessment-20240221112300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Self-assessment-20240221112300"></span>Self-assessment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Self-assessment-20240221112300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240221112300-Self-assessment"></span>What I mean by this is specifically <s>that</s> whether we can declare instances (where we're aware of them) where we've added references to an article which already had one (or more). I did this several times at the beginning of the drive when the instructions weren't clear to me, and once or twice since by nodding off mid-edit. I'm <b>not</b> suggesting that we attempt to evaluate the quality of our own referencing - as is clear above, views can vary hugely on this. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240221112300-Self-assessment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240221112300-Self-assessment"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240221112300-Self-assessment"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240226062400-Ingratis-20240221112300"></span>I'll answer my own question, which is usually the best way to get a sensible answer :) I've reffed enough extra articles to cover the errors, although I would rather not have had to take the time. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240226062400-Ingratis-20240221112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240226062400-Ingratis-20240221112300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240226062400-Ingratis-20240221112300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done-20240221153000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done-20240221153000"></span>Proposal: Pass reviews for mistagged articles if sufficient work was done<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done-20240221153000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done"></span>Editor <a href="/wiki/User:Engineerchange" title="User:Engineerchange">Engineerchange</a> has been doing exemplary work for the drive by incorporating historic newspapers from <i>newspapers.com</i>. Unfortunately, some of the articles on which the editor has worked were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Mistagged_articles_cleanup" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Mistagged articles cleanup">mistagged articles</a> (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1204420272" title="Special:Diff/1204420272">Franklin J. Maloney</a>): although there was an unreferenced tag, at least one source was included already in the article, but any such sources were notably poorly-formatted or lacking in-line citations. </p><p>I've also personally come across some mistagged articles on human settlements which have included a source merely for the population statistics in their infobox, but nothing in the article main body. Sometimes, I haven't noticed that the article was mistagged until after publishing my edit (thanks, VisualEditor). For most of these articles, I've tagged my edits to those articles; on other occasions, I've just swapped the tag to <i>More citations needed</i> and moved on. </p><p>I think it's against the spirit of the drive to fail reviews for mistagged articles if sufficient work was done for them, and it risks encouraging editors to swap the tag without improving the article. In some examples I've seen, the difference between a mistagged and correctly-tagged article is whether the source was under "References" or "External links". </p><p>Thus, I propose that reviewers be allowed discretion to pass reviews if: </p> <ol><li>The article was tagged as unreferenced despite including sources.</li> <li>Any sources in the mistagged article lacked in-line citations <i>or</i> concerned a minor aspect of the article.</li> <li>The article was not purposefully <i>mis</i>tagged to "game" the drive.</li> <li>The editor has sufficiently improved the sourcing of the article by adding at least one new source and one new inline citation.</li> <li>The editor has removed the unreferenced tag.</li></ol> <p><a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000-Proposal:_Pass_reviews_for_mistagged_articles_if_sufficient_work_was_done"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Engineerchange-20240221160100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span>As the offender, I would concur with this proposal (lol). A few of the ones I've touched have been cases where the congressional bioguide made the article in an automated fashion and moved the congressional bioguide template to "External links". As far as I can tell, there aren't that many left in the unreferenced bucket of these, but I am diligent in confirming the details are in-line cited appropriately (and cite needed where necessary). But, on every one that I've touched, I've always added an additional source (or photo) to meet the nature of the drive. Apologies for being a rule breaker, but I did miss the detail about there being so many inappropriately tagged unreferenced articles. Given each article takes me ~30-90 minutes, I'm not expecting to be close to "placing" in this competition. Cheers, --<a href="/wiki/User:Engineerchange" title="User:Engineerchange">Engineerchange</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Engineerchange" title="User talk:Engineerchange">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Engineerchange-20240221160100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Engineerchange-20240221160100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Engineerchange-20240221160100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240221162100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span>Could we simplify the five criteria? Maybe something like "Any mistagged article without inline citations"? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240221162100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240221162100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240221162100-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300-ARandomName123-20240221162100"></span>That would exclude the example of settlements with population statistics cited in the infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300-ARandomName123-20240221162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300-ARandomName123-20240221162100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300-ARandomName123-20240221162100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240222011400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300"></span>"Any mistagged article without inline citations in body text"? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240222011400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240222011400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240222011400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221162300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240222145000-Goldsztajn-20240222011400"></span>Seems reasonable to me. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240222145000-Goldsztajn-20240222011400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240222145000-Goldsztajn-20240222011400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240222145000-Goldsztajn-20240222011400"></span></dd> <dd><small><span style="display:inline-block;padding:0 1em;line-height:1.75em;border:1px solid #C2C2C2; font-family:sans-serif; border-radius:3px; background:#FFFFFF; text-align:center;" class="plusonetemplate"><span style="color:#D3452A;" class="plusonetemplate"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240223130700-Goldsztajn-20240222011400"></span>+<span style="font-weight:bold;">1</span></span></span></small> <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240223130700-Goldsztajn-20240222011400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240223130700-Goldsztajn-20240222011400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240223130700-Goldsztajn-20240222011400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rusalkii-20240224003800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span>I just stumbled onto an adjacent issue doing reviews: @<a href="/wiki/User:Exp691" title="User:Exp691">Exp691</a> has at least dozens, possibly more, reviews of train station articles where the official website is in the info/external links section, it's tagged as unreferenced, and they add an inline citation to that source and remove the tag. Example: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1208644690" title="Special:Diff/1208644690">Special:Diff/1208644690</a>. Do I count these? If not, someone is going to need to go through a whole bunch of their reviews manually, I only checked enough to be reasonably confident that the pattern applied to all of their X Station article reviews. <a href="/wiki/User:Rusalkii" title="User:Rusalkii"><span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rusalkii" title="User talk:Rusalkii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rusalkii-20240224003800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rusalkii-20240224003800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rusalkii-20240224003800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240221153000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rusalkii-20240224004500-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span>A skim through the rest of their contribution history (without detailed checks) suggests this might represent pretty much all of their source additions to this drive. (To be clear, I don't think they're trying to act in bad faith here, just that this was a sort of confusing edge case where the instructions weren't fleshed out.) <a href="/wiki/User:Rusalkii" title="User:Rusalkii"><span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rusalkii" title="User talk:Rusalkii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Rusalkii-20240224004500-Rusalkii-20240224003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rusalkii-20240224004500-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rusalkii-20240224004500-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240224004900-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span>I would count those. As long as an inline ref is added that results in the tag being replaced/removed, it's ok (imo). <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240224004900-Rusalkii-20240224003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240224004900-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240224004900-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span>So long as the external link supports the text, I would pass these examples. The spirit of the project is to remove the tags; this strikes me like a legitimate (if easy) way of doing so. <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000-Rusalkii-20240224003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000-Rusalkii-20240224003800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20240226062800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000"></span>I'm going to take it that this also applies to external links in Authority control boxes. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Ingratis-20240226062800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20240226062800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20240226062800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Goal_reached!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Goal_reached!-20240222230100"><span id="Goal_reached.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Goal_reached!-20240222230100"></span>Goal reached!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Goal_reached!-20240222230100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240222230100-Goal_reached!"></span>Congrats, we've successfully brought the backlog down to below 100,000 - a week ahead of schedule! Thanks everyone, for all your hard work! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240222230100-Goal_reached!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240222230100-Goal_reached!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240222230100-Goal_reached!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240223001700-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span>Double plus good. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240223001700-ARandomName123-20240222230100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240223001700-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240223001700-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240223004300-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span>Hurray! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (page does not exist)">Per$1$tenceofv1$1on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on" title="User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240223004300-ARandomName123-20240222230100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240223004300-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240223004300-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davidindia-20240223092800-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span>Are we extending the goal to 95k or so since we still have a week to go? <a href="/wiki/User:Davidindia" title="User:Davidindia">Davidindia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davidindia" title="User talk:Davidindia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Davidindia-20240223092800-ARandomName123-20240222230100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davidindia-20240223092800-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davidindia-20240223092800-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-20240223233300-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span>Congratulations! --<a href="/wiki/User:Lenticel" title="User:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lenticel" title="User talk:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lenticel-20240223233300-ARandomName123-20240222230100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-20240223233300-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-20240223233300-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142900-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span>GG gamers <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142900-ARandomName123-20240222230100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142900-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142900-ARandomName123-20240222230100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)-20240223003400"><span id="Power_to_the_People_.28Transnistria.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)-20240223003400"></span>Power to the People (Transnistria)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)-20240223003400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240223003400-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a>:</span> - the citation from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27854.htm">the State Department</a> is ambiguous. It indicates that a party called "For Power to the People--For Social Justice" had an earlier decision to disband the party upheld, however, the party which won a seat in the December 2000 election is mentioned as "Power to the People", transliterated as <i>Vlast Narodu</i> (eg <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=NNkDl2uqNaUC">p.629</a>). There's no clear indication in the sources these are the same. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240223003400-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240223003400-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240223003400-Power_to_the_People_(Transnistria)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victuallers-20240223082300-Goldsztajn-20240223003400"></span>of course they would say that. Its a point maybe worth adding to the article, but if the Republican party in the USA was made illegal and another party was started called The R-publican Party then I'm sure they would say that there was no connection... still thats OR (maybe) <a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victuallers" title="User talk:Victuallers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Victuallers-20240223082300-Goldsztajn-20240223003400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victuallers-20240223082300-Goldsztajn-20240223003400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victuallers-20240223082300-Goldsztajn-20240223003400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240224011700-Victuallers-20240223082300"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a> The State Department source you cited for the existence of the party doesn't unambiguously indicate "For Power to the People--For Social Justice" and "Power to the People" are one and the same. The replication of political parties with similar names in the same jurisdictions is a very common phenomenon and without mention in the State Deptarment source of key people involved the ambiguity remains. The source I linked to unambiguously matches the article's name and confirms the electoral results. I'm happy to change my review, the article just needs a less ambiguous source - let me know if you wish to update, otherwise I don't mind doing it myself. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240224011700-Victuallers-20240223082300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240224011700-Victuallers-20240223082300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240224011700-Victuallers-20240223082300"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victuallers-20240224085500-Goldsztajn-20240223003400"></span>The now article says "There is no indication in the sources that these two are the same except for the similarity of name." and your point appears to be "There is no indication in the sources that these two are the same except for the similarity of name." ???!. Please be bold @<a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a>. My level of interest is very low and I only made the update to please you - based on and attributed to your words... it makes no sense that you are creating long explanations of edits that you think I should make when the whole point of a wiki IMO is that you could can just do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victuallers" title="User talk:Victuallers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Victuallers-20240224085500-Goldsztajn-20240223003400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victuallers-20240224085500-Goldsztajn-20240223003400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victuallers-20240224085500-Goldsztajn-20240223003400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240225111400-Victuallers-20240224085500"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a> - I've been bold, cleaned it up and will amend my review. Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only trying to offer you the chance to claim the points. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240225111400-Victuallers-20240224085500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240225111400-Victuallers-20240224085500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240225111400-Victuallers-20240224085500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?-20240225070700"><span id="Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?-20240225070700"></span>Is this drive encouraging bad edits for the sake of a badge?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?-20240225070700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Betterkeks-20240225070700-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?"></span>I have just come across yet another bad edit (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1210035243" title="Special:Diff/1210035243">Special:Diff/1210035243</a>) resulting from this drive. In this instance, a sentence with an inline citation was added into an article, but the inline citation did not support the sentence at all! It seems the source was not read properly and the edit was rushed. OK, stuff happens, we all make mistakes, and that most certainly includes me. We’re all human. </p><p>But I have noticed some editors (and not necessarily this editor, this isn’t about picking on anyone in particular) with hundreds of edits making at times low-quality, and sometimes blatantly incorrect, edits ... and these are just the ones I happened to have looked at and bothered to finish reviewing. So the question arises: did this drive just result in a lot of poor contributions because of rushing for the sake of a few badges? </p><p>To counter this in future drives, perhaps awarding more points to spotting bad edits than adding them should be considered? A lot more points, to be at tension with those badges, to encourage quality edits? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">Betterkeks</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Betterkeks-20240225070700-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Betterkeks-20240225070700-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Betterkeks-20240225070700-Is_this_drive_encouraging_bad_edits_for_the_sake_of_a_badge?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240225085600-Betterkeks-20240225070700"></span>I think lower edit quality is kind of intrinsic to a drive. Incentivising negative reviews is not a good strategy, as reviewers would become overly zealous. In my opinion a <i> <a href="/wiki/Carrot_and_stick" title="Carrot and stick">carrot and stick</a></i> system where contributions that fail reviews are awarded negative points (say, -1 instead of +1) is probably a better solution to ensure edit quality stays high. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240225085600-Betterkeks-20240225070700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240225085600-Betterkeks-20240225070700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240225085600-Betterkeks-20240225070700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Betterkeks-20240225105600-Broc-20240225085600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>:</span> The degree of 'zealousness' is mostly a function of the number of points you’d get for finding them, and even if high, zealousness by itself cannot create a flood of negative reviews because you can only find a bad edit if it exists – and if they do exist you kinda do want to find them.</dd> <dd>That carrot and stick system you mention depends on bad edits being found, and right now there is a negative incentive to do that because it slows down reviews. A good review can be done in a few minutes. A bad one can take hours.</dd> <dd>I’m not suggesting 100 points but maybe 3–5, although the exact number is open for discussion. Just enough to encourage discovery and entice reporting. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">Betterkeks</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Betterkeks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Betterkeks (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Betterkeks-20240225105600-Broc-20240225085600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Betterkeks-20240225105600-Broc-20240225085600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Betterkeks-20240225105600-Broc-20240225085600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Finding_submissions_to_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Finding_submissions_to_review-20240225193400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Finding_submissions_to_review-20240225193400"></span>Finding submissions to review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Finding_submissions_to_review-20240225193400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reidgreg-20240225193400-Finding_submissions_to_review"></span>Is there an easy way to find unreviewed drive submissions that need a review? I tried picking random ones from the Tally lists on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024">drive board</a> and the first 10 that I checked had already been reviewed (In fact, I noticed one submission which had been reviewed by two different reviewers). – <a href="/wiki/User:Reidgreg" title="User:Reidgreg">Reidgreg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reidgreg" title="User talk:Reidgreg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Reidgreg-20240225193400-Finding_submissions_to_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reidgreg-20240225193400-Finding_submissions_to_review"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reidgreg-20240225193400-Finding_submissions_to_review"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700-Reidgreg-20240225193400"></span>What I do is open a user's tally in one window and the reviews page in another window. I ctrl+f the name of the last article they reviewed on the reviews page, and keep inserting article names from their tally list until I find those that haven't been reviewed yet. It's the most efficient way I could come up with for finding reviewable edits, though it does tend against the review page's recommendation that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">you spread out your reviews to many participants</q>.</dd> <dd>Just some friendly feedback for the organisers: I'm sure there are good technical reasons for this, but I wish the reviews section had been organised by review<i>ee</i> rather than review<i>er</i> for this reason, with also clearer instructions for reviewers/what counts as a pass or fail (per above discussions). It would have been quite helpful, especially seeing as reviews have been somewhat neglected so far. I still really loved this drive, so much so that I have joined the WikiProject! <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700-Reidgreg-20240225193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700-Reidgreg-20240225193400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700-Reidgreg-20240225193400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240225210700-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700"></span>Yes, the review process hasn't exactly been the best, but we'll probably have a different system if we do another backlog drive. Regarding the number of reviews, we're currently at just over 1k, which is a bit under 10% of edits, which isn't that bad, but could be better. There was a bit of discussion about ways we could improve the number of reviews somewhere above. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240225210700-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240225210700-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240225210700-IgnatiusofLondon-20240225204700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240227134700-ARandomName123-20240225210700"></span>I think the suggestion of organising the reviews by reviewee is a good input.; technical reasons should not be an obstacle. I think it was just the first time this kind of drive was done, and a learning is that the review process should be improved next time. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240227134700-ARandomName123-20240225210700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240227134700-ARandomName123-20240225210700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240227134700-ARandomName123-20240225210700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Future" data-mw-thread-id="h-Future-20240227003900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Future-20240227003900"></span>Future<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Future-20240227003900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900-Future"></span>I'd consider the February 2024 Backlog Drive to be an overwhelming success. We've had a bunch of people provide references for articles that needed them, and honestly I'm glad of the work everyone has done here. With that being said, will there be another backlog reduction drive? <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900-Future" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900-Future"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900-Future"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240227034500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span>Not for a couple months, I think. We could make it a yearly thing though, if other editors agree. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240227034500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240227034500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240227034500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143700-ARandomName123-20240227034500"></span>I think we could do sth like this as a four-month until the backlog is slayed. This would give people enough time to cool down while not losing the momentum of the WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143700-ARandomName123-20240227034500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143700-ARandomName123-20240227034500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143700-ARandomName123-20240227034500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D-Flo27-20240227111800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span>I'm open to this kind of reduction drives every now and then. I think it should be milestone based, such as when its close to 75,000 or 50,000 articles without references. <a href="/wiki/User:D-Flo27" title="User:D-Flo27">D-Flo27</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:D-Flo27" title="User talk:D-Flo27">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-D-Flo27-20240227111800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D-Flo27-20240227111800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D-Flo27-20240227111800-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reidgreg-20240228030500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span>I really liked this drive. It got me working with stubs, which I don't often do, and I found some interesting and notable articles for expansion. I've already taken two of them to DYK. Much thanks to the drive coordinators! – <a href="/wiki/User:Reidgreg" title="User:Reidgreg">Reidgreg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reidgreg" title="User talk:Reidgreg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Reidgreg-20240228030500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reidgreg-20240228030500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reidgreg-20240228030500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StefenTower-20240228033700-Reidgreg-20240228030500"></span>Through this drive, I rediscovered a <a href="/wiki/Digby_(band)" title="Digby (band)">local band</a> whose article was a stub, and in the process of finding references found out they were putting out their first album in 17 years, in just a few days. What timing! <a href="/wiki/User:StefenTower" title="User:StefenTower"><span style="color: green;"><b>Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span></b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:StefenTower" title="User talk:StefenTower">Gab</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/StefenTower" title="Special:Contributions/StefenTower">Gruntwerk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-StefenTower-20240228033700-Reidgreg-20240228030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StefenTower-20240228033700-Reidgreg-20240228030500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StefenTower-20240228033700-Reidgreg-20240228030500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143300-StefenTower-20240228033700"></span>This is the peak "why we should cite unreferenced articles instead of deleting them" moment. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143300-StefenTower-20240228033700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143300-StefenTower-20240228033700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143300-StefenTower-20240228033700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span>I think we should hold the drive more often to prevent the backlog from growing and reducing our progress. Perhaps every two or three months? I do agree with D-Flo27's idea of milestones. Reducing the backlog to a specific number is more encouraging than trying to eliminate years of backlog in a month. <a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300"></span>That's a great idea. I like working towards goals. <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100-MrLinkinPark333-20240228061300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100"></span>IMO I think it is a good idea to organize another smaller and chiller effort that tackles <a href="/wiki/Category:Unreferenced_BLPs" title="Category:Unreferenced BLPs">Category:Unreferenced BLPs</a> in-between drives. I think that we should shift our focus to building a "source-first" culture on Wikipedia and encourage people to tackle the backlog when they feel like it. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228063100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waterfelt-20240301002400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span>Just want to say as someone who is new to this particular project I've been truly blown away by the scale of this effort. Referencers, reviewers, organizers, everyone should be proud this is no joke. Would love to be part of it again <3 <a href="/wiki/User:Waterfelt" title="User:Waterfelt">Waterfelt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waterfelt" title="User talk:Waterfelt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Waterfelt-20240301002400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waterfelt-20240301002400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waterfelt-20240301002400-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240227003900"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240229124300-Future"></span>Maybe something you haven't noticed, but I think one of the side effects of this drive is that <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_needing_additional_references_from_February_2024" title="Category:Articles needing additional references from February 2024">Category:Articles needing additional references from February 2024</a> now contains a whopping 12,600+ pages (monthly average ~3-5k). <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240229124300-Future" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240229124300-Future"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240229124300-Future"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142300-Broc-20240229124300"></span>Hey, if there's references, at least we know it exists. <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142300-Broc-20240229124300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142300-Broc-20240229124300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240229142300-Broc-20240229124300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301010200-Broc-20240229124300"></span>Can't wait for someone to run us through the surge in AfDs and PRODs that this drive has created! But I was surprised to count the reviews claimed in the leaderboard sum up to 13,000, so these might be less than I would expect (unless the reviews include untagged articles, which I know certainly contribute to my number). <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301010200-Broc-20240229124300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301010200-Broc-20240229124300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301010200-Broc-20240229124300"></span></dd> <dd><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240301133900-Broc-20240229124300"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:One_source" title="Template:One source">One source</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is our arch-nemesis... <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240301133900-Broc-20240229124300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240301133900-Broc-20240229124300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240301133900-Broc-20240229124300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Leaderboard_not_updating" data-mw-thread-id="h-Leaderboard_not_updating-20240227064900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Leaderboard_not_updating-20240227064900"></span>Leaderboard not updating<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Leaderboard_not_updating-20240227064900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900-Leaderboard_not_updating"></span>Hi, it seems the leaderboard bot hasn’t updated in over 24 hours, any idea what’s going on? <a href="/wiki/User:Pinktoebeans" title="User:Pinktoebeans"><span style="color:#ff9dab">pinktoebeans</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pinktoebeans" title="User talk:Pinktoebeans">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900-Leaderboard_not_updating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900-Leaderboard_not_updating"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900-Leaderboard_not_updating"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240227103700-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pinktoebeans" title="User:Pinktoebeans">Pinktoebeans</a>, I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. The bot has been fixed now. I apologize for any inconvenience caused by the delay in updating the leaderboard. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240227103700-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240227103700-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240227103700-Pinktoebeans-20240227064900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blunder" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blunder-20240227193700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blunder-20240227193700"></span>Blunder<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blunder-20240227193700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700-Blunder"></span>I made an edit by accident and reverted it, but I think I got a point for it which is showing on the leaderboard: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1210521255" title="Special:Diff/1210521255">Special:Diff/1210521255</a> BTW I've made a few other mistakes that I reverted and the points <i>aren't</i> showing. I don't know if this will get noticed at the end of the drive, but I currently have one point I haven't earned. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (page does not exist)">Per$1$tenceofv1$1on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on" title="User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700-Blunder" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700-Blunder"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700-Blunder"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240228031200-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700"></span>No worries, a few miscounted points won't make that much of a difference. If you want to correct for it, you can do as Broc suggested above, and add a reference to another article, but don't add FEB24 in the edit summary. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240228031200-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240228031200-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240228031200-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240227193700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240228150600-ARandomName123-20240228031200"></span>Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (page does not exist)">Per$1$tenceofv1$1on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on" title="User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240228150600-ARandomName123-20240228031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240228150600-ARandomName123-20240228031200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Per$1$tenceofv1$1on-20240228150600-ARandomName123-20240228031200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unreferenced_template_necessary?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unreferenced_template_necessary?-20240228012500"><span id="Unreferenced_template_necessary.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unreferenced_template_necessary?-20240228012500"></span>Unreferenced template necessary?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unreferenced_template_necessary?-20240228012500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500-Unreferenced_template_necessary?"></span>So while I was skimming over mistagged articles, I've found that most articles about Canadian politicians and elections have an unreferenced tag. However, I'm doubtful they're even necessary; there's many similar election templates in these types of articles, and they don't seem to have an unreferenced tag. Should we remove the tags? <a href="/wiki/User:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User:TrademarkedTWOrantula"><span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span></a><sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula" title="User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula">enter the web</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500-Unreferenced_template_necessary?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500-Unreferenced_template_necessary?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500-Unreferenced_template_necessary?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500"></span>I did see ones, such at <a href="/wiki/L%27Islet_(federal_electoral_district)" title="L'Islet (federal electoral district)">L'Islet (federal electoral district)</a> has an unreferenced template. The article is tagged as an unreferenced article but has two references. Maybe these tagged election results can be swapped to <a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced_section" title="Template:Unreferenced section">Template:Unreferenced section</a>. Otherwise, maybe a separate category for unreferenced templates could be made. There's <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Template+does+not+cite+any+sources%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1">171</a> of them. --<a href="/wiki/User:MrLinkinPark333" title="User:MrLinkinPark333">MrLinkinPark333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrLinkinPark333" title="User talk:MrLinkinPark333">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500-TrademarkedTWOrantula-20240228012500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mir_Novov-20240229035400-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500"></span>I've already replaced a bunch of them with the section template earlier, when I was going through and fixing incorrectly tagged articles. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Mir_Novov" title="User:Mir Novov"><b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mir_Novov" title="User talk:Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">(t</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mir_Novov" title="Special:Contributions/Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">c)</span></a></kbd> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Mir_Novov-20240229035400-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mir_Novov-20240229035400-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mir_Novov-20240229035400-MrLinkinPark333-20240228063500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Awarding_the_barnstars" data-mw-thread-id="h-Awarding_the_barnstars-20240228143100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Awarding_the_barnstars-20240228143100"></span>Awarding the barnstars<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Awarding_the_barnstars-20240228143100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100-Awarding_the_barnstars"></span>Sorry for not being active on the drive, real life unexpectedly get in my way and unfortunately I couldn't participate in the drive as much as I've wanted to. However, I can help with awarding the barnstars to participants once the drive ended. <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100-Awarding_the_barnstars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100-Awarding_the_barnstars"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100-Awarding_the_barnstars"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100"></span>(to myself) here is a checklist of things that needs to be done: <ul><li>Awarding barnstars</li> <li>Archive the drive</li> <li>Keep the progress chart/milestones somewhere in the main page for motivation</li> <li>Tackle the BLP backlog (~1.7k articles)</li> <li>Encourage other WikiProjects to clear out their unreferenced bambot listings</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228143100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240228155300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300"></span>I can help out with a few of those items. Also, some editors mentioned eariler up that we don't have many reviews. What do you think about extending the drive by an extra week, but only for reviews? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240228155300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240228155300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240228155300-CactiStaccingCrane-20240228144300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20240229025700-ARandomName123-20240228155300"></span>I think a good idea to extend a week only for reviews - however, perhaps it could be a "review and repair" week? That is, we encourge the original editors to fix references which are found to fail. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Goldsztajn-20240229025700-ARandomName123-20240228155300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20240229025700-ARandomName123-20240228155300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20240229025700-ARandomName123-20240228155300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240229120600-Goldsztajn-20240229025700"></span>That's a great idea! <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240229120600-Goldsztajn-20240229025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240229120600-Goldsztajn-20240229025700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240229120600-Goldsztajn-20240229025700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240308033700-ARandomName123-20240228155300"></span>Actually, I'm going to be headed on vacation for <a href="/wiki/March_break" class="mw-redirect" title="March break">march break</a>, so I don't anticipate I'll do much editing during the next week. @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>, do you mind handling everything needed to close the drive? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240308033700-ARandomName123-20240228155300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240308033700-ARandomName123-20240228155300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240308033700-ARandomName123-20240228155300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308040100-ARandomName123-20240308033700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>, I’d be happy to help with barnstars if you all are okay with it. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240308040100-ARandomName123-20240308033700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308040100-ARandomName123-20240308033700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240308040100-ARandomName123-20240308033700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240308135400-DreamRimmer-20240308040100"></span>Sure, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240308135400-DreamRimmer-20240308040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240308135400-DreamRimmer-20240308040100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240308135400-DreamRimmer-20240308040100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308160200-ARandomName123-20240308135400"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_wait.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span><b> Doing...</b> – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240308160200-ARandomName123-20240308135400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308160200-ARandomName123-20240308135400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240308160200-ARandomName123-20240308135400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308190100-DreamRimmer-20240308160200"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240308190100-DreamRimmer-20240308160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308190100-DreamRimmer-20240308160200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240308190100-DreamRimmer-20240308160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240308225800-DreamRimmer-20240308190100"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240308225800-DreamRimmer-20240308190100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240308225800-DreamRimmer-20240308190100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240308225800-DreamRimmer-20240308190100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240309030400-ARandomName123-20240308225800"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240309030400-ARandomName123-20240308225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240309030400-ARandomName123-20240308225800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240309030400-ARandomName123-20240308225800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Final_leaderboard_update" data-mw-thread-id="h-Final_leaderboard_update-20240229073100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Final_leaderboard_update-20240229073100"></span>Final leaderboard update<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Final_leaderboard_update-20240229073100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240229073100-Final_leaderboard_update"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> As I understand it, the drive still runs today and tomorrow. Could you please schedule a final leaderboard update on 1 March, 23:59 UTC? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240229073100-Final_leaderboard_update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240229073100-Final_leaderboard_update"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240229073100-Final_leaderboard_update"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229073800-Broc-20240229073100"></span>Sure. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240229073800-Broc-20240229073100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229073800-Broc-20240229073100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240229073800-Broc-20240229073100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229140600-DreamRimmer-20240229073800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>: The bot will stop updating the leaderboard in the next two or three hours and will make a final update at 23:59 UTC on March 1st. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240229140600-DreamRimmer-20240229073800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229140600-DreamRimmer-20240229073800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240229140600-DreamRimmer-20240229073800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240229141800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: Would it be possible to have the bot continue updating for the next week, but only reviews? We're extending the review period by an extra week. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240229141800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240229141800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240229141800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229145300-ARandomName123-20240229141800"></span>No problem! – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240229145300-ARandomName123-20240229141800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229145300-ARandomName123-20240229141800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240229145300-ARandomName123-20240229141800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240229150700-DreamRimmer-20240229145300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> I assume you can handle the necessary script changes to only run for reviews, right? <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240229150700-DreamRimmer-20240229145300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240229150700-DreamRimmer-20240229145300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240229150700-DreamRimmer-20240229145300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229151000-Broc-20240229150700"></span>Done, just tested in sandbox. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240229151000-Broc-20240229150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240229151000-Broc-20240229150700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240229151000-Broc-20240229150700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240301000800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: 23:59 (Feb.29) as in a few minutes ago, or 23:59 (March 1) as in in 24 hours? <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240301000800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240301000800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240301000800-DreamRimmer-20240229140600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240301112200-ARandomName123-20240301000800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>, I think it's scheduled for about 13 hours from now. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240301112200-ARandomName123-20240301000800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240301112200-ARandomName123-20240301000800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240301112200-ARandomName123-20240301000800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240301134300-DreamRimmer-20240301112200"></span>That's fine, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240301134300-DreamRimmer-20240301112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240301134300-DreamRimmer-20240301112200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240301134300-DreamRimmer-20240301112200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Broc-20240301114200-ARandomName123-20240301000800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The drive began on February 1 and runs until March 1</q> sounds like March 1 is included, no? I feel the wording is a bit ambiguous. <a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broc" title="User talk:Broc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Broc-20240301114200-ARandomName123-20240301000800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Broc-20240301114200-ARandomName123-20240301000800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Broc-20240301114200-ARandomName123-20240301000800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240301134400-Broc-20240301114200"></span>Yes, I was thinking March 1 was included as well, but I got a bit confused when DreamRimmer mentioned the bot would stop updating the leaderboard. Anyways, I understand now. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240301134400-Broc-20240301114200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240301134400-Broc-20240301114200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240301134400-Broc-20240301114200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bot_underreporting_reviews" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_underreporting_reviews-20240301223700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bot_underreporting_reviews-20240301223700"></span>Bot underreporting reviews<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bot_underreporting_reviews-20240301223700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700-Bot_underreporting_reviews"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>: I'm sorry to say that I think the bot may have been broken by <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABaranBOT%2FFEB24DriveLeaderboard&diff=1211151765&oldid=1211099531">this</a> good-faith edit by @<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>. In that edit, it seems like ARandomName123 manually changed my edit count to 158, having wanted to record the final values for the drive at 23:59 29 February (rather than 23:59 1 March). In published updates since then, the bot hasn't updated my edit value with subsequent edits. At 18:01 today, it should have recorded 160 edits, but instead it still recorded 158, and at 22:01, it should have recorded 175 edits, but instead it still recorded 158. None of my edits have failed reviews. I wonder if other users are affected. <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700-Bot_underreporting_reviews" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700-Bot_underreporting_reviews"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700-Bot_underreporting_reviews"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240301224400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a>: The bot was set to only update reviews for extended reviewing period, so it stopped updating references. Since March 1 is supposed to be included, I'll make another final update somewhere around 23:59 today. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240301224400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240301224400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240301224400-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100-ARandomName123-20240301224400"></span>The bot seems to have been updating other users' <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABaranBOT%2FFEB24DriveLeaderboard&diff=1211307548&oldid=1211151765">edit counts</a> for today: those of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Engineerchange">Engineerchange</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dan_arndt">Dan arndt</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cielquiparle">Cielquiparle</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100-ARandomName123-20240301224400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100-ARandomName123-20240301224400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100-ARandomName123-20240301224400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240301225800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100"></span>Oh, didn't notice that. I'll update it the old way, for now. Might take a few minutes. <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240301225800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240301225800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240301225800-IgnatiusofLondon-20240301225100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240302143800-ARandomName123-20240301225800"></span>Any problems you need me to address? – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240302143800-ARandomName123-20240301225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240302143800-ARandomName123-20240301225800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240302143800-ARandomName123-20240301225800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240303000300-DreamRimmer-20240302143800"></span>Seems fine now, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240303000300-DreamRimmer-20240302143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240303000300-DreamRimmer-20240302143800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240303000300-DreamRimmer-20240302143800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cielquiparle-20240304065400-Bot_underreporting_reviews"></span>Hello <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>:</span> Does the bot automatically disqualify any articles that landed at AfD? How about articles that were at AfD and subsequently kept? <a href="/wiki/User:Cielquiparle" title="User:Cielquiparle">Cielquiparle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cielquiparle" title="User talk:Cielquiparle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Cielquiparle-20240304065400-Bot_underreporting_reviews" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cielquiparle-20240304065400-Bot_underreporting_reviews"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cielquiparle-20240304065400-Bot_underreporting_reviews"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240304135000-Cielquiparle-20240304065400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cielquiparle" title="User:Cielquiparle">Cielquiparle</a>, no, the bot did not automatically disqualify any articles that landed at AfD. It only disqualified articles that were at AfD and subsequently deleted because the tool that the bot used for counting reference points was Sigma's summary tool, which cannot count edit summaries of deleted pages. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240304135000-Cielquiparle-20240304065400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240304135000-Cielquiparle-20240304065400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240304135000-Cielquiparle-20240304065400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cielquiparle-20240304151300-DreamRimmer-20240304135000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> I'm wondering why the bot has subtracted 3 points when it should have only deducted 2 from me. (I mistakenly posted "WP:FEB24" twice in two articles, so was happy to see that it automatically caught that.) The only thing I could think of was that one of the articles I had added citations to was <a href="/wiki/Luke_Duke" title="Luke Duke">Luke Duke</a> which was at AfD but subsequently kept. <a href="/wiki/User:Cielquiparle" title="User:Cielquiparle">Cielquiparle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cielquiparle" title="User talk:Cielquiparle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Cielquiparle-20240304151300-DreamRimmer-20240304135000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cielquiparle-20240304151300-DreamRimmer-20240304135000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cielquiparle-20240304151300-DreamRimmer-20240304135000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tool_for_unreviewed_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits-20240303015200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits-20240303015200"></span>Tool for unreviewed edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits-20240303015200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ARandomName123-20240303015200-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits"></span>Hi, per a few threads above, checking if an edit is reviewed or not is a bit of a hassle, so I made a (extremely) barebones tool to find unreviewed edits. The website lists all unreviewed edits, up to a max of 500: <a class="external free" href="https://arandomtest123.toolforge.org/">https://arandomtest123.toolforge.org/</a> I've tested it on a few people, and it seems to work fine. It's a bit barebones, but seems to work fine. Please lmk if you have any issues/suggestions. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARandomName123" title="User talk:ARandomName123">talk</a>)<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-ARandomName123-20240303015200-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ARandomName123-20240303015200-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ARandomName123-20240303015200-Tool_for_unreviewed_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240304135200-ARandomName123-20240303015200"></span>Good job with the tool, @<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>. Keep it up! – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240304135200-ARandomName123-20240303015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240304135200-ARandomName123-20240303015200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240304135200-ARandomName123-20240303015200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VastV0idInSpace0-20240308135400-ARandomName123-20240303015200"></span>This is sweet, makes thing way easier, thanks! <span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:Indigo"><a href="/wiki/User:VastV0idInSpace0" title="User:VastV0idInSpace0"><b style="color:MediumSlateBlue">¿VØ!D?</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:VastV0idInSpace0" title="User talk:VastV0idInSpace0"><b style="color:white">✨</b></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-VastV0idInSpace0-20240308135400-ARandomName123-20240303015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VastV0idInSpace0-20240308135400-ARandomName123-20240303015200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VastV0idInSpace0-20240308135400-ARandomName123-20240303015200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_92" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_92-20240308113900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_92-20240308113900"></span>Edit 92<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_92-20240308113900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kiwatts-20240308113900-Edit_92"></span>I made review edit 92 and I agree the placement of the citation does not support the sentence before it. I would like to move the citation to support this statement instead. "is situated in <a href="/wiki/Mangalore_taluk" title="Mangalore taluk">Mangalore taluk</a> of <a href="/wiki/Dakshina" class="mw-redirect" title="Dakshina">Dakshina</a> <a href="/wiki/Kannada" title="Kannada">Kannada</a> district of <a href="/wiki/Karnataka" title="Karnataka">Karnataka</a>, India." with citation needed before that statement. i am not concerned about getting credit for the drive, just want to remove unsourced and having needs more citations. There wasn't a reply function so I thought I would message here. <a href="/wiki/User:Kiwatts" title="User:Kiwatts">Kiwatts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kiwatts" title="User talk:Kiwatts">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Kiwatts-20240308113900-Edit_92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kiwatts-20240308113900-Edit_92"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kiwatts-20240308113900-Edit_92"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded-20240309133100"><span id="The_February_2024_.28FEB24.29_drive_has_officially_concluded"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded-20240309133100"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">February 2024 (FEB24)</a> drive has officially concluded<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded-20240309133100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240309133100-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded"></span>Greetings everyone, </p><p>The <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">February 2024 (FEB24)</a></b> backlog drive for <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles">WikiProject Unreferenced articles</a></b> has officially concluded, and I am thrilled to announce the remarkable progress we have achieved together. Our goal for this drive was to bring the backlog down to below <b>100,000</b> articles, and I'm proud to say that we succeeded, reaching <b>97,343</b> articles—a significant decrease of <b>14,300</b> articles from the starting point of <b>111,643</b>. </p><p>I extend my heartfelt appreciation to all <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024/Participants">participants</a> for their dedication and hard work. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024#Badges" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024">Awards</a> have been distributed to recognize each participant's invaluable contributions. </p><p>Special recognition is due to <b>@<a href="/wiki/User:JTtheOG" title="User:JTtheOG">JTtheOG</a></b>, who secured first place with an impressive <b>1431</b> points, <b>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lacanthrope" title="User:Lacanthrope">Lacanthrope</a></b>, who earned second place with <b>1345</b> points, and <b>@<a href="/wiki/User:Egeymi" title="User:Egeymi">Egeymi</a></b>, who demonstrated exceptional commitment in third place with <b>925</b> points. </p><p>With the drive concluded, the drive page has been archived. The users who helped organize this drive are @<a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:ARandomName123" title="User:ARandomName123">ARandomName123</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Broc" title="User:Broc">Broc</a>, and @<a href="/wiki/User:Kazamzam" title="User:Kazamzam">Kazamzam</a>. I also played a small part in organizing the drive. Now, we are eager to hear your feedback on the drive and any suggestions you may have for future initiatives. Your input will help us improve and plan more effective drives in the future. </p><p>Thank you all for your tireless efforts in enhancing the reliability and quality of Wikipedia. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240309133100-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240309133100-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240309133100-The_February_2024_(FEB24)_drive_has_officially_concluded"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lollipoplollipoplollipop-20240310232300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span>Congratulations all 👏👏👏 <span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400 !important;font-weight:bold;">//<a href="/wiki/User:Lollipoplollipoplollipop" title="User:Lollipoplollipoplollipop">Lollipoplollipoplollipop</a>::<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lollipoplollipoplollipop" title="User talk:Lollipoplollipoplollipop">talk</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Lollipoplollipoplollipop-20240310232300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lollipoplollipoplollipop-20240310232300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lollipoplollipoplollipop-20240310232300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240311001700-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span>Thank you to everyone, especially the organisers. This was a really exciting drive, and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I've since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles#Volunteers" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles">signed up for the WikiProject</a>, if others might be interested in joining me! <a href="/wiki/User:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User:IgnatiusofLondon">IgnatiusofLondon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IgnatiusofLondon" title="User talk:IgnatiusofLondon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240311001700-DreamRimmer-20240309133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240311001700-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IgnatiusofLondon-20240311001700-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mir_Novov-20240311083300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span>Thanks everyone for their hard work and dedication. I agree with Ignatius that this was lots of fun, and if there's another drive sometime in the future I'd be more than keen to participate again. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Mir_Novov" title="User:Mir Novov"><b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mir_Novov" title="User talk:Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">(t</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mir_Novov" title="Special:Contributions/Mir Novov"><span style="color:#790">c)</span></a></kbd> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Mir_Novov-20240311083300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mir_Novov-20240311083300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mir_Novov-20240311083300-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240311084800-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span>I forgot to mention in the previous message that 292 users signed up for this drive, and 218 users received awards for sourcing unsourced articles. These numbers are quite impressive, and to the best of my knowledge, they represent the highest participation we've seen in any drive thus far. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-DreamRimmer-20240311084800-DreamRimmer-20240309133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240311084800-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240311084800-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240312173900-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span>It was great! Let's make this a regular thing :)) — <a href="/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240312173900-DreamRimmer-20240309133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240312173900-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20240312173900-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Replayful-20240312175500-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span>It was a party! See you all at the 2040 drive for articles with only one source :D //<a href="/wiki/User:Replayful" title="User:Replayful">Replayful</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Replayful" title="User talk:Replayful">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Replayful" title="Special:Contributions/Replayful">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-Replayful-20240312175500-DreamRimmer-20240309133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Replayful-20240312175500-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Replayful-20240312175500-DreamRimmer-20240309133100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JTtheOG-20240312181100-Replayful-20240312175500"></span>😂😂😂 Lookin forward to it. <a href="/wiki/User:JTtheOG" title="User:JTtheOG">JTtheOG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JTtheOG" title="User talk:JTtheOG">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-JTtheOG-20240312181100-Replayful-20240312175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JTtheOG-20240312181100-Replayful-20240312175500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JTtheOG-20240312181100-Replayful-20240312175500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240317062700-JTtheOG-20240312181100"></span>This is the future that I'm looking for :) <a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5#c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240317062700-JTtheOG-20240312181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240317062700-JTtheOG-20240312181100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CactiStaccingCrane-20240317062700-JTtheOG-20240312181100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5&oldid=1242813220">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Archive_5&oldid=1242813220</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 28 August 2024, at 22:15<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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