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text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Template:Religion" title="Template:Religion">v</a> - <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Religion" title="Template talk:Religion">t</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Religion&action=edit">e</a></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>It has been very well said, that if triangles were to make to themselves gods, they would give them three sides.</div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:4px 10px 8px;font-size:smaller;line-height:1.6em;text-align:right;"><cite style="font-style:normal;position:relative;z-index:2">—Montesquieu's <i>Persian Letters</i><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup></cite> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Self projection as god</b> (<b>SPAG</b>) describes the phenomenon through which believers, when trying to ascribe a personality and wishes to their chosen <a href="/wiki/God" title="God">god</a>, tend to arrive at something that is oddly similar to what they themselves think and feel. Whether the process is conscious, a concerted effort to invoke a divine mandate in support of their actions, or just another form of subconscious <a href="/wiki/Psychological_projection" title="Psychological projection">psychological projection</a>, SPAG is a contributing factor to <a href="/wiki/Cafeteria_Christianity" title="Cafeteria Christianity">cafeteria Christianity</a>. SPAG has also been called <b>vicarious autotheism</b>. </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Origins_and_adoption"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Origins and adoption</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#Projection_theories_of_religion"><span class="tocnumber">1.1</span> <span class="toctext">Projection theories of religion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Origin_of_SPAG_terminology"><span class="tocnumber">1.2</span> <span class="toctext">Origin of SPAG terminology</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#How_does_SPAG_work.3F"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">How does SPAG work?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Examples_in_Christianity"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Examples in Christianity</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Can_Christians_be_rich.3F"><span class="tocnumber">3.1</span> <span class="toctext">Can Christians be rich?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-7"><a href="#Can_Christians_divorce_and_re-marry.3F"><span class="tocnumber">3.2</span> <span class="toctext">Can Christians divorce and re-marry?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#Unwarranted_authority"><span class="tocnumber">3.3</span> <span class="toctext">Unwarranted authority</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-9"><a href="#Prayer"><span class="tocnumber">3.4</span> <span class="toctext">Prayer</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#What_the_bible_says_about_SPAG"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">What the bible says about SPAG</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Notes"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Notes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#References"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">References</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Origins_and_adoption">Origins and adoption</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Origins and adoption">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Projection_theories_of_religion">Projection theories of religion</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Projection theories of religion">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>The concept dates back to antiquity and could certainly play a role in the formation and development of <a href="/wiki/Religion" title="Religion">religions</a>. <b>Projection theories of religion</b> became increasingly popular during the modern era, especially among thinkers of a <a href="/wiki/Materialism" title="Materialism">materialistic</a> bent. A whole array of <a href="/wiki/Philosopher" class="mw-redirect" title="Philosopher">philosophers</a> and <a href="/wiki/Social_science" title="Social science">social scientists</a> have advocated some form of projection theory. <a href="/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes" title="Thomas Hobbes">Thomas Hobbes</a> and <a href="/wiki/David_Hume" title="David Hume">David Hume</a> posited that religion began as the <a href="/wiki/Anthropomorphism" class="mw-redirect" title="Anthropomorphism">anthropomorphism</a> of natural phenomena. <a href="/wiki/Ludwig_Feuerbach" title="Ludwig Feuerbach">Ludwig Feuerbach</a> argued that god is the projection of humanity's positive attributes and ideals. <a href="/wiki/Karl_Marx" title="Karl Marx">Marx</a> and <a href="/wiki/Friedrich_Engels" title="Friedrich Engels">Engels</a>, modifying Feuerbach, saw religion as an epiphenomenon of the social structure. <a href="/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche" title="Friedrich Nietzsche">Friedrich Nietzsche</a> also came under the influence of Feuerbach. <a href="/wiki/Emile_Durkheim" title="Emile Durkheim">Emile Durkheim</a> similarly saw religion as a projection of social norms and values. <a href="/wiki/Sigmund_Freud" title="Sigmund Freud">Sigmund Freud</a> claimed that god was a heavenly projection of a father-figure.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup> The modern <a href="/wiki/Cognitive_science" title="Cognitive science">cognitive science</a> of religion also includes ideas similar to earlier projection theories. In this variant, one of the elements of religious cognition is "theory of mind," which allows humans to project agency onto inanimate objects or onto posited <a href="/wiki/Supernatural" title="Supernatural">supernatural</a> beings.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3">[3]</a></sup> Much like Hobbes and Hume, Stewart Guthrie, a forefather of this cognitivist tradition, views anthropomorphism as central to religion.<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4">[4]</a></sup> </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Origin_of_SPAG_terminology">Origin of SPAG terminology</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Origin of SPAG terminology">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>The specific phrase "self projection as God" is attributed to a forum post made by the user DTE on the website <a href="/wiki/Why_Won%27t_God_Heal_Amputees" title="Why Won't God Heal Amputees">Why Won't God Heal Amputees</a>?<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5">[5]</a></sup> </p><p>The phrase became a <a href="/wiki/Meme" title="Meme">meme</a> on the site, and had been further publicized by the now defunct Avangelism Project.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6">[6]</a></sup> The phrase very succinctly sums up what people have known about gods for thousands of years: they may be real or man-made constructs, but either way they're used mostly as a front to push the believer's agenda. </p> <div style="clear:both"></div> <h2><span id="How_does_SPAG_work?"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="How_does_SPAG_work.3F">How does SPAG work?</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: How does SPAG work?">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:322px;"><a href="/wiki/File:God_meets_God.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="/w/images/thumb/5/52/God_meets_God.jpg/320px-God_meets_God.jpg" decoding="async" width="320" height="167" class="thumbimage" srcset="/w/images/thumb/5/52/God_meets_God.jpg/480px-God_meets_God.jpg 1.5x, /w/images/5/52/God_meets_God.jpg 2x" data-file-width="614" data-file-height="321" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:God_meets_God.jpg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>Hey God, you're cool with my lying around all day getting some air to my wiener? Great, thanks!</div></div></div> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>You can safely assume you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.</div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:4px 10px 8px;font-size:smaller;line-height:1.6em;text-align:right;"><cite style="font-style:normal;position:relative;z-index:2">—Anne Lamott<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7">[7]</a></sup></cite> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>SPAG allows the believer to <a href="/wiki/Rationalization#Psychology" title="Rationalization">overcome issues of</a> <a href="/wiki/Morality" title="Morality">morality</a> and inconvenience in their religion. In the case of morality, the thought process may be summed-up as follows: </p> <ol><li>I believe that <i>x</i> is immoral</li> <li>God is moral/<a href="/wiki/Divine_command_theory" title="Divine command theory">morality comes from God</a></li> <li>God can't possibly support <i>x</i></li></ol> <p>Replace <i>x</i> with <a href="/wiki/Racism" title="Racism">racism</a><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8">[note 1]</a></sup>/<a href="/wiki/Racism#Mormonism" title="Racism">racial equality</a>, <a href="/wiki/American_Civil_War" title="American Civil War">freeing the slaves/slavery</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fundamentalist_Mormonism" title="Fundamentalist Mormonism">polygamy</a>/monogamy/<a href="/wiki/Celibacy" title="Celibacy">celibacy</a>, <a href="/wiki/Homophobia" title="Homophobia">homophobia</a>/<a href="/wiki/Homosexuality" title="Homosexuality">homosexuality</a>, <a href="/wiki/Genocide" title="Genocide">genocide</a>/world <a href="/wiki/Peace" class="mw-redirect" title="Peace">peace</a>, gender equality/inequality, and pretty much anything else one may wish to justify. </p><p>Such a conclusion may have scriptural support, but as is often the case with holy books, contradictory verses are almost certainly found. The believer must either ignore the verses that espouse the disagreeable view, or in more <a href="/wiki/Christian_apologetics" class="mw-redirect" title="Christian apologetics">sophisticated theology</a>, will find a way to reinterpret them away.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9">[8]</a></sup> </p><p>Perhaps the most chilling approach in addressing moral issues is to accept God as the arbiter of all things moral, thus using a "might makes right" argument to justify pretty nasty behavior. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Examples_in_Christianity">Examples in Christianity</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Examples in Christianity">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <h3><span id="Can_Christians_be_rich?"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Can_Christians_be_rich.3F">Can Christians be rich?</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Can Christians be rich?">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>Wealth and <a href="/wiki/Social_justice" title="Social justice">social justice</a> are areas in which modern-day Christians diverge greatly from <a href="/wiki/Christ" class="mw-redirect" title="Christ">Christ</a>'s teachings as relayed in the <a href="/wiki/Gospels" title="Gospels">gospels</a>. Christ espoused an outlook that in modern times would have more in common with <a href="/wiki/Socialism" title="Socialism">socialism</a> than the brand of capitalism enthusiastically supported by modern-day <a href="/wiki/Conservative" class="mw-redirect" title="Conservative">conservative Christians</a> of America. </p><p>Christ was an <a href="/wiki/Apocalyptic" class="mw-redirect" title="Apocalyptic">apocalyptic</a> preacher whose teachings hinged on the idea that the world was soon coming to an end, and that the true rewards would come in his father's kingdom.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10">[note 2]</a></sup> The gospel accounts vary greatly in how Christ is depicted, but the need to live an austere and humble life is overwhelmingly supported by gospel accounts.<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11">[9]</a></sup> Despite this, modern-day Christians to varying extents appear to ignore <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Annotated_Bible/Matthew#Matthew_19:24" title="RationalWiki:Annotated Bible/Matthew">Matthew 19:24</a>. </p><p>Jesus taught that the meek and downtrodden would be the most favored in the afterlife, and that his followers should relieve themselves of their wealth if they wish to see Heaven. The charitable works of some Christians are evident, yet most appear to be relying on Jesus not being entirely serious about the whole camel passing through the eye of a needle thing. It seems difficult to reconcile the political and financial aspirations of modern-day conservative Christians with the teachings of Christ. Although it cannot reasonably be considered to be personal wealth, the opulence in which the <a href="/wiki/Pope" title="Pope">"Vicar of Christ"</a> and his minions live is more comparable to that of Herod Antipas (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Antipas" class="extiw" title="wp:Herod Antipas" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Herod Antipas">Herod Antipas</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> was the Rome-appointed ruler of Galilee and Perea, most commonly known in Christianity for his role in the execution of Christ) than of Christ and his disciples; yet the <a href="/wiki/Catholic_Church" class="mw-redirect" title="Catholic Church">Catholic Church</a> doesn't see it as a problem. </p><p>The wish for Christ to be a gung-ho <a href="/wiki/Capitalist" class="mw-redirect" title="Capitalist">capitalist</a> reached its zenith in the form of <a href="/wiki/Name_it_and_claim_it" title="Name it and claim it">prosperity theology</a> when some Christians somehow reasoned that Jesus wanted his followers to have mansions on Earth — not just in Heaven! This extreme view is in a minority, but is far from being a fringe <a href="/wiki/Cult" title="Cult">cult</a>. </p> <h3><span id="Can_Christians_divorce_and_re-marry?"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Can_Christians_divorce_and_re-marry.3F">Can Christians divorce and re-marry?</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Can Christians divorce and re-marry?">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:302px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Chick_tract_-_judgement_and_Hell.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="/w/images/thumb/c/c7/Chick_tract_-_judgement_and_Hell.jpg/300px-Chick_tract_-_judgement_and_Hell.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="154" class="thumbimage" srcset="/w/images/c/c7/Chick_tract_-_judgement_and_Hell.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="205" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Chick_tract_-_judgement_and_Hell.jpg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div><s>Jesus</s> <a href="/wiki/Jack_Chick" title="Jack Chick">Jack Chick</a> doesn't care about works — only that believers utter the <a href="/wiki/Deathbed_conversion" title="Deathbed conversion">magical words to Jesus prior to death</a>. Failure to do so will result in the unfortunate <a href="/wiki/Heathen" title="Heathen">heathen</a> being bodily tossed in to the lake of fire by an <a href="/wiki/Angel" title="Angel">angel</a> (not a <a href="/wiki/Devil" class="mw-redirect" title="Devil">devil</a>, apparently, as you would normally expect).</div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Adultery" title="Adultery">Adultery</a> is forbidden, as is <a href="/wiki/Divorce" title="Divorce">divorce</a> unless it's because of the wife's adultery (no mention of the husband<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12">[note 3]</a></sup>), but the popularity of divorce in <a href="/wiki/Red_state" class="mw-redirect" title="Red state">Red states</a> suggests a certain enthusiasm for having a second, third, or even a fourth chance at love. This runs in direct opposition to Christ's claim that divorcees who remarry are committing adultery.<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-13">[note 4]</a></sup> Few Christians appear troubled by this, and certainly do not stone people to death, as required by <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Annotated_Bible/Deuteronomy#Deuteronomy_22:22" title="RationalWiki:Annotated Bible/Deuteronomy">Deuteronomy 22:22</a>. </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Unwarranted_authority">Unwarranted authority</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Unwarranted authority">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>SPAG lends an unwarranted air of authority to wishes of a more earthly origin, and can be a useful arbiter of "absolute" <a href="/wiki/Morality" title="Morality">morality</a>. Morals are largely determined by biology and societal expectations of what constitutes acceptable behavior. Having an all-powerful creator espousing these morals would give a set of morals more authority in the minds of believers than something put together by a bunch of guys in togas, so in religious societies, there is a strong imperative to have God agree with that which society or its ruling classes find to be desirable. To use an example, no country has ever gone to war under the belief that God was going to be on the side of the other guy. If two countries of the same religion ever go to war, each side will believe God to be with them — yet this cannot possibly be true unless God has a very odd sense of humor. In <a href="/wiki/World_War_II" title="World War II">World War II</a>, the German Wehrmacht (the bulk of the German military forces) wore belt buckles emblazoned with the legend <i>"Gott mit uns"</i> (God with us). <a href="/wiki/Hitler" class="mw-redirect" title="Hitler">Hitler</a> concocted a Christ that curiously enough was oddly supportive of his efforts in fighting "<a href="/wiki/International_Jewish_conspiracy" title="International Jewish conspiracy">international Jewry</a>". </p> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.</div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:4px 10px 8px;font-size:smaller;line-height:1.6em;text-align:right;"><cite style="font-style:normal;position:relative;z-index:2">—A speech made by Adolf Hitler in April 12, 1922.<sup id="cite_ref-14" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-14">[10]</a></sup></cite> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Accepting people as being "on a mission from God" carries with it the risk that morally unacceptable behavior will be tolerated, a prominent example of which is found in the ongoing <a href="/wiki/Catholic_Church#Abuse" class="mw-redirect" title="Catholic Church">Catholic sex abuse scandals</a>. A secular organization (or state) found to be undeniably complicit in the ongoing protection of men who <a href="/wiki/Rape" title="Rape">rape</a> children would receive short shrift, yet the leader of this organization — despite evidence that it's highly improbable that he was not involved in these activities or at least aware of them — continues to be welcomed as an honored guest. Further evidence of SPAG within the Catholic Church is in its structure. <a href="/wiki/Pope" title="Pope">Popes</a> are elected, allegedly with the intervention of God, when the previous one dies. The Pope, as the leader of the church, would obviously set the tone of the church during his papacy. Rather strangely, God's wishes appear to change with each Pope. Under Pope Leo X (Pope from 1513 to 1521), God wanted his church to fund repair work through the sale of <a href="/wiki/Indulgence" title="Indulgence">indulgences</a>,<sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-15">[note 5]</a></sup> yet in modern times indulgences are used far less crudely (i.e. not just sold for cash). Under <a href="/wiki/Pope_Francis" title="Pope Francis">Pope Francis</a>, the church issued indulgences as a reward to people who attended World Youth Day in 2013.<sup id="cite_ref-16" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-16">[11]</a></sup> God has obviously become more subtle as time has passed. Pope Pius XI, the Pope who reigned before World War II, was a staunch critic of the <a href="/wiki/Nazi" class="mw-redirect" title="Nazi">Nazi</a> ideology and regime, yet when God appointed Pope Pius XII as his successor, the church's (and presumably God's) position on Nazi Germany became somewhat warmer. </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Prayer">Prayer</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Prayer">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, <i>I'm willing, Lord. I'll do whatever You want me to do.</i> Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people, with their own corruptions, limitations and agendas.</div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:4px 10px 8px;font-size:smaller;line-height:1.6em;text-align:right;"><cite style="font-style:normal;position:relative;z-index:2">—<a href="/wiki/Bill_Maher" title="Bill Maher">Bill Maher</a>, <i>Religulous</i><sup id="cite_ref-17" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-17">[12]</a></sup></cite> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Prayer is also another topic which exemplifies SPAG. When theists pray, they believe they are praying to God. Since God doesn't actually respond verbally, those that pray fill in God's voice with their own thoughts and desires. This in turn results in religious people giving in to their most base fears and feelings, which is often a bad thing (with wars and what not). </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="What_the_bible_says_about_SPAG">What the bible says about SPAG</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: What the bible says about SPAG">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord.- Isaiah 55:8 </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: See also">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div style="clear: right; float:right; border:solid #ff8500 1px; margin: 1px 0; width:250px; padding:2px; background:#ffff80;"> <table cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width:45px;height:45px;text-align:center"><span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/File:Icon_fun.svg" class="image"><img alt="Icon fun.svg" src="/w/images/thumb/5/5c/Icon_fun.svg/50px-Icon_fun.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" srcset="/w/images/thumb/5/5c/Icon_fun.svg/75px-Icon_fun.svg.png 1.5x, /w/images/thumb/5/5c/Icon_fun.svg/100px-Icon_fun.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size:9pt;padding:4pt;line-height:1.25em;color:red;">For those of you in the mood, <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki" title="RationalWiki">RationalWiki</a> has a <i>fun</i> article about <i><a href="/wiki/Fun:Self_projection_as_goat" title="Fun:Self projection as goat">Self projection as goat</a></i>. </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Cafeteria_Christian" class="mw-redirect" title="Cafeteria Christian">Cafeteria Christian</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Morality" title="Morality">Morality</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Psychological_projection" title="Psychological projection">Psychological projection</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Eckhart_Tolle" title="Eckhart Tolle">Eckhart Tolle</a>, "The God of the <a href="/wiki/Bible" title="Bible">Bible</a> is the God that man made in his own image…"</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Why_Won%27t_God_Heal_Amputees" title="Why Won't God Heal Amputees">Why Won't God Heal Amputees</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Notes">Notes</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Notes">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="font-size:90%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-8">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">The early gospel accounts portray Jesus as having come solely for the Jews. See <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Annotated_Bible/Matthew#Matthew_15:28" title="RationalWiki:Annotated Bible/Matthew">Matthew 15:28</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-10">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">In <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Annotated_Bible/Matthew#Matthew_16:28" title="RationalWiki:Annotated Bible/Matthew">Matthew 16:28</a>, Jesus told his disciples that the kingdom of God would come before they would all be dead. This obviously <a href="/wiki/End_of_the_world#1st_century" class="mw-redirect" title="End of the world">did not happen</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-12"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-12">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">It's not like <a href="/wiki/Polygamy" title="Polygamy">polygamy</a> was forbidden back then, so that usually doesn't count.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-13"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-13">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Jim_Bakker" title="Jim Bakker">Jim Bakker</a> should have read <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Annotated_Bible/Matthew#Matthew_5:32" title="RationalWiki:Annotated Bible/Matthew">Matthew 5:32</a> before deciding to remarry.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-15"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-15">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">An indulgence is a remission from penance that must be done on Earth or time to be served in <a href="/wiki/Purgatory" title="Purgatory">purgatory</a> as punishment for <a href="/wiki/Sin" title="Sin">sins</a> that have been forgiven.</span> </li> </ol></div></div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Self_projection_as_god&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: References">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:80%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap mw-references-columns"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Persian_Letters/Letter_59">http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Persian_Letters/Letter_59</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9780631181392_chunk_g978063118139217_ss1-67">"Projection Theories of Religion"</a>, in <i>A New Dictionary of Religions</i>, ed. John R. Hinnells.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Andy Coghlan. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16725-theory-of-mind-could-help-explain-belief-in-god.html">Theory of Mind Could Help Explain Belief in God.</a> <i><a href="/wiki/New_Scientist" title="New Scientist">New Scientist</a></i>, Mar. 2009</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-4">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Stewart Guthrie. (1995) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://as.ua.edu/rel/faces.html"><i>Faces in the Clouds: A New Theory of Religion</i>.</a> New York: Oxford University Press.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-5">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/index.php?topic=4868.msg78468#msg78468">WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com</a>. See also [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/*/http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,18383.0.html">Archive copy</a> at the <a href="/wiki/Wayback_Machine" class="mw-redirect" title="Wayback Machine">Wayback Machine</a> What is spag?] for a discussion on the same forum regarding the authorship of the phrase.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-6">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://articles.exchristian.net/2009/12/all-christianity-is-self-projection-as.html">All Christianity is Self Projection as God</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-7">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anne_Lamott">Traveling Mercies; on page 22 of Bird by Bird</a> she attributes this to "my priest friend Tom"</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-9">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">The YouTube user NonStampCollector offers a humorous depiction of reinterpretation in his video: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector#p/u/39/5mLOUWl-L-s">Jesus and the Interpreter. A modern-day christian helps Jesus get started</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-11"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-11">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://doubtreligion.blogspot.com/2010/08/rd-extra-which-jesus.html">Which Jesus: Examining Differences in the Gospel Narratives</a> — Jeremy Beahan, of Reasonable Doubts fame, exploring the contradictory biblical accounts of Jesus.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-14"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-14">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939</i> edited by Norman H. 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