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<td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015">2015</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/12">12</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> <div class="tpl-categories-for-discussion-box"> <table> <tbody><tr> <th></th> <th>Jan</th> <th>Feb</th> <th>Mar</th> <th>Apr</th> <th>May</th> <th>Jun</th> <th>Jul</th> <th>Aug</th> <th>Sep</th> <th>Oct</th> <th>Nov</th> <th>Dec </th></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016">2016</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017">2017</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018">2018</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019">2019</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020">2020</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021">2021</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022">2022</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023">2023</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024">2024</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/12 (page does not exist)">12</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> <div class="tpl-categories-for-discussion-title"> Archive July 2007 </div> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Red_indian_tents">1 Category:Red indian tents</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Red_indians">2 Category:Red indians</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Language">3 Category:Language</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce">4 Category:Mapy diecezji rzymskokatolickich w Polsce</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)">5 Category:Circle, Category:Circles and Category:Circles (Geometry)</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Summary_and_vote">5.1 Summary and vote</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Clear_Category:Circle_by_moving_to_appropriate_other_categories,_mainly_Category:Circles">5.1.1 Clear Category:Circle by moving to appropriate other categories, mainly Category:Circles</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Create_a_category/gallery_Plain_circles">5.1.2 Create a category/gallery Plain circles</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Rename_Category:Circles_(Geometry)_to_Category:Circle_geometry">5.1.3 Rename Category:Circles (Geometry) to Category:Circle geometry</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland">6 Category:Soccer in England & Category:Soccer in Scotland</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Poll">7 Poll</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Alternatives">7.1 Alternatives</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Votes">7.2 Votes</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Votes_count">7.3 Votes count</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Comments">7.4 Comments</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Vote">8 Vote</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Historical_Markers">9 Category:Historical Markers</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Maps_by_theme">10 Category:Maps by theme</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:SVG_maps">11 Category:SVG maps</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East">12 Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:EL">13 Category:EL</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Villages_by_country">14 Category:Villages by country</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Bene_Beraq">15 Category:Bene Beraq</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre">16 Category:Musical genres and Category:Musical groups by genre</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Double_check,_please:_129_category_moves">17 Double check, please: 129 category moves</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Needs_fixing_and_checking:_125_category_moves">18 Needs fixing and checking: 125 category moves</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Japanese_garden">19 Category:Japanese garden</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Wikisource">20 Category:Wikisource</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Flanders">21 Category:Flanders</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Diagrams_of_road_signs_of_the_United_States">22 Category:Diagrams of road signs of the United States</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Topology_(Network)">23 Category:Topology (Network)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Lightnings">24 Category:Lightnings</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Audio_by_brand">25 Category:Audio by brand</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Round_forms">26 Category:Round forms</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Move_request_for_Category:Round_forms">26.1 Move request for Category:Round forms</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Black_and_white_photographs_of_familly">27 Category:Black and white photographs of familly</a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r901496813">.mw-parser-output .delh{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f3f9ff);margin:0 auto;padding:0 10px;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-top:7px;color:inherit}</style><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Red_indian_tents" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Red_indian_tents-2007-07-01T06:23:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Red_indian_tents&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Red indian tents (page does not exist)">Category:Red indian tents</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Red_indian_tents&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Red indian tents">edit</a>]</div> A bad category name on several counts: <ul><li>"Indian", if used, should be capitalized.</li> <li>"Red Indian" is archaic to the point of insulting. It's a term like "Negro", or worse. "Indian" itself is acceptable to many, even embraced by some (such as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Movement" class="extiw" title="en:American Indian Movement">American Indian Movement</a>, but we usually use "Native American", which is more broadly accepted.</li> <li>Most of these are <a href="/wiki/Category:Tipis" title="Category:Tipis">tipis</a> and should be recategorized as such</li> <li>As far as I can tell, those (two, I believe) that are not tipis are not actually tents; they are probably hogans or some such, and should be placed in some more appropriately named category, which may need to be created.</li></ul> Once that is dealt with, I think this poorly named category should go away. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-01T06:23:00.000Z-Category:Red_indian_tents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>At first i have to tell that my englisch is not very well so if you think that the names of the categories are not good please cange it. I made these categories with an old translation book and i have no problem if you make it better. I was very surprised how many pictures are now in the category tents and its sub categories. Thanks for your help --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ronaldino&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ronaldino (page does not exist)">Ronaldino</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Ronaldino-2007-07-01T06:55:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-01T06:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Sounds like category creator has no problem with the move & removal. I'll do the moves, but the removal has to be done by an administrator. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-02T03:42:00.000Z-Category:Red_indian_tents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd>Should they be kept as redirects or outright deleted? I prefer to keep redirect if there is a chance someone might try and recreate them if they don't exist. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pfctdayelise" title="User talk:Pfctdayelise">????</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-03T04:42:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-02T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>If there is a problem that the categories are recreated, they can be protected from creation like the Germany categories at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Notschrei/protected_pages&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Notschrei/protected pages (page does not exist)">User:Notschrei/protected pages</a>. /<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:90.229.135.239&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:90.229.135.239 (page does not exist)">90.229.135.239</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-90.229.135.239-2007-07-03T11:14:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-03T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Given the miscapitalization in the old name, there seems to me to be almost no chance of recreation. Ditto for the next one. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-05T19:08:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-03T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> (BTW - if a category is empty, putting a tag on it like {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Speedy" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Speedy">speedy</a>|empty, badly named - correct name is Foo}} usually gets it deleted pretty quickly.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pfctdayelise" title="User talk:Pfctdayelise">????</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-06T02:30:00.000Z-Category:Red_indian_tents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Red_indians" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Red_indians-2007-07-01T06:26:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Red_indians&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Red indians (page does not exist)">Category:Red indians</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Red_indians&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Red indians">edit</a>]</div> Similar problems to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Red_indian_tents&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Red indian tents (page does not exist)">Category:Red indian tents</a>, discussed above. That category is the only member of this otherwise empty category. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-01T06:26:00.000Z-Category:Red_indians" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Similar to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Red_indian_tents&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Red indian tents (page does not exist)">Category:Red indian tents</a>, discussed above. Thanks for your help --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ronaldino&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ronaldino (page does not exist)">Ronaldino</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Ronaldino-2007-07-01T07:00:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-01T06:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Sounds like category creator has no problem with the removal. I can't do this, it has to be done by an administrator. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-02T03:42:00.000Z-Category:Red_indians" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> <a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pfctdayelise" title="User talk:Pfctdayelise">????</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-06T02:30:00.000Z-Category:Red_indians" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Language-2007-07-01T15:39:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Language" title="Category:Language">Category:Language</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Language&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Language">edit</a>]</div> Currently both <a href="/wiki/Category:Language" title="Category:Language">Category:Language</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Languages" title="Category:Languages">Category:Languages</a> exist and both are heavily used. According to the current structure only the plural form should be used. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-01T15:39:00.000Z-Category:Language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_keep_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a> Keep --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-02T11:51:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-01T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I think both categories should be kept. The plural category should be for specific languages. And the singular category for things that are related to language, but are not languages or related to a specific language. /<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:90.229.135.239&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:90.229.135.239 (page does not exist)">90.229.135.239</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-90.229.135.239-2007-07-02T15:40:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-01T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Juiced Lemon, what is it that you oppose? Merging them, or using the plural form or the existence of any of the categories?</dd> <dd>90.229.135.239, if that is indeed how the two categories are meant to be used then explanatory texts and perhaps a renaming to something clarifying this would be good. But from that point of view I can see why two categories would be needed. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-02T16:29:00.000Z-90.229.135.239-2007-07-02T15:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I changed from “oppose” to “keep” for clarity. You didn't properly explain your intentions, so it was difficult to criticize them. I think that User:90.229.135.239 comments are pertinent. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-02T17:37:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-02T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't claim that usage of en: is binding, but it is perhaps suggestive that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Language" class="extiw" title="en:Category:Language">en:Category:Language</a> contains <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Languages" class="extiw" title="en:Category:Languages">en:Category:Languages</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Man_vyi" title="User:Man vyi">Man vyi</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Man_vyi-2007-07-02T19:48:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-02T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>I think we need to keep this distinction. The concept of a language in general (Language, singular) is different to details about any specific language (subcat under Languages, plural). 'Language' is very abstract whereas 'Languages' content will be much more specific, but the fact that they're both filled -- with distinct contents -- seems to show that other people make this same distinction. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pfctdayelise" title="User talk:Pfctdayelise">说什么?</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-03T04:41:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-01T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>OK, makes sense. I've added a comment on Category:Language so that other people (like me) will know. —the preceding <a href="/wiki/Commons:Talk_page_guidelines#Markup" title="Commons:Talk page guidelines">unsigned</a> comment is by <a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal Profil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-10T15:32:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2007-07-03T04:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce-2007-07-01T15:49:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce" title="Category:Mapy diecezji rzymskokatolickich w Polsce">Category:Mapy diecezji rzymskokatolickich w Polsce</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Mapy diecezji rzymskokatolickich w Polsce">edit</a>]</div> Categories should be in English unless there are special circumstances. I've got no clue on how to translate this though. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-01T15:49:00.000Z-Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It means: "Maps of roman-catholic diocesies in Poland". <a href="/wiki/User:Ejdzej" title="User:Ejdzej">A.J.</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Ejdzej-2007-07-01T18:56:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-01T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks. I've added a category redirect to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Maps_of_roman-catholic_diocesies_in_Poland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Maps of roman-catholic diocesies in Poland (page does not exist)">Category:Maps of roman-catholic diocesies in Poland</a>. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-02T16:24:00.000Z-Ejdzej-2007-07-01T18:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The spelling 'dioceses' is given on Wiktionary and used in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese" class="extiw" title="w:Diocese">w:Diocese</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:William_Avery" title="User:William Avery">William Avery</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-William_Avery-2007-07-03T12:14:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-02T16:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>True, the category has been renamed to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Maps_of_roman-catholic_dioceses_in_Poland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Maps of roman-catholic dioceses in Poland (page does not exist)">Category:Maps of roman-catholic dioceses in Poland</a>. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-03T14:15:00.000Z-William_Avery-2007-07-03T12:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hate to say it, but "Roman Catholic" is always capitalized in English, and even when used as an adjective it is not usually hyphenated. Hence, this really should be <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_in_Poland" title="Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses in Poland">Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses in Poland</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-05T19:11:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-03T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>English capitalisation remains one of the great mysteries to me. To learn from further previous misstakes lets let this last suggestion lie here for a while before we create it and if no one corrects-comments we'll create that category instead and <a href="/wiki/Template:Bad_name" title="Template:Bad name">{{Bad name}}</a> the previous one./<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T23:51:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-05T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I disagree with the <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> proposal, because the standard form is “SUBDIVISION of COUNTRY”. So, I propose <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Maps_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_of_Poland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses of Poland (page does not exist)">Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses of Poland</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T23:38:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> (unindent) In English "Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses of Poland" can sound like they are official state churches of Poland. As in "the official church of Poland." I prefer "Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses in Poland". See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England" class="extiw" title="w:Church of England">w:Church of England</a>. It says <dl><dd>The British monarch (at present, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom" class="extiw" title="w:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom">Elizabeth II</a>), has the constitutional title of "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Governor_of_the_Church_of_England" class="extiw" title="w:Supreme Governor of the Church of England">Supreme Governor of the Church of England</a>"; the Canons of the Church of England state, "We acknowledge that the Queen’s excellent Majesty, acting according to the laws of the realm, is the highest power under God in this kingdom, and has supreme authority over all persons in all causes, as well ecclesiastical as civil".</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The Church of England has a legislative body, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Synod_of_the_Church_of_England" class="extiw" title="w:General Synod of the Church of England">General Synod</a>. Measures of Synod have to be approved but cannot be amended by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom" class="extiw" title="w:Parliament of the United Kingdom">UK Parliament</a> before receiving the Royal Assent and becoming part of the law of England. The church has its own judicial branch, known as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_courts" class="extiw" title="w:Ecclesiastical courts">Ecclesiastical courts</a>, which likewise form a part of the UK court system, and have powers especially in relation to the care of churches and churchyards and the discipline of the clergy.</dd></dl> So since there are official churches of countries it is important to use clearer English concerning Polish church categories. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T23:55:00.000Z-Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] Use English. This is an international project.--<a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus">Talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Piotrus-2007-08-21T20:20:00.000Z-Category:Mapy_diecezji_rzymskokatolickich_w_Polsce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A category name that's clearly wrong has now been standing for quite a while. I have <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands#Category:Maps_of_roman-catholic_dioceses_in_Poland" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">requested</a> a rename to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_in_Poland" title="Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses in Poland">Category:Maps of Roman Catholic dioceses in Poland</a>, which seems uncontroversial to me. When it's done, we can finally close this thread. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-10-26T12:46:00.000Z-Piotrus-2007-08-21T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)-2007-07-04T11:27:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Circle" title="Category:Circle">Category:Circle</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Circles (Geometry) (page does not exist)">Category:Circles (Geometry)</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Circle, Category:Circles and Category:Circles (Geometry)">edit</a>]</div> The circles categories are a bit of a mess at the moment. What I cannot fathom is what purpose the category circle is serving that isn't served by either circles or circles (geometry). Therefore I propose <ol><li>moving the geometry-related circles up to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Circles (Geometry) (page does not exist)">Category:Circles (Geometry)</a></li> <li>moving the plain circles to a new category Plain circles which resides under <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a></li> <li>moving the remaining circles to <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a></li> <li>putting a <a href="/wiki/Template:Category_redirect" title="Template:Category redirect">category redirect</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Circle" title="Category:Circle">Category:Circle</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a></li></ol> Is there anything that speaks against this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-04T11:27:00.000Z-Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sounds good, but I'm not sure if there really is a need for a category plain circles, couldn't we just put those in <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-04T12:39:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-04T11:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't really have strong feelings regarding such a category. I think it might make plain circles easier to find, but it's not a must-have. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-04T13:11:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-04T12:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Generally sounds fine, I can see it would be good to have a category to put all those coloured rings in (simple svg circles of different colours) but I don't think 'plain circles' is quite right. Maybe also a category "Concentric rings" to match the page <a href="/w/index.php?title=Concentric_rings&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Concentric rings (page does not exist)">Concentric rings</a>.</dd> <dd>I don't understand what <a href="/w/index.php?title=Just_so_circles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Just so circles (page does not exist)">Just so circles</a> is for, but then that's not a category ... --<a href="/wiki/User:Tony_Wills" title="User:Tony Wills">Tony Wills</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Tony_Wills-2007-07-04T13:29:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-04T11:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Just_so_circles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Just so circles (page does not exist)">Just so circles</a> has been requested deleted by me. <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-11T12:37:00.000Z-Tony_Wills-2007-07-04T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a> is quite interesting as well. For the moment, let's keep to <a href="/wiki/Category:Circle" title="Category:Circle">Category:Circle</a> - it's too easy to get side-tracked. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-04T13:51:00.000Z-Tony_Wills-2007-07-04T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I will not have serious objections against a category for plain or simple circle-illustrations, but I wonder if it would not be better to leave them in/move them to <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">category:circles</a>, and make them easy accesible via a gallerypage. I started making one, <a href="/wiki/Plain_circles" class="mw-redirect" title="Plain circles">plain circles</a>, but decided to wait with the rest until it's decided whether there should be a separate category for them (in which case there would be no need for a gallery... ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-04T18:30:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-04T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Circles (Geometry) (page does not exist)">Category:Circles (Geometry)</a> would be renamed (and splitted), because:</dd> <dd>1. It is misspelled: (geometry), not (Geometry)</dd> <dd>2. An extra name between parenthesis is usally for disambiguation, but there is nothing to disambiguate</dd> <dd>3. This category contains geometrical figures and, in my opinion, “to show a circle” is not a pertinent feature in order to properly categorize geometric figures. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-04T19:32:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-04T18:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>As for 1.: you're right of course, but I really wanted to fix circle first. 2. Well, yes there is. Anything with a circular form can be in the category circles, for example <a href="/wiki/File:Circle_of_fifths2.svg" title="File:Circle of fifths2.svg">something like this</a>. An image <a href="/wiki/File:CIRCLE_LINES.svg" class="mw-redirect" title="File:CIRCLE LINES.svg">like this</a>, on the other hand is about the geometric properties of a circle - it's therefore rightfully in the category Circles (geometry). Of course there is no need to separate these, but it is a natural way, I think, of diffusing the category. 3. That might be something to argue about, but I think in the example I gave it is quite a pertinent feature that this image contains a circle. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-04T21:37:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-04T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Summary_and_vote" data-mw-thread-id="h-Summary_and_vote-Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z">Summary and vote</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Summary and vote">edit</a>]</div> Ok, I've summarized the positions so far, you may vote here if you wish. I hope this gets the discussion a bit organized. For the other issues, it might be best to start under a new heading. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z-Summary_and_vote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Clear_Category:Circle_by_moving_to_appropriate_other_categories,_mainly_Category:Circles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clear_Category:Circle_by_moving_to_appropriate_other_categories,_mainly_Category-Summary_and_vote-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z">Clear <a href="/wiki/Category:Circle" title="Category:Circle">Category:Circle</a> by moving to appropriate other categories, mainly <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a></h5>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: Clear Category:Circle by moving to appropriate other categories, mainly Category:Circles">edit</a>]</div> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> The name should be <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a>, by convention. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z-Clear_Category:Circle_by_moving_to_appropriate_other_categories,_mainly_Category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi>, I have placed a category redirect as well.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Create_a_category/gallery_Plain_circles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Create_a_category/gallery_Plain_circles-Summary_and_vote-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z">Create a category/gallery Plain circles</h5>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: Create a category/gallery Plain circles">edit</a>]</div> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> Gallery. If plain circles are what you are looking for, you should be given an easy way to find them. After some thinking I prefer a gallery, because it can group the circles by colour/structure/anything. I cannot think of a better name, but go ahead if you know one.--<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z-Create_a_category/gallery_Plain_circles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> this seemed uncontroversial, so I finished the <a href="/wiki/Plain_circles" class="mw-redirect" title="Plain circles">gallery</a>, and moved the images into circles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-10T15:54:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Rename_Category:Circles_(Geometry)_to_Category:Circle_geometry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rename_Category:Circles_(Geometry)_to_Category:Circle_geometry-Summary_and_vote-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z">Rename <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Circles (Geometry) (page does not exist)">Category:Circles (Geometry)</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Circle_geometry" title="Category:Circle geometry">Category:Circle geometry</a></h5>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Circle,_Category:Circles_and_Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: Rename Category:Circles (Geometry) to Category:Circle geometry">edit</a>]</div> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> The name as it is now, as <a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">User:Juiced lemon</a> pointed out, is not very good. I propose the name above, in correspondence to <a href="/wiki/Category:Triangle_geometry" title="Category:Triangle geometry">Category:Triangle geometry</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z-Rename_Category:Circles_(Geometry)_to_Category:Circle_geometry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, I missed this summary before. I believe we should go through with the three suggestions above, and I'm willing to take responsibility for expanding that gallerypage I started. I'm not going to vote, however, since I belive this is a matter that could (and should) be resolved by consent, and not by voting. If there were two distinctly different alternatives voting might be "the last way out", I don't believe that's the case here :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:24:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure, there is no kind of process yet for CFDs on commons. I thought a "vote" might be a good way to make the different points of view clearer. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-08T13:48:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Having had another look I find I now see the point of having a category:plain circles as well, they're now easy available in the gallery (thank you rimshot!) and are just confusing category:circles... Sorry for speaking against this initially :-( <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-10T22:30:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-08T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Go ahead and create the category, then ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-11T11:08:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-10T22:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-11T12:34:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-11T11:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I think that “Geometric study of the circle” is a pertinent subject for a Commons category. OK to name it <a href="/wiki/Category:Circle_geometry" title="Category:Circle geometry">Category:Circle geometry</a>. That needs some selection in <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Circles_(Geometry)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Circles (Geometry) (page does not exist)">Category:Circles (Geometry)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-11T11:45:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-11T11:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Started: I've moved the subcategories and pages, and placed a category redirect. A number of images still need to be moved. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-11T12:38:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-06T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi>, took me some time as I had to create some new categories on the way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-26T11:33:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-11T12:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland-2007-07-05T00:43:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Soccer_in_England&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Soccer in England (page does not exist)">Category:Soccer in England</a> & <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Soccer in Scotland (page does not exist)">Category:Soccer in Scotland</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Soccer in England & Category:Soccer in Scotland">edit</a>]</div> These should be moved to <a href="/wiki/Category:Football_in_England" title="Category:Football in England">Category:Football in England</a> & <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Football_in_Scotland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Football in Scotland (page does not exist)">Category:Football in Scotland</a>. The term soccer is almost unheard of in these countries. Likewise any subcategories of these categories that use the term soccer should also be moved. —<a href="/wiki/User:JeremyA" title="User:JeremyA">JeremyA</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-JeremyA-2007-07-05T00:43:00.000Z-Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] [[Category:Commons backlog]] <dl><dd>You can't change just those two categories since they are part of the <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Category:Soccer</a>-tree. Either they are all socer or they are all something else. Since <a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Category:Football</a> is a supercategory for both American football, soccer and other "football sports" the only other alternative to soccer would be association football. As far as I understood that had even less support then soccer so therefore <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Category:Soccer</a> it is. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:33:00.000Z-Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Correction there are <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=Football&namespace=14">some categories</a> with the Football prefix. These should probably be changed to Soccer and American football accordingly. Specifically <a href="/wiki/Category:Football_venues" title="Category:Football venues">Category:Football venues</a> (a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:American_football" title="Category:American football">American football</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Stadiums_in_the_United_States" title="Category:Stadiums in the United States">Category:Stadiums in the United States</a>) is problematic. I recommend changing that to <a href="/wiki/Category:American_football_venues_in_the_United_States" title="Category:American football venues in the United States">Category:American football venues in the United States</a> since the current name indicates neither country nor specific sport. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:39:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And going the other direction the subcategories of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Soccer_uniforms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Soccer uniforms (page does not exist)">Category:Soccer uniforms</a> should be Soccer uniforms from COUNTRY. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:43:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>OK, have put down a series of move templates to the affected categories all pointing to this disscusion/monolog. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-10T15:52:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:JeremyA" title="User:JeremyA">JeremyA</a> however. Soccer is not a word used in England or any other part of the world except in the United States. The correct term is "Football in England". If you want to talk about American football, then a category could be named "American football in England". I have problems changing every category to "Soccer something" simply because that is the American term, however not the term used in Britain. <a href="/wiki/User:Gryffindor" title="User:Gryffindor">Gryffindor</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Gryffindor-2007-08-06T22:17:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-10T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If you take a look at <a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Category:Football</a> you'll see that football can be any of 6 sports. The alternative to "soccer" would be "association football" so I'd say soccer is the lesser of two evils. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-07T00:01:00.000Z-Gryffindor-2007-08-06T22:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Copied here from <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Objection: Soccer is an American English term that is not used in Britain or in France or Germany. I don't think there is a disambiguation clash, since "Football something X" in the European frame clearly refers to "Soccer" and not anything else. <a href="/wiki/User:Gryffindor" title="User:Gryffindor">Gryffindor</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Gryffindor-2007-08-06T22:19:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-05T01:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Currently, <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Category:Soccer</a> (and its substructure) is for association football. I personally disagree with the use of this American English term. But, I disagree also with the infraction to the Universality principle (see <a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">Commons:Naming categories</a>). So, if you want to maintain your position, open a discussion about the renaming of <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Category:Soccer</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-06T22:30:00.000Z-Gryffindor-2007-08-06T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think we can all agree that <a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Category:football</a> should be a topcategory for all types of football (there are more than two) anything else would lead to World War 3. So then the choice is "Association football" or "soccer", I believe that more people (non-american and american) would recoignise soccer then association football. Anyhow as long as the top category is soccer the subcategories should be called the same thing, the same thing goes for the "American football" subcategories. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-06T23:58:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-06T22:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>How about we leave all categories concerning (Association) football in the United States under the term "Soccer X" such as "Soccer venues in the United States", and the rest of the world with "Football X"? In the English Wikipedia they came up with a solution "Football (Soccer)". Maybe not the best solution but at least it's still a compromise. I think the overarching category <a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Category:Football</a> can remain as it is, since it concerns all forms. "Association Football" is not a good idea IMO because let's face it nobody uses that term in the general sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Gryffindor" title="User:Gryffindor">Gryffindor</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Gryffindor-2007-08-08T14:57:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-06T23:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm very much against changing the category name depending on where the stadium is placed. Anyhow lets continue the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Current_requests/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Current requests/2007/07/Category:Soccer in England & Category:Soccer in Scotland">Commons:Categories for discussion/Current requests/2007/07/Category:Soccer in England & Category:Soccer in Scotland</a> instead. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-08T22:15:00.000Z-Gryffindor-2007-08-08T14:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well we agree to let the category "Football" alone. Now we have to find a proper name instead of "Soccer" in that case. So I think we should just cut the gordian knot and have it as "Football (Soccer)" since that has been chewed over in the English Wikipedia more than enough and that's what the consensus was over there. <a href="/wiki/User:Gryffindor" title="User:Gryffindor">Gryffindor</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Gryffindor-2007-08-08T22:33:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-08T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I understand the need to change from "soccer" to "football" for the non-U.S. countries, but to change "football" to "American football" for the United States is similarly wrong. Just like the rest of the world doesn't call it soccer, we in the states don't call it American football - it's just football. In the case of college football, where the reference is clearly most common to the system involving American football, a notice can be placed similar to the one on the category at the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:College_football_venues" class="extiw" title="en:Category:College football venues">English Wikipedia</a>. It may not be the prettiest category structure, but it's currently downright wrong. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fuzzy510" title="User:Fuzzy510">Fuzzy510</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Fuzzy510-2007-08-13T22:57:00.000Z-Gryffindor-2007-08-08T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The heading of this discussion might currently be slightly missleading. We're no longer talking about changing soccer to football, it's about changing all the subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Soccer</a> with football in their name and similar for the subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:American_football" title="Category:American football">American football</a>. Additionally there is also a discussion about an alternative naming of the Soccer category-tree (but not just football). /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-18T13:05:00.000Z-Fuzzy510-2007-08-13T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> The English Wikipedia article is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(soccer)" class="extiw" title="w:Football (soccer)">Football (soccer)</a>. “Football (soccer)” is not handy to build compound names, like Football (soccer) in England. Since the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA" class="extiw" title="w:FIFA">FIFA</a> is the International Federation of Football Association, I think that the best solution is to build a structure from <a href="/wiki/Category:Association_football" title="Category:Association football">Category:Association football</a>, like <a href="/wiki/Category:Association_football_in_England" title="Category:Association football in England">Category:Association football in England</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-18T14:41:00.000Z-Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] We have two options: either have "American Football" and "Association Football", or leave "Football" for both American and European categories, which is potentially confusing though. <a href="/wiki/User:Gryffindor" title="User:Gryffindor">Gryffindor</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Gryffindor-2007-08-23T16:30:00.000Z-Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>We can also admit that American football is not really a football game, because the game is played with hands, too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-23T17:03:00.000Z-Gryffindor-2007-08-23T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>That is true too. So now what? <a href="/wiki/User:Gryffindor" title="User:Gryffindor">Gryffindor</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Gryffindor-2007-08-30T03:38:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-23T17:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> It was a joke. Unless we state a new definition, different than the one in the English Wikipedia, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/football" class="extiw" title="w:football">football</a> is the name given to a number of different team sports, including American football. According to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/38/S0523800.html">The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language</a> , the etymology of soccer is: From alteration of assoc., abbreviation of association football. “Soccer” is a specific term of the American language, which is not popular in an international context. So, I think that <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Category:Soccer</a> is unsuitable in Wikimedia Commons. In my opinion, we have 3 main alternatives for the renaming of this category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Football_(soccer)" title="Category:Football (soccer)">Category:football (soccer)</a>, according to the English Wikipedia article: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/football_(soccer)" class="extiw" title="w:football (soccer)">football (soccer)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Association_football" title="Category:Association football">Category:Association football</a>, the true name of the game</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Category:Football</a>, because Association football is a very popular game, so the word “association” is commonly ommitted, like in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C." class="extiw" title="w:Manchester United F.C.">Manchester United F.C.</a>. The current contents would be moved to Category:Football games or Category:Football sports</li></ul> Assuming that we apply the Universality principle (see <a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories#Principles" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">Commons:Naming categories#Principles</a>), the name of the parent category X will be used “as is” to build subcategory names, like “Category:X in England”. I suggest a poll to determine the choosed alternative. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-30T09:17:00.000Z-Category:Soccer_in_England_&_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Poll" data-mw-thread-id="h-Poll-2007-08-30T10:11:00.000Z">Poll</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Poll">edit</a>]</div> This poll aim to choose a name to refer to “association football” (see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/football_(soccer)" class="extiw" title="w:football (soccer)">football (soccer)</a>) in any category of the topics structure in Wikimedia Commons. <dl><dt>From</dt> <dd></dd></dl> September, 1st, 0:00 am <dl><dt>To</dt> <dd></dd></dl> September, 15th, 12:00 pm <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Alternatives" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alternatives-Poll-2007-08-30T10:11:00.000Z">Alternatives</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: Alternatives">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li>A. <a href="/wiki/Category:Soccer" title="Category:Soccer">Soccer</a></li> <li>B. <a href="/wiki/Category:Association_football" title="Category:Association football">Association football</a></li> <li>C. <a href="/wiki/Category:Football_(soccer)" title="Category:Football (soccer)">Football (soccer)</a></li> <li>D. <a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Football</a> and contents of current category moved to Category:Fooball games</li> <li>E. <a href="/wiki/Category:Football" title="Category:Football">Football</a> and contents of current category moved to Category:Fooball sports</li></ul> A valid vote is an ordered list of different alternatives (at least one alternative), amongst the alternatives which will be listed on September, 1st, 0:00 am. Examples of valid votes: <ul><li>A</li> <li>A,B,C,D</li></ul> There will be a votes count for each couple of alternatives. (A,B) is the number of times A is preferred to B. <ul><li>vote A means (A,B)=+1, (A,C)=+1 (A,D)=+1 (assuming there are 4 alternatives)</li> <li>vote A,B,C,D means (A,B)=+1, (A,C)=+1, (A,D)=+1, (B,C)=+1, (B,D)=+1, (C,D)=+1 (assuming there are 4 alternatives)</li></ul> This count will determine which alternative(s) is (are) preferred to all other ones. We will possibly decide between the remaining alternatives with a points count (1st place=1 point, 2nd place=2 points...): the alternative with the lowest total will be choosed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-30T10:11:00.000Z-Alternatives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Votes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Votes-Poll-2007-09-02T20:32:00.000Z">Votes</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: Votes">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li>B, A. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-09-02T20:32:00.000Z-Votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>A, B. <a href="/wiki/User:LtPowers" title="User:LtPowers">Powers</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-LtPowers-2007-09-05T20:20:00.000Z-Votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>D, E. <a href="/wiki/User:Lycaon" title="User:Lycaon">Lycaon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lycaon-2007-09-05T20:27:00.000Z-Votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>C, B, A <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-09-06T05:49:00.000Z-Votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>B, A --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-09-06T10:13:00.000Z-Votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>B, E, C, D --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-09-15T03:31:00.000Z-Votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Votes_count" data-mw-thread-id="h-Votes_count-Poll-2007-09-17T19:20:00.000Z">Votes count</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: Votes count">edit</a>]</div> <table align="right" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="6"> <tbody><tr align="center" bgcolor="#e0f0f8"> <td>-\+</td> <td>A</td> <td>B</td> <td>C</td> <td>D</td> <td>E </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <td bgcolor="#e0f0f8">a</td> <td> </td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>2 </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <td bgcolor="#e0f0f8">b</td> <td>1</td> <td> </td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>1 </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <td bgcolor="#e0f0f8">c</td> <td>3</td> <td>4</td> <td> </td> <td>1</td> <td>2 </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <td bgcolor="#e0f0f8">d</td> <td>4</td> <td>5</td> <td>2</td> <td> </td> <td>1 </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <td bgcolor="#e0f0f8">e</td> <td>4</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table> <ul><li>(B,A)=1 (B,C)=1 (B,D)=1 (B,E)=1 (A,C)=1 (A,D)=1 (A,E)=1</li> <li>(A,B)=1 (A,C)=1 (A,D)=1 (A,E)=1 (B,C)=1 (B,D)=1 (B,E)=1</li> <li>(D,E)=1 (D,A)=1 (D,B)=1 (D,C)=1 (E,A)=1 (E,B)=1 (E,C)=1</li> <li>(C,B)=1 (C,A)=1 (C,D)=1 (C,E)=1 (B,A)=1 (B,D)=1 (B,E)=1 (A,D)=1 (A,E)=1</li> <li>(B,A)=1 (B,C)=1 (B,D)=1 (B,E)=1 (A,C)=1 (A,D)=1 (A,E)=1</li> <li>(B,E)=1 (B,C)=1 (B,D)=1 (B,A)=1 (E,C)=1 (E,D)=1 (E,A)=1 (C,D)=1 (C,A)=1 (D,A)=1</li></ul> Result: Alternative B is preferred to any other alternative, so the categories related to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(soccer)" class="extiw" title="w:Football (soccer)">Football (soccer)</a> will be renamed according to the name of the top category: <a href="/wiki/Category:Association_football" title="Category:Association football">Category:Association football</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-09-17T19:20:00.000Z-Votes_count" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-Poll-2007-08-30T16:04:00.000Z">Comments</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: Comments">edit</a>]</div> I think that alternative D should probably be crossed out for the sake of peace. Since the name can in fact mean a whole family of sports (and is currently the category for this family) or any of the sports therin depending on in which country one is. All the other three names would however be unique for the sport in question. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-30T16:04:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>All the alternatives, except one, will be crossed out after the votes count. Anybody can add his own alternative, and the bad ones will be censored by the voters. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-30T18:52:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-30T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, but renaming a few hundred categories, claiming consensus with 5 voters and a very complex voting system does not do the trick for me. I will not process the requests on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a> and have moved them to <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/soccer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/soccer (page does not exist)">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/soccer</a> leaving only a link in one topic on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a>. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Siebrand" title="User talk:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-09-25T09:37:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-08-30T18:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Although I might have a preference I don't care which of the names the category tree goes under the main thing is that we pick one and stick with it because the current structure isn't sustainable. Currently the main category is called Soccer but within it are lots of subcategories starting with Football, to add to this confusion <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Soprani&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Soprani (page does not exist)">Soprani</a> has now added the category Football (soccer) and is slowly migrating subcategories Soccer to this name. Similarly within American football there are lots of subcategories starting with Football.</dd> <dd>Now when I tried to request renaming of subcategories to the current (at that point) standard (i.e. Soccer and American football) that was stopped. Similarly after an new attempt to make the structure uniform (now under the name Association football) that was also stopped. So rather then just stopping the structuring come with useful advice on how you think the situation might best be resolved because if nothing is done this category tree is going to become even more caotic. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-09-27T22:41:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-09-25T09:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I second that. Something must be done and this vote, however few people took part in it, is all that we have at the moment. I think that most people do not have a very strong opinion on the name of the categories, as long as the categories are consistently named. If Siebrand isn't going to add them to <a href="/wiki/User:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User:CommonsDelinker/commands">User:CommonsDelinker/commands</a>, where can we find an admin who will? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-09-29T17:11:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-09-27T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>I was about to process the requests until I saw the massive amount of "soccer this" and "soccer that" categories that need to be moved. To me, they tell of a consensus far greater than what was the result of this voting.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Hmmm... what would be the result of this poll if I changed my vote to C, A, B? <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-09-29T17:49:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-08-30T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The B-A cell would drop to 3 and the A-B cell would rise to 2. <a href="/wiki/User:LtPowers" title="User:LtPowers">Powers</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-LtPowers-2007-09-30T15:55:00.000Z-Samulili-2007-09-29T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>...with the same result. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-10-03T20:16:00.000Z-LtPowers-2007-09-30T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Vote" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vote-2007-10-25T17:37:00.000Z">Vote</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Soccer_in_England_%26_Category:Soccer_in_Scotland&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: Vote">edit</a>]</div> There should be a real vote, in which over 20 people would participate, that is announced properly, to decide which name is best. The above listed vote included only 5 voters, and for now there is no solution accepted. <a href="/wiki/User:Migdejong" title="User:Migdejong">Migdejong</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Migdejong-2007-10-25T17:37:00.000Z-Vote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You're right.</dd> <dd>I wanted to vote for E, but after 5 votes we should stop voting, shouldn't we? <a href="/wiki/User:Rubietje88" title="User:Rubietje88">Rubietje88</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rubietje88-2007-10-25T17:49:00.000Z-Migdejong-2007-10-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well, I would've voted E, D, C, but I must admit I do not understand the voting process completely. Should we have a new vote, perhaps accounting for the votes previously added? <a href="/wiki/User:Migdejong" title="User:Migdejong">Migdejong</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Migdejong-2007-10-25T18:48:00.000Z-Rubietje88-2007-10-25T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You don't give grounds to that. If anybody could block any decision for specious reasons, that would lead to a terrible mess, since nobody will care to take part in votings which would be ineffective. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-10-25T19:36:00.000Z-Migdejong-2007-10-25T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well, as you can see above, the results were not accepted, due to the fact only 6 voters showed up. If you have more voters you can finally fix this issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Migdejong" title="User:Migdejong">Migdejong</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Migdejong-2007-10-25T19:43:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-10-25T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Most decisions are taken and have been taken without any poll. In some cases, the decision is made by a single user, when nobody has opposed. Organize a poll is not mandatory, that is just an easy way to collect opinions from other users who have not taken part in the discussion. There is no rule stating that a minimal participation is requested to valid the result of the poll (this is not an election), and such rule would be currently a nonsense.</dd> <dd>This vote has been accepted, but the decision is not yet fully implemented. A new vote will not change anything to this situation. More, you cannot guess neither the future number of voters, nor the “requested” (by whom?) number.</dd> <dd>Notice that the poll in this page is definitly closed, and that the votes cannot be reused for any purpose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-10-25T20:18:00.000Z-Migdejong-2007-10-25T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Well I'll just have to start another poll then. You seem very dedicated to a poll that is not accepted by anyone, due to low numbers. Remeber there are no rules, whatsoever, for anything. But to change 200+ cats, there needs to be some acceptible compromise or a clear vote. Apparently 6 voters are not enough. 20 should be. <a href="/wiki/User:Migdejong" title="User:Migdejong">Migdejong</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Migdejong-2007-10-25T20:56:00.000Z-Vote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Who have told you this poll is not accepted by anyone? The only person who refused to implement the result of the voting? Six voters for only 200 categories is an exceptionnaly high ratio. We have already changed several thousands of categories as a result of a single decision, without poll, with 2 users again a third one. This poll is perfectly valid and its result is lawful. A new poll about the same subject would be very questionable. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-10-25T21:44:00.000Z-Migdejong-2007-10-25T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>A You <dl><dd>Well, what happened to implementatin then? <a href="/wiki/User:Migdejong" title="User:Migdejong">Migdejong</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Migdejong-2007-10-28T19:40:00.000Z-Migdejong-2007-10-25T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>My guess is that no-one accepted to implement it on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a> leaving this particular category tree almost as bad as before. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-11-17T02:11:00.000Z-Migdejong-2007-10-28T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> Moved to Association football --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-12-30T11:20:00.000Z-Vote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Historical_Markers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Historical_Markers-2007-07-05T19:27:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Historical_Markers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Historical Markers (page does not exist)">Category:Historical Markers</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Historical_Markers&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Historical Markers">edit</a>]</div> Is there any reason at all that this isn't <a href="/wiki/Category:Historical_markers" title="Category:Historical markers">Category:Historical markers</a>? I notice that there is exactly one item in the latter, which is not hooked into the category tree, but it's the one that follows our naming rules. Can we just get a bot on this? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-05T19:27:00.000Z-Category:Historical_Markers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've added a move templates (pointing here) to it and the similarly named subcategories. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-10T15:56:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-05T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Seeing no objection, I've made a request at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Bots/Requests#Three_categories_to_move" title="Commons:Bots/Requests">Commons:Bots/Requests#Three categories to move</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-16T05:55:00.000Z-Category:Historical_Markers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] Which is apparently the wrong place to ask for this. They sent me to <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a>. Is there some central place to get a list of where one makes requests for various administrative actions? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-18T02:01:00.000Z-Category:Historical_Markers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] I have some additional requests for cat renames based on this request. If this is a clear reason for the capitalisation that is currently used, please explain why. <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-18T07:00:00.000Z-Category:Historical_Markers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Canada_National_Historic_Sites" title="Category:Canada National Historic Sites">Category:Canada National Historic Sites</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:National_historic_sites_of_Canada" title="Category:National historic sites of Canada">Category:National historic sites of Canada</a> (0 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Canada National Historic Sites;National historic sites of Canada;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Historic_Sites_Schleswig-Holstein" title="Category:Historic Sites Schleswig-Holstein">Category:Historic Sites Schleswig-Holstein</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Schleswig-Holstein" title="Category:History of Schleswig-Holstein">Category:History of Schleswig-Holstein</a> (430 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Historic Sites Schleswig-Holstein;History of Schleswig-Holstein;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:National_Historic_Sites_of_the_United_States" title="Category:National Historic Sites of the United States">Category:National Historic Sites of the United States</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:National_historic_sites_of_the_United_States" title="Category:National historic sites of the United States">Category:National historic sites of the United States</a> (0 entries moved, 82 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. National Historic Sites of the United States;National historic sites of the United States;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:State_Historic_Sites_of_the_United_States&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:State Historic Sites of the United States (page does not exist)">Category:State Historic Sites of the United States</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Historic_sites_of_states_of_the_United_States&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Historic sites of states of the United States (page does not exist)">Category:Historic sites of states of the United States</a> (0 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. State Historic Sites of the United States;Historic sites of states of the United States;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>My proposals:</dd> <dd>1. Category:National historic sites of Canada (designations by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_the_Environment_(Canada)" class="extiw" title="w:Minister of the Environment (Canada)">Minister of the Environment (Canada)</a>)</dd> <dd>2. <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Schleswig-Holstein" title="Category:History of Schleswig-Holstein">Category:History of Schleswig-Holstein</a> (not only historic sites)</dd> <dd>3. Category:National historic sites of the United States (designations by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places" class="extiw" title="w:National Register of Historic Places">National Register of Historic Places</a>, Federal government of the United States)</dd> <dd>4. Please, clean this category, since most pictures have to be categorized only in <a href="/wiki/Category:Poplar_Forest" title="Category:Poplar Forest">Category:Poplar Forest</a>. After this operation, I'll consider the deletion of the category. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-18T11:15:00.000Z-Category:Historical_Markers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>National Historic Sites is a proper noun, at least in the US. I can't speak for other countries. So I'd leave it capitalized. ++<a href="/wiki/User:Lar" title="User:Lar">Lar</a>: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lar" title="User talk:Lar">t</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lar" title="Special:Contributions/Lar">c</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lar-2007-07-18T12:42:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-18T11:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>2 of my proposals are grounded on the spelling of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_historic_sites_of_Canada" class="extiw" title="w:List of national historic sites of Canada">List of national historic sites of Canada</a>. A proper name usually point to an unique entity. Plural for proper names is odd, in my opinion. In the other hand, you can still have plural in a proper name, like National Register of Historic Places, but it is an unique organization. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-18T15:12:00.000Z-Lar-2007-07-18T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The first three will be moved now. Please rephrase what you like done to the fourth. I'm not sure I understand. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-19T07:27:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-18T15:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poplar_Forest" class="extiw" title="w:Poplar Forest">Poplar Forest</a> is a “Registered Historic Place”, and is located in Virginia. “Registered Historic Place” is an United States label which is granted by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places" class="extiw" title="w:National Register of Historic Places">National Register of Historic Places</a>.</dd> <dd>In my opinion, State Historic Sites of the United States is a wrong category name, because you can interpret it as a category for historical sites registered by a state institution. I didn't find such state institutions. Since this category is an erroneous concept, it's useless to rename it unless we can find an appropriate subject.</dd> <dd>According to the contents, the more appropriate subject is <a href="/wiki/Category:Poplar_Forest" title="Category:Poplar Forest">Category:Poplar Forest</a>. So, remove the Poplar Forest pictures which are already categorized in <a href="/wiki/Category:Poplar_Forest" title="Category:Poplar Forest">Category:Poplar Forest</a>, and move the others. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-19T09:30:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-19T07:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, OK, I understand. <img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi>. Cheers! P.s. please take a look at the cats to be renamed in the topic at the bottom of this page. <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-19T10:34:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-19T09:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Maps_by_theme" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Maps_by_theme-2007-07-06T15:56:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Maps_by_theme&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Maps by theme">edit</a>]</div> This category is a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. This category, <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a>, adds nothing. It just confuses people going to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. I believe that <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> should be eliminated, and its contents recategorized to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a> is where stuff is supposed to be organized by theme. Many people go to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a> to try to get an overall picture of the map categories. They may not even notice <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a>. I didn't at first. So I missed many of the available map categories. <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> is a form of over-categorization. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T15:56:00.000Z-Category:Maps_by_theme" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The reason for why I think <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> is a suitable subcategory is because when it comes to maps the main subdivision is by geography. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-06T16:07:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>All the map categories in both <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> are geographically based. I checked them all. Non-geographically-based maps have been removed. They are linked from a note at the top of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. It says</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This category's subcategories are for geographical maps. For other types of maps, such as mathematical mappings, please use another category, such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Architectural_plans" title="Category:Architectural plans">Category:Architectural plans</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Diagrams" title="Category:Diagrams">Category:Diagrams</a>. For genealogical maps see: <a href="/wiki/Category:Genealogical_maps" title="Category:Genealogical maps">Category:Genealogical maps</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Since <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> is just more geographically-based map categories it is very confusing. And why did you do <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AMaps_showing_history&diff=6426749&oldid=6233353">this</a>. History maps are a common geographically-based map subcategory. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Egypt" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Maps of Egypt">w:Category:Maps of Egypt</a> for example. It has a history map subcategory.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_of_the_Middle_East" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Maps of the Middle East">w:Category:Maps of the Middle East</a>. It has a history map subcategory. See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Maps">w:Category:Maps</a>. It also has a history map subcategory. So at all levels history maps are an integral top-level subcategory.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I categorize a lot of maps. Please note the subcategory system at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Maps">w:Category:Maps</a>. It does not have a "Maps by theme" category. It just puts all the themes (topics) at the top level, and then subdivides from there. It makes a lot more intuitive sense. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T16:58:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-06T16:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Sorry I was a bit uclear. Obviously all of the maps in the category are geographical maps. What I meant was that the main subdivision is by geographical subdivision i.e. Maps by continent, Maps by cities, etc. The by theme maps are different in that they present mor then mere geographical information.</dd> <dd>Also not that the en.wiki maps category also doesen't have Maps by cartographer, Maps by century made, Maps by century shown, Maps by language, etc. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-06T17:33:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Please see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography" class="extiw" title="w:Geography">w:Geography</a>. Geography covers much more than borders, boundaries, and topography. All the topics covered by <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> are also geographical categories. Follow <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Geography" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Geography">w:Category:Geography</a> down the subcategory tree, and see the vast territory covered by the name "geography".</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>For example; history maps are oftentimes just old mappings of borders and cities. They would come under your more narrow categorization for geographical maps. But some of the history maps have battles marked, etc.. So how does one categorize history maps, then? At the top level <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>, or by the history theme? How do we categorize Maps by century made, Maps by century shown, etc.. Those are also on the history theme.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>They are currently categorized under <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. See the problem? If geography was a narrow category with a narrow definition, then I would agree with you concerning the need for <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a>. But it just adds another confusing layer.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Basically, you are using political geography at the top level. What about <a href="/wiki/Category:Climate_maps" title="Category:Climate maps">Category:Climate maps</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Religion_maps" title="Category:Religion maps">Category:Religion maps</a>? Those are also part of the broad definition of geography at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography" class="extiw" title="w:Geography">w:Geography</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T18:14:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-06T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> (Unindent) OK. I can see some benefits from having a "Maps by theme" category. As long as people know to look for it. I edited the introduction of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. Here is part of the current introduction: <dl><dd>This category's subcategories are for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography" class="extiw" title="w:Geography">geographically-based</a> maps. The top level categories are for basic geography maps of countries, cities, continents, regions, seas, etc..</dd></dl> <dl><dd>See the subcategory <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_by_theme" title="Category:Maps by theme">Category:Maps by theme</a> for many additional, geographically-based maps covering history, archaeology, economics, politics, military, battles, flags, linguistics, sports, religion, population, ethnography, geology, geographic features, bio-geography, fisheries, disease, topography, protected areas, site plans, transport, bridges, communications, celestial maps, time zones, weather, music, etc.. See also the <a href="/wiki/Atlas_index" title="Atlas index">Atlas index</a>. Atlases are organized and commented collections of geographical, political and historical maps. See also: <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures" title="Category:Satellite pictures">Category:Satellite pictures</a>.</dd></dl> So readers can now easily find any type of map. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-09T19:04:00.000Z-Category:Maps_by_theme" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd>Although the list of examples might be shortened down a bit I like the way you sorted it out. Especially with <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_geographical_features" title="Category:Maps of geographical features">Category:Maps of geographical features</a>. =) /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-10T15:23:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-09T19:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:SVG_maps" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:SVG_maps-2007-07-06T15:56:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:SVG_maps&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:SVG maps">edit</a>]</div> <a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">User:Juiced lemon</a> keeps removing <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a> from being a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. He also keeps removing the SVG map subcategories from the relevant map categories for nations, continents, regions, etc.. For example; <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> can be categorized in both <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_North_America" title="Category:SVG maps of North America">Category:SVG maps of North America</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T15:56:00.000Z-Category:SVG_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What's the reason for doing that?? I find it very helpful to be able to find SVG maps via the category system. But OK, I might have missed something - I'm new around here, so I'm willing to listen&learn ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-06T16:30:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I don't know why <a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">User:Juiced lemon</a> wants to remove SVG maps from the category system. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T17:27:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-06T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The reasoning (to which I have no opinion) is that <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">SVG maps</a> is part of the <a href="/wiki/Category:Media_types" title="Category:Media types">Media types</a> stem and <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Maps</a> is part of the <a href="/wiki/Category:Topics" title="Category:Topics">Topics</a> stem. /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lokal_Profil-2007-07-06T17:40:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T17:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> (Unindent). I think that is his reasoning, but I am not sure. <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories#Category_structure" title="Commons:Categories">Commons:Categories#Category structure</a> does not prevent an SVG map category from being categorized both by media type and topic. It says "All categories (except CommonsRoot) should be contained in at least one other category," Please also see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization#Categories_do_not_form_a_tree" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Categorization">w:Wikipedia:Categorization#Categories do not form a tree</a>. It says "each category can appear in more than one parent category." It says "it may be convenient to think of parts of the category graph as being like multiple overlapping trees." So <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> can be categorized in both <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_North_America" title="Category:SVG maps of North America">Category:SVG maps of North America</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-06T17:48:00.000Z-Category:SVG_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] Juiced Lemon continues to remove <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> from being a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a>. See: <ul><li><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico&action=history">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico&action=history</a></li></ul> 3 people have questioned that removal. See also: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juiced_lemon#SVG_maps_category" title="User talk:Juiced lemon">User talk:Juiced lemon#SVG maps category</a>. The 3 people who have questioned that removal at some point are: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">User:Lokal Profil</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">User:Timeshifter</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a></li></ul> In my opinion Juiced Lemon should have the courtesy to leave the categorization in place while it is being discussed. Since he is currently in the minority. It seems that this lack of courtesy is a habit. Juiced Lemon has been mentioned unfavorably many times at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems">Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T08:13:00.000Z-Category:SVG_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories#Category_structure" title="Commons:Categories">Commons:Categories#Category structure</a> stipulates that the category structure is divided in: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Commons" title="Category:Commons">Category:Commons</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Image_sources" title="Category:Image sources">Category:Image sources</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Copyright_statuses" title="Category:Copyright statuses">Category:Copyright statuses</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Media_types" title="Category:Media types">Category:Media types</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Topics" title="Category:Topics">Category:Topics</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:User" title="Category:User">Category:User</a></li></ul> “Divided” involves that you may not interconnect these substructures as you want. When you look at the talk page, you see that access to the Topics substructure is preferred. There are some reasons to that: <dl><dd>1. This substructure is the most useful to Commons readers</dd> <dd>2. Every media file would be found in this only substructure.</dd></dl> Therefore, easy browsing in the Topics structure is an essentiel element of the success of Commons project. That means that the reader must easily understand the Topics organization, then find the way to reach the wanted media files. That's why the categories of the Topics substructure have to be cleared of most interconnections between the 6 substructures. When a category contains several subcategories, you can logically expect to find different media files in each subcategory. That would not be true, if we allow interconnections. Any file in <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> is already far better categorized in <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a>: <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> is a wrong track. More, media files are mainly selected according to their overall quality, not according the only criterion “to be a SVG file”. So, such interconnections are harmful to the project, and they would be restricted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:08:00.000Z-Category:SVG_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I believe that an SVG map category tree is beneficial to the project. I did not create the SVG map category tree. But it seem that the project is encouraging SVG images. <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a> was started in January 2006. See the history:</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:SVG_maps&action=history">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:SVG_maps&action=history</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Interconnections between category trees is normal and encouraged. Why did you remove <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a> from being a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>? How else do you expect people to find these SVG maps?</dd></dl> <dl><dd>You have a fundamental misunderstanding about categorization. Strict hierarchies do not work, because topics are interconnected.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Quote from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization#Categories_do_not_form_a_tree" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Categorization">w:Wikipedia:Categorization#Categories do not form a tree</a> (emphasis added):</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Categories do not form a tree</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Category-diagram.png" class="extiw" title="w:Image:Category-diagram.png">w:Image:Category-diagram.png</a> Wikipedia's category system. Definitely not a tree structure.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Each Wikipedia article can appear in more than one category, and each category can appear in more than one parent category. Multiple categorization schemes co-exist simultaneously. In other words, categories do not form a strict hierarchy or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tree_structure" class="extiw" title="w:tree structure">w:tree structure</a>, but a more general <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/directed_acyclic_graph" class="extiw" title="w:directed acyclic graph">w:directed acyclic graph</a> (or close to it; see below).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Nevertheless, parts of the category graph will be tree-like, and it may be convenient to think of parts of the category graph as being like multiple overlapping trees. When applying the guidelines above, consider each tree to be independent of the overlapping trees. A person browsing through a hierarchy should find every article that belongs in that hierarchy. This can lead to a good deal of debate as to what the hierarchies actually are. To clarify the structure of the hierarchy and help people browse through it, you can add a classification to each category. For more about this, see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Classification" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Classification">w:Wikipedia:Classification</a>. [End of quote]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>A key point is "A person browsing through a hierarchy should find every article that belongs in that hierarchy." That means interconnections are essential. That means that the SVG maps category tree, <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a>, for example, needs to be interconnected with the map category tree, <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T09:48:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>You have a very personal manner to interpret other users' interventions. You are currently the only user who questionned the removal of SVG categories from the Topics substructure. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T11:49:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T09:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> (unindent) <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a> is a map category and an SVG category. You seem to be the only person who does not want SVG maps categorized in map categories. 3 people have questioned your removal of it from map categories. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">User:Lokal Profil</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">User:Timeshifter</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a></li></ul> Your unilateral categorization schemes are also questioned here: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#Commons:By_location_category_scheme" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems">Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Commons:By location category scheme</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T12:15:00.000Z-Category:SVG_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>My "questioning" above was indeed just that, asking a question hoping that the answer would give me some understanding of the matter being discussed. I (hope I) now have a better understanding... Since I've just started drawing new maps using inkscape, I find the SVG maps categories very helpful as a place to find sources to copy from. For these purposes SVG maps as subcategories under topic categories would be helpful. I think, however, that for most users searching for illustrations and such, "mediatype" and "Copyright stats" (or for that matter "user") as subcategories of the topic catoegories will only be confusing. I'm starting to get to know my way around here, so for me it is not a problem to browse from top category <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a> down to a certain geographical area, and then do a cross check in the main category for that area to see whether there are better .png, .gif etc maps. So, to summarise: I believe that there should be topical substructures in mediatypes, but not mediatype subcats to topics. I.e. SVG maps and sub to SVG files ( and maybe <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a> at this top level), then <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Europe" title="Category:SVG maps of Europe">Category:SVG maps of Europe</a> as sub to SVG maps but not to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Europe" title="Category:Maps of Europe">category:Maps of Europe</a> and so on. I concider the Topical categories our "main" categories, the catsystem that makes our mediafiles available for the public. The other categories are only there to help us (active commons user) organize tha content. A file only categorised as "copyright:GFDL" or "type:SVG" or "source:Flickr" is in practical terms uncategorized. <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:16:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T12:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Of course, <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps" title="Category:SVG maps">Category:SVG maps</a> may be organized in a substructure, regardless of what we are doing in <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. It means that you may duplicate part or all the structure of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps" title="Category:Maps">Category:Maps</a>. My only concern is to prevent interferences between structures. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T12:29:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Then that means all the SVG maps will have to be individually categorized under their topics. It would be a lot easier just to make <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a>. I will go and categorize the individual SVG images in that category now to show you what I mean. So ALL the individual SVG images will be categorized in both <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a>. This seems like such a waste of valuable time. But it is important that the average reader is able to find all the maps of Mexico. Even if the categorization scheme is illogical and wastes everybody's time just to make one person, <a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">User:Juiced lemon</a> happy in his unique categorization scheme which is different from all other wikipedia map categorization schemes. Because interconnecting category trees is allowed everywhere except in the mind of <a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">User:Juiced lemon</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T12:37:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The question for me is not was is "allowed" or not, but what is most practical for the average user. I may have been unclear above: I agree with Juiced Lemon that <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> should not be a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a> and so on. Further, to both Timeshifter and JL, assume good faith and keep in mind that we're discussing in order to find the best solution. :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Finnrind" title="User:Finnrind">Finn Rindahl</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:51:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I assume good faith on both your parts. I just don't think either of you are thinking clearly about the issues. I have started checking all the individual images in <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> to see that they are all categorized under <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a> or one of its subcategories. Because it is important that the average reader is easily able to find all the maps of Mexico. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T12:59:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Finn Rindahl. You wrote: "what is most practical for the average user." Is it not most practical for the reader if the reader can go directly to the SVG map category? Is not the most important element of an SVG map the fact that it is a map? Many objects can be categorized under multiple topics. So categorization can not be strictly hierarchal for those objects. Those objects are normally categorized in those multiple topics. It is common throughout wikipedia and the commons. I checked all the Mexico SVG maps. They were nearly all already categorized in multiple categories. Including separate SVG map and Mexico map cateogories. So why do we categorize the individual maps in multiple categories but not <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a>? It is illogical, and goes against the existing categorization rules as I have quoted several times already. The existing commons rules override the peculiar categorization schemes of Juiced lemon. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T21:05:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It seems that <a href="/wiki/User:Jeff_G." title="User:Jeff G.">User:Jeff G.</a> may agree with me. See this diff:</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASVG_maps_of_Mexico&diff=6470746&oldid=6465306">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASVG_maps_of_Mexico&diff=6470746&oldid=6465306</a></dd> <dd>He added back <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:Maps of Mexico">Category:Maps of Mexico</a> to the bottom of the <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_of_Mexico" title="Category:SVG maps of Mexico">Category:SVG maps of Mexico</a> page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T22:00:00.000Z-Finnrind-2007-07-08T12:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>There seems to be a number of mis-conceptions involved in this discussion, so I will make some points.</li></ul> <ol><li>This is not wikipedia, categories have a very specific use here which is different from the way they're used on wikipedia.</li> <li>As described by <a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">User:Juiced lemon</a> the category structure is a number of inter-twined but independent trees starting at the same root. ie the branches weave through each other but a branch on one tree doesn't suddenly get grafted onto another tree.</li> <li>The category structure is very definitely a hierarchical tree (well 6 trees as described above). Loops and nailing branches of different trees together destroys the structure and makes tools like catscan useless.</li> <li>SVG is a 'media type', not a 'topic', so however strange it might seem it is on a different tree. The appropriate linking would be some sort of 'see also' link, not grafting branches of one tree onto another.</li></ol> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tony_Wills" title="User:Tony Wills">Tony Wills</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Tony_Wills-2007-08-04T04:57:00.000Z-Category:SVG_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East-2007-07-08T08:39:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">edit</a>]</div> Juice Lemon keeps removing the following subcategories from <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a>. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Lebanon" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Lebanon">Category:Satellite pictures of Lebanon</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Saudi_Arabia" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Saudi Arabia">Category:Satellite pictures of Saudi Arabia</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Palestinian_territories" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Palestinian territories">Category:Satellite pictures of the Palestinian territories</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Syria" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Syria">Category:Satellite pictures of Syria</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Jordan" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Jordan">Category:Satellite pictures of Jordan</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Egypt" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Egypt">Category:Satellite pictures of Egypt</a></li></ul> There has been some related discussion here: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juiced_lemon#Category:Maps_of_the_Middle_East" title="User talk:Juiced lemon">User talk:Juiced lemon#Category:Maps of the Middle East</a></li></ul> Please see the many subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Middle_East" title="Category:Middle East">Category:Middle East</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Middle_East" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Middle East">w:Category:Middle East</a>. There is no logical reason for removing subcategories from <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a>. Juiced Lemon is French, I believe. Please see the many Middle East subcategories at <ul><li><a class="external free" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Moyen-Orient">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Moyen-Orient</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T08:39:00.000Z-Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> Commons Wikimedia is not hypertext encyclopedia, but a vault for data storage. So, use of category pages is incidental in the Wikipedia projects, but essential in the Commons project. Therefore, we are not required to copy our Topics substructure from other encyclopedia projects. In particular, we have to provide clear and clean structures in order to allow easy browsing. They are thousands regions or areas on the Earth, and we cannot build understanding and manageable structures without scheme. I have proposed a scheme: <a href="/wiki/Commons:Territorial_division_of_the_World" title="Commons:Territorial division of the World">Commons:Territorial division of the World</a>. The lands on Earth are divided in 7 continents, and some isolated islands. Continents are divided in subregions, matching the United Nations division of the World. In this scheme, there are <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Africa" class="extiw" title="w:Northern Africa">Northern Africa</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Asia" class="extiw" title="w:Western Asia">Western Asia</a>, but not <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East" class="extiw" title="w:Middle East">Middle East</a>. Middle East is mainly a geostrategic region, and has no definite limits (Yemen, but no Sudan?). More, this is a transcontinental region. So, I asked <a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> to propose an alternative scheme: he refused. Consequently, I have removed <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Jordan" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Jordan">Category:Satellite pictures of Jordan</a> and other subcategories from <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a>. <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_Jordan" title="Category:Satellite pictures of Jordan">Category:Satellite pictures of Jordan</a> have to be categorized as any other similar category in 3 categories: <ul><li>Geography of COUNTRY</li> <li>Satellite pictures by country</li> <li>Satellite pictures of CONTINENT</li></ul> Not less, not more. This is standard feature, therefore a manageable one. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:54:00.000Z-Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>As I said already on your user talk page we should use the existing categorization methods. The methods used at BOTH wikimedia commons and wikipedia. You are the one trying to propose a radically different categorization scheme. The Middle East crosses over 2 continents, Asia and Africa. So it will not fit in YOUR proposed categorization scheme. But it fits fine in the existing commons categorization scheme.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories#Category_structure" title="Commons:Categories">Commons:Categories#Category structure</a> does not prevent interconnections between categories. It says "All categories (except CommonsRoot) should be contained in at least one other category."</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Also see my comments in the previous section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>You started editing YOUR draft proposal, <a href="/wiki/Commons:Territorial_division_of_the_World" title="Commons:Territorial division of the World">Commons:Territorial division of the World</a>, on May 24, 2007. See the history:</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Territorial_division_of_the_World&action=history">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Territorial_division_of_the_World&action=history</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>You seem to have a habit of making unilateral declarations of policy. Many people have objected to many of your edits. See: <a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems">Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T10:10:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Juiced lemon is removing satellite picture subcategories from overall satellite picture categories. He uses the edit summary "pictures are not drawings". Juiced lemon is oftentimes illogical in his categorization. He has been mentioned unfavorably many times at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems">Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems</a>. He ignores much of what people say to him. He ignores my replies to his points here.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I believe Juiced lemon is also wrong to remove satellite pictures from being subcategories of maps. It depends on how one defines maps. Many atlases include satellite pictures. Oftentimes satellite pictures have lines drawn in for the borders. Mapmakers want easy access to the satellite photos in order to add borders, cities, labels, etc.. And in any case the satellite pictures show topographical features. Topographical maps are considered maps. And finally, people looking for maps often want to see satellite maps/photos. For the topographic elements. I do. I believe that much of the whole problem with Juiced lemon is that he doesn't look at map categorization from the point of view of the average reader. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-08T20:49:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Since satellite pictures are not considered maps by some people I will remove them from map categories. I can link to them instead as a related category. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-09T17:21:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>It seems that <a href="/wiki/User:Jeff_G." title="User:Jeff G.">User:Jeff G.</a> agrees with me about the satellite pictures. See this <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASatellite_pictures_of_the_Palestinian_territories&diff=6474493&oldid=6472005">diff</a>. He put back a subcategory in <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-09T17:25:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>It seems that <a href="/wiki/User:Xhienne" title="User:Xhienne">Xavier</a> also agrees with me about the subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Satellite_pictures_of_the_Middle_East" title="Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East">Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East</a>. See this <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJuiced_lemon&diff=6466425&oldid=6434589">diff</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-09T20:14:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-08T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:EL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:EL-2007-07-09T10:25:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:EL" title="Category:EL">Category:EL</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:EL&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:EL">edit</a>]</div> What is this category supposed to be about? I cannot really see much of a pattern in the contained images. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">Rimshot</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-09T10:25:00.000Z-Category:EL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>As suggested by the supercat:s, it contained letter combinations of E and L. Also to this category have been added images imported from the <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enciclopedia_Libre_Universal_en_Espa%C3%B1ol" class="extiw" title="es:Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español">es:Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español</a> (abbreviation EL) via es:. Hence the ragbag. <a href="/wiki/User:Man_vyi" title="User:Man vyi">Man vyi</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Man_vyi-2007-07-09T12:43:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-09T10:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh, I see. I'll create <a href="/wiki/Category:Images_from_Enciclopedia_Libre" title="Category:Images from Enciclopedia Libre">Category:Images from Enciclopedia Libre</a> in <a href="/wiki/Category:Images_from_encyclopedias" title="Category:Images from encyclopedias">Category:Images from encyclopedias</a> then, and put them there. Would that be alright? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-09T13:16:00.000Z-Man_vyi-2007-07-09T12:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It seems like a good idea to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Man_vyi" title="User:Man vyi">Man vyi</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Man_vyi-2007-07-09T16:43:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-09T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Villages_by_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Villages_by_country-2007-07-09T13:15:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Villages_by_country" title="Category:Villages by country">Category:Villages by country</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Villages_by_country&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Villages by country">edit</a>]</div> Some bot filled up this section with hundreds of maps of villages in US states, primarily Michigan, Ohio, NM, Missouri. I discovered it while looking for some generic village images. I moved some singletons over to where they belong, but it will take another bot to fix this. There are proper cats for: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Michigan" title="Category:Maps of Michigan">Category:Maps of Michigan</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Nebraska" title="Category:Maps of Nebraska">Category:Maps of Nebraska</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_Ohio" title="Category:Maps of Ohio">Category:Maps of Ohio</a></li></ul> ... and so forth. <a href="/wiki/User:BeeTea" title="User:BeeTea">BeeTea</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-BeeTea-2007-07-09T13:15:00.000Z-Category:Villages_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The maps can be moved to <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cities_in_Michigan" title="Category:Locator maps of cities in Michigan">Category:Locator maps of cities in Michigan</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cities_in_Missouri" title="Category:Locator maps of cities in Missouri">Category:Locator maps of cities in Missouri</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cities_in_North_Carolina" title="Category:Locator maps of cities in North Carolina">Category:Locator maps of cities in North Carolina</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cities_in_Nebraska" title="Category:Locator maps of cities in Nebraska">Category:Locator maps of cities in Nebraska</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cities_in_New_Mexico" title="Category:Locator maps of cities in New Mexico">Category:Locator maps of cities in New Mexico</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cities_in_Ohio" title="Category:Locator maps of cities in Ohio">Category:Locator maps of cities in Ohio</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-09T15:55:00.000Z-BeeTea-2007-07-09T13:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'll do something with category.py tidy. For this I'll have to add some cats to <a href="/wiki/Category:Villages_by_country" title="Category:Villages by country">Category:Villages by country</a> first, to get the choices. Please give me some time. Placement in this category is done by CommonSense. Unfortunately this does not always work exactly right :) <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-09T16:59:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-09T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Darn. The bot does not work... I have asked a developer to take a closer look at it. I have reverted the temporary changes I had made to some categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-09T17:26:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-09T16:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-09T19:23:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-09T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Bene_Beraq" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Bene_Beraq-2007-07-12T20:30:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Bene_Beraq&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Bene Beraq (page does not exist)">Category:Bene Beraq</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Bene_Beraq&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Bene Beraq">edit</a>]</div> I didn't see <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Bene_Beraq&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Bene Beraq (page does not exist)">Category:Bene Beraq</a> until after I created <a href="/wiki/Category:Bnei_Brak" title="Category:Bnei Brak">Category:Bnei Brak</a>, but they are redundant, and the latter spelling is in any event in line with the naming convention established on En WP (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Brak" class="extiw" title="en:Bnei Brak">en:Bnei Brak</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Tewfik" title="User:Tewfik">Tewfik</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Tewfik-2007-07-12T20:30:00.000Z-Category:Bene_Beraq" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I fixed it. I recategorized the only image in it. Then I added this tag: {{bad name|Category:Bnei Brak}}</dd></dl> <dl><dd>So the old <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Bene_Beraq&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Bene Beraq (page does not exist)">Category:Bene Beraq</a> will be speedy deleted.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>See this page for some options: <a href="/wiki/Template:Category_redirect" title="Template:Category redirect">Template:Category redirect</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter">Timeshifter</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Timeshifter-2007-07-13T02:28:00.000Z-Tewfik-2007-07-12T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre-2007-07-16T05:37:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_genres" title="Category:Musical genres">Category:Musical genres</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Musical genres and Category:Musical groups by genre">edit</a>]</div> Is there any intelligible distinction between <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_genres" title="Category:Musical genres">Category:Musical genres</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a>? If so, could someone clarify in text on the respective category pages and look to see if the subcategories make consistent sense? Thanks. Also, I see that many images of groups are contained directly in <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a>, which makes no sense to me at all. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-16T05:37:00.000Z-Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>In theory Musical groups by genre could be a subcategory of Musical genres (and musical groups) but that requires that we have some content that belongs to Musical genres but not musical groups by genre. I don't know what that content would be. <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-07-16T08:16:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-16T05:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>All images of sheet music, for one ;) . Musical instruments sometimes are associated with a certain genre. There are loads of sound samples of certain styles of music, these belong to a genre, not to a musical group. So, <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a> should be a subcategory of Musical genres. As for images directly in <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a>: in a dream world everyone would categorize their uploads in a meaningful way, but unfortunately, it isn't so. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-16T09:51:00.000Z-Samulili-2007-07-16T08:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> First, I recommand you the reading of <a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories#Categories_by_CRITERION" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">this section</a>. So, your question regards the difference between <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_genres" title="Category:Musical genres">Category:Musical genres</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups" title="Category:Musical groups">Category:Musical groups</a>: I think that you'll guess the answer, as for the difference between <a href="/wiki/Category:Collars" title="Category:Collars">Category:Collars</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Dogs" title="Category:Dogs">Category:Dogs</a>. However, you'll notice that the criterion for <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a> is “musical genre”, but not “genre”. So, the category could be renamed <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Musical_groups_by_musical_genre&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Musical groups by musical genre (page does not exist)">Category:Musical groups by musical genre</a>, as any other category “by musical genre”, subcategory of Category:Categories by musical genre. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-16T17:49:00.000Z-Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It should be obvious that when one is categorizing musical groups by genre, the genre is a musical one. Therefore there is no reason to repeat the word. <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-07-16T19:19:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-16T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There are 2 reasons to do so: <dl><dd>1. Each artistic domain can have its own genres, like musical genres or literary genres: we don't save anything to confuse them.</dd> <dd>2. Allowing any person to use the database with a basic knowledge of the English language. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-16T20:00:00.000Z-Samulili-2007-07-16T19:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have to say I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> here. As for your reasons: I don't quite understand 1., I am afraid. Are you saying that it's problematic that there is a musical as well as a literary style Baroque? I don't see how that can be a problem. And your second reason: if someone doesn't understand "genre", he won't understand "musical genre" either. If someone doesn't understand "musical group", the whole point is moot, as he will never even have arrived at the category "Category:Musical groups" and therefore will never need to find out what "Musical groups by genre" is about. I cannot think of a scenario where adding redundant information will help in any way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-17T09:57:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-16T20:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>So far, this is all clear as mud. In particular, how can individual photos belong in a category called <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a>, or anything of the sort? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-16T17:56:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-16T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is the first sentence of the linked section:</dd> <dd>These are special categories which are useful to group other related pages (not media files) according to a given criterion..</dd> <dd>If this sentence is not clear enough for you, it means:</dd> <dd><big>It is strictly forbidden to categorize media files in any “category by CRITERION”.</big></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-16T19:02:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-16T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> So why this tone when you are apparently agreeing with me that these pictures don't belong there? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-17T04:47:00.000Z-Category:Musical_genres_and_Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>To repeat what I said above: you know that they don't belong there, I know, and Juiced lemon knows. The people who put them there don't know, unfortunately. I guess your (repeated) remark about that made it seem like you weren't so sure either that they really don't belong there. I have added a few words to <a href="/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_by_genre" title="Category:Musical groups by genre">Category:Musical groups by genre</a>, to make it clearer to others as well. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-17T09:32:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-17T04:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Sorry for the tone: some passing annoyance, due to the difficulty to explain some basic things about classification. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-17T11:26:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-17T09:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Double_check,_please:_129_category_moves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Double_check,_please:_129_category_moves-2007-07-17T07:11:00.000Z">Double check, please: 129 category moves</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Double_check,_please:_129_category_moves&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Double check, please: 129 category moves">edit</a>]</div> When I get home later today I want to start a renaming/harmonisation of categories "Location maps ..." to "Locator maps of ... in ...". I have the commands ready on <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand/test" title="User:Siebrand/test">User:Siebrand/test</a>. Please double check for any typos and/or inconsistencies. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-17T07:11:00.000Z-Double_check,_please:_129_category_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>About six months ago, I opened a discussion at the village pump about the standard form for locator maps. The result (as I remember it) was: <dl><dd>Locator maps of [WHAT TO LOCATE] [PREPOSITION] [WHERE TO LOCATE]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>PREPOSITION is determined according to custom rules: <ul><li>when [WHAT TO LOCATE] is a settlement (city, village, etc.), PREPOSITION=in</li> <li>other cases, PREPOSITION=of</li></ul></dd> <dd>I think it's the more practical system: since we have <a href="/wiki/Category:Cantons_of_Switzerland" title="Category:Cantons of Switzerland">Category:Cantons of Switzerland</a>, the category for locator maps will be: <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_cantons_of_Switzerland" title="Category:Locator maps of cantons of Switzerland">Category:Locator maps of cantons of Switzerland</a>. You have just to add the standard prefix: “Locator maps of”, and no new rule to learn. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-17T11:18:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-17T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>In for settlements and of for administrative areas, is that the general idea? I support that but where do you draw the line? <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-07-17T11:31:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-17T11:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Even though it may not look 100% correct, I am in favour of a convention that uses the same words in all forms. Especially to newcomers and occasional visitors, the subtle differences are annoying, even if there is a logic to it. Any thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-17T14:20:00.000Z-Samulili-2007-07-17T11:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The idea comes probably from the English Wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(categories)#State-based_topics" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)">Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#State-based topics</a>: <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Berlin&oldid=252727">Berlin</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:London&oldid=126029">London</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Paris&direction=next&oldid=2305">Paris</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Rome&oldid=34263">Rome</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Tokyo&direction=next&oldid=26668">Tokyo</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>I don't draw any line. Settlements and subdivisions (areas) are assumed to have specific common names. Then, the name of the Commons categories are determined according to this common name (which points a settlement or a subdivision). In Commons, some users have mixed lowest level administrative areas with settlements. I didn't take care of that, though I disapprove, at least because there were too few discussions and explanations about this operation. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-17T15:01:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-17T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hmm, I see. I guess I'll have to agree. I'll rename as stated above and ask when in doubt. Thanks for the input.. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-17T15:25:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-17T15:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have updated the list of commands on <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand/test" title="User:Siebrand/test">User:Siebrand/test</a> and the commands are running now. It is going to run unattended in the coming hours. Please let me know if I screwed up somewhere and I'll correct. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-17T16:24:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-17T15:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:National_parks_in_Brazil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:National parks in Brazil (page does not exist)">Category:National parks in Brazil</a> doesn't comply with the standard form National parks of COUNTRY (see <a href="/wiki/Category:National_parks" title="Category:National parks">Category:National parks</a>). So <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Locator_maps_of_national_parks_in_Brazil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Locator maps of national parks in Brazil (page does not exist)">Category:Locator maps of national parks in Brazil</a> would be renamed <a href="/wiki/Category:Locator_maps_of_national_parks_of_Brazil" title="Category:Locator maps of national parks of Brazil">Category:Locator maps of national parks of Brazil</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-18T09:09:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-17T16:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>OK, will do. Would you take a look at the topic Category:Historical Markers a little higher up this page and voice opinion? Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-18T09:19:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-18T09:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-18T14:28:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-18T09:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I take it that this discussion is closed now? I'll archive it, in that case. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-10-01T13:52:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-17T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. 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Please correct the list and let me know when it is done. I'll start the moves then. Thanks for the help. Cheers! P.s. I have things in a spreadsheet, so if many things need changing, let me know here, so I can fix the sources. That will save me time preparing the commands for the bot. <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-18T15:10:00.000Z-Needs_fixing_and_checking:_125_category_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Done. Do not move the categories between WAIT and /WAIT, due to incorrect naming or categorization which cannot be solved quickly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-19T19:47:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-18T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>OK, I'll leave those out and start the job for the others. Thanks for the help. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-19T22:55:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-19T19:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Done. At the bottom of <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand/test" title="User:Siebrand/test">User:Siebrand/test</a> you find a list with categories that have been left untouched pending an outcome of wanted category naming. <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-20T09:50:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-19T22:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>And this request is completely done now as well? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-10-01T13:52:00.000Z-Siebrand-2007-07-18T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. 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Seems to me like it went precisely the wrong way. Any objections to moving it back? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2007-07-19T17:16:00.000Z-Category:Japanese_garden" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You are correct. Please feel free to do so. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Siebrand" title="User:Siebrand">Siebrand</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Siebrand-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z-Jmabel-2007-07-19T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Wikisource" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Wikisource-2007-07-19T20:33:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikisource" title="Category:Wikisource">Category:Wikisource</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Wikisource&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Wikisource">edit</a>]</div> This category is intended to contain logos and other material directly related to Wikisource (like other categories foe Wikimedia projects). But it does also contain files that are used by Wikisource, like scanned text and images from books and audio recordings of books. I don't think such media is really related to Wikisource, and should be categorised by what it is instead of where it is mostly used. /<a href="/wiki/User:%C3%96" title="User:Ö">Ö</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Ö-2007-07-19T20:33:00.000Z-Category:Wikisource" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There was a discussion about these categories on the village pump last summer <a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump_archive-34#Wikisoure:Image_use_policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Village pump archive-34">Commons:Village pump archive-34#Wikisoure:Image use policy</a>. /<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:90.229.135.239&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:90.229.135.239 (page does not exist)">90.229.135.239</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-90.229.135.239-2007-08-09T13:19:00.000Z-Ö-2007-07-19T20:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. 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If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Flanders" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Flanders-2007-07-21T19:27:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Flanders" title="Category:Flanders">Category:Flanders</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Flanders&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Flanders">edit</a>]</div> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanders" class="extiw" title="w:Flanders">Flanders</a> is an historic region, which overlaps Belgium, France, and the Netherlands. The category is currently used for both the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Region" class="extiw" title="w:Flemish Region">Flemish Region</a> and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Community" class="extiw" title="w:Flemish Community">Flemish Community</a>. The categorizations of the historic region, the region of Belgium, and the linguistic community are obviously very different. So, I request the move of the contents <a href="/wiki/Category:Flanders" title="Category:Flanders">Category:Flanders</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Flemish_Region&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Flemish Region (page does not exist)">Category:Flemish Region</a>, in order to: <ul><li>recover <a href="/wiki/Category:Flanders" title="Category:Flanders">Category:Flanders</a> for media files which are related to the historic region</li> <li>individualize the different subjects for better understanding, to establish correct interwiki links with Wikipedia articles, and approprate categorization</li> <li>name each category according to the correct names of these subjects (references: English Wikipedia and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.belgium.be/eportal/application?languageRedirected=yes&navId=2690&pageid=indexPage">this official page</a>).</li></ul> Notice that <a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">User:Foroa</a> has removed <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Flanders&diff=6685060&oldid=6682435">the move template</a>, though the <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Flanders" title="Category talk:Flanders">discussion</a> is not finished. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-21T19:27:00.000Z-Category:Flanders" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Flanders as a historic region used to be a countship coinciding with the current provinces West-Vlaanderen and Oost-Vlaanderen, later it used to overlap parts of Belgium, France and the Netherlands. This no longer so. Currently Flanders (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.flanders.be">this</a> official site) is the part of Belgium, consisting of the 5 Flemish provinces. In the Netherlands the erstwhile overlap is now called Zeeuws-Vlaanderen, in France: la Flandre française (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Flanders" class="extiw" title="en:French Flanders">French Flanders</a>) (which is not the same as Vlaanderen). I strongly oppose the move. <a href="/wiki/User:Lycaon" title="User:Lycaon">Lycaon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Lycaon-2007-07-31T18:36:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-21T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Stupid Flanders. -<a href="/wiki/User:Nard_the_Bard" title="User:Nard the Bard">Nard</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Nard_the_Bard-2007-07-31T19:05:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-21T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>In reply to the person who gave me a civility warning for this comment, "Stupid Flanders" is a Homer Simpson quote. I thought it would be funny (if off-topic). It has nothing to do with Flemish people of today. -<a href="/wiki/User:Nard_the_Bard" title="User:Nard the Bard">Nard</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Nard_the_Bard-2007-07-31T19:17:00.000Z-Nard_the_Bard-2007-07-31T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>A lesson for all of us that pop-cultural references originating in North American Anglophone culture will not always be recognised in ou multicultural and multilingual milieu! I didn't recognise the original reference, but your explanation gave me a chortle. Thanks all! <a href="/wiki/User:Man_vyi" title="User:Man vyi">Man vyi</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Man_vyi-2007-07-31T19:24:00.000Z-Nard_the_Bard-2007-07-31T19:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Just put an Brit and an American thogether: there already you have a completely different sense of humor. Let alone when switching to "real" different languages. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Foroa-2007-07-31T20:51:00.000Z-Man_vyi-2007-07-31T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. 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Changes that I made was especially this: the separation of schemes of route signs to the subcategory <a href="/wiki/Category:Diagrams_of_route_signs_of_the_United_States" title="Category:Diagrams of route signs of the United States">Diagrams of route signs of the United States</a> (and its subcategory <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Diagrams_of_route_signs_of_the_United_States_by_state&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Diagrams of route signs of the United States by state (page does not exist)">Diagrams of route signs of the United States by state</a>). This way is necessary to accosiation U. S. route signs in the common worldwide uponcategory <a href="/wiki/Category:Route_signs" title="Category:Route signs">Category:Route signs</a> with route signs of non-american countries. Do take note, that the worldwide category <a href="/wiki/Category:Traffic_signs" title="Category:Traffic signs">Traffic signs</a> is two years since redirected to <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs" title="Category:Road signs">Category:Road signs</a>, meaning all of types of traffic signs. Maybe a misunderstanding have a linguistic base. The category names as <a href="/wiki/Category:Guide_Signs" title="Category:Guide Signs">Category:Guide Signs</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Construction_Signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Construction Signs (page does not exist)">Category:Construction Signs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Warning_Signs" title="Category:Warning Signs">Category:Warning Signs</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Regulatory_Signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Regulatory Signs (page does not exist)">Category:Regulatory Signs</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Speed_Limit_Signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Speed Limit Signs (page does not exist)">Category:Speed Limit Signs</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:School_Signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:School Signs (page does not exist)">Category:School Signs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Auxiliary_Plates" title="Category:Auxiliary Plates">Category:Auxiliary Plates</a> etc. are absolutely unsuitable to subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Diagrams_of_road_signs_of_the_United_States" title="Category:Diagrams of road signs of the United States">Category:Diagrams of road signs of the United States</a>. A renaming of them is necessary. The world is not only U. S. The corresponding worldwide categories are in <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_signs_by_kind&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road signs by kind (page does not exist)">Category:Road signs by kind</a>. A mixture of this categories with many categories with route signs by state without their own subcategory is unsuitable aswell. The changes that I made was reverted by <a href="/wiki/User:O" title="User:O">User:O</a>. The discussion is at <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Diagrams_of_road_signs_of_the_United_States#Subcategories" title="Category talk:Diagrams of road signs of the United States">Category talk:Diagrams of road signs of the United States#Subcategories</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-ŠJů-2007-07-22T21:36:00.000Z-Category:Diagrams_of_road_signs_of_the_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. 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If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Topology_(Network)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Topology_(Network)-2007-07-22T12:38:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Topology_(Network)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Topology (Network) (page does not exist)">Category:Topology (Network)</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Topology_(Network)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Topology (Network)">edit</a>]</div> I propose to rename the category to <a href="/wiki/Category:Network_topology" title="Category:Network topology">Category:Network topology</a>, for capitalization and because it is a more natural title. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-22T12:38:00.000Z-Category:Topology_(Network)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't even think there is a need to discuss this. Just be bold; it's an obvious improvement. —<a href="/wiki/User:LX" title="User:LX">LX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LX" title="User talk:LX">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LX" title="Special:Contributions/LX">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-LX-2007-07-22T13:50:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-22T12:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I wanted to have at least a bit of a discussion to point at before requesting it at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a>. Anyway, I'm making the request now. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-22T14:06:00.000Z-LX-2007-07-22T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> (<a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">?</a>O - <a href="/wiki/User:O" title="User:O">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O" title="User talk:O">Y?</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-O-2007-07-22T17:02:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-22T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Lightnings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Lightnings-2007-07-25T02:35:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Lightnings&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Lightnings (page does not exist)">Category:Lightnings</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Lightnings&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Lightnings">edit</a>]</div> The Wikipedia version of this category (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lightning" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Lightning">w:Category:Lightning</a>) was moved to Category:Lightning. In my opinion, "lightnings" is a misspelling and therefore <a href="/wiki/Category:Lightning" title="Category:Lightning">Category:Lightning</a> should be the real category instead of the redirect. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Emperorbma" title="User:Emperorbma">Emperorbma</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Emperorbma-2007-07-25T02:35:00.000Z-Category:Lightnings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree. <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-07-25T08:18:00.000Z-Emperorbma-2007-07-25T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I disagree. “Lightings” is the correct plural form of “lighting”, and is not misspelled. Like <a href="/wiki/Category:Languages" title="Category:Languages">Category:Languages</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Language" title="Category:Language">Category:Language</a>, the two forms are used with two different meanings. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-25T09:05:00.000Z-Samulili-2007-07-25T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Well, my dictionary gives lightning as non-countable mass noun. That means that there is no plural. This coincides with my personal feeling that "lightnings" is not a proper English word. If you insist on a plural form, try "lightning flashes". Where did you get the information that lightnings is a proper form? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-25T09:55:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-25T09:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/42/L0164200.html">American Heritage® Dictionary</a> gives a plural form with s ending. However, I agree that “lightnings”, “lightning flashes” and “flashes of lightning” match the same subject. I have no preference between these three names. So, choose the most used one. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-25T10:33:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-25T09:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Is lightnings an American thing, then? Lightning is often given as an example of an uncountable noun.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:mjFzBrzg8vQJ:www.jamesabela.co.uk/genmaterials/CommonUncountableNouns.pdf">[1]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.perfectyourenglish.com/grammar/countable-nouns.htm">[2]</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lightning" class="extiw" title="wikt:lightning">Wiktionary</a> gives "lightnings" as archaic plural, so maybe that's what it is. Finally, the word "lightnings" on the page you linked is a verb form, not a noun. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-25T12:42:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-25T10:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>If I'm not mistaken, the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/42/L0164200.html">American Heritage® Dictionary</a> gives "lightnings" as an inflected verb form and doesn't seem to show which nouns are uncountable, see for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/ahdsearch?search_type=enty&query=understanding&db=ahd&Submit=Search">understanding</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Samulili" title="User:Samulili">Samulili</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Samulili-2007-07-25T19:21:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-25T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> For reference, there was also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_18#Category:Lightnings" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 18">discussion</a> regarding this on Wikipedia and they agreed on using Category:Lightning. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Emperorbma" title="User:Emperorbma">Emperorbma</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Emperorbma-2007-07-26T05:23:00.000Z-Category:Lightnings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is no doubt that <a href="/wiki/Category:Lightning" title="Category:Lightning">Category:Lightning</a> matches the atmospheric phenomena. The residual issue concerns the visible part of the phenomena: in Wikimedia Commons, we have a lot of pictures of lightning strikes, and we have to sort them (it's not the case in the English Wikipedia, so their classification is irrelevant). See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wvlightning.com/lfaq.shtml">Storm highway weather library</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://meteoros.de/light/blitze.htm">Lighnings on meteoros.de</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-26T08:30:00.000Z-Emperorbma-2007-07-26T05:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Move <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands#Category:Lightnings" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">requested here</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-10-26T13:12:00.000Z-Category:Lightnings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-11-02T13:11:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-10-26T13:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Audio_by_brand" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Audio_by_brand-2007-07-26T21:40:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Audio_by_brand&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Audio by brand">edit</a>]</div> On his own initiative, <a href="/wiki/User:Jeff_G." title="User:Jeff G.">User:Jeff G.</a> moved most of the contents of <a href="/wiki/Category:Record_labels" title="Category:Record labels">Category:Record labels</a> in <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a>. <a href="/wiki/Category:Record_labels" title="Category:Record labels">Category:Record labels</a> matches the English Wikipedia article <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_label" class="extiw" title="w:Record label">Record label</a>, while <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a> doesn't comply with our conventions (see <a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories#Categories_by_CRITERION" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">Commons:Naming categories#Categories by CRITERION</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Jeff_G." title="User:Jeff G.">User:Jeff G.</a> refused to revert his move, arguing that “Record label” was an American English expression. He still added companies and audio equipment subcategories to <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a>. My first concern is to restore a category matching the initial subject (brands for audio records). This category could be <a href="/wiki/Category:Record_labels" title="Category:Record labels">Category:Record labels</a>, or an alternative name. I am trying to find a consensus about the destination category. Then, I think that <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a> will have to be deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-26T21:40:00.000Z-Category:Audio_by_brand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>First of all, I agree that <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a> is not a very good name for a category. Besides not fitting with the conventions, it also is not very clear what the category is about. If we need a different category structure then, could we first try to find out what it is we need to categorize? <ol><li>Record companies, the most common name for which is record label. Record label refers to the brand rather than the company, but that shouldn't make much of a difference. We might try to find a less ambiguous name than <a href="/wiki/Category:Record_labels" title="Category:Record labels">Category:Record labels</a> for that.</li> <li>Record labels, that is, the labels that are on records. These should reside in <a href="/wiki/Category:Gramophone_records" title="Category:Gramophone records">Category:Gramophone records</a>. If there is a category for a certain record company, then the images should also be in the category for that particular company, of course. I don't think we need a separate category tree "recordings belonging to a certain record company", as these images are very few indeed.</li> <li>Audio companies, that means companies that produce any kind of audio equipment. These could go in a category like enWP's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Audio_equipment_manufacturers" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Audio equipment manufacturers">Audio equipment manufacturers</a>.</li></ol></dd> <dd>That's all I can think of at the moment. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-29T19:30:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-26T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories#Categories_by_CRITERION" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">Commons:Naming categories#Categories by CRITERION</a> is not "our conventions", it's your dream. My concept of this category covers the following (which maybe can get get their own subcategories at some point, given enough images, time for categorization, and time for copyright expiration): <ul><li>audio equipment/hardware by brand (such as Sharp and Aiwa stereos, Apple iPods, guitars, amps, drums, cymbals, mikes, violins, clarinets, flutes, <a href="/wiki/Category:Gramophone_Company" title="Category:Gramophone Company">Category:Gramophone Company</a> record players, radios, tape players, and CD players)</li> <li>audio records by brand (blank and pre-recorded (where <a href="/wiki/Category:Record_labels" title="Category:Record labels">Category:Record labels</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Gramophone_Company" title="Category:Gramophone Company">Category:Gramophone Company</a> would fit), such as entire records, just their labels, their dustjackets, and their inserts)</li> <li>reel-to-reel audio tape by brand (blank (such as 3M and BASF) and pre-recorded)</li> <li>audio cassettes by brand (8-track tape, standard, mini, micro, etc. (blank (such as 3M, Maxell, Radio Shack, TDK, and Memorex) and pre-recorded (such as Columbia Records)))</li> <li>audio CDs by brand (blank (including CD-R and CD-RW, such as 3M and TDK) and pre-recorded (such as Columbia Records))</li> <li>digital audio content by brand (such as Apple iTunes and Napster)</li> <li>music producers by brand (what <a href="/wiki/Category:Record_labels" title="Category:Record labels">Category:Record labels</a> generally means in the US, such as Columbia Records, Virgin Records, and Edison Records)</li> <li>music sales outlets by brand (such as HMV, Target, Sam Ash, CD World, Radio Shack, and traditional record stores)</li></ul></dd> <dd> — <a href="/wiki/User:Jeff_G." title="User:Jeff G.">Jeff G.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeff_G." title="User talk:Jeff G.">talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeff_G." title="Special:Contributions/Jeff G.">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jeff_G.-2007-08-02T23:46:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-26T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>So what's the point of dumping them all in one lot? And where's the borderline between 'audio equipment' and 'electronic parts', 'audio outlets' and 'supermarkets' (for those non-US territories where 'traditional record stores' completely succumbed to competition)? My vote for keeping hardware makers, retailers and producers apart. <a href="/wiki/User:NVO" title="User:NVO">NVO</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NVO" title="User talk:NVO">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-NVO-2008-07-01T20:08:00.000Z-Jeff_G.-2007-08-02T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> I'm more concerned about this record: The longest running CfD request. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a><tt>(</tt><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a><tt>)</tt> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rocket000-2008-09-06T18:26:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-26T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 6 September 2008 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>I see no problem with having an "audio by brand" category, but certainly we should also have a category "recording companies" or "record labels". - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Jmabel-2008-11-26T00:23:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-26T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dt>Updated in <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_by_brand" title="Category:Audio by brand">Category:Audio by brand</a></dt> <dd>still some cleanup work to be done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Foroa-2009-03-29T18:19:00.000Z-Category:Audio_by_brand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Round_forms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Round_forms-2007-07-27T15:44:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_forms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round forms (page does not exist)">Category:Round forms</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Round_forms&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Round forms">edit</a>]</div> Delete, as it serves no other purpose than <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a> does already. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-27T15:44:00.000Z-Category:Round_forms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What do you know about that? Why do you want to delete <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_forms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round forms (page does not exist)">Category:Round forms</a> and not <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-27T19:09:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-27T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Because the former was created first (by the same user, who has also created other apparent duplicate categories) and has more entries, perhaps? I think the choice is rather arbitrary, but we should avoid redundancy. —<a href="/wiki/User:LX" title="User:LX">LX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LX" title="User talk:LX">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LX" title="Special:Contributions/LX">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-LX-2007-07-27T19:29:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-27T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I have spent a lot of time to undo some of this user's edits. What is the purpose of <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a>?</dd> <dd>I think some users confuse categories with keywords. Categories are software features for browsing, and have to be cautiously used. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-27T20:52:00.000Z-LX-2007-07-27T19:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Good point. I suppose it's not the most meaningful name for a category. If either of the categories in question are kept, they should be used judiciously. <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a> would probably be a better category in most cases. "Round" isn't really well-defined geometrically or in any other way. —<a href="/wiki/User:LX" title="User:LX">LX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LX" title="User talk:LX">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LX" title="Special:Contributions/LX">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-LX-2007-07-27T21:08:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-27T20:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>How can one find pictures of things that are round without a relevant category? <a href="/wiki/User:Man_vyi" title="User:Man vyi">Man vyi</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Man_vyi-2007-07-28T04:14:00.000Z-LX-2007-07-27T21:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a> is a natural subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Shapes" title="Category:Shapes">Category:Shapes</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_forms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round forms (page does not exist)">Category:Round forms</a> is a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a>, and not needed, as it serves no other purpose than the category it is in. Shall we open another thread for the separate discussion about the merit of having separate categories <a href="/wiki/Category:Shapes" title="Category:Shapes">Category:Shapes</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Geometrical_figures" title="Category:Geometrical figures">Category:Geometrical figures</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-28T10:38:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-27T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Your argumentation strays from the issue. What sort of contents to you expect in <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a> (which you could not find in other sub-category(ies) of <a href="/wiki/Category:Shapes" title="Category:Shapes">Category:Shapes</a>)? --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-28T11:11:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-28T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The purpose of this thread is to discuss the deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_forms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round forms (page does not exist)">Category:Round forms</a>, so don't say I stray from the issue, when you are doing so. In any case, if you wish, we may discuss other issues here as well. I think that an image <a href="/wiki/File:Blue_crocheting_thread.jpg" title="File:Blue crocheting thread.jpg">like this</a> belongs rather to <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a> than to <a href="/wiki/Category:Circles" title="Category:Circles">Category:Circles</a>. As I said, if we keep to the point we have a higher chance in finishing this particular discussion. If you want to discuss the merit of <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Shapes" title="Category:Shapes">Category:Shapes</a>, please start a new discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-28T12:00:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-28T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Cape_reinga_sign.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Cape_reinga_sign.jpg/60px-Cape_reinga_sign.jpg" decoding="async" width="60" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Cape_reinga_sign.jpg/90px-Cape_reinga_sign.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Cape_reinga_sign.jpg/120px-Cape_reinga_sign.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="3072"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>A category is not needed in order to tag a picture. Another user explained in the village pump that you can add any tag with a template, like {{keyword}}. Then, you can search media files with the catscan tools, and select the templates you want or don't want.</dd> <dd>Accumulation of category links doesn't help to browse through the database. I think that these links have to be limited, in order to allow the reader to understand the scheme of Commons category structures. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juiced_lemon" title="User:Juiced lemon">Juiced lemon</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-28T11:00:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-28T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Could you point me to that discussion? A quick search hasn't given me much information about this template. As <a href="/wiki/User:Man_vyi" title="User:Man vyi">Man vyi</a> said, though, how am I to find pictures of round things? We can expect (most) users to know about categories, can we expect them to know about the CatScan tool? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-28T12:00:00.000Z-Juiced_lemon-2007-07-28T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>He was possibly refering to my suggestion tagged onto the end of <a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Anti-category_crusade" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard">this discussion</a> (look for the paragragh Well, there is a solution™.) or other similar previous or subsequent versions. But I think the idea of tagging images by features that don't really describe the image but break it down to elements is re-creating a classification system that has previously been advocated <a href="/wiki/Commons:Image_classification_system" title="Commons:Image classification system">Commons:Image_classification_system</a>, but not adopted. "This is a system that does not describe the purpose or typical usage of an image, only its content" (eg a sheriffs badge is classified as a 'seven pointed star'). This seems to be the ultimate classification system thats starts with the idea of lets categorize it as 'round' - if this system is implimented our category system isn't really suited to it, but perhaps template tags could be used (but this is a huge job). As for the 'catscan' tool, it is on every category page, so is not completely obscure :-) --<a href="/wiki/User:Tony_Wills" title="User:Tony Wills">Tony Wills</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Tony_Wills-2007-08-03T09:17:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-07-28T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh, I see. In that case, of course, the question remains: how do I come up with the idea to search for a template named round? The category system allows navigation through a tree, which makes for much more natural discovery of categories. As for the catscan link: there is no catscan link when you're using the Cologne Blue skin, as I do ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-08-03T12:40:00.000Z-Tony_Wills-2007-08-03T09:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>To answer the question from the edit summary: <a href="/wiki/Category:Shapes" title="Category:Shapes">Category:Shapes</a> is a way of finding round, star-shaped, oval, whatever ... things. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-08-03T13:10:00.000Z-Tony_Wills-2007-08-03T09:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Move_request_for_Category:Round_forms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_request_for_Category:Round_forms-Category:Round_forms-2007-08-03T12:45:00.000Z">Move request for <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_forms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round forms (page does not exist)">Category:Round forms</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2007/07/Category:Round_forms&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Move request for Category:Round forms">edit</a>]</div> We have strayed a bit from the issue here: after the discussion above, does anyone oppose merging the three images from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_forms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round forms (page does not exist)">Category:Round forms</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Round" title="Category:Round">Category:Round</a>? In that case, we could close at least this particular discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-08-03T12:45:00.000Z-Move_request_for_Category:Round_forms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sounds sensible to me, then delete empty cat. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tony_Wills" title="User:Tony Wills">Tony Wills</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Tony_Wills-2007-08-03T13:25:00.000Z-Rimshot-2007-08-03T12:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi>, it will be speedily deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-08-04T12:36:00.000Z-Tony_Wills-2007-08-03T13:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. 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Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Black and white photographs of familly;Black and white photographs of families;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Black_and_white_photographs_of_group&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Black and white photographs of group (page does not exist)">Category:Black and white photographs of group</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Black_and_white_photographs_of_groups" title="Category:Black and white photographs of groups">Category:Black and white photographs of groups</a> (2,029 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Black and white photographs of group;Black and white photographs of groups;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2007/07#c-Rimshot-2007-07-28T10:42:00.000Z-Category:Black_and_white_photographs_of_familly" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" 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