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I\u0027m Major Garrett. In Washington tonight on America Decides, what is the signal and what is the noise? A journalist mistakenly received Trump administration war plans in advance of an attack on Houthis in Yemen, this stunning security lapse coming his way on an unsecured commercial app known as Signal. \nWas the information classified? Were laws broken? Could this lead to a shakeup within Trump\u0027s national security team? Among those texting about the secret plans, including, quote, \"operational details,\" unquote, were national security advisor Mike Wallace and defense secretary Pete Hegseth. \nNobody was texting war plans, and that\u0027s all I have to say about that. \nI inadvertently discovered a massive security breach in the way the national security establishment conducts its business. \nIt was not great timing for the Trump administration, but it was pretty good timing for all those with questions about this snafu. Today, top intelligence officials held their annual senate hearing on worldwide threats, and there, Democrats took the opportunity to push for more answers on this whole war plans chat group while Republicans worked, as best they were able, to minimize the damage. \nThis is one more example of the kind of sloppy, careless, incompetent behavior, particularly towards classified information. \nThis is not a good thing. Again, it will be up to the president to see how he how he wants to handle it. I\u0027m sure it\u0027s a mistake that\u0027s been corrected right now. \nSo many other questions. Had there been warnings, for example, from allies, from tech firms, and even from within the Pentagon about the dangers of using Signal to discuss any sensitive information or plans? And how about those US military raids against Houthi targets? Were they a success? \nThe White House says unequivocally yes, and adds, that\u0027s all that really matters. But who are the Houthis? What are they doing? And will this aggressive new Trump era military campaign against them reopen shipping or increase the risk of a wider Middle Eastern war? \nOur goal in the next hour-- sought out as much of this as possible. And of course, we will have the deluge of reaction from Capitol Hill and reminders about past political statements regarding the care required in handling classified information. I want to start tonight with Finn Gomez and James LaPorta and Nikole Killion. James, I want to start with you because you have brand new reporting on a bulletin issued regarding signal from the NSA. \nI do. So today, CBS News obtained a bulletin that went out to all NSA employees in February of 2025. So this is a month before the Houthi Signal chat was created. \nWhat this bulletin basically said was it detailed the vulnerabilities of using Signal, one of them being that they have information that Russian hacking groups are using Signal to send out phishing scams in order to bypass the encryption software that Signal uses to get into chat rooms. In that way, Russian hackers can see the actual chats, the messages going back and forth. It also detailed how even if it\u0027s unclassified information, it should not be on Signal whatsoever. Unclassified information, controlled unclassified information, or anything that dealing with for official use only information should not be on Signal period. \nSo this is a bulletin issued under the National Security Agency\u0027s aegis, the Trump administration\u0027s National Security Agency, to everyone who might think about using signal. \nCorrect. That\u0027s absolutely right. I mean, the NSA said, you know, use it to communicate with your families and your friends but not to share unclassified information, not to share troop movements and things like that, things that are not classified, things that are not on the top secret level. \nSo we mentioned this in the top of the show. John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard, two significant members of the Trump administration, the national security realm, were at the senate hearing and talked about this. Let\u0027s listen. \nMy communications, to be clear, in a Signal message group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information. \nThere was no classified material that was shared in that-- \nSo if there were no classified material, share it with the committee. \nSo, James, I\u0027m curious about this verbal effort today to minimize what this was because several people, including the president, have suggested this wasn\u0027t classified. \nRight. \nDoes that mean that there has been a retroactive declassification of it? Because it seems to me, based on my elemental knowledge of these kinds of plans, that in the moment, they are definitely classified. \nUS intelligence officials that I\u0027ve spoken to over the past day, members of the US military, anybody dealing with classified material, does not understand how talking about targeting plans is not classified. They don\u0027t understand that. \nTiming, munitions-- \nTiming, munitions, targets, potential collateral damage reports, things of that nature, there\u0027s no-- those are all on the secret or top secret level. But let\u0027s say for the sake of argument, they are. Let\u0027s say they are unclassified. \nAccording to the NSA bulletin, they\u0027re still violating cybersecurity protocols. They\u0027re still violating operational security protocols. So that\u0027s the NSA and according to intelligence officials and members of the military. So regardless if they\u0027re classified, they still feel that there\u0027s a violation. \nFinn, I want to get to you about what the implications are for national security advisor Mike Waltz in a moment, but I want to refresh all of our memories about past political statements from Republicans about the need to look out for classified information and to treat it with the utmost care. Let\u0027s play that. \nIt is irresponsible for an elected official in her capacity to be discussing highly sensitive things on a format that she had to have known was not fully secured. \nAnd the risk of that is? \nThe risk of that is that we\u0027re giving opponents of this government or adversaries an insight. \nDon\u0027t forget, there\u0027s 30,000 other emails that she said she deleted about yoga class and gifts. But the FBI has recovered a lot of those. If even a few of them contain classified, secret, or top secret information, that\u0027s even more damning. \nMany of us felt that there should have been a prosecution started with respect to Hillary Clinton regarding classified emails. \nYou will note, Finn Gomez, that all three of those sound bites come from current members of the national security team of the president of United States. \nAnd all three members were also in that Signal chat as well. \nThey were indeed. \nMajor, no, look. On Waltz-- \nYes. \n--you were asking about Waltz earlier. Like, we have talked to-- CBS News has talked to several sources close to the White House, close to the administration, on his future, if you will. And you know, from early on, he\u0027s had his detractors. \nSome have said he is not MAGA enough, that he\u0027s sort of a closet neocon, of course. But he has a fervent amount of support also within Trump world. We saw that since some of the outcry, some of this backlash-- the fallout, if you will-- since the Signal story broke. But they have circled the wagons around him. \nBut the president himself was asked about this, and he said that he does not think that Waltz should apologize. He\u0027s doing his best, and he called him a very good man. However, Major, he did ask him to look into this matter. \nYes, and the looking into part is the sound I want to play for the audience right now from the president with Mike Waltz, the national security advisor, sitting around the table. Let\u0027s listen. \nBut it\u0027s not a perfect technology. There is no perfect technology. The really good ones are very cumbersome, very hard to access. \nI don\u0027t think he should apologize. I think he\u0027s doing his best. It\u0027s equipment and technology that\u0027s not perfect, and probably, he won\u0027t be using it again. \nRead the body language there, Finn. \nThe body language is very Trumpian, I think, in the sense that he is he is supporting his guy, if you will. But at the same time, there\u0027s a little bit of distance there, right? And I think with-- you know, so I think privately, we have heard that Trump is upset about this. He was-- \nHe described it as a glitch in public. \nA glitch in public. But remember, as we know, Major-- \nThey don\u0027t acknowledge glitches. \nAnd Trump doesn\u0027t acknowledge mistakes. Very rarely does he make-- say, I am sorry, or there was a mistake made by administration or by my surrogates, because by saying that, by acknowledging that, it\u0027s a show of weakness. And that is something that President Trump does not like-- \nThis, of course, is a story that ricocheted all around capitol hill. So I want to bring in Nikole Killion to join us for a summation of the reaction from Capitol Hill. Nikole, it\u0027s great to see you. \nThanks for joining us. I want to play you kind of a gathering of Republicans outside of the Republican Capitol Hill club talking about this, and then I\u0027ll get you on the other side. Let\u0027s give it a listen. \nIt\u0027s either a horrible mistake, or someone did it on purpose to do somebody in, you know? My buddy Mike Waltz is a straight up guy, and he\u0027s a very honest, honorable. He\u0027s a patriot. \nWe all make mistakes. So I\u0027m sure that that was not something that he intended or something that he wanted to happen. 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You know, talking to senate armed services committee chair Roger Wicker, he did say that he\u0027s been talking to his counterpart on the committee, Jack Reed, that all options are on the table as far as they are concerned. So it is an issue where they might try to potentially hold a hearing in the future, seek more information, try to get a hold of that text thread if possible. \nAnd that is something that Leader Thune reiterated as well. So yes, while everybody acknowledges it was a mistake, there are some republicans who are willing to look into this further. Certainly, congressional Democrats have been very clear they believe that there should be some sort of congressional investigation. But more of those calls among Republicans tend to be on the Senate side. 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