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Michael Rotter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edits_for_draft_article_about_Prof._J._Michael_Rotter-20241127180500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Edits for draft article about Prof. J. Michael Rotter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AJSadowski-20241127180500-Edits_for_draft_article_about_Prof._J._Michael_Rotter"></span>Good afternoon <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a>. I have added as many secondary sources as are available to the draft article on Prof. Michael Rotter (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michael_Rotter">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michael_Rotter</a>). It is not a reasonable comment to dismiss Prof. Rotter's accomplishments by saying that the text 'reads like a CV' - there are other accepted Wikipedia articles which read even more like CVs (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Spencer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Spencer</a> and <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teng_Jin-guang">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teng_Jin-guang</a>) and have even shorter reference lists. The accomplishments are real, certainly noteworthy and in my view documented. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:AJSadowski" title="User:AJSadowski">AJSadowski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AJSadowski#top" title="User talk:AJSadowski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AJSadowski" title="Special:Contributions/AJSadowski">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-AJSadowski-20241127180500-Edits_for_draft_article_about_Prof._J._Michael_Rotter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AJSadowski-20241127180500-Edits_for_draft_article_about_Prof._J._Michael_Rotter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AJSadowski-20241127180500-Edits_for_draft_article_about_Prof._J._Michael_Rotter"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maxton_Rollerskate_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits-20240901205300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits-20240901205300"></span>Maxton Rollerskate edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits-20240901205300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Maxton Rollerskate edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kumboloi-20240901205300-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a>, I reverted your edits to this page. I was curious as to why you made the changes you did.<a href="/wiki/User:Kumboloi" title="User:Kumboloi">Kumboloi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kumboloi" title="User talk:Kumboloi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Kumboloi-20240901205300-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kumboloi-20240901205300-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kumboloi-20240901205300-Maxton_Rollerskate_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20240901212700-Kumboloi-20240901205300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kumboloi" title="User:Kumboloi">Kumboloi</a>:</span> I did notice that, and I didn't understand why you reverted them. My edits were to clean up the citations—removing unused parameters and adding archives to make them easier to check in case links change/rot. If you peruse <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Snowman304" title="Special:Contributions/Snowman304">my contributions</a>, you'll see thousands of similar changes. <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20240901212700-Kumboloi-20240901205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20240901212700-Kumboloi-20240901205300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20240901212700-Kumboloi-20240901205300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kumboloi-20240901220600-Snowman304-20240901212700"></span>That's what I suspected. It just seemed a little unusual to convert so many working references to archived items, and leave some. When I scanned through the changes, it also appeared that some author attributions were lost (although they may have just been moved). I also noticed some odd looking artifacts left, like "last=< !--Not stated-->", instead of "author=< !--Not stated-->". It looked like a script error. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Kumboloi" title="User:Kumboloi">Kumboloi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kumboloi" title="User talk:Kumboloi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Kumboloi-20240901220600-Snowman304-20240901212700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kumboloi-20240901220600-Snowman304-20240901212700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kumboloi-20240901220600-Snowman304-20240901212700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_accepted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce-20240902062700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce-20240902062700"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/wiki/Mosquito_Lake_State_Park" title="Mosquito Lake State Park">Mosquito Lake State Park</a> has been accepted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce-20240902062700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Your submission at Articles for creation: Mosquito Lake State Park has been accepted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border:solid 1px #57DB1E; background:#E6FFE6; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gobonobo-20240902062700-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/50px-AFC-Logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/75px-AFC-Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/100px-AFC-Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b><a href="/wiki/Mosquito_Lake_State_Park" title="Mosquito Lake State Park">Mosquito Lake State Park</a>, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.</b><br/> <p>Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions. <br/> </p><p>The article has been assessed as <b>Stub-Class</b>, which is recorded on its <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mosquito_Lake_State_Park" title="Talk:Mosquito Lake State Park">talk page</a>. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_development" title="Wikipedia:Article development">develop</a> over time. You may like to take a look at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Grading_scheme" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Grading scheme">grading scheme</a> to see how you can improve the article. </p> <div class="autoconfirmed-show">Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">create articles yourself</a> without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a> if you prefer.</div> <p>If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the <b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/New_question&withJS=MediaWiki:AFCHD-wizard.js&page=Mosquito_Lake_State_Park">help desk</a></span></b>.<span class="unconfirmed-show"> Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">create articles yourself</a> without posting a request to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>.</span> </p><p>If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/feedback"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/feedback&action=edit&section=new&editintro=Template:Feedback_editintro/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation&preload=Template:Feedback_preload/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation&preloadtitle=Feedback+from+%5B%5BUser%3A%7B%7Bsubst%3AREVISIONUSER%7D%7D%7C%7B%7Bsubst%3AREVISIONUSER%7D%7D%5D%5D+%28%7B%7Bsubst%3A%23time%3Aj+F+Y%7D%7D%29">leaving us some feedback</a></span>. </p><p>Thanks again, and happy editing! </p> <a href="/wiki/User:Gobonobo" title="User:Gobonobo"><span style="font-family:DejaVu Sans; color: #333300">gobonobo</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gobonobo" title="User talk:Gobonobo"><sup>+</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gobonobo" title="Special:Contributions/Gobonobo"><sup>c</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Gobonobo-20240902062700-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gobonobo-20240902062700-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gobonobo-20240902062700-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Mosquito_Lake_State_Park_has_been_acce"></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WPDX_(AM)" data-mw-thread-id="h-WPDX_(AM)-20240909014500"><span id="WPDX_.28AM.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WPDX_(AM)-20240909014500"></span>WPDX (AM)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WPDX_(AM)-20240909014500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: WPDX (AM)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neutralhomer-20240909014500-WPDX_(AM)"></span>Re: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WPDX_%28AM%29&oldid=prev&diff=1244763427">This edit</a>. </p><p>We/I have had a couple editors before say the information (ie: the facility ID number) was unsourced, hence the source. I understand that's a coding issue, but it's done to keep a vocal minority happy. I'll leave that up to you and Sammi. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Neutralhomer" title="User:Neutralhomer"><span style="color:#900;">Neutralhomer</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neutralhomer" title="User talk:Neutralhomer"><span style="color:Black;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Neutralhomer-20240909014500-WPDX_(AM)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neutralhomer-20240909014500-WPDX_(AM)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neutralhomer-20240909014500-WPDX_(AM)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter-20240911055400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter-20240911055400"></span>Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter-20240911055400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="position: relative; margin-left: 2em; margin-right: 2em; padding: 0.5em 1em; background-color: #dfeff3; text-color: #000000; border: 2px solid #bddff2; border-color: rgba( 109, 193, 240, 0.75 ); border-radius: 8px; box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px rgba( 0, 0, 0, 0.7 );"> <tbody><tr> <td><span style="font-size: 110%;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOCE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911055400-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter"></span>Guild of Copy Editors</a> September Newsletter</b></span> <div style="float:right; width: 75px; height: 60px;"></div> <div style="position: absolute; top: -20px; right: -12px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG/100px-Writing_Magnifying.PNG" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG 1.5x" data-file-width="140" data-file-height="140"/></span></span></div> <hr style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgba( 109, 193, 240, 0.75 );"/> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Copyeditors_progress.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Copyeditors_progress.png/220px-Copyeditors_progress.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="141" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Copyeditors_progress.png/330px-Copyeditors_progress.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Copyeditors_progress.png/440px-Copyeditors_progress.png 2x" data-file-width="1314" data-file-height="843"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello and welcome to the September newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. </p><p><b>Election news:</b> Project coordinators play an important role in our WikiProject. Following the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Coordinators/2024/2" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/2024/2">mid-year Election of Coordinators</a>, we welcomed <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mox_Eden">Mox Eden</a></span> to the coordinator team. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dhtwiki">Dhtwiki</a></span> remains as Lead Coordinator, and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miniapolis">Miniapolis</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wracking">Wracking</a></span> returned as assistant coordinators. If you'd like to help out behind the scenes, please consider taking part in our December election – watchlist our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors">ombox</a> for updates. Information about the role of coordinators can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Coordinators" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators">here</a>. </p><p><b>Blitz:</b> 13 of the 24 editors who signed up for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Blitzes/June_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/June 2024">June 2024 Copy Editing Blitz</a> copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 169,404 words comprising 41 articles. Barnstars awarded are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Blitzes/June_2024/Barnstars" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/June 2024/Barnstars">here</a>. </p><p><b>Drive:</b> 38 of the 59 editors who signed up for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/July_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2024">July 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive</a> copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 482,133 words comprising 293 articles. Barnstars awarded are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/July_2024/Barnstars" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2024/Barnstars">here</a>. </p><p><b>Blitz:</b> 10 of the 15 editors who signed up for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Blitzes/August_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/August 2024">August 2024 Copy Editing Blitz</a> copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 71,294 words comprising 31 articles. Barnstars awarded are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Blitzes/August_2024/Barnstars" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/August 2024/Barnstars">here</a>. </p><p><b>Drive:</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/September_2024#Signing_up" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/September 2024"><b>Sign up here</b></a> to earn barnstars in our month-long, in-progress September Backlog Elimination Drive. </p><p><b>Progress report:</b> As of 05:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 233 <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOCER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOCER">requests</a> since 1 January, and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,824 articles. </p><p>Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we do without you! Cheers from <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Baffle_gab1978">Baffle gab1978</a></span> and your GOCE coordinators <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dhtwiki">Dhtwiki</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miniapolis">Miniapolis</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mox_Eden">Mox Eden</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wracking">Wracking</a></span>. </p> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"> <small>To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Mailing_List" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Mailing List">our mailing list</a>.</small> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Message sent by <a href="/wiki/User:Baffle_gab1978" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Baffle gab1978">Baffle gab1978</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baffle_gab1978" title="User talk:Baffle gab1978">talk</a>) using <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911055400-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911055400-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911055400-Guild_of_Copy_Editors_September_Newsletter"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign" data-mw-thread-id="h-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign-20240914150600"><span id="CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha.27s_Caucasian_campaign"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign-20240914150600"></span>CS1 error on <a href="/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha%27s_Caucasian_campaign" title="Lala Mustafa Pasha's Caucasian campaign">Lala Mustafa Pasha's Caucasian campaign</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign-20240914150600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: CS1 error on Lala Mustafa Pasha's Caucasian campaign"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20240914150600-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" title="User:Qwerfjkl (bot)">Qwerfjkl (bot)</a>. I have <b>automatically detected</b> that <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1245690763" title="Special:Diff/1245690763">this edit</a> performed by you, on the page <a href="/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha%27s_Caucasian_campaign" title="Lala Mustafa Pasha's Caucasian campaign">Lala Mustafa Pasha's Caucasian campaign</a>, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows: </p> <ul><li>A <a href="/wiki/Category:CS1_errors:_missing_title" title="Category:CS1 errors: missing title">missing title</a> error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lala_Mustafa_Pasha%27s_Caucasian_campaign&action=edit&minor=minor&summary=Fixing+reference+error+raised+by+%5B%5BUser%3AQwerfjkl%20(bot)%7CQwerfjkl%20(bot)%5D%5D">Fix</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&preload=User:Qwerfjkl%20(bot)/helpform&preloadtitle=Referencing%20errors%20on%20%5B%5BSpecial%3ADiff%2F1245690763%7CLala%20Mustafa%20Pasha's%20Caucasian%20campaign%5D%5D">Ask for help</a>)</li></ul> <p>Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a <a href="/wiki/False_positive" class="mw-redirect" title="False positive">false positive</a>, you can <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:Qwerfjkl/Botpreload&editintro=User:Qwerfjkl/boteditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:Qwerfjkl&preloadtitle=Qwerfjkl%20(bot)%20–%20Snowman304&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Lala_Mustafa_Pasha%27s_Caucasian_campaign&preloadparams%5b%5d=1245690763">report it to my operator</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" title="User:Qwerfjkl (bot)">Qwerfjkl (bot)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Qwerfjkl (bot)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20240914150600-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20240914150600-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20240914150600-CS1_error_on_Lala_Mustafa_Pasha's_Caucasian_campaign"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="archive-url_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-archive-url_links-20240917135600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-archive-url_links-20240917135600"></span>archive-url links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-archive-url_links-20240917135600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: archive-url links"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600-archive-url_links"></span>Hi. Your bot archived links on <a href="/wiki/Helen_Levitt" title="Helen Levitt">Helen Levitt</a>. I don't see the advantage of the redundancy, when the web pages are fresh or obviously made to stay, like the MoMA pages. The reference just looks awful and unnecessarily technical. There is a link that works fine, the redundant archive-url is just irritating and disturbing. I certainly see the purpose, but the bot produces -beside the already described redundancies- also the illusion of good maintenance. I found several links (in this lemma) the bot added an archive-url to that were already dead or just a search box (instead of a find). Would you be at least able to make the archive-urls invisible as long as the original urls are live? This would be a good compromise, I think. (The wording "rescued" is pretentious anyway, if the link was visited the day before) <a href="/wiki/User:MenkinAlRire" title="User:MenkinAlRire">MenkinAlRire</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600-archive-url_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600-archive-url_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600-archive-url_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20240917141900-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600"></span>Hi there!</dd> <dd>It's not my bot, so I don't have control over its "pretentious" verbiage.</dd> <dd>Link rot happens all the time. There's even a whole page about it (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LINKROT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LINKROT">WP:LINKROT</a>). The archive-url is a <i>feature</i>, not a bug. You want people to be able to look at the references in 5, 10, 15 years from now, even if MoMA moves the pages or the New York Times puts the article behind a paywall. That's why, for example, the cited journal articles have DOIs.</dd> <dd>Is it a perfect system? Of course not. There are a few tweaks I'll have to make to what it output, e.g., the 404 errors it archived. But it's a lot better than leaving link rot to chance. <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20240917141900-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20240917141900-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20240917141900-MenkinAlRire-20240917135600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000-Snowman304-20240917141900"></span>My point was, if there wasn't a way to design it more discreet. It makes no sense to show an archive-url as long as the original link works. As a reader I really don't want to see a technicality, it's unnerving to read and try to understand why there has to be two or even three or four links for one reference, especially when they are unchecked.</dd> <dd>It seems to me, that technical principles, the bureaucratic aspect rules over the actual experience to read and work with WP. The design is everything else but elegant. This is certainly true for all the formulas urls are archived with, they usually result in redundancies that make no sense and hurt the eye (and the brain). It's not a bug, but it looks like one, and in the cases I meant it isn't a feature either. I would expect the NYT and the MoMA as well would announce such a move beforehand. But I expect too, that it's (more) complicated, and the vast WP has to use all bots it can get. <a href="/wiki/User:MenkinAlRire" title="User:MenkinAlRire">MenkinAlRire</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000-Snowman304-20240917141900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000-Snowman304-20240917141900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000-Snowman304-20240917141900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20240917162100-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000"></span>Well, that's all well beyond my pay grade (as a volunteer). Go take it up on <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Citation_Style_1" title="Help talk:Citation Style 1">Help talk:Citation Style 1</a> or something. <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20240917162100-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20240917162100-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20240917162100-MenkinAlRire-20240917160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917165800-Snowman304-20240917162100"></span>Yeah, I wanted to add something in that sense./ <a href="/wiki/User:MenkinAlRire" title="User:MenkinAlRire">MenkinAlRire</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-MenkinAlRire-20240917165800-Snowman304-20240917162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917165800-Snowman304-20240917162100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MenkinAlRire-20240917165800-Snowman304-20240917162100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE-20240925180100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE-20240925180100"></span>The wrong use of PHOBILE<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE-20240925180100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: The wrong use of PHOBILE"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fdom5997-20240925180100-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE"></span>I just want to let you be aware, the PHOBILE is <b>never</b> a reliable source to use when adding info on the phonology. It is primarily only based on second-hand interpretations of sources, and does not provide enough detailed information either. <a href="/wiki/User:Fdom5997" title="User:Fdom5997">Fdom5997</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fdom5997" title="User talk:Fdom5997">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Fdom5997-20240925180100-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fdom5997-20240925180100-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fdom5997-20240925180100-The_wrong_use_of_PHOBILE"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20240925211300-Fdom5997-20240925180100"></span>Gotcha! 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I am fairly new to Wikipedia editing and I found that there has been very little activity from the Chicago Wikipedia user group since 2020. </p><p>I'd like to host a casual meetup in Chicago to celebrate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle/Wikidata_Day_2024" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle/Wikidata Day 2024">Wikidata Day</a> on Saturday, October 26. </p><p>Proposed location is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://enginecoffee.net/">Engine Coffee</a> in the Wicker Park/West Town area, at 11AM. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago/26_October_2024" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago/26 October 2024">Here is the official meetup page</a>, where you can add yourself as an attendee. </p><p><small>(If you would prefer not to see messages like this, go ahead and take yourself off <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago/Invite_list" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago/Invite list">this list</a>.)</small> </p><p>Hope to see you all there! </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241007224600-Chicago_Meetup_for_Wikidata_Day" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241007224600-Chicago_Meetup_for_Wikidata_Day"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241007224600-Chicago_Meetup_for_Wikidata_Day"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_St._Henry_Cemetery_has_been_accepted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_St._Henry_Cemetery_has_been_accepted-20241011155600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_St._Henry_Cemetery_has_been_accepted-20241011155600"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/wiki/St._Henry_Cemetery" title="St. Henry Cemetery">St. Henry Cemetery</a> has been accepted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_St._Henry_Cemetery_has_been_accepted-20241011155600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Your submission at Articles for creation: St. Henry Cemetery has been accepted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border:solid 1px #57DB1E; background:#E6FFE6; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tavantius-20241011155600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_St._Henry_Cemetery_has_been_accepted"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/50px-AFC-Logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/75px-AFC-Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/100px-AFC-Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b><a href="/wiki/St._Henry_Cemetery" title="St. Henry Cemetery">St. Henry Cemetery</a>, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.</b><br/> <p>Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" title="User:Qwerfjkl (bot)">Qwerfjkl (bot)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Qwerfjkl (bot)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241014034200-CS1_error_on_Socialist_Reich_Party" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241014034200-CS1_error_on_Socialist_Reich_Party"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241014034200-CS1_error_on_Socialist_Reich_Party"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft_:_House_of_Hasib" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib-20241022130600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib-20241022130600"></span>Draft : House of Hasib<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib-20241022130600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Draft : House of Hasib"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fuzayl1-20241022130600-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib"></span>Hi, The Tree will be formatted as required but can your mark the point where more citations are needed. Just (Citation Needed) beside the points and I will do the rest. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fuzayl1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fuzayl1 (page does not exist)">Fuzayl1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fuzayl1" title="User talk:Fuzayl1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Fuzayl1-20241022130600-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fuzayl1-20241022130600-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fuzayl1-20241022130600-Draft_:_House_of_Hasib"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfC_declines" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfC_declines-20241023160300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfC_declines-20241023160300"></span>AfC declines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfC_declines-20241023160300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: AfC declines"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241023160300-AfC_declines"></span>Hi there, thanks so much for volunteering to help out with the AfC backlog! I've resubmitted and accepted a draft you declined, <a href="/wiki/Truncated_Triangular_Pyramid_Number" class="mw-redirect" title="Truncated Triangular Pyramid Number">Truncated Triangular Pyramid Number</a>. We're not looking for perfection, just whether something is totally unsuitable or not and whether it would survive a deletion discussion. When you're looking at a draft of something that looks notable but has unreferenced bits, you can simply accept it (add maintenance tags if you like), or remove the unclearly sourced content if it's particularly problematic. Declining drafts that are mostly fine confuses and frustrates newbies, and once the articles are in mainspace they're more likely to get help from other more experienced editors, so the aim here is to move to mainspace unless they're not notable or a total disaster. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Asilvering-20241023160300-AfC_declines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241023160300-AfC_declines"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241023160300-AfC_declines"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20241023235400-Asilvering-20241023160300"></span>Whoops, I aimed my standards a little too high. I definitely wasn't looking at it through the eyes of a newbie. 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So he was head of the ISI's Afghan bureau. That's the only cited fact in this stub. What did he do during that time? The CIA and the Saudis got involved, but what did he (and/or the ISI) do?</dd> <dd>Why is his book notable? Anybody can write a book. Is it about what he did? Is it a retrospective on the war? Has anyone written a review on it in an academic journal or other reviewed source? <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20241024001900-MyIP19216811-20241023214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20241024001900-MyIP19216811-20241023214800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20241024001900-MyIP19216811-20241023214800"></span></dd></dl> <p>The Yousaf is was verified by three separate credible sources as the ISI lead person in one of the most significant organizations involved in a conflict whose consequences are ongoing. His two books are cited in other Wikipedia articles. I realize that the article I created was rather short but at the risk of whataboutism I have seen articles with fewer citations for less notable people. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CS1_error_on_Why@Doll" data-mw-thread-id="h-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll-20241030014500"><span id="CS1_error_on_Why.40Doll"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll-20241030014500"></span>CS1 error on <a href="/wiki/Why@Doll" title="Why@Doll">Why@Doll</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll-20241030014500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: CS1 error on Why@Doll"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241030014500-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" title="User:Qwerfjkl (bot)">Qwerfjkl (bot)</a>. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" title="User:Qwerfjkl (bot)">Qwerfjkl (bot)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qwerfjkl_(bot)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Qwerfjkl (bot)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241030014500-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241030014500-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20241030014500-CS1_error_on_Why@Doll"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghost_(Official)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos-20241030041000"><span id="Request_on_04:10:48.2C_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghost_.28Official.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos-20241030041000"></span>Request on 04:10:48, 30 October 2024 for assistance on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">AfC</a> submission by Bitghost (Official)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos-20241030041000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Request on 04:10:48, 30 October 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Bitghost (Official)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="anchor" id="04:10:48,_30_October_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bitghost_(Official)"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bitghost_(Official)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bitghost (Official) (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos"></span>Bitghost (Official)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bitghost_(Official)" title="User talk:Bitghost (Official)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bitghost_(Official)" title="Special:Contributions/Bitghost (Official)">contribs</a>) <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Lee_Brovitz" title="Draft:Lee Brovitz">Draft:Lee Brovitz</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Lee_Brovitz&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Lee_Brovitz" title="Draft talk:Lee Brovitz">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Lee_Brovitz&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Lee_Brovitz">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Lee_Brovitz&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALee+Brovitz">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><br/> </p><p>This article is supported by credible references and should be approved. These articles are all reputable and support the fame of this artist. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bitghost_(Official)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bitghost (Official) (page does not exist)">Bitghost (Official)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bitghost_(Official)" title="User talk:Bitghost (Official)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000-Request_on_04:10:48,_30_October_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Bitghos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20241030041800-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000"></span>There are exactly zero citations in the "Career" section. There are only two in "Early life". Also, most of the discography is unsourced. The hyperlinked bits of the references mostly seem to be quotes and not the titles of the webpage or article.</dd> <dd>In short, this article is not ready for prime time and should stay in draftspace. The citations are currently not enough. The lead section is better sourced than the body, and that's a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20241030041800-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20241030041800-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20241030041800-Bitghost_(Official)-20241030041000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yeshayahu_Folman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yeshayahu_Folman-20241031084400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yeshayahu_Folman-20241031084400"></span>Yeshayahu Folman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yeshayahu_Folman-20241031084400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Yeshayahu Folman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400-Yeshayahu_Folman"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304">Snowman304</a>, You have declined my draft and that is following me removing all asked. Please point me to what isnt sourced...? Also, why decline and not ask for changes? I mean, he is worthy and it seems unfair. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User:Shahar Navon new">Shahar Navon new</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User talk:Shahar Navon new">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400-Yeshayahu_Folman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400-Yeshayahu_Folman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400-Yeshayahu_Folman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20241031125500-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User:Shahar Navon new">Shahar Navon new</a> It's because basic things like his birthday (as one example) don't have citations. Another editor declined the article in June and there are still citation issues. I agree that he probably should have an article. But this version isn't ready yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20241031125500-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20241031125500-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20241031125500-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031084400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800-Snowman304-20241031125500"></span>Thank you very much! can you tell me what should be removed? since Yeshayahu was born in 1934, i cant think of a source for that... I searched many articles and i didnt see sources for DOB so if you can point me to what should be removed, I will do it and resubmit. Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User:Shahar Navon new">Shahar Navon new</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User talk:Shahar Navon new">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800-Snowman304-20241031125500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800-Snowman304-20241031125500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800-Snowman304-20241031125500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20241102195600-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800"></span>Have you been able to find an obituary? Do any of the sources mention an age? If we don't have an exact date or even year, there's <a href="/wiki/Template:Birth_based_on_age_as_of_date" title="Template:Birth based on age as of date">Template:Birth based on age as of date</a>. So if you can find something that says he died at 88 in 2022, you could do {{Birth based on age at death|88|2022}} and get <code>1933 or 1934</code>. You could then use <a href="/wiki/Template:Death_date_and_given_age" title="Template:Death date and given age">Template:Death date and given age</a> with that same source.</dd> <dd>Again, this is only one fact in the article that still needs citation. <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20241102195600-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20241102195600-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20241102195600-Shahar_Navon_new-20241031151800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241106114500-Snowman304-20241102195600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304">Snowman304</a> Hello, yes I have the death certificate but its a PDF file, also I dont think it's should be on the net, can I maybe send it to you to see?</dd> <dd>As for his death, there are sources such as <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://kenes-media.com/%d7%94%d7%90%d7%99%d7%a9-%d7%a9%d7%a9%d7%99%d7%a0%d7%94-%d7%90%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%9e%d7%93%d7%93-%d7%9c%d7%97%d7%9c%d7%95%d7%a7%d7%aa-%d7%9e%d7%a2%d7%a0%d7%a7%d7%99-%d7%9e%d7%97%d7%a7%d7%a8/">https://kenes-media.com/%d7%94%d7%90%d7%99%d7%a9-%d7%a9%d7%a9%d7%99%d7%a0%d7%94-%d7%90%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%9e%d7%93%d7%93-%d7%9c%d7%97%d7%9c%d7%95%d7%a7%d7%aa-%d7%9e%d7%a2%d7%a0%d7%a7%d7%99-%d7%9e%d7%97%d7%a7%d7%a8/</a> saying "Professor Isaiah Pullman died in the first week of this month and is 88 years old." is that enough? <a href="/wiki/User:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User:Shahar Navon new">Shahar Navon new</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shahar_Navon_new" title="User talk:Shahar Navon new">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241106114500-Snowman304-20241102195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241106114500-Snowman304-20241102195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shahar_Navon_new-20241106114500-Snowman304-20241102195600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:_Roy_William_Harris" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris-20241031151200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris-20241031151200"></span>Draft: Roy William Harris<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris-20241031151200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Draft: Roy William Harris"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Refineryguycanada-20241031151200-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris"></span>Hello @snowman304, you rejected my draft on Will Harris <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Roy_William_Harris">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Roy_William_Harris</a> a few days ago (on the basis of an empty section and it being light on references). I do not disagree with your assessment and your feedback is accurate. I have been frustrated by the paywalls and lack of good research material. Will Harris was really big news 25 years ago in the energy industry. He is notable for a $200 million fraud on Chase Bank (back when this was one of the biggest financial crimes ever committed) and was also the first RICO-type legal case against a corporation. In RICO cases, they take away all of your financial resources upfront. He basically ended up with a public defender/pro bono lawyer and was found guilty to all sorts of things that would probably not be today. I would hope that more resources will be available in the future with ExCo privileges. It would be really helpful to get a few other editors involved in review as there are things that I am limited in knowing about Will Harris from the outside looking in. Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated. The best sources that I have are on old Bloomberg article and the text of a couple of his appeals to his sentencing. Apparently, a lawyer worked on his case (pro-bono again) for like a decade. <a href="/wiki/User:Refineryguycanada" title="User:Refineryguycanada">Refineryguycanada</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Refineryguycanada" title="User talk:Refineryguycanada">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Refineryguycanada-20241031151200-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Refineryguycanada-20241031151200-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Refineryguycanada-20241031151200-Draft:_Roy_William_Harris"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anthropophage_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anthropophage_page-20241102192200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anthropophage_page-20241102192200"></span>Anthropophage page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anthropophage_page-20241102192200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Anthropophage page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RCSCott91-20241102192200-Anthropophage_page"></span>Undoing your revert. The page is the literal source that Anthropophagi is being cited. I simply made a more usable and precise citation that links to the archived (public domain) digital copy. See source below my citation. <a href="/wiki/User:RCSCott91" title="User:RCSCott91">RCSCott91</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RCSCott91" title="User talk:RCSCott91">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-RCSCott91-20241102192200-Anthropophage_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RCSCott91-20241102192200-Anthropophage_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RCSCott91-20241102192200-Anthropophage_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowman304-20241102194800-RCSCott91-20241102192200"></span>I was a little hasty in my reversion, and I'm sure that was annoying. The Internet Archive's search functions are still a bit wonky (likely due to the hacks and such), and I missed it when reading. One thing that will help in the future is, when citing an encyclopedia, using <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_encyclopedia" title="Template:Cite encyclopedia">Template:Cite encyclopedia</a>. That way you can include both the entry (under <code>|title=</code>) and the encyclopedia (under <code>|encyclopedia=</code>). <a href="/wiki/User:Snowman304" title="User:Snowman304"><b>Snowman304</b></a><b>|</b><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-Snowman304-20241102194800-RCSCott91-20241102192200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowman304-20241102194800-RCSCott91-20241102192200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowman304-20241102194800-RCSCott91-20241102192200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RCSCott91-20241103003700-Snowman304-20241102194800"></span>I don't blame you, there is a ton of vandalism and bad edits, with limited time; friendly fire happens. Yes, I'm so happy the archive is finally back up, stupid people doing stupid things.</dd> <dd>Thank you for that info. I wasn't even thinking of cyclopaedia like that when it is literally one of the first modern encyclopedias. <a href="/wiki/User:RCSCott91" title="User:RCSCott91">RCSCott91</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RCSCott91" title="User talk:RCSCott91">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snowman304#c-RCSCott91-20241103003700-Snowman304-20241102194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RCSCott91-20241103003700-Snowman304-20241102194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RCSCott91-20241103003700-Snowman304-20241102194800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Orville_Peck:_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Orville_Peck:_references-20241102225800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Orville_Peck:_references-20241102225800"></span>Orville Peck: references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Orville_Peck:_references-20241102225800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Snowman304&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Orville Peck: references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walter_Tau-20241102225800-Orville_Peck:_references"></span>Dear Snowman304: What an impressive list of contributions you have! Thank you for being a veteran Wikipedian. Regarding your comment "That's not how we do references" => do you think, you would make a better contribution to Wikipedia and Wiki-community in general, if you point out to a description of "how we do references"? Or better yet, fix these references yourself- i.e. doing an actual work rather the destroying the contributions of others, who spent time on doing actual work? </p><p>Also, despite your numerous contributions, it seems, that you misunderstand how collaboration on Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CO">WP:CO</a> works. My ecological function as a <a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiDragon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="WikiDragon (page does not exist)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiDragon</a> is to "vomit up the universe" (i.e. to create the first draft of an article or to add substantial new features to an exiting article). Afterwards, other <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikifauna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikifauna (page does not exist)">wikifauna</a>, such as [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiElf%7CWikiElves">[1]</a>] and [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiGnome%7CWikiGnomes">[2]</a>] take over. If you do not want to work yourself, please mark the section, that needs improvement with specific instructions for wiki-gnomes. 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