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He dropped out after two days when accusations about his Wikipedia editing were resurfaced. But other stories might be attributed to <a href="/wiki/Silly_season" title="Silly season">silly season</a>, the time of year when journalists create odd stories just to fill up space when there's little real news to cover. Dog days and silly season often occur about the same time, but dog days have traditional dates that amateur astronomers generally use, while silly season is a <a href="/wiki/Movable_feast" class="mw-redirect" title="Movable feast">movable feast</a>. Please let us know in the comments section which of the stories you think are part of silly season, and which are real news stories. Feel free to comment on the illustrations as well. – <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Sb</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Irish_High_Court_not_influenced_by_Wikipedia_says_anon_High_Court_source" data-mw-thread-id="h-Irish_High_Court_not_influenced_by_Wikipedia_says_anon_High_Court_source-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Irish_High_Court_not_influenced_by_Wikipedia_says_anon_High_Court_source-signpost-article-title"></span>Irish High Court not influenced by Wikipedia says anon High Court source<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Irish_High_Court_not_influenced_by_Wikipedia_says_anon_High_Court_source-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG/200px-Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG" decoding="async" width="200" height="287" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG/300px-Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG/400px-Dublin_Castle_Gates_of_Fortitude_and_Justice_05.JPG 2x" data-file-width="3216" data-file-height="4608"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Do Wikipedia articles influence court decisions?</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p><i><a href="/wiki/The_Irish_Times" title="The Irish Times">The Irish Times</a></i> reports that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/07/27/research-suggesting-wikipedia-may-influence-legal-reasoning-of-irish-judges-clearly-wrong/"><i>Research suggesting Wikipedia may influence legal reasoning of Irish judges 'clearly wrong<span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span></i></a> mainly citing one unnamed source at the High Court. Their complaint is against the conclusions of a chapter to be published in <i>The Cambridge Handbook of Experimental Jurisprudence</i> (Cambridge University Press, 2022), titled <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4174200">"Trial by Internet: A Randomized Field Experiment on Wikipedia’s Influence on Judges’ Legal Reasoning"</a>. </p><p>The offended dignity of the High Court judges, as conveyed by the High Court anon, might seem to miss the mark. Using a classic experimental design, the first conclusion in the chapter merely shows that the presence of a Wikipedia article on an Irish case increases the frequency of that case being cited later. This would by itself say nothing about whether the judges read Wikipedia to write their opinions. The mechanism of the Wikipedia article's influence could be, as suggested by the anon, that the lawyers read Wikipedia and incorporate the good material into their briefs, which the judges properly study. Other indirect mechanisms of influence are also possible, for example, via interns, clerks, law school lectures, or just a generally more legally literate public. </p><p>But the chapter's authors take their analysis a step further. Via a linguistic analysis they test whether the wording of the judges is similar to the wording of the Wikipedia articles. They find that it is, even after removing phrases that quote or paraphrase the cited opinion. High Court judges, you may now properly consider your dignity to be offended. This section on linguistic analysis – rather than the classic randomized control trial – is the key to the chapter. </p><p>The authors' interpretations and many reactions to the chapter focus on the perceived threat that an unethical lawyer could bias a Wikipedia article to favor their clients. Yes, that is a theoretical possibility in the future, but there is no evidence in the chapter that this has already happened, and the article writers for the study itself were mostly law students, presumably not yet ruined by practical legal ethics. </p><p>The study may have other issues. The authors did the equivalent of <a href="/wiki/Search_engine_optimization" title="Search engine optimization">search engine optimization</a> by adding infoboxes and short description to the Wikipedia articles, to make sure they appeared near the top of search results. So does this show that Wikipedia really has a strong influence on justice, or simply demonstrate that cases that show up when you search for terms related to them are more likely to be cited?<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>7<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>8<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>9<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>In any case, it's not unprecedented for judges to cite Wikipedia in judicial opinions: in August 2012, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-20/In_the_news" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-08-20/In the news"><i>The Signpost</i> reported</a> on how U.S. courts praised Wikipedia, and referenced back to citations of Wikipedia in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-07-03/Wikipedia_cited_by_the_England_and_Wales_High_Court" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-07-03/Wikipedia cited by the England and Wales High Court">the England and Wales High Court and other U.K. courts</a>, U.S. courts, and even the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-01-29/Court_citations" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-01-29/Court citations"> European Court of Human Rights and a German patent tribunal.</a> <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Sb</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">AC</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Recession_semi-protected" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recession_semi-protected-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recession_semi-protected-signpost-article-title"></span>Recession semi-protected<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recession_semi-protected-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i>See this month's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/Op-Ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Op-Ed">Op-Ed: The "recession" affair</a></i></dd></dl> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.npr.org/2022/07/29/1114599942/wikipedia-recession-edits">National Public Radio</a>, and many other outlets which <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">run the gamut of reliability</a>,<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>10<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>11<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>12<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-13"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>13<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-14" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-14"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>14<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-15"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>15<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-16" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-16"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>16<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-17" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-17"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>17<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-18"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>18<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-19" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-19"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>19<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-20" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-20"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>20<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-21" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-21"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>21<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-22" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-22"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>22<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> report on how the Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Recession" title="Recession">recession</a> article has been semi-protected over an argument about the definition of "recession." Note that the NPR story was significantly modified on July 30, including an explanation from <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a></span>. The argument began when the Commerce Department reported that the US GDP has gone down for two quarters in a row. This measure is a traditional indicator used in part by the <a href="/wiki/NBER" class="mw-redirect" title="NBER">NBER</a> to define "recession". U.S. President Joe Biden and other administration officials have said that the current situation is not typical of a recession. A few Wiki editors disagreed and tried, against stiff opposition, to refine the definition. Meanwhile <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-30&pages=Recession">pageviews for the article</a> rose to over 200,000 in one day, perhaps because of the possibility that the U.S. is in a recession, or perhaps because our readers expect Wikipedia to be the arbiter of the media tempest over the definition of recession. As usual the NBER is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/27/who-decides-recession/">expected</a> to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nber.org/research/business-cycle-dating/business-cycle-dating-committee-announcements">take their time</a> in making their pronouncement. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="The_threat_of_censorship:_"You_get_used_to_it"" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_threat_of_censorship:_"You_get_used_to_it"-signpost-article-title"><span id="The_threat_of_censorship:_.22You_get_used_to_it.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_threat_of_censorship:_"You_get_used_to_it"-signpost-article-title"></span><span class="anchor" id="ThreatOfCensorship"></span>The threat of censorship: "You get used to it"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_threat_of_censorship:_"You_get_used_to_it"-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg/200px-Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg/300px-Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg/400px-Stas_Kozlovskiy.jpg 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="720"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Wikimedia Russia director Stanislav Kozlovsky</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/you-get-used-to-it">Meduza</a>, an independent Russian news site that's banned in Russia but publishes outside of Russia, interviewed Wikimedia RU director Stanislav Kozlovsky about Russian censorship. His surprising response is "When someone points a gun at you for ten years straight, you get used to it." </p><p>Kozlovsky points out several facts that may surprise western Wikipedians: </p> <ul><li>In 2013 Wikipedia was placed on the registry of banned websites and the web site could be blocked in Russia at any time.</li> <li>The Russian chapter does not legally represent the Wikipedia Foundation in Russia and are not actively involved in the current disputes between the WMF and the Russian government.</li> <li>The Russia censor <a href="/wiki/Roskomnadzor" title="Roskomnadzor">Roskomnadzor</a> used to discuss articles with the chapter several years ago, but mostly leaves them alone now.</li></ul> <p>This month Roskomnadzor announced that Russian search engines must put a warning label on Wikipedia articles. Kozlovsky said "The statement from Roskomnadzor’s press service is nothing but a fantasy from their press secretary, and I don’t think it’s going to have any effect on user demand [for Wikipedia]." </p><p>If Wikipedia were blocked in Russia, readers could still access the site from mirror sites or <a href="/wiki/Virtual_private_network" title="Virtual private network">virtual private networks</a>. Editing from within Russia might be cut off or slowed, but that would leave the site open to Ukrainian editors. <i>The Signpost</i> will add that many other editors from former Soviet republics, Israel, and the Russian diaspora in Europe and North America could also edit. In short, Russia has nothing to gain from blocking Wikipedia. </p><p>"The pressure on us right now is just another charade from Roskomnadzor," according to Kozlovsky. "I also think Wikipedia provides more value to Russia than the Science Ministry, the Education Ministry, and the Culture Ministry put together." <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">S</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Is_Wikipedia_a_social_network?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_Wikipedia_a_social_network?-signpost-article-title"><span id="Is_Wikipedia_a_social_network.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_Wikipedia_a_social_network?-signpost-article-title"></span>Is Wikipedia a social network?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_Wikipedia_a_social_network?-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>Writing in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/08/opinion/i-quit-twitter-now-i-browse-edit-wars-wikipedia/"><i>The Boston Globe</i></a>, Shaun Cammack argues that Wikipedia is in many ways not much different from social media. "Wikipedia is a social media platform where user-generated opinions and interpretations battle it out in a game of popularity and attrition – just like Twitter," he writes. What makes it different than Twitter? Per Cammack, "Conflicts on Twitter proceed as though there were a single record that logs the conclusions of our collective debate. We like to imagine Twitter as a floating metaphysical ledger waiting for that final word. That’s why we dunk on people, fact-check, and correct the record: We think we’re in a reality war and there can be only one winner. But the imperative 'We all have to get on the same page' is literal on Wikipedia. It manifests that imagined ledger as a visible page on which the winning opinion is made concrete and true. And so it might be the most real and significant social media platform of all." <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Mhawk10" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mhawk10">M</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="The_great_Chinese_history_hoax" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_great_Chinese_history_hoax-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_great_Chinese_history_hoax-signpost-article-title"></span><span class="anchor" id="Chinese_history"></span> The great Chinese history hoax<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_great_Chinese_history_hoax-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg/300px-1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="178" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg/450px-1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg/600px-1611_tatars_rebellion.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2073" data-file-height="1233"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">A fictional map drawn by 折毛 for one of her Wikipedia articles</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p><i><a href="/wiki/Sixth_Tone" title="Sixth Tone">Sixth Tone</a></i>, an English-language online magazine published by the <a href="/wiki/Shanghai_United_Media_Group" title="Shanghai United Media Group">Shanghai United Media Group</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1010653/she-spent-a-decade-writing-fake-russian-history.-wikipedia-just-noticed">reported</a> on 28 June that "A Chinese woman created over 200 fictional articles on Chinese Wikipedia, writing millions of words of imagined history that went unnoticed for more than 10 years." The hoaxer, <a href="/wiki/User:%E6%8A%98%E6%AF%9B" title="User:折毛">User:折毛</a> (transliterated "Zhemao"), was dubbed "China's <a href="/wiki/Jorge_Luis_Borges#Hoaxes_and_forgeries" title="Jorge Luis Borges">Borges</a>" online, based on the intricacy of her work, which involved faked sourcing and the use of a number of sockpuppets. The story was subsequently picked up by outlets including the <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://lithub.com/a-chinese-borges-wrote-millions-of-words-of-fake-russian-history-on-wikipedia-for-a-decade/">Literary Hub</a></i> (June 28), <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://boingboing.net/2022/07/07/chinese-woman-spent-a-decade-building-borgesian-fake-russian-history-on-wikipedia.html">Boing Boing</a></i> (July 7), <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgbwm/chinese-woman-fake-russian-history-wikipedia">Vice</a></i> (July 13) and <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.engadget.com/chinese-wikipedia-editor-fake-russian-medieval-history-122001604.html">Engadget</a></i> (July 14). </p><p>Much like the hoaxer reponsible for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia/Bicholim_conflict" title="Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Bicholim conflict">Bicholim conflict</a> article (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-28/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-28/In the media">previous <i>Signpost</i> coverage</a>), Zhemao successfully nominated one of her articles, on <a href="/wiki/Deportation_of_Chinese_in_the_Soviet_Union" class="mw-redirect" title="Deportation of Chinese in the Soviet Union">Deportation of Chinese in the Soviet Union</a>, for a quality assessment, winning <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">FA</a> status in the Chinese Wikipedia. As a result, a translation of her article was included in the English, Arabic, Russian, Ukrainian and Romanian Wikipedias. The English and Russian versions were substantially revised once the hoax became public; the other language versions have seen no substantial editing to date. </p><p>For internal discussions see: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fabricated_articles_and_hoaxes_of_Russia_in_2022" title="Wikipedia:Fabricated articles and hoaxes of Russia in 2022">Wikipedia:Fabricated articles and hoaxes of Russia in 2022</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1102#An_urgent_report_about_a_user:折毛's_hoaxes" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1102">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1102#An urgent report about a user:折毛's hoaxes</a></li> <li><a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2022%E5%B9%B4%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E7%9B%B8%E9%97%9C%E6%A2%9D%E7%9B%AE%E5%81%BD%E9%80%A0%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6" class="extiw" title="zh:Wikipedia:2022年歷史相關條目偽造事件">zh:Wikipedia:2022年歷史相關條目偽造事件</a></li></ul> <p>Zhemao posted an <a href="/wiki/User:%E6%8A%98%E6%AF%9B" title="User:折毛">apology</a> in Chinese on her English user page explaining how her actions, initially innocuous, grew out of control. The event is now the subject of a dedicated Wikipedia article, which contains further detail: <a href="/wiki/Zhemao_hoaxes" title="Zhemao hoaxes">Zhemao hoaxes</a>. <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466">AK</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CEO_Maryana_Iskander_interviewed" data-mw-thread-id="h-CEO_Maryana_Iskander_interviewed-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CEO_Maryana_Iskander_interviewed-signpost-article-title"></span>CEO Maryana Iskander interviewed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CEO_Maryana_Iskander_interviewed-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Maryana_Iskander_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Maryana_Iskander_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Maryana_Iskander_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="202" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Maryana_Iskander_%28cropped%29.jpg/300px-Maryana_Iskander_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Maryana_Iskander_%28cropped%29.jpg/400px-Maryana_Iskander_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2426" data-file-height="2454"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Wikimedia CEO <a href="/wiki/Maryana_Iskander" title="Maryana Iskander">Maryana Iskander</a> was interviewed this month in the <i><a href="/wiki/San_Francisco_Examiner" title="San Francisco Examiner">San Francisco Examiner</a></i></div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p>The <i><a href="/wiki/San_Francisco_Examiner" title="San Francisco Examiner">San Francisco Examiner</a></i> published a long <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/what-does-the-ceo-who-oversees-wikipedia-do-we-ask-her/article_a7ab64fe-084d-11ed-830c-77f61ed96d7d.html">interview</a> with WMF CEO <a href="/wiki/Maryana_Iskander" title="Maryana Iskander">Maryana Iskander</a>. The 14 questions seem very basic, for example, "What’s the Wikimedia Foundation?", and "Isn’t Jimmy Wales the head of Wikipedia?" Her answers are short and direct and to a very large extent could be used for a great introduction for newbies to Wikipedia. But experienced editors might quibble with some of her answers. </p><p><b>"So how many people get paid and are professional editors of Wikipedia?"</b> Iskander presents the Wikipedia ideal of every editor being an unpaid volunteer. It would be nice, when asked a direct question about paid editors, if she would address our terrible problem with paid editors who use Wikipedia for advertising or otherwise bias our content. This is a major question about the encyclopedia's credibility. Perhaps such a simple interview is not the best place to address this problem, but Wikipedia editors deserve an answer somewhere. </p><p>Similarly difficult issues, such as the overall gender gap, or the lack of non-white editors in the US are not mentioned. In these cases the interviewer did not ask the questions, but even so Iskander could have brought up major challenges herself. Wikipedia did not become a great encyclopedia by avoiding tough issues. <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">S</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Facebook_experiments_with_Wikipedia_fact-checking,_partners_with_Wikimedia_on_translation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Facebook_experiments_with_Wikipedia_fact-checking,_partners_with_Wikimedia_on_tr-signpost-article-title"><span id="Facebook_experiments_with_Wikipedia_fact-checking.2C_partners_with_Wikimedia_on_translation"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Facebook_experiments_with_Wikipedia_fact-checking,_partners_with_Wikimedia_on_tr-signpost-article-title"></span>Facebook experiments with Wikipedia fact-checking, partners with Wikimedia on translation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Facebook_experiments_with_Wikipedia_fact-checking,_partners_with_Wikimedia_on_tr-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg/300px-Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="300" height="60" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg/450px-Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg/600px-Meta_Platforms_Inc._logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="948" data-file-height="191"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Meta AI is taking an increasing interest in Wikipedia</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p>Facebook AI Research has been organizing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_and_fact-checking" title="Wikipedia and fact-checking">Wikipedia and fact-checking</a> evaluation through its <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://verifier.sideeditor.com/">Side Editor</a> tool since <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Machine_Learning_Assisted_Wikipedia_Editing" class="extiw" title="meta:Research:Machine Learning Assisted Wikipedia Editing">registering their research on Meta-wiki</a> in January 2022. Now in July, Facebook <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/Fabio_Petroni/status/1546491825527164928">presents an update</a> and media including <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/11/meta-launches-sphere-an-ai-knowledge-tool-based-on-open-web-content-used-initially-to-verify-citations-on-wikipedia/">TechCrunch</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/13/meta-wikipedia-want-to-fight-misinformation-with-new-ai-tool-sphere.html">CNBC</a>, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.engadget.com/meta-wikipedia-citiation-ai-sphere-192511154.html">Engadget</a> report that their research may improve both fact-checking in Wikipedia and the broader media ecosystem. </p><p>To quote TechCrunch, Meta's AI knowledge tool is called "Sphere" and is – </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote" style="padding-top:1em; padding-bottom:1em;"><p>built around the concept of tapping the vast repository of information on the open web to provide a knowledge base for AI and other systems to work. Sphere's first application, Meta says, is Wikipedia, where it's being used in a production phase (not live entries) to automatically scan entries and identify when citations in its entries are strongly or weakly supported. </p></blockquote> <p>In the Wikipedia community Facebook group Wikipedia Weekly, a Wikimedia staffer on the Partnerships Team <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/posts/5217719778275811/?comment_id=5219994068048382">commented</a> that the Wikimedia Foundation and Facebook have had no collaboration on this project, and communicated that she had Facebook update their documentation to reflect this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/diff/20220711132250/20220712191025/https://tech.fb.com/artificial-intelligence/2022/07/how-ai-could-help-make-wikipedia-entries-more-accurate/">as can been seen</a> in Internet Archive's website update comparison tool. </p><p>Wikimedia and Facebook parent Meta do have an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1544699850960281601">acknowledged partnership</a> when it comes to translation. As communicated by Meta AI <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/metaai/status/1544730982837899265">on Twitter</a>, Wikipedia editors are using their technology to translate texts into underserved languages. A dedicated page on ai.facebook.com claims that it is "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://ai.facebook.com/research/no-language-left-behind/">translating Wikipedia for everyone</a>" with "No Language Left behind (NLLB)" and that Wikipedia editors are "using the technology to more efficiently translate and edit articles originating in other under-represented languages, such as Luganda and Icelandic." This Meta AI/Wikimedia partnership was reported this month by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/375324/meta-develops-ai-model-that-can-translate-200-lang.html"><i>MediaPost</i></a> and <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/06/facebooks_new_translation_ai_breaks/">The Register</a></i>. </p><p>The NLLB-200 model is open source, and there has been an <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Machine_Translation/NLLB-200" class="extiw" title="mw:Content translation/Machine Translation/NLLB-200">NLLB-200</a> page on MediaWiki since January 2022, originally referring to the project under its earlier name of "Flores". A <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/subhapa/status/1545079428610494468?fbclid=IwAR3N6jpfV6gO0o-6vQOnyw82UhhJyAOu3lIUMOPoT6-jezxkkf7AhpgY3R8">Twitter thread</a> from a long-time Wikimedian argues that </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote" style="padding-top:1em; padding-bottom:1em;"><p>This collaboration is exciting, helpful and problematic – all at the same time. </p></blockquote> <p>In the Wikimedia community it is customary that stakeholder engagement, consent, and public conversation about values are part of feature development. If such Wikimedia community engagement exists for these Facebook projects, then <i>The Signpost</i> has not identified where those conversations happened, and we call on readers to identify and document discussions and community collaborations to date. <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry">B</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466">AK</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Prime_minister_candidates_shouldn't_edit_their_Wikipedia_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prime_minister_candidates_shouldn't_edit_their_Wikipedia_articles-signpost-article-title"><span id="Prime_minister_candidates_shouldn.27t_edit_their_Wikipedia_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prime_minister_candidates_shouldn't_edit_their_Wikipedia_articles-signpost-article-title"></span>Prime minister candidates shouldn't edit their Wikipedia articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prime_minister_candidates_shouldn't_edit_their_Wikipedia_articles-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg/200px-Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg/300px-Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg/400px-Official_portrait_of_Rt_Hon_Grant_Shapps_MP_crop_3.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="1500"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage"><a href="/wiki/Grant_Shapps" title="Grant Shapps">Grant Shapps</a>' Wikipedia edits made a return to UK news media in the context of the <a href="/wiki/Tories" class="mw-redirect" title="Tories">Tories</a>' <a href="/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_leadership_election_(UK)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="2022 Conservative Party leadership election (UK)">search for a new Prime Minister</a></div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p><a href="/wiki/Grant_Shapps" title="Grant Shapps">Grant Shapps</a>, the UK's transport secretary, might seem to be the perfect successor to the fuzzy-headed UK Prime Minister <a href="/wiki/Boris_Johnson" title="Boris Johnson">Boris Johnson</a>, but he soon dropped out of <a href="/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_leadership_election_(UK)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="2022 Conservative Party leadership election (UK)">the race</a> after his past performances were replayed in the press. <a href="/wiki/Australian_Broadcasting_Corporation" title="Australian Broadcasting Corporation">Australian Broadcasting Corporation</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-11/boris-johnson-uk-prime-minister-conservative-party-candidates-/101226332">wrote</a> how Shapps used the pseudonym Michael Green while selling an online guide which "claimed customers could make $20,000 in 20 days". He's also been accused of deleting embarrassing material from the Wikipedia article about him and adding unflattering material about his political rivals. </p><p><i><a href="/wiki/Daily_Express" title="Daily Express">The Express</a></i> gave further details on Shapps's alleged Wikipedia editing in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1639955/grant-shapps-conservative-party-leadership-race-wikipedia-rishi-sunak-odds-spt">"Grant Shapps humiliation: Minister edited school grades on own Wikipedia page"</a> and reported that he had "pulled out of the race" for prime minister. </p><p>The race for the prime minister's office is now down to two candidates. Either <a href="/wiki/Liz_Truss" title="Liz Truss">Liz Truss</a> or <a href="/wiki/Rishi_Sunak" title="Rishi Sunak">Rishi Sunak</a> will be elected by <a href="/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)" title="Conservative Party (UK)">Conservative Party</a> members by mail-in or online ballots, with results to be reported in early September. </p><p>Johnson said earlier this year "It's like some person trying to edit their Wikipedia entry – it's wrong." See previous <i>Signpost</i> coverage <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-01-30/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-01-30/In the media">here</a>. <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">S</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Duchess_and_a_dirty_deed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Duchess_and_a_dirty_deed-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Duchess_and_a_dirty_deed-signpost-article-title"></span>Duchess and a dirty deed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Duchess_and_a_dirty_deed-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Tom_Bower" title="Tom Bower">Tom Bower</a>'s new book. <i>Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the war between the Windsors</i>, has revived discussion of an old accusation that <a href="/wiki/Meghan_Markle" class="mw-redirect" title="Meghan Markle">Meghan Markle</a>, now the Duchess of Sussex, had the Wikipedia article about her changed three weeks before the announcement of her engagement to <a href="/wiki/Prince_Harry" class="mw-redirect" title="Prince Harry">Prince Harry</a>. The accusations, first from <i><a href="/wiki/The_Telegraph_(UK)" class="mw-redirect" title="The Telegraph (UK)">The Telegraph</a></i> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/07/28/meghans-wikipedia-entry-altered-days-relationship-prince-harry/">paywalled)</a>, then from <i><a href="/wiki/Page_Six" class="mw-redirect" title="Page Six">Page Six</a></i>, linked to two edits on October 9, 2016 which eliminated material which made Markle look like a minor Hollywood starlet, and added or emphasized material on the public service aspect of her career that might make her more acceptable to the British royal family. </p><p><i><a href="/wiki/Marie_Claire" title="Marie Claire">Marie Claire</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/meghan-markle-changed-wikipedia-page-prince-harry-tom-bower/">has the best</a> of the new crop of articles on the matter and cites <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pagesix.com/2020/07/29/meghan-markles-wikipedia-was-altered-just-before-prince-harry-reveal/">Page Six</a></i>: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote" style="padding-top:1em; padding-bottom:1em;"><p><i><a href="/wiki/Page_Six" class="mw-redirect" title="Page Six">Page Six</a></i> reported in 2020 that the then-actress [ <a href="/wiki/Megan_Markle" class="mw-redirect" title="Megan Markle">Megan Markle</a>'s ] Wikipedia page had made the object of a bunch of changes in October 2016, before her months-old relationship with <a href="/wiki/Prince_Harry" class="mw-redirect" title="Prince Harry">[Prince] Harry</a> was revealed just weeks later. The outlet claimed that the IP address responsible for these changes was "linked to a Los Angeles PR firm with no known links to the duchess." </p></blockquote> <p>A <i>Signpost</i> investigation confirms the description of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=743496677&oldid=743300787&title=Meghan%2C_Duchess_of_Sussex&type=revision">the October 9 edits</a> and also notes that the editor's IP address currently <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/69.75.177.197">geolocates</a> to Shelter Public Relations in Los Angeles. They have not responded to a request for comment. Tom Bower however told <i>The Signpost</i> that he did not know whether Markle paid the PR company, or whether friends of hers were responsible for the edits, as <i>The Telegram</i> had speculated. More generally, he knows that many celebrities closely watch the articles about themselves. He even offered to name one of his acquaintances who closely monitored his article and removed offensive material. – <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a></span>, <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Sb</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Deletion_review_worse_than_canceling_cable" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_review_worse_than_canceling_cable-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_review_worse_than_canceling_cable-signpost-article-title"></span>Deletion review worse than canceling cable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_review_worse_than_canceling_cable-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>Complaints that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_Deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion">Articles for Deletion</a> is rigged against article subjects are only slightly more novel to most Wikipedians than indoor plumbing, but it's worth reading music historian <a href="/wiki/Ted_Gioia" title="Ted Gioia">Ted Gioia</a>'s blog post, "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tedgioia.substack.com/p/how-a-prominent-composer-lost-his">How a Prominent Composer Lost His Wikipedia Page—and Got Entangled in Kafkaesque Nightmare Trying to Get it Back</a>," if only to better understand how the deletion process comes across to outsiders. </p><p>Gioia makes a case for a page for Bruce Faulconer, best known for his music for <i><a href="/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z" title="Dragon Ball Z">Dragon Ball Z</a></i>, whose page was redirected to that title following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bruce_Faulconer" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Faulconer">a straightforward AfD</a> a few weeks ago that failed to find evidence of significant media coverage or other <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a> qualifiers. Gioia doesn't find any either, nor does he demonstrate understanding of notability on Wikipedia, instead citing "commissions from dozens of prominent institutions and individuals." From there, he asserts that "petty tyrants connected with the site have imposed their spurious opinions via the platform," citing the user-generated Q&A site <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Quora" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources">Quora</a>. </p><p>Gioia says he was referred to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">deletion review</a>, and he raises the reasonable point that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Steps_to_list_a_new_deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">instructions</a> for listing an entry there leave a lot to be desired, although he <a href="/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor" title="Hanlon's razor">mistakenly</a> interprets the complexity as deliberate, writing "This kind of system is clearly designed to intimidate and bully. It's even worse than trying to cancel cable service." </p><p>His last-ditch thought to contact the Wikimedia Foundation is preempted by a friend who's already heard that they have no control over content, which he similarly misinterprets as obfuscation. </p><p>As the author of 11 books, Gioia is presumably a reliable source on musicians. But if he wants Faulconer to have an article, he should probably write something about his music rather than about his deleted page. </p><p>Since then, <a href="/wiki/Bruce_Faulconer" title="Bruce Faulconer">Bruce Faulconer</a> has been reinstated and expanded. <span style="font-size:85%;">– <a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb">Sdkb</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="In_brief" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"></span>In brief<span data-mw-comment-end="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg/200px-GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="255" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg/300px-GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg/400px-GorillaWarfare_2022.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2448" data-file-height="3119"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Molly White was featured this month in <i><a href="/wiki/The_Guardian" title="The Guardian">The Guardian</a></i></div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <ul><li><b>Molly White and Galbraith</b>: <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/02/crypto-sceptic-molly-white-could-be-the-new-jk-galbraith-just-much-tougher">The Guardian</a></i> compares <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare">GorillaWarfare</a></span>'s <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web3isgoinggreat.com/">website</a> to <a href="/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith" title="John Kenneth Galbraith">John Kenneth Galbraith</a>'s <i><a href="/wiki/The_Great_Crash,_1929" title="The Great Crash, 1929">The Great Crash, 1929</a></i>. High praise indeed, especially when we may be in the midst of the great cryptocurrency crash, 2022.</li> <li><b>Hometown articles put to use</b> in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tjukanovt.github.io/notable-people">an interactive world map</a> that combines Wikipedia and Wikidata notability rankings to show the most notable person from any area. (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/29/23283701/wikipediate-notable-people-ranking-map-search-scroll-zoom"><i>The Verge</i></a>)</li> <li><b>"You are experiencing Wikipedia everywhere"</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2022/07/lecture-notes-role-of-wikipedia-in-making-info-accessible/">according to</a> <a href="/wiki/Andrew_Lih" title="Andrew Lih">Andrew Lih</a> at the <a href="/wiki/Chautauqua_Institution" title="Chautauqua Institution">Chautauqua Institution</a>.</li> <li><b>Legal scholar cites a Wikipedia page</b>: In <i><a href="/wiki/The_Volokh_Conspiracy" title="The Volokh Conspiracy">The Volokh Conspiracy</a></i>, a widely read legal blog, law prof <a href="/wiki/Josh_Blackman" title="Josh Blackman">Josh Blackman</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/27/the-judges-of-wisdom-and-the-mystical-aphorisms-of-the-fortune-cookie/">cites</a> <a href="/wiki/List_of_awards_and_honors_received_by_Sandra_Day_O%27Connor" title="List of awards and honors received by Sandra Day O'Connor">a Wikipedia page</a>. His writing demonstrates a sort of logic and a writing style that no student should ever imitate. The gist of his argument is that conservative Justices O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter, who supported the <a href="/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_v._Casey" title="Planned Parenthood v. Casey">1992 Casey</a> decision which affirmed <i><a href="/wiki/Roe_v._Wade" title="Roe v. Wade">Roe v. Wade</a></i>, won awards and praise. The Wikipedia page lists O'Connor's awards. This, according to Blackman, invalidates the argument of the dissenters in the recent <i><a href="/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization" title="Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization">Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization</a></i>, which overturned <i><a href="/wiki/Roe_v._Wade" title="Roe v. Wade">Roe v. Wade</a></i>. The recent dissenters had claimed that O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter would win no honors for "ideological purity".</li> <li><b><i>Business Standard</i> imagines the WMF has "massive bandwidth and hosting service costs"</b>: In fact, internet hosting accounts for <a class="external text" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/1/1e/Wikimedia_Foundation_FY2020-2021_Audit_Report.pdf#page=5">a little over 2% of WMF expenditure</a>. This was not the only clanger in <i><a href="/wiki/Business_Standard" title="Business Standard">Business Standard</a></i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'s</span> "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/wikipedia-s-business-model-why-the-website-often-appeals-for-funds-122062600786_1.html">Explained: Why Wikipedia often appeals for funds</a>" – it also said that "reports indicated that Google had agreed to pay for Wikipedia content." In fact, Google pays for a high-speed access API and the associated customer support and <a href="/wiki/Service-level_agreement" title="Service-level agreement">SLA</a> – the content is, after all, already freely licensed and the same content everybody else gets for free. Or, as WMF employee <a href="/wiki/User:LWyatt_(WMF)" title="User:LWyatt (WMF)">Liam Wyatt</a> put it, "the enterprise API is a bigger pipe but it's the same water."</li> <li><b>Wikipedia's list of "long-term abusers" reads like a roster of pathetic supervillains</b>: <i><a href="/wiki/Boing_Boing" title="Boing Boing">Boing Boing</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://boingboing.net/2022/07/22/wikipedias-list-of-long-term-abusers-reads-like-a-roster-of-pathetic-supervillains.html">only gives three examples</a> of "long-term abusers" but links to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse" title="Wikipedia:Long-term abuse">the Wikipedia page</a> which gives 163 "currently active" LTAs.</li> <li><b>COZIL's Pride Month editathon reflection</b>: Read about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.linguisticsociety.org/content/cozils-2nd-annual-pride-month-wikipedia-edit-thon">linguists improving Wikipedia</a>.</li> <li><b>Art+Feminism interview</b>: <a href="/wiki/Baltimore_(magazine)" title="Baltimore (magazine)"><i>Baltimore</i></a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/artsentertainment/gamechanger-kira-wisniewski-art-and-feminism/">reports</a> on Wikipedia contributor Kira Wisniewski and her involvement as Executive Director of Art+Feminism.</li> <li><b>Before there was Wikipedia, there was "the bench"</b>: For an entirely different view of Wikipedia's place in society, as well as different views of almost everything, try reading <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/20-years-the-bench/"><i>Dalmatian Wikipedia, The Bench</i></a>. 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To follow comments, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media&action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>.</span> If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"><div class="nomobile"></div> <ul><li>Nice picture of a gavel but they aren't used in Irish (or British) courts. Please don't reinforce the US view that judges have to have gavels. It's as wrong as using <a href="/wiki/File:Legal_wigs_today.jpg" title="File:Legal wigs today.jpg">File:Legal wigs today.jpg</a> to represent a judge in the US. <a href="/wiki/User:Nthep" title="User:Nthep">Nthep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nthep" title="User talk:Nthep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Nthep-20220801112300-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nthep-20220801112300-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nthep-20220801112300-Discuss_this_story"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPxG-20220801211900-Nthep-20220801112300"></span>Messed up but true -- I've removed the image. <b><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG">jp</a></b>×<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPxG" title="User talk:JPxG">g</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-JPxG-20220801211900-Nthep-20220801112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPxG-20220801211900-Nthep-20220801112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPxG-20220801211900-Nthep-20220801112300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayen466-20220802002500-JPxG-20220801211900"></span>Now replaced with an Irish statue of Justice. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466">Andreas</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayen466" title="User talk:Jayen466"><span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayen466" title="Special:Contributions/Jayen466">466</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Jayen466-20220802002500-JPxG-20220801211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayen466-20220802002500-JPxG-20220801211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayen466-20220802002500-JPxG-20220801211900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nthep-20220802133000-Jayen466-20220802002500"></span>Much better. <a href="/wiki/User:Nthep" title="User:Nthep">Nthep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nthep" title="User talk:Nthep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Nthep-20220802133000-Jayen466-20220802002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nthep-20220802133000-Jayen466-20220802002500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nthep-20220802133000-Jayen466-20220802002500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bilorv-20220801204500-Nthep-20220801112300"></span>The <i>San Francisco Examiner</i> asks a couple of questions that I'm still trying to find the answer to. Right there in the headline: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">What does the CEO who oversees Wikipedia do?</q> And another one: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Why does Wikipedia have banners on its website asking people to give money?</q> Smallbones' comment that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The 14 questions seem very basic</q> is accurate. Perhaps this is all Iskander is qualified to talk about. So far as I can see, she's got no significant history in any Wikimedia project. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <s>As for Tom Bower, it's quite weird that a professional <i>unauthorised</i> biographer had someone who <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">closely monitored his article and removed offensive material</q>. Someone needs to do the same for his largely fictional biography of <a href="/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn" title="Jeremy Corbyn">Jeremy Corbyn</a>. I guess he can dish it out but he can't take it.</s> — <a href="/wiki/User:Bilorv" title="User:Bilorv">Bilorv</a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bilorv" title="User talk:Bilorv"><span style="color:purple">talk</span></a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Bilorv-20220801204500-Nthep-20220801112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bilorv-20220801204500-Nthep-20220801112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bilorv-20220801204500-Nthep-20220801112300"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20220801220400-Bilorv-20220801204500"></span>I found my email exchange with Bower very strange, and I may pursue this further in <i>The Signpost</i> once I've done all the required due-diligence (e.g. BLP on 2 sides) and I'm comfortable publishing it. But it may be too big for me. I do think you misinterpreted my sentence there though, it should be something like "Bower knows a "Person A" who monitors Person A's Wikipedia article and removes material that is offensive to Person A." <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20220801220400-Bilorv-20220801204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20220801220400-Bilorv-20220801204500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20220801220400-Bilorv-20220801204500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bilorv-20220801235600-Smallbones-20220801220400"></span>Ah, I see. Yes, I have misinterpreted your sentence, and struck my comment accordingly. — <a href="/wiki/User:Bilorv" title="User:Bilorv">Bilorv</a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bilorv" title="User talk:Bilorv"><span style="color:purple">talk</span></a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Bilorv-20220801235600-Smallbones-20220801220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bilorv-20220801235600-Smallbones-20220801220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bilorv-20220801235600-Smallbones-20220801220400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20220801213100-Bilorv-20220801204500"></span>"Perhaps this is all Iskander is qualified to talk about. So far as I can see, she's got no significant history in any Wikimedia project." More likely this is all the interviewer was qualified to ask about. Wikipedia (and Wikimedia projects) are <i>notoriously</i> misunderstood by the general public, and unless an interview has been a member of the community themselves, all the questions they'll have will be very basic. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Headbomb-20220801213100-Bilorv-20220801204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20220801213100-Bilorv-20220801204500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20220801213100-Bilorv-20220801204500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dutchy45-20220802213500-Nthep-20220801112300"></span>I dived into the Dalmatian benches snippet, and while it was amusing enough on it's own, I fail to see why it is in the signpost. Connecting a bunch of old man discussing everything under the sun, to WP having articles about everything under the sun, is such an extreme overreach it's liable to lead to <a href="/wiki/Spaghettification" title="Spaghettification">Spaghettification</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dutchy45" title="User:Dutchy45">Dutchy45</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dutchy45" title="User talk:Dutchy45">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Dutchy45-20220802213500-Nthep-20220801112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 2 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dutchy45-20220802213500-Nthep-20220801112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dutchy45-20220802213500-Nthep-20220801112300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20220803025000-Dutchy45-20220802213500"></span>I'm to blame, of course. The first thing that attracted me was the title - there is no Dalmatian Wikipedia, Croatian yes, Dalmatian no. It took me awhile to get the under the sun analogy, but once I got it I saw the history of knowledge on a whole new timeline: bench=>library=>Wikipedia and started thinking of benches in small towns I knew as a kid. In short, I like this column to have something for everybody to stretch their minds, it's a good example of <a href="/wiki/Silly_season" title="Silly season">silly season</a>, and glad you liked it enough to comment. Yes, it was long on text and seemingly thin on facts - but actually there were tons of facts - just not the type of facts that you usually see. Enjoy your summer! <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20220803025000-Dutchy45-20220802213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20220803025000-Dutchy45-20220802213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20220803025000-Dutchy45-20220802213500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayen466-20220803080400-Smallbones-20220803025000"></span>For what it's worth, I really enjoyed reading that piece the other day. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> And there are indeed parallels to be drawn between Wikipedia and the Dalmatian benches (including the preponderance of men!).</dd> <dd>This may sound (or even be ...) trite, but I sometimes think of Wikipedia as a sort of public playground for adults. The attraction of the facilities available here is in some way comparable to that a shining climbing frame in a municipal park exerts on a passing kid – except that the "playbor" here is channelled in such a way as to produce something of value.</dd> <dd>A municipal bench is quite similar to a playground (the same goes for a other social media sites of course), and as the article argues, it too produces a reservoir of knowledge that is useful to the community.</dd> <dd>I am always struck by the way Wikipedia is a very multidimensional phenomenon, so I appreciated the analogy. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466">Andreas</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayen466" title="User talk:Jayen466"><span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayen466" title="Special:Contributions/Jayen466">466</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Jayen466-20220803080400-Smallbones-20220803025000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayen466-20220803080400-Smallbones-20220803025000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayen466-20220803080400-Smallbones-20220803025000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tube_of_Light-20220804041300-Nthep-20220801112300"></span>In short, Russia has nothing to gain from blocking Wikipedia.</i> Nyet. If Wikipedia is banned in Russia, then those Russians who oppose the invasion of Ukraine will lose another relatively independent source for information about the invasion. And that will make Russia's propaganda efforts more effective. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Tube_of_Light" title="User:Tube of Light">Tube</a>·<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tube_of_Light" title="User talk:Tube of Light">of</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light" title="Special:Contributions/Tube of Light">Light</a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Tube_of_Light-20220804041300-Nthep-20220801112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tube_of_Light-20220804041300-Nthep-20220801112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tube_of_Light-20220804041300-Nthep-20220801112300"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-20220805040800-Nthep-20220801112300"></span>Pretty misleading language re Grant Shapps - he was never a serious contender, and I don't remember seeing the Wikipedia stuff mentioned in the media at all (as opposed to by me to friends, again). <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-08-01/In_the_media#c-Johnbod-20220805040800-Nthep-20220801112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-20220805040800-Nthep-20220801112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-20220805040800-Nthep-20220801112300"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Llywrch-20220805215300-Nthep-20220801112300"></span>Re-reading this article, I notice PM Johnson is described as "fuzzy-headed". Is that a mistake for "fuzzy-<b>haired</b>"? Or is this a characteristic I haven't read about? 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