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Sections older than <b>365 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_III" title="User:ClueBot III">ClueBot III</a></span>.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236090951">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">See also: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Find_or_fix_a_stub" title="Wikipedia talk:Find or fix a stub">Wikipedia talk:Find or fix a stub</a> for older discussion.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?-20240115203300"><span id="Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?-20240115203300"></span>Upmerging stub type to regular stub type?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?-20240115203300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Stub&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Upmerging stub type to regular stub type?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzseicsoK-20240115203300-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?"></span>I've been working with a stub type that upmerges. There are about 120 stubs, and I thought of making it stand alone as a stub type that is a subcategory. Do I need to propose that somewhere and get permission/consensus? And is there anything I need to know beyond editing the template? <a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">Uporządnicki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzseicsoK" title="User talk:AzseicsoK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-AzseicsoK-20240115203300-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzseicsoK-20240115203300-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzseicsoK-20240115203300-Upmerging_stub_type_to_regular_stub_type?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20240115222000-AzseicsoK-20240115203300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">AzseicsoK</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WSS/P" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WSS/P">WP:WSS/P</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-Redrose64-20240115222000-AzseicsoK-20240115203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20240115222000-AzseicsoK-20240115203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20240115222000-AzseicsoK-20240115203300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzseicsoK-20240116021600-Redrose64-20240115222000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> Thank you. I THINK I see the answer there about permission/consensus (although it seems a bit ambiguous). And it's occurred to me, too, that what I need to do in addition to--indeed, BEFORE--editing the stub template is to create the stub category page. <a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">Uporządnicki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzseicsoK" title="User talk:AzseicsoK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-AzseicsoK-20240116021600-Redrose64-20240115222000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzseicsoK-20240116021600-Redrose64-20240115222000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzseicsoK-20240116021600-Redrose64-20240115222000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pegship-20240116043000-AzseicsoK-20240116021600"></span>As the template and cat were both approved back in November 2020, its creation isn't a problem, and the formatting looks fine. I'm just curious as to what part of the permission/consensus description seems ambiguous? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Pegship" title="User:Pegship">Her Pegship</a></b> <small>(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pegship" title="User talk:Pegship">?</a></b>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-Pegship-20240116043000-AzseicsoK-20240116021600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pegship-20240116043000-AzseicsoK-20240116021600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pegship-20240116043000-AzseicsoK-20240116021600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzseicsoK-20240116172300-Pegship-20240116043000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pegship" title="User:Pegship">Pegship</a>:</span> YOUR PEGSHIP! I'm delighted you chimed in. Since you helped me with some stub category matters before--more than once--I'd thought of asking you directly. But then I decided that wouldn't exactly be cricket.<br/></dd> <dd>It seems incredibly unlikely that you're talking about the situation I'm raising here; it would take copious research, and some VERY lucky guesswork for you to find that out. It's NOT the one you helped me set up a few years ago. I'll fill you in on the details on your talk page, but I'll answer your question about the ambiguity (at least to me) here.<br/></dd> <dd>There's a stub template that, right now, upmerges to a higher category stub. It's well on time to give that upmerged stub its own category. Here's the confusion. On the link <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">User:Redrose64</a> provided, it says:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>DO NOT place a proposal here for any stub type which has already been created and is being discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. The proposal page is only for stub types that have not yet been created, . . . </p></blockquote> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>But then, under the <b>Speedy Creation</b> heading, it says:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>A stub type may be proposed for "speedy creation" if it meets one of the following criteria: </p><ul><li>S1 - the creation of a category for which an approved upmerged template already exists and is now in use on more than 60 articles.</li></ul><p> List speedy creation proposals in the same proposal listings as normal stub proposals below.</p></blockquote> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>So, it looks to me as if I am supposed to propose it, as a Speedy Creation (it WILL need creation of a stub category PAGE). If that's correct, I'm wondering how I do that as a Speedy Creation. How do I mark it, and then how long do I wait? <a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">Uporządnicki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzseicsoK" title="User talk:AzseicsoK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-AzseicsoK-20240116172300-Pegship-20240116043000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzseicsoK-20240116172300-Pegship-20240116043000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzseicsoK-20240116172300-Pegship-20240116043000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzseicsoK-20240116173000-AzseicsoK-20240116172300"></span>Oh, now I think you're thinking about that Pyrausta moth we discussed on your talk page recently. No, I'm done with that, and I've moved on to Beetles. <a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">Uporządnicki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzseicsoK" title="User talk:AzseicsoK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-AzseicsoK-20240116173000-AzseicsoK-20240116172300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzseicsoK-20240116173000-AzseicsoK-20240116172300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzseicsoK-20240116173000-AzseicsoK-20240116172300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzseicsoK-20240119224000-AzseicsoK-20240116173000"></span>Maybe I talked too much about my questions; I got some comments, but no specific answers There's a stub category that, right now, upmerges to a parent category. I want to remove the upmerge, and have that stub category stand on its own. <ul><li>Do I need to propose that on the page for proposing stub categories?</li> <li>And if so, how do I mark it as Speedy? <a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">Uporządnicki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzseicsoK" title="User talk:AzseicsoK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-AzseicsoK-20240119224000-AzseicsoK-20240116173000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzseicsoK-20240119224000-AzseicsoK-20240116173000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzseicsoK-20240119224000-AzseicsoK-20240116173000"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20240120001400-AzseicsoK-20240119224000"></span>As you noted above, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WSS/P" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WSS/P">WP:WSS/P</a> says <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">List speedy creation proposals in the same proposal listings as normal stub proposals below</q>, so put it under the "NEW PROPOSALS" subheading. There is no special way of marking it as speedy, just mention it either in the heading or in the text. See for example: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2023/September#Turkish_airline_stubs" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2023/September">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2023/September#Turkish airline stubs</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2023/July#Yemen_geo_stubs" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2023/July">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2023/July#Yemen geo stubs</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/October#Gujranwala_District_geography_stubs" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/October">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/October#Gujranwala District geography stubs</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/May#More_speedy_cats" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/May">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/May#More speedy cats</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/March#Speedy_creation_cats" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/March">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/March#Speedy creation cats</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/February#French_dance_bio_stubs_(pt_2)" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/February">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/February#French dance bio stubs (pt 2)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/January#Speedy_creation_-_Danish_television_stubs" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/January">Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2022/January#Speedy creation - Danish television stubs</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-Redrose64-20240120001400-AzseicsoK-20240119224000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20240120001400-AzseicsoK-20240119224000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20240120001400-AzseicsoK-20240119224000"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzseicsoK-20240120014500-AzseicsoK-20240119224000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> Thank you. I was looking for an example, but not finding any. <a href="/wiki/User:AzseicsoK" title="User:AzseicsoK">Uporządnicki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzseicsoK" title="User talk:AzseicsoK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-AzseicsoK-20240120014500-AzseicsoK-20240119224000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzseicsoK-20240120014500-AzseicsoK-20240119224000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzseicsoK-20240120014500-AzseicsoK-20240119224000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Statistics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statistics-20240823040800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statistics-20240823040800"></span>Statistics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statistics-20240823040800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Stub&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Statistics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800-Statistics"></span>I've added some statistical information about typical stubs. See <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal/Average_articles#c-WhatamIdoing-20240818051500-WhatamIdoing-20240818044000" title="User talk:BilledMammal/Average articles">User talk:BilledMammal/Average articles#c-WhatamIdoing-20240818051500-WhatamIdoing-20240818044000</a> for some of the background. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800-Statistics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800-Statistics"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800-Statistics"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20240918032000-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800"></span>A couple of quick numbers: <ul><li>43% have 10 or fewer sentences</li> <li>41% have 250 or fewer words</li> <li>62% have 500 or fewer words</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-WhatamIdoing-20240918032000-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20240918032000-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20240918032000-WhatamIdoing-20240823040800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="stub_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-stub_articles-20240916140700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-stub_articles-20240916140700"></span>stub articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-stub_articles-20240916140700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Stub&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: stub articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gregorcollins-20240916140700-stub_articles"></span>I've added a fair amount of new info/sources to an article deemed a 'stub' - how do I know when to remove the stub tag? In my opinion it's worthy to be removed. If someone is responding to these, I can give them the article name and get your opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:Gregorcollins" title="User:Gregorcollins">Gregorcollins</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gregorcollins" title="User talk:Gregorcollins">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-Gregorcollins-20240916140700-stub_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gregorcollins-20240916140700-stub_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gregorcollins-20240916140700-stub_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Donald_Albury-20240917181400-Gregorcollins-20240916140700"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub#How_big_is_to_big?" title="Wikipedia:Stub">Wikipedia:Stub#How big is to big?</a> and then use your judgment. Like many of the "rules" in Wikipedia, that guidance is vague, and users have a lot of discretion in deciding when an article is no longer a stub. If it really is too long to be a stub, even if you don't remove the stub notice, someone (or a bot) may come along and remove it. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Donald_Albury" title="User talk:Donald Albury">Donald Albury</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub#c-Donald_Albury-20240917181400-Gregorcollins-20240916140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Donald_Albury-20240917181400-Gregorcollins-20240916140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Donald_Albury-20240917181400-Gregorcollins-20240916140700"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Stub&oldid=1255737138">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Stub&oldid=1255737138</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_Help_articles" title="Category:Project-Class Help articles">Project-Class Help articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Help_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Help articles">Mid-importance Help articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Help_Project_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia Help Project pages">Wikipedia Help Project pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_referenced_by_the_press" title="Category:Wikipedia pages referenced by the press">Wikipedia pages referenced by the press</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 6 November 2024, at 11:31<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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