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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_English_Language" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject English Language">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">English Language</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject English Language</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject English Language</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">English Language articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_English_Language_articles" title="Category:Low-importance English Language articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Low-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Importance_of_topic" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria">importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure." data-mw-thread-id="h-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure.-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure.-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z"></span>More than loan-words -- consider loaned grammatical structure.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure.-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: More than loan-words -- consider loaned grammatical structure."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Chastain-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure."></span>Moved back to: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Yinglish" title="Talk:Yinglish">Talk:Yinglish</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Chastain" title="User:Peter Chastain">Peter Chastain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Chastain" title="User talk:Peter Chastain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Peter_Chastain-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 23 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Chastain-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Chastain-2014-02-23T07:43:00.000Z-More_than_loan-words_--_consider_loaned_grammatical_structure."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z"></span>Schm prefix indicating dismissive annoyance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Schm prefix indicating dismissive annoyance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-220.253.117.120-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance"></span>Can any one say whether the American device which adds schm to a noun introduced by one speaker to indicate that the second speaker considers the matter trivial, and forewarning that they have a much more important subject to follow up with, is Yiddish, and if so what's the origin and is it covered in an article? Jack Roo <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/220.253.117.120" title="Special:Contributions/220.253.117.120">220.253.117.120</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:220.253.117.120&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:220.253.117.120 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 20:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</span> Reference on whether this is an American innovation If you google the process linguists from upenn, umich, ucsc, and others call <b>reshmuplication</b>, you will find that this is the article that answers your question: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://cambridge.academia.edu/BertVaux/Papers/136862/Metalinguistic_shmetalinguistic_The_phonology_of_shm-reduplication">http://cambridge.academia.edu/BertVaux/Papers/136862/Metalinguistic_shmetalinguistic_The_phonology_of_shm-reduplication</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.79.68.61" title="Special:Contributions/173.79.68.61">173.79.68.61</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:173.79.68.61&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:173.79.68.61 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 06:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)MichelleInSanMarcos <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shm-reduplication">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shm-reduplication</a> although there is enough use of the term reshmuplication , wikipedia does not include it here. <a href="/wiki/User:MichelleInSanMarcos" title="User:MichelleInSanMarcos">MichelleInSanMarcos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichelleInSanMarcos" title="User talk:MichelleInSanMarcos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-220.253.117.120-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a>MichelleInSanMarcos now logged in officially<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-220.253.117.120-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-220.253.117.120-2008-11-20T20:58:00.000Z-Schm_prefix_indicating_dismissive_annoyance"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Glitch" data-mw-thread-id="h-Glitch-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Glitch-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z"></span>Glitch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Glitch-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Glitch"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lexo-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z-Glitch"></span>I don't think that this word presents many difficulties for people who don't have Yiddish. It's become pretty common in non-Yiddish-speaking circles. <a href="/wiki/User:Lexo" title="User:Lexo">Lexo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lexo" title="User talk:Lexo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Lexo-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z-Glitch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lexo-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z-Glitch"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lexo-2008-11-23T00:13:00.000Z-Glitch"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Etymology_problems" data-mw-thread-id="h-Etymology_problems-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Etymology_problems-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z"></span>Etymology problems<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Etymology_problems-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Etymology problems"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobadler-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z-Etymology_problems"></span>Yiddish words are not derived from modern German, any more than modern German words are derived from Yiddish. Both come from Middle High German (MHG). So it's incorrect to say that "gezint" comes from the German "gesund." One could say that they're cognates. </p><p>Also, the Yiddish word "abi" is unrelated to the German word "aber." (German "aber" = Yiddish "ober," not "abi.") "Abi" is a Slavic word, cf. the Ukrainian "aby" (аби), which means "only." <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacobadler&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacobadler (page does not exist)">Jacobadler</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jacobadler&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jacobadler (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Jacobadler-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z-Etymology_problems" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobadler-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z-Etymology_problems"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobadler-2011-12-22T06:24:00.000Z-Etymology_problems"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Etymology_of_"Schlock"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Etymology_of_"Schlock"-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z"><span id="Etymology_of_.22Schlock.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Etymology_of_"Schlock"-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z"></span>Etymology of "Schlock"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Etymology_of_"Schlock"-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Etymology of "Schlock""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.61.199.179-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z-Etymology_of_"Schlock""></span>Though the term 'schlak' for stroke (German 'Schlaganfall') is etymologically related, I believe any Yiddish-speaking metalworker or jeweler will confirm that 'Schlock' derives from MHG 'Schlag' (modern German 'Schlacke'), to denote the use of slag or metallurgical dross as raw material, instead of what you're refining. Medieval Jewry wasn't permitted to own the woodlands or streamside sites a smith needed, but could remuneratively deal in the slag for use in glassmaking or jewelry - thus, Schlageter is probably a name of Yiddish origin. The derogatory meaning of 'Schlock' is therefore more closely related to incompetence in utilizing what a complicated process is meant to turn out than any psychological deficiency resulting from an inadvertent apoplexy. </p><p>EbtheDoc <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.61.199.179" title="Special:Contributions/24.61.199.179">24.61.199.179</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.61.199.179&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.61.199.179 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-24.61.199.179-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z-Etymology_of_"Schlock"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 3 May 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.61.199.179-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z-Etymology_of_"Schlock""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.61.199.179-2012-05-03T17:05:00.000Z-Etymology_of_"Schlock""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german" data-mw-thread-id="h-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z"></span>when words are identical in yiddish and german<span data-mw-comment-end="h-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: when words are identical in yiddish and german"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-95.208.187.120-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german"></span>how can it be clearl if those words (that are identical) came to english from yiddish and not for german, or from german and not from yiddish ? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/95.208.187.120" title="Special:Contributions/95.208.187.120">95.208.187.120</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:95.208.187.120&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:95.208.187.120 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-95.208.187.120-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-95.208.187.120-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-95.208.187.120-2013-04-16T17:07:00.000Z-when_words_are_identical_in_yiddish_and_german"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fraier_and_Shmeker" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fraier_and_Shmeker-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fraier_and_Shmeker-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z"></span>Fraier and Shmeker<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fraier_and_Shmeker-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Fraier and Shmeker"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fraier&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Fraier (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Error-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z-Fraier_and_Shmeker"></span>Fraier</a></i> and <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=%C8%98mecher&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Șmecher (page does not exist)">Șmecher</a></i> have entered <a href="/w/index.php?title=Romanian_slang&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Romanian slang (page does not exist)">Romanian slang</a>. Aren't they used in English? --<a href="/wiki/User:Error" title="User:Error">Error</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Error" title="User talk:Error">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Error-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z-Fraier_and_Shmeker" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 3 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Error-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z-Fraier_and_Shmeker"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Error-2013-09-03T23:04:00.000Z-Fraier_and_Shmeker"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_very_similar_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_very_similar_page-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_very_similar_page-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z"></span>A very similar page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_very_similar_page-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: A very similar page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z-A_very_similar_page"></span>There's another page on wikipedia with pretty much the same topic here: <a href="/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin" title="List of English words of Yiddish origin">List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin</a> Is there any difference? If not, the pages should be merged, but I may be missing something.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:King_Klear&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:King Klear (page does not exist)">King Klear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:King_Klear" title="User talk:King Klear">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z-A_very_similar_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z-A_very_similar_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z-A_very_similar_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2013-11-30T00:10:00.000Z-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z"></span>Good observation. I have not parsed these pages that carefully. But the hatnote makes the overlap clear, and we'll see what other editors have to say. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-7&6=thirteen-2013-11-30T00:10:00.000Z-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2013-11-30T00:10:00.000Z-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2013-11-30T00:10:00.000Z-King_Klear-2013-11-27T09:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere" data-mw-thread-id="h-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z"></span>American English vs English spoken elsewhere<span data-mw-comment-end="h-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: American English vs English spoken elsewhere"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LawraNelson-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere"></span>I wonder if it would be a useful addition to the article to specify that when speaking of the usage of Yiddish words in "English" that we are primarily speaking of English as spoken in the U.S., commonly referred to as "American English", as distinct from other places English is also spoken as a native language, e.g. the UK, Australia. I am a native speaker of American English and married to a native speaker of British English. My husband immigrated to the U.S. from London nineteen years and was not familiar with any Yiddish words that are commonly used in American English. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LawraNelson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LawraNelson (page does not exist)">LawraNelson</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LawraNelson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:LawraNelson (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-LawraNelson-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LawraNelson-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LawraNelson-2014-11-04T16:39:00.000Z-American_English_vs_English_spoken_elsewhere"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Transliteration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Transliteration-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Transliteration-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z"></span>Transliteration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Transliteration-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Transliteration"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z-Transliteration"></span>The article states that "As with Yiddish, Yinglish has no set transliteration standard." But Yiddish DOES have a transliteration standard, which was established by YIVO. Although slow to catch on, it is now becoming more popular, since most new Yiddish-speakers (except for Hasidim) learn Yiddish in college and university courses, where the YIVO standard is used. I would think this standard should be used in this article, if not everywhere in Wikipedia. If readers want to look up words in standard Yiddish reference works, they need the YIVO transliteration. The second edition of "The Joys of Yiddish" has a good discussion of this issue, and includes YIVO transliteration along with other transliterations that are common. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacobadlerarkansas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacobadlerarkansas (page does not exist)">Jacobadlerarkansas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobadlerarkansas" title="User talk:Jacobadlerarkansas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z-Transliteration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 15 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z-Transliteration"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-15T16:27:00.000Z-Transliteration"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z"><span id="Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Abi: Slavic or Germanic?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Abi: Slavic or Germanic?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?"></span>It's been suggested that the Yiddish word 'abi' may be Germanic, related to the word 'aber,' which means "but." This seems to me unlikely. The Yiddish counterpart of 'aber' is 'ober,' and in Yiddish (unlike German) the final 'r' sound is not omitted. So I don't see how one could get from 'ober' to 'abi'. Historians of Yiddish identify 'abi' as Slavic: See, for example, Benjamin Harshav, "The Meaning of Yiddish," p. 48; Max Weinreich, "History of the Yiddish Language," p. 527; Yaron Matras and Jeanette Sakel (eds.), "Grammatical Borrowing in Cross-Linguistic Perspective," p. 251. </p><p>If the person who suggested Germanic origins knows of any sources substantiating that view, perhaps s/he can cite them. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacobadlerarkansas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacobadlerarkansas (page does not exist)">Jacobadlerarkansas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobadlerarkansas" title="User talk:Jacobadlerarkansas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z-Abi:_Slavic_or_Germanic?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hertz1888-2016-07-01T01:01:00.000Z-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z"></span>It's unsourced, speculative and implausible, therefore easy to remove. I've done so. If a source is found (which I doubt) it can always be restored. <a href="/wiki/User:Hertz1888" title="User:Hertz1888">Hertz1888</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hertz1888" title="User talk:Hertz1888">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Hertz1888-2016-07-01T01:01:00.000Z-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hertz1888-2016-07-01T01:01:00.000Z-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hertz1888-2016-07-01T01:01:00.000Z-Jacobadlerarkansas-2016-06-30T23:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z"></span>List must be split or merged with <a href="/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin" title="List of English words of Yiddish origin">List of English words of Yiddish origin</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: List must be split or merged with List of English words of Yiddish origin"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin"></span>The list must be split into words entered mainstream English/Amerikish and these used by Jews as a matter of <a href="/wiki/Code_switching" class="mw-redirect" title="Code switching">code switching</a>, especially <a href="/wiki/Yeshivish" title="Yeshivish">Yeshivish</a>. This list heavily overlaps with <a href="/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin" title="List of English words of Yiddish origin">List of English words of Yiddish origin</a> and I am inclined to suggest megre the two articles. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Staszek_Lem" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Staszek Lem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z-List_must_be_split_or_merged_with_List_of_English_words_of_Yiddish_origin"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith-20230819182300-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. I’ll make a formal merge request if I have time. <a href="/wiki/User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith" title="User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith">HappyWith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith" title="User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith-20230819182300-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith-20230819182300-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith-20230819182300-Staszek_Lem-2019-10-17T17:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Orthographic/transliteration_consistency" data-mw-thread-id="h-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z"><span id="Orthographic.2Ftransliteration_consistency"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z"></span>Orthographic/transliteration consistency<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Orthographic/transliteration consistency"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency"></span>This article is inconsistent in its orthography where transliteration is concerned. While I acknowledge YIVO transliteration necessarily flattens dialectal variation in that it represents klal-shprakh, I propose re-transliterating this list such that it is a) internally consistent and b) consonant with YIVO transliteration orthography standards. <a href="/wiki/User:Newmila" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Newmila">newmila</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newmila" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Newmila">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 22 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z-Orthographic/transliteration_consistency"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reidgreg-2021-10-13T09:53:00.000Z-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z"></span>If this article is to be overhauled, involved editors might also bring it in line with <a href="/wiki/MOS:GLOSSARIES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:GLOSSARIES">MOS:GLOSSARIES</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Reidgreg" title="User:Reidgreg">Reidgreg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reidgreg" title="User talk:Reidgreg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Reidgreg-2021-10-13T09:53:00.000Z-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reidgreg-2021-10-13T09:53:00.000Z-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reidgreg-2021-10-13T09:53:00.000Z-Newmila-2021-02-22T01:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?-20220713121600"><span id="Include_a_reference_to_code-switching.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?-20220713121600"></span>Include a reference to code-switching?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?-20220713121600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Include a reference to code-switching?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Code-switching" title="Code-switching"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MichelleInSanMarcos-20220713121600-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?"></span>Code-switching</a> is when a speaker switches into a vocabulary of language that s/he assumes the listener will understand. Here is a reference specific to Yiddish <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/40605074">https://www.jstor.org/stable/40605074</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MichelleInSanMarcos" title="User:MichelleInSanMarcos">MichelleInSanMarcos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichelleInSanMarcos" title="User talk:MichelleInSanMarcos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-MichelleInSanMarcos-20220713121600-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MichelleInSanMarcos-20220713121600-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MichelleInSanMarcos-20220713121600-Include_a_reference_to_code-switching?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""ay_yi_yi"_etymology" data-mw-thread-id="h-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology-20231118221000"><span id=".22ay_yi_yi.22_etymology"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology-20231118221000"></span>"ay yi yi" etymology<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology-20231118221000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: "ay yi yi" etymology"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brassmonkey3212-20231118221000-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology"></span>There is evidence the phrase may have entered the English lexicon through <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language_in_the_Americas" title="Spanish language in the Americas">Latin Spanish</a>, instead of through the Yiddish "oy." </p><p>See: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://borderzine.com/2016/09/what-does-ay-ay-mean-in-spanish/">https://borderzine.com/2016/09/what-does-ay-ay-mean-in-spanish/</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://grammarhow.com/aye-yai-yai-spelling-meaning-origin/">https://grammarhow.com/aye-yai-yai-spelling-meaning-origin/</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/52790/where-did-phrase-aye-yai-yai-come">https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/52790/where-did-phrase-aye-yai-yai-come</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Brassmonkey3212" title="User:Brassmonkey3212">Brassmonkey3212</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brassmonkey3212" title="User talk:Brassmonkey3212">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-Brassmonkey3212-20231118221000-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brassmonkey3212-20231118221000-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brassmonkey3212-20231118221000-"ay_yi_yi"_etymology"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Used_in_English?_Really?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Used_in_English?_Really?-20240608011800"><span id="Used_in_English.3F_Really.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Used_in_English?_Really?-20240608011800"></span>Used in English? Really?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Used_in_English?_Really?-20240608011800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Used in English? Really?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TooManyFingers-20240608011800-Used_in_English?_Really?"></span>I speak English every day, I have never heard or spoken most of these words, and I couldn't remember what most of them mean. I think it would make sense in a list like this to require attestation of each word having been printed in several English publications that are not from Jewish authors, publishers, or neighborhoods, and that could not expect a considerable Jewish audience. </p><p>It seems to me that the most famous half-dozen or so words on the entire list are probably the only ones that belong. </p><p>Think of "all the English words that have ever been used by Yiddish speakers" compared with "English words commonly used in private Yiddish conversation". The lists are certainly not going to be the same. Going the other direction, Yiddish words in private English conversation, probably produces a lower number than that. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TooManyFingers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TooManyFingers (page does not exist)">TooManyFingers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TooManyFingers" title="User talk:TooManyFingers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-TooManyFingers-20240608011800-Used_in_English?_Really?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TooManyFingers-20240608011800-Used_in_English?_Really?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TooManyFingers-20240608011800-Used_in_English?_Really?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TooManyFingers-20240608014800-TooManyFingers-20240608011800"></span>Specifically recognizable: ay-ay-ay, bagel, chutzpah, dreck, farklemt, futz, gesundheit, kibitz, kitsch, klutz, kosher, kvetch, nebbish, nosh, oy, oy vey, schlep, schlock, schlong, schmaltz, schmo, schmooze, schnook, schpiel, schtick, tchotchke, zaftig.</dd> <dd>That's over two dozen, not half a dozen, so my estimate was way off, and of course I'm guessing anyway. Several of them I wouldn't use, but I believe they get used enough that they would often be recognized. (But probably half of the people I know would fail to define several of even these two dozen.)</dd> <dd>I left off the food words except one. Bagel has certainly become an English word, as bagels have been endlessly botched by people who don't even understand what a bagel is.</dd> <dd>What I'm trying to say is, I think my list of almost 30 words probably ought to be pretty much the only ones that get mentioned in the article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TooManyFingers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TooManyFingers (page does not exist)">TooManyFingers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TooManyFingers" title="User talk:TooManyFingers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English#c-TooManyFingers-20240608014800-TooManyFingers-20240608011800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TooManyFingers-20240608014800-TooManyFingers-20240608011800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TooManyFingers-20240608014800-TooManyFingers-20240608011800"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&oldid=1259006181">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yiddish_words_used_in_English&oldid=1259006181</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_Judaism_articles" title="Category:List-Class Judaism articles">List-Class Judaism articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Judaism_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Judaism articles">Low-importance Judaism articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:List-Class_English_Language_articles" title="Category:List-Class English Language articles">List-Class English Language articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_English_Language_articles" title="Category:Low-importance English Language articles">Low-importance English Language articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_English_Language_articles" title="Category:WikiProject English Language articles">WikiProject English Language articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 22 November 2024, at 21:38<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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