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class="mbox-text-span">The formatting of this page has been checked for following the <a href="/papri/proga:LMW_-_Lojbanic_MediaWiki" title="proga:LMW - Lojbanic MediaWiki">guidelines of le uitki</a>.<span class="hide-when-compact"></span><span class="hide-when-compact"></span></span></td></tr></tbody></table> </div><p>The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup> channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time. </p><div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Connecting_quickly"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Connecting quickly</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#Telegram"><span class="tocnumber">1.1</span> <span class="toctext">Telegram</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Mattermost"><span class="tocnumber">1.2</span> <span class="toctext">Mattermost</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Discord"><span class="tocnumber">1.3</span> <span class="toctext">Discord</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Direct_web_access"><span class="tocnumber">1.4</span> <span class="toctext">Direct web access</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Trickier_ways_of_connecting"><span class="tocnumber">1.5</span> <span class="toctext">Trickier ways of connecting</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Conduct"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Conduct</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#IRC_Bots"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">IRC Bots</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Rules"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Rules</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Logs"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Logs</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Discussion_Topics"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion Topics</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#References"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">References</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Connecting_quickly">Connecting quickly</span></h2> <p>To get connected to Lojban chat use any of the following methods (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter which method you use). </p><p>People involved in Lojban community usually read each day's backlog and will answer your questions within several hours and often even within minutes. </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Telegram">Telegram</span></h3> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:245px;"><img alt="Telegram logo.svg" src="/images/thumb/8/82/Telegram_logo.svg/243px-Telegram_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="243" height="70" class="thumbimage" srcset="/images/thumb/8/82/Telegram_logo.svg/365px-Telegram_logo.svg.png 1.5x, /images/thumb/8/82/Telegram_logo.svg/486px-Telegram_logo.svg.png 2x" /> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/papri/File:Telegram_logo.svg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div></div></div></div><p>Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016. </p><ol><li>Install the free <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://telegram.org">Telegram messenger</a> app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device</li> <li>by following this link: <span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://t.me/lojban">Lojban</a></span>.</li></ol> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Mattermost">Mattermost</span></h3> <p>Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018. </p><p>Signup via <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw">Framateam's server</a>. </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Discord">Discord</span></h3> <p>The chat is also connected to a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR">Discord server</a>. </p> <ol><li>Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.</li> <li>Freely chat about anything to like-minded Lojbanists in the #jboselbau channel.</li></ol> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Direct_web_access">Direct web access</span></h3> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:213px;"><img alt="IRC logo.svg" src="/images/thumb/d/d7/IRC_logo.svg/211px-IRC_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="211" height="70" class="thumbimage" srcset="/images/thumb/d/d7/IRC_logo.svg/316px-IRC_logo.svg.png 1.5x, /images/thumb/d/d7/IRC_logo.svg/422px-IRC_logo.svg.png 2x" /> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/papri/File:IRC_logo.svg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div></div></div></div><p>Using this method you will be able to see messages that are sent only while you are connected. </p><ol><li>Navigate to <span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.libera.chat/#lojban,#ckule,#jbosnu">the web-based IRC client (Kiwi)</a></span>, choose a nickname you want yourself to be known as, and click "Start". Easy!</li> <li>Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.</li> <li>Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.</li></ol> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Trickier_ways_of_connecting">Trickier ways of connecting</span></h3> <p>This is for geeks. If you have an IRC application installed use the following information: </p> <ul><li>The Lojban IRC channel is on the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://libera.chat">Libera IRC network</a>. Use <b>irc.libera.chat</b> for the server, port <b>6667</b> (or 6679 for an SSL-encrypted connection). Registering with NickServ is recommended.</li> <li>The three channels are used: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="irc://irc.libera.chat/lojban">#lojban</a> for basic discussions in any language,</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="irc://irc.libera.chat/ckule">#ckule</a> for questions from new learners in any language,</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="irc://irc.libera.chat/jbosnu">#jbosnu</a> for discussions in Lojban only,</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="irc://irc.libera.chat/proga">#proga</a> for lojban-related software development (such as parsers).</li></ul></li></ul> <p>It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html">IRC Frequently Asked Questions</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html">The IRC Prelude</a>. </p><p>You may also use <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://irssi.org/">irssi command line app</a> on your server to keep the whole log of chat activity. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Conduct">Conduct</span></h2> <p>There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but since they live in different timezones most of the time, they'll be idle. Say <b>coi</b>, hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board. </p><p>You might also have a look at the <a href="/papri/IRC_cheat_sheet" title="IRC cheat sheet">IRC cheat sheet</a>, which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="IRC_Bots"><a href="/papri/IRC_Bots" title="IRC Bots">IRC Bots</a></span></h2> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Rules">Rules</span></h2> <p>Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Logs">Logs</span></h2> <p>There are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lojban.org/irclogs/">public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel</a><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup>. </p><p>The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the <a href="/papri/LLG" class="mw-redirect" title="LLG">LLG</a> explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the <a href="/papri/LLG" class="mw-redirect" title="LLG">LLG</a>. </p><p>Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Discussion_Topics">Discussion Topics</span></h2> <p>A list of interesting discussion topics, about the nature of the language, is being actively maintained and <a href="/papri/jboske_discussion" title="jboske discussion">copied</a> into this wiki. They often include specific terminology. 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